Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: stephen25000 on October 31, 2013, 07:58:10 AM
Title: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 31, 2013, 07:58:10 AM
Let's take the 'nobody was searching' statement in the book.
The book was supposed to be a factual account of what happened.
Facts need to be checked.
It was widely reported in the aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance that local people and holidaymakers searched overnight and on subsequent days, both on news reports and in the media in general.
As far as I know the lie that only the Mccanns were searching has not been removed from the book, which was clearly a ploy to gain sympathy for the parents.
As to Amaral, he got the D.N.A. evidence wrong, no doubt about it, as it was inconclusive.
As to lying, have you ever met a person who has never lied in their lives ?
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Benice on October 31, 2013, 08:24:56 AM
let's take the 'nobody was searching' statement in the book.
The book was supposed to be a factual account of what happened.
Facts need to be checked.
It was widely reported in the aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance that local people and holidaymakers searched overnight and on subsequent days, both on news reports and in the media in general.
As far as I know the lie that only the Mccanns were searching has not been removed from the book, which was clearly a ploy to gain sympathy for the parents.As to Amaral, he got the D.N.A. evidence wrong, no doubt about it, as it was inconclusive.
As to lying, have you ever met a person who has never lied in their lives ?
The McCanns didn't say other people did not search for Madeleine. They said they were the only ones looking in the area they searched when they went out at daybreak. Probably because other people had gone home to bed.
If they had said they saw other people searching when they didn't - then that would have been a lie.
I'm convinced that if you found out that the McCanns told their children Santa had brought their Xmas pressies - you would be gleefully holding that up as proof of what massive liars they are.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: stephen25000 on October 31, 2013, 08:28:55 AM
The McCanns didn't say other people did not search for Madeleine. They said they were the only ones looking in the area they searched when they went out at daybreak. Probably because other people had gone home to bed.
If they had said they saw other people searching when they didn't - then that would have been a lie.
I'm convinced that if you found out that the McCanns told their children Santa had brought their Xmas pressies - you would be gleefully holding that up as proof of what massive liars they are.
You are being pedantic.
By saying they were the only ones searching, it implies nobody else was.
As to your last sentence, grow up.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Luz on October 31, 2013, 08:30:20 AM
The McCanns didn't say other people did not search for Madeleine. They said they were the only ones looking in the area they searched when they went out at daybreak. Probably because other people had gone home to bed.
If they had said they saw other people searching when they didn't - then that would have been a lie.
I'm convinced that if you found out that the McCanns told their children Santa had brought their Xmas pressies - you would be gleefully holding that up as proof of what massive liars they are.
You have to take it that the book was written to some privileged people that would have inferred that "nobody but us" meant that nobody was in the room where they made phone calls and went over putting up their little blog (which was latter put down - fortunately Pamalam preserved those jewels).
Well, if K. McCann searched that is news and contradictory:
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: John on October 31, 2013, 11:03:56 PM
The only reference I can find in Kate's book is this...
Friday 4 May. Our first day without Madeleine. As soon as it was light Gerry and I resumed our search. We went up and down roads we’d never seen before, having barely left the Ocean Club complex all week. We jumped over walls and raked through undergrowth. We looked in ditches and holes. All was quiet apart from the sound of barking dogs, which added to the eeriness of the atmosphere. I remember opening a big dumpster-type bin and saying to myself, please God, don’t let her be in here. The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine. Just us, her parents.We must have been out for at least an hour before returning to David and Fiona’s apartment.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Benice on November 01, 2013, 01:36:41 AM
The only reference I can find in Kate's book is this...
Friday 4 May. Our first day without Madeleine. As soon as it was light Gerry and I resumed our search. We went up and down roads we’d never seen before, having barely left the Ocean Club complex all week. We jumped over walls and raked through undergrowth. We looked in ditches and holes. All was quiet apart from the sound of barking dogs, which added to the eeriness of the atmosphere. I remember opening a big dumpster-type bin and saying to myself, please God, don’t let her be in here. The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine. Just us, her parents.We must have been out for at least an hour before returning to David and Fiona’s apartment.
Notice it says ''Nobody else IT SEEMED was out looking for Madeleine.'' and the reason it SEEMED like that was because they never saw or met anyone else during their search.
Twisting that to try to make it mean that according to the McCanns no-one at all searched anywhere for Madeleine during that night is ridiculous. Why would they make that claim when they knew that the first thing MW did was to put their search procedure into practice when the alarm was raised.
Just another case of poring over and dissecting every single word the McCanns say - looking for another stick to beat them with IMO.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: sadie on November 01, 2013, 01:42:17 AM
Notice it says ''Nobody else IT SEEMED was out looking for Madeleine.'' and the reason it SEEMED like that was because they never saw or met anyone else during their search.
