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Title: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Moderator on August 29, 2014, 11:34:25 AM
Sick child removed from hospital thought to be on way to Spain

The health of a five-year-old boy taken from hospital by his parents against medical advice will deteriorate rapidly as the battery on his feeding system is likely to have run out, police said.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77254000/jpg/_77254372_ashyaking6.jpg)

A picture posted on Facebook showed Ashya with his mother Naghemeh King.

Ashya King, who has a brain tumour, was taken from Southampton General Hospital and was last seen on a ferry to France.

He was allowed to leave the ward under the supervision of his parents.

It has also been confirmed the family are Jehovah's Witnesses, but there is no suggestion this is why he was taken.

Brett King, 51, and Naghemeh King, 45, removed him from the ward on Thursday.

Assistant Chief Constable Chris Shead of Hampshire Constabulary said Ashya was fed through a battery operated tube and the battery was likely to have expired.

While information had placed them in France, he said: "By now, we cannot be certain they have not moved on".

A spokesman for the hospital, which contacted police six hours after they left, said: "Ashya was a long-term patient who was permitted to leave the ward under the supervision of his parents as part of his ongoing rehabilitation.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28978655
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 29, 2014, 08:09:44 PM
parents abduct their child from  a hospital today.....people surprised it was six hours before the hospital phoned the police...bloody doctors
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2014, 08:16:05 PM
parents abduct their child from  a hospital today.....people surprised it was six hours before the hospital phoned the police...bloody doctors

Abduction,   @)(++(*

A spokesman for the hospital, which contacted police six hours after they left, said: "Ashya was a long-term patient who was permitted to leave the ward under the supervision of his parents as part of his ongoing rehabilitation.

"When the length of time he had been absent became a cause of concern to staff yesterday afternoon they contacted police after a search of the site and attempts to contact the family were unsuccessful."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28978655
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 29, 2014, 08:20:55 PM
Abduction,   @)(++(*

A spokesman for the hospital, which contacted police six hours after they left, said: "Ashya was a long-term patient who was permitted to leave the ward under the supervision of his parents as part of his ongoing rehabilitation.

"When the length of time he had been absent became a cause of concern to staff yesterday afternoon they contacted police after a search of the site and attempts to contact the family were unsuccessful."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28978655
International Business Times UK ‎- 6 hours ago

Ashya King was removed from Southampton General Hospital without ... for the abducted boy and are currently checking hotels and CCTV.


Looks like there must be two of them...


Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on August 29, 2014, 08:51:56 PM
Yahoo News
29 August 2014

The parents who took their five-year-old boy from a hospital despite him suffering from a brain tumour have been confirmed as followers of the Jehovah's Witness movement.

Ashya King was taken by his parents Brett and Naghemeh King from the Southampton General Hospital on 28 August and taken to Cherbourg in France.

Police launched an urgent appeal to help find the family as Ashya needs constant medical care. Hampshire Police warned that, if the boy is not found, his health will "rapidly deteriorate".

Ashya cannot talk, remains immobile and needs to be fed through a tube. Assistant Chief Constable Chris Shead of Hampshire Constabulary said it is "vital" he is found as soon as possible as his battery-powered feeding system "will run out today" (29 August).

It has now been confirmed that the parents who removed Ashya from hospital are followers of the Jehovah's Witness movement.

Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusions on religious grounds but can undergo other medical procedures. Ashya recently had an emergency operation on his brain after he was diagnosed with the tumour.

A spokesperson for the Office of Public Information for Jehovah's Witnesses said: "We can confirm that the parents of Ashya King are Jehovah's Witnesses. However, we are not aware of the facts of the case nor the reasons for the family's medical choices, which are personal decisions.

"There is absolutely no indication, as far as we are aware, that their decision is in any way motivated by any religious convictions. Jehovah's Witnesses are encouraged to seek the best medical treatment for themselves and their children."

Police earlier said the family's religion was "irrelevant" and the priority is still finding the child.

Cherbourg Police confirmed they have joined the search for Ashya and are checking hotels and CCTV as part of the investigation.

Polcie are also appealing for people in the UK who have "friends and relatives in France and bordering countries" to assist with the search.

Det Supt Dick Pearson, of Hampshire Constabulary, said: "If we do not locate Ashya today there are serious concerns for his life.

"He is receiving constant medical care within the UK due to recent surgery and ongoing medical issues. Without this specialist 24 hour care, Ashya is at risk of additional health complications which place him at substantial risk.

"He needs to be taken to a medical facility for his urgent health requirements as soon as he is located."

Article (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/ashya-king-search-both-parents-confirmed-jehovahs-witnesses-144743081.html)
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 29, 2014, 08:54:19 PM
'The health of a five-year-old boy taken from hospital by his parents against medical advice will deteriorate rapidly as the battery on his feeding system is likely to have run out, police said.'


My guess is they have watched his life ebbing away during his stay in hospital & they've had enough of it & want to spend some private time with him, before his likely demise.

I hope I'm wrong & that they are infact taking him to a specialist brain tumour unit on the continent somewhere.
 
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on August 30, 2014, 03:03:43 PM
I read that the parents are Jehovah's Witnesses and JW's have religious issues re blood transfusions but I have no idea if this has any relevance to the 'disappearance'.   
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2014, 09:54:57 PM
Went for a holiday in Spain it would appear.

Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on August 30, 2014, 10:12:59 PM
Went for a holiday in Spain it would appear.

Poor parents are probably out of their minds with the stress of the situation.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: puglove on August 30, 2014, 10:13:10 PM
Went for a holiday in Spain it would appear.

Yes, they've found him. No details, though.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: puglove on August 30, 2014, 10:17:48 PM
Poor parents are probably out of their minds with the stress of the situation.

I must admit, when I heard that the parents are JWs, my heart sank. And what will happen to the other (I think) 8 kids, if the parents are arrested for this?
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2014, 10:38:55 PM
Ashya's father explains reason for taking him out of hospital.

Seems he could get some better treatment for him elsewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ETQn9ZPwk


Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: puglove on August 30, 2014, 11:16:48 PM
Ashya's father explains reason for taking him out of hospital.

Seems he could get some better treatment for him elsewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ETQn9ZPwk

Oh Christ. That is a very sick little boy. I very much doubt if there is a better treatment out there, somewhere. It is almost always a grim prognosis for a child's brain tumour. And the treatment is very invasive and damaging.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Andrea on August 30, 2014, 11:35:32 PM
I agree with spammy on this, it must be dreadful for the parents.  Maybe they just wanted to spend quality time with their son away from the confines of the hospital walls.

No doubt the SS will come snooping now.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on August 31, 2014, 12:56:38 AM
What the f..k were Hampshire Police thinking about when they issued an arrest warrant, I can't believe the insensitivity of these idiots.  And now we know that Ashya has been taken from the only people he knows and his parents stuck in a f.....g dungeon below Malaga police station.  UNBELIEVABLE!!!

Earlier this week we heard how Rotherham Police effectively let a bunch of paedophiles and rapists off the hook having abused over 1400 children and now these f.....g idiots in Hampshire do this to loving parents. What the hell is this country coming to?
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Andrea on August 31, 2014, 01:01:48 AM
I agree John. The SS will now start snooping and make this poor family's life hell.
I can't condemn these people for what they have done, his father said on the YouTube video that Ashya was smiling a lot more and moving around more than he did in hospital. The Police also said that he shows NO signs of distress.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on August 31, 2014, 01:10:41 AM
I agree John. The SS will now start snooping and make this poor family's life hell.
I can't condemn these people for what they have done, his father said on the YouTube video that Ashya was smiling a lot more and moving around more than he did in hospital. The Police also said that he shows NO signs of distress.

I bloody bet he is distressed now being looked after by strangers who don't even speak English. Those parents are bound to be at their wits end being held in disgusting cells with drug addicts and criminals.  Believe me, it is no picnic.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Andrea on August 31, 2014, 01:18:40 AM
I can imagine.
I hope they are released without charge.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on August 31, 2014, 01:33:29 AM
I can imagine.
I hope they are released without charge.

I just hope for their sake that they don't transport them to Madrid before extraditing them back to Blighty.  It's an awful experience.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Andrea on August 31, 2014, 01:39:01 AM
The Police are deciding if the parents have committed a crime or not. They got permission from the hospital to take him off the premises, they can't have mentioned that they were going abroad. Still, hes their son.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on August 31, 2014, 02:00:22 AM
I see that family and friends have started an appeal on Facebook.

