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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: John on September 21, 2014, 11:29:02 PM
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There has been a spate of confessions in recent times by individuals who have been at the forefront of miscarriage of justice campaigns. Two such individuals which we have been involved with here are Adrian Prout who confessed to strangling his wife Kate during an argument over a divorce settlement and more recently Simon Hall who confessed to stabbing his neighbour and pensioner Joan Albert to death in what was a failed burglary.
Has time run out for Bamber, will he be the next one to come clean?
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No, I don't think so. I believe Hall confessed because he believed he could come across as being rehabilitated and one day released back into society. Bamber doesn't have that luxury due to the whole life tariff, he will always maintain his innocence.
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I'm still in the ever decreasing numbers that maintain JB is a MoJ, so on this basis no he will not confess.
If I consider he might be guilty as charged then I still don't think he will confess. He has no family that will stick by him come what may, so a confession will see most, if not all, of his friends/supporters run for the door. He will undoubtedly be given a tough time inside by prison staff and inmates over all the lies and BS. Working on his 'campaign' gives him something to do and keeps up the notoriety of the case. Psychologically he has coped for near on 30 years so no evidence that he needs to unburden/offload. If he is guilty then IMO the crime was such that life should mean life and as Actual Mat said no chance of parole so I don't see any advantages/incentives for a confession.
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I'm still in the ever decreasing numbers that maintain JB is a MoJ, so on this basis no he will not confess.
If I consider he might be guilty as charged then I still don't think he will confess. He has no family that will stick by him come what may, so a confession will see most, if not all, of his friends/supporters run for the door. He will undoubtedly be given a tough time inside by prison staff and inmates over all the lies and BS. Working on his 'campaign' gives him something to do and keeps up the notoriety of the case. Psychologically he has coped for near on 30 years so no evidence that he needs to unburden/offload. If he is guilty then IMO the crime was such that life should mean life and as Actual Mat said no chance of parole so I don't see any advantages/incentives for a confession.
Do you believe he is institutionalised Holly because that tends to occur by the tenth year.
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I have been following events in Mr Bamber's case from the beginning and have looked at the various appeals in some detail. I do not see a time when he could confess because frankly it would make little or no difference to his situation at this stage. Mr Bamber is still perceived as a danger by those who were associated with him before the murders and their views would always be taken into consideration prior to any parole decision being made.
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I have been following events in Mr Bamber's case from the beginning and have looked at the various appeals in some detail. I do not see a time when he could confess because frankly it would make little or no difference to his situation at this stage. Mr Bamber is still perceived as a danger by those who were associated with him before the murders and their views would always be taken into consideration prior to any parole decision being made.
I agree Mr K. Too much water has flowed under the bridge in the Bamber case for any great change to be made imo.
Holly is right when she says he would face massive ridicule and risk to his own wellbeing if he were to admit to killing two children. Child killers are not too well tolerated by other cons.
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Do you believe he is institutionalised Holly because that tends to occur by the tenth year.
Hi Angelo222. Yes surely he must be? It must be his 'normal'? IF his conviction is ever quashed I would think he will struggle to reintegrate back into society?
He told David James Smith, journalist, that he has forgotten what life was like outside. And in an interview with Eric Allison, journalist, he said the prospect of getting out was exciting but also frightening.
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I believe he has resigned himself to the fact that he might never be paroled.
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I believe he has resigned himself to the fact that he might never be paroled.
It would appear much is going on at the moment so much that I bought some scented notepaper and calligraphy set today to write to JB:
- Books by Carol Ann Lee and Paul Harrison deferred with no publication due date
- Trio of ladies on Blue: April, Caroline and Susan defected to the guilty camp
- JB and Simon McKay have parted company. According to NGB it was amicable.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5856.msg260750.html?PHPSESSID=000bc0953e411d661d7083258d5b29af#msg260750
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Although I remain firm in my belief re JB's innocence (unless something has come to light that I haven't heard about) I think in the absence of any family support he is fighting an uphill battle. Perhaps even a losing battle. One only has to think about the mothers of Stefan Kiszko and Stephen Lawrence to see how effective these single sources are. It is human nature that non-family will have vested interests which we witness all the time with fallings out on the forums, campaign team, JB's 'girlfriends' etc, etc. And others who have vendettas against the police, judiciary or wish to make political points. I would think Andrew Hunter might be the most reliable figure in JB's life but sadly his health might prevent him from being as active as he otherwise might.
