Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Mr Moderator on June 25, 2014, 05:34:03 PM
Title: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Moderator on June 25, 2014, 05:34:03 PM
Clearly the Joana Cipriano case and the Madeleine McCann case had much in common but coincidentally the same Portuguese detective was tasked with coordinating both disappearances, that detective was Dr Gonçalo Amaral.
Spanish private investigators Método 3, based in Barcelona, were tasked with finding Madeleine McCann but it appears that their brief extended much further.
We look at who said what and when.
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Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Carana on July 02, 2014, 09:58:33 AM
...but the question I would like answered is this. Who instructed Metodo 3 to arrange legal representation for Leonor Cipriano,the only purpose of such being to undermine Amaral?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on July 02, 2014, 10:01:50 AM
...but the question I would like answered is this. Who instructed Metodo 3 to arrange legal representation for Leonor Cipriano,the only purpose of such being to undermine Amaral?
That is something you already know.
The mccanns employed metodo3. They 'employed' Correia to attack Amaral.
Cause and effect.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Carana on July 02, 2014, 10:05:31 AM
...but the question I would like answered is this. Who instructed Metodo 3 to arrange legal representation for Leonor Cipriano,the only purpose of such being to undermine Amaral?
A simple search will take you to Cipriano's former lawyer who made public that Metodo3 had attempted to lean on him in order to discredit Amaral.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Carana on July 02, 2014, 11:22:18 AM
A simple search will take you to Cipriano's former lawyer who made public that Metodo3 had attempted to lean on him in order to discredit Amaral.
I thought that providing credible sources to substantiate allegations when possible was part of the forum rules on here. Or is this no longer considered important?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2014, 03:19:01 PM
...but the question I would like answered is this. Who instructed Metodo 3 to arrange legal representation for Leonor Cipriano,the only purpose of such being to undermine Amaral?
It might never be known who if anyone instructed Método 3 in relation to discrediting Amaral but we know for sure who was paying them.
I thought that providing credible sources to substantiate allegations when possible was part of the forum rules on here. Or is this no longer considered important?
This has been covered in some depth previously. Two lawyers both of whom seperately acted for Leonor Cipriano have accused Método 3 of attempting to coerce them into finding dirt against Gonçalo Amaral.
Extract from SIC magazine 15 February 2009
Leonor Cipriano was defended during the entire PJ torture investigation by the lawyer João Grade dos Santos but, "on the eve of the start of trial, the client waived the services of the lawyer,"
Acting on behalf of the McCanns, Método 3, tried to recruit Leonor Cipriano's lawyer, João Grade dos Santos, explaining that his help would be very helpful to their investigations, given the similarities between the two cases. Método 3 stated that "spending money was no problem" and pulled to the fore the theme "Gonçalo Amaral". Only months later, having already refused to work for the Spanish agency, Grade realized that Método 3 had their own "agenda". This "agenda" was, according to SIC, to get a lawyer to put Gonçalo Amaral "out of operation", since, in both cases, the detective seemed to want the same: the culpability of the parents.
Faced with the refusal of João Grade dos Santos, Método 3 approached another lawyer - the young Marcos Aragão Correia, who came to participate in searches of Madeleine as a medium and subsequently became involved in investigations related to the Joana case, eventually being engaged to defend Leonor Cipriano in the trial against the five inspectors from Faro.
Read it for yourself here. (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/agencia-de-detectives-que-procurou-maddie-recrutou-advogado-para-queimar-goncalo-amaral-no-caso-joana-cipriano-1365298&prev=/search%3Fq%3Djo%25C3%25A3o%2Bgrade%2Bdos%2Bsantos%26client%3Dms-opera-mobile%26channel%3Dnew)
This has been covered in some depth previously. Two lawyers both of whom seperately acted for Leonor Cipriano have accused Método 3 of attempting to coerce them into finding dirt against Gonçalo Amaral.
Extract from SIC magazine 15 February 2009
Leonor Cipriano was defended during the entire PJ torture investigation by the lawyer João Grade dos Santos but, "on the eve of the start of trial, the client waived the services of the lawyer,"
Acting on behalf of the McCanns, Método 3, tried to recruit Leonor Cipriano's lawyer, João Grade dos Santos, explaining that his help would be very helpful to their investigations, given the similarities between the two cases. Método 3 stated that "spending money was no problem" and pulled to the fore the theme "Gonçalo Amaral". Only months later, having already refused to work for the Spanish agency, Grade realized that Método 3 had their own "agenda". This "agenda" was, according to SIC, to get a lawyer to put Gonçalo Amaral "out of operation", since, in both cases, the detective seemed to want the same: the culpability of the parents.
Faced with the refusal of João Grade dos Santos, Método 3 approached another lawyer - the young Marcos Aragão Correia, who came to participate in searches of Madeleine as a medium and subsequently became involved in investigations related to the Joana case, eventually being engaged to defend Leonor Cipriano in the trial against the five inspectors from Faro.
Read it for yourself here. (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/agencia-de-detectives-que-procurou-maddie-recrutou-advogado-para-queimar-goncalo-amaral-no-caso-joana-cipriano-1365298&prev=/search%3Fq%3Djo%25C3%25A3o%2Bgrade%2Bdos%2Bsantos%26client%3Dms-opera-mobile%26channel%3Dnew)
Where is the quote from either lawyer...what you have posted is an article by a journalist called Peter Rabbit making accusations..not convincing..is this the best evidence you can find
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Brietta on July 05, 2014, 03:42:56 PM
This has been covered in some depth previously. Two lawyers both of whom seperately acted for Leonor Cipriano have accused Método 3 of attempting to coerce them into finding dirt against Gonçalo Amaral.
Extract from SIC magazine 15 February 2009
Leonor Cipriano was defended during the entire PJ torture investigation by the lawyer João Grade dos Santos but, "on the eve of the start of trial, the client waived the services of the lawyer,"
Acting on behalf of the McCanns, Método 3, tried to recruit Leonor Cipriano's lawyer, João Grade dos Santos, explaining that his help would be very helpful to their investigations, given the similarities between the two cases. Método 3 stated that "spending money was no problem" and pulled the fore the theme "Gonçalo Amaral". Only months later, having already refused to work for the Spanish agency, Grade realized that Método 3 had their own "agenda". This "agenda" was, according to SIC, to get a lawyer to put Gonçalo Amaral "out of operation", since, in both cases, the detective seemed to want the same: the culpability of the parents.
Faced with the refusal of João Grade dos Santos, Método 3 approached another lawyer - the young Marcos Aragão Correia, who came to participate in searches of Madeleine as a medium and subsequently became involved in investigations related to the Joana case, eventually being engaged to defend Leonor Cipriano in the trial against the five inspectors from Faro.
Read it for yourself here. (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/agencia-de-detectives-que-procurou-maddie-recrutou-advogado-para-queimar-goncalo-amaral-no-caso-joana-cipriano-1365298&prev=/search%3Fq%3Djo%25C3%25A3o%2Bgrade%2Bdos%2Bsantos%26client%3Dms-opera-mobile%26channel%3Dnew)
Probably way off topic but interesting all round; I would have thought that Marcos Aragão Correia would have welcomed the opportunity to dig some dirt, particularly as Dr Amaral was quite keen to have him committed to an asylum.
Dr Amaral sued Marcos Aragão Correia for defamation and lost the case; I believe Dr Amaral had to pay compensation and costs which were substantial and contributed to Dr Amaral's parlous financial situation.
I must say I have never heard of a police chief suing a lawyer for acting on behalf of his client in court.
Also, prior to giving up representing Leonor Cipriano Joao Grade was arrested for carrying a bag with amphetamines and ecstasy tablets into Beja prison; subsequently his plea that he did not know the drugs were in his possession was accepted by a court. As I say, interesting.
Original Source: Correio_da_Manha: 06_Oct 2010 [Paper addition only] 06 October 2010
The Public Ministry accuses lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia of defamation against Goncalo Amaral, a former PJ coordinator, due to a document in which he recounts supposed torture acts against Leonor Cipriano, who in 2005 was condemned to a 16-year prison sentence over the death of her daughter, Joana, and the concealment of the child's cadaver.
The lawyer - who represents Leonor Cipriano - has sent the aforementioned document to the Association against Exclusion for Development (ACED), and its head, Antonio Dores, also stands accused of the crime of defamation.
After filing the complaint against the lawyer, Goncalo Amaral requested for Aragao Correia to be considered unimputable, even suggesting his commitment to a psychiatric hospital.
Within the case of alleged aggressions against Leonor, Goncalo Amaral was condemned to a one-and-a-half-year suspended sentence over false deposition.
The former PJ coordinator is represented by Joao Grade, Cipriano's former lawyer
Where is the quote from either lawyer...what you have posted is an article by a journalist called Peter Rabbit making accusations..not convincing..is this the best evidence you can find
I didn't see a byline by Peter Rabbit. Perhaps it was co-authored along with Jeremy Fisher and Miss Puddleduck?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on July 05, 2014, 06:53:37 PM
When you are finished taking the proverbial, let me introduce renowned journalist Pedro Coelho (Peter Rabbit).
Profile of Portuguese journalist Peter Rabbit oka Pedro Coelho (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://perfildojornalista.eusou.com/pt/entrevista.asp%3Fid%3D1888%26mid%3D314&prev=/search%3Fq%3Djornalista%2Bpedro%2Bcoelho%26client%3Dms-opera-mobile%26channel%3Dnew%26biw%3D1070%26bih%3D589)
When you are finished taking the proverbial, let me introduce renowned journalist Pedro Coelho (Peter Rabbit).
Profile of Portuguese journalist Peter Rabbit oka Pedro Coelho (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://perfildojornalista.eusou.com/pt/entrevista.asp%3Fid%3D1888%26mid%3D314&prev=/search%3Fq%3Djornalista%2Bpedro%2Bcoelho%26client%3Dms-opera-mobile%26channel%3Dnew%26biw%3D1070%26bih%3D589)
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on July 05, 2014, 08:33:29 PM
To summarise, Leonor Cipriano's lawyer João Grade was approached by Método 3 who make reference to the similarities between the cases of Joana and Madeleine. When Grade realises that Método 3's real interest is not Leonor but Gonçalo Amaral he refuses to collaborate with them. Next thing he knows he has been effectively sacked by Leonor and Funchal-based lawyer Marcos Correia has taken over the case on a pro bono basis after being engaged by Método 3. So effectively we have a chain from the McCanns to Leonor Cipriano and the common denominator is Gonçalo Amaral whom it just so happens wrote a book about Madeleine McCann and is being sued by her parents.
After the trial of several PJ officers which saw Gonçalo Amaral found guilty of failing to report, Leonor Cipriano's lawyer, Marcos Aragão Correia, said: "Target was hit, Gonçalo Amaral was convicted".
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on July 05, 2014, 08:35:59 PM
To summarise, Leonor Cipriano's lawyer João Grade was approached by Método 3 who make reference to the similarities between the cases of Joana and Madeleine. When Grade realises that Método 3's real interest is not Leonor but Gonçalo Amaral he refuses to collaborate with them. Next thing he knows he has been effectively sacked by Leonor and Funchal-based lawyer Marcos Correia has taken over the case on a pro bono basis after being engaged by Método 3. So effectively we have a chain from the McCanns to Leonor Cipriano and the common denominator is Gonçalo Amaral whom it just so happens wrote a book about Madeleine McCann and is being sued by her parents.
Thank you for that John.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2014, 08:39:06 PM
To summarise, Leonor Cipriano's lawyer João Grade was approached by Método 3 who make reference to the similarities between the cases of Joana and Madeleine. When Grade realises that Método 3's real interest is not Leonor but Gonçalo Amaral he refuses to collaborate with them. Next thing he knows he has been effectively sacked by Leonor and Funchal-based lawyer Marcos Correia has taken over the case on a pro bono basis after being engaged by Método 3. So effectively we have a chain from the McCanns to Leonor Cipriano and the common denominator is Gonçalo Amaral whom it just so happens wrote a book about Madeleine McCann and is being sued by her parents.
After the trial of several PJ officers which saw Gonçalo Amaral found guilty of failing to report, Leonor Cipriano's lawyer, Marcos Aragão Correia, said: "Target was hit, Gonçalo Amaral was convicted".
so you think amaral was convicted as a result of Metodo 3 and Correia...don't think so john
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on July 05, 2014, 08:57:50 PM
Areas of interest: Teaching Journalism; Investigative Journalism; Report Multiplatform; Proximity Journalism; Radio Journalism
Summary:
Peter Rabbit, it montemor-new, 1966. PhD in DC, UNL, dissertation on academic training in journalism in the Internet age. Degree in CS, UNL (1989), master's thesis on Local Broadcasters; UNL Master DC (2004), Proximity dissertation on TV; UNL assistant invited DC - Atelier de Radio Journalism, Bachelor, New Media Narratives, Master. Professional journalist since 1988 Large Reporter Universe SIC (since 2007).; SIC executive editor (2006-2007) universe; society editor SIC universe - 2001-2002; Grand Prix AMI - Journalism Against Indifference, 2005; Another Human Rights Medal awarded by RA 2006 Author of Large Research Report "fraud" about the scandal of BPN, SIC, 2013.Autor books:. Proximidae The TV and the New Challenges of Public Space (2005) ; Rosa Brava Shepherdess of Dreams and Other Stories, Grand Reportage (2007). Facts and Figures for higher education in Journalism in Portugal: how excess demand resulted in oversupply, Before the tariff, ACE, St. Paul, 2013. '
Time to get your coat. 8(0(*
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: carlymichelle on July 05, 2014, 09:04:38 PM
Areas of interest: Teaching Journalism; Investigative Journalism; Report Multiplatform; Proximity Journalism; Radio Journalism
Summary:
Peter Rabbit, it montemor-new, 1966. PhD in DC, UNL, dissertation on academic training in journalism in the Internet age. Degree in CS, UNL (1989), master's thesis on Local Broadcasters; UNL Master DC (2004), Proximity dissertation on TV; UNL assistant invited DC - Atelier de Radio Journalism, Bachelor, New Media Narratives, Master. Professional journalist since 1988 Large Reporter Universe SIC (since 2007).; SIC executive editor (2006-2007) universe; society editor SIC universe - 2001-2002; Grand Prix AMI - Journalism Against Indifference, 2005; Another Human Rights Medal awarded by RA 2006 Author of Large Research Report "fraud" about the scandal of BPN, SIC, 2013.Autor books:. Proximidae The TV and the New Challenges of Public Space (2005) ; Rosa Brava Shepherdess of Dreams and Other Stories, Grand Reportage (2007). Facts and Figures for higher education in Journalism in Portugal: how excess demand resulted in oversupply, Before the tariff, ACE, St. Paul, 2013. '
Time to get your coat. 8(0(*
davel is the most irritating people i have ever seen online and i have had the internet a long time i block him now his so bitter and agressive
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on July 05, 2014, 09:08:12 PM
davel is the most irritating people i have ever seen online and i have had the internet a long time i block him now his so bitter and agressive
I understand.
Unfortunately, if no one contradicts his rubbish , he get's away with it.
..and he's not going to.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on July 05, 2014, 09:08:54 PM
We won't even explore the revelations at Amaral's trial when Marcos Aragão Correia admitted to having propositioned one of the PJ officers offering a dirty deal whereby if he and his fellow arguidos agreed to point the finger of blame entirely at Amaral that they would not get custodial sentences.
So just who exactly was pulling Correia's strings?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2014, 09:17:37 PM
We won't even explore the revelations at Amaral's trial when Marcos Correia admitted to having propositioned one of the PJ officers offering a dirty deal whereby if he and his fellow arguidos agreed to point the finger of blame entirely at Amaral that they would not get custodial sentences.
So just who exactly was pulling Correia's strings?
what deal could correia offer..do you have any proof to support this accusation
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on July 05, 2014, 09:21:58 PM
To summarise, Leonor Cipriano's lawyer João Grade was approached by Método 3 who make reference to the similarities between the cases of Joana and Madeleine. When Grade realises that Método 3's real interest is not Leonor but Gonçalo Amaral he refuses to collaborate with them. Next thing he knows he has been effectively sacked by Leonor and Funchal-based lawyer Marcos Correia has taken over the case on a pro bono basis after being engaged by Método 3. So effectively we have a chain from the McCanns to Leonor Cipriano and the common denominator is Gonçalo Amaral whom it just so happens wrote a book about Madeleine McCann and is being sued by her parents.
After the trial of several PJ officers which saw Gonçalo Amaral found guilty of failing to report, Leonor Cipriano's lawyer, Marcos Aragão Correia, said: "Target was hit, Gonçalo Amaral was convicted".
Yep and of course Amaral was made an Arguido in his perjury case on the day that Madeleine vanished, or was it the day after? Someone will know. And later he was convicted of Perjury. He is a convicted liar,.
Can we be clear that Amaral published his book slating and allegedly libelling The Mccanns in July 2008 AFTER Correia took on Leonors case on April 8th 2008.
So no way were the Mccanns getting back at Amaral on the basis of his book, cos it wasn't available at the time Marcos Correia took on the Joana case, 3 months BEFORE Amarals book was published.
Shortly after the two searches of the Arade Dam, Marcos Correia became the lawyer for Leonor Cipriano. We now know that he did so at a pre-arranged meeting with her at Odemira Women’s Prison on 8 April 2008.
http://goncaloamaral.webs.com/gonaloamaral.htm
2008, July – Publishes an account of the investigation into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, titled: A Verdade da Mentira (‘Maddie: The Truth About A Lie’).
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on July 05, 2014, 09:41:36 PM
Can we be clear that Amaral published his book slating and allegedly libelling the Mccanns in July 2008 AFTER Correia took on Leonors case in April 8th 2008.
So no way were the Mccanns getting back at Amaral on the basis of his book, cos it wasn't available at the time Marcos Correia took on the Joana case, 3 months BEFORE Amarals book was published.
Shortly after the two searches of the Arade Dam, Marcos Correia became the lawyer for Leonor Cipriano. We now know that he did so at a pre-arranged meeting with her at Odemira Women’s Prison on 8 April 2008.
One has to ask the question why a smalltime lawyer from a tiny Atlantic island would suddenly turn up in Faro to act for free for someone he had never even heard of previously.
To answer your second point Sadie, the book wasn't the catalyst, it was the arguido interviews. Método 3 was engaged in September 2007, just weeks after the McCanns returned home to Rothley. Método 3 knew of the Cipriano case and approached Leonor's lawyer João Grade to put the screws on the PJ coordinator common to both cases. Grade is on record as stating that he rebuked Método3's offer since the main agenda was to get Amaral. Next thing Grade gets an e-mail from Marcos Correia telling him that he no longer represents Leonor Cipriano. Obviously M3 made the same offer to Correia and he couldn't refuse.
M3 are Spanish, they had no business in Portugal let alone getting involved in a small town murder case. We know the only possible reason that M3 did anything was for money and they received lots and lots of that from the Fund. Thus I state again we have a direct connection between the McCanns and the Cipriano case through Método 3 and Marcos Correia.
November 2008 - Correia admits to a proposed deal to ‘crucify Gonçalo Amaral’, He tells the lawyer representing the four detectives accused together with Gonçalo Amaral that his detectives will only get suspended sentences for a more minor offence if they give evidence against Gonçalo Amaral and state that it was he who ordered the torture and that he was there when it happened.
November 2008 - Calls defence lawyer for Gonçalo Amaral, Mr Cabrita, a ‘goat’ in the court room [‘cabrita’ is also the Portuguese word for goat].
21 January 2009 - Suspended as a lawyer/barrister by the Madeira Bar Association [Madeira Lawyers’ Order] and thrown out of court by the trial judge in the case against Mr Amaral based on Ms Cipriano’s allegations. He was later allowed to continue representing Ms Cipriano.
22 May 2009 - Wins the case against Gonçalo Amaral, at which Mr Amaral gets an 18-month suspended jail sentence for allegedly filing a false report. Says triumphantly: “Gonçalo Amaral has been convicted. The target has been hit”.
8 June 2009 - Brings new proceedings against Gonçalo Amaral on behalf of Leonor Cipriano, claiming once more that Amaral’s men had tortured her.
July 2009 - Brings further new proceedings against Gonçalo Amaral, this time on behalf of Leonor Cipriano’s former partner, António Leandro David da Silva, who also alleged that he had been assaulted by Amaral’s men.
3 October 2009 - Tries to sabotageGonçalo Amaral’s birthday partyby driving up outside the restaurant where the party was being held, making a provocative obscene gesture, and then fabricating to the Public Ministry Police claiming that he had been assaulted.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: faithlilly on July 06, 2014, 12:11:18 AM
One has to ask the question why a smalltime lawyer from a tiny Atlantic island would suddenly turn up in Faro to act for free for someone he had never even heard of previously.
To answer your second point Sadie, the book wasn't the catalyst, it was the arguido interviews. Método 3 was engaged in September 2007, just weeks after the McCanns returned home to Rothley. Método 3 knew of the Cipriano case and approached Leonor's lawyer João Grade to put the screws on the PJ coordinator common to both cases. Grade is on record as stating that he rebuked Método3's offer since the main agenda was to get Amaral. Next thing Grade gets an e-mail from Marcos Correia telling him that he no longer represents Leonor Cipriano. Obviously M3 made the same offer to Correia and he couldn't refuse.
M3 are Spanish, they had no business in Portugal let alone getting involved in a small town murder case. We know the only possible reason that M3 did anything was for money and they received lots and lots of that from the Fund. Thus I state again we have a direct connection between the McCanns and the Cipriano case through Método 3 and Marcos Correia.
November 2008 - Correia admits to a proposed deal to ‘crucify Gonçalo Amaral’, He tells the lawyer representing the four detectives accused together with Gonçalo Amaral that his detectives will only get suspended sentences for a more minor offence if they give evidence against Gonçalo Amaral and state that it was he who ordered the torture and that he was there when it happened.
November 2008 - Calls defence lawyer for Gonçalo Amaral, Mr Cabrita, a ‘goat’ in the court room [‘cabrita’ is also the Portuguese word for goat].
21 January 2009 - Suspended as a lawyer/barrister by the Madeira Bar Association [Madeira Lawyers’ Order] and thrown out of court by the trial judge in the case against Mr Amaral based on Ms Cipriano’s allegations. He was later allowed to continue representing Ms Cipriano.
22 May 2009 - Wins the case against Gonçalo Amaral, at which Mr Amaral gets an 18-month suspended jail sentence for allegedly filing a false report. Says triumphantly: “Gonçalo Amaral has been convicted. The target has been hit”.
8 June 2009 - Brings new proceedings against Gonçalo Amaral on behalf of Leonor Cipriano, claiming once more that Amaral’s men had tortured her.
July 2009 - Brings further new proceedings against Gonçalo Amaral, this time on behalf of Leonor Cipriano’s former partner, António Leandro David da Silva, who also alleged that he had been assaulted by Amaral’s men.
3 October 2009 - Tries to sabotageGonçalo Amaral’s birthday partyby driving up outside the restaurant where the party was being held, making a provocative obscene gesture, and then fabricating to the Public Ministry Police claiming that he had been assaulted.
Not forgetting that it was a client of Correia who claimed that they were Amaral's mistress and that Amaral had threatened her family during a phonecall which was supplied to several supporter forums by Correia himself.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Gadfly on July 06, 2014, 12:15:27 AM
Not forgetting that it was a client of Correia who claimed that they were Amaral's mistress and that Amaral had threatened her family during a phonecall which was supplied to several supporter forums by Correia himself.
The universe has a funny way of causing misery to someone who profiteered from the death of a little girl, don't you think?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on July 06, 2014, 12:17:43 AM
One has to ask the question why a smalltime lawyer from a tiny Atlantic island would suddenly turn up in Faro to act for free for someone he had never even heard of previously.
To answer your second point Sadie, the book wasn't the catalyst, it was the arguido interviews. Método 3 was engaged in September 2007, just weeks after the McCanns returned home to Rothley. Método 3 knew of the Cipriano case and approached Leonor's lawyer João Grade to put the screws on the PJ coordinator common to both cases. Grade is on record as stating that he rebuked Método3's offer since the main agenda was to get Amaral. Next thing Grade gets an e-mail from Marcos Correia telling him that he no longer represents Leonor Cipriano. Obviously M3 made the same offer to Correia and he couldn't refuse.
M3 are Spanish, they had no business in Portugal let alone getting involved in a small town murder case. We know the only possible reason that M3 did anything was for money and they received lots and lots of that from the Fund. Thus I state again we have a direct connection between the McCanns and the Cipriano case.
You do realise that Marcos Correia qualified in Lisbon and would have felt very at home in Portugal. He was quite possibly articled there.
He was a very young man when he took on Amaral and the PJ alleged torturers. Not many would have taken them on after what happened to the two Lawyers who took on the PJ in The Michael Cook case. Michael was disgustingly tortured. This was at Faro PJ station
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199293/cmhansrd/1992-06-09/Debate-20.html. scroll down a little until you see Mr Michael Cook
This is from our very own Hansard. Michael Cooks MP took it up with the house of Commons. Do read it.
The Lawyers seeing anomolies (there were a number of glaring anomolies in the trial) decided to take on the case to see if they could get Justice for Michael.
Reputedly they got posssession of a video showing the Police torturing Michael and were in the process of going thru the Courts with the evidence.
An accident happened to their car in the mountains, reportedly a blow out. One Lawyer was killed and the other seriously injured. There was much talk at the time that it wasn't an accident; that the car had been got at.
I thought what a brave young man Marcos Aragao Corriea was taking on the PJ after such a happening.
Turns out, he didn't even know about the Michael Cook Case and what happened to those lawyers. He was too young to be aware. Maybe the case was offered to him partially because he didn't know about the lawyers accident? No other Lawyers would take it? Dunno.
He suffered much abuse before and after the case, even finding empty cartridge cases on his balcony. A nasty threat. We spent a good deal of time with him and had dinner with him twice. He told me this himself. There were other threats too.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on July 06, 2014, 12:20:32 AM
A good find Stephen and point well made (pity about the white jacket comment though). I admit I missed that page because I misspelled the name for journalist in Portuguese. It just goes to show that one letter can make all the difference where Google searches are concerned.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: faithlilly on July 06, 2014, 12:25:27 AM
You do realise that Marcos Correia qualified in Lisbon and would have felt very at home in Portugal. He was quite possibly articled there.
He was a very young man when he took on Amaral and the PJ alleged torturers. Not many would have taken them on after what happened to the two Lawyers who took on the PJ in The Michael Cook case. Michael was disgustingly tortured. This was at Faro PJ station
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199293/cmhansrd/1992-06-09/Debate-20.html. scroll down a little until you see Mr Michael Cook
This is from our very own Hansard. Michael Cooks MP took it up with the house of Commons. Do read it.
The Lawyers seeing anomolies (there were a number of glaring anomolies in the trial) decided to take on the case to see if they could get Justice for Michael.
Reputedly they got posssession of a video showing the Police torturing Michael and were in the process of going thru the Courts with the evidence.
An accident happened to their car in the mountains, reportedly a blow out. One Lawyer was killed and the other seriously injured. There was much talk at the time that it wasn't an accident; that the car had been got at.
I thought what a brave young man Marcos Aragao Corriea was taking on the PJ after such a happening.
Turns out, he didn't even know about the Michael Cook Case and what happened to those lawyers. He was too young to be aware. Maybe the case was offered to him partially because he didn't know about the lawyers accident? No other Lawyers would take it? Dunno.
He suffered much abuse before and after the case, even finding empty cartridge cases on his balcony. A nasty threat. We spent a good deal of time with him and had dinner with him twice. He told me this himself. There were other threats too.
I'll bet you and him got on like a house on fire sadie.
Isn't there an old saying about like attracting like ?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Brietta on July 06, 2014, 12:30:34 AM
Not forgetting that it was a client of Correia who claimed that they were Amaral's mistress and that Amaral had threatened her family during a phonecall which was supplied to several supporter forums by Correia himself.
I did an internet search and found the link to the phone call quite easily. Interestingly I also discovered that Joana Morais had been instrumental in having it removed from forums. But it is still available, as is a transcript of the 'conversation'.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: faithlilly on July 06, 2014, 12:52:56 AM
I did an internet search and found the link to the phone call quite easily. Interestingly I also discovered that Joana Morais had been instrumental in having it removed from forums. But it is still available, as is a transcript of the 'conversation'.
Could you please provide us with some of the links you found Brietta ?
ETA Can you also please explain how Joana Morais managed to have the phonecall removed from forums seeing as it was almost exclusively posted on supporter forums ?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Brietta on July 06, 2014, 01:41:12 AM
Could you please provide us with some of the links you found Brietta ?
ETA Can you also please explain how Joana Morais managed to have the phonecall removed from forums seeing as it was almost exclusively posted on supporter forums ?
Ask her.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Brietta on July 06, 2014, 01:44:43 AM
To date the only source I can find for the statements regarding the allegation made about Método 3 and a campaign to discredit Dr Amaral is Joana Morais.
What are the other sources?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: faithlilly on July 06, 2014, 01:46:04 AM
And the evidence of your claim with regard to Joana Morais ? Or is it simply another supporter myth ?
So you demand a link from me while refusing to provide a cite to support a statement you made which I must now conclude is a lie. You are not capable of providing a link, because none exists.
"It's no myth Brietta but I'm sorry I'm not spending hours looking for a cite for you to trash because it's Portuguese, from a newspaper, from Amaral or any other excuse you'll find to trash the veracity of the evidence.
As I said anyone who has followed the case for any length of time will know my claim is true. However those who haven't can always find the evidence for themselves."
I should really direct you to take your own advice but since I have gone to the trouble to substantiate what I say is true I shall post one, and to prove there are numerous links, just do what I did and search ... I do have four and could find many more if I were interested to do so.
Detectives Hired by the McCanns want to Frame Gonçalo Amaral ... http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/02/detectives-hired-by-mccanns-want-to.html
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on July 06, 2014, 03:12:32 AM
Its a tried and tested principle, if you require to destroy the investigation and the conclusions it comes to you require to discredit the head of that investigation. Thus why Amaral was 'targeted' according to Correia.
Aragão Correia does not clarify who is in fact behind this puzzle: "The secrecy of the contract which binds me to Método 3 stops me from revealing details regarding the private investigation", he concludes.
All very convenient, I wonder will Marcos Correia now be compelled to talk?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Carana on July 06, 2014, 07:28:11 AM
...but the question I would like answered is this. Who instructed Metodo 3 to arrange legal representation for Leonor Cipriano,the only purpose of such being to undermine Amaral?
???? My post has been edited. As far as I recall, I didn't say that. I was asking for whoever posted that statement (in bold) to substantiate it.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on July 06, 2014, 07:44:01 AM
You do realise that Marcos Correia qualified in Lisbon and would have felt very at home in Portugal. He was quite possibly articled there.
He was a very young man when he took on Amaral and the PJ alleged torturers. Not many would have taken them on after what happened to the two Lawyers who took on the PJ in The Michael Cook case. Michael was disgustingly tortured. This was at Faro PJ station
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199293/cmhansrd/1992-06-09/Debate-20.html. scroll down a little until you see Mr Michael Cook
This is from our very own Hansard. Michael Cooks MP took it up with the house of Commons. Do read it.
The Lawyers seeing anomolies (there were a number of glaring anomolies in the trial) decided to take on the case to see if they could get Justice for Michael.
Reputedly they got posssession of a video showing the Police torturing Michael and were in the process of going thru the Courts with the evidence.
An accident happened to their car in the mountains, reportedly a blow out. One Lawyer was killed and the other seriously injured. There was much talk at the time that it wasn't an accident; that the car had been got at.
I thought what a brave young man Marcos Aragao Corriea was taking on the PJ after such a happening.
Turns out, he didn't even know about the Michael Cook Case and what happened to those lawyers. He was too young to be aware. Maybe the case was offered to him partially because he didn't know about the lawyers accident? No other Lawyers would take it? Dunno.
He suffered much abuse before and after the case, even finding empty cartridge cases on his balcony. A nasty threat. We spent a good deal of time with him and had dinner with him twice. He told me this himself. There were other threats too.
A brave young man ?
NO.
What you said in the last paragraph is hearsay.
Correia is a fantasist, as we saw with 'his body in the lake'.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: faithlilly on July 06, 2014, 02:10:44 PM
So you demand a link from me while refusing to provide a cite to support a statement you made which I must now conclude is a lie. You are not capable of providing a link, because none exists.
"It's no myth Brietta but I'm sorry I'm not spending hours looking for a cite for you to trash because it's Portuguese, from a newspaper, from Amaral or any other excuse you'll find to trash the veracity of the evidence.
As I said anyone who has followed the case for any length of time will know my claim is true. However those who haven't can always find the evidence for themselves."
I should really direct you to take your own advice but since I have gone to the trouble to substantiate what I say is true I shall post one, and to prove there are numerous links, just do what I did and search ... I do have four and could find many more if I were interested to do so.
Detectives Hired by the McCanns want to Frame Gonçalo Amaral ... http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/02/detectives-hired-by-mccanns-want-to.html
This is what you posted Brietta :
"I did an internet search and found the link to the phone call quite easily. Interestingly I also discovered that Joana Morais had been instrumental in having it removed from forums. But it is still available, as is a transcript of the 'conversation'."
I asked you to post links to the phonecall which you have not done. Also you have supplied no evidence of your claim that Joana Morais has been instrumental in having details of the alleged phone call removed from the internet. As I have now supplied you with the evidence of the secret proceedings which gained the McCanns the September 2009 temporary injunction against Amaral perhaps you will supply me with the links you mentioned and acknowledge that while the McCanns could have requested to have the libel trial heard in camera, as they did with the aforementioned injunction, and as Amaral wanted, they choose instead to have it played it in public without, it seems a thought for the affect that may have on their children.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: faithlilly on July 06, 2014, 07:41:10 PM
"I did an internet search and found the link to the phone call quite easily. Interestingly I also discovered that Joana Morais had been instrumental in having it removed from forums. But it is still available, as is a transcript of the 'conversation'."
I asked you to post links to the phonecall which you have not done. Also you have supplied no evidence of your claim that Joana Morais has been instrumental in having details of the alleged phone call removed from the internet. As I have now supplied you with the evidence of the secret proceedings which gained the McCanns the September 2009 temporary injunction against Amaral perhaps you will supply me with the links you mentioned and acknowledge that while the McCanns could have requested to have the libel trial heard in camera, as they did with the aforementioned injunction, and as Amaral wanted, they choose instead to have it played it in public without, it seems a thought for the affect that may have on their children.
Bumped for Brietta.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: faithlilly on July 06, 2014, 11:29:28 PM
You seemed to have missed this Brietta so I thought I'd post it again.
This is what you posted Brietta :
"I did an internet search and found the link to the phone call quite easily. Interestingly I also discovered that Joana Morais had been instrumental in having it removed from forums. But it is still available, as is a transcript of the 'conversation'."
I asked you to post links to the phonecall which you have not done. Also you have supplied no evidence of your claim that Joana Morais has been instrumental in having details of the alleged phone call removed from the internet. As I have now supplied you with the evidence of the secret proceedings which gained the McCanns the September 2009 temporary injunction against Amaral perhaps you will supply me with the links you mentioned and acknowledge that while the McCanns could have requested to have the libel trial heard in camera, as they did with the aforementioned injunction, and as Amaral wanted, they choose instead to have it played it in public without, it seems a thought for the affect that may have on their children.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Brietta on July 06, 2014, 11:57:03 PM
You seemed to have missed this Brietta so I thought I'd post it again.