Fight For Ashya King
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on August 31, 2014, 02:02:24 AM
The Police are deciding if the parents have committed a crime or not. They got permission from the hospital to take him off the premises, they can't have mentioned that they were going abroad. Still, hes their son.

Yet another case of the State thinking it has more rights than the parents. I find it quite disgusting that a Southampton Hosptal consultant threatened Ashya's parents with an Emergency Child Protection Order if they continued to question the radiation treatment which they were planning to use.   

Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: colinberry1 on August 31, 2014, 09:42:25 AM
Well the reality is we are run by a bunch of Nazi policies, that has taken away all of our human rights, would it be much different under Hitler?
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Lace on August 31, 2014, 10:08:54 AM
Maybe the hospital can prolong the little boys life?      The parents were denying him this.   If they want to stop procedures why didn't they go through the proper channels,  not just take him.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2014, 10:13:36 AM
why wa sthat little   boy in the uk who is terminially  ill taken off his parents and the parents arrested when the child is brain damaged and  will most likley die  anyway and yet the mcanns were not charged at all and  they DID  neglect thir  children?

Most of us have actually worked out the answer to that one
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 31, 2014, 10:19:43 AM
Well the reality is we are run by a bunch of Nazi policies, that has taken away all of our human rights, would it be much different under Hitler?

We'd have better motorways...
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2014, 10:36:24 AM
Looks like there is already a court order in place to stop the parents interfering in the boys treatment...hes had surgery which would have required blood which they no doubt forbade
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: colinberry1 on August 31, 2014, 10:57:47 AM
Better everything by the look of it, and certainly less paedophiles.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: VIXTE on August 31, 2014, 11:25:38 AM
IMO this is all about money. The parents probably researched the case well and know where to seek better treatment. They did not accept the cost cutting 'explanations' by the NHS consultants.The NHS fears that other people would follow the same route, i.e seek the treatment in Europe.

All about money. Fulstop.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Lace on August 31, 2014, 11:38:14 AM
Looks like there is already a court order in place to stop the parents interfering in the boys treatment...hes had surgery which would have required blood which they no doubt forbade

Apparently the parents wanted to take him abroad for treatment.    Still,  just taking him like that I would have thought would have put a lot of stress on the little boy.

I hope they come to conclusion one way or another about his treatment,  looks as though the parents think he would be better off having the other treatment.

Don't know if the hospital can refuse what the parents want can they?
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2014, 11:41:50 AM
Apparently the parents wanted to take him abroad for treatment.    Still,  just taking him like that I would have thought would have put a lot of stress on the little boy.

I hope they come to conclusion one way or another about his treatment,  looks as though the parents think he would be better off having the other treatment.

Don't know if the hospital can refuse what the parents want can they?

They can if there is a protection order in place ...as is often the case with Jehovas Witnesses who refuse to allow children to have blood transfusions...looks like this is what happened in this case
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: colinberry1 on August 31, 2014, 01:21:00 PM
Well we lost our younger's daughter age 27, to a brain tumor, I can say I do not blame them for taking their child abroad.

By the time her doctor found out the problem a year had gone by, waiting six weeks to obtain her first brain scan unless she was willing to go private, they told her there was no problem, six weeks later she lost feelings on one half of her body, they rushed her for another brain scan because they lost the first result, they found out it was terminal, by then it was the size of a golf ball, they said there was nothing they could do, we took her home to die.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on August 31, 2014, 03:39:43 PM
IMO this is all about money. The parents probably researched the case well and know where to seek better treatment. They did not accept the cost cutting 'explanations' by the NHS consultants.The NHS fears that other people would follow the same route, i.e seek the treatment in Europe.

All about money. Fulstop.

Certainly is, they refused Ashya the specialised targeted treatment purely on cost but now Southampton General is backtracking squirming and offering a second opinion.

The ACC of Hampshire Constabulary is another one who messed up and now cannot see his way to offering some sort of apology.  There was no reason to take the parents to Malaga police cells, they could have been held at the hostel or at their own holiday home just down the road while the British police got their act together.  But then again, the Guardia Civil don't do common sense when it comes to foreigners (extranjeros) so no surprises there either.

Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on August 31, 2014, 03:53:37 PM
Well we lost our younger's daughter age 27, to a brain tumor, I can say I do not blame them for taking their child abroad.

By the time her doctor found out the problem a year had gone by, waiting six weeks to obtain her first brain scan unless she was willing to go private, they told her there was no problem, six weeks later she lost feelings on one half of her body, they rushed her for another brain scan because they lost the first result, they found out it was terminal, by then it was the size of a golf ball, they said there was nothing they could do, we took her home to die.

Absolutely awful Colin.  We lost our mum to cancer.  A local doctor was treating her for osteoporosis, a wholly incompetent and erroneous diagnosis.  This went on for nearly a year and in the end she was virtually bed bound and unable to go downstairs.  They decided they would then do a scan and she was taken into hospital where they pumped her with morphine, so much so she was delirious the last time I saw her.  She never did get to see the consultant, she died the next morning.  When I made a formal complaint they had the cheek to blame my mother for not reporting her symptoms in the first place.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Moderator on August 31, 2014, 05:34:29 PM
Grandmother's anger and worry over Ashya events

(http://i.imgur.com/GaNj5X7.png?1)

The grandmother of Ashya King has spoken out about the latest developments since Ashya's parents decided to take the five-year-old out of hospital in Southampton and travel abroad.

Patricia King, mother of Brett King, said the police had "gone over the top".

Mrs King was speaking to the BBC's Ben Moore.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29004457
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: VIXTE on August 31, 2014, 05:35:13 PM
This case makes me cry. The feeling of injustice today for me is enormous. This poor poor family!
The policeman on Sky News -sorry it was BBC -  was stammering, while trying to find excuses.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Moderator on August 31, 2014, 06:40:04 PM
Ashya's parents to appear before judge at an Extradition hearing in Malaga tomorrow.  It has been revealed that Hampshire Constabulary are alleging a charge of cruelty of a minor.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: VIXTE on August 31, 2014, 07:48:31 PM
ITV is reporting they are in front of a judge this evening.. I thought the courts cases are heard during the mornings?

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-08-31/ashya-kings-parents-taken-to-court-but-charges-unclear/
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on September 01, 2014, 01:38:41 AM
ITV is reporting they are in front of a judge this evening.. I thought the courts cases are heard during the mornings?

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-08-31/ashya-kings-parents-taken-to-court-but-charges-unclear/

The hearing in front of a judge will be held in Madrid later this morning.  The Kings lawyer will also attend if they have one.

They will have the extradition request read to them and asked if they agree or contest the extradition.  If they say yes they will be handed over to the British cops at the airport once the agreement is formally ratified by the Spanish Government. If they contest the extradition request they will be held in custody at Valdemoro prison just outside Madrid until a full formal request for extradition can be made.  This procedure can take many months to arrange as I myself have experienced.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Carana on September 01, 2014, 10:37:18 AM
Update from Naveed

Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on September 01, 2014, 10:54:02 AM
I hope they are given the proper information which will allow them to agree to the extradition.  When I was in the exact same situation I was not given any information so my lawyer told me to say no.  This was illegal under the terms of the Extradition Act which rendered my own extradition illegal.  Under the Law the person sought has to have sufficient information which will allow them to make an 'informed decision' as to the consequences of their decision.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on September 01, 2014, 11:32:30 AM
Now they are attempting to make Ashya a Ward of Court as Hampshire's police and crime commissioner seeks to defend his actions.



Commissioner defends Hampshire Police action to find Ashya King

(http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/webimage/1.6271035.1409560439!/image/563756429.jpg_gen/derivatives/articleImgDeriv_628px/563756429.jpg)

Hampshire’s police and crime commissioner has defended police action to find Ashya King.


Simons Hayes said the police worked to safeguard the five-year-old Southsea boy who has a brain tumour.

His parents are due to appear in a Spanish court after being arrested. They face extradition proceedings while their son is being treated at Materno-Infantil Hospital in Malaga.

‘Hampshire police have done absolutely the right thing they needed to do to secure and safeguard the life of Ashya,’ he told BBC Radio Solent.

‘I think the motivation for the police was to find Ashya as quickly as possible so he could receive the treatment that the medical professionals were saying he needed.


