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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Opposing Pat on November 09, 2013, 01:49:37 PM

Title: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Opposing Pat on November 09, 2013, 01:49:37 PM
Given the secondment of Clarence Mitchell from the Cabinet office to the Foreign & Commonwealth office as Media Liasion Officer for the McCanns and with full respect to his expertise and experience in media monitoring, how were Sky News and Martin Brunt in particular freely able to report on (claimed) PJ leaks ?

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Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Redblossom on November 09, 2013, 08:12:26 PM
Have you ever seen a case in tv where the suspects, which they were, when Mitchell took over, were referred to by their first names only?


Part of the strategy to have them as your normal next door neighbour nice people....who we all know.....

At least Redwood hasnt made the same mistake......

We know its a no no in police investigations, tyen again he wasnt the police but a paid liar and exagerator

Sorry dont know the answer to your question....
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Redblossom on November 09, 2013, 08:14:36 PM
Oh dear not ANOTHER troll.....how sad
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Redblossom on November 09, 2013, 08:16:44 PM
Bye bye imustgetoutmore sock slippers etc....
 @)(++(*


what liars some newbies can be






Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: jassi on November 09, 2013, 08:25:06 PM
I can only assume that this site is causing some discomfort to a McCann supporter, somewhere.
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Redblossom on November 09, 2013, 08:26:58 PM
I can only assume that this site is causing some discomfort to a McCann supporter, somewhere.

Must be excruciating, laters LOL
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: jassi on November 09, 2013, 08:30:03 PM
Must be excruciating, laters LOL

Clearly suffers from a bad case of haemorrhoids    @)(++(*
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 09, 2013, 08:40:13 PM
Have you ever seen a case in tv where the suspects, which they were, when Mitchell took over, were referred to by their first names only?


Part of the strategy to have them as your normal next door neighbour nice people....who we all know.....


Good point.
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: jassi on November 09, 2013, 08:42:48 PM
Have you ever seen a case in tv where the suspects, which they were, when Mitchell took over, were referred to by their first names only?


Part of the strategy to have them as your normal next door neighbour nice people....who we all know.....

At least Redwood hasnt made the same mistake......

We know its a no no in police investigations, tyen again he wasnt the police but a paid liar and exagerator

Sorry dont know the answer to your question....


Yeah, the sort you cross over the road to avoid.
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 09, 2013, 08:43:05 PM
Those are obviously (badly) paid beings, stinking at troll from post number 1 !
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2013, 08:44:50 PM
Those are obviously (badly) paid beings, stinking at troll from post number 1 !

They couldn't even organize a brew up at a pissery. @)(++(*
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Redblossom on November 09, 2013, 08:48:33 PM
Good point.

Well it struck me as odd.....you normally have a lawyer speak for you when you are a suspect.not a professional liar though theres not much difference between defence lawyers and them sometimes
 @)(++(*

Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Redblossom on November 09, 2013, 08:49:08 PM
Clearly suffers from a bad case of haemorrhoids    @)(++(*

irritating yes...im sure



Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: jassi on November 09, 2013, 08:51:21 PM
Excruciatingly painful at times, I believe, in fact a real pain in the arse.
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: icabodcrane on November 10, 2013, 12:08:05 AM
The thing that struck me as most bizarre about Clarence Mitchell's involvement was that he resigned his government job to work for the McCanns instead

He LEFT  a highly paid job,   that carried huge perks,  terrific expense allowances, great prospects for the future,  and an most enviable pension package

...  and he did that ...  he left all that  (  despite having a young family of his own to look out for  )  to work full time for the McCanns

  As far as he knew,   Madeleine could have been found within days of him throwing away his career  ...  couldn't she  ?

It makes no sense for him to have done that
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 10, 2013, 01:08:19 AM
The thing that struck me as most bizarre about Clarence Mitchell's involvement was that he resigned his government job to work for the McCanns instead

He LEFT  a highly paid job,   that carried huge perks,  terrific expense allowances, great prospects for the future,  and an most enviable pension package

...  and he did that ...  he left all that  (  despite having a young family of his own to look out for  )  to work full time for the McCanns

  As far as he knew,   Madeleine could have been found within days of him throwing away his career  ...  couldn't she  ?