This is what you posted Brietta :
"I did an internet search and found the link to the phone call quite easily. Interestingly I also discovered that Joana Morais had been instrumental in having it removed from forums. But it is still available, as is a transcript of the 'conversation'."
I asked you to post links to the phonecall which you have not done. Also you have supplied no evidence of your claim that Joana Morais has been instrumental in having details of the alleged phone call removed from the internet. As I have now supplied you with the evidence of the secret proceedings which gained the McCanns the September 2009 temporary injunction against Amaral perhaps you will supply me with the links you mentioned and acknowledge that while the McCanns could have requested to have the libel trial heard in camera, as they did with the aforementioned injunction, and as Amaral wanted, they choose instead to have it played it in public without, it seems a thought for the affect that may have on their children.
As I have now supplied you with the evidence of the secret proceedings which gained the McCanns the September 2009 temporary injunction against Amaral
What evidence have you provided?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: faithlilly on July 07, 2014, 12:17:59 AM
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 23, 2016, 10:00:26 AM
This from his YouTube channel "Marcos Aragão Correia Subscribe Marcos Aragao Correia was, during about 5 years (until the end of 2012), the Lawyer of the mother of the Portuguese kidnapped and murdered little girl Joana Cipriano, abducted in the Algarve just about 12 miles from where Madeleine McCann was kidnapped. He also worked with the Spanish private detectives agency Método 3, which was the main agency contracted by Madeleine's parents to search for their daughter. With the institutional support of the Portuguese Lawyers Order and of Amnesty International, he was able to prove in courts that his constituent Leonor Cipriano was brutally tortured by several portuguese police officers, torture perpetrated with the objective of forcing her to emit false confessions. The chief of the police responsible for the State investigations over the disappearances of the children Joana Cipriano and Madeleine McCann, was convicted to a 1 year and 6 months jail sentence for perjury crime related with the brutal torture that Leonor Cipriano was a victim.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 23, 2016, 10:02:50 AM
Correia-Metodo3-Mccann's.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Lace on December 23, 2016, 11:11:14 AM
Sorry I fail to see how he was targeting Amaral, unless you mean by saying Madeleine may have been abducted.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Brietta on December 23, 2016, 11:53:47 AM
Some people really have a bee in their bonnet concerning Marcos Aragão Correia .
Why on earth should that be?
Let's think about this carefully.
Marcos Aragão Correia acted on behalf of Leonor Cipriano as her lawyer.
he complained vociferously about the torture to which she was subjected while being interrogated by PJ officers under the command of Goncalo Amaral http://database.statewatch.org/article.asp?aid=29207
torture was proven ~ however it could not be ascertained which officers were involved because the victim was unable to see because her head was in a plastic bag
Goncalo Amaral was convicted of the crime of covering up the torture of Cipriano by the men under his command for which he recieved a prison sentence suspended for two years and if memory serves me well, a fine.
His conviction was upheld on appeal by the court of Evora.
Marcos Aragão Correia wrote a paper detailing the above facts ... Goncalo Amaral sued him and a Professor Dore? for defamation as a result http://www.statewatch.org/news/2008/may/portugal-sos.pdf
unsurprisingly ... Goncalo Amaral lost his case ... which proved an expensive exercise as costs were awarded against him, just as well a fighting fund had been set up to cover his legal expenses
In my opinion it was in consideration of the above that Marcos Aragão Correia has been vilified by sceptics who are desperate to link him to Madeleine's parents. However it is clear that the history of Correia V Amaral ran deep long before the McCanns set foot in Portugal.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: slartibartfast on December 23, 2016, 01:05:10 PM
Some people really have a bee in their bonnet concerning Marcos Aragão Correia .
Why on earth should that be?
Let's think about this carefully.
Marcos Aragão Correia acted on behalf of Leonor Cipriano as her lawyer.
he complained vociferously about the torture to which she was subjected while being interrogated by PJ officers under the command of Goncalo Amaral http://database.statewatch.org/article.asp?aid=29207
torture was proven ~ however it could not be ascertained which officers were involved because the victim was unable to see because her head was in a plastic bag
Goncalo Amaral was convicted of the crime of covering up the torture of Cipriano by the men under his command for which he recieved a prison sentence suspended for two years and if memory serves me well, a fine.
His conviction was upheld on appeal by the court of Evora.
Marcos Aragão Correia wrote a paper detailing the above facts ... Goncalo Amaral sued him and a Professor Dore? for defamation as a result http://www.statewatch.org/news/2008/may/portugal-sos.pdf
unsurprisingly ... Goncalo Amaral lost his case ... which proved an expensive exercise as costs were awarded against him, just as well a fighting fund had been set up to cover his legal expenses
In my opinion it was in consideration of the above that Marcos Aragão Correia has been vilified by sceptics who are desperate to link him to Madeleine's parents. However it is clear that the history of Correia V Amaral ran deep long before the McCanns set foot in Portugal.
So he had a grudge against Amaral?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Eleanor on December 23, 2016, 01:34:56 PM
Some people really have a bee in their bonnet concerning Marcos Aragão Correia .
Why on earth should that be?
Let's think about this carefully.
Marcos Aragão Correia acted on behalf of Leonor Cipriano as her lawyer.
he complained vociferously about the torture to which she was subjected while being interrogated by PJ officers under the command of Goncalo Amaral http://database.statewatch.org/article.asp?aid=29207
torture was proven ~ however it could not be ascertained which officers were involved because the victim was unable to see because her head was in a plastic bag
Goncalo Amaral was convicted of the crime of covering up the torture of Cipriano by the men under his command for which he recieved a prison sentence suspended for two years and if memory serves me well, a fine.
His conviction was upheld on appeal by the court of Evora.
Marcos Aragão Correia wrote a paper detailing the above facts ... Goncalo Amaral sued him and a Professor Dore? for defamation as a result http://www.statewatch.org/news/2008/may/portugal-sos.pdf
unsurprisingly ... Goncalo Amaral lost his case ... which proved an expensive exercise as costs were awarded against him, just as well a fighting fund had been set up to cover his legal expenses
In my opinion it was in consideration of the above that Marcos Aragão Correia has been vilified by sceptics who are desperate to link him to Madeleine's parents. However it is clear that the history of Correia V Amaral ran deep long before the McCanns set foot in Portugal.
A simple question. When did Correia first represent Cipriano ?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Brietta on December 23, 2016, 03:59:12 PM
However, a simple question. When did Coreia first represent Cipriano ?
Your posts make a nebulous connection between Marcos Aragão Correia and Madeleine McCann's parents.
Even if your assumptions hold water, which in my opinion they do not ... so what?
Marcos Aragão Correia is entitled to work for whomsoever he wishes.
The McCanns are entitled to employ whomsoever they wish.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: G-Unit on December 23, 2016, 04:01:30 PM
He wrote a book in 2012;
The Love Spirits The Little Girls who came from the Stars
This book is based on facts. Extra attention was given to the Love Spirits incarnated as children, and specifically as girls simply because children and women are still among the main targets of the destructive actions of the malevolent spirits, and labeled by them as “inferior” just because of their age or sex. Let’s remember that Spirits do not have gender, though their bodies do. The same Spirit can reincarnate alter-nately as a man or as woman, and even, with highly developed para-normal powers, change sex during the same reincarnation. Let’s also remember that the age of the physical body of a person is not neces-sarily the same age as the consciousness (Spirit). A young child can bea very old Spirit, with thousands of previous past lives. Also true, what really makes a person superior or inferior is only his/her Spirit of Love,or the absence of Love. No one is inferior or superior because of their place of birth, nationality, money, age, sex, or color of skin, hair or eyes.Superior Spirits are simply the Spirits that are truly Love.
Francesca Orofino, Joana Cipriano and Madeleine McCann are only three of the numerous wonderful Love Spirits who have been murdered,directly or indirectly, by the monsters devastating planet Earth. http://pdfsr.com/pdf/the-love-spirits-the-little-girls-who-came-from-the-stars
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alfie on December 23, 2016, 04:45:22 PM
The Love Spirits The Little Girls who came from the Stars
This book is based on facts. Extra attention was given to the Love Spirits incarnated as children, and specifically as girls simply because children and women are still among the main targets of the destructive actions of the malevolent spirits, and labeled by them as “inferior” just because of their age or sex. Let’s remember that Spirits do not have gender, though their bodies do. The same Spirit can reincarnate alter-nately as a man or as woman, and even, with highly developed para-normal powers, change sex during the same reincarnation. Let’s also remember that the age of the physical body of a person is not neces-sarily the same age as the consciousness (Spirit). A young child can bea very old Spirit, with thousands of previous past lives. Also true, what really makes a person superior or inferior is only his/her Spirit of Love,or the absence of Love. No one is inferior or superior because of their place of birth, nationality, money, age, sex, or color of skin, hair or eyes.Superior Spirits are simply the Spirits that are truly Love.
Francesca Orofino, Joana Cipriano and Madeleine McCann are only three of the numerous wonderful Love Spirits who have been murdered,directly or indirectly, by the monsters devastating planet Earth. http://pdfsr.com/pdf/the-love-spirits-the-little-girls-who-came-from-the-stars
Well cloud cuckoo as it all sounds, at least it doesn't sound like the sort of book that is designed to wreck named individuals' lives by accusing them of all manner of foul deeds.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 23, 2016, 04:53:56 PM
Trying to detract from it won't help the McCanns. Guests reading the forum will find it for themselves.
There is no doubt Correia was employed to go after Amaral by Metodo3.
So are you agreeing it is a nebulous connection, there was no debate about a connection but the objection was that it was nebulous. Address that please.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 23, 2016, 06:18:05 PM
So are you agreeing it is a nebulous connection, there was no debate about a connection but the objection was that it was nebulous. Address that please.
This has been covered in some depth previously. Two lawyers both of whom seperately acted for Leonor Cipriano have accused Método 3 of attempting to coerce them into finding dirt against Gonçalo Amaral.
Extract from SIC magazine 15 February 2009
Leonor Cipriano was defended during the entire PJ torture investigation by the lawyer João Grade dos Santos but, "on the eve of the start of trial, the client waived the services of the lawyer,"
Acting on behalf of the McCanns, Método 3, tried to recruit Leonor Cipriano's lawyer, João Grade dos Santos, explaining that his help would be very helpful to their investigations, given the similarities between the two cases. Método 3 stated that "spending money was no problem" and pulled to the fore the theme "Gonçalo Amaral". Only months later, having already refused to work for the Spanish agency, Grade realized that Método 3 had their own "agenda". This "agenda" was, according to SIC, to get a lawyer to put Gonçalo Amaral "out of operation", since, in both cases, the detective seemed to want the same: the culpability of the parents.
Faced with the refusal of João Grade dos Santos, Método 3 approached another lawyer - the young Marcos Aragão Correia, who came to participate in searches of Madeleine as a medium and subsequently became involved in investigations related to the Joana case, eventually being engaged to defend Leonor Cipriano in the trial against the five inspectors from Faro.
Read it for yourself here.
www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3500.msg133640#msg133640 « Last Edit: June 04, 2015, 05:44:40 PM by Angelo222 »
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on December 23, 2016, 06:48:55 PM
I have merged the two threads together since they cover the same material.
Members are reminded of the forum rules and in particular those relating to post content. Posts which constitute goading or sniping will be removed on sight, moderators please take note!
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 23, 2016, 06:53:40 PM
Stephen check that the links are working please.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 23, 2016, 07:13:35 PM
I tried one link and it took me to a paper where it had a window in Portuguese which a couldn't understand or go beyond. Do you mean this quote:
Quote
The Spanish detective agency Method 3, hired by the McCanns to find their daughter Madeleine, recruited lawyer Marcos Aragão Correia - linked to the cases of Madeleine's disappearance and later to that of Joana Cipriano - so that he could get Gonçalo Amaral, The former coordinator of the PJ of Portimão, was the main target of the case that accused him of failure to report acts of torture during the interrogation of Leonor Cipriano.
So what?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 23, 2016, 07:24:07 PM
I tried one link and it took me to a paper where it had a window in Portuguese which a couldn't understand or go beyond. Do you mean this quote: So what?
Would you be good enough to c&p the text printed beyond the "continue reading" point as it just doesn't work or allow me to sign in with google? Thanks in anticipation, because all I can gather is that a mate of Amaral's is actually attempting to discredit the McCanns via Metado3.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 23, 2016, 07:36:40 PM
For interest only. It is not a response to anything in particular.
Summed up well "So, let's see where we have arrived at: Leonor Cipriano, her lawyer who has scarpered to Brazil, a bunch of dodgy detectives and a libel trial based on a book which has already been judged by both the Appeals Court and Portugal's Supreme Court not to have breached the McCanns' basic rights.
Good luck Dr Amaral! This truly is a tangled web! "
Portugal's Supreme Court not to have breached the McCanns' basic rights. has this decision been released?
Do you mean you want a copy of a contract for an illegal activity? You don't see too many of those about these days do you? @)(++(*
Proof is what we need. A cite as we say.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on December 23, 2016, 10:13:08 PM
I know we have looked at this issue previously and probably on several occasions. There can be no doubt that Metodo 3 employed Correia but the big question is what was he employed to do?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 23, 2016, 11:19:38 PM
Summed up well "So, let's see where we have arrived at: Leonor Cipriano, her lawyer who has scarpered to Brazil, a bunch of dodgy detectives and a libel trial based on a book which has already been judged by both the Appeals Court and Portugal's Supreme Court not to have breached the McCanns' basic rights.
Good luck Dr Amaral! This truly is a tangled web! "
Portugal's Supreme Court not to have breached the McCanns' basic rights. has this decision been released? Proof is what we need. A cite as we say.
Yeah! I "heard" you the first time. Now you can try to work out why I said what I did then contemplate why one will only obtain the truth from the two who did the deal.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on December 24, 2016, 12:13:43 AM
I know we have looked at this issue previously and probably on several occasions. There can be no doubt that Metodo 3 employed Correia but the big question is what was he employed to do?
I think Marcos Correia worked pro bono (at least on the joana / Leonor C. Case) with just expences paid, John.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: slartibartfast on December 24, 2016, 07:32:18 AM
I think Marcos Correia worked pro bono (at least on the joana / Leonor C. Case) with just expences paid, John.
Please see previous post from Brietta.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 24, 2016, 08:38:36 AM
A quote from Robin Cook — 'If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck!'
No matter how Mccann supporters would like to think otherwise, there is no doubt in any person who has studied the case dispassionately, that Correia was employed for a specific reason.
CITE...
'Método 3, the Spanish detective agency hired by the McCanns, tried to convince Leonor Cipriano's Lawyer to change the course of defense. The agency operational wanted to make of Gonçalo Amaral - the former coordinator of the PJ of Portimão, responsible for the investigation to the disappearance of Madeleine and Joana, the main target, through the intersection of the two cases
by Pedro Coelho/SIC
The contact was made during the period in which the Spanish detectives were investigating the case of Madeleine McCann, 3 years old, disappeared from Praia da Luz, Algarve, on 3rd May 2007. The agency's operationals contacted the lawyer from Algarve, João Grade dos Santos [Leonor Cipriano former Lawyer], requesting support in the investigations. "They told me that they had contacted me because I was working on a matter which according to them, had similarities", clarifies the lawyer.
João Grade dos Santos prompted the interest of Método3 because he was officially defending Leonor Cipriano in a process where Gonçalo Amaral, was accused, by the Public Ministry, of omission to report acts of torture, performed by three other inspectors of the PJ, during the questioning to the mother of Joana Cipriano. The process, still ongoing, involves 5 members of the Judiciary Police and was opened following a complaint put forward by the director of the Odemira prison [Ana Maria Calado].
In February 2005, the Expresso newspaper published [article written by the actual Lawyer's bar Marinho Pinto] a series of photos of Leonor Cipriano, where the prison inmate appears with her eyes and face bruised. The bruises denounced the existence of an aggression.
Joana's mother, the eight year old girl, who disappeared in 2004 from the village of Figueira in the Algarve, was sentenced to 16 years in prison for the death and concealment of the corpse of her daughter.
In the contact made with João Grade dos Santos, the detectives of Método 3 spoke specifically of Gonçalo Amaral: "Obviously they had to speak about him: he was the inspector most talked about at that moment - mocked the lawyer - after all he was at the investigation of the two cases", he concludes. In their approach, the detectives emphasised the advantages of the proposal, "They told me that money for expenses was not a problem", stressed the lawyer.
Leonor Cipriano was defended by João Grade of Santos during all the inquest period but, on the eve of the start of the trial, the client waived the lawyer's services.
Months after having refused the proposal for collaboration with Metodo 3, João Grade dos Santos was replaced by Marcos Aragão Correia, a young lawyer with offices in Madeira [Portuguese Island]. From him it was a known a quick, but symbolic, passage through the continent: Aragão Correia participated in the searches for Madeleine, as a medium [psychic]. The lawyer had visions of the girl's corpse in the dam of the river Arade, in Silves. "The Judiciary Police - recognizes Aragão - completely dismissed these evidences, though I was a lawyer, while the Método 3 was very interested", he adds.
But the interest of the agency would focus in another objective: the detectives needed a lawyer who would assume the intersection of the Joana and Maddie cases.
Aragão Correia accepted what Grade dos Santos had refused: "The detectives met with me and told me: 'We are very concerned because there is an element common to both cases: Gonçalo Amaral, who is not interested in looking for children, he is only interested on incriminating the parents. It happened in Maddie’s case and also in Joana’s case.' Método 3 asked me to get involved in the case, they didn’t ask me to be Leonor’s lawyer, they asked me to make a few investigations as a lawyer."
Marcos Aragão Correia has accepted the challenge and, when he consulted the Joana case, he identified himself immediately, with the Spanish detectives theory. "I was outraged - he recalls - I thought that Mr. Gonçalo Amaral had a hidden interest for systematically accusing the mothers without evidences against them."
Following the interest expressed with the case, Marcos Aragão Correia visited Leonor Cipriano at the Odemira prison from where he ended up close to becoming the substitute of João Grade dos Santos: "It was Leonor who asked me. She told me that no one had ever defended her like that. After much reflection I decided to accept, and I informed Dr.João Grade dos Santos of Leonor’s decision".
As soon as Marcos Aragão Correia assumed the defense of Leonor Cipriano, the proceedings, relative to the Faro’s trial against the five PJ inspectors, changed it's course. He assumes that change himself: "The biggest nightmare of Gonçalo Amaral was when I entered in the case", he alerts.
Paulo Pereira Cristovão, a former PJ inspector and one of the 5 arguidos of Faro accuses Marcos Aragão Correia of trying to make a 'deal' with the defendants."And that deal was: all of you incriminate Gonçalo Amaral and I’ll arrange so that Leonor Cipriano says that you have nothing to do with this – well, deals like this, only in Hollywood", ironizes Pereira Cristovão.
Marcos Aragão Correia does not deny the existence of such a deal, he even alleges that the deal was related with a "confidence made by one of the arguidos" that had reached his ears. "That defendant send an e-mail to a friend of mine where he pointed Gonçalo Amaral as being guilty", denounces the lawyer.
Marcos Aragão Correia confesses that the negative opinion about the way that Gonçalo Amaral investigated the cases of Maddie and Joana, is not shared alone with the Método 3, hired by the McCann couple. The lawyer feeds the enigma: "If I am taking sides for one of the parties, it is obvious that that side is giving me moral support".
Aragão Correia does not clarify who is in fact behind this puzzle: "The secrecy of the contract which bounds me to Método 3 stops me from revealing details regarding the private investigation", concludes.
Contacted by the SIC, Método 3 decided not to give any statements. Nevertheless the McCann family spokesman alleges that the family does not comment issues that they consider to be negative.
There is also the matter of the gloating which Correia did after 'winning' a case against Amaral. I will find that in due course, as it said everything about him and his motives.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 24, 2016, 08:56:19 AM
' AC – As I enter in the case of Madeleine McCann - always believed in the innocence of parents, found a brutality what they did to them in terms of court. The research, parents who felt abandoned by the Portuguese police...They hired an agency of the Spanish detectives, Method 3, which was primarily responsible for the private investigation in this case. It was the espanhla agency that invited me to work with them. I gave into account, alarmed, the amount of evidence they had gathered in relation to facts which inculpavam Gonçalo Amaral. Comes the case of Joana Cipriano. When it happened, I was not a lawyer so I could not participate. When it happened the case of Madeleine McCann on May 3, 2007, I was already effective lawyer, because I always fell in love with me children's rights, protection of rights and freedoms of individuals, there was an opportunity here for me to do something I liked. As I mentioned in the previous question, the criminal law has always been my great passion is what I like to do within the law and so, when I enter the Madeleine McCann case, it does so because he believed in the innocence of the parents. It did not have to do with money, because he had a good family base that allowed me to live well financially but wanted to be part of that story. I worked "pro bono" that is, without expecting anything in return and without accepting anything in return. I started collaborating with detectives parents of Madeleine McCann and Leonor Cipriano.........................'
As to being pro-bono, he was employed by Metodo3, thereby a paid employer.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 24, 2016, 09:35:21 AM
The sheer blindess of some people never ceases to amaze, unless of course they know the truth full well, and are on here to attack it at every opportunity.
It's called 'spot the duck'. 8)--))
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 24, 2016, 09:42:31 AM
The sheer blindess of some people never ceases to amaze, unless of course they know the truth full well, and are on here to attack it at every opportunity.
It's called 'spot the duck'. 8)--))
So still nothing to support your accusation As expected
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: G-Unit on December 24, 2016, 10:52:58 AM
How strange you have quoted a post of mine from two and a half years ago Very strange behaviour
If I knowingly quote others I provide a cite. What I posted is what came into my mind when I read your post expressing your satisfaction at annoying Carly.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 24, 2016, 11:43:39 AM
If I knowingly quote others I provide a cite. What I posted is what came into my mind when I read your post expressing your satisfaction at annoying Carly.
May well be but totally bizarre behaviour
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 24, 2016, 11:45:38 AM
Some posters seem to be incapable of reading or understanding other posts on the same thread. @)(++(* @)(++(*
Yes you don't understand that you have still not provided anything to support your claim You don't seem to understand your own posts let alone anyone elses
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 24, 2016, 12:31:42 PM
Oh dear.
I suggest reading the quotes from Correia himself.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 24, 2016, 01:28:30 PM
I suggest reading the quotes from Correia himself.
Try reading the first page of this thread posted 2 and a 1/2 yrs ago You were spouting the same rubbish then and provided no confirmation then Nothing has changed total BS
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 24, 2016, 02:00:48 PM
Try reading the first page of this thread posted 2 and a 1/2 yrs ago You were spouting the same rubbish then and provided no confirmation then Nothing has changed total BS
This is the last time I will ever communicate to you.
I have been through the pages.
I have provided sufficiently cites/quotes to satisfy anyone who is not attached to the McCann's or representing them.
There is no doubt Correia was working on behalf of Metodo3 and the Mccanns, to go for Amaral. He said it himself.
Any person with an independent mind will see that for themselves, via the quotes and links provided.
They will also see from your posts on the this forum, exactly what you are doing and thereby representing.
You can type from now until the end of time. That won't change my opinion or the quotes/cites provided since yesterday.
End of.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 24, 2016, 02:27:37 PM
This is the last time I will ever communicate to you.
I have been through the pages.
I have provided sufficiently cites/quotes to satisfy anyone who is not attached to the McCann's or representing them.
There is no doubt Correia was working on behalf of Metodo3 and the Mccanns, to go for Amaral. He said it himself.
Any person with an independent mind will see that for themselves, via the quotes and links provided.
They will also see from your posts on the this forum, exactly what you are doing and thereby representing.
You can type from now until the end of time. That won't change my opinion or the quotes/cites provided since yesterday.
End of.
I'm glad that is the last time you will communicate with me as you are still posting absolute rubbish You said exactly the same thing on page one of this thread..two and a half years ago ..it's there for all to see Neither you nor anyone else could provide anything to show there was any campaign to discredit amaral You couldn't then and you can't now That is a fact
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 24, 2016, 07:08:32 PM
Will a supporter explain to me why they believe there should or would be a cite or evidence of a printed nature in respect of the thread topic ?.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alfie on December 24, 2016, 07:11:40 PM
Will a supporter explain to me why they believe there should or would be a cite or evidence of a printed nature in respect of the thread topic ?.
There's a rule on this forum that statements of fact should be supported by cites. Matters of opinion need not be supported by cites. I think that's right...? &%+((£
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 24, 2016, 07:18:26 PM
Will a supporter explain to me why they believe there should or would be a cite or evidence of a printed nature in respect of the thread topic ?.
Thanks for confirming that in your opinion there is no evidence to support the statement...Stephen will be pleased There should and would be some evidence of what Stephen is saying is a confirmed fact... it isn't so there isn't Thank you for your contribution it's been most helpful to my argument
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 24, 2016, 07:34:10 PM
Método 3 asked me to juridically investigate (to arrange for evidence and witnesses) the tortures by Mr Gonçalo Amaral, namely over Joana’s mother.
....and here's a picture of the man, and self proclaimed psychic who claimed Madeleine's body was at the bottom of a lake, before he withdrew his claim.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: stephen25000 on December 24, 2016, 08:48:34 PM
' After his efforts to find Madeleine’s body in the Arada Dam, little was heard about him, until the dramatic opening of the trial of Gonçalo Amaral and his four fellow detectives at Faro, on the Algarve Coast, in October this year. For on the first day of the trial, there was a dramatic announcement. Leonor Cipriano, the person bringing the allegation against the five detectives that she had been tortured in prison, announced that she was dropping her legal team and that she would now be represented by the dodgy lawyer from Madeira, Marcos Aragão Correio.
There was a sensational revelation early in the trial. During the early days of the trial, Mr Aragão Correia said on the record that Método 3 themselves, acting on behalf of the McCanns, had asked him to get involved in the Joana Cipriano case. He went on to claim that the McCanns, via Método 3, “ordered him to do an investigation” into allegations regarding the accusation by Leonor Cipriano. In short, the allegation was that she had been ‘tortured’ by Gonçalo Amaral’s detectives, and that Gonçalo Amaral had covered it all up. At the same time, Aragão Correia - who, it will be remembered, was described as a humble ‘good Samaritan’ in article about him privately funding the search in the lake - claimed on oath that no-one was currently paying him to bring the case against Amaral and his fellow-detectives.
This sensational revelation was put by the Portuguese newspaper, Correio da Manhã, to Método 3. It must be remembered that the enormous payments to Método 3 - said to total hundreds of thousands of pounds - were provided by the Helping to Find Madeleine Trust Fund. And in turn, the Helping to Find Madeleine Trust Fund had obtained its funds on the pretext using them to ‘find Madeleine’. Pensioners had given their weekly pension. Children had given their weekly pocket money. People in their thousands had donated money based on emotive stories of how Madeleine had apparently been abducted.
According to Correio da Manhã, the private detective agency denied any connection whatsoever to the lawyer, and also denied making him any payments. As Correio da Manhã was understandably quick to point out to their readers, Método 3’s denial was simple not credible, since, they said: “Aragão Correia has already admitted that he received money from Método 3 to pay his 'expenses' when he made the searches to find Madeleine's corpse in the reservoir. Though they didn’t say in in so many words, there is only one interpretation that can be put on Método 3’s denial of involvement with Aragão Correia and denial of paying him. They are lying.
Aragão Correia had earlier told the press that he had received a ‘vision’ or a ‘supernatural indication’ as to the whereabouts of Madeleine, which had prompted his interest in the first place. It was not clear from this whether this came before or after Monday 6 May 2007, the day that Mr Aragão Correia claimed he had been told by underworld sources that Madeleine had been abducted, killed, and thrown in a lake.
He claimed that he had gone to the Algarve ‘at his own expense’. He told the court on oath: “Método 3’asked me to try to get involved in the Joana case to obtain statements from Leonor and her brother to try to understand if she was tortured by the police, nothing else”.
Dealing with suspicions that in agreeing to defend Leonor Cipriano, he was being paid by someone who is very interested in ensuring that Gonçalo Amaral is convicted of a crime, or at least that his reputation is damaged - because of his public comments about Madeleine probably having died in Apartment 5A in Praia da Luz – he retorted to the court: “I don't get paid in pounds or in euros. I am here for principles, and my objective is to set free Leonor Cipriano”.
During the court session held on Monday 3 November, it emerged that Marcos Aragão Correia had made efforts to do a deal with the four detectives under Amaral’s command. The lawyer defending the four detectives said he had received an approach from Aragão Correia, proposing a very dirty deal.
Aragão Correia, he said, had asked him to consider a deal whereby, in exchange for the four detectives all agreeing to testify against Goncalo Amaral, and state that it was Amaral who gave the order to torture Leonor Cipriano, he would ensure that the charges against the four detectives were re-drawn so that their sentences would be greatly reduced. Hey would not get a custodial sentence, he promised.
In court he blustered that to offer such a deal was ‘normal procedure’, adding that although he had been paid by the McCanns, via Método 3, in the past, he was ‘no longer’ being paid by them. But by then - by all accounts - he had lost all credibility with the court. So had Leonor Cipriano, with members of the public openly laughing at her preposterous lies and constant changes of story.
The defence lawyer for the four detectives, Pragal Colaço, commented: “This proposed deal was not ethically correct. Resorting to a deal of this nature results from an attitude which that demonstrates a certain dementia” - in other words, he was saying that the deal proposed by Mr Aragão Correia was due to his ‘madness’. Gonçalo Amaral’s lawyer, António Cabrita, was not of course notified about this dirty deal
The lawyer for the four detectives, Pragal Colaço, didn’t deny the conversation with Marcos Aragão Correia. Unsurprisingly, perhaps, Mr Aragão Correia was frustrated that he could not clinch his proposed dirty deal with Mr Colaço and Mr Cabrita. The word ‘cabrita’, in Portuguese, means ‘goat’. On one occasion, Mr Correio snapped and called Mr Cabrita ‘a goat ’.
Questioned about the deal, Pragal Colaço preferred not to comment, saying that he feared possible ‘reprisals’ from the Portuguese lawyers’ association, the Lawyers’ Order.
He said on the record: “I don’t want any more disciplinary processes. I was notified by the Lawyers’ Order about an issue where I made a statement four years ago, and this happens. I don’t want any problems because I know that the Lawyers’ Order keeps persecuting me and I don’t want any further trouble. Any lay person is able to understand that a proposal to cut a deal that is made in order to condemn Dr Gonçalo Amaral means that this process is being used for purposes that are not part of the process”.
The deal to ‘get’ Amaral was preceded by news of an e-mail. Mr Aragão Correio, before proposing his dirty deal, said to Mr Colaço: “I possesses an e-mail that incriminates Gonçalo Amaral. It accuses him being present at the torture and beating of Ms Cipriano”. He said: “I hold information that Mr Paulo Cristóvão sent an e-mail to a friend of mine at the Policia Judiciária, in which he confessed that there was torture, not by him, but by Mr Gonçalo Amaral himself. We may get to the point where we have to present this e-mail in court”. It seemed to most observers in court a desperate ploy to worry Amaral and his legal team. He had claimed that the alleged e-mail was sent approximately 3 years ago [in 2005] by one of the detectives (now a former detective) now on trial, Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, to a common friend who works at the Policia Judiciária.
Aragão had said that he was not ready to reveal the document ‘yet’. In it, Pereira Cristóvão allegedly confirmed that ‘four days before Leonor’s confession’ there was indeed ‘torture and beatings’ and that it was the Portimão Police team, led by Gonçalo Amaral, who were responsible for the assault. Amaral, it was claimed, would not only have known about the details of the torture and beatings facts but was also responsible for issuing orders “for every possible method to be used in order to force a confession from Leonor”.
It was following the revelation of this supposed ‘trump card’ by Mr Aragão Correia to Mr Colaço that he proposed a deal, apparently something that is not permitted by the Portuguese penal law process. Correia is alleged to have offered the four defendant detectives the prospect of suspended sentences. If they confessed, stating that Gonçalo Amaral gave the order to assault Leonor Cipriano, and that he had also personally participated in the torture and beatings of Leonor Cipriano, he would guarantee a reduced charge for each of the four and a suspended sentence. He made this offer despite the fact that the accusation is brought by the Public Ministry, not by Aragão Correia himself - and the penalty is decided by the Court that is constituted by three judges and four jurors, a panel of seven.
The Police Officers of Portugual (the Policia Judiciara) have a trade union - or perhaps more correctly, a staff association - the Association of Criminal Investigation Employees (ASFIC). Its President, Mr Carlos Anjos, was quick to speak out against the dirty deal and in support of Gonçalo Amaral and his four detectives.
Carlos Anjos, speaking about the case, recalled that: “The only people [throughout this case] to always maintain the same version of events - because they are the truth - are the four detectives. [By contrast], just look at the contradictions in Leonor Cipriano’s various statements - as well as the evidence given by the Prison Governor, the Chief Prison Officer and the Consultant Prison Doctor on the health of Ms Cipriano.
It was clear, said Carlos Anjos, that Gonçalo Amaral was the real target of this trial. He was the one individual in all this that the prosecution really wanted to crucify, he explained to the media. Carlos Anjos said that the official response of ASFIC to this grubby, dishonest deal, was a firm ‘No’. He said: “I refused straightaway because I don’t cut deals. The five are all innocent. We stand or fall together. This lawyer - Marcos Aragão Correia - worked for Método 3”.
The former Director of the National Judicial Police (PJ), the ‘Judge-Adviser Mr Santos Cabral, also spoke out and said there had been no culpability by Gonçalo Amaral in the conduct of the complex investigation into the ‘disappearance’ of Joana Cipriano.
The dramatic revelations about Marcos Aragão Correia having been enlisted by Método 3 to pursue Gonçalo Amaral, and the news that there had been an attempt to persuade the four detectives to say that they had been ordered to torture Leonor Cipriano, prompted respected Portuguese University Professor, Dr Franciso Moita Flores, to pen an article in a Portuguese newspaper, Correio da Manhã, about this court case against Gonçalo Amaral. Amongst other robust comments, clearly uttered with real feeling, he wrote:
“The trial of the possible torture on the mother of Joana is revealing episodes of a perversion that do not cease to amaze us…the Police are not angels, nor were they sent by Christ to Earth. Their profession hardens them, makes them stubborn, suspicious, and determined…and a crime so heinous as this one [the murder of Joana Cipriano] can lead even a Police officer to lose his head and to commit an unforgivable foolishness [like an assault on the perpetrator] .
“Now the trial has arrived and the evidence is unfolding...Leonor Cipriano has confessed that she helped to kill her daughter on a given day, and that the beating by the police was on the day immediately following [her confession]. It is an absurdity.
”The astonishment [at this absurdity] only increases when we learn that Leonor Cipriano cannot even identify any of the Police officers who allegedly attacked her.
“Gonçalo Amaral is clearly being persecuted, not because of the Leonor Cipriano case, but by the agents of Método 3, the detective agency hired by Madeleine's parents. This simply confirms that this case is not about justice. In fact, it is an abuse of the court process, a disgrace, a heinous farce. And all of this is happening for the ugliest of reasons - reasons which are also part of our human condition”.
One final question might be asked about Correio’s dirty little proposal. How would it serve the cause of justice and good policing in Portugal to convict only someone – Amaral - who is no longer with the force, and leave working as serving police officers two men (Marques Bom and Cardoso) who were either willing to torture a witness, actively cover it up, or both?