Twisting that to try to make it mean that according to the McCanns no-one at all searched anywhere for Madeleine during that night is ridiculous. Why would they make that claim when they knew that the first thing MW did was to put their search procedure into practice when the alarm was raised.
Just another case of poring over and dissecting every single word the McCanns say - looking for another stick to beat them with IMO.
Exactly Benice ... and they qualified it by stating that it was at first light on the 4th of May.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Angelo222 on February 25, 2014, 02:34:14 PM
What lie about searching? They both searched. They did not join in the later searches organised by the locals etc because even if they had wanted to they would not have been allowed to by hundreds of media folk - who were being starved of information from the PJ - and who would have mobbed them on sight. IMO.
The police advice to the parents in cases of child abduction is always to stay at home.
The McCanns appear to have a huge problem with the search for Madeleine. I am not aware that they have ever taken part in a single organised search. That for many people is astonishing. Why is that?
They said they were the only ones searching after 4am and we know that is a lie. They did themselves no favours by decrying the locals who were out all night. Me me me all the time.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Benice on February 25, 2014, 04:04:56 PM
They said they were the only ones searching after 4am and we know that is a lie. They did themselves no favours by decrying the locals who were out all night. Me me me all the time.
They didn't lie Angelo - they met no-one else out searching while they were out searching and it made them feel alone. It was their perception based on their own experience at that particular time in that particular place. 'Lying' doesn't come into it IMO. Not once did they ever decry the locals - but they were seriously alarmed when the PJ upped and left and said they wouldn't be back until 9.00ish the next morning. And who can blame them?
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 25, 2014, 04:08:36 PM
They didn't lie Angelo - they met no-one else out searching while they were out searching and it made them feel alone. It was their perception based on their own experience at that particular time in that particular place. 'Lying' doesn't come into it IMO. Not once did they ever decry the locals - but they were seriously alarmed when the PJ upped and left and said they wouldn't be back until 9.00ish the next morning. And who can blame them?
This is not true, read the many statements that are in the files.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Eleanor on February 25, 2014, 04:40:15 PM
It wasn't that kind of book I've been told many, many times. It was a fundraiser, and primarily about Kate. But there is a problem there: you write a book to fund a search but the book barely mentions the search (very barely). That doesn't look good when you're simultaneously taking legal action against another writer for allegedly hampering the search you yourself chose not to highlight in your own book.
To me it was a catharsis which Kate badly needed. And if the book made money, which it did, then good. What was there to say about the search? It is more of a campaign than a search. It was never possible for The McCanns to go out there and actively search, and it never will be. They are doing the only thing they can do.
I am not feeling even remotely confrontational today. But the fact is that I believe Madeleine was abducted and you apparently don't.
Amaral was never going to stop, so again, they are doing the only thing they can do.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Angelo222 on February 25, 2014, 04:52:56 PM
They didn't lie Angelo - they met no-one else out searching while they were out searching and it made them feel alone. It was their perception based on their own experience at that particular time in that particular place. 'Lying' doesn't come into it IMO. Not once did they ever decry the locals - but they were seriously alarmed when the PJ upped and left and said they wouldn't be back until 9.00ish the next morning. And who can blame them?
They met no-one else out searching? Good gracious, they couldn't have gone very far as many groups both Portuguese and British talk of being out all night and into the early morning.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: jassi on February 25, 2014, 04:57:16 PM
They met no-one else out searching? Good gracious, they couldn't have gone very far as many groups both Portuguese and British talk of being out all night and into the early morning.
Perhaps they were looking in out of the way places.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Eleanor on February 25, 2014, 04:59:55 PM
They met no-one else out searching? Good gracious, they couldn't have gone very far as many groups both Portuguese and British talk of being out all night and into the early morning.
Exactly. Into the early morning. Not that I would have expected them to go on indefinitely. But aren't we talking about the distress of a mother whose daughter was missing? Surely she can be forgiven for being a trifle irrational.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Angelo222 on February 25, 2014, 05:05:02 PM
To me it was a catharsis which Kate badly needed. And if the book made money, which it did, then good. What was there to say about the search? It is more of a campaign than a search. It was never possible for The McCanns to go out there and actively search, and it never will be. They are doing the only thing they can do.
I am not feeling even remotely confrontational today. But the fact is that I believe Madeleine was abducted and you apparently don't.
Amaral was never going to stop, so again, they are doing the only thing they can do.
Oh not back to that old chestnut again Eleanor, the poor dears cannot go out and search!!
Why they have never done it is because they are too full of their own importance. They or at least Gerry was more involved in his own vested interest and still is than soil his silky smooth consultants hands in a search for Madeleine. The truth is they abandoned Madeleine a very long time ago, the moment they thought they were about to be arrested they were out of there like scalded cats.
Get off your backsides Messrs McCann and go look for your daughter!!!!!
