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Sir Cliff Richard's Berkshire property searched by police
Police have searched a Berkshire property belonging to Sir Cliff Richard in relation to an alleged historical sex offence.
No arrests have been made and Sir Cliff, 73, who is abroad, said the allegation was "completely false".
Police said the allegation involved a boy under 16.
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1965093/thumbs/o-CLIFF-RICHARD-HOUSE-BERKSHIRE-570.jpg?1)
The BBC understands it relates to an alleged sexual assault at a 1985 event where US preacher Billy Graham appeared at Bramall Lane, Sheffield.
The allegation is believed to have been reported to police recently.
The search in Sunningdale was carried out by South Yorkshire Police, which told the BBC it did not force entry to the property.
The investigation is not connected to Operation Yewtree and police said officers from that operation - set up by the Metropolitan Police to investigate hundreds of allegations in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal - had been notified.
Thames Valley Police said it had assisted the South Yorkshire force with the execution of a search warrant at the property.
Eight plain-clothed police officers in five unmarked cars arrived to conduct the search which ended at about 15:30 BST.
More... (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28790718)
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Do we have something here!
Cliff Richards UK home searched. This dude has property near Praia da luz, Portugal where he stays during the summer as I remember .
Police search the star's home over an alleged sexual assault dating back to the 1980s involving a boy aged under 16 at the time.
http://news.sky.com/story/1318591/cliff-richards-home-searched-over-sex-claim
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Do we have something here!
Cliff Richards UK home searched. This dude has property near Praia da luz, Portugal where he stays during the summer as I remember .
Police search the star's home over an alleged sexual assault dating back to the 1980s involving a boy aged under 16 at the time.
http://news.sky.com/story/1318591/cliff-richards-home-searched-over-sex-claim
I thought I was the only one thinking about this..
Strange Cliff Richards lived in Algarve and never commented on Madeleine's case.
I am not sure his house is in PDL thought.. I thought it was in Albufeira.
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I thought I was the only one thinking about this..
Strange Cliff Richards lived in Algarve and never commented on Madeleine's case.
I am not sure his house is in PDL thought.. I thought it was in Albufeira.
Sir Cliff does have a connection to PDL, though,as patron of a charity which has a shop there. (Perhaps he upgraded from knocking on doors in 2007 - joke)
http://www.algarvemais.com/en/life-style/sir-cliff-gives-patronage-to-algarve-charity.html
Sorry, the article refuses to let me c&p.
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Do we have something here!
Cliff Richards UK home searched. This dude has property near Praia da luz, Portugal where he stays during the summer as I remember .
Police search the star's home over an alleged sexual assault dating back to the 1980s involving a boy aged under 16 at the time.
http://news.sky.com/story/1318591/cliff-richards-home-searched-over-sex-claim
Agedo do Cantor, his vineyard is 3 miles N of Albufeira and 25 miles crow flies east of PdL. Considerably further by road. Probably the fastest route would be by boat, but no harbour in PdL.
Reputedly Cliffs interest is in the male sex, but he publicly denied this about 20 years ago IIRC. It is well known that he has an Irish priest as a close friend.
The search does seem a bit sudden and 'heavyweight' on the suspicion of just one sexual assault . They didn't inform him according to newspaper reports. Seems he found out via the media.
Could they be looking for links to others, a network? ... so went in quietly?
They have said that it is not Operation Yewtree, so what operation is it?
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Agedo do Cantor, his vineyard is 3 miles N of Albufeira and 25 miles crow flies east of PdL. Considerably further by road. Probably the fastest route would be by boat, but no harbour in PdL.
Reputedly Cliffs interest is in the male sex, but he publicly denied this about 20 years ago IIRC. It is well known that he has an Irish Preist as a close friend.
The search does seem a bit sudden and 'heavyweight' on the suspicion of just one sexual assault . They didn't inform him according to newspaper reports. Seems he found out via the media.
Could they be looking for links to others, a network? ... so went in quietly?
They have said that it is not Operation Yewtree, so what operation is it?
Cliff has never been a girlie lover, as the older generation will know and I have never seen any really bad press reports on Cliff, but if there has been, please remind me.
I am flabbergasted at the news and I find the allegation unbelievable, but no doubt we will hear more soon.
I do hope the allegation is untrue, but such exposure does leave a nasty, unmovable stain of doubt on the accused's character.
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Cliff has never been a girlie lover, as the older generation will know and I have never seen any really bad press reports on Cliff, but if there has been, please remind me.
I am flabbergasted at the news and I find the allegation unbelievable, but no doubt we will hear more soon.
I do hope the allegation is untrue, but such exposure does leave a nasty, unmovable stain of doubt on the accused's character.
