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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: sadie on January 30, 2014, 11:25:17 PM
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The Mccanns are victims of several crimes
Lies and propaganda in the media
Serious abuse and lies on the internet by peeps who should know better.
A book written to make money, virtually accusing them of involvement
Accusations of being swingers ... leaked disinformation about them
A phoney Investigation company which leached a small fortune from the Madeleine Finding fund
I could go on, but I am sure others can add.
All the above are small or major crimes against them IMO
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Another to add to the list of crimes against The Mccanns
The lowlife who tore down or deliberately destroyed their posters aimed at finding Madeleine.
That was a criminal act because it destroyed posters which had cost a lot to design, to produce, to export and then post. Some where huge and must have cost a fortune. But even more so this cruel act showed a moral deficiency in the person who was determined to try and prevent Madeleine being found ... and further in destroying the hopes of the family of Madeleine.
Toerag is too good a name for such a lowlife.
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Another to add to the list of crimes against The Mccanns
The lowlife who tore down or deliberately destroyed their posters aimed at finding Madeleine.
That was a criminal act because it destroyed posters which had cost a lot to design, to produce, to export and then post. Some where huge and must have cost a fortune. But even more so this cruel act showed a moral deficiency in the person who was determined to try and prevent Madeleine being found ... and further in destroying the hopes of the family of Madeleine.
Toerag is too good a name for such a lowlife.
That was after two years, Sadie. Two long years (of slurs and insults and xenophobia).
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The Mccanns are victims of several crimes
Lies and propaganda in the media
Serious abuse and lies on the internet by peeps who should know better.
A book written to make money, virtually accusing them of involvement
Accusations of being swingers ... leaked disinformation about them
A phoney Investigation company which leached a small fortune from the Madeleine Finding fund
I could go on, but I am sure others can add.
All the above are small or major crimes against them IMO
I have to agree with this most strongly.
Whatever mistakes the McCanns have made in their handling of the media and in certain legal matters - and I personally believe they have made many - they are not criminals in any way shape or form. Fallible human beings just like the rest of us, but not guilty of any crime.
There is absolutely no evidence, nor even the merest hint, of any criminal conduct by the McCanns or their family members and close friends. Suggestions to the contrary are groundless.
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That was after two years, Sadie. Two long years (of slurs and insults and xenophobia).
No excuse whatsoever, Lyall
Morally deficient and criminal.
toerag !
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I have to agree with this most strongly.
Whatever mistakes the McCanns have made in their handling of the media and in certain legal matters - and I personally believe they have made many - they are not criminals in any way shape or form. Fallible human beings just like the rest of us, but not guilty of any crime.
There is absolutely no evidence, nor even the merest hint, of any criminal conduct by the McCanns or their family members and close friends. Suggestions to the contrary are groundless.
Spot on Sherlock, as usual. 8((()*/
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I really think the xenophobia was the bigger crime, Sadie. And on a hugely bigger scale of course.
Zenophobia twaddle. Sorry, BUT .... What rubbish!
A Criminal Act and a morally defficient act was performed in tearing and obliterating those posters.
Posters aimed at finding a missing child !
The planning and hope that went into producing those posters and all destroyed in a matter of minutes by an absolute lowlife.
How can you defend such a despicable and criminal act, Lyall? I hope the person responsible is tried and jailed.
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Zenophobia twaddle. Sorry, BUT .... What rubbish!
A Criminal Act and a morally defficient act was performed in tearing and obliterating those posters.
Posters aimed at finding a missing child !
The planning and hope that went into producing those posters and all destroyed in a matter of minutes by an absolute lowlife.
How can you defend such a despicable and criminal act, Lyall? I hope the person responsible is tried and jailed.
I'm not defending it. I'm putting it in the correct historical perspective.
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I'm not defending it. I'm putting it in the correct historical perspective.
Well you shouldn't be thinking that way IMO. Zenophobia, what rot! that was just a forum cliche. It sounded good.
Either it is morally and criminally OK to destroy posters which are attempting to find a missing child ... or it is not. Nothing should have affected peoples perceptions of whether it was ok becos of ... blah blah blah (zenophobia rubbish).
Surely you can see that ?
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Well you shouldn't be thinking that way IMO. Zenophobia, what rot! that was just a forum cliche. It sounded good.
Either it is morally and criminally OK to destroy posters which are attempting to find a missing child ... or it is not. Nothing should have affected peoples perceptions of whether it was ok becos of ... blah blah blah (zenophobia rubbish).
Surely you can see that ?