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Interesting developments without a doubt Holly, maybe the girls have all seen the light at last?
ETA Not really surprising though since Tesko has never been able to bring a single piece of evidence to the table to prove his innocence.
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I've not quite been able to work out, what exactly changed their minds, regarding Bambers guilt.
I read about Caroline getting a bit suspicious about the wallet and Jeremy's reluctance to answer her questions about it, but surely there was always far more compelling evidence!
How strange that all three should suddenly change their minds.....all at the same time!!
All seems a bit odd to me.
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I've not quite been able to work out, what exactly changed their minds, regarding Bambers guilt.
I read about Caroline getting a bit suspicious about the wallet and Jeremy's reluctance to answer her questions about it, but surely there was always far more compelling evidence!
How strange that all three should suddenly change their minds.....all at the same time!!
All seems a bit odd to me.
They've been scipioed... a new word to add to the OED. 8((()*/
verb: to scipio - convince by sound logical analysis and argument... or otherwise thoroughly beat into submission!
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They've been scipioed... a new word to add to the OED. 8((()*/
verb: to scipio - convince by sound logical analysis and argument... or otherwise thoroughly beat into submission!
I thought scipio would burn out after a while but fair play to him he is still bombarding them with sound evidence. I have never seen the Bamber forum in such disarray for such a long time. Way to go skippy! 8((()*/
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I've not quite been able to work out, what exactly changed their minds, regarding Bambers guilt.
I read about Caroline getting a bit suspicious about the wallet and Jeremy's reluctance to answer her questions about it, but surely there was always far more compelling evidence!
How strange that all three should suddenly change their minds.....all at the same time!!
All seems a bit odd to me.
Yes I agree. I find it odd that anyone can study/research the case to the degree that they did and spend quite literally 24/7 on Blue over years believing JB innocent and then change their stance on what appears to be quite weak points eg wallet and 'The Last Trailer'. Perhaps there's more that we don't know. I know Andrea genuinely changed her stance but I think it was much earlier. Generally speaking where someone holds firm beliefs about say religion, politics, MoJ they are not usually easily changed &%+((£ I think Caroline had personal contact with JB by way of letters and this was the light bulb moment for her. She found JB "evasive". I think she may have posted up her correspondence with JB for posters to form their own views but as I am not a member I have been unable to view it. Apparently JB keeps a photo-copy of all his correspondence (prison rules) and the campaign team are going to make this available on the so-called 'Official Site'. So we will then be able to form our opinions. From what I can gather those who have had contact with JB become even more convinced of his innocence including lawyers who are trained to pick up on inconsistencies but obviously not so with Caroline. Perhaps Caroline is legally trained or has some other relevant training I don't know. Anyway each to their own it makes no odds to me. The only people capable of deciding if JB's conviction is unsafe and overturning it are appeal court judges. We will see...
I must confess, seriously, when I saw the title of the thread 'The Last Trailer' and read the first couple of sentences for some strange reason a low budget porn movie sprang to mind as in Debbie Does Dallas @)(++(* 8)><( 8()-000(
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5565.msg243191.html?PHPSESSID=02be6f646c6c406db6440beb195b6d9f#msg243191
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Yes I agree. I find it odd that anyone can study/research the case to the degree that they did and spend quite literally 24/7 on Blue over years believing JB innocent and then change their stance on what appears to be quite weak points eg wallet and 'The Last Trailer'. Perhaps there's more that we don't know. I know Andrea genuinely changed her stance but I think it was much earlier. Generally speaking where someone holds firm beliefs about say religion, politics, MoJ they are not usually easily changed &%+((£ I think Caroline had personal contact with JB by way of letters and this was the light bulb moment for her. She found JB "evasive". I think she may have posted up her correspondence with JB for posters to form their own views but as I am not a member I have been unable to view it. Apparently JB keeps a photo-copy of all his correspondence (prison rules) and the campaign team are going to make this available on the so-called 'Official Site'. So we will then be able to form our opinions. From what I can gather those who have had contact with JB become even more convinced of his innocence including lawyers who are trained to pick up on inconsistencies but obviously not so with Caroline. Perhaps Caroline is legally trained or has some other relevant training I don't know. Anyway each to their own it makes no odds to me. The only people capable of deciding if JB's conviction is unsafe and overturning it are appeal court judges. We will see...