It makes no sense for him to have done that
Some powerful ones had engaged their credibility in this case, it needed some control, not an official one.
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Aiofe on November 10, 2013, 03:20:06 AM
Let's look at what happened.

He was seconded from the public sector where he had built up experience and a reputation.

There is more money to be made from PR in the Private Sector.

He chose his moment to jump

He has increased his salary and pension package considerably with Freud etc.

He is now able to pursue a career as a Politician which would have conflicted with his public sector employment.

He seems to have done very well out of it financially, careerwise and personally as he is now one of the most prominent people in PR in the UK and a political candidate for a winnable seat.

Or you are free to cling to paranoid delusions instead of a rational answer.
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Eleanor on November 10, 2013, 10:53:55 AM

No one had ever heard of Clarence Mitchell before this case.  Now, every one knows who he is

He took a chance to help The McCanns because he believed that they were innocent.  And a very good job he did too.  The McCanns needed someone because they could not have handled this alone.  No one could.

This to me is a measure of what a very good MP he will make.  He is an honest man who will fight for his constituents.
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: icabodcrane on November 10, 2013, 11:11:22 AM
Let's look at what happened.

He was seconded from the public sector where he had built up experience and a reputation.

There is more money to be made from PR in the Private Sector.

He chose his moment to jump

He has increased his salary and pension package considerably with Freud etc.

He is now able to pursue a career as a Politician which would have conflicted with his public sector employment.

He seems to have done very well out of it financially, careerwise and personally as he is now one of the most prominent people in PR in the UK and a political candidate for a winnable seat.

Or you are free to cling to paranoid delusions instead of a rational answer.

You might be right, of course  ...  perhaps Michell had a plan in mind all  along

He did say,  when resigning as Head of the Media moderating unit at The Cabinet Office  ... " I am prepared to forego my career in government service to help them"   ...  but the way you put it certainly does suggest the move may have been  more mercenary than altruistic

He wouldn't be the first to have cashed in on Madeleine, afterall 
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: jassi on November 10, 2013, 11:16:30 AM
No one had ever heard of Clarence Mitchell before this case.  Now, every one knows who he is

He took a chance to help The McCanns because he believed that they were innocent.  And a very good job he did too.  The McCanns needed someone because they could not have handled this alone.  No one could.

This to me is a measure of what a very good MP he will make.  He is an honest man who will fight for his constituents.

Not sure if he will make a good MP, but I'm sure he'll feel right at home there, if he manages to get elected.
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Aiofe on November 10, 2013, 11:30:14 AM
No one had ever heard of Clarence Mitchell before this case.  Now, every one knows who he is

He took a chance to help The McCanns because he believed that they were innocent.  And a very good job he did too.  The McCanns needed someone because they could not have handled this alone.  No one could.

This to me is a measure of what a very good MP he will make.  He is an honest man who will fight for his constituents.

He was a well known BBC 24 Newsreader.
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Eleanor on November 10, 2013, 11:37:15 AM
He was a well known BBC 24 Newsreader.

Well I had never heard of him, although I suppose I should have done, seeing as how he's a relative of mine.
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Aiofe on November 10, 2013, 11:47:50 AM
Well I had never heard of him, although I suppose I should have done, seeing as how he's a relative of mine.

I had never connected that!
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Eleanor on November 10, 2013, 11:56:20 AM
I had never connected that!

As a family we aren't a boashut upl bunch.  We just get on and do the job that we believe in.  Justice being paramount.
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: sadie on November 10, 2013, 12:07:36 PM
Well I had never heard of him, although I suppose I should have done, seeing as how he's a relative of mine.
Eleanor, you never fail to surprise me

He has the same clear thinking brain and expresses himself so well, as you do


Give him a big hug from me if you see him.  He has taken a huge amount of unecessary flak.  And taken it graciously.

What a support he has been to the Mccanns in their time of need!  Well done Clarrie  8@??)(

 
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Cariad on November 10, 2013, 12:10:22 PM
Well I had never heard of him, although I suppose I should have done, seeing as how he's a relative of mine.