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Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Angelo222 on February 25, 2014, 05:09:48 PM
Oh not back to that old chestnut again Eleanor, the poor dears cannot go out and search!!
Why they have never done it is because they are too full of their own importance. They or at least Gerry was more involved in his own vested interest and still is than soil his silky smooth consultants hands in a search for Madeleine. The truth is they abandoned Madeleine a very long time ago, the moment they thought they were about to be arrested they were out of there like scalded cats.
Get off your backsides Messrs McCann and go look for your daughter!!!!!
.
Do you think they would know how to ?
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Eleanor on February 25, 2014, 05:20:51 PM
Oh not back to that old chestnut again Eleanor, the poor dears cannot go out and search!!
Why they have never done it is because they are too full of their own importance. They or at least Gerry was more involved in his own vested interest and still is than soil his silky smooth consultants hands in a search for Madeleine. The truth is they abandoned Madeleine a very long time ago, the moment they thought they were about to be arrested they were out of there like scalded cats.
Get off your backsides Messrs McCann and go look for your daughter!!!!!
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You see, this is exactly the sort of post that drives me to confrontation. You insult me and libel The McCanns.
Now, please will you tell me what they should be doing to physically search for Madeleine? Where do you think they should be actively looking? Do you think they should have run the risk of finding Madeleine's body, and interfering with a crime scene?
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Estuarine on February 25, 2014, 05:21:13 PM
Why they have never done it is because they are too full of their own importance.
I don't think so, Angelo, the world just goes around them, that's all. They didn't search likely because there was nobody to search. Words are easily pronounced to disguise your thoughts, but faking a search is very difficult, especially when you're distressed, which they were.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: jassi on February 25, 2014, 05:46:04 PM
They met no-one else out searching? Good gracious, they couldn't have gone very far as many groups both Portuguese and British talk of being out all night and into the early morning.
By all accounts (up until the "book") Kate Mccann never went out that night to search. Gerry Mccann did though with the others ontwo or maybe three occasions. All of them will have seen the scores of people out there. So I have to agree that to complain there was no one searching when they went out again at 6am or so is a little ingracious and disingenuous IMO. They were catching up on a little sleep! It was just a jibe to create an impression that no one was doing anything.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Angelo222 on February 25, 2014, 06:02:41 PM
You see, this is exactly the sort of post that drives me to confrontation. You insult me and libel The McCanns.
Now, please will you tell me what they should be doing to physically search for Madeleine? Where do you think they should be actively looking? Do you think they should have run the risk of finding Madeleine's body, and interfering with a crime scene?
We don't allow libellous posts on this forum but I do admit to pulling your chain for which I do apologise.
Are you suggesting a smart well educated twosome like the McCanns have to be educated in the art of searching for their offspring?
How many summers have they spent on the ground in Portugal looking?
Do they rush off to Portugal at every opportunity to pursue a search?
Kate isn't even working so why isn't she out there talking with locals organising further searches?
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: jassi on February 25, 2014, 06:12:17 PM
If they are not going to search, what is the money for?
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Eleanor on February 25, 2014, 06:15:39 PM
Praia da Luz and surrounds for starters and moving out slowly.
@)(++(*
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: John on February 25, 2014, 07:12:00 PM
This has always been an issue which had intrigued me too. Ask any person with a child what they would do if that child disappeared on holiday and the 'normal' response is always that they woukd search for them until they could no longer do it. The Needham's have done it as have the Fitzpatrick's and the Hasée family. Why not the McCanns?
What prevented them personally from actually searching for Madeleine?
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Angelo222 on February 25, 2014, 07:21:50 PM
Why do you find my suggestion that they start a proper search in and around Praia da Luz funny Anne? A search process always begins at the last place the child was seen. There are loads of places around the village where a child could have been concealed.
Searching involves many disciplines, it is not as Eleanor suggests all to do with a spade. Her facetious comment just underlines the frivolity and contempt with which McCann supporters still hold this suggestion. Remarkable really for people who claim that Mr Amaral hindered the search when all along the McCanns couldn't even be bothered getting off their backsides and personally doing some searching.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 25, 2014, 07:26:15 PM
Why do you find my suggestion that they start a proper search in and around Praia da Luz funny Anne? A search process always begins at the last place the child was seen.
Sorry, Angelo, what I found funny was the "slow" detail ! Dave Edgar suggested it shyly because all sorts of dangers were to be expected in a lawless region.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: John on February 25, 2014, 07:34:20 PM
Sorry, Angelo, what I found funny was the "slow" detail ! Dave Edgar suggested it shyly because all sorts of dangers were to be expected in a lawless region.
Good point Anne, former Ulster detective Edgar did suggest that Madeleine could be held in some sort of a cell in the surrounding area. Where the heck did he get the lawless label from? Isn't the PdL area supposed to be one of the friendliest areas in the Algarve?