I must confess, seriously, when I saw the title of the thread 'The Last Trailer' and read the first couple of sentences for some strange reason a low budget porn movie sprang to mind as in Debbie Does Dallas @)(++(* 8)><( 8()-000(
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5565.msg243191.html?PHPSESSID=02be6f646c6c406db6440beb195b6d9f#msg243191
Bloody hell Holly your long-winded and rambling posts could almost rival Scipio's *&*%£ Think you must be ever so sad and lonely 8)><(
Was thinking about Caroline's change in stance as per my post above (I should point out here that I couldn't give two hoots whether posters view JB as a potential MoJ or not but I am not into game playing (role playing maybe 8(0(*)) and remembered that she has a degree in psychology:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3463.msg136494.html#msg136494
So too April according to Susan
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3189.msg124239.html#msg124239
Could it be that their subjects on Blue are being experimented on:
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-paradoxical-thinking-20140715-story.html
Food for thought &%+((£
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Bloody hell Holly your long-winded and rambling posts could almost rival Scipio's *&*%£ Think you must be ever so sad and lonely 8)><(
Was thinking about Caroline's change in stance as per my post above (I should point out here that I couldn't give two hoots whether posters view JB as a potential MoJ or not but I am not into game playing (role playing maybe 8(0(*)) and remembered that she has a degree in psychology:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3463.msg136494.html#msg136494
So too April according to Susan
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3189.msg124239.html#msg124239
Could it be that their subjects on Blue are being experimented on:
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-paradoxical-thinking-20140715-story.html
Food for thought &%+((£
No I don't like games either H, I think Jeremy is guilty %£&)**# nothing to do with psychology experiments, &%&£(+ @)(++(*
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Oh ... hi Caroline and welcome! I am not the most observant as you can probably tell! Glad to see you have realised Bamber is truly a wrong 'un' .... I have seen many people move from innocent to guilty but never seen anyone read the whole case and move the other way!
Holly is coming next!
It's really a very simple case imho and although there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence , the simple fact is Sheila could not (and would not) of committed the murders ergo Bamber is guilty beyond any reasonable doubt! Even without the sound moderator evidence, just her clean feet, lack of blood evidence and lack of gun shot residue on her hands and clothes is way more than enough proof in my book! Let alone the preposterous notion she beat her dad so badly and didn't sustain one bruise or chip a manicured fingernail! Then you add Julie and the rest of the evidence and it's blindingly obvious Bamber is guilty.
And again imho Bamber will never confess. Even Nugnug an idiot knows there can be no redemption for executing children to gain there inheritance! Bamber knows full well that his crime is indeed 'evil almost beyond belief!
Hi Tim and thanks 8(0(*. I agree that he will never confess but if I am honest, there are still things that still bug me about the case. I'm not convinced about the silencer and I also find it odd that Venezis originally stated that Sheila's right hand was bloodied (in his written notes) but later changed to suggest they were clean in his typed statement.
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Absolutely agree with you, I found his evidence about the phone calls just too woolly. If Nevill had indeed phoned him in despair he would have taken off like a blue arsed fly...point is he didn't and couldn't have delayed longer if he had tried. The stopping to put on jumpers was a clue in itself, a five minute trip and he stopped half way???
Stan Jones saw the conspiracy from the moment he entered Jeremy's cottage in Goldhanger, from then on it was only a matter of watch and wait imo.
I agree the phone calls are highly subjective and in the absence of digital/satellite technology we just have no idea whether they did or didn't take place. I have a complete scenario that is highly plausible to me which involves a phone call from NB to JB. I haven't spent enough time looking at the NB to EP call but my gut reaction tells me this didn't happen.
Sort of digressing slightly but I noted in the judge's summing up in the OP trial the threshold for what constituted 'evidence' seemed high in contrast to say JB's case. Eg the judge said that witness testimony was unreliable and "normal relationships are dynamic and unpredictable, while human beings are fickle". The judge relied on phone records to provide a timeline. She found the evidence for premeditated murder was "purely circumstantial".
I was unable to spend the necessary time to form any strong views on the OP case.
I will always maintain that had JB had a different defence counsel with a different strategy he would have been found not guilty. I don't just blame Geoffrey Rivlin QC on the day, but also all those involved at Kingsley Napley in preparing the case - or not!
