Slaughter At The Farm: Countdown To Murder will be shown on Channel 5 on November 14th. at 9pm.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2492365/Jeremy-Bambers-father-sixth-sense-shot-just-days-adopted-son-murdered-entire-family.html#ixzz2k4tTpbn1 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2492365/Jeremy-Bambers-father-sixth-sense-shot-just-days-adopted-son-murdered-entire-family.html#ixzz2k4tTpbn1)
An earlier appearance on Bamber: The New Evidence... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i2CjYDJGTo&feature=youtu.be&t=6m50s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i2CjYDJGTo&feature=youtu.be&t=6m50s)
Thanks for this, Myster. Thank goodness for Barbara. But I just can't get revved up to give a toss about Bamber now, since we solved the case.
I watched the Countdown To Murder when it was Jane Andrews. The Cressmans lived in the next lane to us, and Tom's brother still runs a really nice hotel. The Cressmans, like the Bambers, are a really decent family.
I've said this before, but it really is time that Mike pisses or gets off the pot. According to him, he has 2 pieces of evidence that will free Bamber. Never mind Cometh the Time.....get your little short arse into gear and produce your goodies. He's fifty f..king three, and he's up for another Christmas of mushy sprouts and a severe bumming in the showers. Get him out, if you can.
So why don't you?
I've said this before, but it really is time that Mike pisses or gets off the pot. According to him, he has 2 pieces of evidence that will free Bamber. Never mind Cometh the Time.....get your little short arse into gear and produce your goodies. He's fifty f..king three, and he's up for another Christmas of mushy sprouts and a severe bumming in the showers. Get him out, if you can.
So why don't you?
Hohoho such a way with words Shona. I would imagine you have reduced a few grown men to tears over the years 8(0(*
Haven't previously heard about JB circling/taunting June whilst riding her bike. Or leaving a bag of rats in her car.It's only hearsay... but it corrects the even bigger bullsh*t hearsay that he loved his family so much put out by his own official site and blog.
Thank you for the links Myster 8((()*/ Very interesting. Should get the fails up 8)--))
I recall from my 'Blue' days a certain poster repeatedly stating that Mrs Wilson said she preferred Jeremy to her own son 8-)(--) No idea where this came from but I've certainly not seen/heard anything to this effect.
It does rather beg the question does it not that if Nevill feared for his life and that of the family at Jeremy's hand why he would not have locked all the weaponry away?
According to Mrs Wilson Nevill was short when she phoned around 9.30pm:
COA DOC '02
23. Barbara Wilson, the farm secretary telephoned the farmhouse at 9.30 p.m. and spoke to Nevill Bamber. He was not cheerful and Mrs Wilson thought she had interrupted an argument. In evidence she described Nevill as abrupt, very impatient and very short. Pamela Boutflour, June Bamber's sister also telephoned the house that evening at about 10 p.m. She spoke first with Sheila Caffell who was quiet and then to her sister. Mrs Boutflour noted nothing unusual in her sister's mood or in their conversation.
Yep, all these 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( ... but she's only been faithful to BT. 8(0(*
At long last, now I know what you look like... cough, cough !
The catch-up documentary might be shown in the day(s) following transmission... I'm thinking here of abs if she can't receive the broadcast abroad, and if she's lurking around the forum, although Channel 5 could decide to trim it down to just a 20 second trailer unfortunately, like the Dennis Nilsen one.
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A similar case to that of the Bambers, involving parricide for inheritance by Roderick Newall makes interesting viewing. The long pre-advert though is a pain in the a*se... http://www.channel5.com/shows/countdown-to-murder/episodes/the-butcher-boy (http://www.channel5.com/shows/countdown-to-murder/episodes/the-butcher-boy)
What is it about some loopy floozies who look through mud-spattered spectacles at convicted murderers ?... last sentence quote - "Despite his notoriety, Newall received hundreds of letters from female admirers after his arrest and conviction"... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-410320/Man-murdered-parents-1million-inheritance-set-leave-jail.html#ixzz2k9qY4cMh (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-410320/Man-murdered-parents-1million-inheritance-set-leave-jail.html#ixzz2k9qY4cMh)
His former Sandhurst army mates have written about him including one Shonapugs-flavoured post, jolly good show, what, what, what !... http://www.arrse.co.uk/intelligence-cell/205506-roderick-newall.html
Yeayea, lurking all right. ?>)()< Thank you so much for thinking about me. Hug
Sounds like the poster was mistaking Mrs.Wilson for Julie's mother, Mary Mugford. Mary appeared in the witness box and said, quote - 'Jeremy disliked his mother intensely and I felt he was more affectionate towards me. He used to call me "Mummy" all the time'.... etc. (Wilkes, pages 220-221)
Nevill bought his son the Anschutz.22 in the Autumn of 1984, although it was never licensed to Jeremy. As with all the firearms and ammunition at WHF, it wasn't secured. The arguments between father and son may only have reached a climax in the few days leading up to the murders, so perhaps Nevill gave his son benefit of the doubt (re. Robert Boutflour's testimony that Jeremy said he could kill anybody, even his parents, [Wilkes, pg. 197]) and trusted him between the previous Autumn and that fateful Wednesday.
