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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on October 10, 2013, 12:35:46 PM
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Call me cynical if you want but are the latest moves by Scotland Yard in some way connected with the ongoing libel trial being undertaking in Lisbon? The total absence of British Press at the Palace of Justice on Tuesday this week was very noticeable as was the decision by the plaintiffs and their lead lawyer to boycott the proceedings.
Does anyone think that these events will have some bearing on the much talked about Anglo Portuguese cooperation we keep hearing about in the British Press?
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/15/article-0-05F9243F000005DC-237_468x286.jpg)
McCann spokesman Clarence Mitchell and their PI Dave Edgar hold up a copy of a previous e-fit.
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Call me cynical if you want but are the latest moves by Scotland Yard in some way connected with the ongoing libel trial being undertaking in Lisbon? The total absence of British Press at the Palace of Justice on Tuesday this week was very noticeable as was the decision by the plaintiffs and their lead lawyer to boycott the proceedings.
Does anyone think that these events will have some bearing on the much talked about Anglo Portuguese cooperation we keep hear about in the British Press?
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YES. IT issssssss.
There never was an Anglo-Portuguese cooperation, on this matter or in any other one. Only many stupid Portuguese-Anglo cooperations.....
P.S. But to be fair, I don't believe the SY has anything to do with this last decision to go ahead with another TV documentary (at least I prefer to believe they do not have, that would be too grave). I think this is all PR under Mr & Mrs, possibly with the help of the recently muted Brighton Tory candidate, His Almighty Mitchel, or/and some more common pagans.
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I vote No and No, but much of the press hype undoubtedly is linked to what appears to be an imminent PR setback for the couple in Portugal. It's their friends in the press though, not UK police. Portuguese and UK police do seem to respect each other, and always did (as far as I know). Surely everyone in Portugal, including their judiciary, knows the hype in London is just the press? And maybe the BBC (we'll see on Monday).
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Think I read somewhere the crimewatch programme was filmed months ago?
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I vote No and No, but much of the press hype undoubtedly is linked to what appears to be an imminent PR setback for the couple in Portugal. It's their friends in the press though, not UK police. Portuguese and UK police do seem to respect each other, and always did (as far as I know). Surely everyone in Portugal, including their judiciary, knows the hype in London is just the press? And maybe the BBC (we'll see on Monday).
You have no vote, shuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ?{)(**
P.S. Of course I agree with you.
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I have a solemn protest to make: we need more smileys here.
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I'm looking forward to seeing how the verdict is handled.
Won't really matter how its done, of course, because there will be plenty of people posting the truth on social media sites and elsewhere on the internet.
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You have no vote, shuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ?{)(**
P.S. Of course I agree with you.
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I have a solemn protest to make: we need more smileys here.
Thanks Luz. More smileys? I'd vote Yes for that ?>)()<
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I'll try
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The media were asked for restraint....and obviously ignored that request from the Metropolitan police.
Apart from giving [ censored word] fodder to chew on instead of carpets. It has put Madeleine in the public eye big time and hopefully means people who don't normally watch Crimewatch - will do so.
Also being show in Europe will be a plus.
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The media were asked for restraint....and obviously ignored that request from the Metropolitan police.
Apart from giving [ censored word] fodder to chew on instead of carpets. It has put Madeleine in the public eye big time and hopefully means people who don't normally watch Crimewatch - will do so.
Also being show in Europe will be a plus.
I wonder who leaked the information to the media?
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I vote No and No, but much of the press hype undoubtedly is linked to what appears to be an imminent PR setback for the couple in Portugal. It's their friends in the press though, not UK police. Portuguese and UK police do seem to respect each other, and always did (as far as I know). Surely everyone in Portugal, including their judiciary, knows the hype in London is just the press? And maybe the BBC (we'll see on Monday).
The BBC lady (came late but came) and the multijournalist Jerry Lawton were there on Tuesday, but there was no photograph and no AFP guy.
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Think I read somewhere the crimewatch programme was filmed months ago?
I bet they'll leave the twins watch the abduction of their sister. Why should they doubt after that ? Isn't what passes on TV the reality ?
