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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Wonderfulspam on October 31, 2013, 03:36:54 PM
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'these abductions'
Has there been many more?
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'these abductions'
Has there been many more?
Yep, there have been seven at 2 year intervals + one that failed just under 5 months before Madeleine was taken .... and that was only 18 miles (ish) away from PdL
They all fell in the north of Porto region, or in the PdL region . That is 300 miles apart, but each group is quite tiny.
In the pdl region just before Madeleine
... a failed abduction under 5 months before Madeleine was taken, of a pretty little 5 3 year old, blond haired girl called Carolina Santos was walked off in Silves
And that was just 18 miles away. Think about it!
2 years 4 months prior to Carolina, a fair haired pretty little seven year old girl, Joana Cipriano, was almost certainly taken from Figueira, just 7 miles away from PdL
So three pretty fair haired girls taken in a period of 2 years 8 months . All within a distance of 18 miles from PDL
THINK ABOUT IT ! Please
Please note all my measurements are normally crow flies and taken from Google Earth.
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Yep, there have been seven at 2 year intervals + one that failed just under 5 months before Madeleine was taken .... and that was only 18 miles (ish) away from PdL
They all fell in the north of Porto region, or in the PdL region . That is 300 miles apart, but each group is quite tiny.
In the pdl region just before Madeleine
... a failed abduction under 5 months before Madeleine was taken, of a pretty little 5 year old, blond haired girl called Carolina Santos was walked off in Silves
And that was just 18 miles away. Think about it!
2 years 4 months prior to Carolina, a fair haired pretty little seven year old girl, Joana Cipriano, was almost certainly taken from Figueira, just 7 miles away from PdL
So three pretty fair haired girls taken in a period of 2 years 8 months . All within a distance of 18 miles from PDL
THINK ABOUT IT ! Please
Please note all my measurements are normally crow flies and taken from Google Earth.
Why do you keep peddling this nonsense ?
Joana Cipriano was not 'almost certainly' taken from Figueira
She was murdered by her mother and uncle who are currently serving long prison sentences
You may believe that the convictions were unsafe, but you most certainly do not have evidence that proves, or even suggests, that the little girl was 'abducted'
Yet you persistantly present it as 'fact' ... why do you do that ?
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New thread
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Yep, there have been seven at 2 year intervals + one that failed just under 5 months before Madeleine was taken .... and that was only 18 miles (ish) away from PdL
sadie said 7 and gave 3 examples - I don't know but I am sure she will explain.
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just for info, some of the posts relating to this topic are sitting in the cipriano thread
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do they have a paedophile register ....?
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missing people
http://www.policiajudiciaria.pt/PortalWeb/page/%7B58602A80-7A63-4E46-9CAA-9F4A390B96C8%7D
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missing people
http://www.policiajudiciaria.pt/PortalWeb/page/%7B58602A80-7A63-4E46-9CAA-9F4A390B96C8%7D
yes I know about it thanks for posting it anyway....but they don't have a paedophile register >@@(*&)...well they didn't in 2007 ...
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If they had one, would it be likely to contain only the names of those convicted in Portugal?
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There was Rachel who was killed by micheal cook
He was beaten and hung from a window till he confessed
We have a mp in uk currently helping him .he was charged because someone saw him
Even though the car track marks from a car wasn't his car
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If they had one, would it be likely to contain only the names of those convicted in Portugal?
yes that's right ...hence why the police in uk supplied them with info on british paedo's living in Portugal ...
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There was Rachel who was killed by micheal cook
He was beaten and hung from a window till he confessed
We have a mp in uk currently helping him .he was charged because someone saw him
Even though the car track marks from a car wasn't his car
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199293/cmhansrd/1992-06-09/Debate-20.html
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http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199293/cmhansrd/1992-06-09/Debate-20.html
don't know where ive been lol ...ive never seen anything about this ...interesting though 8((()*/
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don't know where ive been lol ...ive never seen anything about this ...interesting though 8((()*/
He was released in 2002
"It is claimed that Cook was hung from an upstairs window by his feet, that his feet were beaten until he could not stand, that he was tied to a chair and beaten, that he was deprived of sleep and that a revolver was forced into his mouth and the trigger pulled in a mock execution."
