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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Lisbon Libel Trial Daily Reports and Judgements => Topic started by: John on September 20, 2013, 02:17:31 PM

Title: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3 and 4
Post by: John on September 20, 2013, 02:17:31 PM
The Reports from yesterdays sitting will be posted as soon as they are proof read and double checked by their author whom as you all know is at the Court yet again today. TY
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: Lyall on September 20, 2013, 02:32:37 PM
Thanks Boss 8((()*/
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: Sandy on September 20, 2013, 03:50:42 PM
Anti-McCann' websites plotted to kidnap one of Madeleine's siblings 'to find out what they knew about her disappearance', court hears

    Friend of the McCanns found examples of forum members encouraging kidnap so one of the twins could 'throw some light on the matter'
    Police chief claimed the McCanns hid their daughter's body after her death
    Evidence heard in Lisbon during £1million libel case against Goncalo Amaral


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2426813/Anti-McCann-kate-madeleine-websites-plotted-kidnap-siblings-knew-disappearance-court-hears.html#ixzz2fRZZC5fV
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You know what they say    NO SPIN  NO WIN    @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: Lyall on September 20, 2013, 04:00:20 PM
Plot was taken so seriously there's no mention of it in their book >@@(*&)
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: icabodcrane on September 20, 2013, 05:17:29 PM

    Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 1m

    Michael Wright, who monitored web traffic on Madeleine for her parents, claimed Mr Amaral demanded 80,000 Euro for a TV interview #McCann
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    Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 3m

    #McCann pal Michael Wright says Goncalo Amaral's book's claim the couple covered up Madeleine's death incited internet bigots
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    Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 6m

    Kidnap plot was discussed in internet forum and taken so seriously police were called in, family friend says #McCann
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    Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 7m

    Internet trolls plotted to kidnap one of Madeleine McCann's siblings to get them to reveal what happened to her, libel trial hears #McCann

Are these  'live'  tweets from the court  ?

It's just I don't understand how a full report can already be available on the mailonline  at the same time   >@@(*&)
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: Angelo222 on September 20, 2013, 05:52:39 PM
Are these  'live'  tweets from the court  ?

It's just I don't understand how a full report can already be available on the mailonline  at the same time   >@@(*&)

Its only a summary Ica, the juicy bits and enough to convince their editor that it was worth their while sending them to Lisbon in the first place.  Take out the numerous stock photos and there isn't much left frankly of any substance.

It must be costing a packet to keep sending them out for two days every week no wonder most of them are plagiarising our reports.   @)(++(*
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: icabodcrane on September 20, 2013, 06:05:52 PM
Its only a summary Ica, the juicy bits and enough to convince their editor that it was worth their while sending them to Lisbon in the first place.  Take out the numerous stock photos and there isn't much left frankly of any substance.

It must be costing a packet to keep sending them out for two days every week no wonder most of them are plagiarising our reports.   @)(++(*

I know Angelo

It's pretty remarkable that we are THE  primary source of information  !

Nowhere  ...  not on the net ...  not in the media  ...  it this case being covered in the detailed way we have achieved

Big well done to everyone concerned   8@??)(
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: Angelo222 on September 20, 2013, 06:15:52 PM
If the personal attacks and unwarranted criticisms on Anne from certain quarters are anything to go by it appears that the storm clouds are gathering over camp McCann.
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: AnneGuedes on September 20, 2013, 07:42:23 PM
Its only a summary Ica, the juicy bits and enough to convince their editor that it was worth their while sending them to Lisbon in the first place.  Take out the numerous stock photos and there isn't much left frankly of any substance.

