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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Eleanor on April 01, 2014, 09:42:00 AM
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"The parents could not foresee that in the resort that they chose to spend a brief holiday, they could place the life of any of their children in danger, nor was that demanded from them: it was located in a peaceful area, where most of the residents are foreign citizens of the same nationality and without any known history of this type of criminality." End of Quote.
But there was a known history. Two Cases of Sexual Assault against young girls in their beds that The McCanns knew nothing about.
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"The parents could not foresee that in the resort that they chose to spend a brief holiday, they could place the life of any of their children in danger, nor was that demanded from them: it was located in a peaceful area, where most of the residents are foreign citizens of the same nationality and without any known history of this type of criminality." End of Quote.
But there was a known history. Two Cases of Sexual Assault against young girls in their beds that The McCanns knew nothing about.
So you are saying it was perfectly OK to leave 3 young children defenseless in an unlocked residence whilst out drinking and eating.
That sums you up.
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So you are saying it was perfectly OK to leave 3 young children defenseless in an unlocked residence whilst out drinking and eating.
That sums you up.
I am saying that it is entirely unacceptable to hide the fact that sexual assaults were going on against young girls. Two in that village.
I wonder if the locals are bothered about that?
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I am saying that it is entirely unacceptable to hide the fact that sexual assaults were going on against young girls. Two in that village.
I wonder if the locals are bothered about that?
What a pathetic reply and incipiently nasty.
How would you react if the 'locals' had said the same to you.
What this comes down to with you, is a futile attempt to take away attention from the mccanns.
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What a pathetic reply and incipiently nasty.
How would you react if the 'locals' had said the same to you.
What this comes down to with you, is a futile attempt to take away attention from the mccanns.
So you think it is perfectly acceptable to hide the fact that there was a sexual predator on the loose in the area, and for at least three years before The McCanns ever arrived there. And as far as I can see, absolutely nothing was being done about it.
Did The Locals even know? Possibly not, but more shame to them if they did. This is the real disgrace to Portugal.
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So you think it is perfectly acceptable to hide the fact that there was a sexual predator on the loose in the area, and for at least three years before The McCanns ever arrived there. And as far as I can see, absolutely nothing was being done about it.
Did The Locals even know? Possibly not, but more shame to them if they did. This is the real disgrace to Portugal.
Who said it was OK to hide a sexual predator ?
What the hell is wrong with you ?
Get your head out of the sand, common it seems for some mccann supporters.
P.S. Do you have clue at all how many 'sexual predators there are in the UK and known to the police ?
I await your LOGICAL answer.
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Who said it was OK to hide a sexual predator ?
What the hell is wrong with you ?
Get your head out of the sand, common it seems for some mccann supporters.
P.S. Do you have clue at all how many 'sexual predators there are in the UK and known to the police ?
I await your LOGICAL answer.
Inculcation is all you will get mate!
Then me being me it could be incantation. Sitting in a circle sticking pins in Portuguese dolls mumbling
Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder’s fork, and blind-worm’s sting,
Lizard’s leg, and howlet’s wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
Skipping on a bit When will we three meet again?
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Inculcation is all you will get mate!
Then me being me it could be incantation. Sitting in a circle sticking pins in Portuguese dolls mumbling
Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder’s fork, and blind-worm’s sting,
Lizard’s leg, and howlet’s wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
Skipping on a bit When will we three meet again?
Very good. 8((()*/
However, never say the 'M' word. 8)--))
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What a pathetic reply and incipiently nasty.
How would you react if the 'locals' had said the same to you.
What this comes down to with you, is a futile attempt to take away attention from the mccanns.
There is nothing nasty at all about Eleanor's comment. If you discovered a paedaphile had been breaking into properties near to you - and those crimes had been deliberately kept hidden from the public - who would you be disgusted with - the victims or the people who decided to keep you in the dark?
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There is nothing nasty at all about Eleanor's comment. If you discovered a paedaphile had been breaking into properties near to you - and those crimes had been deliberately kept hidden from the public - who would you be disgusted with - the victims or the people who decided to keep you in the dark?
Try reading all my replies more carefully before answering, it would help.
