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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Wonderfulspam on September 01, 2014, 10:50:44 PM
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Madeleine: Secret Report On Police Probe
So many UK agencies got involved in the hunt for the missing girl it damaged relations with Portuguese police, Sky News learns.
By Martin Brunt, Crime Correspondent
The competition between British police forces to be seen to be helping in the search for Madeleine McCann hampered the investigation into her disappearance and has had negative effects ever since, according to the author of a secret Home Office report.
The unpublished report - commissioned by former Home Secretary Alan Johnson in 2009 - concluded that so many UK agencies got involved it damaged relations with Portuguese police, Sky News has learnt.
(http://i.imgur.com/w89gPST.jpg?1)
Jim Gamble, the former head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) who wrote the report, said the intervention of competing police chiefs has had a long-term negative effect on the investigation.
Sky News has been briefed on the contents of the hitherto unseen document - delivered in 2010 - which eventually led to the Metropolitan Police re-opening the investigation.
It concluded that:
:: The intervention of multiple UK police forces and agencies created "frustration" and "resentment" among Portuguese police.
:: The decision by the Association of Chief Police Officers to put Leicestershire Police in charge of the operation was a mistake because the force was ill-equipped to deal with such a big investigation.
:: Challenges to the Portuguese police's approach to the investigation led to warnings that Britain should not try to act as a "colonial power".
Speaking to Sky News, Mr Gamble said that within the first few weeks of Madeleine going missing in Praia da Luz in May 2007 the Portuguese were given advice by CEOP, the Metropolitan Police, the Serious Organised Crime Agency and the National Police Improvement Agency.
He said: "All of us… your first gut reaction is you want to help…so everyone came with best intention, that created a sense of chaos and a sense of competition…and in many instances in my opinion wanting to be seen to help.
"It was unhelpful…I've no doubt relationships from the outset with the Portuguese were impacted by it and I think that had a long-term negative effect on the investigation."
Mr Gamble - who refuses to release the detail of his findings - said the initial Portuguese police response to Madeleine's disappearance was "haphazard" and that potentially crucial information had not been followed up.
One of Mr Gamble's recommendations was the establishment of a national centre for missing children. However, this has not been set up.
As a result, Mr Gamble does not believe that the response of British authorities to a similar situation would be any better.
Author Anthony Summers, whose book Looking For Madeleine is out next week and contains further revelations about the case, said: "It was a case of too many cooks… spoiling the broth of the initial investigation."
Co-author Robbyn Swan added: "The problems that grew out of the race to help …those things have not been fundamentally addressed."
The Home Office - which declined to release the report under Freedom of Information laws - declined to comment.
http://news.sky.com/story/1328374/madeleine-secret-report-on-police-probe
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11068928/Secret-Madeleine-McCann-report-finds-competing-British-forces-hampered-inquiry.html
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/01/british-police-competition-harmed-madeleine-mccann-investigation-home-office-report
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeline-mccann-investigation-was-held-back-by-competing-crime-agencies-9704909.html
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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article4193807.ece
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Oh dear Big Jim seems to have splashed it up over the walls. How will that be handled I wonder?
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Some people wonder why the PJ refused a joint investigation......
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Some people wonder why the PJ refused a joint investigation......
To be fair WS only the seriously deluded wonder.
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So that's the official apology out of the way before the real accusations of shoddy Portuguese police work hit the fan.
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So that's the official apology out of the way before the real accusations of shoddy Portuguese police work hit the fan.
They are gonna catch that paedo that the Smith family never actually saw innit.
I thought I was mad, but you are sumink else ain't ya!
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So the truth comes out inadvertently.
Hello, hello, hello.
The real face of the UK police is revealed in this case.
How dare the mccann supporters say the PJ were shoddy. 8**8:/:
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Jim Gamble is highly critical of the Portuguese police...
Discussing the investigation Mr Gamble said that the initial Portuguese police response to Madeleine’s disappearance was "haphazard".
“There was chaos, and as it went on it was haphazard which was alien to the more structured police you would expect here in the UK. There was not a sense of order.
“In the first instance the parents should be your Number One suspects. In most cases in the first few golden hours as you collect evidence you can then rule them in or out.
“And that was one of the huge flaws in this, that people didn't focus on clearing the ground beneath their feet in those chaotic first few hours that led into the haphazard first few weeks.