It's not rubbish. The papers began attacking the Portuguese less than a week after the disappearance, and it didn't ever cease during the next two years before the posters incident.
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It's not rubbish. The papers began attacking the Portuguese less than a week after the disappearance, and it didn't ever cease during the next two years before the posters incident.
But the Portuguese started it. swingers and the like. Now where did that come from?
There are echos in the way the Mccanns were treated by the PJ /PT press to the way The Ciprianos were treated.
Both parties had salacious gossip, disinformation, deliberately spread about them. Propaganda designed to turn the PT public against them? Easier to prosecute or even "fit up" if the general public were against them ? OMO
And, I suppose, it is all good stuff if a book on the case is to be written later. A bit of illicit sex ... erm, that makes good reading, sort of thing! Again I am only wondering, but I dont much care for too many co-incidences
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But the Portuguese started it. swingers and the like. Now where did that come from?
There are echos in the way the Mccanns were treated by the PJ /PT press to the way The Ciprianos were treated.
Both parties had salacious gossip, disinformation, deliberately spread about them. Propaganda designed to turn the PT public against them? Easier to prosecute or even "fit up" if the general public were against them ? OMO
And, I suppose, it is all good stuff if a book on the case is to be written later. A bit of illicit sex ... erm, that makes good reading, sort of thing! Again I am only wondering, but I dont much care for too many co-incidences
Behave, Sadie 8(>(( It isn't a Hollywood movie. Nobody planned anything but police investigations are subject to all kinds of pressures that don't help them run smoothly. Ask the Met police - they know all about how difficult investigations can be when the media swamps them.
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Behave, Sadie 8(>(( It isn't a Hollywood movie. Nobody planned anything but police investigations are subject to all kinds of pressures that don't help them run smoothly. Ask the Met police - they know all about how difficult investigations can be when the media swamps them.
How do you know? 8(0(*
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How do you know? 8(0(*
Trust me 8)--))
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Please note, this is a new topic.
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The Mccanns are victims of several crimes
Lies and propaganda in the media
Serious abuse and lies on the internet by peeps who should know better.
A book written to make money, virtually accusing them of involvement
Accusations of being swingers ... leaked disinformation about them
A phoney Investigation company which leached a small fortune from the Madeleine Finding fund
I could go on, but I am sure others can add.
On the contrary, Madeleine is the victim. The McCann's attempts to portray themselves as victims are wearing very thin indeed.
What about Kate's book? Did that not make money?
The McCanns have financially benefited from the Fund. They have used the money legal fees to sue people who don't agree with them.
What about the Fund money? How much has gone into actively looking for Madeleine?
Who hired the phoney Investigation company - why did the McCanns use them?
Yes, a great many crimes have been committed. But we need to decide who has committed them.
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In the true sense of the phrase, Kate, Gerry and the twins are victims of crime, the crime being that Madeleine has been abducted (yes I know people will disagree with this personal conclusion).
Aside from the how the press or PJ behaved, Madeleine remains missing and not where she should be, and that is with her family. For me, the crux of this are they victims stems from those who are of the opinion that neither Kate nor Gerry should have their sympathy. This normally starts because of their belief they neglected the children, it is then somewhat compounded by their personal belief that they had some involvement in Madeleine's disappearance. If one believes purely that they had some hand in it, then they, I can only assume, take some satisfaction and justification when they rally on Madeleine's family and seek to criticise and attack them. One cannot typically extend empathy or sympathy to someone who one despises utterly with hatred and contempt. Therefore it is very easy for some with great fortitude and bluster to disagree obsessively that Kate or Gerry can ever be victims.
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In the true sense of the phrase, Kate, Gerry and the twins are victims of crime, the crime being that Madeleine has been abducted (yes I know people will disagree with this personal conclusion).
Aside from the how the press or PJ behaved, Madeleine remains missing and not where she should be, and that is with her family. For me, the crux of this are they victims stems from those who are of the opinion that neither Kate nor Gerry should have their sympathy. This normally starts because of their belief they neglected the children, it is then somewhat compounded by their personal belief that they had some involvement in Madeleine's disappearance. If one believes purely that they had some hand in it, then they, I can only assume, take some satisfaction and justification when they rally on Madeleine's family and seek to criticise and attack them. One cannot typically extend empathy or sympathy to someone who one despises utterly with hatred and contempt. Therefore it is very easy for some with great fortitude and bluster to disagree obsessively that Kate or Gerry can ever be victims.
Dont give up the day job....