Angelo mentions the multiple disciplines involved in searching for a missing child. Indeed, one of the most important is to gain the trust and respect of the locals. This is probably where the SY investigation will fail, police end up antagonising the local population.
If you can carry the locals with you, you end up tapping into a huge resource of who's who and a grapevine of connections which the police will never unravel. We have all heard why Robert Murat's mother set up her mobile information desk. She knew only too well that the people would not confide in the police.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 25, 2014, 07:43:36 PM
one of the most important is to gain the trust and respect of the locals. This is probably where the SY investigation will fail, police end up antagonising the local population.
Yes, this is delicate and takes time. I'm sure SY would understand that if this was at stake. But if they pretend to have access to bank accounts and private data, it's more tricky. Remember the Appeal Court refusing the MP access to the McCann SMS ?
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 25, 2014, 08:30:37 PM
Yes the non-existent "search".
Which started that evening and continued right through to this day, when we know any actual "searching" was stopped a long time ago when Edgar produced that inconvenient efit and was threatened with legal action for his trouble.
As far as I'm concerned, every penny milked from "the Fund" is fraudulently acquired.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2014, 08:36:37 PM
Which started that evening and continued right through to this day, when we know any actual "searching" was stopped a long time ago when Edgar produced that inconvenient efit and was threatened with legal action for his trouble.
As far as I'm concerned, every penny milked from "the Fund" is fraudulently acquired.
Well you have got everything else wrong so may as well keep on going
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2014, 08:40:52 PM
Let's take the 'nobody was searching' statement in the book.
The book was supposed to be a factual account of what happened.
Facts need to be checked.
It was widely reported in the aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance that local people and holidaymakers searched overnight and on subsequent days, both on news reports and in the media in general.
As far as I know the lie that only the Mccanns were searching has not been removed from the book, which was clearly a ploy to gain sympathy for the parents.
As to Amaral, he got the D.N.A. evidence wrong, no doubt about it, as it was inconclusive.
As to lying, have you ever met a person who has never lied in their lives ?
So when you make the claim it says in the book nobody was searching you are actually telling a lie
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Estuarine on February 25, 2014, 08:44:40 PM
Sorry, Angelo, what I found funny was the "slow" detail ! Dave Edgar suggested it shyly because all sorts of dangers were to be expected in a lawless region.
Unfortunately Anne the British believe that lawlessness, bribery, corruption and all sorts of nefarious goings on start once one is beyond the soggy bit at Dover ;)
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2014, 08:47:56 PM
Unfortunately Anne the British believe that lawlessness, bribery, corruption and all sorts of nefarious goings on start once one is beyond the soggy bit at Dover ;)
What makes you think you can criticise the entire british people..that's an extremely racist and xenophobic comment...there again only a fool would make such a generalisation
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 25, 2014, 10:26:33 PM
What makes you think you can criticise the entire british people..that's an extremely racist and xenophobic comment...there again only a fool would make such a generalisation
Like the entire PJ are written off as incompetent liars?
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 26, 2014, 02:57:09 AM
And if SY make significant progress on the case whilst the libel trial is in progress, how will the McCanns be able to argue that the search has been impeded?
(Perhaps this explains the lack of official statements at the moment from SY / TM? ).
And if SY don't make any progress, how will the McCanns be able to argue that it was Amaral who impeded the search when SY and the British taxpayer invested such a great deal and still failed to find anything?
All very complicated!
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: John on February 26, 2014, 04:30:58 AM
So when you make the claim it says in the book nobody was searching you are actually telling a lie
Not at all, he was spot on actually...ergo the lie...
Quote from: Madeleine book by Kate McCann page 91
The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine. Just us, her parents. We must have been out for at least an hour before returning to David and Fiona’s apartment.
"We were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine."
And she adds just for good measure that they were out a whole hour! One whole hours searching in nearly 7 years. Must be a record!
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Estuarine on February 26, 2014, 08:41:33 AM
Like the entire PJ are written off as incompetent liars?
Which can of course be construed as racist and xenophobic. I don't understand how one Brit making comments about other Brits is. But there you go 8(>((
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: stephen25000 on February 26, 2014, 08:49:12 AM
This says it all so well.
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Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: John on February 26, 2014, 09:08:12 AM
UNBELIEVABLE
Kate says they are working really hard trying to get Madeleine back but not by physically searching?
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: carlymichelle on February 26, 2014, 09:16:33 AM
why wouldnt parents go looking for their lost frightned 3 year old?? this isnt normal
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Lace on February 26, 2014, 09:18:14 AM
Why do you find my suggestion that they start a proper search in and around Praia da Luz funny Anne? A search process always begins at the last place the child was seen. There are loads of places around the village where a child could have been concealed.