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I bet they'll leave the twins watch the abduction of their sister. Why should they doubt after that ? Isn't what passes on TV the reality ?
They didnt protect them from the media and its effect by refusing to have the case held in camera......their schoolfriends according to auntie trish were talking about it!!!
The mccanns wanting this in the media has backfired not only on them but on theirselves
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They didnt protect them from the media and its effect by refusing to have the case held in camera......their schoolfriends according to auntie trish were talking about it!!!
The mccanns wanting this in the media has backfired not only on them but on theirselves
Yes, but Crimewatch surges like a savior. They filmed an abduction, the little friends will have no other word than the only orthodox one.
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Yes, but Crimewatch surges like a savior. They filmed an abduction, the little friends will have no other word than the only orthodox one.
Hopefully for their sakes.....thing is how can crimewatch reconstruct an abduction...when no one knows if it happened lol
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The media were asked for restraint....and obviously ignored that request from the Metropolitan police.
Apart from giving [ censored word] fodder to chew on instead of carpets. It has put Madeleine in the public eye big time and hopefully means people who don't normally watch Crimewatch - will do so.
Also being show in Europe will be a plus.
It's really positive news that Crimewatch is being shown in Europe Ben. You never know there may just be German/Dutch holidaymakers who could bring forth new info. Got my fingers crossed.
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thing is how can crimewatch reconstruct an abduction...when no one knows if it happened lol
They build it, very simple. I'm curious to see how the virtual abductor will combine both faceless and gerrylookalike (without forgetting the buttons on the pants..)
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They build it, very simple. I'm curious to see how the virtual abductor will combine both faceless and gerrylookalike (without forgetting the buttons on the pants..)
Les boutons n'importe quoi, Anne! <the buttons mean nothing>
Also looking forward to Crimewatch and any new information that it may bring in the search for Madeleine.
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Sure, great expectations. In April/May, less than 2% are German and Dutch tourists because of the strong affluence of British. They, as many Scandinavians, tend to go to the interior or the north.
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They build it, very simple. I'm curious to see how the virtual abductor will combine both faceless and gerrylookalike (without forgetting the buttons on the pants..)
Yes the mccanns think the smiths saw the tanner man.....be interestng to see the e fit and it it looks like black glossy bob haired man also if it looks like cooperman george harrison who tanner said looked 80% like the man she saw even if she NEVER saw his face and also missed his massive handlebar moustache but noticed there was no creases in his trousers dear god!!!
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I just bet that Crimewatch will be the biggest fiasco of Beeb.
If I had any hope that it would make a difference I would support it with all my heart, but by the way it has been announced I suspect it is a sort of long Nancy Grace full of ---t kind of thing.
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I just bet that Crimewatch will be the biggest fiasco of Beeb.
If I had any hope that it would make a difference I would support it with all my heart, but by the way it has been announced I suspect it is a sort of long Nancy Grace full of ---t kind of thing.
Probably going in the mets record in this case.....sad
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Yes the mccanns think the smiths saw the tanner man.....be interestng to see the e fit and it it looks like black glossy bob haired man also if it looks like cooperman george harrison who tanner said looked 80% like the man she saw even if she NEVER saw his face and also missed his massive handlebar moustache but noticed there was no creases in his trousers dear god!!!
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good to see it is keeping you entertained.
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Probably going in the mets record in this case.....sad
Nooooooooooooo, do you think so?! 8(8-))
Nah! I don't want to believe the guys that Sherlock Holmes helped so much would dishoner themselves.
No way 8(>((
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good to see it is keeping you entertained.
well address the points made and facts then
Yes i am entertained by lies and liars.....that is their game...whats yours? Oh hang on.....right go and address the points I made, but we all can see u are not here for THAT or anything near it, sorry forgot to welcome you...welcome
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well address the points made and facts then
Yes i am entertained by lies and liars.....that is their game...whats yours? Oh hang on.....
I don't think the release of information by SY is related to the libel trial in Lisbon.
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Nooooooooooooo, do you think so?! 8(8-))
Nah! I don't want to believe the guys that Sherlock Holmes helped so much would dishoner themselves.