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It's all very well posters and others form the innocent camp criticising/accusing JM the relatives and others but imo they could do with taking a closer look at JB's defence at trial. For some strange reason they seem to emerge unscathed &%+((£
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Hi Tim and thanks 8(0(* . I agree that he will never confess but if I am honest, there are still things that still bug me about the case. I'm not convinced about the silencer and I also find it odd that Venezis originally stated that Sheila's right hand was bloodied (in his written notes) but later changed to suggest they were clean in his typed statement.
Have you got Dr Vanezis' written notes available that you can post, as I'm not clear on how they differ from the typed ones? Sheila's hands were bagged, so blood could have been transferred and spread on the way to the mortuary. If he later saw photos of the relatively clean fingers and palm of her right hand taken at the crime scene maybe he changed his typewritten statement to suit.
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Have you got Dr Vanezis' written notes available that you can post, as I'm not clear on how they differ from the typed ones? Sheila's hands were bagged, so blood could have been transferred and spread on the way to the mortuary. If he later saw photos of the relatively clean fingers and palm of her right hand taken at the crime scene maybe he changed his typewritten statement to suit.
Hi Myster, his writing isn't great but this is a translation of the section relating to Sheila's hands.
Well nourished. bloodstained palm print on nightdress (can't make out next word) bloodstains appear to have transferred from R hand.
Also bloodstain R side of nightdress
Yellow metal ring on ring finger R hand
Nicotine stains R hand
Both hands not contaminated apart from bloodstains.
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Thank you Caroline... good to see you here, although I think you'll find it a bit like the Land of Nod! 8((()*/
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Thank you Caroline... good to see you here, although I think you'll find it a bit like the Land of Nod! 8((()*/
Thank and you're welcome 8)--))
What do you make of the report? It seems to contradict what was said in his written statement?
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Thank you Caroline... good to see you here, although I think you'll find it a bit like the Land of Nod! 8((()*/
I would rather have the land of nod than than the three witches, pompous Gladys, the disengenuous ex-barrister all led by the creepy burglar! Even the child executioner himself has sent Preece and Tesko to Coventry and totally disowned that cranky forum!
With Bamber having publically dumped Tesko and Preece, the fact these two continue to dedicate their lives to his case shows to me they need the Bamber case to justify their existence and their campaigning has nothing to do with altruistically fighting a M.O.J.!
Having said that, I have to admit my following the case is pure Schaudenfroid (?). I get pleasure from seeing justice being done and Bamber and his dwindling fan club failing miserably at every turn!
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Heavy!!!
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I would rather have the land of nod than than the three witches, pompous Gladys, the disengenuous ex-barrister all led by the creepy burglar! Even the child executioner himself has sent Preece and Tesko to Coventry and totally disowned that cranky forum!
With Bamber having publically dumped Tesko and Preece, the fact these two continue to dedicate their lives to his case shows to me they need the Bamber case to justify their existence and their campaigning has nothing to do with altruistically fighting a M.O.J.!
Having said that, I have to admit my following the case is pure Schaudenfroid (?). I get pleasure from seeing justice being done and Bamber and his dwindling fan club failing miserably at every turn!
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Unlike say Myra Hindley whose only supporter was the eccentric Lord Longford, JB has a diverse mix of people supporting him including 'establishment' figures. I know of one high profile person who is not publicly known about. I imagine it's possible there are others too.
I know Hindley was never considered a MoJ, rightly so. However, Lord Longford supported her efforts for parole.
As you said Tim, JB distances himself from Blue for obvious reasons. Be assured the heavyweights don't post on Blue. Why would they?
I wouldn't describe NGB as disingenuous insofar as his belief that JB is the victim of a MoJ, but I think he's a massive disappointment insofar as his management of Blue goes. He accused me of "attacking" the mods over some ridiculously childish comment I made about encouraging Patti to join me in a girl gang to oppose the Knitting Circle. Oh and he went through the roof when I used the term "Knitting Circle" as it originated from this forum. I wouldn't have minded if the standards were/are consistently high across the board but they mostly certainly are not. The moderation is truly awful - the criteria must be lack of ability to act impartially at all times. I could say much but perhaps less is more.
I will NEVER forgive NGB for presiding over my ban and shabby treatment. A complete lack of balls to stand up to those who eventually turned on him..
Up pops Gladys...'forgiveness is good for the soul' as he thumbs the bible for spiritual guidance...