The PJ also claimed Cook had a record as a paedophile, Spink went on. This, too, was "entirely bogus'. The trial judge had asked a PJ witness how he knew this: "The officer replied that someone, unnamed, had told him. The judge accepted that so-called 'evidence' as clear and unequivocal."
It emerged at the trial that while there was no forensic link between Rachel or her clothes and Cook's car, blood had been found under her fingernails - presumably that of her attacker. But when Cook's lawyers tried to obtain it to test it for DNA, they were told the samples had been "lost".
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-560696/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html#ixzz2jQ7abvKm
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Yep, there have been seven at 2 year intervals + one that failed just under 5 months before Madeleine was taken .... and that was only 18 miles (ish) away from PdL
They all fell in the north of Porto region, or in the PdL region . That is 300 miles apart, but each group is quite tiny.
In the pdl region just before Madeleine
... a failed abduction under 5 months before Madeleine was taken, of a pretty little 5 3 year old, blond haired girl called Carolina Santos was walked off in Silves
And that was just 18 miles away. Think about it!
2 years 4 months prior to Carolina, a fair haired pretty little seven year old girl, Joana Cipriano, was almost certainly taken from Figueira, just 7 miles away from PdL
So three pretty fair haired girls taken in a period of 2 years 8 months . All within a distance of 18 miles from PDL
THINK ABOUT IT ! Please
Please note all my measurements are normally crow flies and taken from Google Earth.
Thanks for showing how biased you are.
There was only one abduction and killing of a british girl, aged nine, by a family friend, nine years prior to the disappearance of Madeleine.
Joana Cipriano was murdered.
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Thanks for showing how biased you are.
There was only one abduction and killing of a british girl, aged nine, by a family friend, nine years prior to the disappearance of Madeleine.
Joana Cipriano was murdered.
And that young British girl wasn't abducted from bed.. but from the public space.
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He was released in 2002
"It is claimed that Cook was hung from an upstairs window by his feet, that his feet were beaten until he could not stand, that he was tied to a chair and beaten, that he was deprived of sleep and that a revolver was forced into his mouth and the trigger pulled in a mock execution."
The PJ also claimed Cook had a record as a paedophile, Spink went on. This, too, was "entirely bogus'. The trial judge had asked a PJ witness how he knew this: "The officer replied that someone, unnamed, had told him. The judge accepted that so-called 'evidence' as clear and unequivocal."
It emerged at the trial that while there was no forensic link between Rachel or her clothes and Cook's car, blood had been found under her fingernails - presumably that of her attacker. But when Cook's lawyers tried to obtain it to test it for DNA, they were told the samples had been "lost".
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-560696/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html#ixzz2jQ7abvKm
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thanks for this ...so the pj tortured him ..wonder how many other people they tortured >@@(*&)...maybe they should all come forward and blow the pj wide open ...
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He was released in 2002
"It is claimed that Cook was hung from an upstairs window by his feet, that his feet were beaten until he could not stand, that he was tied to a chair and beaten, that he was deprived of sleep and that a revolver was forced into his mouth and the trigger pulled in a mock execution."
The PJ also claimed Cook had a record as a paedophile, Spink went on. This, too, was "entirely bogus'. The trial judge had asked a PJ witness how he knew this: "The officer replied that someone, unnamed, had told him. The judge accepted that so-called 'evidence' as clear and unequivocal."
It emerged at the trial that while there was no forensic link between Rachel or her clothes and Cook's car, blood had been found under her fingernails - presumably that of her attacker. But when Cook's lawyers tried to obtain it to test it for DNA, they were told the samples had been "lost".
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-560696/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html#ixzz2jQ7abvKm
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Concerning the part of the article, which contains many falsehoods, about Michael Cook, it is incorrect when the author says that confessions are the most important part of evidence. During the dictatorship, they were but now, as I have already stated several times on this forum, only confessions made in front of the judge during the trial are considered valid. I don't believe that the man was taken to the court with soiled clothing, the judge would have noticed right away and his lawyer would have made a complaint. This man, IMO, is just another person who committed a crime and wants everyone to believe that he has been a victim of a miscarriage of justice.
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Concerning the part of the article, which contains many falsehoods, about Michael Cook, it is incorrect when the author says that confessions are the most important part of evidence. During the dictatorship, they were but now, as I have already stated several times on this forum, only confessions made in front of the judge during the trial are considered valid. I don't believe that the man was taken to the court with soiled clothing, the judge would have noticed right away and his lawyer would have made a complaint. This man, IMO, is just another person who committed a crime and wants everyone to believe that he has been a victim of a miscarriage of justice.
