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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Redblossom on March 01, 2014, 08:37:40 PM
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Hadn't thought of that, Red.
Nonetheless, there is a proven medical link between the two conditions, which the McCanns must have been aware of.
Perhaps after the LOOK confusion, they were advised not to use too many personal details in the campaign.
Oh come off it Sherlock you cant use thr "advisers" card for everything
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IF there was any worry about it they would have mentioned it, advisers or not, obviously they either thought or knew there was no problem
Either cos there wasnt one in general or if there was it wouldnt matter if she was already dead!
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Oh come off it Sherlock you cant use the "advisers" card for everything
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IF there was any worry about it they would have mentioned it, advisers or not, obviously they either thought or knew there was no problem
Either cos there wasnt one in general or if there was it wouldnt matter if she was already dead!
This is SH's favourite card, it seems ?{)(**
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Oh come off it Sherlock you cant use thr "advisers" card for everything
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IF there was any worry about it they would have mentioned it, advisers or not, obviously they either thought or knew there was no problem
Either cos there wasnt one in general or if there was it wouldnt matter if she was already dead!
I don't. As you know I'm pretty critical of how they have handled quite a few things, and often use the word 'advisers' to suggest that there in fact aren't any - or any that are being listened to. If there were more good advisers in this case, a lot of things would have been played very differently, IMO.
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I don't. As you know I'm pretty critical of how they have handled quite a few things, and often use the word 'advisers' to suggest that there in fact aren't any - or any that are being listened to. If there were more good advisers in this case, a lot of things would have been played very differently, IMO.
When you say, and it's often, that they were badly advised, in fact you mean that they weren't advised at all or didn't listen to good advisers ?
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This is SH's favourite card, it seems ?{)(**
I noticed and I cant keep up with it, Gery and Kate dont seem the type to heed any advice at all IMO not even police instructions! In fact they and their mates took control from the very first minute
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I don't. As you know I'm pretty critical of how they have handled quite a few things, and often use the word 'advisers' to suggest that there in fact aren't any - or any that are being listened to. If there were more good advisers in this case, a lot of things would have been played very differently, IMO.
Oh I must have got wrong end of the stick then, sorry
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When you say, and it's often, that they were badly advised, in fact you mean that they weren't advised at all or didn't listen to good advisers ?
Yes, 'badly advised' can be used ironically.
I will make it more clear in the future!
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I noticed and I cant keep up with it, Gery and Kate dont seem the type to heed any advice at all IMO not even police instructions! In fact they and their mates took control from the very first minute
They were taught by Mr Woolfall the jungle law and were excellent pupils : manipulate otherwise you'll be manipulated.
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This is SH's favourite card, it seems ?{)(**
It's called subtlety, Anne.
Though the French far surpass us at it.
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Yes, 'badly advised' can be used ironically.
I will make it more clear in the future!
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I noticed and I cant keep up with it, Gery and Kate dont seem the type to heed any advice at all IMO not even police instructions! In fact they and their mates took control from the very first minute
That's right Red, I was being ironic.
Spent half the day on the other thread noting how they defy SY publicly!
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It's called subtlety, Anne.
Though the French far surpass us at it.
Too subtle for me ! A fortiori since the McCanns have had legal advisors and a spinning doctor from the very beginning..
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Too subtle for me ! A fortiori since the McCanns have had legal advisors and a spinning doctor from the very beginning..
Though evidently they don't always listen...
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Though evidently they don't always listen...
Well, there's a little problem, imo, what they know is a thing, what their advisers know another one..
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Well, there's a little problem, imo, what they know is a thing, what their advisers know another one..
And it's even more of a mystery if you believe they're innocent, believe me!
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They were taught by Mr Woolfall the jungle law and were excellent pupils : manipulate otherwise you'll be manipulated.
By name and looks, he certainly looked like a wolf standing in the back there LOL
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That's right Red, I was being ironic.
Spent half the day on the other thread noting how they defy SY publicly!