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MADDIE is the only victim she would not be missing or whatever she is now if the mcanns had been responsible loving parents i always do and will say that because without the mcanns most sefish nassistic behaviour on that holiday that chikd would still be alive and well.A big if but if maddie is alive she is NOT alive and unharmed and it personally makes me sick that people think a child could be alive and unharmed after vanashing off the face of the earth some people need to face reality living ina pixie dust stiff upper lip world is no good for anybody including the mcanns
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MADDIE is the only victim she would not be missing or whatever she is now if the mcanns had been responsible loving parents i always do and will say that because without the mcanns most sefish nassistic behaviour on that holiday that chikd would still be alive and well.A big if but if maddie is alive she is NOT alive and unharmed and it personally makes me sick that people think a child could be alive and unharmed after vanashing off the face of the earth some people need to face reality living ina pixie dust stiff upper lip world is no good for anybody including the mcanns
Case in point as to what I described earlier, this is a good example of why some people just cannot extend empathy to another human being because in this case I suspect carlymichelle has dehumanised both Kate and Gerry.
Be interesting to ask you carlymichelle have you ever openly threated to strike or hurt either Kate or Gerry McCann, purely in the interests or proving my suspicions as outlined above
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Not victims once they were official suspects though and no one to date has proven otherwise....that they should not have been suspects or that they werent involved
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Not victims once they were official suspects though and no one to date has proven otherwise....that they should not have been suspects or that they werent involved
Isn't it a case of them being proved guilty of something as opposed to them having to prove their innocence? The day the PJ and Scotland Yard then reiterated that Kate and Gerry were not considered suspects, didn't that generally mean that we could empathise with them?
Im not sure why you say they are still suspects because no one has proved otherwise. This mind set does make me feel rather uncomfortable as people I have known in the past to have such a galvanised preconception rarely consider other options.
Generally speaking if someone is ruled out of an investigation its safe to assume they are no longer considered a suspect.
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Isn't it a case of them being proved guilty of something as opposed to them having to prove their innocence? The day the PJ and Scotland Yard then reiterated that Kate and Gerry were not considered suspects, didn't that generally mean that we could empathise with them?
Im not sure why you say they are still suspects because no one has proved otherwise. This mind set does make me feel rather uncomfortable as people I have known in the past to have such a galvanised preconception rarely consider other options.
Generally speaking if someone is ruled out of an investigation its safe to assume they are no longer considered a suspect.
I think your "mind set " is making alot of assumptions
No one has cleared them.......
If they really had been cleared no one would comment on their status
personally i dont believe them but thats bye the bye, based on An informed judgement made over time from a multitude of sources, an opinion I am entitled to, that is not to say i dont think its possible an abduction happened, and I cant be wrong, so pls dont lecture abiut mind sets and "psychologies" etc
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Isn't it a case of them being proved guilty of something as opposed to them having to prove their innocence? The day the PJ and Scotland Yard then reiterated that Kate and Gerry were not considered suspects, didn't that generally mean that we could empathise with them?
Im not sure why you say they are still suspects because no one has proved otherwise. This mind set does make me feel rather uncomfortable as people I have known in the past to have such a galvanised preconception rarely consider other options.
Generally speaking if someone is ruled out of an investigation its safe to assume they are no longer considered a suspect.
I don't think that applies in a case with so few established facts as this one. I can't think of another as bereft actually. That's why everyone is still a suspect.
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No one has cleared them.......
How do you propose they are cleared? In the court of public opinion, to some they are already guilty and should be banged up and their children taken away.
How exactly can they be cleared, what is it that you personally would accept as being proof of innocence?
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How do you propose they are cleared? In the court of public opinion, to some they are already guilty and should be banged up and their children taken away.
How exactly can they be cleared, what is it that you personally would accept as being proof of innocence?
They can ID Smithman - he disappeared of the face of the earth at the same time as Madeleine. His efits suppressed - not in the book that claims to leave no stone unturned. I wonder why?
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How do you propose they are cleared? In the court of public opinion, to some they are already guilty and should be banged up and their children taken away.
How exactly can they be cleared, what is it that you personally would accept as being proof of innocence?
Im not proposing anything at all just sayng they havent been....by any official bod
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I find you are being over dramatical too....no one is asking for them to be banged up and their kids taken away......if you are referring to a small mount of internet users that say such things hardly the court of public opinion is it.
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They can ID Smithman - he disappeared of the face of the earth at the same time as Madeleine. His efits suppressed - not in the book that claims to leave no stone unturned. I wonder why?