No way 8(>((
Well luz to be honest Ive been in two minds about this review/investigation....sham or real thing...I cant make my mind up really yet....if I had to make a bet...still. Wouldnt gamble...lets wait
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good to see it is keeping you entertained.
I take the point you were making on your thread totally, imustpointout, laughing at the case.
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one has to laugh at clowns
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one has to laugh at clowns
Who would they be then?
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Who would they be then?
The clowns obviously... Or doyou also disapprove of laughter LOL
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The clowns obviously... Or doyou also disapprove of laughter LOL
I disapprove of laughter at a missing child, yes. Don't you?
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By the way....................which clowns?
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I disapprove of laughter at a missing child, yes. Don't you?
As i said before in case you missed it NO ONE LAUGHS AT THE FACT THAT A CHILD WENT MISSING...now stop your sanctimonious claptrap wont you..as for clowns there are sooooo many around take your pick!!!!
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Does any soul believe that Scotland Yard is going to release any information on that -------Crimewatch?
They haven't released anything for almost 5 years, they simply kept the population cooled off over the millions they are spending with no results with tidy bits of nothing that the journos enlarged and twisted at will.
The Scotland Yard is still negotiating with Portugal for tidy bits of extra information from the files. They have sent rogatories, all regarding portuguese people, but none implied questioning those persons. SY is just trailing its tail.
I'm sorry to say, for those that expected very much from this Circus TV that is being announced. This is just another request for donations for the endless fruitless Fund.
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As i said before in case you missed it NO ONE LAUGHS AT THE FACT THAT A CHILD WENT MISSING...now stop your sanctimonious claptrap wont you..as for clowns there are sooooo many around take your pick!!!!
Sanctimonious claptrap? That's a variation on irrelevant, anyway! You were laughing, by the way, a few posts back, over the details of what might have happened.
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Does any soul believe that Scotland Yard is going to release any information on that -------Crimewatch?
They haven't released anything for almost 5 years, they simply kept the population cooled off over the millions they are spending with no results with tidy bits of nothing that the journos enlarged and twisted at will.
The Scotland Yard is still negotiating with Portugal for tidy bits of extra information from the files. They have sent rogatories, all regarding portuguese people, but none implied questioning those persons. SY is just trailing its tail.
I'm sorry to say, for those that expected very much from this Circus TV that is being announced. This is just another request for donations for the endless fruitless Fund.
You seem to be implying that both the BBC and Scotland Yard are operating at the will of the McCanns. Do you really expect to be taken seriously if you post that kind of conspiracy theory? What next, links to Diana?
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You seem to be implying that both the BBC and Scotland Yard are operating at the will of the McCanns. Do you really expect to be taken seriously if you post that kind of conspiracy theory? What next, links to Diana?
I don't want to insult your intelligence.
Scotland Yard is a flailed agency that in the last years has had more failures than success. They just hold to a millionaire budget to do nothing.
BBC is the joke of the European, or the world national TV broadcasting companies. They have made so many errors, that this one is just another one.
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Sanctimonious claptrap? That's a variation on irrelevant, anyway! You were laughing, by the way, a few posts back, over the details of what might have happened.
Grow up
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I don't want to insult your intelligence.
Scotland Yard is a flailed agency that in the last years has had more failures than success. They just hold to a millionaire budget to do nothing.
BBC is the joke of the European, or the world national TV broadcasting companies. They have made so many errors, that this one is just another one.
Really? What do the PJ do then? Find missing children? Torture suspects?
Would you care to provide your evidence about the BBc?
Also would you explain how the all powerful Mccanns are manipulating it?
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Does any soul believe that Scotland Yard is going to release any information on that -------Crimewatch?
They haven't released anything for almost 5 years, they simply kept the population cooled off over the millions they are spending with no results with tidy bits of nothing that the journos enlarged and twisted at will.
The Scotland Yard is still negotiating with Portugal for tidy bits of extra information from the files. They have sent rogatories, all regarding portuguese people, but none implied questioning those persons. SY is just trailing its tail.
I'm sorry to say, for those that expected very much from this Circus TV that is being announced. This is just another request for donations for the endless fruitless Fund.