There was no evidence at all blood from whoever under Rachel's nails .the wrong tyre tracks etc
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Concerning the part of the article, which contains many falsehoods, about Michael Cook, it is incorrect when the author says that confessions are the most important part of evidence. During the dictatorship, they were but now, as I have already stated several times on this forum, only confessions made in front of the judge during the trial are considered valid. I don't believe that the man was taken to the court with soiled clothing, the judge would have noticed right away and his lawyer would have made a complaint. This man, IMO, is just another person who committed a crime and wants everyone to believe that he has been a victim of a miscarriage of justice.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199293/cmhansrd/1992-06-09/Debate-20.html
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Re the Michael Cook story, I fail to see how it connects to the Madeleine case.....and why people bring it up at all over and above any other case
I came across this piece which makes interesting reading for anyone interested....how much is true or false, no idea
http://www.nickdavies.net/1993/08/01/kidnap-murder-and-justice-in-the-algarve/
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There was no evidence at all blood from whoever under Rachel's nails .the wrong tyre tracks etc
Yes and also that untimely accident.
Cook's lawyers were said to be pushing for the release of a television video report which allegedly showed police beating Cook. Those lawyers were involved in a tragic accident involving a front tyre blow-out which, incidentally, it is claimed has never been properly investigated by the police. In that untimely accident, Dr. da Silva was killed and Dr. Coelho was severely injured.
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Re the Michael Cook story, I fail to see how it connects to the Madeleine case.....and why people bring it up at all over and above any other case
I came across this piece which makes interesting reading for anyone interested....how much is true or false, no idea
http://www.nickdavies.net/1993/08/01/kidnap-murder-and-justice-in-the-algarve/
I read that piece earlier. If it's true, it's worrying.
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Nick Davies was responsible for uncovering the News of the World phone hacking affair for the Guardian concerning Milly Dowler.
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Nick Davies was responsible for uncovering the News of the World phone hacking affair for the Guardian concerning Milly Dowler.
and look where its got coulson and brookes today!Not looking good.
Miscarriages happenin many many countries....just because they may have done in Portugal in the past doesnt necessarily mean as many reckon the mccanns were being fitted up!
Going back to the OP,if anyone wants to do a search on the word abductions and the user ID Sadie, you will find a range of posts regarding these in Portugal....alledgedly from 1991 to 2007...I found one post when looking through detailing names, then pc crashed, before I could copy it, and I couldnt be bothered to trawl through again......
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What's going on here?
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What's going on here?
spamming.
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What's going on here?
spamming.
This was going on last night too. It's really very annoying.
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It's called diversion tactics.
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Concerning the part of the article, which contains many falsehoods, about Michael Cook, it is incorrect when the author says that confessions are the most important part of evidence. During the dictatorship, they were but now, as I have already stated several times on this forum, only confessions made in front of the judge during the trial are considered valid. I don't believe that the man was taken to the court with soiled clothing, the judge would have noticed right away and his lawyer would have made a complaint. This man, IMO, is just another person who committed a crime and wants everyone to believe that he has been a victim of a miscarriage of justice.
According to this extract from Barra da Costa though, Leonor and João Cipriano didn't confess during the trial.
A PJ fez um vídeo, durante as investigações, para reconstituir o crime. Neste filme, João descreveu o crime com detalhes brutais. O vídeo foi exibido no último dia de julgamento. Mas as palavras de João não tinham qualquer valor, já que ele e Leonor tinham optado por não prestar declarações em julgamento.
http://www.asmeninasquevieramdasestrelas.com/juridica.html
I realise that the lawyer's site is controversial, but would Barra da Costa misrepresent the facts of the original trial?
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Why my link to missing children in Portugal has been deleted?
Is it that someone in here doesn't like people to know how many missing children are in Portugal?
http://minnea.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/portugal-dangerous-place-for-children.html
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Probably because its a naff biased and conspiracy theory laden blog......full of rubbish....and therefore not an impartial source for anything much at all...some of their articles are beyond belief....As for your last sentence, thats paranoic IMO
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What has happened to René Hasee and to other children missing in Portugal:
During a vacation 6 year old René disappeared on the 19th June 1996 about 6pm on the beach of Amoreiras close to Aljezur (Portugal).
