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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Admin on August 05, 2014, 01:51:16 AM
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From 'The Truth of the Lie' by Gonçalo Amaral.
"I receive a phone call from Sofia, who insists on my going home: our Shitzu dog is dead. She found it that morning, lifeless on the ground, with a head injury. She did everything to make sure the girls did not see it, but she didn't have the courage to remove him. When I arrive, everyone is already in bed. I place the Shitzu in a plastic bag, not sure about where I am going to be able to bury him. The ground is hard here. it's not easy to dig a hole and I hardly have the time for it. I decide to drop his remains into a bin. The animal is small, but he seems to weigh more than usual. I use my car to take her. As I am getting rid of it, I realise just how easy it is to hide a body - and how difficult it is to bury....When I get back, I discuss it with Sofia: she is afraid. She asks me to abandon the investigation and to worry about our daughters rather than other people's. For her, the dog's death is a bad omen. I reply that she is unfair, that her fears are irrational. Justice must be done for Madeleine, as for all other children and adults. It's my duty as a police officer: to seek the truth so that justice may be done."
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IMO the Shitzu was killed by head injury a little before 2AM Fri May 11th?
(Source: A Verdade Da Mentira, chapter 14)
Are there any examples outside this case, of a pet being killed as a warning?
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IMO the Shitzu was killed by head injury a little before 2AM Fri May 11th?
(Source: A Verdade Da Mentira, chapter 14)
Are there any examples outside this case, of a pet being killed as a warning?
Do you believe everything Amaral says?
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Do you believe everything Amaral says?
Do you believe nothing he says?
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IMO the Shitzu was killed by head injury a little before 2AM Fri May 11th?
(Source: A Verdade Da Mentira, chapter 14)
Are there any examples outside this case, of a pet being killed as a warning?
Whereabouts did Mrs A find the poor lifeless dog with a head injury? Is it not possible that the dog was hit by a car or have you ruled that out, and if so based on what?
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Whereabouts did Mrs A find the poor lifeless dog with a head injury? Is it not possible that the dog was hit by a car or have you ruled that out, and if so based on what?
Why would a pet dog be roaming free late at night?
A pet cat, maybe, but a pet dog?
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IMO the Shitzu was killed by head injury a little before 2AM Fri May 11th?
(Source: A Verdade Da Mentira, chapter 14)
Are there any examples outside this case, of a pet being killed as a warning?
Is this a Godfather 1 moment?
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IMO the Shitzu was killed by head injury a little before 2AM Fri May 11th?
(Source: A Verdade Da Mentira, chapter 14)
Are there any examples outside this case, of a pet being killed as a warning?
If as you think the pet had been 'killed as a warning' why should that be linked to Madeleine's case?
Of those with a connection to Madeleine, who would know where the Amaral residence was other than perhaps a locally based criminal ... and don't forget that Dr Amaral had worked against organised crime and drug dealers for many years.
So is it the suggestion that the perpetrators ... who must by definition be local criminals ... killed the dog?
I think the significance of what he has written is in relation to the rather belated realisation of just how difficult it would have been to dispose of a child's body, and perhaps a regret there hadn't been a more diligent search of the PDL bins which had been emptied on schedule after Madeleine's disappearance.
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If as you think the pet had been 'killed as a warning' why should that be linked to Madeleine's case?
Of those with a connection to Madeleine, who would know where the Amaral residence was other than perhaps a locally based criminal ... and don't forget that Dr Amaral had worked against organised crime and drug dealers for many years.
So is it the suggestion that the perpetrators ... who must by definition be local criminals ... killed the dog?
I think the significance of what he has written is in relation to the rather belated realisation of just how difficult it would have been to dispose of a child's body, and perhaps a regret there hadn't been a more diligent search of the PDL bins which had been emptied on schedule after Madeleine's disappearance.
Forgot to add my comment.
I've posted about this on another thread.
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If as you think the pet had been 'killed as a warning' why should that be linked to Madeleine's case?
Of those with a connection to Madeleine, who would know where the Amaral residence was other than perhaps a locally based criminal ... and don't forget that Dr Amaral had worked against organised crime and drug dealers for many years.
So is it the suggestion that the perpetrators ... who must by definition be local criminals ... killed the dog?
I think the significance of what he has written is in relation to the rather belated realisation of just how difficult it would have been to dispose of a child's body, and perhaps a regret there hadn't been a more diligent search of the PDL bins which had been emptied on schedule after Madeleine's disappearance.