I think scotland yard have got nowhere much but have to carry on
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Does any soul believe that Scotland Yard is going to release any information on that -------Crimewatch?
They haven't released anything for almost 5 years, they simply kept the population cooled off over the millions they are spending with no results with tidy bits of nothing that the journos enlarged and twisted at will.
The Scotland Yard is still negotiating with Portugal for tidy bits of extra information from the files. They have sent rogatories, all regarding portuguese people, but none implied questioning those persons. SY is just trailing its tail.
I'm sorry to say, for those that expected very much from this Circus TV that is being announced. This is just another request for donations for the endless fruitless Fund.
Wrong again ! In fact are you ever right about anything you claim?
Fact -there has been no active request for donations to the findmadeleine Fund since Scotland Yard began their review.
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Grow up
That the sum of it?
The best you have?
No smiley?
Laugh it up because a small child is missing, have a "party"
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You might like to consider the possibility that someone much higher up is doing the manipulation of both organisations.
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That the sum of it?
The best you have?
No smiley?
Laugh it up because a small child is missing, have a "party"
Grow up
The pope has a btter sense of humour than you too and does less pontificating and emotional blackmail, fail 0/10
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I don't want to insult your intelligence.
Scotland Yard is a flailed agency that in the last years has had more failures than success. They just hold to a millionaire budget to do nothing.
BBC is the joke of the European, or the world national TV broadcasting companies. They have made so many errors, that this one is just another one.
The usual jingoistic nonsense from you. Scotland Yard has more failure than successes? Presumably you have statistics to back this up? And the BBC is the joke of the broadcasting world? Compared to what? ITV? Channel 4? Pravda? Fox? The Onion? Al Jazeera? What are you basing this on? It's simply bigoted nonsense, Luz, and it won't do. It just won't do.
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You might like to consider the possibility that someone much higher up is doing the manipulation of both organisations.
Yup
Bernard Hogan howe police commissioner stated something like we will have to decide what the outcome IS......and Redwood hmself has said he HOPES for SOME KIND of resolutionbut that that doesnt mean solving the case....
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I just bet that Crimewatch will be the biggest fiasco of Beeb.
If I had any hope that it would make a difference I would support it with all my heart, but by the way it has been announced I suspect it is a sort of long Nancy Grace full of ---t kind of thing.
SY are known for being extremely strategic and often feed bits and pieces to the press because they want to put suspects under pressure / have them under surveillance. From what I can see SY have gone from wanting to wind down the case by Christmas 2012 because they were running out of funds - to convincing the UK Government to fund a full fledged investigation and we know that they have involved the lead CPS team - CPS in itself indicates that they are potentially sitting on something massive and mean to prosecute i.e. the person/people are alive! As a result, I am pretty sure CrimeWatch is designed solely for the people they have in their sights rather than actually wanting help from the public. I also think the libel case has been planned/timed to ensure GA is centre stage in order to take any criticism that the world would have thrown at Portugal...... That is my take.
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It's really positive news that Crimewatch is being shown in Europe Ben. You never know there may just be German/Dutch holidaymakers who could bring forth new info. Got my fingers crossed.
Me too - although I'd have aimed for the Dutch and German Tourist long ago.
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Grow up
The pope has a btter sense of humour than you too and does less pontificating and emotional blackmail, fail 0/10
Why would I try to emotionally blackmail a ...............I'll be polite. Why would you see my sense of humour on a forum discussing a missing child? Is it a place to display a sense of humour? Is it a "party"?
Oh and the grow up, you already said that.
I have, have you?
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The usual jingoistic nonsense from you. Scotland Yard has more failure than successes? Presumably you have statistics to back this up? And the BBC is the joke of the broadcasting world? Compared to what? ITV? Channel 4? Pravda? Fox? The Onion? Al Jazeera? What are you basing this on? It's simply bigoted nonsense, Luz, and it won't do. It just won't do.
Of course she doesn't have proof. Just her usual xenophobic rant.
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Why would I try to emotionally blackmail a ...............I'll be polite. Why would you see my sense of humour on a forum discussing a missing child? Is it a place to display a sense of humour? Is it a "party"?