‘A European arrest warrant is not just issued on the whim of a police officer in Hampshire.

‘The CPS have to look at the evidence presented.’

He said a district judge also looked at the evidence to issue the warrant.

Mr Hayes added: ‘Separate proceedings issued in order to make Ashya a ward of court.’

www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/commissioner-defends-hampshire-police-action-to-find-ashya-king-1-6271037
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Angelo222 on September 01, 2014, 12:05:57 PM
All this talk about the liquid feed that Ashya was getting or not getting and now he is getting a different one in Malaya.

Can anyone imagine the trauma that this child is enduring being ill and among strangers who are speaking a foreign language?  Preventing his family from visiting him is very cruel but this is Spain.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on September 01, 2014, 01:41:28 PM
Extradition hearing has been adjourned until tomorrow so Mr and Mrs King will be taken to Valdemoro Prison meantime.  This prison has both male and female facilities and also houses Brit nationals.  They must be feeling absolutely grubby now considering what they have been through.  I don't believe they even have had a change of clothes or a proper wash since they were arrested, everything in Spain is left to the families to provide.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: abs on September 01, 2014, 01:58:52 PM
Poor people, POOR CHILD! They are obviously desperate. They should receive some help, not THIS!!!
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: julie on September 01, 2014, 02:10:45 PM
The police are calling it a case of suspected child neglect which is a offence in England.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: xtina on September 01, 2014, 05:24:05 PM
The police are calling it a case of suspected child neglect which is a offence in England.


it wasn't neglect though was it...........they had their child's best interest at heart......

they intended selling their holiday home ....to pay for his treatment ...[unlike some]
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: DCI on September 01, 2014, 05:35:33 PM

it wasn't neglect though was it...........they had their child's best interest at heart......

they intended selling their holiday home ....to pay for his treatment ...[unlike some]

INTENDED?

How long would it have taken to sell it though. The child is critically ill. I don't  call that in his best interests!
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: xtina on September 01, 2014, 05:59:30 PM
INTENDED?

How long would it have taken to sell it though. The child is critically ill. I don't  call that in his best interests!

the child is terminally ill ...they wanted better treatment...wanted to do every thing they could..as parents

Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: ferryman on September 01, 2014, 06:10:31 PM
the child is terminally ill ...they wanted better treatment...wanted to do every thing they could..as parents


UK doctors at the Southampton General hospital reckoned Ashya had (has!) an excellent chance of survival under treatments available at that hospital.

And the concern about food was whether Ashya's parents have the technical expertise to give it to him by means of the equipment to give it to him; not whether they had the food.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: sadie on September 01, 2014, 06:17:25 PM
I would have felt considerably safer leaving my child in our effectively locked apartment whilst I was eating 50 metres away in what was the garden to the apartment, than removing my desperately ill child from the treatment he was about to have in hospital. 

Remember, only once (that I know of) has a child been abducted from their bed ... and that child was Madeleine.  So no previous history of such a happening.


I lost my son to exactly the same agreesive tumour as Aysha has.  Medulla Blastoma.  They told me that it was a fast growing tumour on the top of the spine growing into and pressing on to the brain.  His brain was spot irradiated as was his spine, but then it returned on the base of his spine.  It grew so rapidly. 

Time is so important with these damned agressive tumours, every hour is important.  I wouldn't have removed my son at that stage,


BUT, unless tbeir religion, Jehovas Witnesses, had anything to do with it, I hesitate to criticize the family, 
They sound very caring parents and I admire them for their compasionn and endeavour.  And I think the Spanish Authorities are being far too heavy handed.


Despite the odds being steeply against him, I pray that he might recover.  But FGS let them get on with it.  Time is so important.


(((((  HUGS  )))))) for little Aysha and (((((  HUGS ))))) for all the family.  My love to you all.


sadie x
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: ferryman on September 01, 2014, 06:23:42 PM
From a provincial Southampton newspaper:

POLICE chiefs in Hampshire have this afternoon obtained a European arrest warrant for the parents of desperately ill Ashya King.

Assistant Chief Constable Chris Shead said the warrant was obtained on the grounds of neglect but using it would be a last resort.

He said officers "would much prefer for them to come forward voluntarily" as he described how the force was working closely with Spanish police to find the little boy who has now been away from medical teams for more than 48 hours.

He said: "'I can confirm we have obtained a European arrest warrant. What that will do is, when we find Ashya and his family, it will allow us to talk to his parents about what happened.

''Clearly we need to find out what their motive is in taking Ashya.''

Mr Shead said the European arrest warrant was based around ''neglect'' but added: ''That does not necessarily mean they would be charged with that offence.

''It purely gives us the power to arrest and then we'll be able to speak to them.''






Meanwhile Hampshire police's major investigation team believes Ashya's family may have taken steps to be able to feed him.

Assistant chief constable Shead said: "Health experts tell us with the proper medical care Ashya has a good chance of survival, but he must get that professional care.

"The feeding system that Ashya needs and the other associated medical care is complex, and I would appeal to Ashya's family not to think that they are able to administer this care themselves.

"The doctors assure me that proper medical training is required for the level of care that Ashya needs.


"I would also appeal to the medical profession, particularly in Spain, to contact the Spanish authorities if they feel that Ashya's family have presented or made enquiries at medical facilities.


"We continue to appeal directly to people living in and around Marbella, where we still have reason to believe the family may be heading.

"If you see the vehicle, or if you think you may have seen Brett, Naghmeh, Ashya and the six other children, please call us now on +441962 841534 or dial the European emergency number on 112 as soon as possible."

It comes after police in Spain were seeking the permission the permission of a judge to widen the desperate search to find little Ashya King.

Officers in the Marbella area were due to attend court so they could be sanctioned to mobilise more resources to find the five-year-old boy who is seriously ill following surgery to remove a large brain tumour.

It is understood police cars have been seen outside a property in Marbella.

The youngster is feared to have been without any form of medical help for 48 hours, since his father Brett King, 51, wheeled him out of Southampton General Hospital at 2pm on Thursday.

Within two hours they, along with Ashya’s mum Naghmeh and his six siblings, had boarded a Brittany Ferries sailing to Cherbourg in France.

Leading the cross Europe search to find Ashya before it is too late, Assistant Chief Constable Chris Shead told the Daily Echo this afternoon that there had been “strong leads” suggesting the family could be in Marbella.

It is also believed they have a holiday home there.

However, he warned that it was vital the search remained as wide and high profile as possible – fearing that the family may have left the area because they want to avoid being found.

He said: “Sightings point to them heading in that direction but we cannot afford to take the risk that they know they have been seen and have therefore turned around and gone somewhere else.

“We cannot ignore other possibilities.

“The police out there are going to a presiding judge in Spain which will allow them to mobilise more resources and extend and coordinate further activity out there, across a bigger area.”

Ast Chf Cons Shead said hospitals right across Europe were today also being contacted and put on alert. Police are also trying to ascertain if Ashya has already been taken to one of them for treatment as his health deteriorates.

He added: “It’s not beyond possibility that Ashya’s parents have heard or read our appeal and have taken him to a hospital somewhere.

“He could even have been admitted under a different name.

“While there is nothing to suggest any of this has happened at the moment, we cannot rule out the fact it might have.

ASt Chf Cons Shead also appealed to British expats living in Marbella as well as holidaymakers in the area to be vigilant and help lead police to Ashya so he can receive the urgent medical help he needs.



So Ashya has an excellent chance of survival (an assessment based on treatments available in the UK).

And the police have not vowed definitely that they will press charges against the parents, but (understandably) they do want to talk to the parents to gain a clearer picture of what, actually, has happened.

As a wider precedent, you simply cannot allow a situation where parents are allowed to gainsay the judgment of medical professionals at will.

