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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Mr Moderator on December 15, 2013, 02:35:10 AM
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Spy Plane Clue to Maddie Mystery - Sunday Express.
A spy plane on a NATO exercise may have captured an aerial image of the person who abducted Madeleine McCann, it was claimed last night.
A Portuguese military aircraft took photos of the Algarve coastline on the day the three-year-old disappeared, says British military expert Phillip Borden.
He claims the photographs were clear enough to identify buildings and people's faces and were offered to Portuguese police when Nato officials later learned of Madeleine's disappearance,' Mr Borden said.
(http://i.imgur.com/qycFRXp.jpg)
Moderator note: If you believe that you will believe anything! Must be some gadget to take a picture of someone's face from 30 miles directly above and in the dark. The Express never ceases to amaze.
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Gonçalo Amaral discusses satellite images that the PJ believed to be in the possession of the US authorities.
14 December 2010
- Extract from interview with SIC Noticias -
Pedro Mourinho - Would it have been possible to go further, in gathering evidence, after what took place in September 2007, or not?
Gonçalo Amaral - As I said before, the investigation is an investigation that is interrupted, an investigation that needs to be concluded. I believe that it is possible to make progress, if it wasn't for lack of political will; now with political will, based on this note - which is only a note as you said, but remains an important note nevertheless between two ambassadors, from one ambassador to the US State Department, that must have the weight that it has. Hopefully now, it will also be disclosed those photos, those satellite images that we believe to be in the possession of the US authorities, that we, the Portuguese police mentioned first, and also requested, a request that was denied to us.
P.M. - In your understanding, what could those satellite images reveal?
G.A. - They can reveal who was the person that carried the child on that night on its way to the beach. According to an Irish couple's statement, with an alleged 80% certainty, it was Gerald McCann himself. That could be the confirmation of that Irish couple's statement.
P.M. - And those images exist?
G.A. - We believe that, yes. In fact, the McCann couple themselves, said, a few months ago, that they also searched for them; that they don't exist, someone else later stated that they don't exist. It's possible that the site that has divulged the cable might also be able to release those images. That would be interesting.
P.M. - In your opinion, if they exist, why weren't they yet revealed?
G.A. - Well, probably because they are a secret of state somewhere... In fact, the whole investigation was a state secret in England. I remind you that there is documentation in that sense, referring that it is a state secret. We do not understand why it is considered as a state secret. In question is the disappearance, and the likely death of a child, and we still fail to understand why that is considered as state secrecy.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html
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That interview with Amaral is quite shocking. State Secrets? What's he on about? And why no mention of the aeroplane photos that were given to The PJ by The Portuguese Airforce? Was that a State Secret?
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Didn't Michael Shrimpton mention something about Spy Planes in his "The Shrimpton Report".
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I don't know, Sadie. But it wasn't a Spy Plane anyway. It was a routine exercise by The Portuguese Airforce.
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Spy plane 'filmed Maddie's kidnap' Daily Star (paper edition, page 20)
Nato photo clue offers fresh hope for McCanns
by JERRY LAWTON, Chief Crime Correspondent
Monday, December 16, 2013
Madeleine McCann's abduction may have been filmed by a spy plane, it was claimed yesterday.
A jet was on a Nato exercise above Praia da Luz in Portugal at the time the three-year-old went missing in 2007.
And military sources have admitted that the Portuguese aircraft was taking photographs of the Algarve coastline. British military expert Philip Burden said there was a chance the plane could have filmed the fiend who snatched Madeleine while her parents Kate and Gerry dined with pals in a nearby tapas bar.
He said any images taken by the spy plane would be of such high quality they could identify buildings and people's faces. The images were offered to Portuguese police when Nato officials learned of Madeleine's disappearance, but it is believed that detectives did not act on them.
Mr Burden said: "They could provide a new lead in the hunt for Madeleine.
"On the day she disappeared the plane took aerial photos of that stretch of the Algarve.
"I'm told that there were a number of low-level passes over the resort as part of a lengthy photo training mission.
"According to my source, strips of film were later passed to the Portuguese police following their appeal for information about Madeleine's disappearance."
Police thanked the Portuguese Air Force for sending the photos but they do not feature in official files on the case.
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Madeleine McCann's abductor may have been 'snapped by Nato spy plane' Daily Star
THE person who snatched missing Madeleine McCann may have been caught on camera by a Nato spy plane that was on a training exercise at the time.
The Portuguese aircraft took aerial images of the Algarve coastline where the three-year-old vanished.
British military expert Philip Burden claimed Nato had offered the pictures to Portuguese police.
Speaking to The Sunday Express he said: "During the early and late evening of May 3, 2007, the day Madeleine disappeared from the holiday resort of Praia da Luz, the plane took aerial photos of that stretch of the Algarve.
"It was on a Nato training exercise and had been used on similar missions over other European countries at other times."