Searching involves many disciplines, it is not as Eleanor suggests all to do with a spade. Her facetious comment just underlines the frivolity and contempt with which McCann supporters still hold this suggestion. Remarkable really for people who claim that Mr Amaral hindered the search when all along the McCanns couldn't even be bothered getting off their backsides and personally doing some searching.
Praia da Luz was searched, hundreds of people searched, the police searched with dogs with helicopters. Why do you think the McCann's going out there searching is going to be helpful?
You seem to forget that the McCann's were with the police the days following Madeleine's disappearance.
Why is it just the McCann's who are accused of not searching for their child the days following a disappearance?
Who in their right mind would want the parents searching days after their child went missing?
Ben Needhams parents have been mentioned. Let me remind everyone that Mrs. Needham was following up leads of sightings, looking for a live Ben not a corpse.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: slartibartfast on February 26, 2014, 09:19:41 AM
Kate says they are working really hard trying to get Madeleine back but not by physically searching?
Maybe it is part of the "God Complex" that seems to affect some doctors? Perhaps they felt more comfortable sending out their "staff" to do the searching.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Lace on February 26, 2014, 09:19:56 AM
Maybe it is part of the "God Complex" that seems to affect some doctors? Perhaps they felt more comfortable sending out their "staff" to do the searching.
Don't be so utterly ridiculous.
They searched the area where a three year old could have wandered.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: stephen25000 on February 26, 2014, 09:30:15 AM
Kate says they are working really hard trying to get Madeleine back but not by physically searching?
That John is precisely the point. Not only UNBELIEVABLE, also it was inexcusable.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: slartibartfast on February 26, 2014, 09:34:54 AM
So they search around 3.5 square miles in the hour they searched.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: John on February 26, 2014, 09:37:14 AM
It it had been my child I would have been out there every waking daylight hour and to heck with the police and reporters. Not the McCanns though? Very odd indeed? >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Lace on February 26, 2014, 09:44:24 AM
It it had been my child I would have been out there every waking daylight hour and to heck with the police and reporters. Not the McCanns though? Very odd indeed? >@@(*&)
So you would have told the police to go away when they wanted to question you then? I very much doubt it.
The thing is it has never happened to us, and though we would really like to think we would search and search even the area's that had already been searched, in reality, we would have to go through the procedure of police questioning, police station visits etc etc.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: stephen25000 on February 26, 2014, 09:50:32 AM
A parents natural reflex would be to search.
Contacting the police likewise, right from the start, not after a delay, after writing your timelines.
Neither prostrating yourself like mad mullahs in front of the local constabulary.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Lace on February 26, 2014, 09:50:44 AM
Well hmmm let's see... Praia da Luz and surrounds for starters and moving out slowly.
I bet Ben Needham's mum could show them how to do it and on a shoestring budget too.
Yes - and I can just imagine the comments if they were going back to PdL at every opportunity.
For instance:-
Why are they searching Pdl when they know the biggest search ever in the history of Portugal has been carried out there.
It's an insult to the locals and everyone else who searched.
It's just an excuse to have lots of free holidays.
What a disgusting waste of fund money.
Why are they leaving the twins so often - they're neglecting them.
------------ And on and on it would go - cos one thing is for certain - nothing they ever do or will ever do is right in some people's eyes. IMO.
Damned if they do and damned if they don't.
The advice from the experts in order to give a missing chld the best possible chance of being found is to keep the child's profile as high as possible in the public's mind for as long as possible. That is what the McCanns have done and it is what Ben Needham's mum does too.
In America at one time they used to put missing children's piccies on milk cartons - so that millions of people would see them every day.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Lace on February 26, 2014, 09:58:30 AM
Yes - and I can just imagine the comments if they were going back to PdL at every opportunity.
For instance:-
Why are they searching Pdl when they know the biggest search ever in the history of Portugal has been carried out there.
It's an insult to the locals and everyone else who searched.
It's just an excuse to have lots of free holidays.
What a disgusting waste of fund money.
Why are they leaving the twins so often - they're neglecting them.
------------ And on and on it would go - cos one thing is for certain - nothing they ever do or will ever do is right in some people's eyes. IMO.
Damned if they do and damned if they don't.
The advice from the experts in order to give a missing chld the best possible chance of being found is to keep the child's profile as high as possible in the public's mind for as long as possible. That is what the McCanns have done and it is what Ben Needham's mum does too.
In America at one time they used to put missing children's piccies on milk cartons - so that millions of people would see them every day.
8@??)( 8((()*/
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: stephen25000 on February 26, 2014, 09:59:02 AM
We also had the promise of not leaving PORTUGAL without MADELEINE.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: slartibartfast on February 26, 2014, 10:00:11 AM
Yes - and I can just imagine the comments if they were going back to PdL at every opportunity.