It must be costing a packet to keep sending them out for two days every week no wonder most of them are plagiarising our reports.   @)(++(*
I'm back ! Apart from the BBC lady (resident in Lisbon) and, to-day a Correio da Manha girl (with photographer), there were only two UK journalists, the Sun guy who's there everyday with photographer and a guy who works for 4 newspapers... Both of them hired a British/Portuguese translator who has been contracted by other papers as well. She wrote the article for the Telegraph yesterday and was amazed by the transformations it had suffered.
I'm expecting the Pike's report to give it a last look.
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: Redblossom on September 20, 2013, 08:11:01 PM

You know what they say    NO SPIN  NO WIN    @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
8((()*/


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10323929/Gerry-McCann-contacted-police-after-abduction-threat-to-twins.html

How on earth they can accuse or even prove Mr Amaral was responsible for this or any other nutters posts on the www is beyond me..even if the story is true how can they prove said nutter was inspired by Amarals book and not just his own opinions beliefs made up well before amarals book??? Theyve stopped short, just, of accusing Amaral of directly inciting criminal activity...wise........scraping barrel and dirty tricks come to mind, stories like this shouldnt be dignified by any comment, hard as it may be, the mccanns are claiming damages of 250k for each family member, that the Portuguese books contents even though translated into English on the www  back in 2009 and not read by general public, may have gotten to be heard by their children somehow in their school playground and potentially caused them upset, how do they square that with ENGLISH newspapers plastering on their front pages these last few days...Maddies Mum Suicidal, Kids Threatened to be Kidnapped.....they had the chance, and whilst knowing all this would come out in the press, to keep it in camera, but fought this,so wanting all the details of the case to come out, now how many kids in school will be talking about all this??news will have been like a rat up a drainpipe...kids that age gossip and talk. Who is risking psychological damage? instilling fear and trepidation into young minds?Extremely bizarre hypocritical and nonsensical IMO...the judge in his wisdom should chuck all this desperate pushing luck rubbish out

PS Anne, thank you for your ongoing tireless work
 8((()*/
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: AnneGuedes on September 20, 2013, 09:03:03 PM
Clare Carter doesn't exist or wasn't in Lisbon.
It's amazing how they extract a few elements and spin them. You vaguely recognise parts of what you heard, but certainly not the feeling you had when you were listening. Mr Wright's attempts to blame Mr Amaral were more betrayed by his seizing any opportunity to insinuate this or that than by categorical assessments.
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: Jacinta on September 20, 2013, 09:54:40 PM
Hello Anne, I joined today because I wanted to say a personal huge thank you to you for bringing the news to us from inside the courts. Without your efforts I don't think we'd know half of what was said let alone anything from the cross-examinations.

Thank you so much  8@??)(

Jaci xx
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: icabodcrane on September 20, 2013, 10:01:27 PM
Hello Anne, I joined today because I wanted to say a personal huge thank you to you for bringing the news to us from inside the courts. Without your efforts I don't think we'd know half of what was said let alone anything from the cross-examinations.

Thank you so much  8@??)(

Jaci xx

aww,  that's nice of you Jaci

welcome to the forum 
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: icabodcrane on September 20, 2013, 11:11:06 PM
I don't think I can manage another late night  ...   any chance of yesterday's court report being posted some time soon   ? 
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: John on September 20, 2013, 11:36:10 PM
I don't think I can manage another late night  ...   any chance of yesterday's court report being posted some time soon   ?

Hi Icabodcrane, its quite a long and complicated one but should be posting it shortly.  8((()*/
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: icabodcrane on September 20, 2013, 11:43:21 PM
Hi Icabodcrane, its quite a long and complicated one but should be posting it shortly.  8((()*/

Excellent

Thanks for all your efforts John  (  and Anne's,  of course  ) 
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: AnneGuedes on September 21, 2013, 12:37:23 AM
I sent the Alan Pike report now. It's pretty late. I did my best, sorry but I had to read my notes again to make sure I made no mistake.
Thank you Jacinta. This forum is good, full of people who think against you, forcing you to extreme rigour !
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: Lyall on September 21, 2013, 12:47:16 AM
Thanks Anne 8(>((
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: Redblossom on September 21, 2013, 12:50:39 AM
My thanks to you Anne too before bedtime
priceless
 8((()*/


Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: icabodcrane on September 21, 2013, 12:54:18 AM
I sent the Alan Pike report now. It's pretty late. I did my best, sorry but I had to read my notes again to make sure I made no mistake.
Thank you Jacinta. This forum is good, full of people who think against you, forcing you to extreme rigour !