It is shocking to realize how many children have snatched in Portugal. Non-family abductions are usually rare and Portugal is small country, but in Portugal there is several of them.
These children, many of them now adults, if still alive, were never seen again by their loved ones. And they need closure. They deserve to know what happened to their sons and daughters, who were snatched from their simple and normal lives.
Jorge Sepúlveda: missing since 15/08/1991 - 14 years old in 1991 ;disappeared from Massarelos, Porto. Jorge has a brown birth mark near his navel.
Cláudia Alexandra Silva e Sousa: missing since 13/05/1994 - 7 years old in 1994; disappeared from her hometown in Oleiros - Vila Verde. The child has a 10 cm scar in her right thigh, a scar in her lower lip and another in a finger.
João Teles: missing since 06/10/1998 - 16 years old in 1998; disappeared from Câmara dos Lobos, Madeira.
Rui Pedro Mendonça: missing since 04/03/1998 - 11 years old in 1998; taken from his town of Lousada. It is now believed that this child was taken abroad and is in the in the hands of a pedophile network. For further information: http://www.ruipedro.net
Rui Pereira: missing since 02/03/1999 - 13 years old in 1999; a boy from Vila Nova Famalicão. Rui has a small scar near his left eye, a scar between his upper lip and his right nostrel and a big birth mark on his back.
Sofia Oliveira: missing since 22/02/2004 - 2 years old in 2004: kidnapped from her mother's home, in Câmara dos Lobos, Madeira. Her father took her without her mother's knowledge and somehow the child got lost after that.
Joana Cipriano: missing since September 2004 - 8 years old in 2004; last seen in Portimão, Algarve.
Tatiana Mendes or Odete Freman or Odete Frima: missing since May 2005 - 7 years old in 2005; she was "adopted" by a couple with her mother's acceptance. She travelled to Portugal in May 2004, however a year later her adopting mother said that the young girl was given to another person and that, still in the year 2004, the girl had died in a traffic accident somewhere in the area of Badajoz/Espanha.
Ana Santos: missing since 15/06/2005 - 15 years old in 2005; last seen in Montijo, Setúbal.
Sara Raquel Pinho Reis: missing since 23/02/2007 - 17 years old in 2007; disappeared from her hometown in Trofa - Porto.
Madeleine Beth Mccann: missing since 03/05/2007 - 4 years old in 2007; disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Lagos,Portugal.
Rita Marques Cardoso Santos: missing since 01/08/2007 - 16 years old in 2007; She was last seen in the area of Chelas - Lisbon.
Pamela Matias Santos: missing since 23/09/2007 - 17 years old in 2007; disappeared from Santarém.
Jacira Rocha Gomes: missing since 23/11/2007 - 17 years old in 2007; the missing girl studies in the 8º grade of the secondary school D. Luísa de Gusmão, in the area of Penha de França, Lisbon. There were sightings in Moita, Vale de Amoreira e Cidade Sol, no Barreiro.
Rebeca dos Anjos Cardoso missing since 23/03/2008 - 15 years old in 2008; Lost nearby Massamá Sintra. Wear at the time,denim trousers and white pullover.
But here are not all missing children, according to Instituto de Apoio à Criança in 2006 disappeared in Portugal 31 children. Of these 31 cases, five were of children under the age of six and 17 related to children between the ages of 11 and 15, with 54 per cent of children going missing from the Lisbon area along. Unfortunately, only 24 of the 31 missing children have so far been found and two of those were found already dead.
http://www.portugalresident.com/portugalresident/showstory.asp?ID=19001
That means there is still 7 missing children disappeared in 2006, but who they are? No names, no images?
"Sadly, reported cases of missing children have increased since the SOS phone line was created in 1988."
But Instituto de Apoio à Criança tells us not anymore how many children is missing in Portugal, because there is new organization for this: Portuguese Association for Missing Children and leader of this organization is Paulo Pereira Cristovao:. This same man who together with Amaral fabricated unbelievable lies (paedo-tom-tom) against Madeleine's parents, was one of the Joanas mother's assaulters and wrote books about Joana and Madeleine.
