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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on June 12, 2014, 03:47:12 PM
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The Portuguese Republic was born on the 5th of October 1910, when Republican rebels overthrew King Manuel II, establishing a federal republic type government. The moment was symbolically marked when the leaders of the revolution addressed the people from the balcony of Parliament House in Lisbon.
Many people supported this revolution because they thought that the monarchy was responsible for the terrible economical/social crisis that the country was facing. They thought that the new government would solve all their problems. They were wrong, in fact it made them worse. And worse still, the government involved the country in World War I, causing an even greater crisis.
In this climate, fascism began to grow, like in many European countries at the time, supported by the majority of the people.
Finally, in 1926, General Gomes da Costa marched into the capital and implemented a military dictatorship. This still didn't change much: the economic crisis continued and riots broke out around the country.
But things would change. In 1928, a 39 year old Antonio Oliveira Salazar was invited to be Minister of Finance, by the Government. In one year, he managed to achieve "a miracle", reversing the economic balance through rigorous control of finances. From this act, Salazar gained enormous influence in the government and the people started to worship him, in fact they even called him "O salvador da nação" (The savior of the nation).
Salazar quickly ascended to power, being nominated President of the Council of Ministers (equivalent to the Prime Minister of today) in 1932. And with the new Portuguese constitution of 1933, a fascist regime was now ruling Portugal. The New State (Estado Novo) was born.
Opposed to communism, socialism, liberalism, and anti-colonialism, the pro-Roman Catholic Estado Novo Portugal preserved a vast, centuries-old empire. Fiercely criticised by most of the international community after World War II and decolonization, the regime and its secret police repressed elementary civil liberties and political freedoms in order to remain in power, and to avoid communist influence and the dissolution of its empire. It was one of the longest-surviving right-wing dictatorships in Europe, outliving the fascist regimes in Germany and Italy by three decades.
Portugal joined the United Nations (UN) in 1955, and was a founding member of NATO (1949), OECD (1961), and EFTA (1960). In 1968 Marcelo Caetano was appointed the new head of government. On 25 April 1974, the Carnation Revolution in Lisbon, a military coup organized by left-wing Portuguese military officers – the Armed Forces Movement (MFA) –, overthrew the Estado Novo regime and ended 48 years of dictatorship in Portugal.
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rubbish...can you name one case anywhere in the world where suspects have been asked to prove their innocence...it is fascism in the extreme
You know what? I come from the country that was greatly affected by the fascists/nazis during the Second World War. There aren't many things that make me angry more than an idiot who uses the label "fascist" as lightly and carelessly as you. Doing that you are putting the McCanns that had to answer some questions tohether with millions of people murdered and torturedin unspeakable ways. So please refrain from labeling anything that was uncomfortable for McCanns as fascist.
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You know what? I come from the country that was greatly affected by the fascists/nazis during the Second World War. There aren't many things that make me angry more than an idiot who uses the label "fascist" as lightly and carelessly as you. Doing that you are putting the McCanns that had to answer some questions tohether with millions of people murdered and torturedin unspeakable ways. So please refrain from labeling anything that was uncomfortable for McCanns as fascist.
Im not bothered what you think...Portugal was a fascist country and elements still remain.Expecting people to prove their innocence is a sign of fascism and a disgrace
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You know what? I come from the country that was greatly affected by the fascists/nazis during the Second World War. There aren't many things that make me angry more than an idiot who uses the label "fascist" as lightly and carelessly as you. Doing that you are putting the McCanns that had to answer some questions tohether with millions of people murdered and torturedin unspeakable ways. So please refrain from labeling anything that was uncomfortable for McCanns as fascist.
I am really sorry about that. But do you think that trying to stitch up The McCanns will make you feel better?
It did have Fascist connotations, and you ought to be angry about that.
I have some experience of this myself, which is one of the reasons for why I fight for the rights of The McCanns. My reaction is totally opposite to yours.
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Im not bothered what you think...Portugal was a fascist country and elements still remain.Expecting people to prove their innocence is a sign of fascism and a disgrace
Now you show a massive ignorance. Portugal, though ruled for years by a dictator, was never a fascist country, I don't know, maybe you confuse it with Spain. During the Second World War Portugal was neutral and opened it's aerial bases to the Allies. Learn before you speak.
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Now you show a massive ignorance. Portugal, though ruled for years by a dictator, was never a fascist country, I don't know, maybe you confuse it with Spain. During the Second World War Portugal was neutral and opened it's aerial bases to the Allies. Learn before you speak.