The Mccanns have NEVER IMO taken heed of ANYONE or ANYTHING apart from their own agenda, from the first second to today
Its not in their make up to do so
Gnite
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My own views are mixed in this question. Certainly I am quite sure that Kate and Gerry would be the first to condemn Método 3 and Halligen for what they did in bringing the whole search effort into such disrepute. Not sure about their financial and legal advisers though? >@@(*&)
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My own views are mixed in this question. Certainly I am quite sure that Kate and Gerry would be the first to condemn Método 3 and Halligen for what they did in bringing the whole search effort into such disrepute. Not sure about their financial and legal advisers though? >@@(*&)
Do you believe they ever condemned Metodo3 for paying a psychic lawyer to substitute Mrs Cipriano's one against Mr Amaral ?
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Do they have advisers? I thought Drs McCann were the prime movers and every on else followed the script?
Or are we talking of Metodo3, Oakley International, Alpha Investigations, Clarence Mitchell etc.
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Do they have advisers? I thought Drs McCann were the prime movers and every on else followed the script?
Or are we talking of Metodo3, Oakley International, Alpha Investigations, Clarence Mitchell etc.
I agree Estuarine
I am also of the opinion that the McCanns have been calling the shots all along
It appears to me that these ethereal 'advisers' are trawled out whenever the McCanns' behaviour is in question
A couple of examples off the top of my head :
The McCanns appeared cold and unemotional ... "ah, that's because they were advised to not show emotion"
Kate refused to answer police questions ... "yes, but that was because she was advised not to
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I agree Estuarine
I am also of the opinion that the McCanns have been calling the shots all along
It appears to me that these ethereal 'advisers' are trawled out whenever the McCanns' behaviour is in question
A couple of examples off the top of my head :
The McCanns appeared cold and unemotional ... "ah, that's because they were advised to not show emotion"
Kate refused to answer police questions ... "yes, but that was because she was advised not to
Oakley advised the McCanns to release the photofit of Smithman...............oh no, scrub that !!
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I agree Estuarine
I am also of the opinion that the McCanns have been calling the shots all along
It appears to me that these ethereal 'advisers' are trawled out whenever the McCanns' behaviour is in question
A couple of examples off the top of my head :
The McCanns appeared cold and unemotional ... "ah, that's because they were advised to not show emotion"
Kate refused to answer police questions ... "yes, but that was because she was advised not to
Both with very valid reasons
REASONS, Icabod, recommended by professionals with more knowledge than you and me.
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Oakley advised the McCanns to release the photofit of Smithman...............oh no, scrub that !!
hello, Faith. Long time no see. How are you ?
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hello, Faith. Long time no see. How are you ?
I'm excellent thank you sadie.
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I'm excellent thank you sadie.
Good, pleased to hear it.
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Both with very valid reasons
REASONS, Icabod, recommended by professionals with more knowledge than you and me.
Well I don't believe the McCanns unquestioningly followed advice of 'professionals' and are therefore absolved of any responsibility for the actions they took
In fact, we know that the McCanns sometimes chose to 'ignore' the advice of professionals
For instance, they chose to focus on Madeleine's coloboma in their awareness campaign despite being advised not to
... and Gerry chose to answer police questions, despite being advised not to
It is simply not possible to excuse some of the McCanns behaviour with a dismissive, "they only did it because they were advised to" ( as if they were somehow compelled to follow that advice ) ... not when they cherry-picked which advice to follow and which not to
That 'cherry-picking' indicates that the McCanns were in complete control and merely used the "We were advised to" excuse when their behaviour was, otherwise, inexplicable
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Well I don't believe the McCanns unquestioningly followed advice of 'professionals' and are therefore absolved of any responsibility for the actions they took
In fact, we know that the McCanns sometimes chose to 'ignore' the advice of professionals
For instance, they chose to focus on Madeleine's coloboma in their awareness campaign despite being advised not to
... and Gerry chose to answer police questions, despite being advised not to
It is simply not possible to excuse some of the McCanns behaviour with a dismissive, "they only did it because they were advised to" ( as if they were somehow compelled to follow that advice ) ... not when they cherry-picked which advice to follow and which not to
That 'cherry-picking' indicates that the McCanns were in complete control and merely used the "We were advised to" excuse when their behaviour was, otherwise, inexplicable
My understanding that they were advised to put out every defining feature they could think of .... and afterwards the PJ/ Amaral complained. Cant think why? They did want her found, did they?