All this 'concern' is only due to trying to divert attention from the mccanns and hang a 'crime' on an unproven source with nae evidence.
However, there is nothing unusual about that in this case.
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Who said it was OK to hide a sexual predator ?
What the hell is wrong with you ?
Get your head out of the sand, common it seems for some mccann supporters.
P.S. Do you have clue at all how many 'sexual predators there are in the UK and known to the police ?
I await your LOGICAL answer.
The Girl Children of British holiday makers were being targeted, and for three years previously. Even in Praia de Luz itself. And no one saw fit to warn the parents of young children.
It ain't me with my head in the sand.
I have never had a problem with The McCann's child care arrangements under the circumstances. But I do have a problem with a Country and a Police Force that puts it's Tourist Trade before the interests of the tourists that they supposedly depend upon. And I have a problem with a bunch of expats and other locals who care more about their own interests.
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The Girl Children of British holiday makers were being targeted, and for three years previously. Even in Praia de Luz itself. And no one saw fit to warn the parents of young children.
It ain't me with my head in the sand.
I have never had a problem with The McCann's child care arrangements under the circumstances. But I do have a problem with a Country and a Police Force that puts it's Tourist Trade before the interests of the tourists that they supposedly depend upon. And I have a problem with a bunch of expats and other locals who care more about their own interests.
You reveal a lot about yourself in your answers or avoidance of the questions posed.
Your default position is simple, DEFEND THE MCCANNS AT ALL COSTS. Everything else is irrelevant.
Where has anyone defended covering up for the behaviour of sexual predators ??
Answer of course, nowhere.
You are merely trying to hang Madeleine's disappearance on the existence of a predator(s) for which there exists no link apart from, of course, in your mind.
You also have failed to answer the questions posed about paedophiles in the UK. Why is that ?
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Try reading all my replies more carefully before answering, it would help.
All this 'concern' is only due to trying to divert attention from the mccanns and hang a 'crime' on an unproven source with nae evidence.
However, there is nothing unusual about that in this case.
The usual predictable moving of the goalposts to avoid replying to a question is noted.
Most people are here to debate their differing but genuinely-held opinions and observations on this case. IMO your overriding reason appears to be to abuse, insult and sneer at anyone and everyone who disagrees with your opinion. That is not what this forum is here for. It is also against forum rules to abuse other posters. Why don't you try attacking the posts and not the posters for a change.
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The Girl Children of British holiday makers were being targeted, and for three years previously. Even in Praia de Luz itself. And no one saw fit to warn the parents of young children.
It ain't me with my head in the sand.
I have never had a problem with The McCann's child care arrangements under the circumstances. But I do have a problem with a Country and a Police Force that puts it's Tourist Trade before the interests of the tourists that they supposedly depend upon. And I have a problem with a bunch of expats and other locals who care more about their own interests.
I am struggling to find the evidence that the "assaults" were reported to the police, does anyone have that cite?
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The usual predictable moving of the goalposts to avoid replying to a question is noted.
Most people are here to debate their differing but genuinely-held opinions and observations on this case. IMO your overriding reason appears to be to abuse, insult and sneer at anyone and everyone who disagrees with your opinion. That is not what this forum is here for. It is also against forum rules to abuse other posters. Why don't you try attacking the posts and not the posters for a change.
As per usual you try to deflect from the truth.
I am merely pointing out the truth.
Deal with it.
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You reveal a lot about yourself in your answers or avoidance of the questions posed.
Your default position is simple, DEFEND THE MCCANNS AT ALL COSTS. Everything else is irrelevant.
Where has anyone defended covering up for the behaviour of sexual predators ??
Answer of course, nowhere.
You are merely trying to hang Madeleine's disappearance on the existence of a predator(s) for which there exists no link apart from, of course, in your mind.
You also have failed to answer the questions posed about paedophiles in the UK. Why is that ?
We aren't talking about sexual predators in UK. We are talking about an abduction on The Algarve wherein a sexual predator could have been involved, but no one in authority saw fit to mention it prior to this catastrophic event, and then not even then. Ten years and no effort has been made until now. No wonder The PJ shelved the inquiry. They probably thought this horror story would never come out.