Perhaps you should read this?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fascism-Resistance-Portugal-Communists-Dissidents/dp/0719027977
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Now you show a massive ignorance. Portugal, though ruled for years by a dictator, was never a fascist country, I don't know, maybe you confuse it with Spain. During the Second World War Portugal was neutral and opened it's aerial bases to the Allies. Learn before you speak.
im not surprised you want to deny portugals fascist past....amaral and the Pj have made Portugal a laughing stock...they were so inept they have had to let SY come in and do a proper job
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Now you show a massive ignorance. Portugal, though ruled for years by a dictator, was never a fascist country, I don't know, maybe you confuse it with Spain. During the Second World War Portugal was neutral and opened it's aerial bases to the Allies. Learn before you speak.
Sorry, but Portugal was a fascist dictatorship as was Spain.
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You know what? I come from the country that was greatly affected by the fascists/nazis during the Second World War. There aren't many things that make me angry more than an idiot who uses the label "fascist" as lightly and carelessly as you. Doing that you are putting the McCanns that had to answer some questions tohether with millions of people murdered and torturedin unspeakable ways. So please refrain from labeling anything that was uncomfortable for McCanns as fascist.
Fascism does not always equal Nazism.
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Sorry, but Portugal was a fascist dictatorship as was Spain.
many thanks for your honesty
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Sorry, but Portugal was a fascist dictatorship as was Spain.
Not every dictatorship is fascist and Portugal did not support fascist/nazis during the war. And I am greatly disturbed by the misuse of the word "fascist" by some people on this message board. It's so very much not right.
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Not every dictatorship is fascist and Portugal did not support fascist/nazis during the war. And I am greatly disturbed by the misuse of the word "fascist" by some people on this message board. It's so very much not right.
Portugal did not support the Nazi regime but Salazar was a far right dictator. His was a fascist regime.
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im not surprised you want to deny portugals fascist past....amaral and the Pj have made Portugal a laughing stock...they were so inept they have had to let SY come in and do a proper job
What has Portugal's fascist past got to do with Amaral and the PJ? After the fall of the regime in 1974, many new laws were passed which ensured that people did not have to suffer any more abuse from the police as they did under the PIDE. This is why any confession is only valid when made in the courtroom in front of the judge. During the regime many people were convicted on the sole basis of confessions beaten and tortured out of them by the PIDE. My husband's uncle went crazy after spending several years in a prison in Tarrafal.
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Not every dictatorship is fascist and Portugal did not support fascist/nazis during the war. And I am greatly disturbed by the misuse of the word "fascist" by some people on this message board. It's so very much not right.
I think we all understand what fascist means..apart from you that is.
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What has Portugal's fascist past got to do with Amaral and the PJ? After the fall of the regime in 1974, many new laws were passed which ensured that people did not have to suffer any more abuse from the police as they did under the PIDE. This is why any confession is only valid when made in the courtroom in front of the judge. During the regime many people were convicted on the sole basis of confessions beaten and tortured out of them by the PIDE.
some of us have reason to believe it is still going on...with amaral being convicted for covering up torture
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I think we all understand what fascist means..apart from you that is.
Half of my family spent the war in concentration camps, so don't friggin' tell me I don't understand what is fascism.
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Half of my family spent the war in concentration camps, so don't friggin' tell me I don't understand what is fascism.
You don't understand what fascism means...most of my family fought to free people from concentration camps
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You don't understand what fascism means...most of my family fought to free people from concentration camps
and we have your word for that ??
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The british have been given credit for inventing the concentration camp...off to Argentinian restaurant now...fascists..
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and we have your word for that ??
that's quite an insult to the young men who gave up their youth and some of them there lives to fight the Nazis...not just my family...a whole generation
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that's quite an insult to the young men who gave up their youth and some of them there lives to fight the Nazis...not just my family...a whole generation
You are very fond of trying to twist words to your own ends, and it has already been established you tell lies.
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Now you show a massive ignorance. Portugal, though ruled for years by a dictator, was never a fascist country, I don't know, maybe you confuse it with Spain. During the Second World War Portugal was neutral and opened it's aerial bases to the Allies. Learn before you speak.
Oh really. I don't think so.
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What has Portugal's fascist past got to do with Amaral and the PJ? After the fall of the regime in 1974, many new laws were passed which ensured that people did not have to suffer any more abuse from the police as they did under the PIDE. This is why any confession is only valid when made in the courtroom in front of the judge. During the regime many people were convicted on the sole basis of confessions beaten and tortured out of them by the PIDE. My husband's uncle went crazy after spending several years in a prison in Tarrafal.