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Jim Gamble is highly critical of the Portuguese police...
Discussing the investigation Mr Gamble said that the initial Portuguese police response to Madeleine’s disappearance was "haphazard".
“There was chaos, and as it went on it was haphazard which was alien to the more structured police you would expect here in the UK. There was not a sense of order.
“In the first instance the parents should be your Number One suspects. In most cases in the first few golden hours as you collect evidence you can then rule them in or out.
“And that was one of the huge flaws in this, that people didn't focus on clearing the ground beneath their feet in those chaotic first few hours that led into the haphazard first few weeks.
Was Jim Gamble there at the time the events happened ?
'A police chief who heads the leading child protection agency provoked a fierce row yesterday after suggesting that paedophiles convicted of viewing child pornography should not necessarily go to prison.
Jim Gamble, the chief executive of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP), believes some sex offenders should be encouraged to seek treatment rather than serve jail terms.'
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Jim Gamble BBC 3 counties radio 15th May 2014
"I mean, this is about searching for a child who may well have been abducted....
"but the fact that a child was, you know, has... was... did go missing... is still missing, and that those parents are tortured..."
"These are the parents of a child who is suspected to have been abducted".
Funny how Jim doesn't just say she was abducted, innit.
It's because he knows he's been sold London Bridge.
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The Home Office - which declined to release the report under Freedom of Information laws - declined to comment.
So the first question must be, why? What are they hiding?
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Jim Gamble is highly critical of the Portuguese police...
Discussing the investigation Mr Gamble said that the initial Portuguese police response to Madeleine’s disappearance was "haphazard".
“There was chaos, and as it went on it was haphazard which was alien to the more structured police you would expect here in the UK. There was not a sense of order.
“In the first instance the parents should be your Number One suspects. In most cases in the first few golden hours as you collect evidence you can then rule them in or out.
“And that was one of the huge flaws in this, that people didn't focus on clearing the ground beneath their feet in those chaotic first few hours that led into the haphazard first few weeks.
The mccs themselves ....did they not ...let everyone trample round the apartment ...knowing as k mcc said maddie had been abducted......were G.A....is concerned the mccs was ..and still are number one suspects....
Funny ... in fact really strange .. that no mention from gamble these other agencies which, according to G.A. were all involved - and were hampering his enquiry from the early days:
MI5.....Special Branch....Controll risk groups
CEOP's only role appeared to be demanding holidaymakers send their Praia da Luz holiday pics direct to him - apparently without the permission of the Portuguese Police
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So the first question must be, why? What are they hiding?
The British agencies were not sticking their noses in immediately.
They were not there on the 3rd of May or the following days and hours which are the most crucial in missing child cases.
I think there is a grave underestimating by some of the extent to which Madeleine’s case was harmed in the initial phase of the investigation after it was discovered she was missing.
I would imagine this would be gone into in some detail in Jim Gamble’s report.
He is cognisant that adverse publicity at this sensitive time in the ongoing investigation into what happened to Madeleine could well throw a spanner into the works.
The present Met team and the present PJ team seem to have worked hard at establishing a good working relationship which no-one wishes to jeopardise.
I would not be surprised if this is why Jim Gamble is so reticent about his report and why the Home Office refuse to comment.
"It was unhelpful. I've no doubt that relationships from the outset with the Portuguese were [affected] by it and I think that had a long-term negative effect on the investigation. To this very day the Met investigation team is still having to manage and massage that relationship and – perhaps to be fair to the Portuguese – mend some fences that were trodden on in the early days," he said.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/former-northern-ireland-police-officer-reveals-madeleine-mccann-hunt-flaws-30553413.html
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Was Jim Gamble there at the time the events happened ?
'A police chief who heads the leading child protection agency provoked a fierce row yesterday after suggesting that paedophiles convicted of viewing child pornography should not necessarily go to prison.
Jim Gamble, the chief executive of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP), believes some sex offenders should be encouraged to seek treatment rather than serve jail terms.'
He may have a point in that.
I would use a term rather stronger than "encouraged", but I am not sure that term in prison, probably on a special wing cooped up with harder core offenders will do much either to change behaviour or prevent reoffending.
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Jim Gamble BBC 3 counties radio 15th May 2014
"I mean, this is about searching for a child who may well have been abducted....
"but the fact that a child was, you know, has... was... did go missing... is still missing, and that those parents are tortured..."