For the first 4 months, I am unaware of anything but blind obedience to the PJ and Amaral.
They even accepted the lies put about by people who should have known better, saying that they were well over 100 metres away. Kate in her anxiety to be totally honest even used that distance in her book
I had been aware that it was only 50 metres, Tapas restaurant to,5A, for a good year before others seemed to catch on. I even had to tell people how to measure it on Google earth.
That put paid to the lies and distortions about the distance they were away.
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My understanding that they were advised to put out every defining feature they could think of .... and afterwards the PJ/ Amaral complained. Cant think why? They did want her found, did they?
What a thoroughly nasty thing to insinuate! But you do insnuate this all the time about the police and also about a whole bunch of posters here.And also the constant insinuations people will say things/spread propaganda blah blah to stop her being found! Thoroughly reprehensible IMO!
Presumably you forgot the n't in there
And a cite for the PJ complaining would be handy
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What a thoroughly nasty thing to insinuate! But you do insnuate this all the time about the police and also about a whole bunch of posters here.And also the constant insinuations people will say things/spread propaganda blah blah to stop her being found! Thoroughly reprehensible IMO!
Presumably you forgot the n't in there
And a cite for the PJ complaining would be handy
It's the same old rubbish.
Blame Amaral for everything.
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It's the same old rubbish.
Blame Amaral for everything.
yes why DO people need scapegoats
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yes why DO people need scapegoats
Well we know the answer to that one, don't we. 8)-)))
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Well we know the answer to that one, don't we. 8)-)))
Oh yes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoat
And he is not only one unfortunately
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Well we know the answer to that one, don't we. 8)-)))
You do? Then please share it with us. If you have proof and know who took that child out of the apartment, I would love to know, as would others, but not a scapegoat for an unsolved crime, please.
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It's the same old rubbish.
Blame Amaral for everything.
Even the butterflies @)(++(*
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You do? Then please share it with us. If you have proof and know who took that child out of the apartment, I would love to know, as would others, but not a scapegoat for an unsolved crime, please.
I agree, people should not be made scapegoats for a crime that is indetermined by the
Portuguese authorities
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It's the same old rubbish.
Blame Amaral for everything.
Well it's not going to be so easy to blame Scotland Yard, with whom there appears to be some sort of minor rift.
It will be an interesting comparison case.
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You do? Then please share it with us. If you have proof and know who took that child out of the apartment, I would love to know, as would others, but not a scapegoat for an unsolved crime, please.
What ???
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My understanding that they were advised to put out every defining feature they could think of .... and afterwards the PJ/ Amaral complained. Cant think why? They did want her found, did they?
For the first 4 months, I am unaware of anything but blind obedience to the PJ and Amaral.
They even accepted the lies put about by people who should have known better, saying that they were well over 100 metres away. Kate in her anxiety to be totally honest even used that distance in her book
I had been aware that it was only 50 metres, Tapas restaurant to,5A, for a good year before others seemed to catch on. I even had to tell people how to measure it on Google earth.
That put paid to the lies and distortions about the distance they were away.
Did d you measure how the crow flies, or step it out?
Don't forget the extra 20 metres they all added by inexplicably going the Long Way, through the front door.
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Well it's not going to be so easy to blame Scotland Yard, with whom there appears to be some sort of minor rift.
It will be an interesting comparison case.
Good point
The McCanns have directly questioned Redwood of the Yard's 'moment of revelation'
What does that mean ? ... that the McCanns have no faith in Scotland Yard's investigation ? ... that they are undermining it ? ... that they are ( as they did with the Portuguese police ) running a parallel investigation of their own ? ... that Scotland Yard, like the Portuguese police before them, are being 'unhelpful' to the McCanns ?
It is, as you say, interesting
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Good point
The McCanns have directly questioned Redwood of the Yard's 'moment of revelation'
What does that mean ? ... that the McCanns have no faith in Scotland Yard's investigation ? ... that they are undermining it ? ... that they are ( as they did with the Portuguese police ) running a parallel investigation of their own ? ... that Scotland Yard, like the Portuguese police before them, are being 'unhelpful' to the McCanns ?