For instance:-
Why are they searching Pdl when they know the biggest search ever in the history of Portugal has been carried out there.
It's an insult to the locals and everyone else who searched.
It's just an excuse to have lots of free holidays.
What a disgusting waste of fund money.
Why are they leaving the twins so often - they're neglecting them.
------------ And on and on it would go - cos one thing is for certain - nothing they ever do or will ever do is right in some people's eyes. IMO.
Damned if they do and damned if they don't.
The advice from the experts in order to give a missing chld the best possible chance of being found is to keep the child's profile as high as possible in the public's mind for as long as possible. That is what the McCanns have done and it is what Ben Needham's mum does too.
In America at one time they used to put missing children's piccies on milk cartons - so that millions of people would see them every day.
To be perfectly honest, I would have found it a lot more understandable if they went back to PDL at every possible occasion and really got to know the area and the people and look and talk.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Benice on February 26, 2014, 10:00:38 AM
It it had been my child I would have been out there every waking daylight hour and to heck with the police and reporters. Not the McCanns though? Very odd indeed? >@@(*&)
Do you also think it ''very odd indeed'' that April Jones parents stayed at home - or that Sandy Richardson's mother did not search at all for her little boy?
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Lace on February 26, 2014, 10:04:04 AM
To be perfectly honest, I would have found it a lot more understandable if they went back to PDL at every possible occasion and really got to know the area and the people and look and talk.
How do you know they haven't ?
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Benice on February 26, 2014, 10:21:24 AM
To be perfectly honest, I would have found it a lot more understandable if they went back to PDL at every possible occasion and really got to know the area and the people and look and talk.
They did make friends in PdL- and Kate has been back several times. We don't know what she did whilst she was there. But of course, in some people's eyes, whatever it was - it will definitely be wrong.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Benice on February 26, 2014, 10:34:44 AM
We also had the promise of not leaving PORTUGAL without MADELEINE.
Of course that is how they would have felt - and I've no doubt Kerry Needham felt the same about leaving Kos. It's the natural reaction if your child has disappeared in a foreign country - to want to stay there. But circumstances change over time Stephen and it isn't a sin to have a change of mind in light of them.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Redblossom on February 26, 2014, 10:43:30 AM
They did make friends in PdL- and Kate has been back several times. We don't know what she did whilst she was there. But of course, in some people's eyes, whatever it was - it will definitely be wrong.
Meeting defamation lawyers and image consultants and doing tv interviews/book plugs in the main ....all under the umbrella of "the search" of course
eta
oops forgot, Gerry first returned early 2009 to make the documentary Madeleine was Here
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Lace on February 26, 2014, 10:56:26 AM
Ive never posted they should physically search in Portugal years after! At the time it might have been fruitful.....at least they did a whole hour of it next morning! Gosh! Why bother at all. Pffft
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Lace on February 26, 2014, 11:22:53 AM
Ive never posted they should physically search in Portugal years after! At the time it might have been fruitful.....at least they did a whole hour of it next morning! Gosh! Why bother at all. Pffft
I read the help notes a 'what to do if your child goes missing' a while back. Not for UK can't remember what country it was for.
They said, search for your child in the places you think she/he may be, now remember Madeleine went missing in a foreign country. It went on, this should take about an hour, then phone the police.
An hour is a long time when you are searching where a small child of almost three may have gone.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 26, 2014, 11:30:52 AM
They did make friends in PdL- and Kate has been back several times. We don't know what she did whilst she was there. But of course, in some people's eyes, whatever it was - it will definitely be wrong.
Do you really believe there's a conspiracy against the McCanns ?
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 26, 2014, 11:33:47 AM
I read the help notes a 'what to do if your child goes missing' a while back. Not for UK can't remember what country it was for.
They said, search for your child in the places you think she/he may be, now remember Madeleine went missing in a foreign country. It went on, this should take about an hour, then phone the police.
An hour is a long time when you are searching where a small child of almost three may have gone.
I'm sure any instruction concerning missing children says that abduction requires calling 112 immediately.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 26, 2014, 11:37:14 AM
I'm sure any instruction concerning missing children says that abduction requires calling 112 immediately.
Well you have to make sure they are actually 'missing' first Anne, that means searching the house and the surrounding area, otherwise they could just have wandered out.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: stephen25000 on February 26, 2014, 11:48:30 AM
Oh not back to that old chestnut again Eleanor, the poor dears cannot go out and search!!
Why they have never done it is because they are too full of their own importance. They or at least Gerry was more involved in his own vested interest and still is than soil his silky smooth consultants hands in a search for Madeleine. The truth is they abandoned Madeleine a very long time ago, the moment they thought they were about to be arrested they were out of there like scalded cats.
Get off your backsides Messrs McCann and go look for your daughter!!!!!
What a load of cobblers.