That isn't to say that medical professionals are always right (of course, sometimes, they are not) but they are likely to be right more often than others who are not specialists in the field of medicine ...
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 01, 2014, 06:28:26 PM
You are making a judgement without knowing all the facts..seems to be a problem with some on here. One point is that there appears to be very little evidence to show that proton beam therapy is effective in these cases whereas standard radiotherapy has plenty of evidence to support it...not enough information to make a valid judgement.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Anna on September 01, 2014, 11:15:07 PM
Poor little fellow and his poor parents  8(8-)) I can relate to this, as someone very close to me has a brain tumour and should have had surgery, but after a lot of research, I found that there was a chance of a cure .....without the surgery which I was told could kill him, blind him, paralyse him, or leave him in another world. The doctors insisted there was no alternative.
The night before surgery we took him home and after many visits to specialist we found..Dr Brada in Royal Marsden, who thought they could help.It was beams directed at the tumour daily for 6 weeks. they had to make a special headpiece.....Very clever. He has regular scans and although it is still there it is not growing. This treatment was not available on NHS, so Private. I know how desperate these parents must be, since there are restrictions with him being a child. My heart goes out to the family and I wish them every success in getting the treatment they believe the child needs, which I pray will work for him
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Angelo222 on September 02, 2014, 11:04:36 AM
It just goes to show how little power Nick Clegg has as deputy pm when even he cannot give clear direction to the CPS in Hampshire.  I have always been of the opinion that these CPS jobsworths have far too much power.  Be in no doubt, this fiasco could be brought to an end instantly had the CPS the will to want to do so.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on September 02, 2014, 01:12:10 PM
It just goes to show how little power Nick Clegg has as deputy pm when even he cannot give clear direction to the CPS in Hampshire.  I have always been of the opinion that these CPS jobsworths have far too much power.  Be in no doubt, this fiasco could be brought to an end instantly had the CPS the will to want to do so.

The blame game has now started with police blaming the hospital.  Seems the Kings are launching a civil action against the hospital too.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Anna on September 02, 2014, 02:14:25 PM
Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg has called for the parents of brain tumour patient Ashya King to be released from custody and reunited with their son.Brett and Naghemeh King are being held by police in Madrid after removing Ashya from hospital in Southampton and travelling to Spain.
There have been growing calls for their release after they spent another night away from the five-year-old.
Mr Clegg said his "heart goes out" to the parents .
"A little boy is on his own in a hospital, I would like to see him with his family as soon as possible," he said.
"As far as I can make out, this is a family in a state of real anguish who have taken this exceptional step of moving their sick child to another country because they think that's what is best for their child."
He believes it is "not appropriate" to "throw the full force of the law" at the parents.
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said the case against the couple was under "immediate review" after further evidence was provided.
A spokesman said: "Once this evidence has been thoroughly examined, a decision will then be made as to whether a prosecution is required."
Donna Jones, the leader of Portsmouth City Council, the authority which began legal action after Ashya was removed from hospital without his doctors' consent, has urged the CPS to "remove any extradition proceedings, so the family can be reunited".
Meanwhile, the couple's lawyer in Spain, Juan Isidro Fernandez Diaz, said they are preparing to take legal action against Southampton General Hospital.
Ashya King's father Brett spoke in a YouTube video explaining why they had travelled to Spain
He said they "wanted the very best for their child."
"They never thought that they committed any crime in the UK," he added.
More than 100,000 people have signed an online petition demanding Ashya be reunited with his parents.
Some celebrities have turned to twitter to offer their support to the King family.
Former footballer and presenter Gary Lineker, tweeted: "I know what it's like to have a child fighting for their life. You do anything you think is for the best.
"Someone needs to explain why Aysha King's parents are being detained? Seems they just want the best treatment for their child."
While TV presenter Piers Morgan, tweeted: "Get that poor boy back with his parents now."
Ashya's eldest brother Danny King said he had been allowed to visit the five-year-old
Hampshire Constabulary obtained a European arrest warrant on 29 August on the grounds the Kings neglected their son.
A High Court judge in Madrid ruled on Monday they will remain in custody for a maximum of 72 hours while he considers granting bail.
One of his brothers was allowed to visit Ashya on Monday night, the family lawyer said.
Mr King, 51, and Mrs King, 45, were arrested on Saturday night in Velez-Malaga.
The family took Ashya from Southampton General Hospital last Thursday and travelled to France with him and his six siblings before heading to the Costa del Sol in southern Spain.
They want him to receive a treatment which they say was not made available to him on the NHS.
Proton beam therapy is only available on the NHS for eye conditions.
Dr Michael Marsh, medical director at University Hospital Southampton NHS Foundation Trust, said: "It's really important that the family and the medical and nursing teams have good communication and relationships.
"In Ashya's case we really regret that the communication and relationship broke down to the extent that the family lost trust in the team that were caring for him."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29026266
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on September 02, 2014, 04:51:40 PM
Wessex CPS have now relented and are cancelling the extradition request, they have also stated that the Kings will not be facing any charges.

Meanwhile, the Spanish judge is furious at the UK authorities for misleading them over the arrest.  The Kings are to be released shortly and should be back with Ashya late tonight or early tomorrow.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Anna on September 02, 2014, 04:55:33 PM
Wessex CPS have now relented and are cancelling the extradition request, they have also stated that the Kings will not be facing any charges.

Meanwhile, the Spanish judge is furious at the UK authorities for misleading them over the arrest.  The Kings are to be released shortly and should be back with Ashya late tonight or early tomorrow.

Fantastic news  8@??)( 8((()*/ ?{)(**
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Eleanor on September 02, 2014, 05:46:49 PM

What a disgusting fiasco this has been.  But these people always go too far in the end.

The NHS should now just pay for that child's treatment abroad.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 02, 2014, 10:27:48 PM
it may well be that the parents are denying their son his best chance of life...it will be interesting what happens next
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: VIXTE on September 03, 2014, 12:10:54 AM
What a fantastic united family. Young sons well brought up, stable, polite and able to organise the huge petition and same time look after small siblings. I wish the best outcome for this great family!

If I got it right the little boy is still the ward of court and the parents still have no parental rights to make decisions about his further treatment?

I hope they would not bring him back to UK and treat him with the old fashioned radiation and chemo against the wishes of his parents?
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on September 04, 2014, 08:11:12 PM
I notice impediments are still being put in the family's way.  It beggars belief that even now the Kings are being obstructed in what they want in the best interest of their own child.  I wonder if these officials who have been responsible for what has happened over the last few days are as good with their own children?
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 05, 2014, 08:07:40 AM
I notice impediments are still being put in the family's way.  It beggars belief that even now the Kings are being obstructed in what they want in the best interest of their own child.  I wonder if these officials who have been responsible for what has happened over the last few days are as good with their own children?

lets see what happens in court today....The father is on record as saying that the uk treatment would kill him or turn him into a vegetable..that is ridiculous..when Ashya was taken from hospital his life was at risk...the European Arrest Warrant was the only way of finding him quickly and get him to a hospital which is what was needed and happened. He needs chemo now which he is not getting...that isn't the doctors fault....
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 05, 2014, 08:09:43 AM
What a disgusting fiasco this has been.  But these people always go too far in the end.

The NHS should now just pay for that child's treatment abroad.

what about all the other children with brain tumours..we need to hear what his doctors have to say..at they moment they can't say a thing due to patient confidentality
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Eleanor on September 05, 2014, 09:09:59 AM
what about all the other children with brain tumours..we need to hear what his doctors have to say..at they moment they can't say a thing due to patient confidentality

Having them arrested on a EAW and locked up was a bit over the top, don't you think.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on September 05, 2014, 02:12:24 PM
lets see what happens in court today....The father is on record as saying that the uk treatment would kill him or turn him into a vegetable..that is ridiculous..when Ashya was taken from hospital his life was at risk...the European Arrest Warrant was the only way of finding him quickly and get him to a hospital which is what was needed and happened. He needs chemo now which he is not getting...that isn't the doctors fault....

Plenty of other parents interviewed over the last week have said the same thing that the mass chemo treatment killed their children.  The Kings did right imo, had they not done what they did then Ashya would not be getting Proton Therpy treatment and would have died or been left a vegetable.

The Southampton General doctors keep saying now that Ashya would have got the best treatment available.  The point being lost in all of this is, that their treatment was NOT THE BEST AVAILABLE ELSEWHERE.

Lets face it, the NHS is no longer the world-class service it once was.

 
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 05, 2014, 04:02:13 PM
Having them arrested on a EAW and locked up was a bit over the top, don't you think.
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From what the doctors said the boy was at serious risk of death unless hospitalised and an EAW was the only way to find ashya quickly...the Spanish did not have to keep the parents in custody...why were they not bailed]
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 05, 2014, 04:05:50 PM
Plenty of other parents interviewed over the last week have said the same thing that the mass chemo treatment killed their children.  The Kings did right imo, had they not done what they did then Ashya would not be getting Proton Therpy treatment and would have died or been left a vegetable.