It is, as you say, interesting
Time is running out.
The McCann can either stay silent, or speak out.
They've allegedly spoken out, and what they are apparently saying is a repeat of what they've always said.
The Investigators are rubbish.
Now you could ask yourself what YOU would say if all of your lies were about to be revealed...the investigation is going well?
Hardly.
You would continue with the tactic previously proven to be successful - denigrate everyone who comes near the truth.
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Well it's not going to be so easy to blame Scotland Yard, with whom there appears to be some sort of minor rift.
It will be an interesting comparison case.
Keeping Tannerman and going against SY is simple - no.1 priority is survival and saving their own ass.
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Keeping Tannerman and going against SY is simple - no.1 priority is survival and saving their own ass.
Well, whatever their motives, this desperation to hold on to Tannerman, to the point of openly questioning Scotland Yard's investigative conclusions, is certainly odd
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Well, whatever their motives, this desperation to hold on to Tannerman, to the point of openly questioning Scotland Yard's investigative conclusions, is certainly odd
Who will notice this and wonder ?
People seem to start being saturated. Will public opinion oscillate and all of a sudden be capable to hear heterodox information, one that always existed but wasn't as attractive as the abduction from bed phenomenon, nor looked for because human decency, on such issue as the disappearance of a child, prohibited suspicion ?
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Who will notice this and wonder ?
People seem to start being saturated. Will public opinion oscillate and all of a sudden be capable to hear heterodox information, one that always existed but wasn't as attractive as the abduction from bed phenomenon, nor looked for because human decency, on such issue as the disappearance of a child, prohibited suspicion ?
Not while the British media are shoving the 3burglars/managers/cleaners down our throats.
The British public have shown they're still stuck in the early 20th century, when Nice White Professionals were beyond reproach, Doctors were the local Authority on Everything, and child abuse was something only the poors did.
They have a bovine like resistance to upsetting the social applecart, hence, the McCann's are Honest Members of the Establishment and always will be until they're proven otherwise, per Lord Lucan.
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Good point
The McCanns have directly questioned Redwood of the Yard's 'moment of revelation'
What does that mean ? ... that the McCanns have no faith in Scotland Yard's investigation ? ... that they are undermining it ? ... that they are ( as they did with the Portuguese police ) running a parallel investigation of their own ? ... that Scotland Yard, like the Portuguese police before them, are being 'unhelpful' to the McCanns ?
It is, as you say, interesting
The answers very simple if you think about it...particularly as the McCanns are doctors...
Patient goes to their doctor to be told there is not much hope for them...but the doctor will do what they can.
Almost every intelligent person would search the net for other options and explore them...its quite natural...They would still go along with conventional treatment...no one would say they were undermining their doctor...happens all the time
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Time is running out.
The McCann can either stay silent, or speak out.
They've allegedly spoken out, and what they are apparently saying is a repeat of what they've always said.
The Investigators are rubbish.
Now you could ask yourself what YOU would say if all of your lies were about to be revealed...the investigation is going well?
Hardly.
You would continue with the tactic previously proven to be successful - denigrate everyone who comes near the truth.
IIRC The only comment made by the McCanns is how pleased they are with the investigation. Apart from that they have made no comments on the case. How people can actually turn that on its head and convince themselves it means completely the opposite is a total mystery to me.
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Not while the British media are shoving the 3burglars/managers/cleaners down our throats.
The British public have shown they're still stuck in the early 20th century, when Nice White Professionals were beyond reproach, Doctors were the local Authority on Everything, and child abuse was something only the poors did.
They have a bovine like resistance to upsetting the social applecart, hence, the McCann's are Honest Members of the Establishment and always will be until they're proven otherwise, per Lord Lucan.
I can't quibble too much about the principle of that 8(0(*
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Do you believe they ever condemned Metodo3 for paying a psychic lawyer to substitute Mrs Cipriano's one against Mr Amaral ?
What evidence supports that allegation?
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Now where's Derek Acorah when you need him ? @)(++(*