How marvellous you are Anne  ...  in court all day again today,  then working on your notes until after midnight  !

I hope you realise just how much you are appreciated   8@??)(
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: AnneGuedes on September 21, 2013, 01:51:20 AM
I don't know how to thank you for being so grateful.
There are boring part when they dictate their request one after the other in the terrible juridical language. That's when the journalists leave the court room and start writing their articles on their laptop. They're pretty busy, the one who works for 4 newspapers was next to me this morning and I saw him take notes, it seems he has some skill in Spanish because he was taking some notes in Portuguese !
The lawyers take notes, the judge too (a "well made head" as Montaigne would say). But they only take note of matter on which they will react.
According to what I understood the evidence gathered through testimonies will be analysed by the court and sorted out (all lines are defined and Isabel Duarte announces in the beginning which lines she will ask the witness to give evidence on). What's off topic will not be considered.
Marinho Pinto, the bastonário (head of the bar association), was supposed to testify to-day. He didn't appear.
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3 and 4
Post by: John on September 21, 2013, 02:16:08 AM
Sorry for the delay in posting the first of yesterdays evidence Reports but as they are quite detailed I have sent it back to Portugal for a further revision check.  Will post the first one around breakfast time (UK)

ps Grand Theft Auto V sucks  (http://images.zaazu.com/img/waiting-bored-waiting-boy-smiley-emoticon-000413-medium.gif)
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3 and 4
Post by: John on September 21, 2013, 02:30:45 AM
Great news, change of plan, the Report is back thanks to Anne so just about to post it.  8((()*/
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3
Post by: Jacinta on September 21, 2013, 11:18:27 PM
aww,  that's nice of you Jaci

welcome to the forum
Thank you Icabodcrane  ?{)(**
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3 and 4
Post by: Meadow on September 22, 2013, 08:12:32 PM
Thank you for the translation and court updates.

I have followed the case of the disappearance of Madeleine.  For all the song and dance routines of this case throughout the six years, here before  you are the true followers of the case, who merely discuss the FACTS, provide information.

No one incited riots or did dirty tricks.  Merely collated information, rather in the same way this forum UK Justice does. And anyone wanting valued information, including full translations of the closed file, are freely available, thanks to the dedicated people who have fought long and hard to discover Madeleine's whereabouts whether alive or dead.

It was others that gave ''us'' a bad name, made us out to be fools and heretics ..... for no other reason than seeking closure and resolve of what happened to Madeleine McCann age 4.
Title: Re: McCann v Gonçalo Amaral Libel Trial trial in Lisbon - Day 3 and 4
Post by: AnneGuedes on September 22, 2013, 09:43:22 PM
Thank you for the translation and court updates.

I have followed the case of the disappearance of Madeleine.  For all the song and dance routines of this case throughout the six years, here before  you are the true followers of the case, who merely discuss the FACTS, provide information.

No one incited riots or did dirty tricks.  Merely collated information, rather in the same way this forum UK Justice does. And anyone wanting valued information, including full translations of the closed file, are freely available, thanks to the dedicated people who have fought long and hard to discover Madeleine's whereabouts whether alive or dead.

It was others that gave ''us'' a bad name, made us out to be fools and heretics ..... for no other reason than seeking closure and resolve of what happened to Madeleine McCann age 4.
I'm so glad to hear from you, Meadow ! If I'm on this forum, it's thanks to you.. Well actually also thanks to Frencheuropean who told me where you were. As soon as I found you, finally after months and months wondering where you were, you disappeared... And I almost did the same, I thought I had no courage to resist to some posters' insults, I thought I wasn't born to hear that. But, and this was essential, I never felt alone and I learnt to appreciate counteropinions (?), up to a certain point, the bad faith one. I'm finishing reporting Mr Wright.