HEAD of Portugal's new foundation for missing children:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-501093/McCanns-arrested-abandoning-Madeleine-missing-childrens-boss-says.html
Increasing of disappearances of children reminds me what happened before Casa Pia scandal broke.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/27/childprotection.uk
"Investigators from the Swiss-based Innocence in Danger group, which claims children regularly disappear from the poorer streets of Portuguese towns and cities, say they too have been harassed and threatened."
Casa Pia scandal broke in September 2002 half year after Barroso's party Social Democratic Party ousted the socialists in March 2002, he promised to bring life and honor back into the Casa Pia child's homes and allow new director Catalina Pestana reform to the institution. As a result, several senior staff of Casa Pia were fired after the 2002 revelations.
But when the Socialists got to the power again 2005 (Most of Casa Pia abusers were linked in Socialist Party) they began to advocate the Casa Pia charges down and they relaxed law, ahead of the forthcoming Casa Pia trial (if it never comes), what means that repeat offences against the same child would merit only a single charge - and a lesser sentence. Most of men linked in Casa Pia scandal (Carlos Cruz, known in Portugal as "Mr. Television"; Manuel Abrantes, a former director of Casa Pia; Joao Ferreira Diniz, a doctor at Casa Pia; Jorge Ritto, a former ambassador to UNESCO; Hugo Marcal, Carlos Silvino's former attorney; Eduardo Ferro Rodrigues, Portugal's Socialist Party leader; television talk show host Herman Jose; and Paulo Pedroso, a former Labour minister are free men now despite testimonies against them and abusers in Casa Pia orphanages still continues according to Catalina Pestana (Casa Pia II).
"The latest moves in both the McCann case and the Casa Pia investigation also come days after explosive ‘tell-all’ revelations in the weekend broadsheet newspaper Sol by retired Casa Pia director Catalina Pestana, in which she claimed sexual abuses of minors within the state-run establishment for orphans and children at risk were “still going on”.
http://portugalresident.com/portugalresident/showstory.asp?ID=22176
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TUESDAY, DECEMBER 14, 2010
Unless extraordinary action is taken Madeleine McCann will not be found
The World Report Agency Intelligence Information on the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann
The title of this writing was chosen to point out at an important piece of information related to the kidnapping and disappearance of Madeleine McCann on May 3, 2007 in Portugal.
The intelligence report is dated September 20, 2008 and it includes information on paedophilia, child abuse, and "snuff" movies that take place regularly at different locations within Belgium under the auspices and financing by high ranking officials at the European Commission [EC] with headquarters in Brussels. The portion of the 37-page report that focus on the case is published at www.worldreports.org under the heading "Madeleine McCann and the European Commission paedophile scandal" at page 23. The report states in part this:
[...] "It was confirmed on August 7, 2007 by the Metropolitan Police of London that Madeleine McCann was abducted on orders by a paedophile organisation based in Belgium. We have been informed that the way this depraved activity operates is by the 'client' receiving three photographs of different children who chooses one and is then provided with the child to meet his depraved requirements. The individual who selected Madeleine McCann is a high ranking official at the European Commission in Brussels, and his name has been reported to this service."
At that point in the report the Editor had decided not to reveal the identity of the EC official but later that position was changed and this was added:
"Late insertion: The Editor had intended to withhold the identity of the European Commission official concerned. However, in light of the threat and given that in these circumstances the lapse of time between the threat and exposure that must be minimised, we have been forced to reveal the name of the official concerned. His hereby shamed name is Jose Manuel Barroso, President of the European Commission."
The report continues by informing the reader that the paedophile and abduction ring is actually run out of the EC itself. The report says also that "all those concerned must be aware of the consequences by further exposing this matter as it would compromise perverted politicians in the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Belgium, the UK, as well as in the corrupt European Union rotten structures."
Considering the source, the report does not appear to be something that was made up out of one's lunatic imagination and should not be ignored, in particular the confirmation by the Metropolitan Police of London. Additionally, you probably know that there are many unqualified individuals who spend time at computers writing and publishing on the Internet all sorts of material without having real knowledge of the subject, or training as professional journalists. This is one negative aspect of the Internet that can blur the credentials of those who are true professionals of non-conventional news and information based on intelligence investigation methods.