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Unlike say Myra Hindley whose only supporter was the eccentric Lord Longford, JB has a diverse mix of people supporting him including 'establishment' figures. I know of one high profile person who is not publicly known about. I imagine it's possible there are others too.
I know Hindley was never considered a MoJ, rightly so. However, Lord Longford supported her efforts for parole.
As you said Tim, JB distances himself from Blue for obvious reasons. Be assured the heavyweights don't post on Blue. Why would they?
I wouldn't describe NGB as disingenuous insofar as his belief that JB is the victim of a MoJ, but I think he's a massive disappointment insofar as his management of Blue goes. He accused me of "attacking" the mods over some ridiculously childish comment I made about encouraging Patti to join me in a girl gang to oppose the Knitting Circle. Oh and he went through the roof when I used the term "Knitting Circle" as it originated from this forum. I wouldn't have minded if the standards were/are consistently high across the board but they mostly certainly are not. The moderation is truly awful - the criteria must be lack of ability to act impartially at all times. I could say much but perhaps less is more.
I will NEVER forgive NGB for presiding over my ban and shabby treatment. A complete lack of balls to stand up to those who eventually turned on him..
Up pops Gladys...'forgiveness is good for the soul' as he thumbs the bible for spiritual guidance...
Come on then Holly, name these 'heavyweights'!
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Come on then Holly, name these 'heavyweights'!
Oh err well...George Galloway looks a bit on the heavy side... @)(++(*
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Holly dear lets not pretend there is any popular support for Jeremy Bamber's protestations of innocence! The Innocence Project, Mike Mansfield QC and others of that ilk would be all over such a high profile MOJ if they thought it was indeed an MOJ!
One MP with an obvious crush on Bamber circa 1985 and a few cranks in The Campaign Shed and at Tesco's does not make for an army of supporters .... more of a platoon I would say! Myra Hindley had far more trying to free her and Ted Bundy and Charles Manson had far bigger fanclubs!
Most sensible and honest supporters slowly realise they are very wrong and that the weight of evidence against Bamber is actually a mountain you could have a ski race upon! Tell you what Hols ... while I am waiting for you at the finish line, I will order lunch and by the time we have Irish coffees you will be firmly in the guilty camp! Exactly where you belong!
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Holly dear lets not pretend there is any popular support for Jeremy Bamber's protestations of innocence! The Innocence Project, Mike Mansfield QC and others of that ilk would be all over such a high profile MOJ if they thought it was indeed an MOJ!
One MP with an obvious crush on Bamber circa 1985 and a few cranks in The Campaign Shed and at Tesco's does not make for an army of supporters .... more of a platoon I would say! Myra Hindley had far more trying to free her and Ted Bundy and Charles Manson had far bigger fanclubs!
Most sensible and honest supporters slowly realise they are very wrong and that the weight of evidence against Bamber is actually a mountain you could have a ski race upon! Tell you what Hols ... while I am waiting for you at the finish line, I will order lunch and by the time we have Irish coffees you will be firmly in the guilty camp! Exactly where you belong!
Even Ian Brady has a forum dedicated to him. 8(8-))
It's supremely ironic that the one person who would be most relieved to see the demise of the Jeremy Bamber forum is......Jeremy Bamber. It's now a place where Gladys can make a fool of himself, all day every day, Clappy can endlessly insult the dead, and Mike can just say whatever lunacy pops into his little head. I'd say that it was time to call it a day, except that it really does do more harm than good to Bamber. So, carry on!
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Unlike say Myra Hindley whose only supporter was the eccentric Lord Longford, JB has a diverse mix of people supporting him including 'establishment' figures. I know of one high profile person who is not publicly known about. I imagine it's possible there are others too.
I know Hindley was never considered a MoJ, rightly so. However, Lord Longford supported her efforts for parole.
As you said Tim, JB distances himself from Blue for obvious reasons. Be assured the heavyweights don't post on Blue. Why would they?
I wouldn't describe NGB as disingenuous insofar as his belief that JB is the victim of a MoJ, but I think he's a massive disappointment insofar as his management of Blue goes. He accused me of "attacking" the mods over some ridiculously childish comment I made about encouraging Patti to join me in a girl gang to oppose the Knitting Circle. Oh and he went through the roof when I used the term "Knitting Circle" as it originated from this forum. I wouldn't have minded if the standards were/are consistently high across the board but they mostly certainly are not. The moderation is truly awful - the criteria must be lack of ability to act impartially at all times. I could say much but perhaps less is more.