But if you think a Thread on UK Predators in The UK might be useful then try it on. I will be happy to comment.
As it is, your puerile insults make no impression on me.
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We aren't talking about sexual predators in UK. We are talking about an abduction on The Algarve wherein a sexual predator could have been involved, but no one in authority saw fit to mention it prior to this catastrophic event, and then not even then. Ten years and no effort has been made until now. No wonder The PJ shelved the inquiry. They probably thought this horror story would never come out.
But if you think a Thread on UK Predators in The UK might be useful then try it on. I will be happy to comment.
As it is, your puerile insults make no impression on me.
Provide the proof these sexual predators has anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance.
I make no insults, I simply speak the truth.
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As per usual you try to deflect from the truth.
I am merely pointing out the truth.
Deal with it.
But you are not pointing out 'the truth' Stephen . You are posting only your own 'imaginings' of why other people post. As one of those 'other' people - I for one can tell you that you could not be further from the truth.
Try debating the points you disagree with instead of abusing the people who posted them. You might even get to like it.
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Provide the proof these sexual predators has anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance.
I make no insults, I simply speak the truth.
What exactly do you want me to do?
The PJ and Scotland Yard are on to it, and they have far more evidence than I have. Tell them they are talking rubbish.
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What exactly do you want me to do?
The PJ and Scotland Yard are on to it, and they have far more evidence than I have. Tell them they are talking rubbish.
They are.
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We aren't talking about sexual predators in UK. We are talking about an abduction on The Algarve wherein a sexual predator could have been involved, but no one in authority saw fit to mention it prior to this catastrophic event, and then not even then. Ten years and no effort has been made until now. No wonder The PJ shelved the inquiry. They probably thought this horror story would never come out.
But if you think a Thread on UK Predators in The UK might be useful then try it on. I will be happy to comment.
As it is, your puerile insults make no impression on me.
From Andy Redwood's appeal when he asked people whose children may also have been victims not to assume that if they had reported it in Portugal that they (SY) would necessarily know about it - I assume not all the reports (if any at all) of these crimes were passed on to the UK police. If that is correct - it's outrageous imo.
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From Andy Redwood's appeal when he asked people whose children may also have been victims not to assume that if they had reported it in Portugal that they (SY) would necessarily know about it - I assume not all the reports (if any at all) of these crimes were passed on to the UK police. If that is correct - it's outrageous imo.
Don't be silly, Silly. Goncalo Amaral was hardly likely to tell The UK Police that there was a child abuser on the loose on The Algarve, let alone tell them that he had been at his horrible games in Praia de Luz.
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There is nothing nasty at all about Eleanor's comment. If you discovered a paedaphile had been breaking into properties near to you - and those crimes had been deliberately kept hidden from the public - who would you be disgusted with - the victims or the people who decided to keep you in the dark?
Do you have a cite for these assertions?
It could of course have been an error in translation and the burglar was a paediatrician.
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I am struggling to find the evidence that the "assaults" were reported to the police, does anyone have that cite?
Any help?
“Nine of these offences were reported to police at the time (including the four where there had been a sexual assault); two were reported to a holiday rep and then subsequently to the authorities back in the UK; and one was not reported at the time.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve
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Any help?
“Nine of these offences were reported to police at the time (including the four where there had been a sexual assault); two were reported to a holiday rep and then subsequently to the authorities back in the UK; and one was not reported at the time.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve
Ta.
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What exactly do you want me to do?
The PJ and Scotland Yard are on to it, and they have far more evidence than I have. Tell them they are talking rubbish.
Have they found Madeleine ?
Have they found anything of any consequence which could be proved in a Court of Law ?
Are they spending tax payers money with no end in sight, that being Portugal of course ?
Answers: NO; NO; and YES.
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Paedos exist therefore Maddie was abducted.
I can go with that, I take it all back.
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Paedos exist therefore Maddie was abducted.
I can go with that, I take it all back.
Good. The McCanns need people of your calibre on their side. Snort.
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Paedos exist therefore Maddie was abducted.
I can go with that, I take it all back.