The World Reports Agency is not the average reporting source that you can find in the news published or broadcast on conventional controlled media. In fact, the Agency works totally independent from the controlled media whose function is either distorting the truth or tell blatant lies. In contrast with this fact, the Agency's area of speciality is to collect highly sensitive knowledge supplied to them by insiders working on their behalf who leaked the information to be thoroughly processed for accuracy before making it public. What can you say about a professional investigative agency on whose intelligence advice the British government had reliance on for years? The investigation after Christopher Story's death in mysterious circumstances has revealed some aspects related to the methods used by the Agency under his leadership, and it is this information that is making the bulk of the weight with regards to the involvement behind the scenes, of those mentioned in the report as being ultimately responsible for the kidnapping and disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Why isn't the report taken seriously by those concerned? One possible answer to this question might be that some people probably think that Christopher Story was trying to gain notoriety, recognition, or even "stardom" status in a famous case, but none of these apply to this professional who was most likely concerned at the time with exposing the evil and corruption inside the EC than with Madeleine McCann. In fact, the report does not necessarily concentrate on her only but provides a link into the dark and terrifying evil world of the EC and by extension, the illuminati-controlled European Union corruption and wickedness at all levels. We believe that the report by the World Reports Agency in connection with the kidnapping case of Madeleine McCann to be true. So assuming hypothetically that the report is true and accurate, it wouldn't be too difficult to understand why so many obstacles apparently created to thwart the efforts to find the truth, popped up all the time since the beginning of this hideous and heinous ordeal in what seems to be, an attempt to cover up and protect those high-level officials directly or indirectly responsible for the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann on May 3, 2007 in Praia da Luz, Portugal.
Independent from what real progress -if any- has been or is being made by the private investigators working on the case, there are reasons to believe that unless extraordinary measures are used as tactics or methods in the search for Madeleine, the possibility of not finding her is high and real, if considering the valid theory that prominent officials are involved in her abduction while hiding behind the scenes. This means that everything and everyone that is part of the structure that make up the system is or will be on the side of those the Agency reported as being ultimately responsible for her kidnapping and present captivity, if she is still alive. We insist that conventional methods will not work considering all the vital elements that make up the evidence on the case, including what is being denied to the private investigators by the government on the basis of being "too sensitive" to be disclosed. It doesn't take an expert to figure out why important evidence is being withheld under the guise of being "too sensitive." They are protecting the paedophiles that are overwhelmingly great in numbers in all branches of government! This is really what is important to them and not the children who are the victims of their sick perversion.
We know there are individuals in the Portuguese officialdom and in the Portuguese prison system that could have vital information on who planned and executed the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann on orders by leaders of a criminal organisation based in Belgium, but with presence in Portugal. We don't know at this point exactly who they are but have ideas on who they might be. What we would need to do is get hold of them and force the information out by any means necessary. This is the only way to obtain key information on who kidnapped Madeleine McCann, for what purpose, on behalf of whom, and where was she taken to after the abduction. Conventional investigation methods are a spinning wheel that will not work in this case due to its nature, which includes a very possible connection with previous child abductions in specific areas of Portugal with similar modus operandi traits suggesting the link.
Other abduction cases
Back in 2009 we participated in a forum that supports the McCann family and came across information related to the geographical areas of Portugal where almost all child abductions took place at least since the early 1990s. We took the information, analyze it thoroughly and verified the authenticity by consulting every newspaper where the news or information on each case was published, and after months of continuous and intensive work, we were satisfied that the information provided by the participant in the forum was true. According to the participant, with the exception of two on the Island of Madeira, all other child abductions within Portugal took place in and around the areas of Oporto [North] and Praia da Luz [South] only.
The list of kidnappings in the North of Portugal includes the following:
- Jorge Sepulveda, a boy age 10, abducted in April 1991 in the Massareles area near Oporto.
- Claudia Alexandra Silva de Sousa, a girl age 7, abducted in May 1994 in the Vila Verde area around Oporto.
- Rui Pedro, a boy age 12, abducted in March 1998 in the Lousada area near Oporto.
- Rui Pereira, a boy age 12, abducted in February 1999 in Nova Vila da Famalicao, around the Oporto area.
The list of kidnappings in the South of Portugal includes the following:
- Rene Hasee, a boy age 6 and citizen of Germany, abducted in June 1996 while on the Amoreiras beach near-by the Atlantic Coast.