They did search. If you cannot imagine what parents who had found their child missing were going through then you must have a swinging brick.
Most of your post is full of what you think not of facts.
Go and search where? Do you know where she is?
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Redblossom on February 26, 2014, 12:20:14 PM
I read the help notes a 'what to do if your child goes missing' a while back. Not for UK can't remember what country it was for.
They said, search for your child in the places you think she/he may be, now remember Madeleine went missing in a foreign country. It went on, this should take about an hour, then phone the police.
An hour is a long time when you are searching where a small child of almost three may have gone.
This was done on the night by the group, nothing to do with a search the next day or any other day by the mccanns, protocols and advice have nothing to do with it, Im sure they hadnt read that by 6am may 4th!!
Still, Mrs Mccann complained, after all the searches and all the people taking time off work, that perhps if they had been better organised Madeleine may have been found! the ungrateful woman cant stop blaming and whinging! Can she?
8-)(--)
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Lace on February 26, 2014, 01:00:08 PM
This was done on the night by the group, nothing to do with a search the next day or any other day by the mccanns, protocols and advice have nothing to do with it, Im sure they hadnt read that by 6am may 4th!!
Still, Mrs Mccann complained, after all the searches and all the people taking time off work, that perhps if they had been better organised Madeleine may have been found! the ungrateful woman cant stop blaming and whinging! Can she?
8-)(--)
What I am saying is, an hour looking for a small child is quite a long time if you are looking in places where she could have wandered.
If who had been better organised Redblossom, the police? Maybe they were expecting the police to arrive early in the morning instead of later. Perhaps they were expecting the police to have done door to door questioning?
Why wasn't Mrs Fenn interviewed? she should have been one of the first.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 26, 2014, 03:46:32 PM
the ungrateful woman cant stop blaming and whinging! Can she?
Blaming and denying reveal better than anything how heavy is the burden of guilt.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: slartibartfast on February 26, 2014, 04:55:17 PM
What I am saying is, an hour looking for a small child is quite a long time if you are looking in places where she could have wandered.
As I posted, a 3 year old managed to wander a mile in snowy conditions, that is about 3.14 square miles . An hour is a very short time to search that amount of ground.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 26, 2014, 08:23:17 PM
The very first thing an Australian parent would've checked, is the pool.
Bodies of water are like magnets to small children.
Kate didn't even look, just burst out of the apartment with her Abductor Theory.
Poor Madeleine. Whereever she is, it's likely she's in a better place than with these two.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Mr Gray on February 26, 2014, 08:53:54 PM
As I posted, a 3 year old managed to wander a mile in snowy conditions, that is about 3.14 square miles . An hour is a very short time to search that amount of ground.
An extraordinarily determined child !
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 26, 2014, 09:03:35 PM
Mr Payne and Mr O'Brien checked the pool almost immediately.
Like I said, an Australian Parent (in this case, Kate) would check the pool BEFORE yelling about an abduction.
An Australian parent would never leave small children unattended with a pool between them, drowning is the no 1 cause of death of small children, at least it used to be before they tightened the laws.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 26, 2014, 09:29:58 PM
Like I said, an Australian Parent (in this case, Kate) would check the pool BEFORE yelling about an abduction.
An Australian parent would never leave small children unattended with a pool between them, drowning is the no 1 cause of death of small children, at least it used to be before they tightened the laws.
The pool wasn't in their garden, though they were sort of dining in their back garden. I'm not sure Madeleine would have gone to that area that she associated with daylight.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 27, 2014, 02:27:32 AM
Yes, it happened once. Do you know for which child ?
Eitan Patz
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Cariad on February 27, 2014, 10:39:58 AM
I've always found it strange that the Dr's Mccann didn't learn Portuguese. It would definitely have helped with the search and legal shenanigans in Portugal.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 27, 2014, 11:08:56 AM
I've always found it strange that the Dr's Mccann didn't learn Portuguese. It would definitely have helped with the search and legal shenanigans in Portugal.
Had they believed the Edgar team whose conclusion was that Madeleine was kept in a lair not far from PDL, they would have prepared themselves learning her new language. But they didn't believe, they likely had good reasons for that.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Estuarine on February 27, 2014, 12:30:38 PM
Had they believed the Edgar team whose conclusion was that Madeleine was kept in a lair not far from PDL, they would have prepared themselves learning her new language. But they didn't believe, they likely had good reasons for that.
Now I wonder what that could have been >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Carew on February 27, 2014, 12:46:29 PM
I've always found it strange that the Dr's Mccann didn't learn Portuguese. It would definitely have helped with the search and legal shenanigans in Portugal.
Apparently they did have plans to learn Portuguese.........I`m not sure how to put up links, but a section in "McCannfiles" called "reports pre-arguido" has a Sky News article..........I have tried to copy the relevant section.........(here goes!)