The other two inspectors, Chief Inspector Leonel, one of the most respected men ever to have worked for the PJ, and Paulo Pereira Cristovao, have already resigned from the Portuguese police over the affair.
The involvement of the Lawyers' Order
A further indication of sinister forces at work in this case came with the involvement of The Portuguese Lawyer’s Order, or the Portuguese Bar (the Ordem dos Advogados). They requested the status of ‘Assistente’ in this case - similar to the role of ‘Amicus Curia’ in the English courts - a ‘friend of the court’ who is supposed to assist the court to achieve the ‘right’ result. Their request - which was granted by the courts, was to become involved in the proceedings against Amaral and his four fellow detectives “in order to assist the public prosecution (Ministerio Publico) in finding out the truth”.
The head of the Portuguese Lawyer’s Order, Mr Marinho Pinto is a man that has often made public statements to maintain and strengthen the abduction theory in the Madeleine McCann case. Many Portuguese lawyers have regarded him as guilty on many occasions of exceeding his role by his forthright criticisms of the Policia Judiciara in the McCann case.
In this particular case, it appears that Marinho Pinto himself has been proposed in a list of possible witness to come and make a statement in court about the Cipriano case. Although Mr Marinho is always keen to come and make statements on TV, it appears that he was somehow less comfortable giving those statements in a court of law. Therefore this status of ‘Assistente’, granted to the Lawyer’s Order, means that he cannot be heard as a witness anymore - very convenient for Mr Marinho Pinto as he continues his attacks against the PJ in the media.
There are many concerns here. For a start, the obvious links between Metodo 3 and Cipriano's lawyer, Aragao Correio? Then there is the likely link between the extreme statements made by Marinho Pinto about the McCann case and Goncalo Amaral, and his sudden unwillingness to speak personally in court on the Joana Cipriano case. Add to that the fact that the Lawyers Order in Portugal, which represents the country’s lawyers, continues to deliberately prefer to attack the PJ at the expense of truth and justice. On top of all that is the fact that the judge in charge of the process accepted the Lawyer‘s Order's application to become an ‘Assistente in the Cipriano process.
This case just gives us great insights into who was interested, for whatever reason, in having the investigation into the Madeleine McCann case collapse. Maybe Mr Marinho Pinto would have something to say about that.
RTP reported on 18 November 2008:
The Directorship of the Prison Service has acted after the denouncement of her made by the Chief Prison Officer over the pressures on her to change her report on Leonor Cipriano’s injuries. After the Chief Prison Officer of Odemira Penitentiary, António Maia, told the court that the Prison Governor suggested to her to change the report about Leonor Cipriano’s bruises, from a likely fall off the stairs to torture and beatings, the General Directorship of the Prison Service has acted.
The Prison Governor, Ana Calado, is already facing a disciplinary process, after the Prison Service requested the Court in Faro to send a copy of the statements made by António Maia in the court session of 28 of October. The Chief Prison Officer said he suffered pressure from the Prison Governor to frame the policemen. The lawyers defending Goncalo Amaral have already announced their intention to bring proceedings against Ana Calado.
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Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: stephen25000 on December 24, 2016, 08:49:38 PM
In the Court at Faro on 18 November, the Doctor who assisted Leonor Cipriano at the Odemira Health Centre, only a few hours after the alleged beatings, said in court that the lesions that he saw on her legs didn’t match those that are visible on one of the photos that were taken.
While recognizing that he is not an expert in forensics medicine, because he is a general practitioner, the Doctor, who gave his deposition through video link, stated that the lesions that were visible on the photo that he was shown through that equipment did not match the ones that he had seen on Leonor Cipriano at the time.
The Doctor was the second witness to be heard during the fourth session of the trial, after the court finished the questioning of the prison employee who photographed Leonor Cipriano. The questioning of that photographer had been interrupted in the previous trial session, two weeks ago.
According to the Doctor, Joana’s mother Leonor Cipriano presented lesions in the right facial, frontal and temporal areas, but not on the left side, as revealed on the photograph that was showed to him by the court. In that photograph, Leonor Cipriano clearly shows lesions on both sides of the face, in the eye area.
According to the clinician, despite it being possible that a drainage of blood in the descending direction could have taken place a few hours after the beatings were inflicted, that is most unlikely to happen, unless Ms Cipriano had been lying on her left side for hours.
“What I saw was one single, very strong, blow on the right side”, he asserted, observing that, in his opinion, it would be ‘impossible’ for the lesions to spread into the left side of the face, even more so because Leonor must have been sitting or standing up during that day, and never lying down.
The doctor from the Health Centre in Odemira also said that Leonor Cipriano adamantly refused to show her her body, alleging that she had no further lesions apart from those that she presented in her face and that it ‘wasn’t worthwhile’ for the medic to observe her in a more detailed manner.
According to the clinician, despite at the time tending to trust the information given to her by the patient, at the same time she did not trust the explanation that was given to her for the lesions – namely, that she had bumped her head into a wall when she tried to throw herself off the stairs in an attempt to kill herself. She reasoned that a fall of that nature would inflict bodily lesions as well. But Leonor Cipriano said she had no other bruises or injuries, and refused to show her body
During the morning of today’s session, Ferreira Leite, who was the Director of the Serious Crime Unit of the Polícia Judiciária at that time, was also heard, confirming that a team was sent [from Lisbon] into the Algarve to reinforce the investigation in the Joana Cipriano case.
Ferreira Leite further stated that he didn’t know who was responsible for the coordination of operations in the Joana case, whether in fact it was Gonçalo Amaral or the national joint director, Guilhermino da Encarnação, given the fact that it was the Faro Directorate that decided about actions on the ground.
At the end of the hearing’s first part, Rodrigo Santiago, from the Lawyers’ Order, which made itself an ‘Assiente’ (‘friend of the court) in the proceedings, made a request for the President of the National Institute for Forensics Medicine to be heard in court, given the fact that he possesses specific knowledge of forensic medicine.
On leaving the court on 18 November, Leonor Cipriano’s lawyer, Marcos Aragão Correia, reinforced his intention for the Public Ministry to file an accusation against Gonçalo Amaral, in an autonomous process, over alleged torture, given the fact that he is the ‘main responsible person’ over the torture and beatings that Leonor allegedly suffered.
“The prosecution was incomplete and I cannot accept that the main person responsible for the torture of Ms Cipriano goes unpunished”, he told journalists. He also recalled the other alleged false statements that were offered in court by Gonçalo Amaral and which were the subject of a criminal complaint by Leonor’s defence team at the time.
Gonçalo Amaral’s lawyer, António Cabrita, stated that he prefers to wait to see whether or not any new accusation is filed, and underlined that during the trial he believed there had been no change in the facts nor the production of any new evidence that would in any way justify new proceedings.
An article by Hernâni Carvalho
For the sake of the record, and because valuable additional detail is recorded - though there is a substantial amount of repetition involved – I reproduce here an article by Hernâni Carvalho, published in on . I have very slightly revised the English translation for the benefit of the English reader:
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Leonor Cipriano’s lawyer proposed to help the Policia Judiciara’s inspectors, who stand accused of torture, if he was ‘given the head of Gonçalo Amaral’. The news was confirmed by himself to Tvmais.
Gonçalo Amaral’s head, against the absolution of the other inspectors - such was the proposal that was made by Leonor Cipriano’s lawyer to one of the lawyers for the PJ inspectors. The information hit the newsroom at TVmais like a bombshell.
“I confirm it”, TVMais was told by Carlos Anjos, the President of ASFIC, the union for the PJ’s Criminal Investigation staff. “Our colleagues’ lawyer (Pragal Colaço) has informed us about the said proposal that was made by Leonor Cipriano’s lawyer, Marcos Aragão. He wanted Gonçalo Amaral’s head. Concerning the others, he said that a way would be found to clear them”.
If we in the newsroom found this strange, any doubts were dismissed when we contacted Marcos Aragão Correio himself. “Yes, indeed I spoke with Dr Pragal Colaço and I confirm that I proposed to help him in the defence of the other inspectors if they were prepared to stated that they acted under Gonçalo Amaral’s direction. A reduction of the sentence would be achieved for them”, the lawyer told our magazine. Leonor Cipriano’s lawyer confirmed to us that he is ready to defend the inspectors who stand accused of torturing his client, if in exchange, he can obtain from them an unequivocal condemnation against the PJ’s co-ordinating inspector, Gonçalo Amaral.
Aragão Correio told TVmais that he is in possession of an email that was written by Paulo Cristóvão to another PJ inspector where he states that he was given ‘carte blanche’ by Gonçalo Amaral to beat up Leonor Cipriano. We contacted Paulo Cristóvão. The former PJ inspector told us, laconically, that Correio’s claim ‘doesn’t even deserve a comment. We shall see what happens in the appropriate location, which is a court hearing’.
Concerning the deal, António Cabrita, Gonçalo Amaral’s lawyer, told us: “I don’t know about these proposals [of Correio’s]. Dr Gonçalo Amaral trusts the Portuguese justice system that he served for 27 years. Those deals have no validity whatsoever in the Portuguese penal system. Here, the court only appreciates facts, not deals”.
He continued: “An inspector sits on the bench, accused of forgery, but it was the Chief Prison Officer who went to court to state that the director of the prison of Odemira (Ana Maria Calado) ordered her to change a document, which she refused to do” Carlos Anjos from ASFIC/PJ finds this strange. “I have yet to understand what stands behind all this. Marcos Aragão Correio is more committed to ruining the credibility of Gonçalo Amaral and the PJ in the Madeleine McCann case than concerned about Leonor Cipriano’s pain”, he said.
The truth is that contradictions and requests for new ‘certificates of application’ is what has been mostly seen at the Court in Faro. During the various trial sessions of the five PJ inspectors who stand accused of torturing Leonor Cipriano, requests follow upon requests for certificates to be allowed to file new complaints. These come both from the prosecution and from the defence.
Due to the sheer volume of accusations and counter-accusations, the combined judgment panel of judges, which is led by Henrique Pavão, and consisting of three judges, four jurors, has already complained about the fact that bureaucratic issues are delaying and lengthening the trial..
What is known for certain is that on 13 October 2004, Leonor Cipriano confessed to murdering her daughter Joana. It is also known that she did so in the presence of her lawyer, Célia Costa, who confirms on oath that she didn’t see anyone assaulting Leonor.
The process begun by the Public Ministry (PM) over alleged assaults on Leonor Cipriano commenced two days later, on 15 October. But the PM failed to determine who committed the assaults.
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Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 24, 2016, 08:52:01 PM
The PJ inspectors and Gonçalo Amaral stand accused of having created the circumstances in which the assaults to be carried out. Then, Leonor Cipriano was detained awaiting questioning in Odemira prison and the Policia Judiciara was searching for her daughter Joana, or what was left of her.
Two days after she had confessed to killing her daughter Leonor, in the presence of her lawyer, Leonor Cipriano returned to the prison in Odemira with hematomas to her face. At that time, she stated that she had fallen, whilst in police custody, and the prison guards wrote a report. Now, she says that she was assaulted by the PJ inspectors with fists and kicks and with a cardboard tube.
Why did Leonor dismiss he former lawyer, Grade?
Grade simply said: “I don’t know.” Leonor Cipriano’s former lawyer told TVmais that he heard about his dismissal “from a journalist who asked me if I had been removed from the case. As I knew nothing about it, I denied it. It was only later that I read an e-mail from my colleague Marcos Aragão Correio. That was how I found out that I had been dismissed from the defence of Mrs Cipriano. She had apparently signed a document revoking my power of attorney and had hired another lawyer. I know through my colleague that she stated she was not happy with me because I didn’t attack mount a full frontal attack on Dr Gonçalo Amaral frontally. She said that she felt better supported while being defended by my colleague”.
Leonor’s contradictions
Leonor sometimes remembers and sometimes forgets.
First, she said that she had seen who had assaulted her, but later she denied this.
Second, she said that there was a blue plastic bag over her head, but soon afterwards she changed this to saying it was ‘green or blue’.
During the inquiry, she said that she had been tortured and assaulted ‘more than once’, but now, during the trial, she stated it that it happened only once.
Furthermore, she said she knew the time of the beating - around 8.00pm - because she had looked at the clock in the room where she had been beaten. However, during the trial, she was asked to describe the room and did so without referring to any clock.
There were several major contradictions from Leonor, but one of her sentences has stuck in everyone’s memory. “I don’t remember having confessed”, she told the court.
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More on Leonor Cipriano’s contradictions
1. It is understood that no confession is admissible in court in Portugal unless the defendant repeats it in open court. It is understood that Leonor Cipriano did repeat her confession in her trial in 2005. So what made her change her mind, over two years later?
2. Leonor Cipriano originally said she had been beaten by PJ inspectors, but when asked to pick them out of a line-up, she could not. She then changed her story to say that the PJ inspectors ‘must have arranged for a person or persons unknown to come into the police station and beat her’. She then changed her mind again to say she was beaten by the PJ – but she claims she cannot identify them because a bag was placed over her head during the beating.
3. Leonor had never said that Goncalo Amaral had laid a hand on her until the court hearing in Faro. Indeed, he is ‘only’ so far been charged with the Portuguese equivalent of ‘criminal malfeasance’ for the alleged actions of men under his command. Yet, in the Faro court, Leonor Cipriano changed her storysonce again and now says, yes, Amaral personally had hit her after all. However, there has been no evidence presented that Goncalo Amaral was even present when she was being questioned.
(4) In her original statement, Leonor Cipriano said she knew the time the assaults on her took place because there was a clock on the wall in the room, and that it was approximately from 6.00pm to 8.00pm. Yet three of the named PJ inspectors accused of torturing her were not even in the building at that time; they did not sign into the police station until 8.00 pm on the day in question.
4. Leonor Cipriano at one point said that she was forced to kneel on broken glass. But there appears to be no record of damage to her knees or legs that would be consistent with such a serious incident.
5. We must ask how anyone, suffering the injuries that Leonor Cipriano now claims she has suffered, namely being beaten about the body, head and face for two hours and yet not have injuries such as cracked ribs or bruises all over her body, cracked, broken, or knocked-out teeth, split lip, broken or blo*dy nose, or bruises below the level of her cheekbones?
6. According to press reports, when asked by the Prison Governor at Odemira Prison to explain her injuries, Leonor Cipriano did not implicate anyone in the police. We must ask then under what circumstances the Prison Director asked her Chief Prison Officer to change the account Ms Cipriano originally provided.
7. When she was asked in court to give the names of the people she was accusing, Leonor Cipriano had to pull a piece of paper out of her purse. One would think that four years after she claimed to have been tortured, she would have had the time to learn their names. It begs the question of who wrote that list. Did someone else write it out for her?
False evidence by the authorites to help frame Gonçalo Amaral
The weakness of the prosecution case was clear from early on in the trial of Amaral and his colleagues.
The sequence of events leading up to the injuries sustained by Leonor Cipriano were soon established. Leonor Cipriano had apparently made her confession to the Policia Judiciara on 13 October 2004. She had then been taken to prison. What was clear was that the main injuries she suffered to her face and knees, quite probably caused by a fellow inmate, were probably sustained days afterwards, certainly no earlier than 16 October, i.e. after she made her confession to the Police. The probable date of the assault on Ms Cipriano was the date she was seen by the Consultant Prison Doctor, namely 18 October.
The Consultant Prison Doctor who was giving medical evidence to support the alleged torture of Leonor Cipriano contradicted herself on one important detail. A report written on the 18 October 2004 mentioned no lesions to the knees of Joana’s mother, who didn’t complain about any either. Yet on 29 October, she requested an X-ray to be performed on these lesions.
According to the medic, when she observed Leonor on 18 October 2004, she presented lesions on several parts of her body. She had ‘red swollen eyes’, ‘the left eye shut’, ‘minor cuts on both knees, superficial but symmetrical’. And she presented lesions to her back, to her chest and on her arms. Bit on 18 October the Doctor reported no ‘lesions’ on her knees.
Evidence was then heard by the court that the Prison Governor of Odemira Prison, where Ms Cipriano was being held, had ordered the Chief Prison Officer to materially alter a report about Leonor Cipriano’s health - yet, said Mr Carlos Anjos - it was a ‘stupefying fact’ that [instead of the Prison Governor being on trial] the person on trial for allegedly falsifying a document is António Cardoso, one of the four detectives.
There was a reference to Ms Cipriano having suffered injuries before she arrived at the prison. A former prison guard of Odemira prison, Ana Paula Teixeira, was heard during the trial on a videoconference link. She confirmed that Leonor Cipriano arrived at the prison with injuries, and explained, in the presence of the detectives, that she had suffered them as she fell off the stairs. However, social worker Adélia Palma explained during a later court session during the trial that Leonor Cipriano had told her that she had been assaulted during the questioning she was subject to at the Policia Judiciara and that the detectives had ‘ordered’ her to say that she fell. However, whatever these injuries might have been, the clear evidence heard by the court was that Leonor Cipriano suffered her main set of injuries on 18 October whilst she was already in prison.
One of Leonor Cipriaon’s lies in court may have been her denial that she was visited in prison by her lawyer, Mr Aragão Correia, on 30 October, during the trial. Gonçalo Amaral’s lawyer, António Cabrita, asked for Leonor Cipriano to be heard again, as he wanted to clarify what he said was ‘a lie’ either by her or from her dodgy lawyer.
Cabrita referred to an article that was published in a national newspaper, where Mr Aragão Correia admitted to having visited Ms Cipriaono in prison on the night of the 30 October, after she had been giving evidence on Day One of the trial. He had told the press that it was necessary visit her to ‘calm her down’ as she had been ‘very nervous’ following questions earlier that day from the Policia Judiciara’s lawyers.
Yet before that newspaper article appaeraed, during the second day’s session, when António Cabrita had asked Leonor Cipriano if she had received any visits at the prison, she replied that she had not.
“So someone is lying”, said Cabrita, merely stating the obvious.
A further contradiction between Leonor Capriano’s evidence and that of others occurred when the photographer who took the photographs of Ms Cipriano’s injuries in the prison reported that he was called immediately after the injuries were sustained and that he took the pictures ‘during the afternoon and with daylight’. But Ms Cipriano had claimed that the photographs had been taken ‘at night, in a room without light’.
Another official admitted that the prison had destroyed the photographs taken of Leonor’s knees because ‘the alleged injuries to her knees were not very visible’.
Given these examples of lies, contradictions and attempts to falsify documents and cover up certain matters, it was scarcely surprising that some of the four jurors asked a lot of questions of the witnesses during the trial.
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Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 24, 2016, 08:56:52 PM
One interesting statement made by Mr Aragão Correia to the court was that British Police officers had been ‘investigating’ Gonçalo Amaral. This is probably yet another fabrication by this dodgy, dishonest lawyer. It will be interesting to see if the trial judge asks him for their names, ranks, collar number and their place of employment. It would be a truly sensational revelation if it could ever be proved that any paid British security officer had actually been used in what Mr Aragão Correia was clearly suggesting was a ‘private investigator’ role, trying to get any ‘dirt’ on Amaral.
The failure of the British press to report the trial
It is just possible that the case against Gonçalo Amaral and his fellow detectives, being brought by Portugal’s equivalent of the Crown Prosecution Service, is being brought to clear Amaral and to prove him innocent. The chief prosecutor is thought by many to have a good relationship with the Portuguese Police. Did he perhaps bring this case knowing that Leonor Cipriano’s allegations would be exposed as bogus and that the facts about her lawyer’s direct links with Método 3 - and thereby to the McCanns - would become exposed?
That seems most unlikely, given that the alleged misconduct of Gonçalo Amaral in the Cipriano case provides an all-too-convenient excuse for sidelining him from the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance, and given also that the British press has made hay with endlessly recycling pictures of Leonor Cipriano with black eyes. So much so, in fact, that many people I have spoken to in England believe that it was Amaral himself who was the one who personally beat up Ms Cipriano, never mind being the detective who was supposed to have covered up things his team of detectives is supposed to have done.
Certainly some interesting information has come out of the trial of Amaral and his colleagues, for example:
(1) The involvement of Método 3 in their close association with Mr Aragão Correia
(2) The apparent funding of Aragão Correia by Método 3 - though clearly we do not yet know the full extent of this
(3) The claim that the Prison Governor ordered the alteration of an initial report of the beating and of a medical report
(4) The alleged special treatment that Leonor Cipriano was accorded by the Prison Governor after the beating
(5) The fact that Leonor Cipriano appears to have been beaten some days after her confession, when probably all the other inmates in the prison already knew about her confession
(6) The dirty and possibly illegal proposed deal to give the four detectives light sentences in order to ‘get’ Gonçalo Amaral.
A French journalist who has closely covered the Madeleine McCann case, Duarte Levy, appeared on TV in October (2008) and claimed to have interviewed an ex-convict who was doing time in the same prison as Leonor Cipriano at the time of the events. When asked if she knew who had beaten Leonor Cipriano in prison, the female ex-convict is said to have replied: “Of course I know. I was one of them”.
That account seems far more credible than what Leonor Cipriano asks us to believe, namely that four police detectives, none of whose identities she can recall, beat her up days after she made her confession to the Police.
Now we need to consider why two parents of a missing child would criticise the Police Officer leading the hunt for her, almost from ‘Day One’ of the investigation. If the McCanns had genuinely believed that Madeleine had been abducted, they might possibly have had grounds for thinking that he may not be doing all that he could to search for Madeleine. But to discredit Mr Amaral from the offset seems to demonstrate that the McCanns simply wanted to blame everyone but themselves for Madeleine’s fate. They wanted to smear him and make out they were being framed – a clever tactic, and one for which their chief PR adviser. Mr Clarence Mitchell, had been well trained, as one of the government’s chief ‘spinners’. He had been Head of the ‘Media Monitoring Unit’ at the Central Office of Information on the day Madeleine had been reported ‘missing’.
It must have been clear to them soon after the early days that Gonçalo Amaral was a determined pursuer of the truth and was most unlikely to be capable of being bribed.
Did the Portuguese government and the higher judicial authorities there who approved this ill-judged trial of Gonçalo Amaral and his colleagues badly over-reach themselves? Perhaps they thought that they could clinch a verdict against Amaral, with the help of the Prison Governor and others giving false evidence? No doubt they were hoping that Amaral would be convicted at least of ‘perverting the course of justice’, or something like that - if not actual torture - with the pliant British press on hand to report ‘Disgraced Maddie cop guilty of torture cover-up’, or words to that effect.
After all, the British press and the British and Portuguese authorities seemed to have laid the groundwork Amaral's name only appeared in the British press prefixed by the phrase ‘disgraced cop", preferably with a mention of the Cipriano case and ‘torture’ thrown in for good measure, along with that iconic photo of a miserable-looking Leonor Cipriano with two black eyes.
During the past year or so, every time bad news about the police investigation surfaced, the McCanns and their PR team would be quick to seize on ‘corruption’, ‘beatings’ etc. that were supposedly ‘rife’ in the Portuguese judicial system.
As one person on one of the many Madeleine McCann forums pointed out: “Odd, isn't it? ‘McCann friends get out-of-court payout from newspaper’ is front-page news in several national papers, while ‘McCann private detectives accused of paying lawyer to frame Maddie cop’ doesn't get a mention. Clearly I have no nose for what makes a powerful front-page story”.
A book by Marcos Alexandre Aragao Correia
In December 2008, there was a remarkable interview given by Aragao Correia to a Portuguese journalist, José Leite, from the magazine O Crime. In this interview, he spoke about a book he was writing that ‘mixed truth and fiction’ (perhaps a bit like himself in real life), titled: “The Little Girls that Came from the Stars”. He said it contained references to the hunt for Madeleine McCann.
Aragao Correia told the journalist: “I mix true facts with imaginary ones, dealing with new aspects of the private investigation that Maddie’s parents carried out into their daughter’s disappearance. In the book I speak about my powers as a medium - and how those powers were useful to develop a private investigation that counted on the support of the Método 3 Detective Agency. I wanted to employ that gift of mine to help discover hard truths about the disappearance of Maddie, without in any way using my gift for material gain. My goal was not to earn money - especially as I am fortunate enough to lead an economical life in Madeira without any financial difficulties - but simply to help those parents who were so distraught and living in such a distressed state. One of the major teachings of spiritualism is that it is only through helping others that we are able to help ourselves. That was what I intended to do in this case: to help this little girl, showing her my all-conquering, precious love”.
Pausing there, we see that Aragao Correia states boldy that he is a spritualist, claiming the psychic powers of a medium. Now people have different views about claims like these, some dismissing them as complete fantasy, others by contrast emphasising that these are dangerous occult powers and not to be tampered with (the Christian view). One thing that can safely be said is that a procession of psychics (over 150, it was reported) offered their help to the McCanns and the Portuguese police - and from the records we have of the claims they made, it seems that every ‘psychic’ had a different ‘hunch’ or ‘feeling’ about what might have happened to Madeleine. In short, without wishing to unduly hurt the feelings of mediums and those who claim psychic powers, they are unreliable. Therefore we can place no trust whatsoever in what inforamtion Aragao Correia claims to have divined from his claimed powers as a medium.
Aragao Correia then went on to give the journalist an account of his ‘vision of Madeleine’. The journalist asked: “How did that premonition of yours about the Maddie case happen?”
Here is Aragao Correia’s reply - if you can believe it:
“On 5th May, on returning from a spiritualist meeting in Madeira, immediately after going to bed, but just before falling asleep - at around midnight - an extraordinary thing happened to me, for the first time in my life: I saw the image of a little girl that must have been around four years of age, with blonde, shoulder-length straight hair, blue eyes, very disturbed, visibly unable to understand what was happening to her, accompanied by a female being of great beauty and great spiritual standing. Then, other images appeared to me, concerning what had happened to this girl. I saw a strongly-built man, blue eyes, somewhat balding and with blondish hair, brutally raping that girl and then strangling her with his hands, throwing the cadaver into a lake. I perceived by a map that was shown to me [he does not say by whom - T.B.] , that this happened in the Algarve, but I couldn’t read the name of the village. I stress that I hadn’t seen any photo of Maddie before. I only knew, from what I’d heard on the radio, that she was 3 years old”.
Correia Aragao developed his story further, as the journalist asks him if his ‘vision’ of a ‘strongly-buily blond man’ corresponded with anyone who featured in the Portuguese investigation:
“Yes, there were references about a strongly built individual of British appearance as a suspect. Still, as this was my first vision in my entire life, there was, on my part, a certain reluctance to divulging it. So I let a few days pass, to see whether or not the little girl showed up. Eventually I gave this lead to the Policia Judiciara (PJ), on 9th May, but after that they never contacted me. Later on, I received information from a PJ insider in Portimão that the investigation was no longer based on the working hypothesis of abduction. So it was then that I decided to carry out my own private investigation. I travelled over to continental Portugal, and visited the various lakes and dams of the Algarve, until I reached the Arade Dam, which was the only one that precisely matched the scenery that I had seen in my vision. I decided to contact a senior official at Método 3, the detective agency that had been hired by the McCanns to investigate their daughter’s disappearance. When I mentioned that the dam was located in Silves, I noticed that they were surprised and immediately wanted to speak with me”.
Again, let us pause to evaluate these words from the unreliable Aragao Correia. He tells us he had this vision on a Saturday night (5 May), after a spritualist meeting. Then he claims he gave the information to the PJ four days later. What information? And how? - by e-mail? Or by ’phone? Then we get to an interesting snippet - that he recieves inside information (from a PJ police officer, presumably) that the investigation is no longer working on abduction as a theory, but presumably on the possibility that Madeleine died in Apartment 5A and her body hidden or disposed of. That ties in with inforamtion received by Belgian journalist Duarte Levy that there was indeed a Portuguese detective who was leaking information about the investigation to Métetodo 3 who in turn, of course, were leaking it to the McCanns and to their team of lawyers and PR advisers.
Then we are asked to believe that Aragao Correia only decided to contact Método 3 after he had finally located the Arade Dam as the one which matched his ‘vision’. The claim that he only contacted Método 3 after visiting the Arada Dam must be put alongside his admission that he had been paid ‘expenses’ for searching the Arade Dam by Método 3, after he had earlier claimed that he had been funding the search out of the charitable goodness of his own heart. It would not be unreasonable to suggest that Aragao Correia was in bed with Método 3 and their employers well before the searching of the Arade dam and that the Arade dam searches were a well-rehearsed attempt to divert attention away from the McCanns and on to the possibility that Madeleine had been snatched by a predatory paedophile. It was the discovery of items that might belong to Madeleine in the Arade Dam that was, quite unbeleiveably, hailed by the McCanns as ‘fantastic news’.
and lastly......
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 24, 2016, 08:57:12 PM
Aragao Correia takes up his story: “Two detectives [from Método 3] met with me and told me that they had already received thousands of leads, but that mine was corroborated by a physical case that they had already established. It involved a Portuguese truck driver, M. Gautier, who only two days after the disappearance of Madeleine, at around 4pm to 5pm, while driving down the IC1 road, near the Arade Dam, saw two cars parked by the road, an Audi A3 that was driven by a man - and a green car (of a very unusual green) that was driven by a blonde woman. The two vehicles were separated by a small metallic fence, and while driving by in his truck, the driver saw what seemed like an inanimate child to him, being passed from one car to another, wrapped up in a blanket”.
Continued...
Aragao Correia claims, then, that Método 3 had a credible report of a child in a blanket being passed from one car to another on Saturday 5 May in the afternoon - two days after Madeleine ‘disappeared’. He goes into detail, claiming that Método 3 had established from M. Gautier, the Portuguese truck driver, that he “knew the blanket contained a child by the manner in which the body stood out from the blanket. The bent legs and small dimensions made him conclude, without hesitation, that it was a child. On the other hand, the extremely protective way in which the couple held the blanket, on a hot day, was suspicious”. He adds the claim that M. Gautier contacted the police the very same day - Saturday 5 May. Correia says: “I spoke to M. Gautier myself. He told me that the PJ had ridiculed him as soon as he called them, on the very same day that he had witnessed the body being transferred from car to car near the metal fence”.
“It was all extremely strange”, continues Aragao Correia, “and because of that, in November, the truck driver reported everything to the detectives at Método 3”.
Let’s pause there. November? Six whole months after Madeleine went missing. Are we to take seriously the claim that this Portuguese truck driver, M. Gautier, waited for six whole months to contact Método 3, and tell them about the child being passed from one car to another - one of them a vivid green?
Correia continued: “Método 3 detectives showed M. Gautier the photos of some of the main suspects in the disappearance of Maddie, and found some physiognomic similarities with at least two of them. The PJ were given this lead once again in November, but discarded it once again, after analysing the triangulation points from the suspicious couple’s mobile phones, and after questioning the owners of a plot of land on that plot. The PJ committed a gross mistake by investigating only that suspect and his girlfriend. The truck driver said that he couldn’t be certain that it was that precise suspect, but rather that it was a person with similar physiognomic features, mainly in terms of body mass”.
So what are we left with here? A truck driver, M. Gautier, says he saw a ‘suspect’ with a similar body shape and body mass to two ‘suspects’ apparently identified by Método 3. A truck driver, moreover, who waits six months after he says he first reported this to the PJ, to contact Método 3. It all sounds hugely unlikely. And as it is Aragao Correia telling the story, we can probably dismiss this whole account as a fabrication.
And if all that sounds unlikely, what can we make of the next part of Aragao Correia’s account? He said: “Método 3 submitted me to a test in order to prove beyond all doubt whether or not my medium abilities and my accounts were credible. They were fed up with following false leads. The fact is that the test gave totally positive results, according to what was confirmed to me personally by the Director of Método 3 in Barcelona herself. Following my medium abilties passing Método 3’s stringest tests, Método 3 offered full support to my research. But given the fact that Maddie’s parents preferred to spend the decreasing money from the Helping to Find Madeleine Fund mainly following leads based on the belief that their daughter was still alive, they dismissed the possibility of paying professional divers to search the dam. So I offered myself to pay for the first phase of the searches in the dam, having later received much support, including financial support, from mediums and spiritualists who believed in and corroborated my theory”.
Well, what can we take from that account? We are left in amazement at the nature of the ‘stringent test’ that Método 3 could have devised to ‘prove’ Mr Correia’s mediumistic abilities. And now we have yet another story on who paid for those expensive dam searches. First, Correia told us he had generously funded the searches himself, out of the goodness of of his heart, then we were told that Método 3 had ‘helped him with expenses’. Now we get a third version, namely: “I was given money by a group of mediums and spiritualists who corroborated my theory”.
Correia then returns to the dam searches and tells the journalist: “The dam searches found items of relevance, but these were not sufficient as evidence. Maybe I made some mistakes, which might have alerted the possible abductors of the little English girl: On 11th January, before the diving in the dam started, Lux magazine published my suspicions in a front page article. Yet it was almost two months later that the searches were started at the dam. That was more than enough time for the criminals to hide any incriminating residues. Nevertheless, we discovered a girl’s sock that was Maddie’s age. I believe the sock might have been used by Maddie, although the lab tests failed to detect any human residues, due to the fact that it stayed underwater for such a long time. We also found several knotted lengths of rope, over five metres [16 feet] long, which would have been ideal to tie up the body at the bottom of the dam. All of this was recovered by the divers in an area where there was no other rubbish. Método 3 were always closely involved in the searches, monitoring them closely, and took all of those objects back to Spain for examination”.
The journalist then asks Correia to comment on the PJ investigation. he answered: “The information that I received as a medium didn’t allow for me to understand what the criminal’s motivation was. But information that I obtained later on - especially from consulting an excellent book by criminologist Barra da Costa - led me to believe the theory, admitted by the former PJ Chief Inspector, that the police weren’t interested in finding Maddie nor in catching the real culprits over her disappearance. Dr Barra da Costa said in his book that there was something like a tacit plan to induce a general sense of insecurity across society, to allow for the micro-chip (a device implanted in human beings that gives out signals to track down where they are) to be produced on a major scale. At the beginning I had some reservations concerning that issue, because I had never heard about it, but I was interested careful enough to go on the internet and to consult several credible websites, including FBI and CIA sources, where I found some amazing things: the micro-chip was indeed being promoted as the ideal weapon to prevent crime. These sources added that the population should be induced into accepting this technological revolution, even if at the cost of deliberately promoting mass insecurity policies. Well, the Maddie case fell like ‘manna from heaven’ for the promotion of the microchip, especially as far as children are concerned”.
And on that interesting note, the interview with Correia ends.
SOURCES
Good Quality Wristbnands
Joana Morais. Portuguese blogger who writes in English, the best informed and least excitable blog dedicated in the main to the dissaperance of Madeleine McCann.
mccannfiles.com (Nigel Moore) The definitive archive for all things McCann.
gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk Web site of Pamalam, another great source for articles photo '
The End.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: jassi on December 24, 2016, 09:09:08 PM
Wow, that's a lot of post and should definitely put you ahead of Brietta for the 2016 Cut & Paste Challenge Cup 8)--))
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 24, 2016, 09:10:54 PM
There's a rule on this forum that statements of fact should be supported by cites. Matters of opinion need not be supported by cites. I think that's right...? &%+((£
It does so too. You have however ignored my question or chosen not to answer it.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 24, 2016, 10:38:07 PM
Thanks for confirming that in your opinion there is no evidence to support the statement...Stephen will be pleased There should and would be some evidence of what Stephen is saying is a confirmed fact... it isn't so there isn't Thank you for your contribution it's been most helpful to my argument
If it happened there will be no written record of it for two reasons that spring to mind immediately. So far three supporters are not sufficiciently well informed to define what those reasons are............... &%+((£
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on December 24, 2016, 10:39:23 PM
You would have expected Correia to have denied it?