Oh and the grow up, you already said that.
I have, have you?
Grow up
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Grow up
You already said that. Adults torment the parents of a missing child, laugh at it and post abuse, do they?
Fair enough.........I'll give it a miss.
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SY are known for being extremely strategic and often feed bits and pieces to the press because they want to put suspects under pressure / have them under surveillance. From what I can see SY have gone from wanting to wind down the case by Christmas 2012 because they were running out of funds - to convincing the UK Government to fund a full fledged investigation and we know that they have involved the lead CPS team - CPS in itself indicates that they are potentially sitting on something massive and mean to prosecute i.e. the person/people are alive! As a result, I am pretty sure CrimeWatch is designed solely for the people they have in their sights rather than actually wanting help from the public. I also think the libel case has been planned/timed to ensure GA is centre stage in order to take any criticism that the world would have thrown at Portugal...... That is my take.
Hi kmc and welcome to the forum.
I don't think that the libel case could have been planned/timed - these things depend on court schedules etc.
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Hi kmc and welcome to the forum.
I don't think that the libel case could have been planned/timed - these things depend on court schedules etc.
True.
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Hi kmc and welcome to the forum.
I don't think that the libel case could have been planned/timed - these things depend on court schedules etc.
Exactly but the rest of kmcs post is fairly spot on...well, normally
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The usual jingoistic nonsense from you. Scotland Yard has more failure than successes? Presumably you have statistics to back this up? And the BBC is the joke of the broadcasting world? Compared to what? ITV? Channel 4? Pravda? Fox? The Onion? Al Jazeera? What are you basing this on? It's simply bigoted nonsense, Luz, and it won't do. It just won't do.
My dear, as I already said tonight, I try to be sympathetic to ignorant, but I really can't stand stupid people.
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Hi kmc and welcome to the forum.
I don't think that the libel case could have been planned/timed - these things depend on court schedules etc.
When the case first started - I got the impression that it would be held in September and I imagined a verdict in early October. At what stage was a verdict/outcome pushed to November? I am sure that there are murder trials that are less long winded.....
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The libel trial might have had uncertain dates, but it has been suggested that the Crimewatch programme was made months ago, so it's scheduled date could have been adjusted to coincide with the trial.
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The libel trial might have had uncertain dates, but it has been suggested that the Crimewatch programme was made months ago, so it's scheduled date could have been adjusted to coincide with the trial.
I think that a lot of things have been adjusted to coincide including the NCA launching last Saturday - it is supposed to the UK's new equivalent to the FBI and focuses on international crime including human trafficking. Also, if SY made the CrimeWatch show six months ago they would have had to film somewhere like Spain because at that stage they had no idea whether Portugal would get behind them or not. What it does indicate is that we are looking at a very carefully thought out and timed campaign....I think something big is coming. I hope so anyway!
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Perhaps Crimewatch will run a slightly different version and catch people on the hop
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I think that a lot of things have been adjusted to coincide including the NCA launching last Saturday - it is supposed to the UK's new equivalent to the FBI and focuses on international crime including human trafficking. Also, if SY made the CrimeWatch show six months ago they would have had to film somewhere like Spain because at that stage they had no idea whether Portugal would get behind them or not. What it does indicate is that we are looking at a very carefully thought out and timed campaign....I think something big is coming. I hope so anyway!
How could they don't know if Portugal was behind them or not if they have been in touch with Portugal for more than an year?!
But of course that Portugal would not embark on some silly Crimewatch show for TV consumption when there is still a demand for a legal, formal reconstitution to be made if/when the process is re-opened.
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If in any way or form the SY is supporting this Crimewatch soap opera, I'm afraid the relations between the 2 countries will change dramatically in relation to the investigation of this case.
Portuguese laws do not allow such mediatic circuses. If in any way not previously disclosed information is used or if British police get involved in this, I fear the co-operation will be over.
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Yes the mccanns think the smiths saw the tanner man.....be interestng to see the e fit and it it looks like black glossy bob haired man also if it looks like cooperman george harrison who tanner said looked 80% like the man she saw even if she NEVER saw his face and also missed his massive handlebar moustache but noticed there was no creases in his trousers dear god!!!