"These are the parents of a child who is suspected to have been abducted".
Funny how Jim doesn't just say she was abducted, innit.
It's because he knows he's been sold London Bridge.
LP caused damage by not being impartial. Amaral put a man close to Bob Small and no wonder - they should be investigated about the Gaspar statements fiasco and keeping them secret from the initial investigation. What else have they been hiding from other witness statements they received in the early days. It's a question that needs to be addressed.
"In the coming weeks we would meet DCS Bob Small, who we found straight-talking and honest. A lot of hard work went on at home as well, where DS Stuart Prior, the senior investigating officer, was kind enough to show our relatives round the incident room – and Gerry, too, later on."
"It did emerge, however, that Bob had concerns of his own. He explained that the British police regarded the use of sniffer dogs as intelligence rather than evidence, and he was perplexed at the apparent fixation of the PJ on the idea that Madeleine had died in the apartment."
"We’d waited almost four weeks for these interviews and it was obvious they had been hastily arranged once Bob Small notified the PJ that we would be leaving the country."
"Gerry rang DCS Bob Small, who was astounded by this latest development. He promised to make some phone calls. Bob was finally able to get hold of Luís Neves, who was reportedly out of the country."
" Meanwhile, Bob Small paid us a call. We were pleased to see him: he is one of the good guys. While he always remained completely professional, we knew that he cared about us, about Madeleine and about justice."
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He may have a point in that.
I would use a term rather stronger than "encouraged", but I am not sure that term in prison, probably on a special wing cooped up with harder core offenders will do much either to change behaviour or prevent reoffending.
Where do you draw the line Jean-Pierre ?
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Ever since Operation Grange has overseen the Maddie investigation... most of the details about random suspects and so called sightings have always been made public.
On the other hand, anything negative about the parents of the missing child has completely been disregarded...
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Anytime SY officials have been able to name a person or interest or potential suspect in this case.... their names have gone public immediately --
and as previously reported... some of those suspects have long been deceased... and are unable to defend themselves.
Now suddenly this letter sent from SY to Portugal is confidential ...even though it's concerning potential suspects in the search for the missing child. Why the sudden secrecy... could the potential suspects be people with money or stature
Could the potential suspects be people that investigators don't want to alarm for some reason
who leaked it to sky news...
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LP caused damage by not being impartial. Amaral put a man close to Bob Small and no wonder - they should be investigated about the Gaspar statements fiasco and keeping them secret from the initial investigation. What else have they been hiding from other witness statements they received in the early days. It's a question that needs to be addressed.
"In the coming weeks we would meet DCS Bob Small, who we found straight-talking and honest. A lot of hard work went on at home as well, where DS Stuart Prior, the senior investigating officer, was kind enough to show our relatives round the incident room – and Gerry, too, later on."
"It did emerge, however, that Bob had concerns of his own. He explained that the British police regarded the use of sniffer dogs as intelligence rather than evidence, and he was perplexed at the apparent fixation of the PJ on the idea that Madeleine had died in the apartment."
"We’d waited almost four weeks for these interviews and it was obvious they had been hastily arranged once Bob Small notified the PJ that we would be leaving the country."
"Gerry rang DCS Bob Small, who was astounded by this latest development. He promised to make some phone calls. Bob was finally able to get hold of Luís Neves, who was reportedly out of the country."
" Meanwhile, Bob Small paid us a call. We were pleased to see him: he is one of the good guys. While he always remained completely professional, we knew that he cared about us, about Madeleine and about justice."
Why do you say they should be investigated about the Gaspar statement? They obviously thought it was unimportant.
Do you honestly think if DP was a paedophile he would talk openly to Gerry about such activities with Mrs. Gaspar sat between them?
Mr. Gaspar said he thought nothing of it.
It also seems strange to me, that she says DP said something on the lines of 'would she do this' she says she thinks he meant Madeleine. So he says would SHE do this, asking Gerry if Madeleine did whatever he was talking about, in other words, meaning did Madeleine do whatever with Gerry???? yet she only condemned DP. That I find very odd.
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As far as I am aware Dr Amaral never mentioned the confusion or the frustration which the various British organisations are claimed to have caused. One would have thought that if things were as bad as Jim Gamble suggests that Amaral would have had a field day in apportioning blame elsewhere.