I read it the same way Brietta.
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Is this a Godfather 1 moment?
That may be the insinuation. However, the dog may have been hit by a car or another animal. As to his wife finding it to be a bad omen, she may have also had superstitions about black cats... who knows?
The only purpose of mentioning it was to highlight how easy it is to dump a body in a bin. Fair enough, but checking bins thoroughly should have been an immediate second strand to the search for a potentially living child.
It wasn't.
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I think the whole episode was fabricated plagiarism of Mark Harrison's work
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Amaral might even have hit the dog himself, driving home so late, as we are led to believe.
I think he was trying to emphasise that he was being targeted by someone related to The McCann Case, although God knows why at that early stage.
Incidentally, it is illegal to dump the bodies of dead animals in bins.
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Amaral might even have hit the dog himself, driving home so late, as we are led to believe.
I think he was trying to emphasise that he was being targeted by someone related to The McCann Case, although God knows why at that early stage.
Incidentally, it is illegal to dump the bodies of dead animals in bins.
I believe the whole 'dog' episode was fabricated.
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Amaral might even have hit the dog himself, driving home so late, as we are led to believe....
But the reason he drove home was because his wife had phoned him and told him the dog was dead.
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If as you think the pet had been 'killed as a warning' why should that be linked to Madeleine's case?
Of those with a connection to Madeleine, who would know where the Amaral residence was other than perhaps a locally based criminal ... and don't forget that Dr Amaral had worked against organised crime and drug dealers for many years.
So is it the suggestion that the perpetrators ... who must by definition be local criminals ... killed the dog?
I think the significance of what he has written is in relation to the rather belated realisation of just how difficult it would have been to dispose of a child's body, and perhaps a regret there hadn't been a more diligent search of the PDL bins which had been emptied on schedule after Madeleine's disappearance.
It is elementary to find a person's address, for example by following home from work one day.
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But the reason he drove home was because his wife had phoned him and told him the dog was dead.
The night before. He could have hit the dog then.
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The night before. He could have hit the dog then.
That is pure conjecture which appears to be for the sole purpose of portraying GA badly.
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That is pure conjecture which appears to be for the sole purpose of portraying GA badly.
Speculation. This is what everyone is doing.
And why should accidentally hitting his dog in the dark portray him badly?
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I don't think for a minute that there was any 'dirty dealings' going on with the dog, but his method of disposing of a much loved family pet left a lot to be desired IMO. I wonder what he told his children?
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I would prefer to think it was an accident. And much more likely.
But I don't believe that Sofia was frightened by it. That would be ridiculous. She had been a Policeman's Wife for five years, with him catching drug runners.
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I would prefer to think it was an accident. And much more likely.
But I don't believe that Sofia was frightened by it. That would be ridiculous. She had been a Policeman's Wife for five years, with him catching drug runners.
I would be frightened after finding my dog dead from an unexplained head injury.
I certainly would not dismiss it with an "oh dear I found my dog dead from an unexplained head injury, oh well, never mind, these things happen."
Am I imagining it or at a later date was Mr Amaral's neighbour burgled? - can anyone remember the source for that?
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I would be frightened after finding my dog dead from an unexplained head injury.
I certainly would not dismiss it with an "oh dear I found my dog dead from an unexplained head injury, oh well, never mind, these things happen."
Am I imagining it or at a later date was Mr Amaral's neighbour burgled? - can anyone remember the source for that?
Dogs do get hit by cars. And they do die. And the cars don't always stop or report it. Nothing strange about it at all.
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I don't think for a minute that there was any 'dirty dealings' going on with the dog, but his method of disposing of a much loved family pet left a lot to be desired IMO. I wonder what he told his children?
The key point about that, apparent, anecdote is that it was the springboard and inspiration of Amaral's supposition about what Gerry, allegedly, did with the body of Madeleine ...
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... Amaral could have run over the dog himself the night before....
That would be like claiming Mitchell could have tried to hack his own voicemail.
Both those wild suppositions are theoretically possible, but unlikely to be correct.
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That would be like claiming Mitchell could have tried to hack his own voicemail.
Both those wild suppositions are theoretically possible, but unlikely to be correct.
What has Clarence Mitchell got to do with Amaral's dog being killed?
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What has Clarence Mitchell got to do with Amaral's dog being killed?
Nothing.
It was a critique of the IMO impossible suggestion above that Mr Amaral might have ran over his own dog 24 or so hours before his wife found it.