The Southampton General doctors keep saying now that Ashya would have got the best treatment available.  The point being lost in all of this is, that their treatment was NOT THE BEST AVAILABLE ELSEWHERE.

Lets face it, the NHS is no longer the world-class service it once was.

First Ashya needs chemo first...it is designed to heal..not to kill

Parents could not have arranged alternative treatment until flat was sold...months

Who says proton therapy is the best treatment option in this case
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mills on September 05, 2014, 07:39:45 PM
First Ashya needs chemo first...it is designed to heal..not to kill

Parents could not have arranged alternative treatment until flat was sold...months

Who says proton therapy is the best treatment option in this case
he needed that chemo like a hole in the head poor kid so his parents took positive action to get him the treatment he deserves which just so happens to be in Prague
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: julie on September 05, 2014, 07:47:45 PM
he needed that chemo like a hole in the head poor kid so his parents took positive action to get him the treatment he deserves which just so happens to be in Prague
i so applaud them for doing the right thing and making a positive effort to get little ashya the help he needs  8((()*/ 8((()*/ 8((()*/
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Angelo222 on September 05, 2014, 07:56:42 PM
First Ashya needs chemo first...it is designed to heal..not to kill

Parents could not have arranged alternative treatment until flat was sold...months

Who says proton therapy is the best treatment option in this case

You obviously don't understand how the bog standard NHS treatment works Davel.  Don't you realise that it is a mass radiation treatment and kills cells in every part of the brain, both good and bad?  It is a second rate treatment and a cheap alternative to that offered in specialist centres such as the one in the Czech Republic. 
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Eleanor on September 06, 2014, 01:45:41 AM

Do you know?  I can't even be bothered to talk about this.  I am so incensed that I am beyond reasonable discussion.

I don't actually care about what anyone might be able to do for this child.  I only care about who the f..k these people think they are when it comes to depriving the rights of his parents.

I have known about this shite for quite some time.  But it has to stop.

And No, I haven't said anything at all amazing.  Which could well be the problem.  How f..king dare they.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2014, 09:25:33 AM
You obviously don't understand how the bog standard NHS treatment works Davel.  Don't you realise that it is a mass radiation treatment and kills cells in every part of the brain, both good and bad?  It is a second rate treatment and a cheap alternative to that offered in specialist centres such as the one in the Czech Republic.

This is what Ashya's consultant in the UK says...

However, Dr Peter Wilson, lead paediatrician at Southampton General Hospital, has insisted that Ashya’s best chance of survival is conventional radiotherapy.


Dr Wilson, who cared for Ashya in Britain, said the boy’s form of  cancer – called medulloblastoma – was not suitable for proton beam therapy because radiation was needed over a much wider area to kill all the cancerous cells.





Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Angelo222 on September 07, 2014, 01:33:07 PM
Davel also appears to have a problem with the King family taking 5 year old Ashya out of hospital in order to get specialist treatment in another country.  Puzzling??
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: carlymichelle on September 07, 2014, 01:36:10 PM
Davel also appears to have a problem with the King family taking 5 year old Ashya out of hospital in order to get specialist treatment in another country.  Puzzling??

yep he is getting treatment in italy i think .where was  daves  outrage at  the parents being stopped seeing their much loved little boy davel is weird imo
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2014, 01:43:14 PM
Davel also appears to have a problem with the King family taking 5 year old Ashya out of hospital in order to get specialist treatment in another country.  Puzzling??

like most others angelo you have taken a very simplistic approach to the case...what I have questioned is...is Ashya Going to get the best medical treatment for his condition...you seem to think you are an expert on this topic..you are not...his consultant in Southampton believes traditional radiotherapy would be better for him...he may well be right..
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2014, 02:12:55 PM
Davel also appears to have a problem with the King family taking 5 year old Ashya out of hospital in order to get specialist treatment in another country.  Puzzling??

it isn't puzzling when you actually have an understanding of how these things work...which you don't...quote from the guardian..

But doctors from Southampton, speaking for the first time, told the Guardian that Ashya would not get the extra benefit from the treatment in Prague that his parents wanted, because most of his brain and spine will still have to be irradiated.

They also said that an application to a specialist board for NHS funding for proton beam therapy for Ashya was turned down earlier this week. The NHS funds children under certain circumstances to get proton beam therapy abroad and Southampton has often sent such patients for the treatment, but an application for Ashya to have it was rejected because it offers no benefit over conventional radiotherapy. The side effects will be the same
.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on September 07, 2014, 02:39:30 PM
it isn't puzzling when you actually have an understanding of how these things work...which you don't...quote from the guardian..

But doctors from Southampton, speaking for the first time, told the Guardian that Ashya would not get the extra benefit from the treatment in Prague that his parents wanted, because most of his brain and spine will still have to be irradiated.

They also said that an application to a specialist board for NHS funding for proton beam therapy for Ashya was turned down earlier this week. The NHS funds children under certain circumstances to get proton beam therapy abroad and Southampton has often sent such patients for the treatment, but an application for Ashya to have it was rejected because it offers no benefit over conventional radiotherapy. The side effects will be the same
.

Ashya would have had no chance at all if his parents hadn't taken him out of Southampton General.  Now at least he has a fighting chance with the specialist proton therapy denied to him by the consultants in Southampton.

The evidence speaks for itself, we have heard from several parents since Asha's case hit the headlines whose child succumbed to mass radiation treatment having also been denied proton therapy by Southampton.  Proton therapy can be targeted on the cancerous cells in the brain and avoid the undamaged ones.  Limited mass radiation can be applied at any time thereafter.  No matter what way one looks at this, the specialised treatment wins hands down every time.

Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2014, 04:32:15 PM
Ashya would have had no chance at all if his parents hadn't taken him out of Southampton General.  Now at least he has a fighting chance with the specialist proton therapy denied to him by the consultants in Southampton.

The evidence speaks for itself, we have heard from several parents since Asha's case hit the headlines whose child succumbed to mass radiation treatment having also been denied proton therapy by Southampton.  Proton therapy can be targeted on the cancerous cells in the brain and avoid the undamaged ones.  Limited mass radiation can be applied at any time thereafter.  No matter what way one looks at this, the specialised treatment wins hands down every time.

What are you basing your opinons on John...a couple of articles in a newspaper...according to the consultant Southampton have sent several children for proton therapy abroad but it was not considered beneficial for Ashya..but what do the doctors know compared to what you have picked up on the net in the last couple of days
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on September 08, 2014, 12:23:38 PM
What are you basing your opinons on John...a couple of articles in a newspaper...according to the consultant Southampton have sent several children for proton therapy abroad but it was not considered beneficial for Ashya..but what do the doctors know compared to what you have picked up on the net in the last couple of days

It isn't an opinion but fact.  Mass radiation treatment irradiates the entire brain killing both good and cancerous cells.  Ashya would have lost brain function and might even have died from such therapy.  Proton Therapy on the other hand combined with minimal mass radiation treatment targets the damaged cells and avoids damaging the healthy ones.  Which part of this don't you understand Dave?
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on September 08, 2014, 02:28:33 PM
Ashya King arrives at Prague hospital

Ashya King has arrived at a hospital in Prague after being given permission to travel. The five-year-old left a hospital in Malaga this morning, where he has been treated since his parents were arrested more than a week ago. Ashya is expected to undergo proton therapy treatment at a separate clinic.

The clinic where Ashya will receive the specalist Proton Therapy treatment has confirmed that his father will later today visit the facility in Prague.  A spokesman for the clinic said, "Mr King will be shown the facility; he will be introduced to the process of treatment and to a team of the attending physicians and physicists."

It must be remembered that it was public opinion and generosity on sites such as facebook and twitter that have brought this about...people power at its finest!
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: sadie on September 09, 2014, 12:34:25 AM
It isn't an opinion but fact.  Mass radiation treatment irradiates the entire brain killing both good and cancerous cells.  Ashya would have lost brain function and might even have died from such therapy.  Proton Therapy on the other hand combined with minimal mass radiation treatment targets the damaged cells and avoids damaging the healthy ones.  Which part of this don't you understand Dave?
My little boy had targetted radiation John.  He had a head protecting helmet made specially for him.  This covered his whole brain to keep unwanted radiation away except for the tumour.  That was narrow beam targetted directly by a directional access point thru the helmet.  The same with his spine, an access point throught the top of his helmet was targetted at the tunour on the top of his spine, but also the radiation was designed to pass straight down the spine to irradiate the whole spine.