If weaponry had been locked up, what was to stop a determined Jeremy finding/copying the key(s), removing the rifle, relocking the cupboard, then secreting it somewhere in the farmyard outbuildings ready for use the night before ?
No I got the distinct impression the poster was referring to BW. I know BW has at least one son. Not sure about MM. Does JM have any siblings?
Is there any firm evidence NB and JB argued anymore than many young men/sons do with their fathers especially those that work together?
We only have RB's word that JB made the comment re his parents and even if he did say it what was meany by it? It seems rather strange that if he was planning the murders he would make such a statement to a close relative.
I believe BW worked for NB for 8 years prior to the tragedy. Throughout this period SC was based in London. As such BW's understanding of SC her illness and troubles would have been very limited.
It strikes me that NB was a very easy-going, calm and good tempered type. The fact BW stated when she phoned @ 9.30pm he was abrupt, impatient, and short sounds out of character. She also states she felt she had interrupted an argument. I believe as JB said his parents were trying to enter into discussion with SC re welfare of the twins and/or trying to entice her away from London and back to Essex. I accept the latter is just my own thoughts.
Sunday Times Culture magazine, re: Slaughter At The Farm.
"..........Bamber made one crucial error in his attempt to conceal his crime."
Only one? >@@(*&)
Well, it was what it was. Some mistakes, and I doubt if it will be up for a BAFTA, but Barbara Wilson was excellent, again.
Mushy sprouts. Nom nom nom.
Well well! Some new revelations and a pile of errors...8 out of 10 for Channel 5.
That's the first time we have heard that Nevile and June really knew who was behind the Osea caravan park break in. I can understand the shame they must have felt about it all, to realise that the boy they had reared could have turned into such a monster.
I totally agree about Barbara Wilson. She was excellent and came out with things she has never publicly said before. The rats in the car was an eye opener...as was the absolute dread Nevile had for his own life. I wonder why Robert Boutflour wasn't interviewed this time?
Its a pity they got the whole Nevile was first assaulted in the kitchen thing so very wrong. We know of course from the distribution of the bullet casings that Nevile was initially shot in the bedroom and bled as he made his way downstairs where he was assaulted by Bamber using the rifle stock as a weapon. He was shot again in the kitchen and died of his wounds.
They also forgot to put the silencer in its box and hide it in the cupboard, naughty Ch5.
I suppose Ch5 have budget constraints like everyone else. Bamber must be incandescent with rage though as this docudrama only dealt with the facts and was so close to the truth for a change.
I believe Robert Boutflour passed away quite a while ago.
Yet they don't seem to be slim on the ground when there are hand-outs/favours to be had:This is the kind of stuff they come out with on "Blue." Deals made by Nevile when he was still alive 27 years ago and the terms of those deals are not our concern anymore than if we lend a family member money to buy a car. Nevile was equally as generous, if not more so, to Jeremy and Sheila.
Nevill purchasing land on behalf of Anne and Peter Eaton for re-purchase at a later date. Interest compound or simple >@@(*&)
Nevill gifting 25% share of his late mother's property to Jackie Wood and Anthony Pargeter which he didn't have to do legally and lending them 25% each of a loan to renovate the property? Interest compound or simple >@@(*&)
8-)(--)
This is the kind of stuff they come out with on "Blue." Deals made by Nevile when he was still alive 27 years ago and the terms of those deals are not our concern anymore than if we lend a family member money to buy a car. Nevile was equally as generous, if not more so, to Jeremy and Sheila.
They are typical of deals between family members and probably even more so years ago in farming communities.