The efit is suppressed? Who do you believe has suppressed this efit, and I take it when you say Smithman you mean the man seen carrying a child that the family saw but only the father says it looked a bit like Gerry yest other members of the family didn't think so?
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Im not proposing anything at all just sayng they havent been....by any official bod
When you say "official bod" you mean someone more official than Operation Grange detectives investigating the case and the Portuguese Police who have also investigated the case, and continue to do so?
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Case in point as to what I described earlier, this is a good example of why some people just cannot extend empathy to another human being because in this case I suspect carlymichelle has dehumanised both Kate and Gerry.
Be interesting to ask you carlymichelle have you ever openly threated to strike or hurt either Kate or Gerry McCann, purely in the interests or proving my suspicions as outlined above
Your opinion only sir/madam and the comment is right out of order in my book.
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When you say "official bod" you mean someone more official than Operation Grange detectives investigating the case and the Portuguese Police who have also investigated the case, and continue to do so?
SY are investigating, they have not cleared them
Andy Redwood has said they are not suspects last July, as part of their investigations as it stood,thats hardly "clearing"
The PJ did not "clear them"
The Public Prosecutor in Portugal did not "clear them" in 2008 and neither did the attorney general or any court/judges ergo they remain "uncleared"
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The efit is suppressed? Who do you believe has suppressed this efit, and I take it when you say Smithman you mean the man seen carrying a child that the family saw but only the father says it looked a bit like Gerry yest other members of the family didn't think so?
The efits that were done in 2008 so YES they were suppressed. Leave no stone unturned?
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When you say "official bod" you mean someone more official than Operation Grange detectives investigating the case and the Portuguese Police who have also investigated the case, and continue to do so?
So why don't SY just show us [ censored word ]s this solid evidence they obviously must have which proves Kate & Gerry's complete non involvement in their daughters disappearance?
If they did that then we could apologise for doubting them, start being nice about them, join the support group & assist the 'search'.
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The efits that were done in 2008 so YES they were suppressed. Leave no stone unturned?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.0
Singularity needs to read this thread
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So why don't SY just show us [ censored word ]s this solid evidence they obviously must have which proves Kate & Gerry's complete non involvement in their daughters disappearance?
If they did that then we could apologise for doubting them, start being nice about them, join the support group & assist the 'search'.
Well thats never going to happen is it?
Lets face it, 7 yrs later
Bbl
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A letter from a reader called Steve Bywaters, from London, apparently appeared in the Leicstershire Mercury on 31st March a few years back. It was up long enough for some copies to have stayed up on the Internet. Might be interesting to speak to the paper about its veracity.
The reader gives an account of what he thinks happened to Madeleine and why Jane Tanner was involved.
It makes somewhat uncomfortable reading. And it is, of course, one person's opinion.
What it does not explain is Payne's involvement and there is no doubt in my mind he is a key player in whatever was going on.) But I suppose people can draw their own conclusions about that. However unpalatable they might unfortunately be.
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Well thats never going to happen is it?
Giving the 3 Burglars a months prior warning they are going to nick them is obviously not deemed damaging to the investigation.
So would it really be damaging to show us the evidence which clears the McCanns, or could it actually assist the search for Madeleine ?
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So why don't SY just show us [ censored word ]s this solid evidence they obviously must have which proves Kate & Gerry's complete non involvement in their daughters disappearance?
Why should SY show you or anyone any evidence related to any investigation they are doing?
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Giving the 3 Burglars a months prior warning they are going to nick them is obviously not deemed damaging to the investigation.
So would it really be damaging to show us the evidence which clears the McCanns, or could it actually assist the search for Madeleine ?
Yep they are not cleared
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Why should SY show you or anyone any evidence related to any investigation they are doing?
Don't SY want the McCanns to live in peace? They could make that happen couldn't they?
They don't seem to mind telling the burglars they are after them.
And they have shown us some of the evidence which almost certainly eliminates Tannerman.
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A letter from a reader called Steve Bywaters, from London, apparently appeared in the Leicstershire Mercury on 31st March a few years back. It was up long enough for some copies to have stayed up on the Internet. Might be interesting to speak to the paper about its veracity.
The reader gives an account of what he thinks happened to Madeleine and why Jane Tanner was involved.
It makes somewhat uncomfortable reading. And it is, of course, one person's opinion.
What it does not explain is Payne's involvement and there is no doubt in my mind he is a key player in whatever was going on.) But I suppose people can draw their own conclusions about that. However unpalatable they might unfortunately be.