Deny what? He was investigating the methodology used by Amaral & his team in the questioning & convictions in the Cipriano case. Any more than that is speculation as the final decision in the alleged torture trial was made by a judge not a lawyer. Besides, Amaral was already of the opinion GM had scuppered his political ambitions yet there was never any proof of that either.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alfie on December 24, 2016, 11:43:57 PM
Unfortunately the BO is beyond some people, and has to be denied regardless by those close to the McCann camp.
There will be the inevitable inane response.
However, Blacksmith's analysis of those who act on behalf of the Mccann's remains very apt, the tiers of drivel, from those on Twitter up to the Mccann's themselves.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on December 26, 2016, 12:48:32 AM
Cipriano is still in jail on a conviction of murder, with an extended sentence for lying.
Have you read through the material and quotes from Correia on Saturday night, including his attempt to accuse Amaral of organizing torture. Quite how Correia with his record has escaped prosecution is beyond me. In the UK he would certainly have.
Amaral's case against Correia, proved exactly how difficult it is to prove libel in Portugal.
Then we await the decision form the Portuguese Supreme Court..............
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 26, 2016, 09:20:18 AM
Unfortunately the BO is beyond some people, and has to be denied regardless by those close to the McCann camp.
You are stating nothing more than your very short sighted biased opinion .... as usual You have provided no evidence of a campaign against amaral in fact you long post is evidence of a campaign to discredit Arageo This after your claim that Gerry pulled in favours re his involvement with Comare...and you were unable to provide a cite there More rubbish from you and again when asked were pathetically unable to provide a cite
What gives me satisfaction is how bereft of any real information you are and you being a leading sceptic You seem to be discrediting the sceptic cause
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on December 26, 2016, 10:16:01 AM
It is self evident what his connection was to Metodo3 and the Mccanns. He admitted it. Read the quotes which came from him.
Can you remind me of what Correia said when he gloated over a court victory over Amaral ?
So what?
He has a right to work for anyone. Who are you to decide who he should, or should not, work for?
He was a very young Lawyer when he took these mighty cases on ... and was probably chosen by the Lawyers Association because he was good, compassionate and .... wasn't aware of the strange death (?by accident?) of a Lawyer, and the serious injuries to another Lawyer, both of whom had the temerity to take on the PJ after the Michael Cook injustices.
Michael Cook injustices as outlined in the British Parliament http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199293/cmhansrd/1992-06-09/Debate-20.html
... many people questioned why this Lawyers car met with an ?accident? in the mountains
To remind you, Marcos Aragao Correia won all three times he took Amaral on. Is that why you have it in for him so much ?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 26, 2016, 10:26:48 AM
He has a right to work for anyone. Who are you to decide who he should, or should not, work for?
He was a very young Lawyer when he took these mighty cases on ... and was probably chosen by the Lawyers Association because he was good, compassionate and .... wasn't aware of the strange death (?by accident?) of a Lawyer, and the serious injuries to another Lawyer, both of whom had the temerity to take on the PJ after the Michael Cook injustices.
Michael Cook injustices as outlined in the British Parliament http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199293/cmhansrd/1992-06-09/Debate-20.html
... many people questioned why this Lawyers car met with an ?accident? in the mountains
To remind you, Marcos Aragao Correia won all three times he took Amaral on. Is that why you have it in for him so much ?
I have merely pointed out that he is duplicitous.
He was clearly engaged by Metodo3 to go after Amaral.
I would question the honesty of any person who denies it, as I have supplied quotes from Correia himself, confirming that.
You were quite happy he was engaged to go after Amaral Sadie, so attacking me questioning him, is really rank hypocrisy.
he was also trying to make a deal with other police officers, to get them to give evidence that Amaral organized 'torture'.
Can you explain to me, as that was a complete lie, among others, why he hasn't been prosecuted for trying to subvert the law ?
meanwhile he has disappeared back into the obscurity he came from
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 26, 2016, 11:36:48 AM
Several cited and direct quotations have been provided from Marcos Correia, stating precisely what he was doing and his relationship to Metodo3, and the involvement with the Mccann and Cipriano case.
Other than insanity, of course, there is another possibility, as to why someone would deny the truth.
That would be of course acting directly on behalf of the McCann's.
Remembering of course, what Mrs. Mccann admitted at Leveson.
Cue once again the inevitable reply.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on December 26, 2016, 11:52:42 AM
Several cited and direct quotations have been provided from Marcos Correia, stating precisely what he was doing and his relationship to Metodo3, and the involvement with the Mccann and Cipriano case.
Other than insanity, of course, there is another possibility, as to why someone would deny the truth.
That would be of course acting directly on behalf of the McCann's.
Remembering of course, what Mrs. Mccann admitted at Leveson.
Cue once again the inevitable reply.
Do you think Amaral was convicted for falsifying documents in the Cipriano case because of, or in spite of, th involvement of Correia in the prosecution case?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 26, 2016, 11:59:13 AM
Do you think Amaral was convicted for falsifying documents in the Cipriano case because of, or in spite of, th involvement of Correia in the prosecution case?
Did I say he wasn't ?
Are you denying that Correia was going after Amaral with instructions from Metodo3, who employed him, and of course Correia's involvement with the Mccann and Cipriano cases ?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: slartibartfast on December 26, 2016, 12:01:22 PM
Do you think Amaral was convicted for falsifying documents in the Cipriano case because of, or in spite of, th involvement of Correia in the prosecution case?
It was the only charge they had any proof of?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on December 26, 2016, 12:11:17 PM
Are you denying that Correia was going after Amaral with instructions from Metodo3, who employed him, and of course Correia's involvement with the Mccann and Cipriano cases ?
Do you have proof that Correia was "going after Amaral" rather than gaining some inside knowledge of the methodology used by him in convicting Leonor? Of course you don't. Amaral was facing prosecution for his own actions in the torture of Leonor. Amaral discredited himself.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on December 26, 2016, 12:13:30 PM
Do you have proof that Correia was "going after Amaral" rather than gaining some inside knowledge of the methodology used by him in convicting Leonor? Of course you don't. Amaral was facing prosecution for his own actions in the torture of Leonor. Amaral discredited himself.
He admitted it himself.
What of the lies and attempts by Correia to subvert justice, by Correia accusing Amaral directly of torture ?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on December 26, 2016, 03:33:52 PM
He has a right to work for anyone. Who are you to decide who he should, or should not, work for?
He was a very young Lawyer when he took these mighty cases on ... and was probably chosen by the Lawyers Association because he was good, compassionate and .... wasn't aware of the strange death (?by accident?) of a Lawyer, and the serious injuries to another Lawyer, both of whom had the temerity to take on the PJ after the Michael Cook injustices.
Michael Cook injustices as outlined in the British Parliament http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199293/cmhansrd/1992-06-09/Debate-20.html
... many people questioned why this Lawyers car met with an ?accident? in the mountains
To remind you, Marcos Aragao Correia won all three times he took Amaral on. Is that why you have it in for him so much ?
Your link shows the difference between claims alleged by Michael Cook and what the FCO actually found on numerous occasions when they visited him.
8((()*/
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 26, 2016, 04:29:44 PM
He has already discredited himself, many times over.
You still don't get it, do you.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 27, 2016, 06:47:13 AM
Could we get this straight
On topic no evidence had been given support the claim of a campaign to discredit amaral It is mere supposition
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on December 27, 2016, 02:26:03 PM
Amaral was indicted on the day Madeleine went missing & long before Correia was ever on the scene. Clearly the Portuguese AG had enough evidence to proceed with a case well before any supposed attempts were made to discredit him further.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on December 27, 2016, 02:58:16 PM
It is a very true saying that there is no smoke without fire. The events which have been documented in some detail in this thread if taken at their highest potentially amount to a conspiracy to defeat the ends of justice. The allegations are serious enough to warrant some sort of independent inquiry involving Portugal, Spain and the UK. It could be that such an Inquiry could follow on from the Portuguese Supreme Court ruling due any day now. These issues must be investigated thoroughly and if it is found that any person or persons did intentionally set out to pervert the course of justice then they must face the full consequences of their actions and are dealt with appropriately..
Marcos Correia is central to this investigation, he alone connects Amaral with Método 3, Kennedy and the McCanns. It must be established who was deciding strategy, giving the orders, who was paying who and what was the real agenda?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Eleanor on December 27, 2016, 05:32:39 PM
It is a very true saying that there is no smoke without fire. The events which have been documented in some detail in this thread if taken at their highest potentially amount to a conspiracy to defeat the ends of justice. The allegations are serious enough to warrant some sort of independent inquiry involving Portugal, Spain and the UK. It could be that such an Inquiry could follow on from the Portuguese Supreme Court ruling due any day now. These issues must be investigated thoroughly and if it is found that any person or persons did intentionally set out to pervert the course of justice then they must face the full consequences of their actions and are dealt with appropriately..
Marcos Correia is central to this investigation, he alone connects Amaral with Método 3, Kennedy and the McCanns. It must be established who was deciding strategy, giving the orders, who was paying who and what was the real agenda?
Goncalo Amaral is a convicted criminal. He did endeavour to pervert the cause of justice, and well before Madeleine McCann went missing.
You can all call it whatever you like, but he was already a corrupted policeman, and should never have been allowed to be involved in the case of another missing child.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Angelo222 on December 27, 2016, 05:39:57 PM
Goncalo Amaral is a convicted criminal. He did endeavour to pervert the cause of justice, and well before Madeleine McCann went missing.
You can all call it whatever you like, but he was already a corrupted policeman, and should never have been allowed to be involved in the case of another missing child.
Goncalo Amaral was the officer in charge and according to at least two Portuguese lawyers an attempt was made by Correia to subvert and undermine that authority. That is the issue here, who brought Correia in and what was his brief?
Spanish detective agency Metodo 3 didn't just decide to get involved with Correia and Cipriano for the love of them. Someone had to have approached the Spaniards and given them specific orders to get Amaral.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: G-Unit on December 27, 2016, 06:00:09 PM
Goncalo Amaral is a convicted criminal. He did endeavour to pervert the cause of justice, and well before Madeleine McCann went missing.
You can all call it whatever you like, but he was already a corrupted policeman, and should never have been allowed to be involved in the case of another missing child.
Amaral, Amaral, Amaral, the gift that keeps on giving. How fortunate that he existed. He made a mistake abd cab therefore be blamed for everything.
Of course he wasn't working in isolation, he was part of a team whose work and conclusions were overseen by Encarnacao and the prosecutor's office, so whatever he thought and whatever he wanted to do could only be achieved with their agreement and permission.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Eleanor on December 27, 2016, 06:10:28 PM
Goncalo Amaral was the officer in charge and according to at least two Portuguese lawyers an attempt was made by Correia to subvert and undermine that authority. That is the issue here, who brought Correia in and what was his brief?
Spanish detective agency Metodo 3 didn't just decide to get involved with Correia and Cipriano for the love of them. Someone had to have approached the Spaniards and given them specific orders to get Amaral.
So what happened first? Amaral attempted to pervert the course of justice long before Madeleine McCann ever went missing.
This was seriously a bad one. That man should never have been anywhere near The McCann Affair. Or do you think that any old corrupt policeman will do in the absence of anyone better?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 27, 2016, 06:28:15 PM
So what happened first? Amaral attempted to pervert the course of justice long before Madeleine McCann ever went missing.
This was seriously a bad one. That man should never have been anywhere near The McCann Affair. Or do you think that any old corrupt policeman will do in the absence of anyone better?
How did he pervert the course of justice ?
They had already confessed.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Eleanor on December 27, 2016, 06:30:43 PM
Amaral, Amaral, Amaral, the gift that keeps on giving. How fortunate that he existed. He made a mistake abd cab therefore be blamed for everything.
Of course he wasn't working in isolation, he was part of a team whose work and conclusions were overseen by Encarnacao and the prosecutor's office, so whatever he thought and whatever he wanted to do could only be achieved with their agreement and permission.
He wrote The Book our kid. That was the real problem. He wrote the book on his findings. He said that this was as it was. Have you found any of the others of his team to be saying the same thing? I don't think so. Not one of them.
The man is quite dreadful. He was looking for absolution for his complete cock up in the Cipriano case. And he saw the disappearance of Madeleine McCann as a chance to recover his credibility. Sadly, he appears to have done so. At least for some of you.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 27, 2016, 06:32:43 PM
He wrote The Book our kid. That was the real problem. He wrote the book on his findings. He said that this was as it was. Have you found any of the others of his team to be saying the same thing? I don't think so. Not one of them.
The man is quite dreadful. He was looking for absolution for his complete cock up in the Cipriano case. And he saw the disappearance of Madeleine McCann as a chance to recover his credibility. Sadly, he appears to have done so. At least for some of you.
No the Cipriano court case, brought the correct verdict.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: slartibartfast on December 27, 2016, 06:34:33 PM
It is a very true saying that there is no smoke without fire. The events which have been documented in some detail in this thread if taken at their highest potentially amount to a conspiracy to defeat the ends of justice. The allegations are serious enough to warrant some sort of independent inquiry involving Portugal, Spain and the UK. It could be that such an Inquiry could follow on from the Portuguese Supreme Court ruling due any day now. These issues must be investigated thoroughly and if it is found that any person or persons did intentionally set out to pervert the course of justice then they must face the full consequences of their actions and are dealt with appropriately..
Marcos Correia is central to this investigation, he alone connects Amaral with Método 3, Kennedy and the McCanns. It must be established who was deciding strategy, giving the orders, who was paying who and what was the real agenda?
I wonder if you have a real grasp of the situation John?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on December 27, 2016, 07:51:34 PM
I wonder if you have a real grasp of the situation John?
Yes, I have a very extensive grasp of the situation Sadie and as someone succinctly put it earlier, if it looks like a duck, waddles and quacks like a duck then it most probably is a duck.
We know what Marcos Correia did, when he did it and what the outcome was. The only missing part is why he did it, who paid him to do it and why
My own view is that there is a case to answer here, the only question is who should be in the dock?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on December 27, 2016, 08:16:04 PM
I am only going to issue this warning once.
Some leeway and tolerance has been afforded recently but this should not be taken as a licence to post falsehoods or inaccuracies in relation to previously recorded events.
This forum prides itself on being fact based thus every effort is made to ensure and maintain the credibiity and accuracy of content. This is an ongoing process with every thread being checked regularly for posts which fall short of this requirement. Unfortunately, some posts do slip through the editorial net and that is why we have the reporting system, please use it if necessary.
Please do not post speculations and/or opinion as if it were fact.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on December 27, 2016, 09:26:35 PM
And it only needed one wavering Judge to change his mind a little then it would have been a minority of one out of three, and Leonor with Joao would have been absolved from all the nasty accusations,..
The one judge was reported, at the time, to be very disturbed by the result of the trial.
He could see failings, with NO actual evidence presented ... even if some of you, for inexplicable reasons, cannot
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 27, 2016, 09:32:24 PM
And it only needed one wavering Judge to change his mind a little then it would have been a minority of one out of three, and Leonor with Joao would have been absolved from all the nasty accusations,..
The one judge was reported, at the time, to be very disturbed by the result of the trial.
He could see failings, with NO actual evidence presented ... even if some of you, for inexplicable reasons, cannot
They had confessed, before the 'torture'.
What do you fail to comprehend in that ?
Cipriano's story of what happened kept changing, therefore demonstrating she was a liar, and her sentence was increased.
End of.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on December 27, 2016, 09:39:22 PM
And it only needed one wavering Judge to change his mind a little then it would have been a minority of one out of three, and Leonor with Joao would have been absolved from all the nasty accusations,..
The one judge was reported, at the time, to be very disturbed by the result of the trial.
He could see failings, with NO actual evidence presented ... even if some of you, for inexplicable reasons, cannot
Reference my previous post. There was evidence in the Cipriano case. Also I take it you viewed the reconstruction video starring convicted killer Joao Cipriano?
I must say having read over the various reports yet again that there appears to be some uncertainty even now as to how many beatings Leonor received, by whom and where.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on December 28, 2016, 12:14:57 AM
For certain people ignorance of the facts is a bye-word in their defense of the McCann's.
The Ciprianos had confessed prior to the so called 'torture'.
Yet some would like to state night is day, no matter what.
One of the three judges found her not guilty so it is not unreasonable for anyone here to question the verdict That is a fact You accuse others of ignorance whereas I would say it is you who is ignorant of the facts
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 28, 2016, 08:28:38 AM
More toys being thrown out of the pram.
Now there's a surprise.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Angelo222 on December 28, 2016, 11:11:34 AM
There is a board dedicated to the Cipriano case so I don't propose to add further here other than to add that both Leonor and John Cipriano confessed to the killing of Joanna both prior to and some years after their trial. The assaults they sustained during the early days of the investigation have no relevance to those confessions.
They were both tried in a court of law and found guilty of murder. Their appeals were subsequently denied.
As for Correia, the subject of this topic, he is keeping his head down in his native Madeira.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2016, 11:36:08 AM
There is a board dedicated to the Cipriano case so I don't propose to add further here other than to add that both Leonor and John Cipriano confessed to the killing of Joanna both prior to and some years after their trial. The assaults they sustained during the early days of the investigation have no relevance to those confessions.
They were both tried in a court of law and found guilty of murder. Their appeals were subsequently denied.
As for Correia, the subject of this topic, he is keeping his head down in his native Madeira.
Convicted on a 2 to one majority so there is certainly room to question the verdict
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: jassi on December 28, 2016, 11:46:23 AM
You can't always expect a 3-nil result. That's why they have an uneven number of judges - to allow for disagreement.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on December 28, 2016, 12:09:28 PM
So what happened first? Amaral attempted to pervert the course of justice long before Madeleine McCann ever went missing.
This was seriously a bad one. That man should never have been anywhere near The McCann Affair. Or do you think that any old corrupt policeman will do in the absence of anyone better?
We have proof that Amaral attempted to pervert the course of justice long before Madeleine went missing. He was proven in court to have falsified documents presented to the Courts at Leonors trial. These were to do with the torture of Leonor Cipriano, and could have affected the outcome of Leonor and Joaos trial. He was given an 18 month suspended sentence.
He committed the crime in 2005 and later was actually made an arguido for that crime on the very day that Madeleine went missing.
This was a seriously bad crime as Eleanor points out
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 28, 2016, 12:44:23 PM
We have proof that Amaral attempted to pervert the course of justice long before Madeleine went missing. He was proven in court to have falsified documents presented to the Courts at Leonors trial. These were to do with the torture of Leonor Cipriano, and could have affected the outcome of Leonor and Joaos trial. He was given an 18 month suspended sentence.
He committed the crime in 2005 and later was actually made an arguido for that crime on the very day that Madeleine went missing.
This was a seriously bad crime as Eleanor points out
Murdering children is a seriously bad crime.
They confessed before the trial and the alleged 'torture'.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: sadie on December 28, 2016, 12:49:42 PM
There is a board dedicated to the Cipriano case so I don't propose to add further here other than to add that both Leonor and John Cipriano confessed to the killing of Joanna both prior to and some years after their trial. The assaults they sustained during the early days of the investigation have no relevance to those confessions.
They were both tried in a court of law and found guilty of murder. Their appeals were subsequently denied.
As for Correia, the subject of this topic, he is keeping his head down in his native Madeira.
And who can blame him if he is.
As you know I spent some time with Marcos. He was upset because his mother had been threatened ... and he himself had found empty cartridge shells on his balcony. And, of course, he was badly roughed up by thugs at Amarals infamous birthday party. He is a giant of a man ... and they tried to pull him thru the window of his car
He only mentioned these things after I had mentioned how a shot had been fired at my car as we drove at 70mph along the motorway. Seems it was aimed at the nearside tyre, because it hit the bumper immediately above the tyre. There is an official police report filed on this. The shot came from a passing car.
Until I told Marcos, he didn't know about the two Lawyers, one of whom lost his life and the other was seriously injured in an accident in the mountains. These lawyers had been investigating the (?Faro) PJ and injustices of the Michael Cook case and reputedly had found some substantial evidence against the PJ which they intended to present to Court. There was much talk at the time that the 'accident' was no accident ... but sabotage of their car
Marcos was too young and hadn't heard about this awful 'accident' ... but what I said must have troubled him. Especially as he was already aware of the brutality and lawlessness of some of the PJ.
Then there was Amarals golden bullet. One of Marcos Aragao Correias clients was a man whose wife, Ana, had had a much regretted affair with Amaral. This man was threatened by Amaral with a Golden Bullet and veiled threats were made against the couples child
Amaral is not a nice man. Full stop.
It can be a dangerous business going against some of these awful people. At least I have Police protection; they also know names and facts.
More difficult for a person in Madeira (PT) to get Police protection against the Police there, I would think
Who can blame him for lying low and enjoying life with his Brazilian wife and his young family ?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: stephen25000 on December 28, 2016, 01:06:44 PM
There is a board dedicated to the Cipriano case so I don't propose to add further here other than to add that both Leonor and John Cipriano confessed to the killing of Joanna both prior to and some years after their trial. The assaults they sustained during the early days of the investigation have no relevance to those confessions.
They were both tried in a court of law and found guilty of murder. Their appeals were subsequently denied.
As for Correia, the subject of this topic, he is keeping his head down in his native Madeira.
That in essence Angelo sums up the situation precisely.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2016, 01:07:54 PM
They confessed before the trial and the alleged 'torture'.
Mirdering children is a bad crime but I don't think the ciprianos are murderers I think they are innocent and so did one of the judges who heard all the evidence The torture is not alleged it has been proven Amaral and the PJ lied saying Leonor fell down the stairs It was proven she didnt
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 28, 2016, 01:33:50 PM
There is a simple truth here.
The Cipriano convictions stand.
The appeals failed.
What some clearly biased McCann supporters think on that is of no relevance whatsoever.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2016, 01:40:41 PM
We have proof that Amaral attempted to pervert the course of justice long before Madeleine went missing. He was proven in court to have falsified documents presented to the Courts at Leonors trial. These were to do with the torture of Leonor Cipriano, and could have affected the outcome of Leonor and Joaos trial. He was given an 18 month suspended sentence.
He committed the crime in 2005 and later was actually made an arguido for that crime on the very day that Madeleine went missing.
This was a seriously bad crime as Eleanor points out
Please provide cites that the falsified documents were to do with the torture.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2016, 03:42:57 PM
His criminal conviction was for falsifying a report Are you really not aware of that
I am well aware of that, he was also found not guilty of failing to denounce torture which puts a different slant on things. Therefore suggesting any link between GA and the "torture" is libel. Clear?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on December 28, 2016, 10:52:58 PM
I am well aware of that, he was also found not guilty of failing to denounce torture which puts a different slant on things. Therefore suggesting any link between GA and the "torture" is libel. Clear?
So YOU, Slarti, unilaterally, have decreed that Amaral had nothing to do with the tortuire ?
Despite the fact that - he was criminalized for telling lies about it - he ran the team that did the torture - he tried to come to an arrangement with the brave Dr Ana, director of Leonors jail that she would agree that the bruises were caused by her other prisoners setting on Leonor
Dont try and deny these things. They happened under his command. We dont know for certain whether he personally was involved in the torture or trying to make the arrangement ... but he was in charge and he carries the can. And we do know that he told lies to the court about his officers and the torture
If you persist in trying to make out that Amaral had no links with the torture, Slarti, you will become the laughing stock of the internet
... and people "in the know" might begin to wonder if you are part of some Brotherhood of which Amaral is also a member
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 29, 2016, 12:47:10 AM
I am well aware of that, he was also found not guilty of failing to denounce torture which puts a different slant on things. Therefore suggesting any link between GA and the "torture" is libel. Clear?
By falsifying a document By claiming she fell down the stairs As a law enforcement officer he is obliged to take action re a crime
Title: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on December 29, 2016, 01:18:29 AM
So YOU, Slarti, unilaterally, have decreed that Amaral had nothing to do with the tortuire ?
Despite the fact that - he was criminalized for telling lies about it - he ran the team that did the torture - he tried to come to an arrangement with the brave Dr Ana, director of Leonors jail that she would agree that the bruises were caused by her other prisoners setting on Leonor
Dont try and deny these things. They happened under his command. We dont know for certain whether he personally was involved in the torture or trying to make the arrangement ... but he was in charge and he carries the can. And we do know that he told lies to the court about his officers and the torture
If you persist in trying to make out that Amaral had no links with the torture, Slarti, you will become the laughing stock of the internet
... and people "in the know" might begin to wonder if you are part of some Brotherhood of which Amaral is also a member
You are sailing too close to the wind unless you can provide cites for most of this.
Amaral has a record for perjury. The rest is speculation.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 29, 2016, 01:53:45 AM
You are sailing too close to the wind unless you can provide cites for most of this.
Amaral has a record for perjury. The rest is speculation.
Amaral had a thesis that Maddie died in the apartment and the parents covered up the death I have a theory that amaral knew far more about the torture than he has admitted
Title: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on December 29, 2016, 02:47:46 AM
Amaral had a thesis that Maddie died in the apartment and the parents covered up the death I have a theory that amaral knew far more about the torture than he has admitted
I have no issue about you having a theory, or an opinion.
I do have an issue about stating a theory or opinion as fact.
To be crystal clear, the current exchange did not start with (or continue with) you stating a theory or opinion as fact, so I see no problem with it.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: slartibartfast on December 29, 2016, 08:02:08 AM
I have no issue about you having a theory, or an opinion.
I do have an issue about stating a theory or opinion as fact.
To be crystal clear, the current exchange did not start with (or continue with) you stating a theory or opinion as fact, so I see no problem with it.
It seems someone else had a problem with me posting my opinion I find that quite interesting when the same people claim the mccanns silence anyone who disagrees with them I love exposing hypocrisy
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 29, 2016, 08:05:49 AM
...and if the court had thought it proved he had known about the "torture" then he would have been found guilty of failure to denounce.
Just because it cannot be proved in court doesn't mean it isn't true Am I allowed to state my option or is censorship alive and well here from people such as yourself
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: slartibartfast on December 29, 2016, 08:09:59 AM
Just because it cannot be proved in court doesn't mean it isn't true Am I allowed to state my option or is censorship alive and well here from people such as yourself
It tends to mean it is libel.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 29, 2016, 08:11:38 AM
Not really Should have been removed in the first place Perhaps that would be a wise move And explain to her that personal attacks on fellow posters are not permitted
Let's not get into degrees of personal attacks. Back on topic please.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on December 29, 2016, 01:11:38 PM
After the trial of several PJ officers which saw Gonçalo Amaral found guilty of failing to report, Leonor Cipriano's lawyer, Marcos Aragão Correia, said: "Target was hit, Gonçalo Amaral was convicted".
Need we say any more?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 29, 2016, 01:15:49 PM
After the trial of several PJ officers which saw Gonçalo Amaral found guilty of failing to report, Leonor Cipriano's lawyer, Marcos Aragão Correia, said: "Target was hit, Gonçalo Amaral was convicted".
Need we say any more?
Thank you John for that.
That was the quote I was looking for, from Correia. 8((()*/
Now let's see the inevitable denials.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 29, 2016, 01:20:56 PM
After the trial of several PJ officers which saw Gonçalo Amaral found guilty of failing to report, Leonor Cipriano's lawyer, Marcos Aragão Correia, said: "Target was hit, Gonçalo Amaral was convicted".
Need we say any more?
Could we have a cite for the source of this quote
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 29, 2016, 01:22:14 PM
After the trial of several PJ officers which saw Gonçalo Amaral found guilty of failing to report, Leonor Cipriano's lawyer, Marcos Aragão Correia, said: "Target was hit, Gonçalo Amaral was convicted".
Need we say any more?
Yes John you need to say a lot more Like what evidence do you have that this was ever said I believe it's total tosh and there is still no evidence for any campaign
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 29, 2016, 02:47:31 PM
So back to square one No evidence to support the OT
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: ferryman on December 29, 2016, 06:14:47 PM
Clearly the Joana Cipriano case and the Madeleine McCann case had much in common but coincidentally the same Portuguese detective was tasked with coordinating both disappearances, that detective was Dr Gonçalo Amaral.
Spanish private investigators Método 3, based in Barcelona, were tasked with finding Madeleine McCann but it appears that their brief extended much further.
We look at who said what and when.
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Well, one claim common to both cases was that of 'human remains hidden in a fridge'.
At least, in the Joana Cipriano case, the fridge alleged to hold human remains was actually identified ....
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2016, 01:01:23 AM
What we do know is that Arsgeo wrote a paper claiming that Ciprianos was tortured by the PJ in order to extract a confession Amaral sued and lost So the court accepted torture was used to extract a confession I don't have access to a pic at the moment so apologies I cannot provide a cite But will on my return to the uk
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on December 30, 2016, 01:08:57 AM
What we do know is that Arsgeo wrote a paper claiming that Ciprianos was tortured by the PJ in order to extract a confession Amaral sued and lost So the court accepted torture was used to extract a confession I don't have access to a pic at the moment so apologies I cannot provide a cite But will on my return to the uk
The Ciprianos and Silva were roughed up in an attempt to find out where the missing child was, it had nothing to do with any confession. Both John Cipriano and his sister Leandro independenly admitted their involvement in the child's fate long before the assaults. For the record, Leonor now puts the blame firmly at John's door but then she has uttered so many versions of what happened that it is hard to take her seriously.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2016, 01:12:19 AM
The Ciprianos and Silva were roughed up in an attempt to find out where the missing child was, it had nothing to do with any confession.
According to the paper by arageo it did Amaral sued and lost so it follows that the court accepted the torture If you want us to accept your post re arageo you need to provide a x Cite reliable his remark Target hit I think this statement is another myth
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2016, 01:27:37 AM
Correia ...
''Target was hit.Goncarlo Amaral was convicted''.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on December 30, 2016, 01:31:28 AM
Has anyone considered that comment (if it was made) was in connection with Correia's own situation & his 500,000euro personal claim, plus the same amount for Leandro, against Amaral?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2016, 01:35:33 AM
Has anyone considered that comment (if it was made) was in connection with Correia's own situation & his 500,000euro personal claim, plus the same amount for Leandro, against Amaral?
So what financial claim did Correia or Leandro win from Amaral ?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2016, 01:37:58 AM
Has anyone considered that comment (if it was made) was in connection with Correia's own situation & his 500,000euro personal claim, plus the same amount for Leandro, against Amaral?
No cite no context no use And no support for the OT which remains speculation
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2016, 01:42:14 AM
Incorrect.
You are disrupting the thread and goading posters by implying they are not following the forum rules, including the owner of the forum.
Please desist.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2016, 01:45:22 AM
There has been no cite for the quote by John Please shut up or provide one
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2016, 01:54:07 AM
The quote by John comes from a blog by a very biased amaral supporter It gives no indication when it was said or any reference to the source of the quote It therefore has zero provenance It is basically gossip
Title: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2016, 01:54:20 AM
The quote by John comes from a blog by a very biased amaral supporter It gives no indication when it was said or any reference to the source of the quote It therefore has zero provenance
Read again.
It was said at the end of the trial.
IMHO, you continue to make yourself look foolish by these denials.
Title: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2016, 01:56:47 AM
The Ciprianos and Silva were roughed up in an attempt to find out where the missing child was, it had nothing to do with any confession. Both John Cipriano and his sister Leandro independenly admitted their involvement in the child's fate long before the assaults. For the record, Leonor now puts the blame firmly at John's door but then she has uttered so many versions of what happened that it is hard to take her seriously.
Confessions by suspects with low IQ are notoriously unreliable Based on everything I have read about the case and the fact that one of the three judges found her not guilty I think there is a very strong chance of a miscarriage of justce
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on December 30, 2016, 02:25:57 AM
IMHO, you continue to make yourself look foolish by these denials.
That's correct. Correia went on live TV outside the court after Amaral had been sentenced and stated "The target has been hit - Gonçalo Amaral has been convicted".
Any further disruption of this thread will have consequences!
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2016, 03:05:26 AM
That's correct. Correia went on live TV outside the court after Amaral had been sentenced and stated "The target has been hit - Gonçalo Amaral has been convicted".
Any further disruption of this thread will have consequences!
Could you provide a cite for that John as I have never seen one The disruption is only because cites are not being given Where does your information come from Did you see him or are you relying on reports If so from whom
Title: Re:Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on December 30, 2016, 09:25:38 AM
Could you provide a cite for that John as I have never seen one The disruption is only because cites are not being given Where does your information come from Did you see him or are you relying on reports If so from whom
This expression from Marcos doesn't sound like the Marcos I met.
You speak the language John. Did you see Marcos say this himself ? Or has it come from a third party ?
In other words possibly another myth ?
Myths are everywhere in this case. A huge effort has been made to discredit The Mccanns and anyone associated with them. Is this another myth ?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2016, 09:36:38 AM
This expression from Marcos doesn't sound like the Marcos I met.
You speak the language John. Did you see Marcos say this himself ? Or has it come from a third party ?
In other words possibly another myth ?
Myths are everywhere in this case. A huge effort has been made to discredit The Mccanns and anyone associated with them. Is this another myth ?
I believe it maybe Perhaps John could provide the reliable source for this then there will be no room for dispute I don't think there is a reliable source
And I agree.. a very strange choice of words Another indication it may not be true
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2016, 10:14:05 AM
Correia stated initially, his underworld contacts told him Madeleine had been killed and her body was in a lake. Part of what he said I've left out.
Later he admitted, I believe, that he made it up.
Now what does say about Correia ?
I can think of some choice words
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: G-Unit on December 30, 2016, 10:23:39 AM
This expression from Marcos doesn't sound like the Marcos I met.
You speak the language John. Did you see Marcos say this himself ? Or has it come from a third party ?
In other words possibly another myth ?
Myths are everywhere in this case. A huge effort has been made to discredit The Mccanns and anyone associated with them. Is this another myth ?
That's so interesting that you met this man. When was that? Did you bump into him or did you contact him in advance? Where did you meet; Spain, Portugal, PdL or elsewhere? Did you make a special trip or fit him into a holiday? Please elaborate, it's fascinating.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Lace on December 30, 2016, 10:25:22 AM
After the trial of several PJ officers which saw Gonçalo Amaral found guilty of failing to report, Leonor Cipriano's lawyer, Marcos Aragão Correia, said: "Target was hit, Gonçalo Amaral was convicted".
Need we say any more?
Let me get this straight, a lawyer for Leonor Cipriano, was able to find Amaral guilty of failing to report and said 'target was hit' when Amaral was found guilty.
So what is wrong with that? A lawyer having success in finding someone guilty? Lawyers are always happy if they are successful aren't they, they punch the air, they hug etc. etc. why have things got to be different with Amaral?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2016, 10:26:31 AM
That's so interesting that you met this man. When was that? Did you bump into him or did you contact him in advance? Where did you meet; Spain, Portugal, PdL or elsewhere? Did you make a special trip or fit him into a holiday? Please elaborate, it's fascinating.
Or maybe Brazil.
Charley's Aunt springs to mind. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Lace on December 30, 2016, 10:27:26 AM
Correia stated initially, his underworld contacts told him Madeleine had been killed and her body was in a lake. Part of what he said I've left out.
Later he admitted, I believe, that he made it up.
Now what does say about Correia ?