The tortured confessions of The Ciprianos were allowed in Court. So much for that.
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You don't understand what fascism means...most of my family fought to free people from concentration camps
I don't know how you dare make a comment such as that in response to Martina.
That is the lowest of the low.
DISGRACEFUL.
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I don't know how you dare make a comment such as that in response to Martina.
That is the lowest of the low.
DISGRACEFUL.
talking rubbish as usual..thats your second comment to that post and this one ten hours after the post was made...is that how long it takes you to come up with a reply
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talking rubbish as usual
No davel.
You have revealed yourself to be the lowest of the low.
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No davel.
You have revealed yourself to be the lowest of the low.
in the opinion of someone who has the IQ of a snail
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in the opinion of someone who has the IQ of a snail
This from someone who has been revealed as a liar.
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This from someone who has been revealed as a liar.
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None of your posts to me have been in any way connected to the thread...just personal attacks on me...in reinforces to other posters on here that you are a complete idiot...carry on attacking me you are making a complete fool of yourself...the one thing you excel at
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None of your posts to me have been in any way connected to the thread...just personal attacks on me...in reinforces to other posters on here that you are a complete idiot...carry on attacking me you are making a complete fool of yourself...the one thing you excel at
don't deluyde yourself.
No davel,
Just look at what you said to Martina last night.
We know who is the unpleasant piece of work.
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don't deluyde yourself.
No davel,
Just look at what you said to Martina last night.
We know who is the unpleasant piece of work.
I said my family fought to free people from concentration camps...I think that's quite a noble thing
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I said my family fought to free people from concentration camps...I think that's quite a noble thing
What did you say to Martina ?
MARTINA.........
'Half of my family spent the war in concentration camps, so don't friggin' tell me I don't understand what is fascism.'
YOU..............
'You don't understand what fascism means...most of my family fought to free people from concentration camps'
As to what you said, merely hearsay with nothing to back it up.
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What did you say to Martina ?
MARTINA.........
'Half of my family spent the war in concentration camps, so don't friggin' tell me I don't understand what is fascism.'
YOU..............
'You don't understand what fascism means...most of my family fought to free people from concentration camps'
As to what you said, merely hearsay with nothing to back it up.
neither has martina...what was wrong with my post...
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neither has martina...what was wrong with my post...
..................and that personifies what is wrong with you.
Like I said you've told lies on here.
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..................and that personifies what is wrong with you.
Like I said you've told lies on here.
couldn't answer that one could you Stephen...try this one...
whilst a whole generation of young british men, including my family, fought to free the concentration camp victims...what were the Portuguese doing?
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couldn't answer that one could you Stephen...try this one...
whilst a whole generation of young british men, including my family, fought to free the concentration camp victims...what were the Portuguese doing?
One word................
PROOF.
Now explain your comments to Martina.
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One word................
PROOF.
Now explain your comments to Martina.
Does martina have proof her relatives were in concentration camps...I would think that every british person has family who fought in the war...wouldn't you agree
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While the british fought to liberate the camps the Portuguese supplied food and goods to the Nazis to support their war campaign...read a bit of history Stephen...the concentration camp victims were helped by the british...the Portuguese supported the Nazi campaign
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Does martina have proof her relatives were in concentration camps...I would think that every british person has family who fought in the war...wouldn't you agree
What did you say to Martina ?
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What did you say to Martina ?
I said my family fought to free the concentration camps
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and you have lots of support on here...particularly stephen
I haven't seen any of 'my supporters' @)(++(* agreeing with me on this subject.
Have you?
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I haven't seen any of 'my supporters' @)(++(* agreeing with me on tis subject.
Have you?
I never said they did...you are not quite as smart as you think you are
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I never said they did...you are not quite as smart as you think you are
That's why I asked.
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I said my family fought to free the concentration camps
No PROOF.
.and here's what you missed out and clear for all to see, in what you said to Martina............
'You don't understand what fascism means............'
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Ah goody, a thread in which we can discuss the Nazis without being accused of invoking Godwin's Law.
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No PROOF.
.and here's what you missed out and clear for all to see, in what you said to Martina............
'You don't understand what fascism means............'
well she doesn't...as every other poster said...Portugal was a fascist country..
your friend WS ...supports the Nazis...and therefore what they did to martina's family..perhaps martina may be alittle more offended by that
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well she doesn't...as every other poster said...Portugal was a fascist country..
your friend WS ...supports the Nazis...and therefore what they did to martina's family..perhaps martina may be alittle more offended by that
Past tense, not now.
