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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Tim Invictus on September 25, 2014, 07:01:27 PM
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As expected Simon McKay is no longer representing Jeremy Bamber.
There is no announcement yet from the Bamber campaign hut and the killer will have a tough time finding new representation now with no legal aid bucket to dip their noses into!
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The crew abandoned ship several months ago when the short piece about Simon McKay representing Jeremy Bamber disappeared from the front page of the official site without any reason given - they all come to realise the truth in the end!
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As expected Simon McKay is no longer representing Jeremy Bamber.
There is no announcement yet from the Bamber campaign hut and the killer will have a tough time finding new representation now with no legal aid bucket to dip their noses into!
The motives of those who 'support' JB by way of working pro bono or funding potential new evidence etc are interesting. Is it possible that some are simply acting out of altruism and/or are highly principled? I think some view the likes of Michaeal Mansfiled QC as being highly principled? He describes himself as a "radical lawyer". Is this possible or are they wishing to prove points eg dissatisfaction with the judicial system/political and if the latter is this a bad thing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mansfield
As I understand it IF JB's conviction is ever quashed he could end up with Government compensation amounting to sweet fa rising to a maximum of £500,000. The latter would not even come close to cover loss of earnings during his incarceration. And once he provides a roof over his head would not even leave him particularly comfortable. His earnings potential is not particularly good based on experience and qualifications other than the potential for books/films and this is by no means a racing cert ie would there be a market and potential legal issues? The potential to reclaim the loss of his inheritance and growth on this is significant but could take years to thrash out legally.
JB could tell those who have supported him to do one and unless they have something legally binding they wouldn't have a leg to stand on and I doubt JB would be in a position to enter into such agreements from behind bars? It's difficult to see how the likes of SM could claim anything other than their hourly rate? I think the Law Society might have something to say if a solicitor who claimed to be acting pro bono for a potential MoJ is then seen to want payment above his/her normal hourly rate?
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According to NGB, JB has a new legal team:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5856.msg261088.html#msg261088
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Again according to NGB fresh submissions are due with the CCRC before year end. There are a number of relevant posts on this thread:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5802.msg258445.html#msg258445
Good grief...posters will start talking and accuse me of sleeping with the enemy 8)><(
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If I recall correctly, Simon McKay once stated on twitter that the conviction of Jeremy Bamber was unsafe, I don't think he ever claimed he was innocent. Lawyer speak yet again.
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According to NGB, JB has a new legal team:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5856.msg261088.html#msg261088
If NGB told me it was sunny I would get my umbrella! Since his laughable comments on Bbamber's last CCRC appeal, he has lost all credibility in my book. And wasn't it NGB himself who said if the last appeal failed the CCRC aren't likely to entertain any Bamber submissions for a good decade!
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If NGB told me it was sunny I would get my umbrella! Since his laughable comments on Bbamber's last CCRC appeal, he has lost all credibility in my book. And wasn't it NGB himself who said if the last appeal failed the CCRC aren't likely to entertain any Bamber submissions for a good decade!
This post sticks in my mind:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1989.msg61889.html#msg61889
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This post sticks in my mind:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1989.msg61889.html#msg61889
A good find Holly. If Neil thinks a former police officer will somehow break rank he is more deluded than I first thought. There is nothing for them to break rank over regardless of Tesko's threats to one of the officers who retired to Australia. Everything which happened that morning as far as the police are concerned is contained within the files already available to us. There is no hidden agenda, no secret pact, no mystery shooting and above all nothing more to find!
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A good find Holly. If Neil thinks a former police officer will somehow break rank he is more deluded than I first thought. There is nothing for them to break rank over regardless of Tesko's threats to one of the officers who retired to Australia. Everything which happened that morning as far as the police are concerned is contained within the files already available to us. There is no hidden agenda, no secret pact, no mystery shooting and above all nothing more to find!
I don't understand the relevance of pii to this case by this I mean is it the norm that a lot of case related documents are held this way? For example other controversial cases eg Sion Jenkins?
I personally think that if the documents held under pii were released to the defence it might be a bit of a disappointment. I can see more of what is already in the public domain eg documents that are ambiguous and contain administrative errors that ultimately would not be capable of swaying the CCRC/CoA. No doubt during the last 3 decades the police have received much training in writing up and recording evidence so there's less likelihood of genuine administrative errors occurring.
I might be wrong of course. I see myself as someone who struggles with conspiracy theories especially in the WHF case where there appears to be no incentive to conspire.
I cant see any police wrongdoing other than IF JB is innocent then I think the silencer evidence was fabricated with only 1 or 2 police officers involved. I do have a niggle about the buckets too. I don't understand why the raid team would not have noted these on their statements especially as they contained bloody clothing/water? At this stage they would not have known SC was menstruating and even if they did their training would surely kick in to not assume and the buckets/contents would be sent for analysis?
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This post sticks in my mind:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1989.msg61889.html#msg61889
Yep a great find Holly to perfectly illustrate the point! NGB was spot on, a failed CCRC appeal would and therefore did "spell the end" for Jetemy Bamber! I find it disengenuous of NGB to now talk of fresh appeals and pretend ike there is a snowballs chance in hell of Bamber ever being released! We know you know better NGB!
And to talk of a 'police officer breaking ranks' suggests he does actually believe a possible police conspiracy against Bamber. I can understand idiots like Clappedout and Mad Jackie believing that but for an ex-barrister to say it is quite disturbing! That must have been the worst Keystone Cops conspiracy in the history of policing; they made themselves look utter fools for a month accepting 'Bambi did it' only to have to admit they were all incomptent chumps just so they could frame a totally innocent man for no discernible reason!