David Boutflour has spoken to the media briefly on the odd occasion but I'm not aware of other family members >@@(*&) They seem to be happy for others to take up the helm, particularly women eg Julie Mugford and Barbara Wilson >@@(*&) Oh yes and it was Julie Mugford who had the grisly task of identifying the victims >@@(*&)... only because Jeremy Bamber chickened out as he was too busy finding how much he was worth with his solicitors and accountants! 8((()*/
... only because Jeremy Bamber chickened out as he was too busy finding how much he was worth with his solicitors and accountants! 8((()*/
For a change, I would have liked D.Sgt. Stan Jones, the leading doubter of Jeremy Bamber's innocence, to give his account, other than D.I. Bob Miller, (wearing one of the best 40 spot [Name removed]-bows I've ever seen).
Simon McKay's latest tweet says he's a bit miffed at not being consulted... why should they do that ?.
His seriously flawed "Bamber:The New Evidence" gave Barbara Wilson only a paltry 14 second sound bite, when she deserved far more.
The balance has been redressed and about time too.
Channel 5 documentary Comments page - Hartley v Caroline + Roch + others... keep up the good work, Harters. 8((()*/
And the blues have been spitting feathers all day. (http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/890/9uk.gif)
Had to laugh at Bob Miller's party piece... opens jacket >>>>> points to pocket >>>>> "THAT'S ME, I'M THE BOSS !!!" (http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/890/9uk.gif)
He didn't even pretend to grieve, except when the cameras were on him (which he tried to record.) What a cock.
"I'm the Boss." Ho ho!! Boss of his bunk bed!! @)(++(*
And I'm enjoying the Channel 5 comments, too. I wonder what the "A" in Lookout's name stands for? I bet it's Agnes.
I believe Robert Boutflour passed away quite a while ago.
This is the kind of stuff they come out with on "Blue." Deals made by Nevile when he was still alive 27 years ago and the terms of those deals are not our concern anymore than if we lend a family member money to buy a car. Nevile was equally as generous, if not more so, to Jeremy and Sheila.
They are typical of deals between family members and probably even more so years ago in farming communities.
Yes, the programme was littered with errors, but it was interesting as people have said to have it confirmed that the Bambers knew Jeremy robbed the caravan park. I don't know if all Channel 5 documentaries have the same format (a recap after every ad break, because let's face it we all have the memory span of a goldfish don't we?). And when the narration said "Sheila brushed her teeth" was it really necessary to have a dramatisation of Sheila brushing her teeth? With a caption in the top corner saying "reconstruction"? You know, in case someone thought that this was actual footage of the event?I quite enjoyed the Bamber programme as it was fairly biased against him and showed him with mad eyes. Mind you I would not have liked to meet Sheila on a dark night either. The makeup for both was totally insane.
What I found particularly interesting was the psychologist, along with Barbara Wilson's interview definitely the best thing in a rather shoddy programme if I'm honest. He picked apart every aspect of Jeremy's behaviour before and after the murders and how this fits in with mindset of a psycopath which really does need to be pointed out. One thing I did find a bit odd was the Bob Miller interview and the one with PC Bews in which they both seemed to suggest that the rest of the force were fooled by Bamber but they weren't? Surely it's OK for them to admit they were fooled after all this time? The only officer not to be fooled was Stan Jones. And on a related note didn't DI Miller get a bit of a rebuke from the judge for his less than thorough forensic work on the day?
I also thought they made a mistake in the programme by suggesting that Neville was shot when he got downstairs, yes the casings on the landing and stairs suggest it was he was likely to have been shot upstairs. And if June was shot as she slept why was her body not found on the bed (they revealed later that her body was found on the floor)?
I must admit I find it odd that Julie had to identify the bodies, but to suggest Bamber didn't do it because he was grief stricken is pushing it a bit. It is a fact that he had gone to solicitors and accountants to discuss the inheritance instead. Thank goodness he wasn't too grief stricken to make sure he was getting his money eh? 8(0(*
Whoa what have I said to deserve such harsh criticism Outlook? I may not share your views on JB but please don't tar me with the same brush as many of those numpties on 'Blue'.I am not being harsh, merely pointing out that this is a common theme on "Blue". That dear little Jeremy was "discriminated against" at the expense of Sheila and other family.