Could it be that this is merely a British perception by the author of a report who as head of CEOP was himself competing with other organisations?
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Where do you draw the line Jean-Pierre ?
Thankfully it is not my problem, because the punishment / deterrent regime is a very difficult issue.
Prison clearly does not work for many, as the level of reoffending shows. As a general principle, if there is an alternative to locking people up in institutions with other, ofter more extreme offenders then that should be taken.
What often happens is that a first time or relatively low level offender is committed to prison, and whilst there is influenced by fellow inmates, coming out worse than they went in.
I am not arguing for a soft touch or lenient regime of rehabilitation - just a more workable alternative to the easy "lock em up" reflex.
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Jim Gamble’s report was incremental in the reopening of Madeleine McCann’s case; the only reference I can see to anything about it at the time is in the now defunct News of the World; however it can still be read on one or two blogs who copied it at the time and I can see why the Home Office haven’t released it.
I have snipped one or two comments which are self explanatory.
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“He told ministers there were huge holes in the original inquiry that need to be revisited if they want to ‘come close’ to reaching UK standards. It will come as a bitter pill for Portuguese investigators who have fended off criticism since Maddie disappeared in 2007.
“Failures in the original investigation are said to be ‘so gaping’ that British authorities feel it is their duty to look at it again. This time police will review all the leads using technology and standards expected in a homicide or kidnap case in the UK.
“Mr Gamble, head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, found a basic failure to collate information and join up links that should have been made.
“Telephone records were not properly analysed, missing early opportunities for leads.
“And Kate and Gerry McCann were named as ‘arguidos’, or formal suspects, by Portuguese police – something that the review says would not have happened if the probe had been carried out in the UK.
Mr Gamble found no evidence sufficient to make them suspects. His findings have now been formally submitted to the Home Office with recommendations to re-investigate.
The source added: “It will be extremely costly and sadly is unlikely to result in a positive outcome. As much as we would all like this to end with good news for the McCanns, the fact is there have been a lot of missed opportunities and no-one will ever be able to reclaim the time and evidence lost”.
Two thousand pages of evidence released earlier claimed Portuguese detectives failed to follow up leads. Home Secretary Alan Johnson ordered officials to examine the ‘feasibility’ of British detectives having a fresh look at all the evidence back in March.
http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/hoax-this-rubbish-from-gamble-as-voting.html
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As far as I am aware Dr Amaral never mentioned the confusion or the frustration which the various British organisations are claimed to have caused. One would have thought that if things were as bad as Jim Gamble suggests that Amaral would have had a field day in apportioning blame elsewhere.
Could it be that this is merely a British perception by the author of a report who as head of CEOP was himself competing with other organisations?
Well dear Forum Owner sire, Big Jim certainly had a severe mardy in 2010 when CEOP became part of the National Crime Agency; so severe he took his ball home. As to why the Home Office will not release the report, it is maybe not in the national interest that we proles are allowed to see how those who purportedly act on our behalf stand on their dignity and squabble like kids in a play ground about who sits next to teacher.
"It is amazing what can be accomplished if you do not care who gets the credit"
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I think you might well be right, there.
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Well after the recent revelations, perhaps the UK forces and Gamble should compete in a show called........
'It's a Co#k -Up'
%£&)**# %£&)**# %£&)**#
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Well dear Forum Owner sire, Big Jim certainly had a severe mardy in 2010 when CEOP became part of the National Crime Agency; so severe he took his ball home. As to why the Home Office will not release the report, it is maybe not in the national interest that we proles are allowed to see how those who purportedly act on our behalf stand on their dignity and squabble like kids in a play ground about who sits next to teacher.
"It is amazing what can be accomplished if you do not care who gets the credit"
Very observant of you Alice. ...and no need to call me sire. 8(0(*
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As far as I am aware Dr Amaral never mentioned the confusion or the frustration which the various British organisations are claimed to have caused. One would have thought that if things were as bad as Jim Gamble suggests that Amaral would have had a field day in apportioning blame elsewhere.
Could it be that this is merely a British perception by the author of a report who as head of CEOP was himself competing with other organisations?
The one guy who would have been great at co-ordinating the multitude of English police agencies was Glen Power, He was the first UK police officer to arrive. But then, to Mr Amaral's great disappointment, Mr Power was almost immediately pulled off the case.