You are still avoiding the issue with Martina.
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Past tense, not now.
You are still avoiding the issue with Martina.
avoiding nothing...Portugal was fascist country...she was wrong..
ws is far more offensive towards her family
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avoiding nothing...Portugal was fascist country...she was wrong..
ws is far more offensive towards her family
So you are saying Martina doesn't understand fascism, even though members of her family were in concentration camps ?
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So you are saying Martina doesn't understand fascism, even though members of her family were in concentration camps ?
If she thinks portugal was not a fascist country then she does not understand fascism
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So you are saying Martina doesn't understand fascism, even though members of her family were in concentration camps ?
The experiences of Martina's relatives is rather incidental to the discussion at hand.
The concept of having to prove innocence is, with a small f, a fascist one.
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If she thinks portugal was not a fascist country then she does not understand fascism
You're not going to get away with that.
Answer the question properly or don't reply.
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The experiences of Martina's relatives is rather incidental to the discussion at hand.
The concept of having to prove innocence is, with a small f, a fascist one.
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Agreed
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You're not going to get away with that.
Answer the question properly or don't reply.
shut up and stop behaving like an idiot...Portugal was a fascist country and the principle of having to prove innocence is a fascist principle...
Im off now
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shut up and stop behaving like an idiot...Portugal was a fascist country and the principle of having to prove innocence is a fascist principle...
Im off now
You're not going to escape with that.
You show the nature of a fascist, and cannot come up wit h a coherent reply, let alone an apology for what you've said.
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You're not going to escape with that.
You show the nature of a fascist, and cannot come up wit h a coherent reply, let alone an apology for what you've said.
apology for what..you aren't making any sense..as usual
I said that martina doesn't understand fascism whats wrong with that
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This is worth reading:-
http://mises.org/daily/2360/.
confirmation portugal was a fascist state from this paper
The fascist regime of Portugal is a curiosity among the fascist orders of Europe. Its admirers, of which there are great numbers in this country and Europe, like to call it a "Christian Corporativism." This it is, modeled on the old medieval guild form of government so much admired and earnestly urged upon Britain and America by some of her most devout socialist and other leaders, such as Hobson and Cole. The case of Portugal is, however, a very special one, molded by peculiar conditions and saved now by the war and Portugal's alliance with England.
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Was there ever any doubt? but here are degrees of fascism as the paper points out.
Some people think they live in a true democracy because there is general election every few years.
was there any doubt...this is martinas post...
Now you show a massive ignorance. Portugal, though ruled for years by a dictator, was never a fascist country, I don't know, maybe you confuse it with Spain. During the Second World War Portugal was neutral and opened it's aerial bases to the Allies. Learn before you speak.
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was there any doubt...this is martinas post...
Now you show a massive ignorance. Portugal, though ruled for years by a dictator, was never a fascist country, I don't know, maybe you confuse it with Spain. During the Second World War Portugal was neutral and opened it's aerial bases to the Allies. Learn before you speak.
FRANCO, SPAIN.
Look up.
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FRANCO, SPAIN.
Look up.
we are talking about Portugal and it has been shown that Portugal was a fascist country...I was right...martina was wrong
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we are talking about Portugal and it has been shown that Portugal was a fascist country...I was right...martina was wrong
You bought up Spain dave, not me.
have you apologized to Martina yet, for saying she didn't understand fascism, even though members of her family had been in concentration camps ?
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You bought up Spain dave, not me.
have you apologized to Martina yet, for saying she didn't understand fascism, even though members of her family had been in concentration camps ?
Martina brought spain up...I was quoting her post.
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shall we deal with the spain bit first...the bit you just got totally wrong
You brought up Spain this morning and I replied to that,no more.
Now apologize to Martina, if of course you have the b##ls.
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You bought up Spain dave, not me.
have you apologized to Martina yet, for saying she didn't understand fascism, even though members of her family had been in concentration camps ?
Martina brought up Spain actually. This really is very childish. I think we are all agreed (with the exception of Martina) that Portugal was a fascist state. Davel has nothing to apologise for as he is right and she is wrong. Having relatives in concentration camps does not change that fact.
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Martina brought up Spain actually. This really is very childish. I think we are all agreed (with the exception of Martina) that Portugal was a fascist state. Davel has nothing to apologise for as he is right and she is wrong. Having relatives in concentration camps does not change that fact.