This?
http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/mccanns-steve-bywater-and-chilling.html
Interesting but......too many buts
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Giving the 3 Burglars a months prior warning they are going to nick them is obviously not deemed damaging to the investigation.
So would it really be damaging to show us the evidence which clears the McCanns, or could it actually assist the search for Madeleine ?
Reading between the lines on this one I don't think there is any evidence to clear them, how do you prove a negative. If they had evidence to support the suspicion that both of them were complicit in Madeleine's disappearance then I am sure Snr Amaral would have acted a lot faster than he did. And if not him, then his colleagues.
Also people who are insisting with great force that they have not been cleared, well yes they have. Again facts are that the Grange team do not consider Madeleine's parents as suspects. I’m fairly sure they must have explored the possibility that they could have been involved and as such, ruled it out.
In fact if some need to see it in writing, then most of the news sites carried a direct quote from Redwood explaining that the McCanns were not under suspicion nor linked to any of their ongoing leads after reviewing the evidence. Seems that some prefer to deal with semantics when it comes to interpreting the posture of a DCI when he says someone is no longer under suspicion of a crime.
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Don't SY want the McCanns to live in peace? They could make that happen couldn't they?
They don't seem to mind telling the burglars they are after them.
And they have shown us some of the evidence which almost certainly eliminates Tannerman.
The question being asked was in fact why should SY show you or anyone any evidence related to any investigation they are doing?
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Reading between the lines on this one I don't think there is any evidence to clear them, how do you prove a negative. If they had evidence to support the suspicion that both of them were complicit in Madeleine's disappearance then I am sure Snr Amaral would have acted a lot faster than he did. And if not him, then his colleagues.
Also people who are insisting with great force that they have not been cleared, well yes they have. Again facts are that the Grange team do not consider Madeleine's parents as suspects. I’m fairly sure they must have explored the possibility that they could have been involved and as such, ruled it out.
In fact if some need to see it in writing, then most of the news sites carried a direct quote from Redwood explaining that the McCanns were not under suspicion nor linked to any of their ongoing leads after reviewing the evidence. Seems that some prefer to deal with semantics when it comes to interpreting the posture of a DCI when he says someone is no longer under suspicion of a crime.
So they haven't actually been formally cleared then.
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This?
http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/mccanns-steve-bywater-and-chilling.html
Interesting but......too many buts
This seems to be from the same bucket as The Knights Templar and other crafts theories. Or as we used to say in the playground "I know something you don't know".
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The question being asked was in fact why should SY show you or anyone any evidence related to any investigation they are doing?
Because it would shut the [ censored word] up wouldn't it.
SY are working closely with the McCanns afterall & if everyone was pro McCann there would be more people 'looking for Madeleine' wouldn't there.
It would be in theirs & Maddies best interests wouldn't it.
And this isn't just 'any' investigation is it.
That's why.
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Reading between the lines on this one I don't think there is any evidence to clear them, how do you prove a negative. If they had evidence to support the suspicion that both of them were complicit in Madeleine's disappearance then I am sure Snr Amaral would have acted a lot faster than he did. And if not him, then his colleagues.
Also people who are insisting with great force that they have not been cleared, well yes they have. Again facts are that the Grange team do not consider Madeleine's parents as suspects. I’m fairly sure they must have explored the possibility that they could have been involved and as such, ruled it out.
In fact if some need to see it in writing, then most of the news sites carried a direct quote from Redwood explaining that the McCanns were not under suspicion nor linked to any of their ongoing leads after reviewing the evidence. Seems that some prefer to deal with semantics when it comes to interpreting the posture of a DCI when he says someone is no longer under suspicion of a crime.
He can say whatever he likes to TV reporters. They're just sound bites.
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IF the McCanns are implicated in the disappearance of their child it was a crime committed on Portuguese soil therefore the only "authority" that counts is Portuguese. At the time of archiving the case the nature of any crime committed could not be identified. The Portuguese have reopened their case after a review which started before that of The Met. Quite what the Met are doing is open to speculation but it clearly isn't investigating a crime that was committed in a foreign country.
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IF the McCanns are implicated in the disappearance of their child it was a crime committed on Portuguese soil therefore the only "authority" that counts is Portuguese. At the time of archiving the case the nature of any crime committed could not be identified. The Portuguese have reopened their case after a review which started before that of The Met. Quite what the Met are doing is open to speculation but it clearly isn't investigating a crime that was committed in a foreign country.
are you under the bizarrre illusion that SY are not investigating maddies disappearance....