There's lots about him on the internet Anna. Have been aware for about 6 years but dont know exactly what to believe.
Try googling "his name and Elm guest house hotel".
No idea if it is true, but one has to wonder especially as the Police have made, what to me seems, a mighty move.
They haven't done that if they have no suspicions of any sort. Seems they are checking up on the alleged abuse of an under 16 y.o. boy after a Billy Graham Christian Rally several decades ago.
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Yet again, police saw fit to tip off the press of the imminent search of Cliff Rchard's home so that they were already in situ when the officers arrived in unmarked cars. The whole thing stinks imo.
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This is a complete and utter disgrace. Go to The BBC if you want to know who is next on the Witch Hunt Trail.
And bang goes any chance of a fair trial. Good. Something has to put a stop to this insanity. But it was bound to happen anyway.
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Yet again, police saw fit to tip off the press of the imminent search of Cliff Rchard's home so that they were already in situ when the officers arrived in unmarked cars. The whole thing stinks imo.
This is a complete and utter disgrace. Go to The BBC if you want to know who is next on the Witch Hunt Trail.
And bang goes any chance of a fair trial. Good. Something has to put a stop to this insanity. But it was bound to happen anyway.
I agree with both posts. It is shocking!
I am not a fan of Cliff or his 'music'-positivly hate it lol. But The BBC are so wrong and hypocritical after the hush hush for years about Jimmy Saville.
Cliffs sexuality is his personal business as far as I am concerned.
On another note I found Cilla Black's response to Rolf Harris being jailed for predatory paedophile behavior as quite astounding.- she didn't condemn him?
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I agree with both posts. It is shocking!
I am not a fan of Cliff or his 'music'-positivly hate it lol. But The BBC are so wrong and hypocritical after the hush hush for years about Jimmy Saville.
Cliffs sexuality is his personal business as far as I am concerned.
On another note I found Cilla Black's response to Rolf Harris being jailed for predatory paedophile behavior as quite astounding.- she didn't condemn him?
Nor do I condemn Rolf Harris. The evidence, if you can call it that, is disgraceful.
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Nor do I condemn Rolf Harris. The evidence, if you can call it that, is disgraceful.
Oh come on .... Rolf Harris wrote in shame to apologise to the father of the girl he was 'visiting' when she was 13 years old and admits having a sexual relationship with after she was 18! (The girl claimed 13!) Rolf was in his 50's .... if it's not evidence of underage rape it's certainly very creepy!
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Oh come on .... Rolf Harris wrote in shame to apologise to the father of the girl he was 'visiting' when she was 13 years old and admits having a sexual relationship with after she was 18! (The girl claimed 13!) Rolf was in his 50's .... if it's not evidence of underage rape it's certainly very creepy!
Is it a crime to be creepy now?
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Nor do I condemn Rolf Harris. The evidence, if you can call it that, is disgraceful.
Is it a crime to be creepy now?
http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/_wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sentencing-remarks-mr-j-sweeney-r-v-harris.pdf (http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/_wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sentencing-remarks-mr-j-sweeney-r-v-harris.pdf)
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http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/_wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sentencing-remarks-mr-j-sweeney-r-v-harris.pdf (http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/_wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sentencing-remarks-mr-j-sweeney-r-v-harris.pdf)
Sorry, I simply do not believe that he put his hand up the skirt of an 8 year old, and took the time to touch her while others were watching.
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Sorry, I simply do not believe that he put his hand up the skirt of an 8 year old, and took the time to touch her while others were watching.
Well, most importantly the jury did! They had the advantage of hearing all the evidence, in person. What on earth makes you think that you are better placed to judge?
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Well, most importantly the jury did! They had the advantage of hearing all the evidence, in person. What on earth makes you think that you are better placed to judge?
Just my personal opinion.
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Just my personal opinion.
Based on what, may I ask?
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Based on what, may I ask?
Have you ever heard of Miscarriages of Justice?
And as I said, I just can't believe that he would do or get away with such a thing with other people watching. It doesn't make sense.
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Is it a crime to be creepy now?
Eleanor! You do surprise me ... have you read Rolf's letter? If Rolf himself is 'sickened by his own behaviour' I find it difficult to understand why you're not?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2624114/Rolf-Harris-trial-hears-confession-letter-alleged-victims-father.html
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Eleanor! You do surprise me ... have you read Rolf's letter? If Rolf himself is 'sickened by his own behaviour' I find it difficult to understand why you're not?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2624114/Rolf-Harris-trial-hears-confession-letter-alleged-victims-father.html
That letter was pertaining to his affair with the girl when she was over the age of consent. He did not admit to abusing her when she was underage.