We were lucky that we had the top expert in the Midlands, some said in the country.  Important people used to fly in from abroad to be treated by him ... but the bottom line was that there was only a 25% success rate ... and I wonder if they stretched that to give us hope.

Of course all this was almost 40 years ago... and things will have progressed hopefully.  Unhappily my understanding is that things have only improved in a very limited way with brain tumours. 

I wonder, if this proton therapy is targetted like the radiation treatment my son received, cos if it is, maybe Atsha will suffer the same rather random Hit and Miss that happened with my little boys treatment.  Despite every effort being made to hit the right spot, I wonder if it only partailly achieved its target.


Surely with modern techniques they can make sure the treatment is precisely targetted and achieving its aim?  without that, I fear the success rate will be little higher than 40 years ago @25%.   


However, my understanding is that if the proton treatment is successful in killing the tumour, then Ayshas quality of life will be better than my boys life might have been.  We knew that amongst other things, had he survived, he would have been sterile.  No joke that.

Proton Therapy apparantly does not kill the good tissue, but just the tumour.  The old treatment killed everything in its narrow beam of radiation, good and bad.



The world is watching.   I feel sure that Aysha will get the best treatment possible and hope that he and the Medics together can beat the odds.  If they can, after recovery, it seems that he will be able to return to a healthy and full life   


They are all going thru hell atm.    My love goes out to the whole family.   


May Aysha be one of the lucky ones.




I would like to point out that I am not an expert in any way, but have been thru it and have an understanding becos of that.  I am not sure that I would have done what the family did, becos of the risks and delay to the treatment, but they have been lucky [after the appalling treatment of the parents in Spain; that makes me so angry] in that things seem to have fallen in place. 

To be brutally honest, the idea of selling the apartment to raise the money was very loving, but rather ill conceived, because it would have been too late.  Medulla Blastomas are viscious rapid growing tumours.  Thank goodness they are getting on with the treatment agian.

Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Moderator on September 10, 2014, 01:30:05 PM
Thank you for sharing your experiences with us Sadie.  The Proton Therapy is cutting edge technology and when combined with the very latest scanning techniques can pinpoint cancerous cells and radiate them instantly.  Ashya has a wonderful chance for a full recovery while maintaining brain function thanks to this technology.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on September 10, 2014, 04:49:21 PM
Thank you for sharing your experiences with us Sadie.  The Proton Therapy is cutting edge technology and when combined with the very latest scanning techniques can pinpoint cancerous cells and radiate them instantly.  Ashya has a wonderful chance for a full recovery while maintaining brain function thanks to this technology.

Ashya is having a week of rest in a private clinic before the treatment proper commences at the Proton Therapy Clinic on Monday.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 10, 2014, 08:58:52 PM
Ashya is having a week of rest in a private clinic before the treatment proper commences at the Proton Therapy Clinic on Monday.

From what I have read Ashya does not need pinpoint radiation but will need fairly large areas of his brain irradiated and this is why proton therapy was deemed to have no benefit.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on September 11, 2014, 02:10:25 AM
From what I have read Ashya does not need pinpoint radiation but will need fairly large areas of his brain irradiated and this is why proton therapy was deemed to have no benefit.

He will need both Dave but the chemo to a much lesser degree which will leave him with brain function rather than being left in a permanent vegetative state.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 11, 2014, 08:03:20 AM
What the f..k were Hampshire Police thinking about when they issued an arrest warrant, I can't believe the insensitivity of these idiots.  And now we know that Ashya has been taken from the only people he knows and his parents stuck in a f.....g dungeon below Malaga police station.  UNBELIEVABLE!!!

Earlier this week we heard how Rotherham Police effectively let a bunch of paedophiles and rapists off the hook having abused over 1400 children and now these f.....g idiots in Hampshire do this to loving parents. What the hell is this country coming to?

Ashya was in serious danger as he had no gag reflex and needed to be in hospital..the EAW was the best way to find him quickly
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 11, 2014, 08:05:50 AM
He will need both Dave but the chemo to a much lesser degree which will leave him with brain function rather than being left in a permanent vegetative state.

How many children who receive conventional radiation are left in a permanent vegetative state...trey and stick to the facts
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on September 15, 2014, 03:40:26 PM
How many children who receive conventional radiation are left in a permanent vegetative state...trey and stick to the facts

Those are the facts.  Removal of a brain tumour followed by mass radiation treatment such as chemotherapy destroys healthy brain cells as well as cancerous ones. The consequences of this can range from various levels of loss of cognitive ability through to death.

Proton Therapy treatment combined with limited chemotherapy like that which Ashya is having today targets the cancerous cells and greatly reduces the chances of long term brain damage.

Conventional chemotherapy works on the basis that healthy cells will rejuvenate quicker than cancerous cells with the latter eventually dying altogether while the former recover over time.  Anything which avoids unnecessary damage to the brain can only be good news and that is why more and more parents are demanding proton therapy for their children.

If the Ashya King case has done anything, it has opened the eyes of the public as to what is being offered as a 'best care' under the NHS compared to the cutting edge medical expertise which is available elsewhere at a price.

Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Anna on September 24, 2014, 08:56:03 PM
It is the same treatment that someone very dear to me had in The Royal Marston London


PRAGUE POST | The Voice of Prague
 Eight days in, Ashya King’s therapy proceeds ‘according to plan’
[/b] [/u] Details Category: Prague News Published: 23 September 2014 Written by Czech News Agency Hits: 116
 Proton center’s spokeswoman says it is still too early to make a prognosis; 23 radiations remain
Prague, Sept. 23 (ČTK) — The proton therapy of five-year-old Ashya King, a Briton who suffers from brain tumor, is proceeding according to plan, but it is too early to make any prognosis, Prague Proton Centre spokeswoman Iva Taťounová told the Czech News Agency today.
Pavlína Danková, spokeswoman for the Prague–Motol Teaching Hospital from where the boy is transported to the Proton Centre on a daily basis, confirmed that no complications have occurred.
The boy underwent the first treatment session Sept. 15. Today he had his seventh session. In total, 30 radiation sessions have been planned for him. The proton therapy lasts six weeks.
The previous seven radiations and the next six ones focus on the whole brain to ensure that the tumor does not spread further to the body. The remaining 17 radiations will be targeted at the brain tumor.
Taťounová said the boy's motor activity has been improving, and he has been rehabilitating. This improvement occurred as more time has passed from an operation Ashya King had undergone when he was still in Britain, she said.
The proton treatment saves the healthy tissues around the tumor.
The parents took Ashya to Spain from a British hospital without doctors' knowledge in late August. They reportedly wanted to sell a recreation facility they had in Spain to get money for the treatment. British authorities issued an arrest warrant on them citing neglect of care. Before they withdrew it, the Kings spent several days in custody.
The family came to Prague Sept. 8. The parents need 1.8 million Kč to pay for the
treatment.
http://www.praguepost.com/prague-news/41704-eight-days-in-ashya-king-s-therapy-proceeds-according-to-plan
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Mr Gray on October 17, 2014, 06:50:52 AM
I see Ashya's parents now want £50,000 from the cancer charity even though the NHS has funded the treatment. makes me think that they were a difficult couple for the doctors  to deal with
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on October 19, 2014, 03:13:47 PM
I see Ashya's parents now want £50,000 from the cancer charity even though the NHS has funded the treatment. makes me think that they were a difficult couple for the doctors  to deal with

Please don't judge Dave until you know all the facts.

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Latest: Ashya pictured with brother Naveed yesterday in Prague.

The English NHS is funding the cost of treatment as well as the family's expenses while they are at the Proton Treatment Clinic.  The children's charity has not paid any money to the family even though many people donated on the basis that they wanted their donation to go to the Kings.  Many people are angry at this.

Many others like myself sent a donation directly to the facebook campaign's PayPal account and this money together with other money donated directly to the campaign's Spansh bank account together with the media fee for their story has been used for expenses including £20,000 for a private jet which was needed to fly Ashya to the clinic.

The money now being asked for is to cover the cost of lawyers fees both in the UK and in Spain which the family were forced to run up through no fault of their own.  The charity has never paid out money for legal fees before so this is where their difficulty lies.