- Joanna Cipriano, a girl age 7, abducted in 2004 in Figueira, located 7 miles from Praia da Luz.
- Carolina Santos, a girl age 3, attempted abduction in Silves during 2006.
- Madeleine McCann, a girl age 3, British citizen, abducted on May 3, 2007 in Praia da Luz.
None of the victims listed above were found which supports the theory that child abductions in Portugal are irreversible. Besides abductions there were also murders of children in Portugal for different reasons and at different times but all in the same areas of the country. Meanwhile, the participant informed also that the City of Funchal in Madeira is known internationally as child prostitution "supermarket," where rich tourists travelling in their private yachts, very frequently stop by to "purchase" a child that may be available for sale by criminal organisations openly and with the knowledge of the police operating there. Child porn videos and "snuff" [murder] movies featuring stolen children are also made for profit at different locations within the Island. Madeleine could have been taken to Madeira since it is believed that she was taken out the Praia da Luz area by sea.
In addition to the above, hard core paedophile Carlos "Bibi" Silvino who is well known for his role in the biggest corruption and perversion scandal in the history of contemporary Portugal known as "Casa Pia," is now serving a prison term for his crimes against hundreds of innocent children at the orphanage where he worked as caretaker. The available records show that "Bibi" was in charge of transporting children to be abused from the orphanage to luxurious homes located in districts where only rich neighbours lived; the trips where made to places within Lisbon as well as to other areas outside the Portuguese mainland, including Madeira for which the sea transport provided to carry children, was under his direct supervision and responsibility to deliver them to be abused. Considering his criminal background as a hard core paedophile, and close association with high-ranking individuals in government, he should be a subject of interest to the investigators working on the case of Madeleine McCann. What he knows, make him a source of information regarding the location of places where kidnapped children in Portugal may be taken to according to plans. He is also very likely to know who is involved in child abduction and abuse in Portugal and their mysterious disappearance as in the case of Madeleine McCann.
argiz@europe.com
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Lorry driver Afonso Dias has been convicted of kidnapping Rui Pedro (pictured), a boy who went missing from Lousada, northern Portugal, in 1998, and sentenced to three years and six months in prison.
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The list of kidnappings in the South of Portugal includes the following:
- Rene Hasee, a boy age 6 and citizen of Germany, abducted in June 1996 while on the Amoreiras beach near-by the Atlantic Coast.
Abducted?
- Joanna Cipriano, a girl age 7, abducted in 2004 in Figueira, located 7 miles from Praia da Luz.
Dead.
- Carolina Santos, a girl age 3, attempted abduction in Silves during 2006.
Not actually abducted then.
- Madeleine McCann, a girl age 3, British citizen, abducted on May 3, 2007 in Praia da Luz.
No evidence of abduction.
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The list of kidnappings in the South of Portugal includes the following:
- Rene Hasee, a boy age 6 and citizen of Germany, abducted in June 1996 while on the Amoreiras beach near-by the Atlantic Coast.
Abducted?
- Joanna Cipriano, a girl age 7, abducted in 2004 in Figueira, located 7 miles from Praia da Luz.
Dead.
- Carolina Santos, a girl age 3, attempted abduction in Silves during 2006.
Not actually abducted then.
- Madeleine McCann, a girl age 3, British citizen, abducted on May 3, 2007 in Praia da Luz.
No evidence of abduction.
(according to new investigation team there is evidence) The police told the world couple of weeks back
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There needs to be differentitation between stranger abduction, familial abduction, death by stranger or family and missing because of running away eg...they also clump together all sorts of ages....it is just not true to say that Portugal is a dangerous place for children because so many are snatched! The inference though being, but not fact,by strangers...and their stats being anyhigher than any other country...
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According to this extract from Barra da Costa though, Leonor and João Cipriano didn't confess during the trial.
A PJ fez um vídeo, durante as investigações, para reconstituir o crime. Neste filme, João descreveu o crime com detalhes brutais. O vídeo foi exibido no último dia de julgamento. Mas as palavras de João não tinham qualquer valor, já que ele e Leonor tinham optado por não prestar declarações em julgamento.
http://www.asmeninasquevieramdasestrelas.com/juridica.html
I realise that the lawyer's site is controversial, but would Barra da Costa misrepresent the facts of the original trial?