I can think of some choice words
It says that he reported what he heard, then admitted that he believed the person made it up. If he had ignored what he heard, and Madeleine was indeed in the lake, what would you have to say then?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2016, 10:34:05 AM
It says that he reported what he heard, then admitted that he believed the person made it up. If he had ignored what he heard, and Madeleine was indeed in the lake, what would you have to say then?
She was murdered.
As to Correia, he is a fantasist and self proclaimed psychic.
Perhaps he knows what I will type next. @)(++(*
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Lace on December 30, 2016, 10:38:50 AM
It seems posters can now claim speculation as fact without providing any solid evidence
Wrong. Posters have to provide cites for their statements. If we relied on purely solid evidence both sides would struggle. Every mention of abduction would have to be deleted.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2016, 12:41:08 PM
Wrong. Posters have to provide cites for their statements. If we relied on purely solid evidence both sides would struggle. Every mention of abduction would have to be deleted.
Then what cite has been given for the lawyers TV appearance None
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2016, 12:45:24 PM
Wrong. Posters have to provide cites for their statements. If we relied on purely solid evidence both sides would struggle. Every mention of abduction would have to be deleted.
Furthermore it is not acceptable here to claim the abduction as fact but we are expected to accept this supposed statement on tv with no evidence
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on December 30, 2016, 12:59:49 PM
Here is a link which has the video of comments made outside court on 22/5/09 after Amaral was convicted (scroll down) http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2014/04/20/the-joana-case-verdict/
Unfortunately there is only a transcript of Amaral's comments but I cannot hear Correia mention the name Goncalo Amaral when he spoke. Is there anyone who can translate for us? The phrase over which we are arguing actually appears as "Today's Law Quotes" so perhaps it is only as reliable as the journalist reporting it.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2016, 01:00:13 PM
''The target has been hit-Goncarlo Amaral has been convicted"
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2016, 01:05:09 PM
Here is a link which has the video of comments made outside court on 22/5/09 after Amaral was convicted (scroll down) http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2014/04/20/the-joana-case-verdict/
Unfortunately there is only a transcript of Amaral's comments but I cannot hear Correia mention the name Goncalo Amaral when he spoke. Is there anyone who can translate for us? The phrase over which we are arguing actually appears as "Today's Law Quotes" so perhaps it is only as reliable as the journalist reporting it.
Yep, on there too.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on December 30, 2016, 01:07:43 PM
''The target has been hit-Goncarlo Amaral has been convicted"
I've done your dirty work for you - so you tell us where in that live broadcast Correia makes the alleged comment: or is this the one occasion you will accept a supposed media quote sans source as gospel?
Title: Re:Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2016, 01:10:09 PM
I've done your dirty work for you - so you tell us where in that live broadcast Correia makes the alleged comment: or is this the one occasion you will accept a supposed media quote sans source as gospel?
Yet when we have announcements from sources at OG , SY, etc., you expect them to be believed.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2016, 01:11:37 PM
I've done your dirty work for you - so you tell us where in that live broadcast Correia makes the alleged comment: or is this the one occasion you will accept a supposed media quote sans source as gospel?
There's not even a media quote
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2016, 01:14:11 PM
So still no confirmation
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on December 30, 2016, 01:18:35 PM
Not even from Duarte Levy, if you read further down the page I linked to. I'm looking forward to reading Stephen's transcript of Correia's comments from Portuguese to English as he appears to hear something I don't. Over to you, Stephen.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2016, 01:22:26 PM
Not even from Duarte Levy, if you read further down the page I linked to. I'm looking forward to reading Stephen's transcript of Correia's comments from Portuguese to English as he appears to hear something I don't. Over to you, Stephen.
Stephen doesn't have a transcript
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2016, 01:32:50 PM
Not even from Duarte Levy, if you read further down the page I linked to. I'm looking forward to reading Stephen's transcript of Correia's comments from Portuguese to English as he appears to hear something I don't. Over to you, Stephen.
I don't speak Portuguese.
The quote from Correia can be found n various search engines.
The question is , why won't you accept it ?
So yet again. Metodo3 were employed by the McCann's and Correia was employed by Metodo3.
Nothing you can type will convince me otherwise.
Haven't you grasped that yet, and that applies to others of your ilk.
As to people reading this forum, they can look for themselves and decide for themselves.
You also seem to forget the plethora of material from Correia on the net.
Title: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on December 30, 2016, 01:33:44 PM
The quote from Correia can be found n various search engines.
The question is , why won't you accept it ?
So yet again. Metodo3 were employed by the McCann's and Correia was employed by Metodo3.
Nothing you can type will convince me otherwise.
Haven't you grasped that yet, and that applies to others of your ilk.
As to people reading this forum, they can look for themselves and decide for themselves.
You also seem to forget the plethora of material from Correia on the net.
We are discussing one particular alleged comment made by Correia. Even TB did not quote it in its entirety over on "his" forum. I think sceptics are too quick to assume that everything Correia said & did was solely for the benefit of the McCanns & nothing to do with trying to help the woman he was representing.
Title: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2016, 01:38:37 PM
We are discussing one particular alleged comment made by Correia. Even TB did not quote it in its entirety over on "his" forum. I think sceptics are too quick to assume that everything Correia said & did was solely for the benefit of the McCanns & nothing to do with trying to help the woman he was representing.
He was employed by Metodo3 for a specific purpose.
The McCann's employed Metodo3.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2016, 01:43:16 PM
The quote from Correia can be found n various search engines.
The question is , why won't you accept it ?
So yet again. Metodo3 were employed by the McCann's and Correia was employed by Metodo3.
Nothing you can type will convince me otherwise.
Haven't you grasped that yet, and that applies to others of your ilk.
As to people reading this forum, they can look for themselves and decide for themselves.
You also seem to forget the plethora of material from Correia on the net.
So still no confirmation The search engine brings up very little One by Bennett who is totally unreliable You have failed to quote a source Telling posters to isle a search engine is a very weak reply
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2016, 01:45:22 PM
Yet the quote remains, no matter how hard you try, and you of course are biased, to put it mildly, in favour of the Mccanns .
Far from remaining it seems the quote never existed Stirling work by Misty to debunk this myth
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2016, 01:53:21 PM
The quote hasn't been debunked.
A simple search on Google by typing in the phrase will reveal that.
Perhaps one day, though I think that extremely unlikely, you will get it into your head that the connection between Metodo3, Correia and the McCann's is a fact.
He was employed by Metodo3 to go after Amaral.
By the way, I recommend you study what else Correia has said in regard to Metodo3 and the McCann's.
Easily accessed.
Likewise, get it into your head, nothing you type will convince me otherwise.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2016, 02:01:02 PM
A simple search on Google by typing in the phrase will reveal that.
Perhaps one day, though I think that extremely unlikely, you will get it into your head that the connection between Metodo3, Correia and the McCann's is a fact.
He was employed by Metodo3 to go after Amaral.
By the way, I recommend you study what else Correia has said in regard to Metodo3 and the McCann's.
Easily accessed.
Likewise, get it into your head, nothing you type will convince me otherwise.
A simple search brings up a post by Bennett Debunked unless you can provide a better source And we know you cannot
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2016, 02:15:45 PM
A simple search on Google by typing in the phrase will reveal that.
Perhaps one day, though I think that extremely unlikely, you will get it into your head that the connection between Metodo3, Correia and the McCann's is a fact.
He was employed by Metodo3 to go after Amaral.
By the way, I recommend you study what else Correia has said in regard to Metodo3 and the McCann's.
Easily accessed.
Likewise, get it into your head, nothing you type will convince me otherwise.
You are totally mistaken if you think o am trying to change your mind I'm just pointing out where you are wrong
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: jassi on December 30, 2016, 02:32:16 PM
If you can't understand my post as it is it would be a waste of time trying to explain Would be better if you put me on ignore as you suggested earlier
Title: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2016, 04:05:31 PM
Is there an actual quote from Kate McCann saying, "he deserves to feel miserable and feel fear"?.
I can find cites from Spudgun ~ Morais ~ Havern et al.
Can you possibly provide the source for Kate McCann saying it? Thank you.
Kate McCann - Madeleine (Hardback copy) Page 341: Amaral’s appeal was heard in December in Lisbon, over five days that ended up being spread over three consecutive months. Gerry and I felt it was important, essential even, for us to attend to represent Madeleine. She needed somebody there for her. She was the victim in this, not Gonçalo Amaral. I also needed to see the whites of Sr Amaral’s eyes. We flew out to Portugal on 10 December.
Not sure how I feel about seeing Mr Amaral – for the first time ever, I hasten to add! I know I’m not scared but that man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine and the search to find her. He deserves to be miserable and feel fear.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on December 31, 2016, 01:02:09 AM
Kate McCann - Madeleine (Hardback copy) Page 341: Amaral’s appeal was heard in December in Lisbon, over five days that ended up being spread over three consecutive months. Gerry and I felt it was important, essential even, for us to attend to represent Madeleine. She needed somebody there for her. She was the victim in this, not Gonçalo Amaral. I also needed to see the whites of Sr Amaral’s eyes. We flew out to Portugal on 10 December.
Not sure how I feel about seeing Mr Amaral – for the first time ever, I hasten to add! I know I’m not scared but that man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine and the search to find her. He deserves to be miserable and feel fear.
He was only searching for a dead Madeleine wasn't he ? He had decided from day that she was dead, so didn't bother to look for a living Madeleine. He lost the 'Golden hours', because of his attitude. What a way to treat a little missing girl ... and her parents.
I am inclined to agree with Kate. He deserves what he gets.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Brietta on December 31, 2016, 01:20:44 AM
Kate McCann - Madeleine (Hardback copy) Page 341: Amaral’s appeal was heard in December in Lisbon, over five days that ended up being spread over three consecutive months. Gerry and I felt it was important, essential even, for us to attend to represent Madeleine. She needed somebody there for her. She was the victim in this, not Gonçalo Amaral. I also needed to see the whites of Sr Amaral’s eyes. We flew out to Portugal on 10 December.
Not sure how I feel about seeing Mr Amaral – for the first time ever, I hasten to add! I know I’m not scared but that man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine and the search to find her. He deserves to be miserable and feel fear.
Thanks, Misty.
Taken in context a perfectly reasonable statement in my opinion. In similar circumstances I think my opinion of him would have been far harsher.
What I find interesting also is that she was about to see Amaral face to face for the very first time.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on December 31, 2016, 01:29:16 AM
Taken in context a perfectly reasonable statement in my opinion. In similar circumstances I think my opinion of him would have been far harsher.
What I find interesting also is that she was about to see Amaral face to face for the very first time.
I don't think my opinion would have been printable in the same circumstances. Recently I read something (can't remember where right now) about the team flown down from Lisbon tp help in Portimao & someone else from that team was jointly in charge with Amaral. Does that ring any bells with you?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on December 31, 2016, 01:42:35 AM
Allegedly he never even spoke to her ... even questioned her .... yet he made her an arguida
Allegedly he never spoke to Gerry either ... even question him ... yet he made him an arguido
And allegedly, he never really searched for a living Madeleine, having decided from day one that she was dead.
Apparently you still don't understand how the Portuguese justice system worked back in 2007 Sadie. Police officers including Amaral sought out the evidence, it was not their job to designate anyone arguido, that was the responsibility of the State prosecutors.
As to your claim that Amaral didn't search for a living Madeleine, is that really so surprising given what he and his team were presented with?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 31, 2016, 02:45:16 AM
Apparently you still don't understand how the Portuguese justice system worked back in 2007 Sadie. Police officers including Amaral sought out the evidence, it was not their job to designate anyone arguido, that was the responsibility of the State prosecutors.
As to your claim that Amaral didn't search for a living Madeleine, is that really so surprising given what he and his team were presented with?
Yes they should have searched for a living Maddie as there was no evidence she was dead
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 31, 2016, 08:49:39 AM
Is there an actual quote from Kate McCann saying, "he deserves to feel miserable and feel fear"?.
I can find cites from Spudgun ~ Morais ~ Havern et al.
Can you possibly provide the source for Kate McCann saying it? Thank you.
You mean you haven't read the book ? 8)-)))
Here is an extract with the precise quote ................
“I know I'm not scared but that man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine and the search to find her. He deserves to be miserable and feel fear."
Kate McCann, Madeleine
Says it all , doesn't it.
Oh by the way Brietta, the anger is self inflicted.
The passage from the book merely highlights once again, the Mccanns blaming everyone else for what they did wrong.
All this merely reinforces that the Mccanns were after Amaral.
Now we await the decision of the Supreme Court.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 31, 2016, 08:53:43 AM
Oh, by the way Brietta, why would Kate Mccann forgive an 'abductor' whose existence has never been proven, and bear that in mind to the infamous extract of page 119 ?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 31, 2016, 08:54:42 AM
Oh, by the way Brietta, why would Kate Mccann forgive an 'abductor' whose existence has never been proven, and bear that in mins to the infamous extract of page 119 ?
Everything needs to be read in context It's quite simple if you understand that And anyone who doesn't understand that will reach totally false conclusions
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 31, 2016, 09:05:47 AM
He was only searching for a dead Madeleine wasn't he ? He had decided from day that she was dead, so didn't bother to look for a living Madeleine. He lost the 'Golden hours', because of his attitude. What a way to treat a little missing girl ... and her parents.
I am inclined to agree with Kate. He deserves what he gets.
Of course you do, you support them 100%.
Madeleine was searched for extensively with no results.
It would also be an automatic procedure in the case of a missing person, for the police to look at the possibility they were dead.
Meanwhile Amaral was Team Coordinator, and not the only officer involved in this case.
Yet the McCann's wrath is primarily fixated on Amaral.
I find that indicates sociopathic tendencies. IMHO of course.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 31, 2016, 09:10:01 AM
Apparently you still don't understand how the Portuguese justice system worked back in 2007 Sadie. Police officers including Amaral sought out the evidence, it was not their job to designate anyone arguido, that was the responsibility of the State prosecutors.
As to your claim that Amaral didn't search for a living Madeleine, is that really so surprising given what he and his team were presented with?
They didn't 'seek out' evidence.
They either incompetently or (worse) deliberately mangled, misconstrued and misrepresented evidence to construct a dog's-breakfast of a 'case', for which not a shred of credible evidence existed, and used that as a basis of constituting the arguido-status.
Disgraceful.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: slartibartfast on December 31, 2016, 09:43:41 AM
They either incompetently or (worse) deliberately mangled, misconstrued and misrepresented evidence to construct a dog's-breakfast of a 'case', for which not a shred of credible evidence existed, and used that as a basis of constituting the arguido-status.
Disgraceful.
IYO
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 31, 2016, 09:44:18 AM
They either incompetently or (worse) deliberately mangled, misconstrued and misrepresented evidence to construct a dog's-breakfast of a 'case', for which not a shred of credible evidence existed, and used that as a basis of constituting the arguido-status.
Disgraceful.
You need to refrain from typing your pro-McCann mantra.
It has become increasingly ridiculous.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: ferryman on December 31, 2016, 09:46:35 AM
You need to refrain from typing your pro-McCann mantra.
It has become increasingly ridiculous.
Your repeated use of the word mantra is ridiculous You need to understand that some have looked at the same things you have and reached a different conclusion Because you don't understand how to assess evidence imo
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 31, 2016, 10:20:19 AM
You 'opinion' as you call it is irrelevant.
Anyone who examines your posts with an independent mind will come to the same conclusions.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 31, 2016, 10:28:15 AM
Anyone who examines your posts with an independent mind will come to the same conclusions.
And your opinion is irrelevant The fact that you think anyone would come to the same conclusion re my post is obviously wrong as even on this small forum several posters agree with me and so do SY So where does that leave your opinion The fact is you don't really have a consistent opinion You originally said you believed Maddie died in an accident You now say she may have left the apartment herself Make your mind up
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 31, 2016, 10:32:55 AM
Well some of the Mccanns supporters will.
They are irrelevant.
Now can you tell me which members of SY have come to your support and agreed with your posts? 8)-)))
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 31, 2016, 10:34:59 AM
Redwood said before he left.. "may not follow with all our thinking" was said in relation to the adbuction.
So you were saying ?
So which members of SY currently working on the case support your views ?
Would you care to name them ?
Those detectives who followed that line of reasoning were probably removed from the investigation pretty smartish, which might explain why OG is now down to one man and his dog.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 31, 2016, 10:57:36 AM
"may not follow with all our thinking" was said in relation to the adbuction.
So you were saying ?
So which members of SY currently working on the case support your views ?
Would you care to name them ?
I've caught you out again. It's so easy Cite for "may not follow with all our thinking" was referring to abduction It wasn't You are making up facts as you go Cite
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 31, 2016, 10:58:54 AM
You really never learn, do you.
Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine was abducted "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.
"may not follow with all our thinking" was said in relation to the adbuction.
So you were saying ?
So which members of SY currently working on the case support your views ?
Would you care to name them ?
From The Guardian site.
Quote
This article was amended on 21 March 2014. The earlier version stated that Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood had said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive when she left the apartment "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case. To clarify: those quoted words actually came after Redwood had referred to the assumption that Madeleine had been abducted. However, Redwood did say during the same press conference that police were considering the possibility that Madeleine was not alive when taken from the apartment as well as the possibility that she was.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on December 31, 2016, 11:06:53 AM
Is just less clued-up than internet sleuths, the majority of whom have never been near the apartment?
Which?
The final report is clear that what happened to Madeleine was undetermined.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on January 01, 2017, 12:58:51 PM
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Happy New Year everyone.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 01, 2017, 01:02:03 PM
I have seen nothing to suggest that SY have determined anything for sure. They have never said they know what happened to Madeleine McCann.
Whatever SY know or think they know doesn't make any difference anyway. The only people who really matter are the Portuguese authorities, because the case is theirs, not the UK's.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: slartibartfast on January 01, 2017, 02:09:53 PM
Can we try and keep on topic.
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on January 01, 2017, 02:13:11 PM
I have seen nothing to suggest that SY have determined anything for sure. They have never said they know what happened to Madeleine McCann.
Whatever SY know or think they know doesn't make any difference anyway. The only people who really matter are the Portuguese authorities, because the case is theirs, not the UK's.
Do you realise just how awful that sounds ? You can't have it, "It's mine" mentality
I would hope that Porto PJ, the Portuguese authorities and Operation Grange are working together at an adult level ... not the childish level you suggest
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 01, 2017, 02:28:18 PM
Seein' as 'ow you mention it sport you didn't which means the balance of probablities bit is merely your own dubious opinion presented as fact.
What is dubious about the opinion that on the balance of probabilities Madeleine was abducted? On the balance of probabilities what do you think is more likely?
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: G-Unit on January 01, 2017, 02:46:07 PM
Do you realise just how awful that sounds ? You can't have it, "It's mine" mentality
9( I would hope that Porto PJ, the Portuguese authorities and Operation Grange are working together at an adult level ... not the childish level you suggest
I think you misunderstood my point, Sadie. I'll try to explain why it's not a matter of levels of maturity. . Because of legal jurisdiction the Portuguese are the ones who can fully and freely investigate this case. SY may gather evidence, but it is the Portuguese who will examine it and who will decide if the evidence is enough to launch a prosecution. It is the Portuguese who will try the culprit (s), unless the case is such that the UK can do it. The UK will only be able to try the case if the Portuguese allow them to.
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 01, 2017, 03:27:31 PM
I have seen nothing to suggest that SY have determined anything for sure. They have never said they know what happened to Madeleine McCann.
Whatever SY know or think they know doesn't make any difference anyway. The only people who really matter are the Portuguese authorities, because the case is theirs, not the UK's.
SY have stated the McCanns are not suspects
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 01, 2017, 03:31:19 PM
What is dubious about the opinion that on the balance of probabilities Madeleine was abducted? On the balance of probabilities what do you think is more likely?
In the context in which it is being bandied about "Balance of Probablities" is a legal concept; see davels earlier post in this thread if you are thinking it was something else we are discussing wrt to balance of probablities. How balance of probablities works in the legal sense is that evidence is presented by both sides to the court for a judgement on where the balance lies. Thus far it hasn't been presented at court therefore in a legal sense no one on this forum can make the presumption that the legal balance lays one way or another. As we don't have all the evidence to hand, as little as 17% if you believe some posts, we on this forum are in no position to weigh the evidence as would be required. You are asking me to speculate which way the balance lies, which as you have pointed out recently is not permissible on this forum. Just to make that clear: I don't know what happened any more than you or this entire forum do.
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alfie on January 01, 2017, 03:34:19 PM
In the context in which it is being bandied about "Balance of Probablities" is a legal concept; see davels earlier post in this thread if you are thinking it was something else we are discussing wrt to balance of probablities. How balance of probablities works in the legal sense is that evidence is presented by both sides to the court for a judgement on where the balance lies. Thus far it hasn't been presented at court therefore in a legal sense no one on this forum can make the presumption that the legal balance lays one way or another. As we don't have all the evidence to hand, as little as 17% if you believe some posts, we on this forum are in no position to weigh the evidence as would be required. You are asking me to speculate which way the balance lies, which as you have pointed out recently is not permissible on this forum. Just to make that clear: I don't know what happened any more than you or this entire forum do.
Cop out. @)(++(*
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 01, 2017, 03:36:55 PM
In the context in which it is being bandied about "Balance of Probablities" is a legal concept; see davels earlier post in this thread if you are thinking it was something else we are discussing wrt to balance of probablities. How balance of probablities works in the legal sense is that evidence is presented by both sides to the court for a judgement on where the balance lies. Thus far it hasn't been presented at court therefore in a legal sense no one on this forum can make the presumption that the legal balance lays one way or another. As we don't have all the evidence to hand, as little as 17% if you believe some posts, we on this forum are in no position to weigh the evidence as would be required. You are asking me to speculate which way the balance lies, which as you have pointed out recently is not permissible on this forum. Just to make that I don't know what happened any more than you or this entire forum do.
I don't know what happened either but After 10 years the stents have not been arrested and there is nothing to suggest the police suspect them of any crime On the balance of probabilities they are not criminally involved in Maddies disappearance As the archiving report discounted woke and wandered that leaves abduction It is as simple as that
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: ferryman on January 01, 2017, 04:00:56 PM
In the context in which it is being bandied about "Balance of Probablities" is a legal concept; see davels earlier post in this thread if you are thinking it was something else we are discussing wrt to balance of probablities. How balance of probablities works in the legal sense is that evidence is presented by both sides to the court for a judgement on where the balance lies. Thus far it hasn't been presented at court therefore in a legal sense no one on this forum can make the presumption that the legal balance lays one way or another. As we don't have all the evidence to hand, as little as 17% if you believe some posts, we on this forum are in no position to weigh the evidence as would be required. You are asking me to speculate which way the balance lies, which as you have pointed out recently is not permissible on this forum. Just to make that clear: I don't know what happened any more than you or this entire forum do.
Assuming the files that were released were released to justify Amaral's position, even from the 17% that we have, it still doesn't look rosy for the PJ. I can't wait till the whole file is released so we can have a balanced look of their entire investigation.
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: jassi on January 01, 2017, 04:13:02 PM
Assuming the files that were released were released to justify Amaral's position, even from the 17% that we have, it still doesn't look rosy for the PJ. I can't wait till the whole file is released so we can have a balanced look of their entire investigation.
Why should anyone assume that?
Do you think full release of files at all likely?
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 01, 2017, 04:16:47 PM
I assume it because it would be human nature to justify your own position at the expense of the opposition. Do I think full release of files at all likely? Probably not but maybe it could be the next step in a very bizarre case.
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: jassi on January 01, 2017, 04:19:01 PM
I assume it because it would be human nature to justify your own position at the expense of the opposition. Do I think full release of files at all likely? Probably not but maybe it could be the next step in a very bizarre case.
Are you suggesting that Amaral had control of release of these files?
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 01, 2017, 04:24:00 PM
I don't know what happened either but After 10 years the stents have not been arrested and there is nothing to suggest the police suspect them of any crime On the balance of probabilities they are not criminally involved in Maddies disappearance As the archiving report discounted woke and wandered that leaves abduction It is as simple as that
All the evidence is yet to be weighed. You and Alfie are both prejudging on the one hand whilst on the other purporting to be of above average intelligence ................................ &%+((£ It's a matter of methodology and principle not someones surname.
Title: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on January 01, 2017, 05:07:09 PM
Which bit of "I don't know and neither do you" did you fail to understand ? If you are as bright as you purport to be you should be able to work it out; it is hardly as complicated as curly dees now is it?. If you can't work it out you are dim if you can then one must assume you are here for the same reasons for which you enjoy accusing and denigrating others of on here, to whit: to wum and troll.
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 01, 2017, 05:16:20 PM
Assuming the files that were released were released to justify Amaral's position, even from the 17% that we have, it still doesn't look rosy for the PJ. I can't wait till the whole file is released so we can have a balanced look of their entire investigation.
I'd rather have a gin sling and watch my lawns grow.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 01, 2017, 05:26:53 PM
All the evidence is yet to be weighed. You and Alfie are both prejudging on the one hand whilst on the other purporting to be of above average intelligence ................................ &%+((£ It's a matter of methodology and principle not someones surname.
I'm weighing it on the available evidence Ten years and not a sign that there is evidence to incriminate the parents That is highly significant evidentially Unlike the dog alerts
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 01, 2017, 05:55:52 PM
All the evidence is yet to be weighed. You and Alfie are both prejudging on the one hand whilst on the other purporting to be of above average intelligence ................................ &%+((£ It's a matter of methodology and principle not someones surname.
What do you mean by the evidence hasn't been weighed? Surely the evidence was assessed at some point before the case was archived and the archiving report makes it clear that there was a lack of evidence of any crime committed by the McCanns.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 01, 2017, 06:23:35 PM
You ask if I know him just because Sadie claims to? That's ridiculous imo.
You seem to be taking this personally.
After all, you have been attempting to defend Correia.
It seemed a perfectly reasonable question.
As I said several times to you and others of your group, you will not dissuade me or other people of the evidence that Correia was clearly engaged to go after Amaral.
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alfie on January 01, 2017, 06:25:11 PM
Which bit of "I don't know and neither do you" did you fail to understand ? If you are as bright as you purport to be you should be able to work it out; it is hardly as complicated as curly dees now is it?. If you can't work it out you are dim if you can then one must assume you are here for the same reasons for which you enjoy accusing and denigrating others of on here, to whit: to wum and troll.
You're incredibly rude aren't you? Firstly I'd like a cite for me purporting to be bright. As far as I'm concerned I have never made any boashut upl claim about my intelligence. Secondly, "curly dees"? No idea what that is. Thirdly, I guess I must be dim as I can't work it out. I can't work out why asking someone's opinion on a chat forum is anathema to people like you. It seems we're not permitted to ask people what they think about things anymore. Is that a new forum rule?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on January 01, 2017, 06:38:02 PM
After all, you have been attempting to defend Correia.
It seemed a perfectly reasonable question.
As I said several times to you and others of your group, you will not dissuade me or other people of the evidence that Correia was clearly engaged to go after Amaral.
You attempted to make it personal. Neither you nor I know what Metado 3 employed Correia to do. You are attacking Correia based on your interpretation of a supposed quote on a pro-Amaral blog. There is no proof he ever made the remark yet you are happy to believe same because it suits. Amaral has, on many occasions, whinged that he was a scapegoat in his own country's political & judicial system plus the UK political system & latterly the McCanns. It wasn't Correia who convicted him.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 01, 2017, 06:41:04 PM
You attempted to make it personal. Neither you nor I know what Metado 3 employed Correia to do. You are attacking Correia based on your interpretation of a supposed quote on a pro-Amaral blog. There is no proof he ever made the remark yet you are happy to believe same because it suits. Amaral has, on many occasions, whinged that he was a scapegoat in his own country's political & judicial system plus the UK political system & latterly the McCanns. It wasn't Correia who convicted him.
You really are very slow on this.
I said this earlier, so just to help you.
The evidence of Correia's involvement , instructions and an employee of Metodo3, is not just based on one quote.
If you think it is, you are deluded.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on January 01, 2017, 06:51:52 PM
The evidence of Correia's involvement , instructions and an employee of Metodo3, is not just based on one quote.
If you think it is, you are deluded.
Then humour me. Please give me the relevant cite to Metado3's instructions to Correia & I will bow down to your superior intellect. Otherwise, please desist from calling me slow.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 01, 2017, 07:03:35 PM
Then humour me. Please give me the relevant cite to Metado3's instructions to Correia & I will bow down to your superior intellect. Otherwise, please desist from calling me slow.
Perhaps you should read through the entire thread and links supplied.
There are a plethora out there.
Eventually you will comprehend that nothing you can type what is the truth of the matter.
Metodo3 employed Correia to go after Amaral, the McCann's employed Metodo3.
Then we have the involvement of a certain Mr. Kennedy.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on January 01, 2017, 07:06:26 PM
What do you mean by the evidence hasn't been weighed? Surely the evidence was assessed at some point before the case was archived and the archiving report makes it clear that there was a lack of evidence of any crime committed by the McCanns.
1. It needs to weighed by a court unless we are playing silly buggars at a low level with a pretend court. All the evidence hasn't been weighed by a court as balance of probablities is restricted to civil matters but the issue being investigated was criminal ? That seems to be paradoxical but that is how it has been presented thus far. 2. That has been done to death on here every few days. What did the report really say?
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alfie on January 01, 2017, 07:26:15 PM
1. It needs to weighed by a court unless we are playing silly buggars at a low level with a pretend court. All the evidence hasn't been weighed by a court as balance of probablities is restricted to civil matters but the issue being investigated was criminal ? That seems to be paradoxical but that is how it has been presented thus far. 2. That has been done to death on here every few days. What did the report really say?
What is this "playing at silly buggars" accusation? Did no one within the judicial process evaluate the evidence, yes or no? I suggest you dig out the report and re-read it if you want to know what it says. Something very close to what I wrote I think, but I was going by memory.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 01, 2017, 07:33:43 PM
Anyone who is not attached to the Mccann's will see exactly what Correia was doing, as well as those who employed him.
So you are saying that only those not connected to the McCanns have the knowledge & ability to interpret Metado3 & Correia's actions? You must be such a killjoy at a magic show.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 01, 2017, 07:53:02 PM
So you are saying that only those not connected to the McCanns have the knowledge & ability to interpret Metado3 & Correia's actions? You must be such a killjoy at a magic show.
Most people are not attached or support the McCann's.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on January 01, 2017, 08:01:29 PM
Most people are not attached or support the McCann's.
Look at it from a slightly different perspective. Do you think Amaral wouldstill have been convicted if Leonor had had a lawyer who wasn't in any way connected to Metado3?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 01, 2017, 08:12:59 PM
Look at it from a slightly different perspective. Do you think Amaral wouldstill have been convicted if Leonor had had a lawyer who wasn't in any way connected to Metado3?
Isn't that speculation ?
Remind me, who was convicted of 'torture' ?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on January 01, 2017, 08:23:10 PM
Amaral was convicted for falsifying documents, not torture. There must have been clear evidence he did so as he was present at the station immediately after LC "threw herself down the stairs" & knew which 2 officers were with her.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 01, 2017, 08:28:47 PM
Amaral was convicted for falsifying documents, not torture. There must have been clear evidence he did so as he was present at the station immediately after LC "threw herself down the stairs" & knew which 2 officers were with her.
I know perfectly well what his conviction was for.
Are you implying he was involved in 'torture' ?
If you are , back it up.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on January 01, 2017, 08:31:27 PM
Are you calling me a liar? I have made mistakes as everyone on here has, but I have always tried to correct them.
Show me where I have lied.
If I say I met Marcos Aragao Correia and spent some time with him, having dinner with him twice, then I did. Full stop.
I have seen him in his Lawyers role. I can assure you that he would demolish you in a matter of minutes and spit the pieces out. And i am not being rude, that is a fact.
No hearsay about that. I witnessed it.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on January 01, 2017, 08:34:13 PM
I know perfectly well what his conviction was for.
Are you implying he was involved in 'torture' ?
If you are , back it up.
No, you said torture; I only spoke about his conviction & the reason for it, which was based on evidence & not the involvement of Correia. Leonor's injuries must have occurred at the police station, not the prison, because the prison called the station in the middle of the night to notify them of Leonor's worsening condition warranting a trip to hospital. If the injuries had occurred at the prison the hospital trip wold have been dealt with in-house.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 01, 2017, 08:46:43 PM
Are you calling me a liar? I have made mistakes as everyone on here has, but I have always tried to correct them.
Show me where I have lied.
If I say I met Marcos Aragao Correia and spent some time with him, having dinner with him twice, then I did. Full stop.
I have seen him in his Lawyers role. I can assure you that he would demolish you in a matter of minutes and spit the pieces out. And i am not being rude, that is a fact.
No hearsay about that. I witnessed it.
No Sadie, I would wipe the floor with Correia.
He is a fantasist, and self proclaimed psychic.
As to your claims Sadie, you have NEVER verified them
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on January 01, 2017, 08:47:20 PM
I know perfectly well what his conviction was for.
Are you implying he was involved in 'torture' ?
If you are , back it up.
i will stick my oar in here.
We have no reason to believe that Amaral was physically involved in Leonors Torture, although some of us might wonder. However as Head Honcho, he allowed it to happen ... and then perjured himself by covering things up.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 01, 2017, 08:48:48 PM
No, you said torture; I only spoke about his conviction & the reason for it, which was based on evidence & not the involvement of Correia. Leonor's injuries must have occurred at the police station, not the prison, because the prison called the station in the middle of the night to notify them of Leonor's worsening condition warranting a trip to hospital. If the injuries had occurred at the prison the hospital trip wold have been dealt with in-house.
Speculation.
You will also be aware, that prisoners have also claimed they beat up Cipriano. Cipriano changed her story numerous times, and had her sentence extended due to her lying.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on January 01, 2017, 08:57:55 PM
You will also be aware, that prisoners have also claimed they beat up Cipriano. Cipriano changed her story numerous times, and had her sentence extended due to her lying.
It's not speculation. The report of the phone call is in Cristovao's book, translation on TB's site. I shudder at justice which sentences you because you can't positively identify the person who assaulted you despite clear evidence you were assaulted.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 01, 2017, 08:58:13 PM
It's not speculation. The report of the phone call is in Cristovao's book, translation on TB's site. I shudder at justice which sentences you because you can't positively identify the person who assaulted you despite clear evidence you were assaulted.
Fellow prisoners have claimed to have assaulted Cipriano.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on January 01, 2017, 09:03:15 PM
It's not speculation. The report of the phone call is in Cristovao's book, translation on TB's site. I shudder at justice which sentences you because you can't positively identify the person who assaulted you despite clear evidence you were assaulted.
8@??)(
And so does any reasonable person.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 01, 2017, 09:08:18 PM
Are you calling me a liar? I have made mistakes as everyone on here has, but I have always tried to correct them.
Show me where I have lied.
If I say I met Marcos Aragao Correia and spent some time with him, having dinner with him twice, then I did. Full stop.
I have seen him in his Lawyers role. I can assure you that he would demolish you in a matter of minutes and spit the pieces out. And i am not being rude, that is a fact.
No hearsay about that. I witnessed it.
In that case you might like to answer my questions which you have ignored.
December 30, 2016, 10:23:39 AM » That's so interesting that you met this man. When was that? Did you bump into him or did you contact him in advance? Where did you meet; Spain, Portugal, PdL or elsewhere? Did you make a special trip or fit him into a holiday? Please elaborate, it's fascinating.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on January 01, 2017, 09:09:52 PM
It's not speculation. The report of the phone call is in Cristovao's book, translation on TB's site. I shudder at justice which sentences you because you can't positively identify the person who assaulted you despite clear evidence you were assaulted.