I will NEVER forgive NGB for presiding over my ban and shabby treatment. A complete lack of balls to stand up to those who eventually turned on him..
Up pops Gladys...'forgiveness is good for the soul' as he thumbs the bible for spiritual guidance...
My understanding is that Hartley accused ngb1066 of treating members differently and effectively called him a liar. There was an exchange between the two which was deleted so I can only assume words were exchanged. All very weird and if they aren't careful there wont be many real debaters left.
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My understanding is that Hartley accused ngb1066 of treating members differently and effectively called him a liar. There was an exchange between the two which was deleted so I can only assume words were exchanged. All very weird and if they aren't careful there wont be many real debaters left.
I always got on well with Hartley despite our very different views on WHF. When I first joined Blue I learned a lot about the case from his posts. Bridget too. Although they didn't convert me! Hartley made a significant contribution to the library/archives.
I'm not sure about the background to his lasts posts ie prior to his ban but they seemed out of character for him. He was normally Mr Diplomat just taking things to the wire! I often wished he had have been a bit naughtier! I think he accused NGB of not believing JB is the victim of a MoJ and effectively lying &%+((£ He had a spat with Patti too a couple of weeks back and I think a temporary ban was imposed then. Perhaps he just got bored going round in circles and/or frustrated that others don't share his view when to him it is patently obvious &%+((£
I have no idea how posters on Blue can keep going round and round in circles, like a friggin hamster on a wheel, debating the same stuff over and over again. Is there an objective? And if so what is it? How many threads do they currently have going on those damned phone calls. All of which are a variation on a theme and that doesn't include the historic phone threads 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><(
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I always got on well with Hartley despite our very different views on WHF. When I first joined Blue I learned a lot about the case from his posts. Bridget too. Although they didn't convert me! Hartley made a significant contribution to the library/archives.
I'm not sure about the background to his lasts posts ie prior to his ban but they seemed out of character for him. He was normally Mr Diplomat just taking things to the wire! I often wished he had have been a bit naughtier! I think he accused NGB of not believing JB is the victim of a MoJ and effectively lying &%+((£ He had a spat with Patti too a couple of weeks back and I think a temporary ban was imposed then. Perhaps he just got bored going round in circles and/or frustrated that others don't share his view when to him it is patently obvious &%+((£
I have no idea how posters on Blue can keep going round and round in circles, like a friggin hamster on a wheel, debating the same stuff over and over again. Is there an objective? And if so what is it? How many threads do they currently have going on those damned phone calls. All of which are a variation on a theme and that doesn't include the historic phone threads 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><(
I've had a quick squiz on blue but, blimey, it's more boring than ever. It's like eating a horrible, dry old biscuit and, without Hartley, no jam in the middle. 8(8-))
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Hartley always bounces back so no doubt we will hear from him in the fullness of time.
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Cooee Holly - you still going round in circles too with all that psychobabble?... when the answer's as obvious and straightforward as a game of Cluedo! - Farmer Jezz did it in the bedroom with the rifle... period, fullstop, end of story.
Leave a few of those cry smileys for other posters, please!... we're running short. 8**8:/:
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Cooee Holly -you still going round in circles too with all that psychobabble?... when the answer's as obvious and straightforward as a game of Cluedo! - Farmer Jezz did it in the bedroom with the rifle... period, fullstop, end of story.
Leave a few of those cry smileys for other posters, please!... we're running short. 8**8:/:
If by this you mean my theories surrounding the psychology of adoption, June's mental illness circa 1959, science of neglect and SC suffering an attachment disorder, then yes this still very much forms the basis of my thinking that JB is the victim of a MoJ. If other aspects of the case pointed towards JB being guilty then I would ditch my theories but to my mind they don't. I think JB's defence at trial was very poor and I don't buy excuses about evidence being withheld and fabricated (although I do believe some evidence was fabricated). I think the defence had enough for an acquittal. The Jeremy supporters could do with being a bit more critical of the defence rather than singling out prosecution witnesses for criticism and worse.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4513.msg163034#msg163034
My psychobabble is reinforced further when I hear the likes of tv psychologists eg Kerry Danes (Killing mum and dad), David Holmes (Slaughter at the farm) and Katherine Ramsland (Behind mansion doors) ignoring the above and claiming that JB suffered from psychopathy, sibling rivalry, sense of abandonment, and narcissistic immunity. It is clear that the tv psychologists have not researched the case histories of the victims and JB. Moreover none of them have met with JB to carry out proper assessments. Those who have carried out proper assessments have found JB to be without any mental illness and/or personality disorder(s).