Mr Burden went on to say : "According to my source, strips of film were later passed to the Portuguese police following their appeal for information about Madeleine's disappearance.
"I'm told that there were a number of low-level passes over the resort as part of a lengthy photo reconnaissance training mission.
"Although the light was fading, people and buildings could be clearly seen."
The shots, which are clear enough to see people's faces and pick out car registration numbers, could be crucial in locating Madeleine.
But despite Portuguese police thanking the Air Force for the the film, the pictures were not evident when secret police files were published.
Asked to confirm or deny the claims, a Scotland Yard spokesman said: "We are not giving a running commentary."
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/356009/Madeleine-McCann-s-abductor-may-have-been-snapped-by-Nato-spy-plane
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what a clown circus......nearly seven yrs and nothing has changed with this crapola being printed.....
And phillip burden, brit military expert???
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Poor Madeleine McCann
As for Shrimpton, you need at least two dozen rolls of tin foil for your head for that insane nonsensical garbage......
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what a clown circus......nearly seven yrs and nothing has changed with this crapola being printed.....
And phillip burden, brit military expert???
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Poor Madeleine McCann
As for Shrimpton, you need at least two dozen rolls of tin foil for your head for that insane nonsensical garbage......
As for Shrimpton, you need at least two dozen rolls of tin foil for your head for that insane nonsensical garbage......
LOL
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Asked to confirm or deny the claims, a Scotland Yard spokesman said: "We are not giving a running commentary."
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what a clown circus......nearly seven yrs and nothing has changed with this crapola being printed.....
And phillip burden, brit military expert???
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Poor Madeleine McCann
As for Shrimpton, you need at least two dozen rolls of tin foil for your head for that insane nonsensical garbage......
Yes your so right hun its all Crapola but it sells newspapers and the gullible lap it up....
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Yes your so right hun its all Crapola but it sells newspapers and the gullible lap it up....
yes..just like the gullible have lapped up the ST article which was withdrawn...but a direct quote fom Redwood who is leading the uk investigation gets no credence
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yes..just like the gullible have lapped up the ST article which was withdrawn...but a direct quote fom Redwood who is leading the uk investigation gets no credence
Merely because an article was 'withdrawn' does not make it false.
Rather like the Freudian slip made by Katy Brand.
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Merely because an article was 'withdrawn' does not make it false.
Rather like the Freudian slip made by Katy Brand.
never said it did...but it raises suspicions...why do you think it was withdrawn...silence
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never said it did...but it raises suspicions...why do you think it was withdrawn...silence
Pressure.
A certain firm springs to mind. 8)-)))
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Pressure.
A certain firm springs to mind. 8)-)))
that's my opinion....threat of libel action ....the threat can only have real meaning if the article was innaccurate
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that's my opinion....threat of libel action ....the threat can only have real meaning if the article was innaccurate
A threat of libel action does not mean libel occurred.
However, CR have a certain reputation.
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A threat of libel action does not mean libel occurred.
However, CR have a certain reputation.
didn't say it did...but if it was removed...as you have agreed...ST must have had doubts re defending it...so thats that
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didn't say it did...but if it was removed...as you have agreed...ST must have had doubts re defending it...so thats that
Well, whatever the truth of what happened, the article got it right.
The Mccanns withheld evidence, which for those who believe in the abduction, is inexcusable.
Isn't it Davel ?
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Well, whatever the truth of what happened, the article got it right.
The Mccanns withheld evidence, which for those who believe in the abduction, is inexcusable.
Isn't it Davel ?
No Stephen, them efits were most definitely not "shut away in a private investigation file for 5 years" as described by Simon Israel on channel 4 news, prior to the Sunday Times article being written & later withdrawn.
And neither were they "never handed over to the Portuguese investigation."
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I do so wish that posters would stop pushing this fallacy of "Searching for The Truth." It is never going to be found on Forums or in Newspaper Articles.
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As for Shrimpton, you need at least two dozen rolls of tin foil for your head for that insane nonsensical garbage......
Interesting.
Everybody thinks that ... and IMO that is what we are meant to think.
Michael Shrimpton is an extremely intelligent and articulate man. He was an associate of Tony Bennett. IIRC correctly they had similar political views and am I right in recounting that Shrimpton was the Barrister representing Bennett in one of his Court cases ... was it the European road signs one? Blonk knows Shrimpton is intelligent, don't you Blonk?
Now to the report itself.
I believe that in all probability [and it is only my considered opinion], that The Michael Shrimpton Report was commissioned by the Government. It was supposed to be totally secret, but somehow it got out. Certain aspects of that report were embarrassing to the Gov. if they were released to the general public, so the next best thing was that the report had silly bits added to it, so that it became undermined and a laughing stock.
I think that we were all succored into thinking Michael Shrimpton was a loony... and that was the intention. To save the Gov embarrassment.