Read my previous comment, and try to comprehend.
IF YOU CAN.
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You brought up Spain this morning and I replied to that,no more.
Now apologize to Martina, if of course you have the b##ls.
If I quote another posters post it is not me who has brought it up. As regards martinas family and the concentration camps... I owe an apology to WS...he is quite right of course...the world would be a better palce if the Nazis had won...more concentration camps he points out..if you have a problem with that take it up with him
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This was a truly honourable Portuguese man, who ended his days, living in France, in disgrace and penury because he defied the fascist regime of Salazar.
There is a truly wonderful film, on YouTube, if anyone is interested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristides_de_Sousa_Mendes
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Yes, it does all get a bit beyond a joke in the end. Every post directed at the likes of me is an insult, to which we are supposedly not allowed to respond in kind.
Portugal was a Fascist State, and unfortunately some of it spilled over, and still exists to this day. The Fascists just regrouped and then came back into power, where some of them still remain.
The actual Revolution was a complete cock up because no one really knew what they were doing. But there is nothing unusual in that. Read some of the history after the supposed Revolution.
Sadly, some of them finished up in The PJ. And quite a large number of those in power today were raised within the Salazar Regime anyway.
Anyone who believes that Torture is the way to go is a Fascist.
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Eddie was recommended and provided by the National Policing Improvement Agency.
Nothing to do with the "National Socialist Party".
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Eddie was recommended and provided by the National Policing Improvement Agency.
Nothing to do with the "National Socialist Party".
So not by South Yorkshire Police?
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Oh, by the way, has anyone read my Wikopedia link to just about the bravest man that ever called himself Portuguese?
Sadly, he shared his name in some part with Goncalo Amaral de Sousa. Oh, what shame. A man who saved so many Jews, among others. A man who walked the path with those he saved.
Amaral only cared about himself, and then violated every Catholic rule in the book.
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Yeah I read Martina's post; my interpretation of it was in the context of what was being written the posters meaning was Portugal was not part of The Axis. Obviously you are entitled to interpret the post differently. You are not however the sole arbiter of what other posters mean and your decision is not final. In strict terms Portugal was fascist as are/were a lot of countries which could not bracketed in with the Second World War Axis.
You are flogging a dead horse chap.
Portugal did support The Nazis. But they thought that no one noticed.
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Portugal was crawling with Nazis during the War. And actively denying safety to The Jews, although I don't know if Salzar was anti semetic. But denying them safety says enough to me.
The entire thought makes me feel ill.
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Portugal was crawling with Nazis during the War. And actively denying safety to The Jews, although I don't know if Salzar was anti semetic. But denying them safety says enough to me.
The entire thought makes me feel ill.
Yet you live in France that actually actively helped Nazis to kill Jews. Hmmm... >@@(*&)
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Yet you live in France that actually actively helped Nazis to kill Jews. Hmmm... >@@(*&)
Don't be ridiculous. It was nearly seventy years ago. And The French are falling over themselves to apologise. But I do have to say that no one will ever quite forgive Vichy France. The rest of France had no choice.
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Yeah I read Martina's post; my interpretation of it was in the context of what was being written the posters meaning was Portugal was not part of The Axis. Obviously you are entitled to interpret the post differently. You are not however the sole arbiter of what other posters mean and your decision is not final. In strict terms Portugal was fascist as are/were a lot of countries which could not bracketed in with the Second World War Axis.
You are flogging a dead horse chap.
This is martinas post..Now you show a massive ignorance. Portugal, though ruled for years by a dictator, was never a fascist country, I don't know, maybe you confuse it with Spain. During the Second World War Portugal was neutral and opened it's aerial bases to the Allies. Learn before you speak.
So when martina says "Portugal was never a fascist country" I am wrong to believe she means Portugal was never a fascist country....
I cant believe you posted that..pathetic...absolutely pathetic
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Yet you live in France that actually actively helped Nazis to kill Jews. Hmmm... >@@(*&)
It seems WS thinks it would have been better if the Nazis had won the war and we could have had more concentration camps... I'M surprised you are not offended by that..
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Don't be ridiculous. It was nearly seventy years ago.
And when did Portugal deny safety for the Jews? Not seventy years by chance? Smells like the good ole' double standards.
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And when did Portugal deny safety for the Jews? Not seventy years by chance? Smells like the good ole' double standards.
So I think we are clear..Portugal was fascist
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And when did Portugal deny safety for the Jews? Not seventy years by chance? Smells like the good ole' double standards.
Ah, but Portugal did try. But for one brave man.