As far as Ashya's progress is concerned, Naveed reports that he commences his last week of treatment tomorrow.  He is recuperating nicely and is beginning to take food orally.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on October 19, 2014, 05:34:10 PM
Regulator to ask charity how it will use funds raised for Ashya King's medical treatment

17 October 2014

The five-year-old was the subject of media attention when his parents removed him from a UK hospital and took him to Spain; Kids 'n' Cancer UK said it would pay for treatment he couldn't get here.

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The Charity Commission will ask the charity Kids ‘n’ Cancer UK how it will spend money originally raised to pay for specialist cancer treatment for Ashya King, the British boy whose parents were arrested in Spain in August after removing him from a UK hospital.

The case of the five-year-old was the subject of national and international attention in the summer after his parents were arrested for taking him from a hospital in Southampton and thence to Spain to seek treatment not available on the NHS.

On their release, the family went to Prague in the Czech Republic, and last month the NHS said it would pay for the proton therapy treatment King had begun receiving.

The Derbyshire charity Kids ‘n’ Cancer, which has objects of relieving sickness and providing support to and advancing the education of children suffering from cancer, offered to pay £100,000 towards proton therapy treatment when the case first hit the news.

"We didn’t know Prague was going to happen; we’d have preferred for them to go Jacksonville or Oklahoma in the US because we have experience working in those places," Mike Hyman, chief executive of the charity, told Third Sector.

Hyman said he was then contacted by Sanjay Ganatra, who had started a JustGiving page to raise money for Kids‘n’Cancer to pay for King’s treatment. The page had a fundraising target of £100,000 and said that any excess would be spent elsewhere by Kids ‘n’ Cancer. It was shut down yesterday, having raised slightly more than £50,000.

Separately, the Kings’ older son Naveed used his YouTube channel to encourage the public to donate money directly to the family's private bank account. Hyman said he understood that the family had raised more than £200,000 – this included money paid into that account, £100,000 from an individual major donor, £25,000 from the crowdfunding platform Indiegogo and £30,000 paid to the family by other charities.

Hyman said the family had then emailed him asking for the charity to give them the money to be used for legal expenses. Hyman said: "We can’t do that; our terms and conditions are about helping people get treated and supporting them while they’re doing that." He said he would meet the charity’s trustees on Friday afternoon to discuss what to do with the £50,000.

"At the end of the day, the charity would have paid for Ashya’s treatment if nothing else had been raised," Hyman said. "Nobody knew the health services would have backtracked. We would have paid for this boy’s treatment and living costs."

Ganatra said he had taken down the JustGiving page because he had been the subject of online abuse, which caused him stress and strained his already ill health. "I’ve got nothing to hide and Kids ‘n’ Cancer has nothing to hide," he said.

A spokeswoman for the commission said: "We are aware of media reports concerning funds raised by the charity Kids ‘n’ Cancer UK for the treatment of Ashya King. We will be requesting information from the trustees about how much was raised by the Ashya King appeal and how the funds will be used, because it appears that the funds are no longer needed to fund Ashya’s medical treatment."

The spokeswoman said that the commission had guidance on its website for trustees to follow "when appeals don’t go to plan".

The commission has a case open on the charity, involving its fundraising practices and financial controls. "These concerns were raised with us by members of the public and are separate to the issues concerning the Ashya King appeal," the commission spokeswoman said. "We have been working to determine how serious these initial issues are and what our next regulatory steps will be."

Hyman said these complaints came from disgruntled former staff. "There are no financial irregularities; our accounts are audited," he said.

www.thirdsector.co.uk/regulator-ask-charity-will-use-funds-raised-ashya-kings-medical-treatment/governance/article/1317671#disqus_thread
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on October 19, 2014, 06:42:58 PM
Ashya King’s dad hits back at charity after money is held back

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THE father of Ashya King has hit back at a charity, claiming it said it would pay for the family’s expenses as well as treatment for his son.


Brett King, who is in Prague caring for five-year-old Ashya while he undergoes proton beam therapy, said Kids n Cancer UK told him it would pay for travel and living expenses from donations.

But the charity has said the £50,000 raised for Ashya would go to other sick children because the NHS eventually agreed to pay for his treatment.

Mr King says that the money would have been put to good use.

Mr King, from Southsea, said: ‘We did ask the charity to pay for our legal expenses because it indicated it would cover our expenses as well as the treatment for Ashya.

‘But now he has received the treatment on the NHS, they aren’t paying for anything.

‘Although we received money from other charities and donations and have paid £17,000 in legal fees, we still have around £28,000 to pay to the Spanish solicitors.

‘When we asked Kids n Cancer to pay for the legal fees, it said we were greedy and declined. We asked what it could pay for and it didn’t reply.’

Kids n Cancer UK helps families with children in need of the proton beam therapy. It helps pay for living costs for families who have to go to America.

Its decision came to light after Ashya’s older brother Naveed took to social media.

Mr King added: ‘It pays for accommodation expenses for other families but it has given the money raised for us to other children.

‘Naveed felt the need to tell people that the money they donated for Ashya wouldn’t be going to him.’

But Kids n Cancer has said it helps families who have no money. Events manager Andrea Hooley said: ‘The Kings have a lot of money they have received from other charities and organisations. We help families who can’t pay for accommodation and have no money.’

Cancer Relief UK, which gave £30,000 to the King family through donations, said it wouldn’t be reclaiming any of it.

Steve Coupe, founder of Cancer Relief UK, said: ‘We have already given that money to Ashya King.

‘We have absolutely no intention of asking for it back, you can’t ask for money back and we wouldn’t anyway.’

www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/ashya-king-s-dad-hits-back-at-charity-after-money-is-held-back-1-6363207
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Eleanor on October 23, 2014, 07:12:23 PM

But for the inglorious National Health Service there would have been no Legal Costs.

But you could say the same for The Madeleine Fund.

The money was donated for the child and the family.  Just give it to them.  And let's not have any prissy arsed morals.
Title: Re: Too scared to return to the UK!
Post by: John on October 24, 2014, 12:09:59 PM
Ashya King has today completed his proton therapy treatment in Prague but his parents say they are too scared to return to the UK in case their son is taken from them.  Brett King speaking earlier to Sky News said that they will return to their home in Spain where Ashya's treatment will continue.  He added that they will not return to the UK until the investigation into the event which overtook them some weeks ago is completed.

Meanwhile elsewhere, the King's are attracting criticism for attacking the Kids 'n' Cancer charity for not handing over funds which were donated to Ashya.  The charity which is now the subject of a Regulator investigation, has stated that they have not given any money to the King's because the NHS has paid for Ashya's proton treatment therapy in Prague.  The charity founder Mike Hyman issued a statement on their Facebook page claiming that Brett King demanded they hand over the £50,000 donated in Ashya's name so that it could be used to pay legal fees.  He pointed out that funds donated to the charity could only be used to pay for medical treatment and accommodation/travel expenses and could not be used to pay legal fees.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: charliesnike on November 25, 2014, 09:10:21 AM
This case makes me cry. The feeling of injustice today for me is enormous. This poor poor family!
The policeman on Sky News -sorry it was BBC -  was stammering, while trying to find excuses.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Anna on December 19, 2014, 06:53:05 PM
A bit late, but just found it....................


Ashya King 'not receiving chemotherapy'
By David Fenton Health correspondent, BBC South Today
Ashya King, pictured with his mother Naghemeh King, did not receive chemotherapy in Prague
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The hospital in Prague which treated five-year-old Ashya King for a brain tumour, has confirmed he received no chemotherapy - a key part of his original treatment plan.
His father said he did not need it as the tumour was now "in remission".
But a leading UK cancer expert has said, without chemotherapy, children's chances of survival could be reduced.
Ashya is being cared for at a private hospital in Spain and is receiving physiotherapy and speech therapy.
He is said to be doing well, and even saying a few words.
Ashya's story received global attention in August when he was taken from Southampton General Hospital without medical consent, sparking an international hunt.
His parents Brett and Naghemeh, of Southsea, Hampshire, took him to Spain where they were arrested and held in a prison in Madrid.
They had wanted him to undergo proton beam therapy, which had not been recommended by doctors treating him.
The couple were later released and the NHS agreed to fund his treatment in September.
Speaking after Ashya finished a course of proton beam therapy at a special clinic in Prague, his father, Brett King, said he did not need a separate course of chemotherapy.
He said: "We came to a conclusion [with] the doctors that, really, he doesn't need it... They've done MRIs that don't show any visible signs that there's a tumour - it's in what they call remission."
'It responds well'
The Motol Hospital, where Ashya had been staying, confirmed no chemotherapy had been given.
But a leading cancer expert said, without chemotherapy, the survival rate for children with medulloblastoma - the type of tumour Ashya had - could be significantly reduced from 80% to about 50%.
Prof Roger Taylor, vice president of clinical oncology for the Royal College of Radiologists, said chemotherapy in conjunction with radiotherapy was the "standard course of treatment - without exception" for children with that type of brain tumour.
He said: "For the last 15 years or more we have been using chemotherapy routinely for all children. It's been known for several decades that medulloblastoma responds well to chemotherapy."
NHS England is expected to pay up to £80,000 for Ashya's treatment in Prague. It has so far not commented on the latest development.
Dr Cortes Funes, who is caring for Ashya in Spain, told the BBC the boy was doing well and the medical team was waiting to decide what treatment to give him next.
He said one option may be a course of immunotherapy, which uses antibodies and stem cells to boost the body's defence against cancer.