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She agreed that 80% of the e-fit was OK - the 20% that she could not comment on was his face - because she didn't see it. Simples.
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She agreed that 80% of the e-fit was OK - the 20% that she could not comment on was his face - because she didn't see it. Simples.
Did she ever actually say that herself, or did CM just claim it?
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She agreed that 80% of the e-fit was OK - the 20% that she could not comment on was his face - because she didn't see it. Simples.
Joana Morais site has an article about CrimeWatch going out in Germany and quotes a German newspaper; "exact analysis of the files" that brought new leads, and for "the first time a trail leads to Germany". In the programme, two e-fits of men are shown for the first time; they apparently "spoke German" and had not been in the focus of the investigation yet."
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Les boutons n'importe quoi, Anne! <the buttons mean nothing>
Also looking forward to Crimewatch and any new information that it may bring in the search for Madeleine.
I agree the buttons aren't as crucial as making a Gerrylookalike who doesn't look like Gerry!
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She agreed that 80% of the e-fit was OK - the 20% that she could not comment on was his face - because she didn't see it. Simples.
What is the most specific and expressive part of the human being ? His arms, trunk, legs, belly... etc. or his face ?
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If in any way or form the SY is supporting this Crimewatch soap opera, I'm afraid the relations between the 2 countries will change dramatically in relation to the investigation of this case.
Portuguese laws do not allow such mediatic circuses. If in any way not previously disclosed information is used or if British police get involved in this, I fear the co-operation will be over.
'Portuguese laws do not allow such mediatic circuses' ..... Really?? Why then didn't they lock up the clown who they put in charge of running the circus?
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If in any way or form the SY is supporting this Crimewatch soap opera, I'm afraid the relations between the 2 countries will change dramatically in relation to the investigation of this case.
Portuguese laws do not allow such mediatic circuses. If in any way not previously disclosed information is used or if British police get involved in this, I fear the co-operation will be over.
I think the trial will be crucial, Luz. Crimewatch circus is pure pacotille.
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'Portuguese laws do not allow such mediatic circuses' ..... Really?? Why then didn't they lock up the clown who they put in charge of running the circus?
In fact they don't. A country has to have a superior idea of itself to allow media circus to prosper. The old trick : bread and games.
Some people should reflect about this if they really intend to make their voices be heard.
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If in any way or form the SY is supporting this Crimewatch soap opera, I'm afraid the relations between the 2 countries will change dramatically in relation to the investigation of this case.
Portuguese laws do not allow such mediatic circuses. If in any way not previously disclosed information is used or if British police get involved in this, I fear the co-operation will be over.
Several police officers have appeared on the programme from the studio, including David Hatcher, Helen Phelps, Jeremy Payne, Jacqui Hames, Jonathan Morrison, Jane Corrigan, and Rav Wilding. For many years the programme also included antiques experts John Bly, Eric Knowles and Paul Hayes to help with 'treasure trove' details of recovered goods believed to have been stolen, to trace owners.[6]
Despite initial police concerns about involvement[4] (only three forces out of more than 40 agreed to participate at first) Crimewatch developed a special status with police and was credited with an expertise of its own, notably through Nick Ross' long experience with public appeals. Unlike the American equivalent based on Crimewatch, America's Most Wanted, Crimewatch itself usually appeals for unsolved cases, inviting viewers to be armchair detectives. According to the producers, about a third of its cases are solved, half of those as a direct result of viewers' calls. Its successes have included some of Britain's most notorious crimes, including the kidnap of Stephanie Slater and murder of Julie Dart, the M25 rapist, the road-rage killing by Kenneth Noye, and the capture of two boys for the abduction and murder of James Bulger.
Over the years, Crimewatch has featured appeals from all 43 police forces in the country. 1 in 3 appeals leads to an arrest and 1 in 5 lead to a conviction. 4 or 5 requests to air appeals are received from police forces every day.[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimewatch
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Did she ever actually say that herself, or did CM just claim it?