You have just got to laugh haven't you! And we have been everyday of the case! @)(++(*
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Absolutely, if the police wanted to carry out a conspiracy it would have involved going along with the 'Sheila done it' theory which some officers originally held valid. It would have been interesting to know what Taff Jones' views were in the end had he not fallen off a ladder at home and broke his neck.
Why is it that Jeremy dumps everyone in the end?
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Absolutely, if the police wanted to carry out a conspiracy it would have involved going along with the 'Sheila done it' theory which some officers originally held valid. It would have been interesting to know what Taff Jones' views were in the end had he not fallen off a ladder at home and broke his neck.
Why is it that Jeremy dumps everyone in the end?
I agree, surely if there had been a conspiracy or 'something' happened after police stormed the house, a second investigation to 'fit up' Jeremy would make it more likely that the 'something' would be found out? Also, people talk of 'something' happening but have no clue what it could be. What would/could have happened that would result in police knowingly framing an innocent man? I can't think of a single thing.
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I agree, surely if there had been a conspiracy or 'something' happened after police stormed the house, a second investigation to 'fit up' Jeremy would make it more likely that the 'something' would be found out? Also, people talk of 'something' happening but have no clue what it could be. What would/could have happened that would result in police knowingly framing an innocent man? I can't think of a single thing.
Me neither! But people who believe "something" happened, never seem to have an idea of what that could be. They just blindly believe "something" did, it's my biggest pet hate with MOST people who believe Bamber is innocent - they can't say WHY he is innocent - just that he is.
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Absolutely, if the police wanted to carry out a conspiracy it would have involved going along with the 'Sheila done it' theory which some officers originally held valid. It would have been interesting to know what Taff Jones' views were in the end had he not fallen off a ladder at home and broke his neck.
Why is it that Jeremy dumps everyone in the end?
It would have saved vast amounts of man power hours and public money.
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Ive noticed that Max Clifford's barrister's cv says that he acts for Bamber. How can Bamber afford a senior QC like that?
http://3rblaw.com/barristers/richard-horwell
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I meant to say that this guy has a very good reputation. He's a leading criminal QC ie he's no Simon Mckay.
Of course, one good thing could come out of it - he could advise Bamber that his case is hopeless.
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As far as I'm aware Richard Horwell QC acted for JB with regard to the ECHR/life tariff only. This has nothing to do with the WHF murders and what JB considers is his MoJ.
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Oh ok, thanks for that.
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Oh ok, thanks for that.
You're welcome. Hi btw and welcome to the forum.
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Again according to NGB fresh submissions are due with the CCRC before year end. There are a number of relevant posts on this thread:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5802.msg258445.html#msg258445
Good grief...posters will start talking and accuse me of sleeping with the enemy 8)><(
I was reading in the papers yesterday about the footballer Chad Evans. He was convicted of rape and served 2.5 years of a 5 year sentence. Released a few days ago. Apparently CE's legal team have put together a new case and the CCRC are fast-tracking it so he doesn't have to wait the normal 18 months.
Apparently JB has a new submission winging its way to CCRC which is due before year end, but assuming he has to wait the normal 18 months it would seem that JB is going nowhere fast which I am sure will please some!
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I dont think the CCRC will even consider the further submissions in any detail. They made it clear last time around that the case was now closed (as far as they were concerned) after nearly 30 years and they wouldn't have made such a statement unless they were willing to follow it through. Unless the Lord Chief Justice said something at last year's judicial review hearing ( to the effect that further submissions should be lodged on a certain point rather than the court deal with it in that JR) I dont think the CCRC will do a lot more than briefly consider the submissions and then throw them out. All Bamber can then do is apply for yet another Judicial Review and the odds will be massively stacked against him on that application.
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I dont think the CCRC will even consider the further submissions in any detail. They made it clear last time around that the case was now closed (as far as they were concerned) after nearly 30 years and they wouldn't have made such a statement unless they were willing to follow it through. Unless the Lord Chief Justice said something at last year's judicial review hearing ( to the effect that further submissions should be lodged on a certain point rather than the court deal with it in that JR) I dont think the CCRC will do a lot more than briefly consider the submissions and then throw them out. All Bamber can then do is apply for yet another Judicial Review and the odds will be massively stacked against him on that application.
My understanding is that the CCRC is duty bound to accept unlimited submissions from defendants and each application must be treated on its own merit.
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My understanding is that the CCRC is duty bound to accept unlimited submissions from defendants and each application must be treated on its own merit.
Well they have the same obligations as the courts to deal with applications fairly ( they cant simply reject the application out of hand) but they can take a view and dismiss it without going into nearly as much detail as last time and I believe that that will be the case here. As i said, the CCRC made a clear statement last time about finality and unless something major comes up in the new submissions, I dont think they will be wasting much time on this.
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Well they have the same obligations as the courts to deal with applications fairly ( they cant simply reject the application out of hand) but they can take a view and dismiss it without going into nearly as much detail as last time and I believe that that will be the case here. As i said, the CCRC made a clear statement last time about finality and unless something major comes up in the new submissions, I dont think they will be wasting much time on this.
I am sure they have experienced case handlers who are capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff 8(0(*
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To work as Jeremy's new lawyer must be need a lot of motivation.
The recent CCRC application was dismissed and a new application may never happen. What new legal avenues can anyone find ?