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are you under the bizarrre illusion that SY are not investigating maddies disappearance....
In a foreign country the police force of that country will investigate crimes committed on their land not a force from another country. That much should be simple to grasp. Who knows what The Met are doing ? you don't know anymore than I do so don't pretend you are the hub of this.
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In a foreign country the police force of that country will investigate crimes committed on their land not a force from another country. That much should be simple to grasp. Who knows what The Met are doing ? you don't know anymore than I do so don't pretend you are the hub of this.
i know that SY has investigated a murder of a british subject in a foreign country before so it is certainly possible...
are you under the bizarrre illusion that sy are not investigating maddies disappearance...you are aren't you
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i know that SY has investigated a murder of a british subject in a foreign country before so it is certainly possible...
are you under the bizarrre illusion that sy are not investigating maddies disappearance...you are aren't you
I have never said that; you have concluded that using your own puddled thinking.
I have said before and will again. There is potential for crimes to have been committed in Portugal and in The UK in this case.
Figure the rest out for yourself.
I haven't a clue beyond that any more than you have.
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So why don't SY just show us [ censored word ]s this solid evidence they obviously must have which proves Kate & Gerry's complete non involvement in their daughters disappearance?
If they did that then we could apologise for doubting them, start being nice about them, join the support group & assist the 'search'.
They are working on it, Wonderfulspam....
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I have never said that; you have concluded that using your own puddled thinking.
I have said before and will again. There is potential for crimes to have been committed in Portugal and in The UK in this case.
Figure the rest out for yourself.
I haven't a clue beyond that any more than you have.
SY can investigate crimes abroad with the help of the host nation...to me it looks as though that is what they are doing
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SY can investigate crimes abroad with the help of the host nation...to me it looks as though that is what they are doing
Yes, and when they solve the burglaries in PDL, hopefully they will start investigating Madeleine's disappearance.
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In the true sense of the phrase, Kate, Gerry and the twins are victims of crime, the crime being that Madeleine has been abducted (yes I know people will disagree with this personal conclusion).
Aside from the how the press or PJ behaved, Madeleine remains missing and not where she should be, and that is with her family. For me, the crux of this are they victims stems from those who are of the opinion that neither Kate nor Gerry should have their sympathy. This normally starts because of their belief they neglected the children, it is then somewhat compounded by their personal belief that they had some involvement in Madeleine's disappearance. If one believes purely that they had some hand in it, then they, I can only assume, take some satisfaction and justification when they rally on Madeleine's family and seek to criticise and attack them. One cannot typically extend empathy or sympathy to someone who one despises utterly with hatred and contempt. Therefore it is very easy for some with great fortitude and bluster to disagree obsessively that Kate or Gerry can ever be victims.
Very much agree with this too, TS.
And also want to add that Madeleine's parents are also very much the victims if Madeleine is no longer alive. In that case, Madeleine, hopefully, is at rest. The parents however continue suffering.
Layers of suffering plague the McCanns: grief for their daughter, feelings of guilt, and the artificial sufferings layered further upon them via the media and through the ' helpers' such as phoney detectives who have failed them in their search. A tragic state of affairs.
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The Mccanns are victims of several crimes
Lies and propaganda in the media
Serious abuse and lies on the internet by peeps who should know better.
A book written to make money, virtually accusing them of involvement
Accusations of being swingers ... leaked disinformation about them
A phoney Investigation company which leached a small fortune from the Madeleine Finding fund
I could go on, but I am sure others can add.
All the above are small or major crimes against them IMO
8@??)(
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Isn't it a case of them being proved guilty of something as opposed to them having to prove their innocence? The day the PJ and Scotland Yard then reiterated that Kate and Gerry were not considered suspects, didn't that generally mean that we could empathise with them?
Im not sure why you say they are still suspects because no one has proved otherwise. This mind set does make me feel rather uncomfortable as people I have known in the past to have such a galvanised preconception rarely consider other options.
Generally speaking if someone is ruled out of an investigation its safe to assume they are no longer considered a suspect.
Haven't been here for some time as it is usually the same old same old .....and any stick beat the McCanns with.
A pleasure to read a sensible post for a change. 8@??)(
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Because it would shut the [ censored word] up wouldn't it.
SY are working closely with the McCanns afterall & if everyone was pro McCann there would be more people 'looking for Madeleine' wouldn't there.
It would be in theirs & Maddies best interests wouldn't it.
And this isn't just 'any' investigation is it.
That's why.
redwood has said the mccanns are not suspects...what more do you want