8**8:/: x
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June and Neville gave two unwanted and unloved children a fantastic home. They wanted for nothing and indeed had an enviable childhood 'down on the farm'! Neither had to struggle to find a job and the roofs over their heads were a gift from their excellent and highly respected parents!
Holly I find your insinuations that somehow both J. and S. were somehow placed in a position of neglect and/or abuse with June and Neville is totally without foundation! Your tag line 'justice for S. and J.' is an unwarranted and unjustified insult to murder victims!
Just my opinion .... you personally are always respectful in putting your opinions but I do not agree with you on this subject.
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Interestingly he won't confess.
However if he had not been convicted, once things had blown over he would certainly have at least hinted of his involvement.
Fooling the police would not be something he would be able keep quiet for long. Prior to being a suspect he had already told Julie and started living it up.
He also abruptly said to Liz Rimmington soon after the massacre ' only I know what really happened that night'.
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But he did that before he was convicted anyway ? He told Julie about his involvement ?
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But he did that before he was convicted anyway ? He told Julie about his involvement ?
Exactly. If he did not get convicted or arrested, he would have boasted or hinted to people he trusted of his perfect crime.
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Was not exactly the perfect crime though was it. Fancy telling Julie the hitman story when he was not really that convinced about their relationship. And then to top it all mentioning a man who had a cast iron alibi?
Its seems in fact he was the most stupid of men . Not an evil murderer who planned every detail.
As you have managed to convince lots of others of his guilt - what is your opinion - stupid or clever?
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No, I don't think so. I believe Hall confessed because he believed he could come across as being rehabilitated and one day released back into society. Bamber doesn't have that luxury due to the whole life tariff, he will always maintain his innocence.
I thought the whole life tariff is there because he has not confessed? Showing no remorse or culpability for the crime ect.
John Cooper (The Gameshow Killer) is in the same position as Bamber, Killed multiple people but claims innocence therefore whole life tariff.
I could be wrong, but if them two did have parole its still 99% they would die in prison.
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I thought the whole life tariff is there because he has not confessed? Showing no remorse or culpability for the crime ect.
John Cooper (The Gameshow Killer) is in the same position as Bamber, Killed multiple people but claims innocence therefore whole life tariff.
I could be wrong, but if them two did have parole its still 99% they would die in prison.
You don't just get a WLT because you haven't confessed but there is no chance that it would be overturned and parole given unless there is a confession - and even then, it depends on the circumstances of the crime. I don't think a WLT has ever been overturned? However, you can't get parole without rehabilitation and you can't be rehabilitated without taking responsibility for your crime.
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You don't just get a WLT because you haven't confessed but there is no chance that it would be overturned and parole given unless there is a confession - and even then, it depends on the circumstances of the crime. I don't think a WLT has ever been overturned? However, you can't get parole without rehabilitation and you can't be rehabilitated without taking responsibility for your crime.
You can get a WLT quashed then given a new tariff with the possibility of parole
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisoners_with_whole-life_tariffs#Quashed_whole-life_tariffs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisoners_with_whole-life_tariffs#Quashed_whole-life_tariffs)
Since Bamber was sentenced at 24, If he dies in prison which is very likely he may well serve the longest prison time in British history.
What is his motive thou? once all avenues and appeals exhausted then what?
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A confession would have to include the name of his co conspirator(s).
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hi killers like bamber will never confess.because there is no solid evidence against him .these are cold calculated killers not psychopaths.the rettingdon murders 3 gangsters shot dead in range rover in the 90s.no firm evidence against the killers charged but have been locked up for over 20 years still claim innocence.but one vital bit of evidence Craig rolff the dead driver of that car told his girlfriend he and the boys were meeting micky steel.one of the killers to look at a possible landing site for a light plane the evening of the murders.so guilty as charged but not admitting it.
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hi killers like bamber will never confess.because there is no solid evidence against him .these are cold calculated killers not psychopaths.the rettingdon murders 3 gangsters shot dead in range rover in the 90s.no firm evidence against the killers charged but have been locked up for over 20 years still claim innocence.but one vital bit of evidence Craig rolff the dead driver of that car told his girlfriend he and the boys were meeting micky steel.one of the killers to look at a possible landing site for a light plane the evening of the murders.so guilty as charged but not admitting it.