I shudder even more at 'justice' which doesn't deem proof of torture as sufficient grounds to overturn a conviction.
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 01, 2017, 09:14:47 PM
You're incredibly rude aren't you? Firstly I'd like a cite for me purporting to be bright. As far as I'm concerned I have never made any boashut upl claim about my intelligence. Secondly, "curly dees"? No idea what that is. Thirdly, I guess I must be dim as I can't work it out. I can't work out why asking someone's opinion on a chat forum is anathema to people like you. It seems we're not permitted to ask people what they think about things anymore. Is that a new forum rule?
I have never had that levelled against me before. Outspoken and abrasive yes.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 01, 2017, 09:15:57 PM
It is pretty normal for a defence team to call witnesses to court if their testimony can acquit their client. I wonder why they weren't?
Don't you know why? According to scuttlebutt on here everything Portuguese is as bent as a dockers hook. Cue a Bret Harte moment.
"Which I wish to remark, And my language is plain, That for ways that are dark And for tricks that are vain, The heathen Chinee Portuguee is peculiar, Which the same I would rise to explain".
8(>((
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 01, 2017, 09:32:21 PM
Don't you know why? According to scuttlebutt on here everything Portuguese is as bent as a dockers hook. Cue a Bret Harte moment.
"Which I wish to remark, And my language is plain, That for ways that are dark And for tricks that are vain, The heathen Chinee Portuguee is peculiar, Which the same I would rise to explain".
8(>((
I don't think for one minute everything & everyone in Portugal is corrupt. The country is no better or worse than ours; it's just different.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on January 01, 2017, 10:15:30 PM
It was one judge's interpretation of the law. Who knows which way the Supreme Court will swing?
By Portuguese Law Misty.
Just as in the Appeal Court.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on January 01, 2017, 11:12:44 PM
Let's have some constructive debate folks and less of the personal attacks please. TY
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 02, 2017, 01:02:27 AM
What Stephen ha proved is that Coreio did not say those words We have the actual clip which I have not been able to watch in detail yet What it shows is that Cordero does not use the words Gonçalo amaral So the claim to his statement is not accurate What else is wrong we don't know yet
There have been claims that ciprianos was not assaulted by the police Read the link Stephen provided which has a translation by morals It clearly states that it is the courts belief that ciprianos was assaulted by the police and that the PJ including amaral Lied to th court in the falling downstairs claim
So proof that amaral and the rest of his officers lied to the court
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 02, 2017, 01:19:04 AM
There are repeated claims here that supporters are emotionally attached to the McCanns and therefore do not judge the evidence dispassionately Total BS Supporters are just better at understanding the evidence
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 02, 2017, 07:59:28 AM
'What Stephen ha proved is that Coreio did not say those words...............'
Total, utter drivel.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 02, 2017, 10:46:56 AM
'What Stephen ha proved is that Coreio did not say those words...............'
Total, utter drivel.
We know for certain that the words Gonçalo Amaral Are not spoken outside the court by Correio You have claimed they were You are wrong Rather than make childish comments address the post You cannot because what I have said is correct
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 02, 2017, 10:57:49 AM
We know for certain that the words Gonçalo Amaral Are not spoken outside the court by Correio You have claimed they were You are wrong Rather than make childish comments address the post You cannot because what I have said is correct
No you don't.
it is Correia, by the way.
There are numerous cites for Correia's activities, NOT JUST ONE, where he was employed to go after Amaral.
NO DOUBT ABOUT IT AT ALL.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 02, 2017, 11:13:00 AM
That's correct. Correia went on live TV outside the court after Amaral had been sentenced and stated "The target has been hit - Gonçalo Amaral has been convicted".
Any further disruption of this thread will have consequences!
John Your post has actually caused disruption Could you provide some evidence to support your post Without evidence it is simply speculation
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 02, 2017, 11:14:55 AM
John Your post has actually caused disruption Could you provide some evidence to support your post Without evidence it is simply speculation
Everyone knows what Correia said, it is well documented in the Portuguese press. I humbly suggest you do some research. How you choose to interpret it is up to you!!
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 02, 2017, 11:28:21 AM
Everyone knows what Correia said, it is well documented in the Portuguese press. I humbly suggest you do some research. How you choose to interpret it is up to you!!
Then you should be able to provide a cite Did you read it yourself
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: misty on January 02, 2017, 11:52:58 AM
Everyone knows what Correia said, it is well documented in the Portuguese press. I humbly suggest you do some research. How you choose to interpret it is up to you!!
I have translated the 2 phrases into Portuguese & there is zero result on Google. Links have already been provided to Portuguese press reports on the day Amaral's conviction was reported & there is nothing there either.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: stephen25000 on January 02, 2017, 12:43:17 PM
I have translated the 2 phrases into Portuguese & there is zero result on Google. Links have already been provided to Portuguese press reports on the day Amaral's conviction was reported & there is nothing there either.
That is not true Misty.
Type the phrase on Google and the links come up.
Along with other material from Correia.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: misty on January 02, 2017, 12:46:58 PM
Yes, I know the quotes come up in English but NOT a link to the real source.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 02, 2017, 03:43:39 PM
Does anyone know the mechanism for paying this man's bill for work done on behalf of Leonor Cipriano?:
João Grade dos Santos.
Was it by benefactor, the Cipriano family or was he acting as a public defender?
Poor Sra Cipriano. She elbows João Grade dos Santos right at the last knockings in favour of Marcos Aragão Correia, loses the case then is sent down, well look on the bright side it didn't cost her anything thanks to a benefactor Then when she's in court next time around Marcos Aragão Correia had legged it only for LC to have a public defender appointed to act on her behalf. That didn't go too well either. Why didn't the benfactor stump up for the bill this time around? Same woman near enough the same case. Had the benefactor changed his mind about LC or had she served her turn?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: jassi on January 02, 2017, 03:52:51 PM
Do we have a name for this benefactor, or even a nationality ?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on January 02, 2017, 06:46:21 PM
Does anyone know the mechanism for paying this man's bill for work done on behalf of Leonor Cipriano?:
João Grade dos Santos.
Was it by benefactor, the Cipriano family or was he acting as a public defender?
Poor Sra Cipriano. She elbows João Grade dos Santos right at the last knockings in favour of Marcos Aragão Correia, loses the case then is sent down, well look on the bright side it didn't cost her anything thanks to a benefactor Then when she's in court next time around Marcos Aragão Correia had legged it only for LC to have a public defender appointed to act on her behalf. That didn't go too well either. Why didn't the benfactor stump up for the bill this time around? Same woman near enough the same case. Had the benefactor changed his mind about LC or had she served her turn?
You obviously haven't been reading on here.
The poor, such as Leonor, get a free lawyer to represent them in PT. So neither Grade nor Corrreia got paid.
Presumably she heard about Grade being caught carrying drugs ... and as he was a buddy of Amaral, had uneasy feelings about him. He was at Amarals 50th Birthday bash when Correia was roughed up very badly outside ... as was his client, also with him.
Not only was Marcos Aragao Correia badly roughed up, but his mother (and sister IIRC) was threatened, and he found empty cartridge shells on his balcony. Add to this the fact that his client, who had also been roughed up, had received a phone call from allegedly Amaral threatening to put a golden bullet between his eyes ... and also allegedly making veiled threats against his small child.
Where does the Benefactor come in ? Have you dreamt that up? Leonor was entitled to free legal aid.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: stephen25000 on January 02, 2017, 07:58:45 PM
The poor, such as Leonor, get a free lawyer to represent them in PT. So neither Grade nor Corrreia got paid.
Presumably she heard about Grade being caught carrying drugs ... and as he was a buddy of Amaral, had uneasy feelings about him. He was at Amarals 50th Birthday bash when Correia was roughed up very badly outside ... as was his client, also with him.
Not only was Marcos Aragao Correia badly roughed up, but his mother (and sister IIRC) was threatened, and he found empty cartridge shells on his balcony. Add to this the fact that his client, who had also been roughed up, had received a phone call from allegedly Amaral threatening to put a golden bullet between his eyes ... and also allegedly making veiled threats against his small child.
Where does the Benefactor come in ? Have you dreamt that up? Leonor was entitled to free legal aid.
Can we have the cites for all this Sadie ?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on January 02, 2017, 08:29:12 PM
alot can happen in 10 years look at the ramsey case they are now saying it was the brother/the mother
Absolutely, my own case is still live and well and going forward after 13 years despite many attempts by those in power to derail it. It's never over til the fat lady sings!
Correia was interviewed outside the court after the trial of the PJ officers, his comments were recorded and subsequently published in the Portuguese press. There is no doubt Amaral was his target so boasting about it outside court comes as no surprise. Question is, who was pulling Correia's strings?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on January 03, 2017, 11:57:18 AM
I have avoided handing out warnings over the festive periods but if the silliness continues they will be invoked. Please stop the name calling and the sniping. TY
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 03, 2017, 01:12:50 PM
Absolutely, my own case is still live and well and going forward after 13 years despite many attempts by those in power to derail it. It's never over til the fat lady sings!
Correia was interviewed outside the court after the trial of the PJ officers, his comments were recorded and subsequently published in the Portuguese press. There is no doubt Amaral was his target so boasting about it outside court comes as no surprise. Question is, who was pulling Correia's strings?
Do you have a cite Did you hear it yourself Misty has posted the interview and Gonçalo Amaral is not mentioned by name yet the quote claims he is If the quote is not accurate As it seems it isn't then do we have a link to the actual translation
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on January 03, 2017, 03:56:47 PM
Do you have a cite Did you hear it yourself Misty has posted the interview and Gonçalo Amaral is not mentioned by name yet the quote claims he is If the quote is not accurate As it seems it isn't then do we have a link to the actual translation
There is a video taken after the trial of the inspectors in which Correia comments, it is still online.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on January 03, 2017, 04:58:20 PM
Please see my post #252 which gives a link to a page containing the video. The name of Goncalo Amaral is not mentioned by Correia.
Thank you misty, that is part of the interview, no doubt someone will come across the full version. In any event I don't see the problem since it is well documented that Amaral was his target.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on January 03, 2017, 07:20:47 PM
Thank you misty, that is part of the interview, no doubt someone will come across the full version. In any event I don't see the problem since it is well documented that Amaral was his target.
The rules are to supply a cite. No-one can supply the cite, merely an unnamed source writing, in English, about the Law Quotes of the Day. I cannot find the same words translated into Portuguese printed in the Portuguese media - but I will happily accept a cite from anyone who can. Correia clearly did have a grudge against Amaral. Who wouldn't when a former police officer publicly says you belong in a psychiatric hospital? But as for saying that he hit the target & was paid to do so by Metado3 on behalf of the McCanns...........
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alfie on January 03, 2017, 07:24:08 PM
The rules are to supply a cite. No-one can supply the cite, merely an unnamed source writing, in English, about the Law Quotes of the Day. I cannot find the same words translated into Portuguese printed in the Portuguese media - but I will happily accept a cite from anyone who can. Correia clearly did have a grudge against Amaral. Who wouldn't when a former police officer publicly says you belong in a psychiatric hospital? But as for saying that he hit the target & was paid to do so by Metado3 on behalf of the McCanns...........
Can you imagine the furore if the claim was about something supportive about the McCanns allegedly said by Andy Redwood for which no supporter was able to provide an actual cite, it simply would be ridiculed off the forum. More double standards methinks.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 03, 2017, 07:27:24 PM
The rules are to supply a cite. No-one can supply the cite, merely an unnamed source writing, in English, about the Law Quotes of the Day. I cannot find the same words translated into Portuguese printed in the Portuguese media - but I will happily accept a cite from anyone who can. Correia clearly did have a grudge against Amaral. Who wouldn't when a former police officer publicly says you belong in a psychiatric hospital? But as for saying that he hit the target & was paid to do so by Metado3 on behalf of the McCanns...........
You know damn well he was employed by Metodo3 to go after Amaral.
Why deny it ?
By the way, what allegations did Correia, and we know he is a self proclaimed psychic, make against Amaral ???
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on January 03, 2017, 07:41:55 PM
You know damn well he was employed by Metodo3 to go after Amaral.
Why deny it ?
By the way, what allegations did Correia, and we know he is a self proclaimed psychic, make against Amaral ???
I don't "damn well" know anything & neither do you or you'd provide the relevant cite. He was the Cipriano's lawyer, replacing the one who clearly did have a conflict of interest in the case. Correia apparently made a few allegations against the "Beast" & who knows how much truth there was in them.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 03, 2017, 07:53:34 PM
I don't "damn well" know anything & neither do you or you'd provide the relevant cite. He was the Cipriano's lawyer, replacing the one who clearly did have a conflict of interest in the case. Correia apparently made a few allegations against the "Beast" & who knows how much truth there was in them.
There are plenty of quotations on here from Correia already.
Don't try kidding me, that Correia wasn't employed to go after Amaral.
You chance of doing that rests firmly at 0 %.
So , let's have some cites for these allegations, and your sources.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Brietta on January 03, 2017, 08:38:37 PM
You know damn well he was employed by Metodo3 to go after Amaral.
Why deny it ?
By the way, what allegations did Correia, and we know he is a self proclaimed psychic, make against Amaral ???
I don't have the slightest idea ... but obviously you do since you have broached the subject ... so why not share by providing cites and allow those of us who have no idea what you are on about to share your information?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 03, 2017, 08:49:29 PM
I don't have the slightest idea ... but obviously you do since you have broached the subject ... so why not share by providing cites and allow those of us who have no idea what you are on about to share your information?
I already have.
However, you will never accept them
You of course, have never admitted the McCann's did anything wrong. 8)-)))
I wonder why.
Nah, not really. 8)--))
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Brietta on January 03, 2017, 09:10:56 PM
You of course, have never admitted the McCann's did anything wrong. 8)-)))
I wonder why.
Nah, not really. 8)--))
One can only assume you appear to be making unfounded allegations against Marcos Aragão Correia since you are obviously unable to substantiate anything you say.
You have once again asked a question ... once again you fail to provide the answer which one is led to assume you know.
I don't know the answer and one can only presume that neither do you. It is becoming a repetitive instrument which in my opinion provides no information, only invective.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on January 03, 2017, 09:11:14 PM
One can only assume you appear to be making unfounded allegations against Marcos Aragão Correia since you are obviously unable to substantiate anything you say.
You have once again asked a question ... once again you fail to provide the answer which one is led to assume you know.
I don't know the answer and one can only presume that neither do you. It is becoming a repetitive instrument which in my opinion provides no information, only invective.
I'm afraid Brietta , the only thing on show , is your bias towards the McCann's.
If you had bothered to read through the links and cites provided, and of course, read about Correia yourself, then there is no doubt what he was hired by Metodo3 to do.
Of course, if you have an issue with me, take it up with the forum owner.
Read what he has said on this thread.
By now you should have realized how much value I place on your posts.
So, for the last time Brietta, why have you never criticized the McCann's for what they did ?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Brietta on January 03, 2017, 10:53:54 PM
I'm afraid Brietta , the only thing on show , is your bias towards the McCann's.
If you had bothered to read through the links and cites provided, and of course, read about Correia yourself, then there is no doubt what he was hired by Metodo3 to do.
Of course, if you have an issue with me, take it up with the forum owner.
Read what he has said on this thread.
By now you should have realized how much value I place on your posts.
So, for the last time Brietta, why have you never criticized the McCann's for what they did ?
A defence only of your inability to provide a cite ... for anything. It is really inappropriate and indefensible on a fact based forum. In my opinion everything you have posted for which you are unable to provide provenance just should not see the light of day on the threads of this forum.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on January 04, 2017, 12:43:42 AM
I must say it is funny watching some posters attempt to defend the indefensible. Several Portuguese lawyers representing the PJ inspectors and Leonor Cipriano herself reported that Correia had attempted to do deals with them if they pointed the finger and thus the blame at Amaral. In any language that amounted to a targeting of Amaral himself. Correia and his paymaster cronies thought that if they discredited Amaral then his thesis relating to Madeleine McCann would also be discredited. They both deserve each other imo.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on January 04, 2017, 02:03:08 AM
I must say it is funny watching some posters attempt to defend the indefensible. Several Portuguese lawyers representing the PJ inspectors and Leonor Cipriano herself reported that Correia had attempted to do deals with them if they pointed the finger and thus the blame at Amaral. In any language that amounted to a targeting of Amaral himself. Correia and his paymaster cronies thought that if they discredited Amaral then his thesis relating to Madeleine McCann would also be discredited. They both deserve each other imo.
You don't think justice was served when Amaral was convicted & his conviction upheld by the Court of Appeal? You'd rather she have been represented by Grade & all 5 walked - especially with what we now know about Cristovao?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2017, 02:44:39 AM
I must say it is funny watching some posters attempt to defend the indefensible. Several Portuguese lawyers representing the PJ inspectors and Leonor Cipriano herself reported that Correia had attempted to do deals with them if they pointed the finger and thus the blame at Amaral. In any language that amounted to a targeting of Amaral himself. Correia and his paymaster cronies thought that if they discredited Amaral then his thesis relating to Madeleine McCann would also be discredited. They both deserve each other imo.
Sometimes you do talk rubbish John Amaral thesis is totally discredited and is based on his misunderstanding of the evidence How do the UK press refer to him and he has no one to blame but himself Again do you have any cite for the quote you have made re outside the court No cite no belief It appears to be nothing more than a myth
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2017, 02:58:22 AM
It appears to me that it is the amaral camp trying to discredit Cordeia by spreading lies about him
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: carlymichelle on January 04, 2017, 03:24:03 AM
A defence only of your inability to provide a cite ... for anything. It is really inappropriate and indefensible on a fact based forum. In my opinion everything you have posted for which you are unable to provide provenance just should not see the light of day on the threads of this forum.
I provided cites on here , for this thread.
Why you deny it, is crystal clear, and have no doubt 'sceptics' as we are sometimes called, know full well what you are doing and why.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: carlymichelle on January 04, 2017, 08:28:41 AM
As regards the McCann's stories, the observation that an ever diminishing people who believe their tale of abduction applies.
Still waiting for cites to show an abduction happened.
Then you are on the wrong thread I don't propose to answer something so off topic
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2017, 08:49:35 AM
As John said in the early hours.............
' I must say it is funny watching some posters attempt to defend the indefensible. Several Portuguese lawyers representing the PJ inspectors and Leonor Cipriano herself reported that Correia had attempted to do deals with them if they pointed the finger and thus the blame at Amaral. In any language that amounted to a targeting of Amaral himself. Correia and his paymaster cronies thought that if they discredited Amaral then his thesis relating to Madeleine McCann would also be discredited. They both deserve each other imo. '
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2017, 08:55:55 AM
Good to see someone posting on topic Does this link include the statement in question On a quick look no but can put through google translate tomorrow So still no cite I would think If there was a translation slarti would have posted it So does slarti know what the link he has posted actually sAys Probably not
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2017, 09:36:06 AM
Correia was employed to after Amaral.
No doubt about it.
Any guest reading the forum will know that as well.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2017, 10:13:22 AM
Good to see someone posting on topic Does this link include the statement in question On a quick look no but can put through google translate tomorrow So still no cite I would think If there was a translation slarti would have posted it So does slarti know what the link he has posted actually sAys Probably not
That link has already been posted on this thread.
Didn't you notice ?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2017, 11:41:08 AM
So where is the quote in it you claim exists It isn't there and proves you wrong
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2017, 11:48:26 AM
So we finally have the quote that it is claimed supports the quote when in fact it doesn't So there is no support for the quote which supports the claim it could well be another myth
Title: Marcos Aragão Correia's OTHER campaigns
Post by: blonk on January 04, 2017, 11:49:42 AM
Any guest reading the forum will know that as well.
One very important element that appears to be entirely absent from this thread so far is that Marcos Aragao Correia was not only employed (as he clearly was) to discredit Goncalo Amaral.
He had a much, much wider brief than that.
He was actively involved with Metodo 3 in planning the two searches for Madeleine's bones which took place for one week at the end of January 2008 and again in March that year. The rather loose-lipped Correia actually gave us all the information we needed about this by boasting how had met with both Francisco Marco and Antonio Giminez Raso, his lead Madeleine McCann investigator, at the Arada Dam on 10 December 2007. This meeting was quite an event, since to meet there would involve Marco and Giminez Raso travelling several hundred miles from Barcelona, Spain, and Correia flying over from an island in the middle of the Atlantic - Madeira.
Who paid all those travelling costs, I wonder?
All of this and much much more wonderfully informative and entertaining material can be found in a lengthy interview given by Correia to Portuguese journalist, José Leite, from the magazine O Crime, in December 2008. In this interview, he spoke about a book he was writing that ‘mixed truth and fiction’ (perhaps a bit like himself in real life), titled: “The Little Girls that Came from the Stars”. He said it contained references to the hunt for Madeleine McCann.
My favourite part of this article is this quote from Correia:
“Método 3 submitted me to a test in order to prove beyond all doubt whether or not my mediumistic abilities and my accounts were credible. They were fed up with following false leads. The fact is that the test gave totally positive results, according to what was confirmed to me personally by the Director of Método 3 in Barcelona himself. Following my mediumistic abilties passing Método 3’s stringent tests, Método 3 offered full support to my research. But given the fact that Maddie’s parents preferred to spend the decreasing money from the Find Madeleine Fund mainly following leads based on the belief that their daughter was still alive, they dismissed the possibility of paying professional divers to search the dam. So I offered myself to pay for the first phase of the searches in the dam, having later received much support, including financial support, from mediums and spiritualists who believed in and corroborated my theory”.
It is hard to comprehend how a group of people who included the nation's Head of Media Monitoring, a prominent north-western Solicitor, the Cheshire businessman worth £250 million who headed up the McCann Team's investigation and of course two General Practitioners, could have ever employed such people in what was supposed to be a diligent search for a missing three-year-old.
Title: Re: Marcos Aragão Correia's OTHER campaigns
Post by: Alfie on January 04, 2017, 12:00:33 PM
One very important element that appears to be entirely absent from this thread so far is that Marcos Aragao Correia was not only employed (as he clearly was) to discredit Goncalo Amaral.
He had a much, much wider brief than that.
He was actively involved with Metodo 3 in planning the two searches for Madeleine's bones which took place for one week at the end of January 2008 and again in March that year. The rather loose-lipped Correia actually gave us all the information we needed about this by boasting how had met with both Francisco Marco and Antonio Giminez Raso, his lead Madeleine McCann investigator, at the Arada Dam on 10 December 2007. This meeting was quite an event, since to meet there would involve Marco and Giminez Raso travelling several hundred miles from Barcelona, Spain, and Correia flying over from an island in the middle of the Atlantic - Madeira.
Who paid all those travelling costs, I wonder?
All of this and much much more wonderfully informative and entertaining material can be found in a lengthy interview given by Correia to Portuguese journalist, José Leite, from the magazine O Crime, in December 2008. In this interview, he spoke about a book he was writing that ‘mixed truth and fiction’ (perhaps a bit like himself in real life), titled: “The Little Girls that Came from the Stars”. He said it contained references to the hunt for Madeleine McCann.
My favourite part of this article is this quote from Correia:
“Método 3 submitted me to a test in order to prove beyond all doubt whether or not my mediumistic abilities and my accounts were credible. They were fed up with following false leads. The fact is that the test gave totally positive results, according to what was confirmed to me personally by the Director of Método 3 in Barcelona himself. Following my mediumistic abilties passing Método 3’s stringent tests, Método 3 offered full support to my research. But given the fact that Maddie’s parents preferred to spend the decreasing money from the Find Madeleine Fund mainly following leads based on the belief that their daughter was still alive, they dismissed the possibility of paying professional divers to search the dam. So I offered myself to pay for the first phase of the searches in the dam, having later received much support, including financial support, from mediums and spiritualists who believed in and corroborated my theory”.
It is hard to comprehend how a group of people who included the nation's Head of Media Monitoring, a prominent north-western Solicitor, the Cheshire businessman worth £250 million who headed up the McCann Team's investigation and of course two General Practitioners, could have ever employed such people in what was supposed to be a diligent search for a missing three-year-old.
All very amusing, but have you any actual proof of the statement of yours which I have bolded above, and which seems to be what this thread is seeking to determine?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2017, 12:36:56 PM
Absolutely no cites to support anything here Just a link from slarti that doesn't even include the phrase claimed
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2017, 12:46:40 PM
Then again, no matter what is said, you will deny it.
I have seen no post which supports the target is hit Statement Slarti posted a link that didn't even mention the quote Give me a specific link that shows beyond reasonable doubt that Correia made this statement You cant
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: ferryman on January 04, 2017, 12:55:44 PM
Cites are worse than no use on this board.
That is, as often as not, there's nothing wrong with the cites, but people just choose to ignore or disregard them.
I have provided the cite over and over that proves Harrison was tasked to investigate that Madeleine was murdered.
Actually there are innumerable cites, all from Harrison's reports, and people won't accept that the shelved enquiry was a murder enquiry, in part I suspect, because Amaral ignorantly blustered that no one talked about murder.
And, in part because that is the proof of the deal put to Kate and Gerry.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2017, 01:06:10 PM
I have seen no post which supports the target is hit Statement Slarti posted a link that didn't even mention the quote Give me a specific link that shows beyond reasonable doubt that Correia made this statement You cant
It is beyond any doubt, Correia was employed to go after Amaral.
Your continued denials, merely highlights your function on this forum.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2017, 01:27:43 PM
That's because there is no doubt that several individuals were involved in a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. This was the real criminal act and nothing to do with finding Maddie.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2017, 01:32:03 PM
It is beyond any doubt, Correia was employed to go after Amaral.
Your continued denials, merely highlights your function on this forum.
You have failed to provide any sort of support for your claim of The target has been hit That is because you can't A complete waste of time asking for a cite On that basis the claim is a myth imo
Title: Re: Marcos Aragão Correia's OTHER campaigns
Post by: Angelo222 on January 04, 2017, 01:32:44 PM
One very important element that appears to be entirely absent from this thread so far is that Marcos Aragao Correia was not only employed (as he clearly was) to discredit Goncalo Amaral.
He had a much, much wider brief than that.
He was actively involved with Metodo 3 in planning the two searches for Madeleine's bones which took place for one week at the end of January 2008 and again in March that year. The rather loose-lipped Correia actually gave us all the information we needed about this by boasting how had met with both Francisco Marco and Antonio Giminez Raso, his lead Madeleine McCann investigator, at the Arada Dam on 10 December 2007. This meeting was quite an event, since to meet there would involve Marco and Giminez Raso travelling several hundred miles from Barcelona, Spain, and Correia flying over from an island in the middle of the Atlantic - Madeira.
Who paid all those travelling costs, I wonder?
All of this and much much more wonderfully informative and entertaining material can be found in a lengthy interview given by Correia to Portuguese journalist, José Leite, from the magazine O Crime, in December 2008. In this interview, he spoke about a book he was writing that ‘mixed truth and fiction’ (perhaps a bit like himself in real life), titled: “The Little Girls that Came from the Stars”. He said it contained references to the hunt for Madeleine McCann.
My favourite part of this article is this quote from Correia:
“Método 3 submitted me to a test in order to prove beyond all doubt whether or not my mediumistic abilities and my accounts were credible. They were fed up with following false leads. The fact is that the test gave totally positive results, according to what was confirmed to me personally by the Director of Método 3 in Barcelona himself. Following my mediumistic abilties passing Método 3’s stringent tests, Método 3 offered full support to my research. But given the fact that Maddie’s parents preferred to spend the decreasing money from the Find Madeleine Fund mainly following leads based on the belief that their daughter was still alive, they dismissed the possibility of paying professional divers to search the dam. So I offered myself to pay for the first phase of the searches in the dam, having later received much support, including financial support, from mediums and spiritualists who believed in and corroborated my theory”.
It is hard to comprehend how a group of people who included the nation's Head of Media Monitoring, a prominent north-western Solicitor, the Cheshire businessman worth £250 million who headed up the McCann Team's investigation and of course two General Practitioners, could have ever employed such people in what was supposed to be a diligent search for a missing three-year-old.
Correia has much to answer for, unsurprising that he has done a bunk! I viewed the CMTV footage of what Correia said when he came out of court after seeing Amaral and his colleague sentenced while the other inspectors were cleared. For some reason it has been removed from the link article. Redblossom probably has a copy but she is on a sabbatical.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Angelo222 on January 04, 2017, 01:38:19 PM
You have failed to provide any sort of support for your claim of The target has been hit That is because you can't A complete waste of time asking for a cite On that basis the claim is a myth imo
Regardless of your opinion the facts and evidence are beyond doubt as regards Correia and Metodo3 and their mission.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: carlymichelle on January 04, 2017, 01:38:38 PM
That's because there is no doubt that several individuals were involved in a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. This was the real criminal act and nothing to do with finding Maddie.
exactly!!!
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2017, 01:39:23 PM
That's because there is no doubt that several individuals were involved in a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. This was the real criminal act and nothing to do with finding Maddie.
Without a cite there is every doubt Apart from amaral who has been proven in court to have lied
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on January 04, 2017, 01:40:08 PM
13.02.2009 19h43 Method 3, the Spanish detective agency hired by the McCanns, tried to seduce Leonor Cipriano's lawyer to change course of defense. The agency's operatives wanted to make Gonçalo Amaral - the former PJ coordinator of Portimão and responsible for the investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine and Joana, daughter of Leonor Cipriano - the main target, through the intersection of both cases. The contact was made even during the time that Spanish detectives were investigating the case of Madeleine McCann, 3, who disappeared in Praia da Luz, Algarve, on May 3, 2007. Agency operatives contacted the Algarve attorney, João Grid of the Saints, requesting him support in the investigations. "They told me that they contacted me because I was working on an issue that, they said, had similarities," says the lawyer. João Grade dos Santos aroused the interest of Method 3 for defending Leonor Cipriano in a case in which Gonçalo Amaral was accused, accused by the Public Prosecutor's Office of failure to report acts of torture, carried out by three other PJ inspectors during the Interrogation of Joana Cipriano's mother. The lawsuit, which is still ongoing, involves 5 elements of the Judiciary and was opened following a complaint lodged by the director of the Odemira chain. In February of 2005, the Expresso published a set of photographs of Leonor Cipriano, where the prisoner appears marked in the eyes and the face. The marks denounced an aggression. Joana's mother, the 8-year-old girl who had disappeared in 2004 in the village of Figueira, Algarve, had been sentenced to 16 years in jail for the death and concealment of her daughter's corpse. In the contact they made with João Grade dos Santos, Method 3 detectives spoke specifically about Gonçalo Amaral: "Obviously they had to talk: he was the most popular inspector of the moment," the lawyer mocks. Concludes. In the approach, the detectives highlighted the advantages of the proposal: "they told me that money for expenses was not a problem", stresses the lawyer. Leonor Cipriano was defended by João Grade dos Santos throughout the investigation phase but, on the eve of the start of the trial, the client waived the services of the lawyer. Leonor Cipriano was defended by João Grade dos Santos throughout the investigation phase but, on the eve of the start of the trial, the client waived the services of the lawyer. Months after rejecting the proposed collaboration with Method 3, João Grade dos Santos was replaced by Marcos Aragão Correia, a young lawyer with an office in Madeira. He was known for a fleeting, but symbolic, passage through the continent: Aragão Correia had participated in the search for Madeleine, as a medium. The lawyer had had visions of the girl's corpse in the dam of the Arade River in Silves. "The Judicial Police," he acknowledges, "completely devalued these clues, even though I was a lawyer, and Method 3 was already very interested," he adds. But the agency's interest would be rooted in another goal: the detectives needed a lawyer to take over the Maddie and Joana cases. Aragão Correia accepted what the Grail of the Saints had rejected: "The detectives came to me and told me - we are very concerned because there is a common element in the two cases, Gonçalo Amaral, who is not interested in looking for children, It happened in the Maddie case and also in the Joana case - Method 3 asked me to get involved in the case, she did not ask me to be a lawyer for Leonor, she asked me to do some investigations as a lawyer. " Marcos Aragão Correia accepted the challenge and when he consulted the case Joana immediately identified with the thesis of the Spanish detectives. "I was indignant - remember - I thought that Mr. Gonçalo Amaral had a hidden interest in systematically incriminating the mothers, without having evidence against them. Continuing his interest in the case, Marcos Aragão Correia visits Leonor Cipriano in Odemira's jail and ends up leaving the visit very close to becoming João Grade dos Santos's substitute: "It was Leonor who asked me. No one had ever defended it.After much reflection I decided to accept, and I communicated to Dr. João Grade dos Santos the decision of Leonor " As soon as Marcos Aragão Correia assumed the defense of Leonor, the process, related to the trial of Faro against the 5 inspectors of the PJ, changes course. It is the person who assumes this inversion: "The great nightmare of Gonçalo Amaral was me to have entered the case", alerts. Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, a former PJ inspector and one of Faro's five defendants, accuses Marcos Aragão Correia of having tried to "do business" with the defendants. "And this business was: accuse all Gonçalo Amaral that I make Leonor Cipriano say that you have nothing to do with this - now these agreements, only in Hollywood!" Exclaims Pereira Cristovão. Marcos Aragão Correia does not deny the existence of the agreement, but argues that it is related to "an outburst of one of the defendants" that came to his ears. "This defendant sent an email to a friend of mine where he pointed out the blame for Gonçalo Amaral", denounces the lawyer. Marcos Aragão Correia confesses that the negative opinion, on the way Gonçalo Amaral investigated the cases Maddie and Joana, not only sharing with Method 3, contracted by the Mcccan couple. The lawyer feeds the riddle: "If I'm taking sides with one of the parties, it's obvious that this party is giving me moral support." Aragão Correia just does not clarify who, really, will be behind this puzzle: "the confidentiality contract that binds me to Method 3 prevents me from divulging details regarding private investigation," he concludes.Contacted by SIC, Method 3 understood not to pronounce. Already the spokesman of the couple McCann, claims that the family does not comment angles that considers negative
IMO the most relevant fact is that Metado3 apparently waited MONTHS before approaching Correia to help Leonor in her case and this was after they had been replaced as the main McCann investigation team. The events certainly do not support a concerted effort to discredit Amaral.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2017, 01:41:35 PM
Regardless of your opinion the facts and evidence are beyond doubt as regards Correia and Metodo3 and their mission.
at least I post imo whereas you have made a claim re Target has been hit Provided no evidence and claimed it as a fact Try providing a cite otherwise put imo
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2017, 01:43:47 PM
Much of this thread is oiniom Posing as fact with no cites given
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Angelo222 on January 04, 2017, 01:56:43 PM
IMO the most relevant fact is that Metado3 apparently waited MONTHS before approaching Correia to help Leonor in her case and this was after they had been replaced as the main McCann investigation team. The events certainly do not support a concerted effort to discredit Amaral.
Problem about that is we don't know who contacted Correia and when. All that is certain is that Correia appeared out of the mist proclaiming to know where Maddie was hidden and then proceeded to represent Leonor Cipriano free of charge without being asked. Quite the nobel lawyer eh?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Angelo222 on January 04, 2017, 01:59:53 PM
Problem about that is we don't know who contacted Correia and when. All that is certain is that Correia appeared out of the mist proclaiming to know where Maddie was hidden and then proceeded to represent Leonor Cipriano free of charge without being asked. Quite the nobel lawyer eh?
appeared out of the mist Could you stick to known facts It's just your opinion
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Alfie on January 04, 2017, 02:07:20 PM
Problem about that is we don't know who contacted Correia and when. All that is certain is that Correia appeared out of the mist proclaiming to know where Maddie was hidden and then proceeded to represent Leonor Cipriano free of charge without being asked. Quite the nobel lawyer eh?