Is there anyone who isn't personally acquainted with with the Mccanns or their inner circle who support them unconditionally?
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Eleanor on November 10, 2013, 12:11:40 PM
Eleanor, you never fail to surprise me

He has the same clear thinking brain and expresses himself so well, as you do


Give him a big hug from me if you see him.  He has taken a huge amount of unecessary flak.  And taken it graciously.

What a support he has been to the Mccanns in their time of need!  Well done Clarrie  8@??)(

He's slightly better at keeping his temper than I am, Sadie.
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Aiofe on November 10, 2013, 12:13:50 PM
Is there anyone who isn't personally acquainted with with the Mccanns or their inner circle who support them unconditionally?

I think you will find that Eleanor is the exception. I worked with many Pros early on and not one of them had any connection to the McCanns- all had a commitment to Justice being done and the laws being adhered to.
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Eleanor on November 10, 2013, 12:19:11 PM

Well I'm proud of him, okay.  Even if I didn't know him before.  And I don't know The McCanns either.
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: sadie on November 10, 2013, 12:25:21 PM
Is there anyone who isn't personally acquainted with with the Mccanns or their inner circle who support them unconditionally?
Me.

Most of us, maybe all of us pros, I believe.

I support, but I dont support unconditionally.  If I could find any facts that made me think they "dunit" then my support would be very considerably reduced, as you might guess..

In actual fact, I think they have served a big sentence for something they haven't done.
And you guys perpetrating the myths are just causing more misery for them.

Why dont you leave them alone?
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 10, 2013, 12:29:27 PM
Me.

Most of us, maybe all of us pros, I believe.

I support, but I dont support unconditionally.  If I could find any facts that made me think they "dunit" then my support would be very considerably reduced, as you might guess..

In actual fact, I think they have served a big sentence for something they haven't done.
And you guys perpetrating the myths are just causing more misery for them.

Why dont you leave them alone?

So sadie, about these myths.

How many child abductions has there been in the Algarve?
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 10, 2013, 12:36:38 PM

In actual fact, I think they have served a big sentence for something they haven't done.
And you guys perpetrating the myths are just causing more misery for them.

As long as people like you insist in perpetrating the myth (i.e a collective belief without any evidence whatsoever) of the abduction from bed, there will be people to denounce it.
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Cariad on November 10, 2013, 12:37:37 PM
Me.

Most of us, maybe all of us pros, I believe.

I support, but I dont support unconditionally.  If I could find any facts that made me think they "dunit" then my support would be very considerably reduced, as you might guess..

In actual fact, I think they have served a big sentence for something they haven't done.
And you guys perpetrating the myths are just causing more misery for them.

Why dont you leave them alone?

What myths have I perpetuated sadie? If you're going to make a personal attack, you need to back it up with a cite of posts I've made.
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2013, 01:01:38 PM
What myths have I perpetuated sadie? If you're going to make a personal attack, you need to back it up with a cite of posts I've made.

 What was it...Gerry having a high degree of Narcicism
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: jassi on November 10, 2013, 01:10:33 PM
Is that a myth ?  How would we know?
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Cariad on November 10, 2013, 01:12:20 PM
What was it...Gerry having a high degree of Narcicism

Is that a myth ?  How would we know?

It's an opinion. My own personal one. Therefore it doesn't count as spreading myths.

Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2013, 01:18:35 PM
Is that a myth ?  How would we know?

I would say if you don't know then don't state is a fact...sounds fair to me
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: jassi on November 10, 2013, 01:21:02 PM
I would say if you don't know then don't state is a fact...sounds fair to me

Surely just because you don't know something for a fact doesn't necessarily mean it is untrue
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Cariad on November 10, 2013, 01:24:58 PM
I would say if you don't know then don't state is a fact...sounds fair to me

Did I state it as fact? That doesn't sound like me. Paper, scissors, stone for who pulls up the post?
Title: Re: Media monitoring and (claimed) PJ leaks.
Post by: Jazzy on November 10, 2013, 02:18:39 PM
Is there anyone who isn't personally acquainted with with the Mccanns or their inner circle who support them unconditionally?

I do not know the Mccanns, their family or friends, I care about the rule of law and order and that is all.