Well they certainly haven't found any evidence whatsoever against The McCanns. So it must have been someone else.
It is just such a pity that so much time was wasted by a bunch of incompetents who must have known about this predator. Don't you think?
Ooops sorry Eleanor, I seem to have pinched your line... but it is also mine
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Do you have a cite for these assertions?
It could of course have been an error in translation and the burglar was a paediatrician.
Are you saying that the person who broke into 12 apartments and sexually assaulted little girls - i.e. the man who SY made the appeal about - was not a paedaphile?
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That's assuming Madeleine can be found, or her remains.
To briefly remind you................
NOT ONE TRACE in nearly 7 years.
No trace of Ben Needham in over 20 years - and yet his mother continues to hope and no doubt will carry on hoping until the day she dies, or until she finds out what happened to her son. If the government agree to give Ben's case the same attention they have given Madeleine - I for one will be delighted. Will you?
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Are you saying that the person who broke into 12 apartments and sexually assaulted little girls - i.e. the man who SY made the appeal about - was not a paedaphile?
Show us all where it says that all 12 break ins included sexual attack.
What I said was give cites to back you assertions.
I take it you cannot.
No surprise there then
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Show us all where it says that all 12 break ins included sexual attack.
What I said was give cites to back you assertions.
I take it you cannot.
No surprise there then
If this man assaulted 3 or 4 girls then hes a paedophile and that's cause for concern
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If this man assaulted 3 or 4 girls then hes a paedophile and that's cause for concern
5 girls in 4 properties.
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5 girls in 4 pro
that can't be ignored and COULD be related to Maddie's disappearance
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If this man assaulted 3 or 4 girls then hes a paedophile and that's cause for concern
True, but it doesn't mean there is any connection to the mccann case, does it ?
e.g. NO FORENSIC PROOF, i.e. b....r all of anything.
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True, but it doesn't mean there is any connection to the mccann case, does it ?
e.g. NO FORENSIC PROOF, i.e. b....r all of anything.
The police never know at this stage if there is a link or not...there could be a link
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5 girls in 4 pro
that can't be ignored and COULD be related to Maddie's disappearance
No it can't be ignored. I don't doubt those children were traumatised. Whether it is related to the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann or not, I hope the perpetrator is caught.
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No it can't be ignored. I don't doubt those children were traumatised. Whether it is related to the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann or not, I hope the perpetrator is caught.
were they investigated by the pj
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Before getting involved in these cases I never heard anything about Portuguese child assaults and abductions/disappearances or whatever you want to call them. I find the whole thing rather worrying from a parents point of view. The comments that Praia da Luz was a paedophiles paradise are very worrying and must have been incredibly damaging to the entire area as far as tourism was concerned.
Was there a concerted effort made to hush up these assaults and abductions in order to protect the areas tourism industry?
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Show us all where it says that all 12 break ins included sexual attack.
What I said was give cites to back you assertions.
I take it you cannot.
No surprise there then
I didn't claim that he assaulted children on every occasion. He did break into 12 apartments and he did sexually assault little girls. - however looking back at my post I can see that I could have worded it better.
However IMO SY obviously have reason to believe it was the same man on every occasion. How many children would he have to sexually attack before you would consider him to be a paedaphile?
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Before getting involved in these cases I never heard anything about child assaults and abductions/disappearances or whatever you want to call them. I find the whole thing rather worrying from a parents point of view. The comments that Praia da Luz was a paedophiles paradise are very worrying and must have been incredibly damaging to the entire area as fas as tourism was concerned.
Was there a concerted effort made to hush up these assaults and abductions in order to protect the areas tourism industry?
I'd have no problems taking my kids to the ocean club.
I'd be safe in the knowledge that if I practice responsible parenting, use the day & night creche facilities when required & keep the living room sofa pushed firmly up against the wall, there would be nothing to worry about.
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I'd have no problems taking my kids to the ocean club.
I'd be safe in the knowledge that if I practice responsible parenting, use the day & night creche facilities when required & keep the living room sofa pushed firmly up against the wall, there would be nothing to worry about.
Maybe we should arrange a forum outing and a get together at OC? @)(++(* Masks not mandatory of course.