Yes I agree I think all of the land purchase deal and the gifting and loaning to Jackie and Anthony was par for the course. What I object to is the idea that Jeremy should be treated differently. For example the witness statements of the relatives and Robert Boutflour's diaries paint a picture of Jeremy in some way being undeserving of any financial support provided by his parents eg the trip to the Antipodes. This appears to extend to Sheila too where Anne Eaton makes reference to the fact that Nevill and June financed things eg Sheila's modelling course, wedding etc. In any event this was and is typical of middle class families. In fact nowadays we even have 'the bank of mum and dad'.
I managed to make contact with the psychologist Dr David Holmes earlier today for a chat:
http://www.rihsc.mmu.ac.uk/staff/profile.php?surname=Holmes&name=David
He advised me that the programme was made several years ago or rather his input was supplied several years ago. I said I disagreed with his findings and asked why he had not considered other relevant aspects (eg those in above post). He said his research was all up-to-date at the time he provided his input and his area of specialism is biological psychology. I said I didn't think he was qualified to comment on the case and that I would report him to The British Psychological Society. At this point he flew into Mr Rage 8()(((@# 8()(((@# 8()(((@# mode and said I had no right to go behind his back. I said I have every right and I will be making a formal complaint. I said goodbye and put the phone down.
Ooops! It's an "E". Ethel.
I fail to see what he did wrong in the programme-he was obviously asked for his views on the case as an expert in criminal psychology. His points were all pertinent and made a lot of sense. They were one sided but then again so was the programme. No room for any of the B.S that Mark Williams-Thomas's programme in March last year was full of. Clearly everyone who goes to boarding school doesn't end up murdering their family so he wasn't making that point, though a lot of people sent to boarding school as children do end up resentful even years later. Why does Dr Holmes need to be reported to the British Psychological Society? Saying something that YOU don't agree with doesn't mean he needs to be reprimanded. I'm just curious.I didn't see anything particularly wrong with his comments but there really is a lot of this Psychobollocks around these days. Abused children do not all grow up to be abusers, adoptees do not all grow up to be mass murderers, Immigrants are not all benefit scroungers, and not all gypsies are thieves. Any sensible Psychologist these days will readily admit it is not a science in the normal sense of the word and any conclusions are usually generalist. At least he was not as bad as some of the other programmes we have been subject to as well as the sneering remarks of the JB Campaign Website which to this day still indulges in a widespread character assassination of Robert Boutflour whilst refusing to admit any defect in the reputation of their blood-drenched hero.
I fail to see what he did wrong in the programme-he was obviously asked for his views on the case as an expert in criminal psychology. His points were all pertinent and made a lot of sense. They were one sided but then again so was the programme. No room for any of the B.S that Mark Williams-Thomas's programme in March last year was full of. Clearly everyone who goes to boarding school doesn't end up murdering their family so he wasn't making that point, though a lot of people sent to boarding school as children do end up resentful even years later. Why does Dr Holmes need to be reported to the British Psychological Society? Saying something that YOU don't agree with doesn't mean he needs to be reprimanded. I'm just curious.
I am not being harsh, merely pointing out that this is a common theme on "Blue". That dear little Jeremy was "discriminated against" at the expense of Sheila and other family.
We have no business to judge whether Nevile was fair or less fair to JB than to anyone else, especially Sheila. Daughters are frequently treated more generously than sons especially by their father. There is nothing sinister in that, it is just the way things often work. Fathers usually spend more time with their sons and teach them different things. With mothers it is often the other way around. We do not have the right to judge or draw conclusions on this.
I have only viewed the programme once but will do so again tomorrow but wasn't it claimed that Nevile owned something like 300 acres when the truth is that he was merely a tenant farmer of that particular land and only rented White House Farmhouse itself? I don't think Channel 5 explained that terribly well.David is probably sick to the back teeth of it, John. He's been wheeled out on numerous occasions before, so maybe he thought Barbara Wilson's excellent contribution would suffice... and he does tend to get a bit nervy and emotional.
I still think it odd that David Boutflour never put in his tuppence worth on that particular docudrama. He is usually quite outspoken when it comes to cousin Jeremy.
Bob Miller was so full of himself when we all know that it was Sgt Stan Jones who blew the lid on Bamber. Miller was taken in just like the rest of them.
Did you know that the Bow Tie Society was founded by Bob Miller and Howard Bills to "celebrate" the distinctive item of neckwear?