Madeleine's Parents In For The Long Haul Sky News
9:02am UK, Thursday July 12, 2007
Madeleine McCann's parents are learning Portuguese as they make plans for an indefinite stay in the country to continue the search for their daughter.
Gerry and Kate McCann, who recently moved out of their holiday complex into a more permanent flat, know they will be in Praia de Luz for the foreseeable future and think it is time to learn the language.
They do not want formal lessons and are learning from locals with whom they have become friendly while attending church.
The couple feel a knowledge of Portuguese would help their dealings with the police team hunting for Madeleine - as well as in their day-to-day living as they integrate more with the local community.
So far, they have learned a handful of everyday phrases but have also mastered "força" (meaning strength or power), "fé" (faith, belief) and "esperança" (hope, expectation).
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 27, 2014, 12:51:01 PM
Apparently they did have plans to learn Portuguese.........I`m not sure how to put up links, but a section in "McCannfiles" called "reports pre-arguido" has a Sky News article..........I have tried to copy the relevant section.........(here goes!)
Madeleine's Parents In For The Long Haul Sky News
9:02am UK, Thursday July 12, 2007
Madeleine McCann's parents are learning Portuguese as they make plans for an indefinite stay in the country to continue the search for their daughter.
Gerry and Kate McCann, who recently moved out of their holiday complex into a more permanent flat, know they will be in Praia de Luz for the foreseeable future and think it is time to learn the language.
They do not want formal lessons and are learning from locals with whom they have become friendly while attending church.
The couple feel a knowledge of Portuguese would help their dealings with the police team hunting for Madeleine - as well as in their day-to-day living as they integrate more with the local community.
So far, they have learned a handful of everyday phrases but have also mastered "força" (meaning strength or power), "fé" (faith, belief) and "esperança" (hope, expectation).
They should have tried learning "pesquisa" or "olhar"
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Estuarine on February 27, 2014, 01:00:02 PM
So you would have told the police to go away when they wanted to question you then? I very much doubt it.
The thing is it has never happened to us, and though we would really like to think we would search and search even the area's that had already been searched, in reality, we would have to go through the procedure of police questioning, police station visits etc etc.
I would most certainly do so once I was sure that they had sufficient information to pursue their efforts. If it had been my kid who had gone missing in the circumstances they describe the very first thing I would have done is grab a Portuguese speaker and have him or her call 911. Sending Mat down to reception should have been an afterthought and not a folly!
There was no need for the McCanns to have sat in their accommodation popping out intermittently to give an interview. At least one of them should have been pro active and out there spearheading the local effort. This would have paid dividends in the long run instead of the situation they now find themselves in.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Made
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 27, 2014, 01:14:42 PM
I would most certainly do so once I was sure that had sufficient information to pursue their efforts. If it had been my kid who had gone missing in the circumstances they describe the very first thing I would have done is grab a Portuguese speaker and have him or her call 911. Sending Mat down to reception should have been an afterthought.
I would have phoned them myself and stayed on the line until they put an English speaking operator on, which they no doubt would have had.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: John on February 27, 2014, 01:20:26 PM
To be perfectly honest, I would have found it a lot more understandable if they went back to PDL at every possible occasion and really got to know the area and the people and look and talk.
+2 8@??)(
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Luz on February 27, 2014, 01:27:58 PM
Let's take the 'nobody was searching' statement in the book.
The book was supposed to be a factual account of what happened.
Facts need to be checked.
It was widely reported in the aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance that local people and holidaymakers searched overnight and on subsequent days, both on news reports and in the media in general.
As far as I know the lie that only the Mccanns were searching has not been removed from the book, which was clearly a ploy to gain sympathy for the parents.
As to Amaral, he got the D.N.A. evidence wrong, no doubt about it, as it was inconclusive.
As to lying, have you ever met a person who has never lied in their lives ?
What book are you referring to?
The "madeleine" novel that Kate Healy allegedly wrote?
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: John on February 27, 2014, 01:28:44 PM
Do you also think it ''very odd indeed'' that April Jones parents stayed at home - or that Sandy Richardson's mother did not search at all for her little boy?
Yes, if it were 100% true.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 27, 2014, 01:29:48 PM
They didn't have to learn Portuguese for the most important thing to them as it is the same in English me me me
Yes, but you don't pronounce it the same !
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Luz on February 27, 2014, 01:33:09 PM
You are all very much into dissing a book that is totally funded by the, now, public police files, but seem oblivious about that other book that is but a bunch of lies and self excusing, written by the mother to, allegedly, offer the truth to her family (kids in particular), with sexual graphic referrences et al.
Title: Re: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?
Post by: Luz on February 27, 2014, 01:35:54 PM
To be perfectly honest, I would have found it a lot more understandable if they went back to PDL at every possible occasion and really got to know the area and the people and look and talk.