What I think of him as a person is not the issue. The evidence was not conclusive as far as I can see. So there is a reasonable doubt in my mind.
And what is happening with Cliff Richard is sickening almost beyond belief. Why don't they just declare him Guilty? Why bother with a Trial?
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That letter was pertaining to his affair with the girl when she was over the age of consent. He did not admit to abusing her when she was underage.
What I think of him as a person is not the issue. The evidence was not conclusive as far as I can see. So there is a reasonable doubt in my mind.
And what is happening with Cliff Richard is sickening almost beyond belief. Why don't they just declare him Guilty? Why bother with a Trial?
Trial?
He hasn't even been interviewed!
I bet the BBC think twice before airing any of his songs atm, yet they play Michael Jackson hits?
Mind you, he was never found guilty of anything either was he, but it's bleedin obvious he was a filthy old kiddie fiddler.
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That letter was pertaining to his affair with the girl when she was over the age of consent. He did not admit to abusing her when she was underage.
What I think of him as a person is not the issue. The evidence was not conclusive as far as I can see. So there is a reasonable doubt in my mind.
And what is happening with Cliff Richard is sickening almost beyond belief. Why don't they just declare him Guilty? Why bother with a Trial?
Well of course he would deny it was underage! For a 50 something to be involved with teenaged girls is just wrong ... obviously the court believed it did start when she was underage and I have no reason to suspect the court got it wrong!
Especially as he has been convicted of 12 assaults on four different girls!
Rolf's a wrong 'un!
As for Cliff ... we shall have to see!
I do think the law has to change though; anonymity for the accusers when the accused has their life ruined , guilty or not, is just unfair!
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Well of course he would deny it was underage! For a 50 something to be involved with teenaged girls is just wrong ... obviously the court believed it did start when she was underage and I have no reason to suspect the court got it wrong!
Especially as he has been convicted of 12 assaults on four different girls!
Rolf's a wrong 'un!
As for Cliff ... we shall have to see!
I do think the law has to change though; anonymity for the accusers when the accused has their life ruined , guilty or not, is just unfair!
That's a tough one Tim. It seems that more victims are persuaded to come forward once they realise that someone else has taken the courageous step to accuse their abuser. If their right to anonymity is rescinded, fewer people will have the courage to come forward, simple as that.
On the other hand, for those that are wrongly accused, it must be awful beyond belief.
I think that perhaps the fairest way of dealing with this is for all parties to remain anonymous.
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Putting a stop to Compensation Claims might help. No one is ever going to get any money from a poverty stricken abuser.
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Putting a stop to Compensation Claims might help. No one is ever going to get any money from a poverty stricken abuser.
I would definitely agree with that.
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I hear the police have bugged Sir Cliff's house, it's been wired for sound.
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8()(((@#
Putting a stop to Compensation Claims might help. No one is ever going to get any money from a poverty stricken abuser.
Absolutely.
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I hear the police have bugged Sir Cliff's house, it's been wired for sound.
... while he was on a summer holiday too and if they discover anything it'll be finders keepers... ho..ho!
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... while he was on a summer holiday too and if they discover anything it'll be finders keepers... ho..ho!
Congratulations! I think you've hit the nail on the head 8)-)))
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... while he was on a summer holiday too and if they discover anything it'll be finders keepers... ho..ho!
I just hope he wasn't playing around with young ones when he was in the shadows!
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I just hope he wasn't playing around with young ones when he was in the shadows!
I laughed. I shouldn't have, but I did.
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I laughed. I shouldn't have, but I did.
Yes Tim has this way of making people laugh when they really shouldn't!
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Putting a stop to Compensation Claims might help. No one is ever going to get any money from a poverty stricken abuser.
I was beginning to think how come we're only hearing about celebs with all these child sex abuse scandals and then yesterday I read the following article in The Guardian:
"Grayling denies prison service crisis as inmate numbers rise
Justice secretary says service is having to cope with hundreds of sex offenders convicted after Savile scandal"
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/19/grayling-denies-prison-crisis-inmate-numbers
So it seems lots of Joe Averages have been convicted too but we just don't get to hear about them?
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Has anyone offered an apology to Cliff yet? will we see high profile BBC arrests in Rotherham?
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In other news.....
Sir Cliff Richard sex abuse inquiry: No charges for singer
Sir Cliff said: "I have always maintained my innocence, cooperated fully with the investigation, and cannot understand why it has taken so long to get to this point."
He criticised the "high-profile fumbling of my case from day one".
"Other than in exceptional cases, people who are facing allegations should never be named publicly until charged," he said.
"I was named before I was even interviewed and for me that was like being hung out like 'live bait'.