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66591000/jpg/_66591622_dscf6278.jpg)
Bob Miller says bow ties were quintessentially 'British'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-21923222 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-21923222)
Ive only just watched it, the make up wearing and riding circles around june and taunting her isnt new, that was known about years ago. The rest of it we already knew anyway.
I thought the documentary was ok, only 1 hour long so didnt expect anything fantastic.
But it stated the basics.
"I never had any doubt, and Jeremy knows that ".
Arrgh lost my reply...for a repeat...
Has he ever met with JB to undertake an assessment in a formal setting to offer professional opinion? Did he have permission from JB/relevant authorities? (Not sure he needs permission actually as JB has been found guilty)
His areas of specialism do not appear to pertain to the murders at WHF.
Imo the Mark Williams-Thomas programme made a fatal mistake in not including some professional opinion re the family dynamics particularly June's mental illness circa 1959 and the issues raised in my post above which seem to get overlooked and yet I am convinced herein lies the answer.
I guess it depends on who you choose to believe the likes of Kerry Danes and David Holmes neither of which I believe have met with JB, or the likes of Vincent Egan who have the relevant authority to meet and assess JB in a formal setting:
http://jeremybamber.org/psychological-reports/
It will not be down to me whether or not David Holmes is reprimanded his professional body will see to that.
Ideally he would have had an interview with Bamber, but look at it this way. Would you object to a psychologist assessing Ted Bundy or Ed Gein without having actually met them but by analysing information already in the public domain? Obviously Bamber is still alive but the information is still there. The law says that he is a murderer even if you don't agree that he is. There is independent evidence to his behaviour before and after the murderers which could be said to be evidence of psycopathic behaviour.
I agree that perhaps June is the key to everything. One of her children was a paranoid schizophrenic, the other a psychopathic killer. We can't say genetics was involved because they were adopted. Was their upbringing vital in the way they both turned out? And was June responsible? Colin Caffel seemed to think so in his book. He had very few nice things to say about June (though got on well with Nevill apparently).
As for the old biddy secretary..... Sorry.....she came across all wrong as well
I take it you are referring to Mrs Barbara Wilson. Please explain what you mean by all wrong?
OLD BIDDY SECRETARY !!!! 8()(((@# ... she was the mainstay of the programme, along with Bob Miller (Chief Hugo Boss after-dinner speaker)
Barbara Wilson gets my vote as chief witness for the prosecution any day ! 8((()*/ 8((()*/ 8((()*/
You'll be old one day !!!
Why do you keep editing, re-editing, re-re-editing, etc., etc. your posts, Red ?
So first you say "the old copper in the bow tie convinced me with the two reasons he gave"
And then it was "so shit that it probably was counterproductive if it was trying to convince people of his guilt"
Make your mind up. 8((()*/
You don't think it's believable that money was his motivation?
You don't think it important or significant that he robbed the caravan park? It showed a) he had complete contempt for his parents b) he was motivated by money c) he had form for committing a crime and trying to make it look as if someone else had done it.
I suppose this wasn't a money motivated crime either ! 8-)(--)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-21966005 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-21966005)
You obviously haven't studied all the evidence Holly and are letting semantics influence your decision making.
How come you're a Newbie Red Blossom with 4659 posts and membership since Apr '13? I'm a Newbie too but only 164 posts and membership since Mar '13.
When you consider who is guilty of a murder there are three things to consider. Means, motive and opportunity. Who had all of these things regarding the White House Farm murders? Sheila? If you take the view that she was having a psychotic episode then that takes the motive part out of it. Opportunity, well she was in the house. Means? She simply couldn't have fired the rifle so accurately and failed to hit the target only a few times, she couldn't have reloaded the rifle at least twice. She couldn't have battered Nevill senseless. She went on a killing spree including a life or death struggle with Nevill and showed little or no signs of this at all on her skin, hair, clothing etc. If this was to have worked she would need a steady supply of ammo. As far as I understand it she would have gone on the rampage in a flimsy nightie with no pockets. Finally she somehow managed to shoot herself through the neck twice, despite the fact that there is every indication that the first shot would probably have rendered her unconscious, and possibly even paralysed. Dr Vanezis's comment that the first shot wouldn't have been immediately fatal has been taken on the blue forum to mean she could have walked around and even run upstairs. This simply could not have happened. Despite what it said in the TV programme it's reasonably clear that Nevill was first shot upstairs. The fact he ended up downstairs was probably because he was trying to get to the phone, which was disabled either because the phone had been moved from his room without him knowing or by taking the kitchen phone off the hook. Someone battered him senseless because he was trying to get to the phone. What would it have mattered to Sheila if he had made a call for help? When she was planning to kill herself anyway which she would have easily accomplished by the time the police would have arrived? So someone was willing to go to great lengths to stop Nevill getting to the phone to say what was really happening. And who would have had the motivation to do that?