Source: Truth Of The Lie chapter 6 "The Arrival Of The English Police"
"After Madeleine's disappearance, the first English police officer whom we welcome to the Portimão Department of Criminal Investigation, on May 5th, is Glen Power, liaison officer to Portugal. The brief of this police official attached to his country's embassy is to facilitate communication between police forces. This is one of a number of pivots on which international police collaboration relies.
I have known Glen Power for a long time. Martin Cox, who had held the job in Portugal for some years, came to the Algarve with Glen when the latter replaced him. I had worked with Glen on several cases of violent crime or linked to organised crime; I was aware of his skills, his great capacity for work, his kindness and his modesty. Our relationship went beyond that of a simple professional connection. I was a bit worried when he told me that he wouldn't be around a few days later. He had a lot to do. He wanted to reassure me by telling me that the language of investigation was universal and that his colleagues would have no difficulty in integrating into the ongoing
investigation."
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As far as I am aware Dr Amaral never mentioned the confusion or the frustration which the various British organisations are claimed to have caused. One would have thought that if things were as bad as Jim Gamble suggests that Amaral would have had a field day in apportioning blame elsewhere.
Could it be that this is merely a British perception by the author of a report who as head of CEOP was himself competing with other organisations?
More from Chapter 6 of Truth Of The Lie describing the plethora of English police and other agaencies who arrived:
"Two days later, English colleagues begin to arrive. The main idea was for the English police to place at our disposal two specialists in family supervision and support to be the link between the Portuguese investigators and the McCanns. The National Directorate of the PJ had authorised the arrival of these police officers in the context of international collaboration. Bob Small, an officer from the Leicestershire police, and one of his colleagues meet us to take stock of the situation and evaluate the needs of the investigation before making contact with the couple. ...
... Then the two police officers arrive who are assigned to psychological support and communication with the family. Little by little, the number of English police officers grows exponentially. We place at their disposal a room next to our crisis unit, Task Portugal. These are specialists from various police services, including Scotland Yard. Special surveillance teams as well as information and telecommunications technicians turn up with their laptops and various high-tech equipment. Others will come to join us, notably profilers: they will develop a profile of the alleged abductor from which a number of possible scenarios will be constructed. The analysts trace timelines and patterns of connections based on the witness statements gathered. They produce giant summary boards that cover the walls of the offices. They attend all our meetings and collaborate in decision-making. They are the intermediary through which requests for information are sent to Great Britain, and it is they who receive the responses and enquiries."
It's difficult to count just how many English police and similar agencies turned up - the above quote from Mr Amaral's book mentions only some of them - there were actually even more than that.
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Anyone considered that maybe with PT being, it seems, so petulant, it has been decided to soften the criticism of the PT police by taking a portion of the blame on our own shoulders?
Maybe it is deemed a good move for the UK to share the blame a little and so hopefully encourage the PT authorities to get things moving a bit?
Only thoughts, but might it be the case?
Dunno
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Anyone considered that maybe with PT being, it seems, so petulant, it has been decided to soften the criticism of the PT police by taking a portion of the blame on our own shoulders?
Maybe it is deemed a good move for the UK to share the blame a little and so hopefully encourage the PT authorities to get things moving a bit?
Only thoughts, but might it be the case?
Dunno
No.
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Anyone considered that maybe with PT being, it seems, so petulant, it has been decided to soften the criticism of the PT police by taking a portion of the blame on our own shoulders?
Maybe it is deemed a good move for the UK to share the blame a little and so hopefully encourage the PT authorities to get things moving a bit?
Only thoughts, but might it be the case?
Dunno
You are probably absolutely right
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You are probably absolutely right
PT being petulant ???
It's Gamble who has inadvertently revealed who has been petulant in this case, other than the mccanns , of course.
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PT being petulant ???
It's Gamble who has inadvertently revealed who has been petulant in this case, other than the mccanns , of course.
You who are so good at reading between the lines when it suits ... read between the lines on this one.
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Anyone considered that maybe with PT being, it seems, so petulant, it has been decided to soften the criticism of the PT police by taking a portion of the blame on our own shoulders?
Maybe it is deemed a good move for the UK to share the blame a little and so hopefully encourage the PT authorities to get things moving a bit?
Only thoughts, but might it be the case?
Dunno
Yes, I think that's highly likely Sadie. Let's hope it has the desired effect.