I am confident the crown made its case. Also Darren Nicolls the star witness is not considered bright enough to have fabricated such a version of events with the detail and consistency he did.
I don't know why they protest innocence everyone wanted those men dead. They would be better off claiming they were in fear of their lives and it was pre-emptive self defence. Lets be honest they done everyone a favour executing them,
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I am confident the crown made its case. Also Darren Nicolls the star witness is not considered bright enough to have fabricated such a version of events with the detail and consistency he did.
I don't know why they protest innocence everyone wanted those men dead. They would be better off claiming they were in fear of their lives and it was pre-emptive self defence. Lets be honest they done everyone a favour executing them,
very true they were bullies.and we all know what happens to bullies.david see the comments on rettendon murders is it a moj.i would like your input on the comments
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Cooee Holly - you still going round in circles too with all that psychobabble?... when the answer's as obvious and straightforward as a game of Cluedo! - Farmer Jezz did it in the bedroom with the rifle... period, fullstop, end of story.
Leave a few of those cry smileys for other posters, please!... we're running short. 8**8:/:
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June and Neville gave two unwanted and unloved children a fantastic home. They wanted for nothing and indeed had an enviable childhood 'down on the farm'! Neither had to struggle to find a job and the roofs over their heads were a gift from their excellent and highly respected parents!
Holly I find your insinuations that somehow both J. and S. were somehow placed in a position of neglect and/or abuse with June and Neville is totally without foundation! Your tag line 'justice for S. and J.' is an unwarranted and unjustified insult to murder victims!
Just my opinion .... you personally are always respectful in putting your opinions but I do not agree with you on this subject.
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I have been following events in Mr Bamber's case from the beginning and have looked at the various appeals in some detail. I do not see a time when he could confess because frankly it would make little or no difference to his situation at this stage. Mr Bamber is still perceived as a danger by those who were associated with him before the murders and their views would always be taken into consideration prior to any parole decision being made.
great summing up mr justice 8((()*/ 8@??)(
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Can't believe I wrote that and insulted dear Holly! What a plonker!... I must have had a skinful at the time. 8(8-))
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Can't believe I wrote that and insulted dear Holly! What a plonker!... I must have had a skinful at the time. 8(8-))
delete it if your feeling guilty i personally think its straight to the point &%+((£
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Bamber won't confess because he has nothing to gain from doing so. He has a whole life tariff, even admitting guilt wouldn't change anything for him, it would just add negativity to his time inside, he would be known as a child killer to those who have believed him innocent and supported him - he'd be the worst of the worst inside and not have his MOJ stance to hide behind.
Also he would lose the attention of some of his supporters on the outside aswell as special privileges he receives because he is fighting his case as a MOJ.
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He is institutionalised now having been imprisoned for some 30 years. Reality will have abandoned him a long time ago and that is why just about everyone who has had contact with him come away with a strange foreboding that not all appears as it seems.
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He is institutionalised now having been imprisoned for some 30 years. Reality will have abandoned him a long time ago and that is why just about everyone who has had contact with him come away with a strange foreboding that not all appears as it seems.
I couldn't have said it better myself John and several have walked away from him in recent weeks.
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I couldn't have said it better myself John and several have walked away from him in recent weeks.
Hi Daisy. I know how much you have been involved with the case and Jeremy and I'm sure there are times when you think to yourself that it could have been oh so different. I admit there are times when I actually feel sorry for him and the predicament he brought upon himself and then I visualise the twins, shot several times in the head as they slept, one was sucking his thumb. How could he be so callous?
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Hi Daisy. I know how much you have been involved with the case and Jeremy and I'm sure there are times when you think to yourself that it could have been oh so different. I admit there are times when I actually feel sorry for him and the predicament he brought upon himself and then I visualise the twins, shot several times in the head as they slept, one was sucking his thumb. How could he be so callous?
I agree IF he's guilty and I think a whole life tariff is the appropriate sentence too BUT I don't think he's guilty.
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We know, we know, we know!... but you'll come around eventually, when CERA reveals JB's prints. 8((()*/
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I must have conversed with over a dozen avid supporters who have since changed their mind and their stance as to Jeremy but fair play to Holly, she wants to get down to the nitty gritty.