He's won a prize now too has he? @)(++(*
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2017, 02:56:14 PM
So where has Correia disappeared to ?
Is it Madeira, after his 'Charley's Aunt' ? 8)--))
He could be drinking his sorrows in Madeira.
If he was such a good lawyer , why hasn't he been inundated with work ?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2017, 04:45:37 PM
Good to see someone posting on topic Does this link include the statement in question On a quick look no but can put through google translate tomorrow So still no cite I would think If there was a translation slarti would have posted it So does slarti know what the link he has posted actually sAys Probably not
Yes, I know what it says as it was accompanied by a translation. I knew that posting the translation rather than the original would probably not be accepted so just posted the original. It doesn't contain the target hit comment but supports the point that he was brought on board to discredit GA.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alfie on January 04, 2017, 05:27:11 PM
Out of interest, this discrediting he's alleged to have done - was it unfair and unfounded? What was it anyway?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2017, 06:49:03 PM
In the case of Correia, would it be a case of the pot calling the kettle black ?
I have no problem saying Amaral made mistakes, because he did.
However, I doubt whether there is a perfect police officer, let alone investigation.
Perhaps a thread can be started in due course when OG closes down, to analyse that.
I was curious what this actual campaign to discredit consisted of though - eg did he use unfounded allegations? Because "a campaign to discredit" sounds like he's being accused of dishonest tactics to me. I have no real view on this as I don't know or remember what Correia is supposed to have done to "discredit" Amaral specifically (excuse my ignorance).
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2017, 07:40:23 PM
I was curious what this actual campaign to discredit consisted of though - eg did he use unfounded allegations? Because "a campaign to discredit" sounds like he's being accused of dishonest tactics to me. I have no real view on this as I don't know or remember what Correia is supposed to have done to "discredit" Amaral specifically (excuse my ignorance).
We would have to go through the 'history' between the two men to do that thoroughly.
Well Alfie, he did try to persuade 4 of Amaral's colleagues to do a 'deal' implicating Amaral.
Now I believe in this country that could be labelled as interfering with witnesses, which I believe is a criminal offence.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Brietta on January 05, 2017, 12:10:14 AM
Once Marcos Aragão Correia took over the management of Leonore Cipriano's case against the men accused of beating her to a pulp while she was in police custody it seems that it developed a more positive direction.
Nor does it seem that Marcos Aragão Correia had any compunction on setting his sights on Goncalo Amaral.
For why?
No idea at all.
Maybe he is just a decent guy who harbours a total disregard for torturers or those who cover up for torturers.
Covering up a criminal offence is actually a heinous thing to do and I think covering up torture ranks as one of the lowest. The implication is summed up as follows ... " ... in an active cover-up, deception is used The expression is usually applied to people in positions of authority who abuse power to avoid or silence criticism or to deflect guilt of wrongdoing." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover-up
Anyway, I found it interesting that Amaral supporters are still providing links to the opinions of Paulo Pereira Cristóvão ... I thought he was now persona non grata so it is good to see that some weight still attaches to his pronouncements in some circles whereas in others they are still treated with the contempt they always merited.
Quote Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, former PJ's and one of 5 accused of Faro, accuses Marcos Aragão Correia had been trying to make "a deal" with the defendants. "And this business was: Gonçalo Amaral all charge what do I do with that Leonor Cipriano say you have nothing to do with this-now these agreements, only in Hollywood!" quips Pereira Cristovão. http://sicnoticias.sapo.pt/programas/reportagemsic/2009-02-13-detectives-contratados-pelos-mccann-quiseram-tramar-goncalo-amaral
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 12:15:15 AM
Yes, I know what it says as it was accompanied by a translation. I knew that posting the translation rather than the original would probably not be accepted so just posted the original. It doesn't contain the target hit comment but supports the point that he was brought on board to discredit GA.
So still no support for the target was hit Sounds like a myth
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2017, 01:56:03 AM
Once Marcos Aragão Correia took over the management of Leonore Cipriano's case against the men accused of beating her to a pulp while she was in police custody it seems that it developed a more positive direction.
Nor does it seem that Marcos Aragão Correia had any compunction on setting his sights on Goncalo Amaral.
For why?
No idea at all.
Maybe he is just a decent guy who harbours a total disregard for torturers or those who cover up for torturers.
Covering up a criminal offence is actually a heinous thing to do and I think covering up torture ranks as one of the lowest. The implication is summed up as follows ... " ... in an active cover-up, deception is used The expression is usually applied to people in positions of authority who abuse power to avoid or silence criticism or to deflect guilt of wrongdoing." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover-up
Anyway, I found it interesting that Amaral supporters are still providing links to the opinions of Paulo Pereira Cristóvão ... I thought he was now persona non grata so it is good to see that some weight still attaches to his pronouncements in some circles whereas in others they are still treated with the contempt they always merited.
Quote Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, former PJ's and one of 5 accused of Faro, accuses Marcos Aragão Correia had been trying to make "a deal" with the defendants. "And this business was: Gonçalo Amaral all charge what do I do with that Leonor Cipriano say you have nothing to do with this-now these agreements, only in Hollywood!" quips Pereira Cristovão. http://sicnoticias.sapo.pt/programas/reportagemsic/2009-02-13-detectives-contratados-pelos-mccann-quiseram-tramar-goncalo-amaral
Fascinating.
However, but an inevitable backing of Correia by a McCann supporter, to the exclusion of all else.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2017, 01:57:00 AM
However, but an inevitable backing of Correia by a McCann supporter, to the exclusion of all else.
Marcos Aragão Correia appears to be an honourable man who defended his client in court to the best of his ability. In doing so he highlighted Goncalo Amaral's malfeasance.
Goncalo Amaral is a convicted criminal; only in a topsy-turvy environment or a parallel universe could Marcos Aragão Correia be considered the villain and Goncalo Amaral the hero.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Angelo222 on January 05, 2017, 03:29:04 AM
Marcos Aragão Correia appears to be an honourable man who defended his client in court to the best of his ability. In doing so he highlighted Goncalo Amaral's malfeasance.
Goncalo Amaral is a convicted criminal; only in a topsy-turvy environment or a parallel universe could Marcos Aragão Correia be considered the villain and Goncalo Amaral the hero.
Maybe you hadn't noticed but Marcos Correia is a fantasist who needs help imo.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 03:39:59 AM
You have not supplied anything of substance to support the accusation The one report we have from outside the court doesn't mention it You are in denial
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 03:46:27 AM
Maybe you hadn't noticed but Marcos Correia is a fantasist who needs help imo.
You are aware Amaral sued him and lost You know nothing about him apart from what has been posted online by amaral supporters which means none of it is verified You have been duped imo
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2017, 05:54:19 AM
Marcos Aragão Correia appears to be an honourable man who defended his client in court to the best of his ability. In doing so he highlighted Goncalo Amaral's malfeasance.
Goncalo Amaral is a convicted criminal; only in a topsy-turvy environment or a parallel universe could Marcos Aragão Correia be considered the villain and Goncalo Amaral the hero.
Well if you had bothered to search through his history , honourable is not a term I would ever describe to Correia.
Look at the example I gave a few hours ago.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2017, 05:55:49 AM
We would have to go through the 'history' between the two men to do that thoroughly.
Well Alfie, he did try to persuade 4 of Amaral's colleagues to do a 'deal' implicating Amaral.
Now I believe in this country that could be labelled as interfering with witnesses, which I believe is a criminal offence.
If that is the case then why IYO wasn't he arrested by the PJ for the criminal offence of 'interfering with witnesses' - especially as they would have had at least 4 witnesses to such criminal behaviour - and so could easily prove the case against him?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2017, 09:05:37 AM
If that is the case then why IYO wasn't he arrested by the PJ for the criminal offence of 'interfering with witnesses' - especially as they would have had at least 4 witnesses to such criminal behaviour - and so could easily prove the case against him?
He should have been.
No doubt about it.
In the UK , he would be serving time.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 09:16:20 AM
So why isn't he serving time in PT with such a strong case against him? If what you claim is true then why would the PJ miss such a golden opportunity of a successful prosecution? Why would the PJ turn a blind eye to such a criminal act - when they had several witnesses to call upon to support their case? That makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2017, 09:28:19 AM
So why isn't he serving time in PT with such a strong case against him? If what you claim is true then why would the PJ miss such a golden opportunity of a successful prosecution? Why would the PJ turn a blind eye to such a criminal act - when they had several witnesses to call upon to support their case? That makes no sense to me.
It isn't a claim Benice, he admitted it.
As to why he wasn't..................
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 09:30:05 AM
So why isn't he serving time in PT with such a strong case against him? If what you claim is true then why would the PJ miss such a golden opportunity of a successful prosecution? Why would the PJ turn a blind eye to such a criminal act - when they had several witnesses to call upon to support their case? That makes no sense to me.
Amaral sued correia and lost..... he was totally humiliated. Any suggestion that is is true and amaral missed the opportunity to ask his pals to report a crime is ridiculous The claim is obviously false
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 09:31:10 AM
Amaral sued correia and lost..... he was totally humiliated. Any suggestion that is is true and amaral missed the opportunity to ask his pals to report a crime is ridiculous The claim is obviously false
It's not Amaral facing total humiliation .
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2017, 09:44:21 AM
You haven't answered my question. If the evidence against him was so strong that a prosecution in the UK would have led to a prison sentence IYO, then why didn't the PJ prosecute him?
Could it be that they are not as competent as the UK police IYO?
or
Could it be that there was no prosecution because there was no evidence to support one?
Personally I believe the second option to be the reason as I do not believe the PJ would allow such a criminal act to go unprosecuted in the knowledge that they had the necessary evidence to charge him and procure a successful prosecution. What other reason could there be for their lack of action?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2017, 09:57:55 AM
You haven't answered my question. If the evidence against him was so strong that a prosecution in the UK would have led to a prison sentence IYO, then why didn't the PJ prosecute him?
Could it be that they are not as competent as the UK police IYO?
or
Could it be that there was no prosecution because there was no evidence to support one?
Personally I believe the second option to be the reason as I do not believe the PJ would allow such a criminal act to go unprosecuted in the knowledge that they had the necessary evidence to charge him and procure a successful prosecution. What other reason could there be for their lack of action?
As I said Benice, he admitted it.
I don't know how the Portuguese system works, but it would surely in the equivalent of the CPS,if there is one.
Perhaps S.I.L. can enlighten us on this, or Montclair.
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2017, 09:58:51 AM
I don't know how the Portuguese system works, but it would surely in the equivalent of the CPS,if there is one.
Perhaps S.I.L. can enlighten us on this, or Montclair.
It seems highly unlikely to me that anyone - let alone a lawyer - would admit to deliberately breaking the law - thus risking a visit from the police armed with his 'confession' plus statements from 4 witnesses - and insodoing actually inviting a subsequent prosecution/prison sentence.
On the other hand it seems very likely that as no arrest or prosecution by the PJ took place - it must be because there was no credible evidence in existence to warrant such action. Unless there is evidence that the PJ were simply incompetent then there cannot possibly be any other reason. IMO.
It's just plain common sense.
Title: Re: Re Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 11:08:47 AM
Isn't it time dave you stopped typing the denials, when anyone with access to the internet, can find it for themselves.
The cites are already on this thread.
You have claimed he admitted it in relation to offering a deal to amaral gellow officers You claim the cite is on the thread If you can produce it I will apologise
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2017, 11:14:34 AM
It seems highly unlikely to me that anyone - let alone a lawyer - would admit to deliberately breaking the law - thus risking a visit from the police armed with his 'confession' plus statements from 4 witnesses - and insodoing actually inviting a subsequent prosecution/prison sentence.
On the other hand it seems very likely that as no arrest or prosecution by the PJ took place - it must be because there was no credible evidence in existence to warrant such action. Unless there is evidence that the PJ were simply incompetent then there cannot possibly be any other reason. IMO.
It's just plain common sense.
He did Benice.
It is a matter of record.
Denying it , is rather foolish.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on January 05, 2017, 11:28:22 AM
If there was any evidence of wrongdoing in relation to Correia & the defendants, Cabrita would have included it in the complaint he made.
http://www.destak.pt/artigo/47639 CASE OF JOAN Order of the Lawyers files a complaint for alleged illegalities of Aragão Correia 08 | 12 | 2009 20.00H Gonçalo Amaral, a former inspector of the Judicial Police (PJ), alleged in the complaint submitted to the Ethics Board by the lawyer Antonio Cabrita that Marcos Aragão Correia had several procedures considered illegal in the defense of Joana's mother, a child who disappeared in 2004, in the village of Figueira , Portimão.
Among other acts, the former coordinator of the Department of Criminal Investigation of PJ de Portimão accused Aragão Correia of having spoken with Leonor Cipriano in prison without authorization of the then lawyer of the mother of Joana, João Grade dos Santos, before the trial of five current and Former PJ inspectors.
According to a document to which the Lusa news agency had access today, the Deontology Council announced Monday that it considered that there was no illegitimacy on the part of Aragão Correia, who defended Leonor Cipriano at the hearings at the Faro Court, in which two former PJ were sentenced to suspended sentences for the crimes of falsification of testimony and falsification of document and three others were acquitted of the practice of crime of torture.
Council of Deontology of the Madeira District Council of the Bar Association, which also dismissed two other complaints in different disciplinary proceedings at the meeting on 12 November, also understood that Aragão Correia was not responsible for having made public the report of the Association Against (ACED), according to the same document. As an ACED jurist, Aragão Correia drafted the document during his visit to Leonor Cipriano, serving a sentence of 16 years and six months for the crimes of murder and concealment of a corpse in the Odemira Prison, and several excerpts, some with judgments Of value on the reported facts, were made public.
The "Joana affair" has been in the courts since 2005. After the conviction confirmed by the Supreme Court of Justice (STJ) of Leonor Cipriano and her brother, João Cipriano, to serve the same sentence in the Prison of Sintra, Of five current and former PJ inspectors, with a sentence read on May 22 of this year.
In addition to appeals to the Evora Court of Appeal, Aragão Correia requested the STJ to review the sentence imposed on Leonor Cipriano, which is heard on Wednesday at the Court of Appeal of Évora.
On the sidelines, Leandro Silva, companion of Leonor Cipriano, accused Gonçalo Amaral of alleged co-authorship of the crime of torture. The Public Ministry was an assistant and the former inspector requested the opening of the investigation.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2017, 11:35:47 AM
REPLY 101 ON THIS THREAD
Sources, reply 105.
' Dealing with suspicions that in agreeing to defend Leonor Cipriano, he was being paid by someone who is very interested in ensuring that Gonçalo Amaral is convicted of a crime, or at least that his reputation is damaged - because of his public comments about Madeleine probably having died in Apartment 5A in Praia da Luz – he retorted to the court: “I don't get paid in pounds or in euros. I am here for principles, and my objective is to set free Leonor Cipriano”.
During the court session held on Monday 3 November, it emerged that Marcos Aragão Correia had made efforts to do a deal with the four detectives under Amaral’s command. The lawyer defending the four detectives said he had received an approach from Aragão Correia, proposing a very dirty deal.
Aragão Correia, he said, had asked him to consider a deal whereby, in exchange for the four detectives all agreeing to testify against Goncalo Amaral, and state that it was Amaral who gave the order to torture Leonor Cipriano, he would ensure that the charges against the four detectives were re-drawn so that their sentences would be greatly reduced. Hey would not get a custodial sentence, he promised. '
Now, about your promise. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 11:40:29 AM
' Dealing with suspicions that in agreeing to defend Leonor Cipriano, he was being paid by someone who is very interested in ensuring that Gonçalo Amaral is convicted of a crime, or at least that his reputation is damaged - because of his public comments about Madeleine probably having died in Apartment 5A in Praia da Luz – he retorted to the court: “I don't get paid in pounds or in euros. I am here for principles, and my objective is to set free Leonor Cipriano”.
During the court session held on Monday 3 November, it emerged that Marcos Aragão Correia had made efforts to do a deal with the four detectives under Amaral’s command. The lawyer defending the four detectives said he had received an approach from Aragão Correia, proposing a very dirty deal.
Aragão Correia, he said, had asked him to consider a deal whereby, in exchange for the four detectives all agreeing to testify against Goncalo Amaral, and state that it was Amaral who gave the order to torture Leonor Cipriano, he would ensure that the charges against the four detectives were re-drawn so that their sentences would be greatly reduced. Hey would not get a custodial sentence, he promised. '
Now, about your promise. 8)-)))
Where in that statement does correia admit to trying to influence witnesses Your cite is there There is absolutely no admission None whatsoever As I correctly predicted
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Angelo222 on January 05, 2017, 11:53:07 AM
We have seen more evidence of a campaign to discredit correia
Correia did that all on his own with his lies and the fact he was thrown out of court by a magistrate and reported to the Portuguese law society for malpractice. How that idiot isn't disbarred by now is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 11:55:11 AM
Correia did that all on his own with his lies and the fact he was thrown out of court by a magistrate and reported to the Portuguese law society for malpractice. How that idiot isn't disbarred by now is anyone's guess.
What lies did he tell Cite
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2017, 11:57:40 AM
Cite Your claims are becoming more and more bizarre There is no record anywhere of him admitting this
Do you ever do research before you post nonsense? Correia admitted approaching the defendants and offering them deals if they would point the finger at Amaral.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 12:04:30 PM
Do you ever do research before you post nonsense? Correia admitted approaching the defendants and offering them deals if they would point the finger at Amaral.
You have not supplied a link to show any admission
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Angelo222 on January 05, 2017, 12:05:09 PM
You haven't answered my question. If the evidence against him was so strong that a prosecution in the UK would have led to a prison sentence IYO, then why didn't the PJ prosecute him?
Could it be that they are not as competent as the UK police IYO?
or
Could it be that there was no prosecution because there was no evidence to support one?
Personally I believe the second option to be the reason as I do not believe the PJ would allow such a criminal act to go unprosecuted in the knowledge that they had the necessary evidence to charge him and procure a successful prosecution. What other reason could there be for their lack of action?
One word...POLITICAL
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Benice on January 05, 2017, 12:06:19 PM
Oh let's see, he first claimed seeing Maddie at a dam in a dream then changed his story claiming he was told to search the Arade Dam by an informer. The man is a fantasist pure and simple.
You really need to stop disrupting this thread davel, warning issued.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Angelo222 on January 05, 2017, 12:26:08 PM
Oh let's see, he first claimed seeing Maddie at a dam in a dream then changed his story claiming he was told to search the Arade Dam by an informer. The man is a fantasist pure and simple.
You are believing gossip from pro amaral sites You have no real cites to support anything you have just posted
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 12:28:03 PM
No You are just coming up with things that have nothing to support them
I'm not playing your little game. There is a huge amount of material on the internet about Correia, his lies, his fantasist claims and testimony from those lawyers he attempted to coerce. Your denial of this is truly pathetic.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 12:33:33 PM
I'm not playing your little game. There is a huge amount of material on the internet about Correia, his lies, his fantasist claims and testimony from those lawyers he attempted to coerce. Your denial of this is truly pathetic.
The huge amount of material is on pro amaral site with absolutely nothing to support it If you wish to believe such junk it's up to you Which lawyers did he wish to co received That's a new one Lots of unsupported posts on pro amaral website That's all And your acceptance of this junk is pathetic
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: carlymichelle on January 05, 2017, 12:38:48 PM
8(0(* davel seems to take everything we say about the mcanns personally wonder why??
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: jassi on January 05, 2017, 12:39:30 PM
You are wasting your time Angelo. This man will argue that black is white and every shade in between, rather than concede the possibility of being wrong.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 12:42:15 PM
You are wasting your time Angelo. This man will argue that black is white and every shade in between, rather than concede the possibility of being wrong.
I'm quite happy to admit I'm wrong if someone posts something that has a cite What we are seeing here is lots of opinion posted as fact And much of it absolute junk
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: carlymichelle on January 05, 2017, 12:44:09 PM
what comes down to it is that GA didnt make maddie go missing it was the mcanns iresponsible parenting that did GA became the scapegoat for the mcanns and their supporters and now they have nothing else because his book is on sale etc davel being in denial doesnt make any diffrence
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Admin on January 05, 2017, 12:55:29 PM
I have already warned of the consequences of disrupting this thread. Members who continue to disrupt will be further sanctioned.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Benice on January 05, 2017, 01:03:37 PM
Oh let's see, he first claimed seeing Maddie at a dam in a dream then changed his story claiming he was told to search the Arade Dam by an informer. The man is a fantasist pure and simple.
You really need to stop disrupting this thread davel, warning issued.
And yet Kates's dream was deemed to have changed the whole course of the case? No mention of 'fantasing' by anyone in her case - in fact it was regarded as massively important evidence against her.
So on the one hand a dream proves the dreamer is a fantasist - and on the other hand a dream confirms the dreamer is not a fantasist but is probably guilty of a heinous crime.
What sort of logic is that?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 01:10:45 PM
So asking for cites is disruption but posting opinion as fact and refusing to provide cites is not disruption The whole of this thread is based on cut and pastes from extremely pro amaral sites That puts the criticism of correia into context and it seems to me there is a campaign from the amaral sites to discredit him
We have the transcript from outside court and nowhere does the phrase The target was hit feature
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Admin on January 05, 2017, 01:24:36 PM
So asking for cites is disruption but posting opinion as fact and refusing to provide cites is not disruption The whole of this thread is based on cut and pastes from extremely pro amaral sites That puts the criticism of correia into context and it seems to me there is a campaign from the amaral sites to discredit him
We have the transcript from outside court and nowhere does the phrase The target was hit feature
Are you calling Leonor Cipriano's former lawyer John Grade and the inspector's lawyers liars by any chance? If not, their evidence alone is extremely harmful to Sr Correia. Attempting to pervert the course of justice is a serious matter in any jurisdiction.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 01:33:11 PM
Are you calling Leonor Cipriano's former lawyer John Grade and the inspector's lawyers liars by any chance? If not, their evidence alone is extremely harmful to Sr Correia. Attempting to pervert the course of justice is a serious matter in any jurisdiction.
Do you have actual quotes from these lawyers That would be a good place to start
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 02:10:37 PM
Do you ever do research before you post nonsense? Correia admitted approaching the defendants and offering them deals if they would point the finger at Amaral.
Admitted where I don't accept unsubstantiated claims If you are claiming this as fact then you will have a cite Perhaps you could also explain in what capacity and on whose authority he made this offer Surely he had no role in the prosecution of the officers and was in no position to offer any deal
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: jassi on January 05, 2017, 02:15:55 PM
A 'deal' could have been a cash payment for services rendered.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 02:21:24 PM
So could someone explain how correia was able to offer a reduced sentence deal What influence did he have
You really take the biscuit davel. Its called cooperating with the prosecution. Correia has given a long interview on the subject which I'm sure you can find but just in case you can't the crux of it was that he made the suggestion to the defence lawyers that if their clients were to state that they were ordered to torture Cipriano by Amaral then the court would look upon them favourably.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 04:03:07 PM
You really take the biscuit davel. Its called cooperating with the prosecution. Correia has given a long interview on the subject which I'm sure you can find but just in case you can't the crux of it was that he made the suggestion to the defence lawyers that if their clients were to state that they were ordered to torture Cipriano by Amaral then the court would look upon them favourably.
So you are now saying he did not offer a deal but suggested they make a deal with the prosecution That's quite quite different and not as it has been portrayed my persistence has payed off And you still haven't provided a first hand account
So correia never offered any sort of deal Thank you so much
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: jassi on January 05, 2017, 04:12:16 PM
In the real world, what has your 'persistence' achieved ?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2017, 04:16:12 PM
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 06, 2017, 08:01:56 AM
so now we have the answer no evidence of any deal. There could not be any deal because correia was not in a position to make one. He could in no way promise reduced sentences and the whole idea he did is absurd. Im surprised that some mods and posters could just not see this and insisted on perpetuating a myth....at least this is one myth that has been well and truly debunked. Ive always claimed that those who disbelieve the mccannns do so because they are not very good at weighing up the evidence and that has been proved on this thread.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: slartibartfast on January 06, 2017, 08:07:51 AM
so now we have the answer no evidence of any deal. There could not be any deal because correia was not in a position to make one. He could in no way promise reduced sentences and the whole idea he did is absurd. Im surprised that some mods and posters could just not see this and insisted on perpetuating a myth....at least this is one myth that has been well and truly debunked. Ive always claimed that those who disbelieve the mccannns do so because they are not very good at wighing up the evidence and that has been proved on this thread.
Do you agree the myth that Kate was offered a deal has been debunked?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 06, 2017, 08:10:27 AM
All that we can see Slarti, is even when transcripts from court documents are presented, they will bhe denied by some.
None of the denials, of course will help the McCann's in the slightest.
However, the way to go now appears to be to deny any source or cite given.
That can clearly work in both directions.
the transcripts you have given are not from court documents # you promised a cite showing correia admitted to offering a deal.....you failed to produce one
Correia COULD NOT offer a deal...it would be impossible...angelo has supported that explain how Correia could offer a deal ....it is a stupid absurd idea
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 06, 2017, 08:26:47 AM
I hadn't realised that the report on the statewatch website used to "prove" the "torture" was written by Corriea's organisation.
Well, what can you say. &%+((£
Additionally, as revealed yesterday Slarti, it has become apparent, we can nothing for granted when some Mccann supporters give their word.
From reply 101 to 105
From the court reports/transcripts.
' Dealing with suspicions that in agreeing to defend Leonor Cipriano, he was being paid by someone who is very interested in ensuring that Gonçalo Amaral is convicted of a crime, or at least that his reputation is damaged - because of his public comments about Madeleine probably having died in Apartment 5A in Praia da Luz – he retorted to the court: “I don't get paid in pounds or in euros. I am here for principles, and my objective is to set free Leonor Cipriano”.
During the court session held on Monday 3 November, it emerged that Marcos Aragão Correia had made efforts to do a deal with the four detectives under Amaral’s command. The lawyer defending the four detectives said he had received an approach from Aragão Correia, proposing a very dirty deal.
Aragão Correia, he said, had asked him to consider a deal whereby, in exchange for the four detectives all agreeing to testify against Goncalo Amaral, and state that it was Amaral who gave the order to torture Leonor Cipriano, he would ensure that the charges against the four detectives were re-drawn so that their sentences would be greatly reduced. Hey would not get a custodial sentence, he promised. '
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 06, 2017, 08:27:30 AM
Additionally, as revealed yesterday Slarti, it has become apparent, we can nothing for granted when some Mccann supporters give their word.
you failed miserably to provide the cite you said you could. You claimed correia admitted to offering a deal when it has been shown the deal did not exist
Do not accuse me of breaking my word That is a serious insult
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: slartibartfast on January 06, 2017, 09:15:13 AM
Additionally, as revealed yesterday Slarti, it has become apparent, we can nothing for granted when some Mccann supporters give their word.
From reply 101 to 105
From the court reports/transcripts.
' Dealing with suspicions that in agreeing to defend Leonor Cipriano, he was being paid by someone who is very interested in ensuring that Gonçalo Amaral is convicted of a crime, or at least that his reputation is damaged - because of his public comments about Madeleine probably having died in Apartment 5A in Praia da Luz – he retorted to the court: “I don't get paid in pounds or in euros. I am here for principles, and my objective is to set free Leonor Cipriano”.
During the court session held on Monday 3 November, it emerged that Marcos Aragão Correia had made efforts to do a deal with the four detectives under Amaral’s command. The lawyer defending the four detectives said he had received an approach from Aragão Correia, proposing a very dirty deal.
Aragão Correia, he said, had asked him to consider a deal whereby, in exchange for the four detectives all agreeing to testify against Goncalo Amaral, and state that it was Amaral who gave the order to torture Leonor Cipriano, he would ensure that the charges against the four detectives were re-drawn so that their sentences would be greatly reduced. Hey would not get a custodial sentence, he promised. '
Stephen you have posted an accusation made against Correia by another lawyer and then claimed that the accusation is an admission by Correia himself.
Surely you can see that it isn't?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 06, 2017, 09:32:44 AM
You didn't answer my question - so I will have to take it that you regard an accusation made by one person against another person is the same as the other person admitting the said accusation is true.
If I accuse Joe Blogs of being an idiot - does that prove that Joe Blogs has admitted to being an idiot?
Of course it doesn't. That would be silly.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: ferryman on January 06, 2017, 10:03:47 AM
Philomena McCann's slight slip in describing the deal as a plea-bagain.
What of it?
Never forget that the article in The Guardian by Giles Tremlett was written before the files were released.
Tremlett seized on a slight terminological inaccuracy by Philomena McCann and lept to an erroneous assumption.
It is established (even if some people still choose to pretend otherwise) that Amaral headed up a murder enquiry, the culmination of which was that the McCanns were declared arguidos.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 06, 2017, 10:07:37 AM
Philomena McCann's slight slip in describing the deal as a plea-bagain.
What of it?
Never forget that the article in The Guardian by Giles Tremlett was written before the files were released.
Tremlett seized on a slight terminological inaccuracy by Philomena McCann and lept to an erroneous assumption.
It is established (even if some people still choose to pretend otherwise) that Amaral headed up a murder enquiry, the culmination of which was that the McCanns were declared arguidos.
It was a direct quote from here.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: jassi on January 06, 2017, 10:08:19 AM
Explained in the full context Tremlett didn't have when he wrote his article for the Guardian.
Quote
In considering the two scenarios that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body disposed of by a person on foot or in a vehicle, I have reflected on the areas within zone 1 that have been previously searched or subject to forensic examination.
(Mark Harrison)
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 06, 2017, 10:13:17 AM
You didn't answer my question - so I will have to take it that you regard an accusation made by one person against another person is the same as the other person admitting the said accusation is true.
If I accuse Joe Blogs of being an idiot - does that prove that Joe Blogs has admitted to being an idiot?
Of course it doesn't. That would be silly.
Correia is a proven liar.
As it stands now, I will not take for granted anything a Mccann supporter states in support of the McCann's as an undisputed fact.
Have you read through the court transcripts ?
You didn't answer that question.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 06, 2017, 10:14:38 AM
As it stands now, I will not take for granted anything a Mccann supporter states in support of the McCann's as an undisputed fact.
Have you read through the court transcripts ?
You didn't answer that question.
What court transcripts?. As far as I know none have been released to the public or published on the web. If I'm wrong then perhaps you can tell me where to find them. If you can that would be much appreciated.
Incidentally - you still haven't answered my question.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 06, 2017, 10:35:19 AM
What court transcripts?. As far as I know none have been released to the public or published on the web. If I'm wrong then perhaps you can tell me where to find them. If you can that would be much appreciated.
Incidentally - you still haven't answered my question.
Stephen THINKS he has posted court transcripts He is seriously confused He has posted some comments on the proceedings by an unknown author
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Angelo222 on January 06, 2017, 11:06:31 AM
Stephen THINKS he has posted court transcripts He is seriously confused He has posted some comments on the proceedings by an unknown author
And you have provided official commentary or cite from the man himself or anyone else in the know for that matter denying the comment? Have you not realised by now that this was all part of Correia's little game to embarrass Amaral and he enjoyed every moment of it?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Mr Gray on January 06, 2017, 11:13:30 AM
And you have provided official commentary or cite from the man himself or anyone else in the know for that matter denying the comment? Have you not realised by now that this was all part of Correia's little game to embarrass Amaral?
Let me tell you how it works If Stephen claims something is true he must post evidence to show it's true You have admitted no offer was made How could he have admitted it if no offer was made
Stephen also thinks he has posted court transcripts He hasnt
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 06, 2017, 11:22:52 AM
To explain again
The claim is ridiculous because correia could not make such an offer He had no power to make any sort of plea bargain Is is so difficult to understand
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: slartibartfast on January 06, 2017, 11:27:50 AM
The claim is ridiculous because correia could not make such an offer He had no power to make any sort of plea bargain Is is so difficult to understand
As the lawyer representing a witness I am sure he would be able to coach his witness into into emphasising certain aspects and minimising others. From the cites posted this appears to be his suggestion.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: slartibartfast on January 06, 2017, 11:32:55 AM
Let me tell you how it works If Stephen claims something is true he must post evidence to show it's true You have admitted no offer was made How could he have admitted it if no offer was made
Stephen also thinks he has posted court transcripts He hasnt
Numerous people have provided links to the commentary credited to Correia but not one pointed to any denial. In any event I remember watching the chaotic interview in full on CMTV so you can deny it until the cows come home, I know what I saw and heard.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Angelo222 on January 06, 2017, 02:58:48 PM
Numerous people have provided links to the commentary credited to Correia but not one pointed to any denial. In any event I remember watching the chaotic interview in full on CMTV so you can deny it until the cows come home, I know what I saw and heard.
so tell us what you saw and heard....how good is your portuguese
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 06, 2017, 03:17:23 PM
Numerous people have provided links to the commentary credited to Correia but not one pointed to any denial. In any event I remember watching the chaotic interview in full on CMTV so you can deny it until the cows come home, I know what I saw and heard.
i really want to press this point....what did you ee and hear
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: slartibartfast on January 06, 2017, 03:55:33 PM
so tell us what you saw and heard....how good is your portuguese
He was asked some questions in English if I recall and responded appropriately as he walked down the street. I know what I heard namely Amaral has been convicted...the target has been hit.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: ferryman on January 06, 2017, 04:04:19 PM
He was asked some questions in English if I recall and responded appropriately as he walked down the street. I know what I heard namely Amaral has been convicted...the target has been hit.
He said this in English
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Angelo222 on January 06, 2017, 04:09:56 PM
About suspects being beaten up in police custody also being illegal by Portuguese law?
Nope. Deadly serious.
About Giles Tremlett screwing up in the article he wrote for The Guardian?
Nope, deadly serious.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Angelo222 on January 06, 2017, 04:28:00 PM
‘Spanish detectives asked me to arrange for evidence against Gonçalo Amaral’
Source: O Crime, 4 December 2008, paper edition. Marcos Aragão Correia
Excerpts:
And why Maddie?
Concerning that issue, I obtained precious information with Método 3 (which I reveal in my book) concerning the status of the missing girl’s parents, who had very influent connections with the British government. Apart from that, one day before his daughter disappeared, Gerry received enigmatic coded messages on his mobile phone, which he failed to decipher. Was it a warning from someone connected to the British secret services, trying to warn him about the imminent abduction of his daughter?
But at what level did the parents relate to the British government: with the secret service?
My book also discusses that. There was privileged knowledge by the American secret services, through the English, about those parents’ entire life.
How did you appear in the defense of Joana’s mother?
Método 3 asked me to juridically investigate (to arrange for evidence and witnesses) the tortures by Mr Gonçalo Amaral, namely over Joana’s mother. According to them, this was a coordinator who had revealed an embarrassing ineptitude in the investigation of child abductions in the Algarve, systematically incriminating, without no evidence whatsoever, the missing girls’ mothers. I spoke to ACED and asked them if they were interested in me writing independent reports about Leonor and her brother, João Cipriano.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 06, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
Did you hear the answer in English Angelo
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: slartibartfast on January 06, 2017, 04:34:48 PM
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Angelo222 on January 06, 2017, 04:47:16 PM
Cipriano's lawyer confirms he was paid by McCanns to "investigate" Gonçalo Amaral
The lawyer says that he defends Joana’s mother for free and that the McCanns paid him to “investigate” Gonçalo Amaral
by Luís Maneta
“Was Dr Gonçalo Amaral in charge”; “Was Dr Gonçalo Amaral present?”; “Did Dr Gonçalo Amaral hit you?”. Gonçalo Amaral, Gonçalo Amaral, Gonçalo Amaral – this seems to be the obsession of Leonor Cipriano’s defense lawyer during the trial that opposes Joana’s mother to five Judiciária inspectors.