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So I think we are clear..Portugal was fascist
I think we can safely say that.
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So I think we are clear..Portugal was fascist
The United States denied the asylum for the Jews fleeing Germany in 1939. were they fascist too?
Disclaimer: I am not saying it was okay.
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The United States denied the asylum for the Jews fleeing Germany in 1939. were they fascist too?
Disclaimer: I am not saying it was okay.
Oh, good. However, America ain't looking pristine at the moment.
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The United States denied the asylum for the Jews fleeing Germany in 1939. were they fascist too?
Disclaimer: I am not saying it was okay.
It was the US that supplied the soldiers to help liberate the concentration camps..Portugal was a fascist country...everybody is agreed except you
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So you are the first to fling the insults then calling me or my post whichever pathetic.
Par for the course.
no not the first ..read back...I don't know why you make a post such as the one you did,,,martina clearly said Portugal was not fascist...she is wrong...why cant you just admit it...that's what makes your post pathetic...fair comment in my book
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Has this actually got anything to do with being pathetic? Portugal was Fascist. And still is in some quarters.
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The United States denied the asylum for the Jews fleeing Germany in 1939. were they fascist too?
Disclaimer: I am not saying it was okay.
This thread is about Portugal....or shall we move on to the jewish treatment of the palestinians
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It was the US that supplied the soldiers to help liberate the concentration camps..Portugal was a fascist country...everybody is agreed except you
Strangely, we have the Japanese to thank for our freedom here in Europe.
The US had no intention of entering WWII and as Europe had fallen, the UK was next. We could not stop the Nazis so it was inevitable what our fate was going to be. Then the smart Japanese decided to kick butt and attacked Pearl Harbour in Hawaii. The US was forced to enter the war and the rest as they say is history.
Except for one thing. The UK was hugely in debt to the US for all the armaments which the Americans had supplied so in order to pay off the debt we had to hand over the odd tropical island as part payment. Diego Garcia had been a British possession until 1966, when London allowed the U.S. to use it as a military base in exchange for cancelling a $14-million British debt for a military hardware purchase.
IIRC it is only in recent times that the debt has been repaid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6215847.stm
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Strangely, we have the Japanese to thank for our freedom here in Europe.
The US had no intention of entering WWII and as Europe had fallen, the UK was next. We could not stop the Nazis so it was inevitable what our fate was going to be. Then the smart Japanese decided to kick butt and attacked Pearl Harbour in Hawaii. The US was forced to enter the war and the rest as they say is history.
Except for one thing. The UK was hugely in debt to the US for all the armaments which the Americans had supplied so in order to pay off the debt we had to hand over the odd tropical island as part payment. IIRC it is only in recent times that the debt has been repaid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6215847.stm
sounds like a false flag to me
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Strangely, we have the Japanese to thank for our freedom here in Europe.
The US had no intention of entering WWII and as Europe had fallen, the UK was next. We could not stop the Nazis so it was inevitable what our fate was going to be. Then the smart Japanese decided to kick butt and attacked Pearl Harbour in Hawaii. The US was forced to enter the war and the rest as they say is history.
Except for one thing. The UK was hugely in debt to the US for all the armaments which the Americans had supplied so in order to pay off the debt we had to hand over the odd tropical island as part payment. Diego Garcia had been a British possession until 1966, when London allowed the U.S. to use it as a military base in exchange for cancelling a $14-million British debt for a military hardware purchase.
IIRC it is only in recent times that the debt has been repaid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6215847.stm
I would rather not discuss America with regard to World War 11.
But I would like to sincerely thank the American men, black and white, who went to war on our behalf. Some of them did this before America got it's butt kicked.
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Sometimes I get the feeling that the words I write on this forum must go through some sort of mistranslation process before Stephen reads them, anyone else feel like that?
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Sometimes I get the feeling that the words I write on this forum must go through some sort of mistranslation process before Stephen reads them, anyone else feel like that?
No.
I know precisely what you are up to.
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No.
I know precisely what you are up to.
what, precisely, am I up to then?
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Sometimes I get the feeling that the words I write on this forum must go through some sort of mistranslation process before Stephen reads them, anyone else feel like that?
Why do you get the feeling that this feeling is confined to you?
Oops
Only just read the second part of your post.
Yes!
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Why do you get the feeling that this feeling is confined to you?
Oops
Only just read the second part of your post.
Yes!
Care to scoot over to the other thread and example why you think a newspaper article with selected quotes is a better record of a court session than a full transcript ?