"It is obvious that such strategies simply increase the risk of attracting spurious claims which not only tie up police resources and waste public funds, but they forever tarnish the reputations of innocent people."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36546038
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Anyone interested in exploring this case a bit further should Google Tony Blair - Jill Dando - BBC - Cliff Richard - Kitty - Elm Guest House - Super Injunction - Clarence Mitchell and Madeleine McCann.
Good luck 8(0(*
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I watched Cliff on Loose Women today being interviewed by Gloria Hunniford, Im convinced he is totally innocent
The BBC and the Police have issued apologies, well, thats a start
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Anyone interested in exploring this case a bit further should Google Tony Blair - Jill Dando - BBC - Cliff Richard - Kitty - Elm Guest House - Super Injunction - Clarence Mitchell and Madeleine McCann.
Good luck 8(0(*
That sounds like the mother of all conspiracy theories right there!
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I think our Kitty is more lucky than innocent, there was a clip I saw recently where he states "I've always denied my homosexuality", I think it was in a Jill Dando thingy on you tube or as the daily squib said of Kitty "I'm not homosexual but my boyfriend is".
http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/most-popular/1473-cliff-richard-im-not-gay-but-my-boyfriend-is.html
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I think our Kitty is more lucky than innocent, there was a clip I saw recently where he states "I've always denied my homosexuality", I think it was in a Jill Dando thingy on you tube or as the daily squib said of Kitty "I'm not homosexual but my boyfriend is".
http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/most-popular/1473-cliff-richard-im-not-gay-but-my-boyfriend-is.html
Oh so even if hes gay that must make hm guilty of child sexual abuse?
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Oh so even if hes gay that must make hm guilty of child sexual abuse?
Weird one this...
Dear Sue,
I shared a flat with my best friend for 7 years we are both hetrosexual, now married, but we didn't have sex with each other and didn't abuse children was there something wrong with us- is this 'normal'...
Seriously people this is a no brainer. Cliff shares a house with his companion, golly gosh this news is affecting my whole life, I can,t eat, sleep, or go to the toilet on my own, if only he would get married to a woman to prove to me he is 'normal'...sheesh
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Up to 64,000 women in UK 'are child-sex offenders'
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2009/oct/04/uk-female-child-sex-offenders
How many are "Lesleys" then ?
I don't actually care I just want to see how far the ripples will spread @)(++(*
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I watched Cliff on Loose Women today being interviewed by Gloria Hunniford, Im convinced he is totally innocent
The BBC and the Police have issued apologies, well, thats a start
ahhh but, as Cliffy threatens to sue them both, and I hope he does, another little thing happens, Cliff's new single is: song of the week on BBC radio! Yes, he has been given access back to the BBC turntables after being shunned for being too old!
I don't need to cover my ears... I don't listen to BBC junk.
8((()*/ nice one cliffie.
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http://rabbitaway.blogspot.com/2018/07/we-are-coming-for-you-now.html
"A spokeswoman for TV investigator Mark Williams-Thomas said the alleged victim
first contacted him after his 2012 exposé of Savile. Details were passed to
the Met’s Yewtree team. Officers then passed on the case to colleagues in
South Yorkshire, where the offence allegedly occurred.
The spokeswoman added: “Mark has made a statement to the police relating to
this and other information he has been made aware of, and therefore is
unable to make any further comment.” https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1036175/cliff-accused/
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http://rabbitaway.blogspot.com/2018/07/we-are-coming-for-you-now.html
"A spokeswoman for TV investigator Mark Williams-Thomas said the alleged victim
first contacted him after his 2012 exposé of Savile. Details were passed to
the Met’s Yewtree team. Officers then passed on the case to colleagues in
South Yorkshire, where the offence allegedly occurred.
The spokeswoman added: “Mark has made a statement to the police relating to
this and other information he has been made aware of, and therefore is
unable to make any further comment.” https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1036175/cliff-accused/
Thanks for posting that link, it's interesting.
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Cliff Richard Reveals How South Yorkshire Police Mishandled False Sex Abuse Allegations
http://barthsnotes.com/2016/06/22/cliff-richard-reveals-how-south-yorkshire-police-mishandled-false-sex-abuse-allegations/
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Thanks for posting that link, it's interesting.
Cyprus Paedo scare: a near kidnapping or a near lynching? Mark Williams-Thomas must get to the truth
"It would be easy to think that a slight note of hysteria was creeping into the coverage, so it is fortunate that Britain’s best loved ex-detective Mark Williams Thomas has got on the case.
He took to Twitter:
http://barristerblogger.com/2015/06/21/cyprus-paedo-scare-a-near-kidnapping-or-a-near-lynching-mark-williams-thomas-must-get-to-the-truth/
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9852.msg494257#msg494257