According to independent newspaper reports neither confessed at the trial
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(according to new investigation team there is evidence) The police told the world couple of weeks back.
Well it must be true then.
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I do apologise kazcutt ... I cocked up a couple of your posts .... 8()-000(
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(according to new investigation team there is evidence) The police told the world couple of weeks back.
Well it must be true then.
Why would the pj/sy lie
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Why would the pj/sy lie
they didn't
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Well imustpointout sadie has been online since you posted this reply so I guess she's not going to explain.
so? Did you ask her?
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Ergo there has only been one 'alleged' abduction on the algarve during the time frame sadie quoted i.e. that of Madeleine McCann !
Mari Luz Cortes has some similarities...not far away in spain
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According to this extract from Barra da Costa though, Leonor and João Cipriano didn't confess during the trial.
A PJ fez um vídeo, durante as investigações, para reconstituir o crime. Neste filme, João descreveu o crime com detalhes brutais. O vídeo foi exibido no último dia de julgamento. Mas as palavras de João não tinham qualquer valor, já que ele e Leonor tinham optado por não prestar declarações em julgamento.
http://www.asmeninasquevieramdasestrelas.com/juridica.html
I realise that the lawyer's site is controversial, but would Barra da Costa misrepresent the facts of the original trial?
We have been assured that a confession cannot be used in a Portuguese Court even if witnessed by the Police, unless the person agrees to it during a trial. This did sound wrong to me. Any cite for admission of confessions?
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According to this extract from Barra da Costa though, Leonor and João Cipriano didn't confess during the trial.
A PJ fez um vídeo, durante as investigações, para reconstituir o crime. Neste filme, João descreveu o crime com detalhes brutais. O vídeo foi exibido no último dia de julgamento. Mas as palavras de João não tinham qualquer valor, já que ele e Leonor tinham optado por não prestar declarações em julgamento.
http://www.asmeninasquevieramdasestrelas.com/juridica.html
I realise that the lawyer's site is controversial, but would Barra da Costa misrepresent the facts of the original trial?
I followed this link, Carana, and I found this :
comprova-se pois a brutalmente negligente (para não dizer pior) investigação policial quando se sabe, como já explanado no ponto 19 destes articulados, que o então responsável pelas investigações da Polícia Judiciária, Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral, nunca encetou diligências, apropriadas e em tempo útil, de investigação com vista a esclarecer o que verdadeiramente sucedeu à menina Joana Isabel Cipriano Guerreiro, tendo inclusivamente desprezado todas as pistas que também apontavam para que João Manuel Domingos Cipriano tivesse, ele e apenas ele, assassinado a criança e deitado o seu corpo num dos contentores de lixo da aldeia da Figueira; possibilidade esta que o então Coordenador Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral sempre negligenciou sem qualquer razão plausível conhecida, tendo apenas ordenado a verificação do aterro sanitário de Porto Lagos duas semanas depois do desaparecimento da menina, quando era já manifestamente impossível proceder a buscas nas milhares e milhares de toneladas de lixo entretanto acumuladas, misturadas, compactuadas e enterradas no subsolo (conforme folhas 267, 268 e 269 do 1º Volume dos autos).
which means
Is proved here the very neglecting (not to say worse) police investigation when one knows, as explained in point 19 of this exposition, that the responsible for the PJ investigation, Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral, never launched diligences, appropriate and in time, in order to clarify what really happened to Joana Isabel Cipriano Guerreiro, having also despised all the leads that pointed to João Manuel Domingos Cipriano as the unique murderer of the child, who dropped her body in one of the bins in Figueira, a possibility that the coordinator Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral always neglected without any plausible reason, as he only ordered to check the landfill of Porto Lagos two weeks after the disappearance of the little girl, when it was obviously impossible to proceed to searches in the thousands of tons of garbage meanwhile accumulated, mixed up, compacted and buried in the ground.
Strange, very strange.
Didn't this Barra da Costa suggest they were swingers ?
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Another similarity that the mccann's were accused of.. >@@(*&) swinging must be the in thing in Portugal is it.
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Another similarity that the mccann's were accused of.. >@@(*&) swinging must be the in thing in Portugal is it.
Have no idea about the McCanns, but back in 2007, if you entered swinger and Portugal into Google, the first listing was for Mark Warner at PDL. I imagine it has been 'cleansed' by now.