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It is becoming a distinct habit. %£&)**#
The death of the abduction theory, plain for all to see, here on the Uk Justice forum.
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The death of the abduction theory, plain for all to see, here on the Uk Justice forum.
Seeing as SY are going to spend a few more million on it you are wrong
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Seeing as SY are going to spend a few more million on it you are wrong
They believe the fairy tale, don't they dave.
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Seeing as SY are going to spend a few more million on it you are wrong
Really? You mean they are still throwing good money after bad at it?
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So, are we all agreed,(reading between the lines) that Jimbo CEOP felt that the UK services on loan to the PORTUGUESE-to help and assist- actually did the opposite? WOW.. no wonder Kate n Gerry got a PR man and a couple of lawyers sooner than anything else! God knows what accusations would have been made against them. The UK police did suspect them-the parents though...
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So, are we all agreed,(reading between the lines) that Jimbo CEOP felt that the UK services on loan to the PORTUGUESE-to help and assist- actually did the opposite? WOW.. no wonder Kate n Gerry got a PR man and a couple of lawyers sooner than anything else! God knows what accusations would have been made against them. The UK police did suspect them-the parents though...
Oh, but they've been completely ruled out now, haven't they.
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Really? You mean they are still throwing good money after bad at it?
Well hardly, they have 'suspects' hahahahahahaha oh and at least they are being seen as 'doing something'
I am awaiting a leaked report which tell us about EVERY SINGLE sighting being carefully acted upon.
Oh oops suspect is dead...at least we tried for that poor couple... sorry millionaire couple!
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Well hardly, they have 'suspects' hahahahahahaha oh and at least they are being seen as 'doing something'
I am awaiting a leaked report which tell us about EVERY SINGLE sighting being carefully acted upon.
Oh oops suspect is dead...at least we tried for that poor couple... sorry millionaire couple!
I think you are getting MissTaken.
Surely it is the Porto PJ who think that their suspect is dead ... and NOT SY?
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Blacksmith's take on things.
http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk
Hasn't he got Gamble to a T !!!
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He was saying the mccanns would settle on amarals terms 18 months ago..he's never got anything right
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Jim Gamble merely exposed the stupidity and arrogance of several police forces in the UK, who thought they were better than the rest.
As to Blacksmith, tough on that one.
If he didn't hit the mark on so many occasions , then people like you wouldn't attack him. Simples.
For that matter, how do you know whether or not he posts on here, with a different name ?
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Jim Gamble believes that Maddie was, has, y'know, err, did go missing...
Jim Gamble BBC 3 counties radio 15th May 2014
"I mean, this is about searching for a child who may well have been abducted....
"but the fact that a child was, you know, has... was... did go missing... is still missing, and that those parents are tortured..."
"These are the parents of a child who is suspected to have been abducted".
Funny how Jim doesn't just say that she was abducted, innit Ben.
It's cos it's obvious she weren't.
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I see Scotland Yard has been put up for sale.
8((()*/
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Does this 'secret report' validate Dr Amaral’s claim that he couldn’t solve Madeleine’s case because all the Brits had ‘ganged up’ on him from MI5 to the NHS?
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Does this 'secret report' validate Dr Amaral’s claim that he couldn’t solve Madeleine’s case because all the Brits had ‘ganged up’ on him from MI5 to the NHS?
LP not providing Amaral with all the information didn't help this case. The Gaspar statements and background reports on them. Completely unacceptable and it looks like LP were helping their buddies. What a disgrace!
Reflecting on his dismissal, he lambasts the British police, who had failed to deliver background reports on the McCanns and their friends 'though we knew they had them'.
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LP not providing Amaral with all the information didn't help this case. The Gaspar statements and background reports on them. Completely unacceptable and it looks like LP were helping their buddies. What a disgrace!
Reflecting on his dismissal, he lambasts the British police, who had failed to deliver background reports on the McCanns and their friends 'though we knew they had them'.
It's obvious she wasn't abducted & SY know it.
And that's why the McCanns & their fantasist supporters will always be searching for the invisible man.
Maybe the McCanns will prove me wrong & take copies of the Smiths E-fits with them to the libel trial, holding them up outside the court & pleading for information.
As if!
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Was Dr Amaral really a ‘victim of International Politics’ as he believed?
Did this include the Portuguese government as he claimed?