What is proton beam therapy?
It uses charged particles instead of X-rays to deliver radiotherapy for cancer patients
The treatment allows high-energy protons to be targeted directly at a tumour, reducing the dose to surrounding tissues and organs
In general, it gives fewer side effects compared with high-energy X-ray treatments
It can be used to treat spinal cord tumours, sarcomas near the spine or brain, prostate cancer, lung cancer, liver cancer and some children's cancers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-29944626

Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on December 19, 2014, 07:30:34 PM
Ashya (right) having fun in the pool with his brothers a few days back at Marbella International Hospital.

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Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Anna on December 19, 2014, 07:33:41 PM
That is really lovely to see. Thanks John.
 What a wonderful xmas present the family managed to receive after all
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Anna on December 19, 2014, 07:36:53 PM
What's wrong with this country?


Ashya King’s father ‘treated like criminal’ on return to UK
Brett King, who took his five-year-old son abroad for brain tumour treatment, says he was harassed by police at Gatwick
Josh Halliday
The Guardian, Monday 1 December 2014 15.49 GMT
The father of five-year-old brain tumour patient Ashya King has claimed he was harassed by police and “treated like a criminal” when he tried to return to the UK.
A YouTube video published on Monday shows Brett King and his son Naveed being stopped by a police officer as they attempt to walk through UK border control at Gatwick airport in west Sussex last Saturday.



King said his and Naveed’s passports were taken away and police were called when they tried to re-enter the UK.
He is then shown in the video telling a police officer: “How would you feel coming back to your own country to be treated like a criminal? What have I done except help my son? Show me the computer and I’ll come with you. I’m walking now, you can arrest me if you like.”
It is the first time King has attempted to return to the UK since August when Ashya was taken from hospital in Southampton without consent.
The five-year-old, who required brain tumour treatment, was taken to Spain by his parents where they were arrested. They were later released and allowed to take Ashya to Prague for proton beam treatment, which he completed last month.
In the three-minute video, published on Naveed’s account, King is shown in the UK border control area of Gatwick airport.
Addressing the camera, he says: “I’m here at Gatwick airport, I handed my passport in, the man looked at his computer, asked me to come to this holding booth and took my passport away as well as my son Naveed’s passport away.
“Now behind me is the police making phone calls and that sort of thing when I was told that there would be no problem if I come back to England, but already my first attempt to come back to England or a time when I’d like to come back to England, there’s been problems. We’ll see what will happen in a few minutes.”
He then gets up and asks a police officer to see what is on a computer screen, presumably that of the UK border agency official, before being told to calm down.
King told the police officer: “I’m not going to follow you. You’ll have to arrest me. I don’t like being treated like a criminal in front of the public.”
“I’m not gonna arrest you,” says the police officer, before King is filmed walking through border control unapprehended. Two police officers appear to follow King up the escalators into the arrivals lounge, where they instruct the person with the camera – thought to be Naveed – to stop filming.
In a comment posted later underneath the video, Naveed said: “[The police officer] wanted to take Brett in for questioning. After we found out he wasn’t under arrest that’s when we got up and walked, and that’s when we also wanted to see WHY he was stopped and to see what information they have on Brett in their computer system.”
A Sussex police spokesman told the Guardian: “Two uniformed constables who were on routine patrol in the airside area were called by UK Border Force to advise on an issue relating to a passport held by an arriving passenger in Immigration Arrivals on Saturday 29 November.
“When the officers arrived they quickly confirmed to Borders staff that police had no interest in the matter. One of the officers spoke briefly to him and he walked through to landside.
“The officers made it clear to the man that they did not intend to arrest him. We have received no complaint about the actions of the police.”

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/01/ashya-king-father-brett-treated-like-criminal-return-uk
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: John on December 19, 2014, 07:45:04 PM
Just came across this update Anna, posted by big bro Naveed on his video channel.


Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Anna on December 19, 2014, 07:52:34 PM
Just came across this update Anna, posted by big bro Naveed on his video channel.



It looks like he is improving, but it will take a long time. I think the family would say " Its worth the wait"
They are a very close and loving family....I wish them all the very best in getting more help for their son.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Anna on December 25, 2014, 06:28:20 PM
Ashya (right) having fun in the pool with his brothers a few days back at Marbella International Hospital.

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I hope this family are having the wonderful Christmas,that they deserve, after the battle to obtain treatment for Ashya, the worry, financial problems and the stress that, they suffered earlier this year.
I am sure they will be so happy, to be a complete family again.
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: Anna on September 20, 2015, 01:52:10 PM

Cancer patient Ashya King, six, whose parents were arrested for taking him abroad for pioneering treatment is back in the UK after being given the all clear

Ashya King, six, taken to Spain by parents last year for cancer treatment
Case sparked controversy after parents were arrested, then released
Ashya was given all clear in March after Proton Beam Therapy procedure
Brett and Naghmeh King delayed returning in case Ashya was taken away, but returned to Gatwick Airport yesterday
By Sara Smyth for the Daily Mail
Published: 03:17, 3 July 2015 | Updated: 13:05, 7 July 2015
Ashya King, the six-year-old cancer sufferer whose disappearance from a Southampton hospital last year sparked an international manhunt, has been brought back to live in the UK.
After being declared cancer-free in March, Ashya flew into Gatwick Airport with his family yesterday.
He said: ‘We are coming home to live and I am excited to be back. I want to see my grandma.’
Ashya King, the six-year-old cancer victim whose parents were hunted by social services last year after taking him to Spain for specialist treatment (pictured), has returned to the UK


 
After several rounds of pioneering treatment proton beam therapy, Ashya was declared cancer free back in March and arrived back into Gatwick airport yesterday (file image)
His parents, Brett and Naghmeh King, 52 and 46, have returned after receiving assurances they face no legal action for taking him to Spain without his doctor’s consent.
They had previously been too scared to return home in case social services took Ashya from them.
Mr King, 52, told the Sun: ‘Ashya is so glad to be back. The whole family’s relieved to be back where we belong — this is our home.
‘Now we just want to carry on with life and continue to do what is best for Ashya.’
Their return comes 11 months after they took their son from his bed at Southampton General Hospital and travelled to Malaga in search of alternative treatment, without telling his doctors.
A frenzied hunt for the Kings was launched last August after the little boy was reported as missing.
The search became all the more desperate after medical experts told police the battery in Ashya’s tube feeding unit was due to run down and his life was ‘in grave danger’.
Ashya’s family later said they in fact had a power cord for his feeding system in the car and spare food for his tube to sustain him.
Mr King, a Portsmouth property developer, said he was forced to flee the country with his family because of fears over his son’s treatment.

Ashya King's mother says she is happy his treatment is finished
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3148042/Cancer-patient-Ashya-King-six-parents-arrested-taking-abroad-pioneering-treatment-UK-given-clear.html
Title: Re: Five-year-old ill child taken from hospital by parents.
Post by: mercury on September 20, 2015, 07:49:54 PM
Thankks Anna,fantastic news isn't it and a bit embarrassing for all the Brit authorities going after parents who only wanted to save their childs life and did what they believed would do so and they were proven right
The mind shudders to think if social services got their hands on this kid...the parents proves to be the best authority here

Well done to them
 8@??)(

The rest can hang their heads in shame