It's obvious that JT could not say the E-fit was 100% OK, because it included details of the man's face which she had not seen. But she could comment on the rest of it. Therefore she agreed with 80% of it - i.e. everything except the face. I can't understand why that is so difficult to understand.
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In fact they don't. A country has to have a superior idea of itself to allow media circus to prosper. The old trick : bread and games.
Some people should reflect about this if they really intend to make their voices be heard.
They don't???????? Really?????? Your lead investigator was known for drinking, under investigation for brutalisation, his crime scene treated like an ashtray and at the end of it all - he could not build a case against ANYONE not EVEN the McCanns and was sacked from the job!!!! Yet, your laws sat back and allowed him to write and publish a book accusing the family of murder - plus watched him make numerous daytime TV/video appearances and now you are calling SY a circus and a soap opera...... Are you actually for real?
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How could they don't know if Portugal was behind them or not if they have been in touch with Portugal for more than an year?!
But of course that Portugal would not embark on some silly Crimewatch show for TV consumption when there is still a demand for a legal, formal reconstitution to be made if/when the process is re-opened.
Why would you describe Crimewatch as ''some silly show'? This programme has resulted in the apprehension of many criminals over the years who would still be free if Crimewatch did not exist.
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What is the most specific and expressive part of the human being ? His arms, trunk, legs, belly... etc. or his face ?
Nitpicking Anne? Regardless of what part of a body is most expressive in your opinion , JT could only describe what she saw of the man - and it did not include his face. Her estimate of 80% covered that fact.
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Nitpicking Anne? Regardless of what part of a body is most expressive in your opinion , JT could only describe what she saw of the man - and it did not include his face. Her estimate of 80% covered that fact.
So what happened to that suspect? It's not been mentioned for years. It isn't on the website, or in the book.
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They don't???????? Really?????? Your lead investigator was known for drinking, under investigation for brutalisation, his crime scene treated like an ashtray and at the end of it all - he could not build a case against ANYONE not EVEN the McCanns and was sacked from the job!!!! Yet, your laws sat back and allowed him to write and publish a book accusing the family of murder - plus watched him make numerous daytime TV/video appearances and now you are calling SY a circus and a soap opera...... Are you actually for real?
Welcome kmc
Excellent analysis. 8@??)( Good to have new blood on board
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Excellent ranting more like 8)--)) Not to be taken seriously.
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They don't???????? Really?????? Your lead investigator was known for drinking, under investigation for brutalisation, his crime scene treated like an ashtray and at the end of it all - he could not build a case against ANYONE not EVEN the McCanns and was sacked from the job!!!! Yet, your laws sat back and allowed him to write and publish a book accusing the family of murder - plus watched him make numerous daytime TV/video appearances and now you are calling SY a circus and a soap opera...... Are you actually for real?
I'm not Portuguese so I'm not concerned by "your". I reckon that you unfairly and without any evidence accuse someone who isn't on this forum to reply. Bravo !
About the crime scene, Mr McCann was the first person to mess it manipulating the shutters from the outside ! He surely had a good reason for this, don't you think ?
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So what happened to that suspect? It's not been mentioned for years. It isn't on the website, or in the book.
Faceless persons aren't easily talked about..
The face is so essential that, in France, women aren't allowed to wear a hijab or a niqab in the public space.
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This programme has resulted in the apprehension of many criminals over the years who would still be free if Crimewatch did not exist.
Do you have some stats about this, Benice ? I really wonder to how much tattling this could lead.
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I'm not Portuguese so I'm not concerned by "your". I reckon that you unfairly and without any evidence accuse someone who isn't on this forum to reply. Bravo !
About the crime scene, Mr McCann was the first person to mess it manipulating the shutters from the outside ! He surely had a good reason for this, don't you think ?
Yes he was trying to find out whether they could be opened from the outside. Not surprising that he should take every action possible to ascertain the facts - considering his little girl had disappeared from that bedroom. To accuse any of the family or friends of messing up the crime scene is completely unfair - as it was not a crime scene until AFTER is was established that Madeleine was not in the apartment or in close proximity and they could not do that without first searching every room. They were not policemen nor should they be expected to think like policeman in such an horrendous situation
The fact that the police who arrived also searched the whole apartment and allowed all and sundry in is open to criticism - as they were policemen and should have known better.