Three policemen stand accused of torture: Pereira Cristóvão, Leonel Marques and Paulo Marques Bom. But Leonor’s lawyer, Marcos Aragão Correia, has pointed his guns at Gonçalo Amaral, who in this process stands accused of false testimony and omission of denunciation.
“This doesn’t look like a trial in the Joana case but rather one in the Maddie case”, says a source that is connected to the defense of the former coordinator of the PJ in Portimão, who headed the investigations into the disappearance of both children and became a sort of “public enemy #1” for the McCann couple.
“A possible condemnation of Gonçalo Amaral in this process may make it easier for the English to prosecute the Portuguese state”, the source says.
They have paid the expenses
When confronted by 24Horas with the suspicions about his connection to the Maddie case, Marcos Aragão confirmed that he was already paid by persons that are connected to the McCanns. “They haven’t paid me honoraries but rather expenses due to transportation, lodging and food, in order to interview João Cipriano in prison”, the lawyer explained, adding that the purpose of the conversation was to “analyze” the procedures of Amaral as a PJ investigator.
Following the investigation – which originated a report from the Association Against Exclusion through Development (ACED) – Aragão Correia says that he accepted to represent Leonor Cipriano without charging one cent.
“I accepted this case for humanitarian reasons only. I am not receiving any honoraries”, the lawyer asserted, referring that the “attacks” against Gonçalo Amaral are linked to Leonor Cipriano’s strategy in this case: “It’s not an obsession. I can’t insist on the other arguidos because she has not identified them”.
Yesterday’s session at the Court in Faro was marked by a new contradiction from the plaintiff. On Monday, Leonor Cipriano had guaranteed that Gonçalo Amaral did not watch the questioning during which she allegedly suffered abuse in order to make her confess to her daughter’s death. Yesterday, Joana’s mother corrected her version: “Gonçalo Amaral beat me”. When questioned by the judge, she said she had recovered her memory after watching a report on television.
Source: 24Horas, 30 October 2008
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Mr Gray on January 06, 2017, 04:49:33 PM
Cipriano's lawyer confirms he was paid by McCanns to "investigate" Gonçalo Amaral
The lawyer says that he defends Joana’s mother for free and that the McCanns paid him to “investigate” Gonçalo Amaral
by Luís Maneta
“Was Dr Gonçalo Amaral in charge”; “Was Dr Gonçalo Amaral present?”; “Did Dr Gonçalo Amaral hit you?”. Gonçalo Amaral, Gonçalo Amaral, Gonçalo Amaral – this seems to be the obsession of Leonor Cipriano’s defense lawyer during the trial that opposes Joana’s mother to five Judiciária inspectors.
Three policemen stand accused of torture: Pereira Cristóvão, Leonel Marques and Paulo Marques Bom. But Leonor’s lawyer, Marcos Aragão Correia, has pointed his guns at Gonçalo Amaral, who in this process stands accused of false testimony and omission of denunciation.
“This doesn’t look like a trial in the Joana case but rather one in the Maddie case”, says a source that is connected to the defense of the former coordinator of the PJ in Portimão, who headed the investigations into the disappearance of both children and became a sort of “public enemy #1” for the McCann couple.
“A possible condemnation of Gonçalo Amaral in this process may make it easier for the English to prosecute the Portuguese state”, the source says.
They have paid the expenses
When confronted by 24Horas with the suspicions about his connection to the Maddie case, Marcos Aragão confirmed that he was already paid by persons that are connected to the McCanns. “They haven’t paid me honoraries but rather expenses due to transportation, lodging and food, in order to interview João Cipriano in prison”, the lawyer explained, adding that the purpose of the conversation was to “analyze” the procedures of Amaral as a PJ investigator.
Following the investigation – which originated a report from the Association Against Exclusion through Development (ACED) – Aragão Correia says that he accepted to represent Leonor Cipriano without charging one cent.
“I accepted this case for humanitarian reasons only. I am not receiving any honoraries”, the lawyer asserted, referring that the “attacks” against Gonçalo Amaral are linked to Leonor Cipriano’s strategy in this case: “It’s not an obsession. I can’t insist on the other arguidos because she has not identified them”.
Yesterday’s session at the Court in Faro was marked by a new contradiction from the plaintiff. On Monday, Leonor Cipriano had guaranteed that Gonçalo Amaral did not watch the questioning during which she allegedly suffered abuse in order to make her confess to her daughter’s death. Yesterday, Joana’s mother corrected her version: “Gonçalo Amaral beat me”. When questioned by the judge, she said she had recovered her memory after watching a report on television.
Source: 24Horas, 30 October 2008
You are avoiding a very important question Did correia reply in English outside the court
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Mr Gray on January 06, 2017, 05:02:11 PM
Cipriano's lawyer confirms he was paid by McCanns to "investigate" Gonçalo Amaral
The lawyer says that he defends Joana’s mother for free and that the McCanns paid him to “investigate” Gonçalo Amaral
by Luís Maneta
“Was Dr Gonçalo Amaral in charge”; “Was Dr Gonçalo Amaral present?”; “Did Dr Gonçalo Amaral hit you?”. Gonçalo Amaral, Gonçalo Amaral, Gonçalo Amaral – this seems to be the obsession of Leonor Cipriano’s defense lawyer during the trial that opposes Joana’s mother to five Judiciária inspectors.
Three policemen stand accused of torture: Pereira Cristóvão, Leonel Marques and Paulo Marques Bom. But Leonor’s lawyer, Marcos Aragão Correia, has pointed his guns at Gonçalo Amaral, who in this process stands accused of false testimony and omission of denunciation.
“This doesn’t look like a trial in the Joana case but rather one in the Maddie case”, says a source that is connected to the defense of the former coordinator of the PJ in Portimão, who headed the investigations into the disappearance of both children and became a sort of “public enemy #1” for the McCann couple.
“A possible condemnation of Gonçalo Amaral in this process may make it easier for the English to prosecute the Portuguese state”, the source says.
They have paid the expenses
When confronted by 24Horas with the suspicions about his connection to the Maddie case, Marcos Aragão confirmed that he was already paid by persons that are connected to the McCanns. “They haven’t paid me honoraries but rather expenses due to transportation, lodging and food, in order to interview João Cipriano in prison”, the lawyer explained, adding that the purpose of the conversation was to “analyze” the procedures of Amaral as a PJ investigator.
Following the investigation – which originated a report from the Association Against Exclusion through Development (ACED) – Aragão Correia says that he accepted to represent Leonor Cipriano without charging one cent.
“I accepted this case for humanitarian reasons only. I am not receiving any honoraries”, the lawyer asserted, referring that the “attacks” against Gonçalo Amaral are linked to Leonor Cipriano’s strategy in this case: “It’s not an obsession. I can’t insist on the other arguidos because she has not identified them”.
Yesterday’s session at the Court in Faro was marked by a new contradiction from the plaintiff. On Monday, Leonor Cipriano had guaranteed that Gonçalo Amaral did not watch the questioning during which she allegedly suffered abuse in order to make her confess to her daughter’s death. Yesterday, Joana’s mother corrected her version: “Gonçalo Amaral beat me”. When questioned by the judge, she said she had recovered her memory after watching a report on television.
Source: 24Horas, 30 October 2008
If you read the article nowhere does correia say he is being paid y the McCanns The cut and paste is pure BS and will be from an anti McCann site
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: ferryman on January 06, 2017, 05:08:31 PM
If you can't see why then you should desist, forthwith, from accusing other posters of libel, and especially issuing sin-bin points to other posters for posts you perceive to be 'libel'
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 06, 2017, 05:57:50 PM
If you can't see why then you should desist, forthwith, of accusing other posters of libel, and especially issuing sin-bin points to other posters for posts you perceive to be 'libel'
You never learn.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Angelo222 on January 06, 2017, 06:09:01 PM
If you can't see why then you should desist, forthwith, from accusing other posters of libel, and especially issuing sin-bin points to other posters for posts you perceive to be 'libel'
A) you responded to #637 B) #607 isn't libellous
"Do you agree the myth that Kate was offered a deal has been debunked?" Was based on davel's argument as summarised in #637.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: misty on January 06, 2017, 06:27:33 PM
Joana merely lifted the report from 24horas but then you should have known that. These attempts to rewrite history are hilarious but to be expected.
Bottom line is we know who paid Correia. who gave him his orders and what it all was really about.
If there was any wrongdoing by Correia, both Pragal Colaco & Cabrita would have lodged complaints - and they didn't. Of course, this is the same Colaco who produced photographs of Leonor's injuries outside the court & insinuated that they'd been photo-shopped. If there's one thing you can say about Amaral, it's that he seems to be an incredibly unlucky victim of the very justice system he desperately sought to defend.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: slartibartfast on January 06, 2017, 06:29:19 PM
If there was any wrongdoing by Correia, both Pragal Colaco & Cabrita would have lodged complaints - and they didn't. Of course, this is the same Colaco who produced photographs of Leonor's injuries outside the court & insinuated that they'd been photo-shopped. If there's one thing you can say about Amaral, it's that he seems to be an incredibly unlucky victim of the very justice system he desperately sought to defend.
Maybe not photoshopped but appeared to be with a very wide angle lens.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: ferryman on January 06, 2017, 07:49:52 PM
"Do you agree the myth that Kate was offered a deal has been debunked?" Was based on davel's argument as summarised in #637.
I stand corrected on the number.
But post 607 is assuredly libel.
Interesting that you should have located the post in question despite my slip with its number.
If you can't see why it is libel, you are beyond help.
And, looking back at my original post, unedited, I stated the correct number.
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Quote from: Slartibartfast on Today at 05:48:40 PM Please explain the libel and who I am libelling?
Post number 607 on this thread, by you, is libel.
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Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral. « Reply #607 on: Today at 08:07:51 AM » Quote Quote from: davel on Today at 08:01:56 AM so now we have the answer no evidence of any deal. There could not be any deal because correia was not in a position to make one. He could in no way promise reduced sentences and the whole idea he did is absurd. Im surprised that some mods and posters could just not see this and insisted on perpetuating a myth....at least this is one myth that has been well and truly debunked. Ive always claimed that those who disbelieve the mccannns do so because they are not very good at wighing up the evidence and that has been proved on this thread. Do you agree the myth that Kate was offered a deal has been debunked?
The libel is highlighted.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 06, 2017, 07:54:50 PM
Interesting that you should have located the post in question despite my slip with its number.
If you can't see why it is libel, you are beyond help.
And, looking back at my original post, unedited, I stated the correct number.
The libel is highlighted.
It was davel who said that if someone cannot offer a deal then a deal cannot have been offered. I was just questioning him.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Brietta on January 06, 2017, 10:41:06 PM
Now we've got basic English grammar sorted may we please get back to the subject of the thread ... must be lots more to the conspiracy theories which seem to have plagued Amaral throughout his adult life. The allegation concerning Marcos Aragão Correia being being the one presently under discussion here.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Angelo222 on January 06, 2017, 10:53:53 PM
Now we've got basic English grammar sorted may we please get back to the subject of the thread ... must be lots more to the conspiracy theories which seem to have plagued Amaral throughout his adult life. The allegation concerning Marcos Aragão Correia being being the one presently under discussion here.
Does anyone know if Marcos Correia and Amaral crossed swords prior to the McCann case as they appeared to have had a very great spite at each other?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral
Post by: Angelo222 on January 06, 2017, 10:55:10 PM
Does anyone know if Marcos Correia and Amaral crossed swords prior to the McCann case as they appeared to have had a very great spite at each other?
I don't know - but Correia's father was one of the most influential people in Portuguese culture of the last century. https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.aragao.org/2016/11/antonio-aragao-resume.html&prev=search
Interestingly, Marcos seems to be embroiled in some sort of legal spat with the Funchal Municipal Council to do with his late father;s estate & is now being represented by none other than Isabel Duarte. http://www.aragao.org/2016/11/advogada-dra-isabel-duarte-representa.html
No wonder Amaral wanted to sue the guy!
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: ferryman on January 06, 2017, 11:21:29 PM
I don't know - but Correia's father was one of the most influential people in Portuguese culture of the last century. https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.aragao.org/2016/11/antonio-aragao-resume.html&prev=search
Interestingly, Marcos seems to be embroiled in some sort of legal spat with the Funchal Municipal Council to do with his late father;s estate & is now being represented by none other than Isabel Duarte. http://www.aragao.org/2016/11/advogada-dra-isabel-duarte-representa.html
No wonder Amaral wanted to sue the guy!
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Following the intolerable delay of nearly 2 years for the Funchal Municipal Council to pay the Family of António Aragão the Artistic Estate that it decided to acquire, and in relation to which it took possession more than 1 year ago, was decided by Marcos Aragão Correia and Anabel Aragão Correia, the sole heirs of António Aragão and the owners of the aforementioned Estate, instruct the attorney Dr. Isabel Duarte (professional certificate nº 4607L) to represent them in said process. And it is with great honor that the Family of António Aragão saw the mandate to be accepted without reservation by Dr. Isabel Duarte, a renowned Lisbon Lawyer, better known as Madeleine McCann's Parents' Lawyer and the weekly "Expresso".
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on January 07, 2017, 02:54:48 AM
I don't know - but Correia's father was one of the most influential people in Portuguese culture of the last century. https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.aragao.org/2016/11/antonio-aragao-resume.html&prev=search
Interestingly, Marcos seems to be embroiled in some sort of legal spat with the Funchal Municipal Council to do with his late father;s estate & is now being represented by none other than Isabel Duarte. http://www.aragao.org/2016/11/advogada-dra-isabel-duarte-representa.html
No wonder Amaral wanted to sue the guy!
It's a small world indeed full of coincidences. The McCann's lawyer representing Gonçalo Amaral's nemesis, it never ceases to amaze.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 07, 2017, 05:26:50 AM
Angelos memory of the events seems very vague and despite several requests has not answered whether correia answered in English
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 07, 2017, 07:32:56 AM
Coincidence after coincidence. &%+((£ &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+
More like conspiracy after conspiracy For the simple explanation you just have to think why correia chose Duarte You haven't done that you have just jumped to conclusions
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 07, 2017, 07:46:04 AM
Apply some logic Correia needs representation in a very important case He obviously wants the best lawyer available He has seen Duarte in action and is impressed He hires her Where is the fault in the logic
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: slartibartfast on January 07, 2017, 08:15:32 AM
Apply some logic Correia needs representation in a very important case He obviously wants the best lawyer available He has seen Duarte in action and is impressed He hires her Where is the fault in the logic
We will wait until until after the final verdict to judge her skills.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 07, 2017, 08:19:12 AM
Apply some logic Correia needs representation in a very important case He obviously wants the best lawyer available He has seen Duarte in action and is impressed He hires her Where is the fault in the logic
I believe there is no longer a dispute as Funchal Council has purchased the artistic works in question for €166,000
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 07, 2017, 10:38:07 AM
She's got to be successful once in a while @)(++(*
A lawyer can only work with the information they are given.
No proof was offered that the investigation suffered because of Amaral's book, documentary or interviews.
No proof was forthcoming tha the parent's suffering was increased by his actions.
No proof was found that Amaral's thesis wasn't based on the evidence recorded by the investigation.
The judge attempted to show that Amaral's actions were unlawful, but her judgement was rejected by the Appeal Court.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 07, 2017, 01:00:50 PM
Getting back on topic
It has been claimed that in his interview outside the court correia stated The target has been hit re amaral. This interview is on record and in Portuguese.
Angel now claims there was a second interview with correia walking down the street This interview was in English What a revelation I look forward to more details from Angelo
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Angelo222 on January 07, 2017, 01:18:32 PM
I don't know - but Correia's father was one of the most influential people in Portuguese culture of the last century. https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.aragao.org/2016/11/antonio-aragao-resume.html&prev=search
Interestingly, Marcos seems to be embroiled in some sort of legal spat with the Funchal Municipal Council to do with his late father;s estate & is now being represented by none other than Isabel Duarte. http://www.aragao.org/2016/11/advogada-dra-isabel-duarte-representa.html
No wonder Amaral wanted to sue the guy!
At least that confirms that Correia has returned to his native Madeira after his exploits on the mainland. I am told his conduct was to be referred to the Madeira bar association where he is registered according to the lawyers association in Lisbon.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 07, 2017, 01:21:06 PM
At least that confirms that Correia has returned to his native Madeira after his exploits on the mainland. I am told his conduct was referred to the Madeira bar association where he is registered.
And what was the result of the referral Some referrals can be simply malicious and no action is taken
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 07, 2017, 01:22:42 PM
So Angelo This second interview you refer to Was it in English
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 07, 2017, 08:08:52 PM
So Angelo Do you have any sort of cite that there was an interview in English If not the consensus of opinion on this forum is that your post had no value
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 07, 2017, 08:13:32 PM
Angelo is correct, as the forum owner also agrees.
What is not and never acceptable, is when a poster asks for cites from others, but rarely supplies anything other than their opinion.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 07, 2017, 08:16:04 PM
So Angelo This second interview you refer to Was it in English
I saw the footage of Correia after he came out of court, he was asked questions in both Portuguese and English. It is too bad that the footage appears to be missing from CMTV links.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 09, 2017, 11:58:05 AM
I am quite serious there seems to be a lot of unsubstantiated allegations against correia emanating from the amaral camp and they have managed to convince some of the naieve posters on here
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: slartibartfast on January 09, 2017, 12:01:51 PM
I am quite serious there seems to be a lot of unsubstantiated allegations against correia emanating from the amaral camp and they have managed to convince some of the naieve posters on here
There are enough cites unchallenged by Correia to convince most people without an agenda to promote.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 09, 2017, 12:09:53 PM
Are you back to claiming that because core has not denied them they must be true That's quite monty python
I am back to saying John and Angelo remembered seeing it, it was in a list of press quote of the day, it is referred to in many places, original references from Papers and TV tend to be deleted over time as part of regular housekeeping and there isn't a single reference to Correia denying it. On the balance of probability it is likely he said it.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 09, 2017, 12:30:24 PM
We already know,vthat Correia would not have the authority to be able to broker a deal.
However, it does mean he didn't try it on by offering one, which he clearly did.
It is well known Correia has a history of being a fantasist, and with that, a capacity for self-delusion.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 09, 2017, 12:31:45 PM
I am back to saying John and Angelo remembered seeing it, it was in a list of press quote of the day, it is referred to in many places, original references from Papers and TV tend to be deleted over time as part of regular housekeeping and there isn't a single reference to Correia denying it. On the balance of probability it is likely he said it.
I have asked several times if his answer was in English and had no response There is no independent verification for the statement Fact
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 09, 2017, 12:39:49 PM
Angelos post consisted of He was walking down the street and was asked the question in English As I recall and he answered appropriately
So an element of doubt
Angelo then edited his post to add the phrase in question He did not mention it in the original post
What I am saying is that the recall does not seem clear
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 09, 2017, 02:46:46 PM
There are numerous cites in respect of Correia and his activities.
The man is a fantasist, and clearly tried it on with those 4 members of the PJ., and he had no authority to do so.
Meanwhile, as stated, you have singly failed to provide any CITES to back your claims.
Guests to this forum will undeniably see the truth of that.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 09, 2017, 04:13:49 PM
It does not matter one wit, whether you are convinced or not.
It was recorded in court during the trial.
Correia is a fantasist.
In fact, quite deluded.
Likewise, Correia has not denied his approach in making the offer.
Cite for recorded in court There isn't one But it seems that mods have decided that the forum rules have changed having failed to provide cites themselves
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 09, 2017, 05:08:10 PM
Your comments are irrelevant.
Now when did Correia deny trying to broker a deal with the 4 officers, or any of their legal representatives ?
CITE.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 09, 2017, 05:11:42 PM
Now when did Correia deny trying to broker a deal with the 4 officers, or any of their legal representatives ?
CITE.
Monty python lol
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on January 09, 2017, 06:44:01 PM
The following extract is from an article published several weeks before the PJ inspector's trial.
By Pedro Coelho/SIC
13 Feb 2009
Paulo Pereira Cristovão, a former PJ inspector and one of the 5 arguidos of Faro accuses Marcos Aragão Correia of trying to make a 'deal' with the defendants."And that deal was: all of you incriminate Gonçalo Amaral and I’ll arrange so that Leonor Cipriano says that you have nothing to do with this – well, deals like this, only in Hollywood", ironizes Pereira Cristovão.
Marcos Aragão Correia does not deny the existence of such a deal, he even alleges that the deal was related with a "confidence made by one of the arguidos" that had reached his ears. "That defendant send an e-mail to a friend of mine where he pointed Gonçalo Amaral as being guilty", denounces the lawyer.
Marcos Aragão Correia confesses that the negative opinion about the way that Gonçalo Amaral investigated the cases of Maddie and Joana, is not shared alone with the Método 3, hired by the McCann couple. The lawyer feeds the enigma: "If I am taking sides for one of the parties, it is obvious that that side is giving me moral support".
Aragão Correia does not clarify who is in fact behind this puzzle: "The secrecy of the contract which bounds me to Método 3 stops me from revealing details regarding the private investigation", concludes.
Contacted by the SIC, Método 3 decided not to give any statements. Nevertheless the McCann family spokesman alleges that the family does not comment issues that they consider to be negative.
The following extract is from an article published several weeks before the PJ inspector's trial.
By Pedro Coelho/SIC
13 Feb 2009
Paulo Pereira Cristovão, a former PJ inspector and one of the 5 arguidos of Faro accuses Marcos Aragão Correia of trying to make a 'deal' with the defendants."And that deal was: all of you incriminate Gonçalo Amaral and I’ll arrange so that Leonor Cipriano says that you have nothing to do with this – well, deals like this, only in Hollywood", ironizes Pereira Cristovão.
Marcos Aragão Correia does not deny the existence of such a deal, he even alleges that the deal was related with a "confidence made by one of the arguidos" that had reached his ears. "That defendant send an e-mail to a friend of mine where he pointed Gonçalo Amaral as being guilty", denounces the lawyer.
Marcos Aragão Correia confesses that the negative opinion about the way that Gonçalo Amaral investigated the cases of Maddie and Joana, is not shared alone with t Método 3, hired by the McCann couple. The lawyer feeds the enigma: "If I am taking sides for one of the parties, it is obvious that that side is giving me moral support".
Aragão Correia does not clarify who is in fact behind this puzzle: "The secrecy of the contract which bounds me to Método 3 stops me from revealing details regarding the private investigation", concludes.
Contacted by the SIC, Método 3 decided not to give any statements. Nevertheless the McCann family spokesman alleges that the family does not comment issues that they consider to be negative.
The former Inspector of the Policia Judiciária in Portimao confirmed he will proceed with a lawsuit against Marcos Aragao Correia and suggested that the attorney suffers from psychological problems. He also reaffirmed that he is not an arguido for torture against Leandro Silva
Goncalo Amaral suggested yesterday, in statements to 24horas, that Marcos Aragao Correia, lawyer for Leonor Cipriano, suffers from a psychiatric illness. This is another episode of verbal war between the ex-inspector of police in Portimao and the lawyer.
"Friends of mine who are connected to medicine, with whom I have spoken, tell me that Aragao Correia is in need of being compulsorily admitted. I think that says it all," said Goncalo Amaral. "For me, it is not as a person, but only as a lawyer," said the former inspector.
That the lawyer has said that the former inspector has been constituted an arguido by the Public Ministry, due to the practice of alleged crimes of torture against Leandro Silva, husband of Leonor Cipriano, Goncalo Amaral was peremptory: "No comment because everything is false. I will move with a case (against Aragao Correia). When? Inside the legally established period, that is, I have six months to do so."
The quest to be the leading character
The former inspector of the PJ is to be judged in a case where Leonor Cipriano, mother of Joana, guarantees to have been tortured on the premises of the PJ in order to admit the death of her daughter and the place where the corpse was hidden. In this case, Amaral is charged with failing to denounce. However, Marcos Aragao Correia wants to prove the veracity of the thesis of torture.
"Mr Aragao Correia has a goal, and that is the demand to be the leading character in the limelight. But he also knows that he follows the Order of Lawyers [Bar Association]. I will deal with the case by that establishment, I will deal with the case in court and, I stress, if necessary with a compulsory internment, and that, it seems, is what that man requires," concluded Goncalo Amaral.
24horas tried to talk to Aragao Correia, but he has remained uncontactable.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Alfie on January 09, 2017, 08:09:45 PM
The former Inspector of the Policia Judiciária in Portimao confirmed he will proceed with a lawsuit against Marcos Aragao Correia and suggested that the attorney suffers from psychological problems. He also reaffirmed that he is not an arguido for torture against Leandro Silva
Goncalo Amaral suggested yesterday, in statements to 24horas, that Marcos Aragao Correia, lawyer for Leonor Cipriano, suffers from a psychiatric illness. This is another episode of verbal war between the ex-inspector of police in Portimao and the lawyer.
"Friends of mine who are connected to medicine, with whom I have spoken, tell me that Aragao Correia is in need of being compulsorily admitted. I think that says it all," said Goncalo Amaral. "For me, it is not as a person, but only as a lawyer," said the former inspector.
That the lawyer has said that the former inspector has been constituted an arguido by the Public Ministry, due to the practice of alleged crimes of torture against Leandro Silva, husband of Leonor Cipriano, Goncalo Amaral was peremptory: "No comment because everything is false. I will move with a case (against Aragao Correia). When? Inside the legally established period, that is, I have six months to do so."
The quest to be the leading character
The former inspector of the PJ is to be judged in a case where Leonor Cipriano, mother of Joana, guarantees to have been tortured on the premises of the PJ in order to admit the death of her daughter and the place where the corpse was hidden. In this case, Amaral is charged with failing to denounce. However, Marcos Aragao Correia wants to prove the veracity of the thesis of torture.
"Mr Aragao Correia has a goal, and that is the demand to be the leading character in the limelight. But he also knows that he follows the Order of Lawyers [Bar Association]. I will deal with the case by that establishment, I will deal with the case in court and, I stress, if necessary with a compulsory internment, and that, it seems, is what that man requires," concluded Goncalo Amaral.
24horas tried to talk to Aragao Correia, but he has remained uncontactable.
Shouldn't this be on a new thread entitled "Amaral and his campaign to discredit Aragao Correia"?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on January 09, 2017, 08:10:33 PM
I have read it and I noticed something that everyone else seems to have missed
Is that because, by saying Amaral was responsible, the other defendants would be admitting their own part in the torture? (Leonor had already admitted she couldn't identify her torturers)
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 09, 2017, 08:17:57 PM
Shouldn't this be on a new thread entitled "Amaral and his campaign to discredit Aragao Correia"?
That's what I have been suggesting for some time
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on January 09, 2017, 08:34:31 PM
Maddie and Joana: Crossroads
SIC in-depth report is signed by the journalists Pedro Coelho and Rita Jordao, camera by Luís Pinto and edition by Ricardo Tenreiro.
Metodo 3, the Spanish detective agency hired by the McCanns, tried to seduce Leonor Cipriano's lawyer to change course of defence. The agency's operatives wanted to make Gonçalo Amaral - the former PJ coordinator of Portimão and responsible for the investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine and Joana, daughter of Leonor Cipriano - the main target, through the intersection of both cases.
'The Spanish Agency, Metodo 3 hired by the McCanns to allegedly find their mysteriously disappeared daughter, recruited the psychic lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia to incriminate Goncalo Amaral. SIC had access to documents which apparently prove that the Spanish agency has tried to undermine the credibility of the Portuguese investigation on the Madeleine McCann Case.'
SIC in-depth report is signed by the journalists Pedro Coelho and Rita Jordao, camera by Luís Pinto and edition by Ricardo Tenreiro.
Metodo 3, the Spanish detective agency hired by the McCanns, tried to seduce Leonor Cipriano's lawyer to change course of defence. The agency's operatives wanted to make Gonçalo Amaral - the former PJ coordinator of Portimão and responsible for the investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine and Joana, daughter of Leonor Cipriano - the main target, through the intersection of both cases.
'The Spanish Agency, Metodo 3 hired by the McCanns to allegedly find their mysteriously disappeared daughter, recruited the psychic lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia to incriminate Goncalo Amaral. SIC had access to documents which apparently prove that the Spanish agency has tried to undermine the credibility of the Portuguese investigation on the Madeleine McCann Case.'
that's not my idea of a reasonable cite. A reasonable cite would be a link to the documents that apparently prove the point that people have been striving so hard to make for the last god knows how many pages.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: misty on January 09, 2017, 11:33:20 PM
It's quite laughable - if you were to report that the Sun reported its reporter had had access to documents which proved that (insert own McCann-backing phrase).....imagine the reaction.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on January 10, 2017, 01:23:16 AM
The extract I posted is all that now remains online of an article and a video presentation by SIC Noticias exposing the truth behind Método 3 and their involvement in both the Joana and Maddie cases. It isn't much of a cite on its own but it does reinforce the material already posted which proves once and for all that Amaral was indeed the target. Destroy him and you destroy the investigation!
Also of interest is the fact that Correia never bothered in the end to submit evidence to the ECHR in relation to the torture of Leonor Cipriano. According to the European Court’s archiving decision, the judges waited for Leonor’s arguments until the end of October 2008. The case was thus abandoned just like poor Leonor.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Brietta on January 10, 2017, 01:40:38 AM
The extract I posted is all that now remains online of an article and a video presentation by SIC Noticias exposing the truth behind Método 3 and their involvement in both the Joana and Maddie cases. It isn't much of a cite on its own but it does reinforce the material already posted which proves once and for all that Amaral was indeed the target. Destroy him and you destroy the investigation!
Also of interest is the fact that Correia never bothered to submit his evidence to the ECHR in relation to the torture of Leonor Cipriano. The case was thus abandoned just like Leonor.
I think it is as plain as the nose on your face that Correia was subject to a propaganda onslaught in the run up to the torture trial which resulted in Amaral ending up with his criminal conviction which ended his lawyer's career under the patronage of Leonor Cipriano's former lawyer, Grade, before it even started.
Grade was found to be in possession of drugs while on a prison visit to clients, which apparently isn't considered too serious in Portugal since nothing ever came of that.
As far as I can see the allegations against Correia emanate from two close associates of Amaral ~ Grade and Cristovao which in my opinion devalues them entirely.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on January 10, 2017, 01:52:21 AM
And Correia boasted that he lied to João Cipriano while on a prison visit in order to extract information from him which could help his clent Leonor. I think they are all as bad as each other, each in their own way thought they were above the law and now both of them are discredited.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: sadie on January 10, 2017, 02:08:28 AM
I think it is as plain as the nose on your face that Correia was subject to a propaganda onslaught in the run up to the torture trial which resulted in Amaral ending up with his criminal conviction which ended his lawyer's career under the patronage of Leonor Cipriano's former lawyer, Grade, before it even started.
Grade was found to be in possession of drugs while on a prison visit to clients, which apparently isn't considered too serious in Portugal since nothing ever came of that.
As far as I can see the allegations against Correia emanate from two close associates of Amaral ~ Grade and Cristovao which in my opinion devalues them entirely.
Amarals main job had been as the Drug Inspector for the Algarve region. (Dont ask me where I got that from but it was common knowledge way back ... maybe someone else can confirm that or provide a cite)
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 10, 2017, 08:00:48 AM
And Correia boasted that he lied to João Cipriano while on a prison visit in order to extract information from him which could help his clent Leonor. I think they are all as bad as each other, each in their own way thought they were above the law and now both of them are discredited.
All the allegations against correia come from friends of amaral Hardly independent That's why I think there has been a campaign to discredit correia
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 10, 2017, 08:55:08 AM
It is fascinating to observe the continued denials.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 10, 2017, 08:56:45 AM
Are you denying that that comment excluded any comment made by me? I regret not trying to follow this thread from the beginning but it seems too long to go back to the beginning and start understanding it. It appears to be unresolvable from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: stephen25000 on January 10, 2017, 09:07:16 AM
Are you denying that that comment excluded any comment made by me? I regret not trying to follow this thread from the beginning but it seems too long to go back to the beginning and start understanding it. It appears to be unresolvable from what I've seen.
Well, if you don't know, then don't comment.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 10, 2017, 09:12:16 AM
Now, if you wish to discuss the thread, please do so.
So you meant "I find it fascinating to observe the continued denials". I think the proposition is prone to denial. "The mccanns employed Metodo 3. They 'employed' Correia to attack Amaral."
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: jassi on January 10, 2017, 10:30:11 AM
So you meant "I find it fascinating to observe the continued denials". I think the proposition is prone to denial. "The mccanns employed Metodo 3. They 'employed' Correia to attack Amaral."
The real question is who was ultimately pulling the strings and giving the orders or are we to infer that Método 3 took it upon themselves to do what they did? In fact, what the hell has Leonor Cipriano to do with finding a missing Madeleine, after all, wasn't that why M3 were employed in the first place? Or did their brief suddenly change?
My own long held view is that this is a police matter and should be properly investigated.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 10, 2017, 11:24:40 AM
SIC in-depth report is signed by the journalists Pedro Coelho and Rita Jordao, camera by Luís Pinto and edition by Ricardo Tenreiro.
Metodo 3, the Spanish detective agency hired by the McCanns, tried to seduce Leonor Cipriano's lawyer to change course of defence. The agency's operatives wanted to make Gonçalo Amaral - the former PJ coordinator of Portimão and responsible for the investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine and Joana, daughter of Leonor Cipriano - the main target, through the intersection of both cases.
'The Spanish Agency, Metodo 3 hired by the McCanns to allegedly find their mysteriously disappeared daughter, recruited the psychic lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia to incriminate Goncalo Amaral. SIC had access to documents which apparently prove that the Spanish agency has tried to undermine the credibility of the Portuguese investigation on the Madeleine McCann Case.'
You have to watch the documentary to understand the evidence.
That article is extremely anti McCann There is no denying it It is not balanced or fair towards the McCanns so it's safe to assume the rest is unbalanced and unfair
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on January 10, 2017, 12:33:53 PM
That article is extremely anti McCann There is no denying it It is not balanced or fair towards the McCanns so it's safe to assume the rest is unbalanced and unfair
The article and the documentary which accompanied it were based on hard evidence so if it was critical of the McCanns and their agents then that can only be interpreted in one way.
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 10, 2017, 12:41:05 PM
The article and the documentary which accompanied it were based on hard evidence so if it was critical of the McCanns and their agents then that can only be interpreted in one way.
Yes John The programme makers are biased To say the McCanns hired M3 allegedly to look for their daughter is a bit of a giveaway Journalist should be impartial These obviously aren't
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: John on January 10, 2017, 01:03:04 PM
Yes John The programme makers are biased To say the McCanns hired M3 allegedly to look for their daughter is a bit of a giveaway Journalist should be impartial These obviously aren't
In fact wasn't it Kennedy who employed them?
Title: Re: Método 3, Marcos Aragão Correia and the campaign to discredit Gonçalo Amaral.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 10, 2017, 02:12:53 PM