Bamber on the other hand had motive (money), means (knew how to get to the farm quickly on a bike and how to get into the building without having to break in) and opportunity (at last everyone in his way of his inheritance just happened to be gathered together in the house at the same time). It seems quite obvious really when you think about it, doesn't it?
Holly Goodhead, your failure to attempt to contradict any of Goatboys well made arguments, speaks volumes to me.
To begin with Holly, I would like to know who you would suggest did it if not Jerry?
CoA Doc
6. Unusually in a case of this kind, it was accepted at trial that there were only two possible explanations for the dreadful events of that night. The first, as alleged by the prosecution was that the appellant had killed all five members of his family, shooting them with a .22 rifle with the probable motive of inheriting the whole of the family estate. The second, the defence case, was that Sheila Caffell, who had a history of mental illness, had murdered her parents and her two sons with the rifle, and had then turned the gun upon herself in an act of suicide. The view realistically accepted by all at trial was that the facts that were common ground enabled any other possibility to be ruled out.
I agree with the defence as stated above.
So tell me? How did a petite Sheila beat up her father and then manage to shoot herself twice in the next without leaving a single trace?
Gun shot wounds to Nevill Bamber
The pathologist's report states that bullet wounds 5 and 6 whilst not immediately life threatening could well have been had other injuries not supervened. These wounds apparently caused substantial loss of blood internally and externally and extreme pain. Bullet wound 7 totally impaired Nevill's left arm. Bullet wound 8 caused superficial grazing to the shoulder. I understand wounds 5,6 and 7 were received in the bedroom and wound 8 on or around the stairs.
Therefore by the time Nevill received the bullet wounds 1 to 4 in the kitchen he was in no state to defend himself against anyone.
The location of the bullets is somewhat confusing in that 3 were found in the kitchen; 1 on or around the stairs and 4 in the bedroom. The pathologist's report states that it is not possible to state with any degree of accuracy to describe the life functions that each wound (1 - 4 head) individually interfered with the essential life functions.
Did Nevill receive one of the head wounds in the Bedroom? Either way wounds 5, 6 and 7 appear to have rendered him defenceless.
According to Dr. Vanezis the final head wounds (nos. 1 - 4) were received within a short space of time, i.e. 4 shots in total, in 2 groups - 2 to the top of the head and 2 to the right hand side. Most likely this was in the Kitchen while Nevill Bamber's head was below the shooter and resting in the coal scuttle. If he was alive and his heart was beating during this final assault it would explain the large amount of blood running down the side of the scuttle and pooling on the floor.
In all these years, Bamber and his disciples have failed spectacularly, despite their exhaustive efforts, to produce any credible evidence to support his pleas of innocence.
I can't find any other pictures of Sheila's feet to compare this one against, they could be anyone's feet as far as I know. The toe nails seem to be long (but it might be I like short toe nails) and wouldn't she have done something about that bunion/corn, it must have hurt and the nail polish had seen better days, I think it being summer and sandal season, Sheila would have repainted them and looked her best being a model.
Shooting yourself not once but twice in the neck without getting blood on your fingers or on the rifle trigger is an impossibility. Try it and see!
Barbara Wilson brings up some very interesting points about Jeremy's personality. I've never read anything about JB wearing make up before! What was the reasoning behind that? To wind up his parents?
Also the rats in the car? Why?
The documentary's take on the sequence of events is interesting also, although I don't really see where they're getting the evidence for Nevill having 'heard a noise' and coming downstairs as a result. From reading comments on here I'd had the impression Nevill had been shot in the master bedroom first before making his way to the kitchen.
Barbara Wilson brings up some very interesting points about Jeremy's personality. I've never read anything about JB wearing make up before! What was the reasoning behind that? To wind up his parents?
Also the rats in the car? Why?
The documentary's take on the sequence of events is interesting also, although I don't really see where they're getting the evidence for Nevill having 'heard a noise' and coming downstairs as a result. From reading comments on here I'd had the impression Nevill had been shot in the master bedroom first before making his way to the kitchen.