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Do you have some stats about this, Benice ? I really wonder to how much tattling this could lead.
No I don't Anne - but Crimewatch regularly devotes part of their programme to updating the public on their success in apprehending criminals - as a direct result of information received from the Public when phoning in.
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How could they don't know if Portugal was behind them or not if they have been in touch with Portugal for more than an year?!
But of course that Portugal would not embark on some silly Crimewatch show for TV consumption when there is still a demand for a legal, formal reconstitution to be made if/when the process is re-opened.
Yes of course, SY is in regular contact with the Porto team since the beginning of the review.
Enough was watching Channel 4 so-called reconstruction to conclude they can effectively do it anywhere, even in Alaska, for what it's worth.
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No I don't Anne - but Crimewatch regularly devotes part of their programme to updating the public on their success in apprehending criminals - as a direct result of information received from the Public when phoning in.
Have you seen how many phone calls they're expecting ! What are these phone calls (but possibly one) actually ? I don't find it healthy.
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Have you seen how many phone calls they're expecting ! What are these phone calls (but possibly one) actually ? I don't find it healthy.
No I haven't Anne, I've got a bit tired with all the abuse and wild speculation about this programme which hasn't even been aired yet. I prefer to just wait and see - and of course hope that something good comes out of it.
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Call me cynical if you want but are the latest moves by Scotland Yard in some way connected with the ongoing libel trial being undertaking in Lisbon? The total absence of British Press at the Palace of Justice on Tuesday this week was very noticeable as was the decision by the plaintiffs and their lead lawyer to boycott the proceedings.
Does anyone think that these events will have some bearing on the much talked about Anglo Portuguese cooperation we keep hearing about in the British Press?
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/15/article-0-05F9243F000005DC-237_468x286.jpg)
McCann spokesman Clarence Mitchell and their PI Dave Edgar hold up a copy of a previous e-fit.
I've not read the rest of the thread, but behave, John.
If Amaral had played ball from the beginning, the libel trial would have been done and dusted months or years ago (I lose track).
As it stands, Amaral now has against him, not only the Panarama programme and Met review, but also the full conclusions of the Leveson enquiry and the clear and unmistakable evidence that the PJ leaked.
Amaral has no one to blame but himself (and his team)
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I'm not Portuguese so I'm not concerned by "your". I reckon that you unfairly and without any evidence accuse someone who isn't on this forum to reply. Bravo !
About the crime scene, Mr McCann was the first person to mess it manipulating the shutters from the outside ! He surely had a good reason for this, don't you think ?
Yet you accuse the Mccanns?
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I've not read the rest of the thread, but behave, John.
If Amaral had played ball from the beginning, the libel trial would have been done and dusted months or years ago (I lose track).
As it stands, Amaral now has against him, not only the Panorama programme and Met review, but also the full conclusions of the Leveson enquiry and the clear and unmistakable evidence that the PJ leaked.
Amaral has no one to blame but himself (and his team)
You mean capitulate ferryman?? @)(++(*
You might not have noticed old chap but Portuguese courts take no notice of the BeeB or the Keystone Cops. Even the judge at the libel trial is now saying that Amaral's book contained nothing new and was based totally on the official process.
They lost the book embargo and now the libel trial is going the same way...shame. @)(++(*
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You mean capitulate ferryman?? @)(++(*
You might not have noticed old chap but Portuguese courts take no notice of the BeeB or the Keystone Cops. Even the judge at the libel trial is now saying that Amaral's book contained nothing new and was based totally on the official process.
They lost the book embargo and now the libel trial is going the same way...shame. @)(++(*
Just watched a clip on BBC1 of crimewatch............
Ger ready for the whitewash from the deadwood redwood. @)(++(*
It will be up for a BAFTA. @)(++(*
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That 'silly show' as some poster referred to it, has led to the apprehension of more than fifty murderers and more than fifty rapists. The show has light highlighted 4,000 cases and they get around 1,000 calls after an average show.