His book reveals how upset he was with the Policia Judiciária, and outlines his feeling of “betrayal” by an organisation to which he had given 26 years service.
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Was Dr Amaral really a ‘victim of International Politics’ as he believed?
Did this include the Portuguese government as he claimed?
His book reveals how upset he was with the Policia Judiciária, and outlines his feeling of “betrayal” by an organisation to which he had given 26 years service.
This is well trodden ground.
He was removed from the initial investigation after he complained of interference by the UK Police.
As to political interference in the case, ask Brown and Blair.
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This is well trodden ground.
He was removed from the initial investigation after he complained of interference by the UK Police.
As to political interference in the case, ask Brown and Blair.
I don't think that pair would be capable of giving a truthful answer, even if their lives depended upon it.
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I don't think that pair would be capable of giving a truthful answer, even if their lives depended upon it.
I totally agree.
A right pair of scu#bags.
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This is well trodden ground.
He was removed from the initial investigation after he complained of interference by the UK Police.
As to political interference in the case, ask Brown and Blair.
Hmmm … so Jim Gamble’s report highlighting the “massive failures”, and the “huge holes in the original inquiry”, in other words, incompetence – didn’t come into it?
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Hmmm … so Jim Gamble’s report highlighting the “massive failures”, and the “huge holes in the original inquiry”, in other words, incompetence – didn’t come into it?
Not in the least. Whatever gave you that idea?
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Not in the least. Whatever gave you that idea?
Good joke jassi @)(++(*
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Hmmm … so Jim Gamble’s report highlighting the “massive failures”, and the “huge holes in the original inquiry”, in other words, incompetence – didn’t come into it?
Where was Gamble when the police were looking for Madeleine ?
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Where was Gamble when the police were looking for Madeleine ?
The irony is ... CEOP themselves were one of the plethora of UK bodies involved:
In May 2007 people were encouraged to upload their PDL holiday snaps to CEOP
"...Mr Gamble said... pictures should be uploaded to madeleine.ceopupload.com."
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/22/ukcrime.sandralaville
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The irony is ... CEOP themselves were one of the plethora of UK bodies involved:
In May 2007 people were encouraged to upload their PDL holiday snaps to CEOP
"...Mr Gamble said... pictures should be uploaded to madeleine.ceopupload.com."
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/22/ukcrime.sandralaville
I just read that article and it was quite upsetting to think that someone would abduct a child to post the photographs of a child on a pervert site.......................Awful, evil and very scary to think such things are going on.8()(((@# 8)><(
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I just read that article and it was quite upsetting to think that someone would abduct a child to post the photographs of a child on a pervert site.......................Awful, evil and very scary to think such things are going on.8()(((@# 8)><(
Also imo CEOP were going to pick out strangers in the backgrounds of peoples holiday photos. Presumably to collect dozens of stranger's faces, to send to who? - to which one of the many other UK agencies involved?
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Also imo CEOP were going to pick out strangers in the backgrounds of peoples holiday photos. Presumably to collect dozens of stranger's faces, to send to who? - to which one of the many other UK agencies involved?
To find anyone on a paedophile database, I assume. A strange way to go about it : Find a sex offender and then a crime : and no privacy laws to safeguard the innocent. Sounds like they only wanted to find these sex offenders or part of a ring so as they might link them with Maddie.
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To find anyone on a paedophile database, I assume. A strange way to go about it : Find a sex offender and then a crime : and no privacy laws to safeguard the innocent. Sounds like they only wanted to find these sex offenders or part of a ring so as they might link them with Maddie.
No such link has been established.
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I think Gamble doesn't really mean what he is saying...just saying it to appease the portugues..he can't really tell the truth and say the pj were rubbish
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I think Gamble doesn't really mean what he is saying...just saying it to appease the portugues..he can't really tell the truth and say the pj were rubbish
Blah,blah,blah.
The PJ weren't rubbish.
However, we do know who is. 8)-)))
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Blah,blah,blah.
The PJ weren't rubbish.
However, we do know who is. 8)-)))
The institution in 2007 as a whole? no idea.
The particular investigation into the disappearance of Madaeleine McCann in 2007? ... absolutely inept.
I have not read a summation of that particular case from any policing authority or retired personnel - including Portuguese - which considers that investigation to have been competently conducted.
Maybe you have a cite for an independent professional opinion saying otherwise?