No way would Michael Shrimpton have added silly bits about Madeleine and the families thoughts and cuddle cat etc., like were in those later copies. He was far too concise and intelligent.
Deliberate obfuscation with intent to undermine imo. To save the Gov embarrassment
Only my opinion.
Tin hat on.
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Interesting.
Everybody thinks that ... and IMO that is what we are meant to think.
Michael Shrimpton is an extremely intelligent and articulate man. He was an associate of Tony Bennett. IIRC correctly they had similar political views and am I right in recounting that Shrimpton was the Barrister representing Bennett in one of his Court cases ... was it the European road signs one? Blonk knows Shrimpton is intelligent, don't you Blonk?
Now to the report itself.
I believe that in all probability [and it is only my considered opinion], that The Michael Shrimpton Report was commissioned by the Government. It was supposed to be totally secret, but somehow it got out. Certain aspects of that report were embarrassing to the Gov. if they were released to the general public, so the next best thing was that the report had silly bits added to it, so that it became undermined and a laughing stock.
I think that we were all succored into thinking Michael Shrimpton was a loony... and that was the intention. To save the Gov embarrassment.
No way would Michael Shrimpton have added silly bits about Madeleine and the families thoughts and cuddle cat etc., like were in those later copies. He was far too concise and intelligent.
Deliberate obfuscation with intent to undermine imo. To save the Gov embarrassment
Only my opinion.
Tin hat on.
I've never heard of this 'Michael Shrimpton report'
Is it worth a thread of it's own, so we can discuss it ?
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I've never heard of this 'Michael Shrimpton report'
Is it worth a thread of it's own, so we can discuss it ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmYNiwVy72I
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Interesting.
Everybody thinks that ... and IMO that is what we are meant to think.
Michael Shrimpton is an extremely intelligent and articulate man. He was an associate of Tony Bennett. IIRC correctly they had similar political views and am I right in recounting that Shrimpton was the Barrister representing Bennett in one of his Court cases ... was it the European road signs one? Blonk knows Shrimpton is intelligent, don't you Blonk?
Now to the report itself.
I believe that in all probability [and it is only my considered opinion], that The Michael Shrimpton Report was commissioned by the Government. It was supposed to be totally secret, but somehow it got out. Certain aspects of that report were embarrassing to the Gov. if they were released to the general public, so the next best thing was that the report had silly bits added to it, so that it became undermined and a laughing stock.
I think that we were all succored into thinking Michael Shrimpton was a loony... and that was the intention. To save the Gov embarrassment.
No way would Michael Shrimpton have added silly bits about Madeleine and the families thoughts and cuddle cat etc., like were in those later copies. He was far too concise and intelligent.
Deliberate obfuscation with intent to undermine imo. To save the Gov embarrassment
Only my opinion.
Tin hat on.
He was on Sonia Poulton's show the other week. The man's an actor, though a very clever one.
He could easily swap places with Tim Marshall on Sky News.
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Shrimpton talking with Poulton, three weeks ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSf1zSk8sfA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSf1zSk8sfA)
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I've never heard of this 'Michael Shrimpton report'
Is it worth a thread of it's own, so we can discuss it ?
I'd suggest that it's worth a thread of it's own. The "report" is available on the Internet, but (IMO) isn't credible.
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Shrimpton talking with Poulton, three weeks ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSf1zSk8sfA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSf1zSk8sfA)
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DONATE NOW.
It's not compulsory 8)--))
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So it's not compulsory to DONATE NOW? Thank heavens for that. I thought I might have to be a bit difficult.
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Interesting.
Everybody thinks that ... and IMO that is what we are meant to think.
Michael Shrimpton is an extremely intelligent and articulate man. He was an associate of Tony Bennett. IIRC correctly they had similar political views and am I right in recounting that Shrimpton was the Barrister representing Bennett in one of his Court cases ... was it the European road signs one? Blonk knows Shrimpton is intelligent, don't you Blonk?
Now to the report itself.
I believe that in all probability [and it is only my considered opinion], that The Michael Shrimpton Report was commissioned by the Government. It was supposed to be totally secret, but somehow it got out. Certain aspects of that report were embarrassing to the Gov. if they were released to the general public, so the next best thing was that the report had silly bits added to it, so that it became undermined and a laughing stock.
I think that we were all succored into thinking Michael Shrimpton was a loony... and that was the intention. To save the Gov embarrassment.
No way would Michael Shrimpton have added silly bits about Madeleine and the families thoughts and cuddle cat etc., like were in those later copies. He was far too concise and intelligent.
Deliberate obfuscation with intent to undermine imo. To save the Gov embarrassment
Only my opinion.
Tin hat on.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/539967/Michael-Shrimpton-Bomb-Threats-Kill-Queen-London-2012-Olympics-Nuclear-Attack