Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: xtina on December 26, 2014, 12:25:28 PM
Title: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: xtina on December 26, 2014, 12:25:28 PM
think this will be really interesting...
Damning new Madeleine documentary promised for 2015
A damning new “evidence-based” documentary is being prepared for screening in 2015 and promises to tell the “Untold Story of Madeleine McCann” - alleging that “no abduction took place at all”. Orchestrated by independent journalist and social activist Sonia Poulton, the project got underway following the death of 63-year-old grandmother Brenda Leyland - the so-called internet “troll” “outed” over tweets that questioned the official version of events “as put forward by mainstream media”. According to Poulton, Leyland wrote in a tweet last year that “should she die in odd circumstances” she hoped “people would question, and not just accept the first version of events”. This is what Poulton claims has spurred her on. In a Christmas message posted on Youtube, the former broadcaster with Internet TV station The People’s Voice reveals her documentary should be ready by the end of March. Poulton claims her investigation has already flagged up “plenty of evidence to suggest there was not an abduction”. Her focus, she explains, has been on “interviews with “central characters” in the disappearance. “As you can imagine, these have not exactly been forthcoming”, she adds. Thus, the decision to “door-step” those she believes have “questions to answer”. This far Poulton claims to have door-stepped four key characters in the mystery, and she says her investigation has also “traced someone involved in the campaign” to maintain the official version of events, whose identity will “shock people”. Poulton’s Christmas message to all those “fighting for justice” who have become “online detectives” over the last seven years is simply that they remain strong. “We all need to be heard now”, she concludes. “The fact is that the media is systematically failing to represent what is being said online with regard to Madeleine McCann”. As the Metropolitan Police investigation moves into 2015 - having already cost the British taxpayer over £10 million - and a Portuguese inquiry is also ongoing, Poulton reveals that she has been in touch with Scotland Yard to say she would be “more than happy” to be interviewed over her contention that many aspects of the abduction theory “do not add up”. She claims “even a cursory glance” at the factual information available would show this, but that “heavy censorship” means that very few people are aware unless they delve into the police files. “We will not be silenced any more”, Poulton said in an earlier clip, also posted on Youtube, shortly after Brenda Leyland’s death in October. “We are no longer prepared to be ignored, or silenced or demonised just because we say that that official version of events needs to be questioned”. As Poulton’s investigation continues, it is uncertain where the final documentary will be broadcast. Her move from The People’s Voice in January was not without controversy, and she has since been described on the alternative online blog The Needle as not so much a journalist but “just a woman with an opinion on everything”.
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Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2014, 12:28:46 PM
think this will be really interesting ...[sorry if posted elsewhere]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0P7uBP8B1I
Sonia poulton has zero credibility...this has been posted and removed as have all discussions about her...I could post a lot more
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 26, 2014, 05:07:43 PM
She is no different to anybody else on here who has a view or an opinion....she claims she is going to out a person in a high place who maintains the abduction theory....that will merely support the mccanns account...far better if she could out someone in a high place who does not believe the abduction...she can't...that speaks volumes...
She has no credibility as an investigative journalist
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 26, 2014, 05:11:10 PM
think this will be really interesting ...[sorry if posted elsewhere]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0P7uBP8B1I
Sonia boasts of doorstepping key protagonists in the McCann case and exclaims gleefully that she plans to unmask an anonymous McCann supporter on her video. Can you please explain why someone who claims to abhor the actions of the dossier compilers and Martin Brunt plans to carry out what amounts to pretty much the same actions? Is this video a "revenge attack"? Is the ultimate aim to hound a McCann supporter to their deaths in order to avenge Leyland's death? If not, what is the reason for this public outing exactly?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: xtina on December 27, 2014, 01:10:50 PM
Sonia boasts of doorstepping key protagonists in the McCann case and exclaims gleefully that she plans to unmask an anonymous McCann supporter on her video. Can you please explain why someone who claims to abhor the actions of the dossier compilers and Martin Brunt plans to carry out what amounts to pretty much the same actions? Is this video a "revenge attack"? Is the ultimate aim to hound a McCann supporter to their deaths in order to avenge Leyland's death? If not, what is the reason for this public outing exactly?
well imo .....it is to show that there is another side to all this ......one story is good till another one is told .....but the other story for fear of reprisals never gets told in the media or elsewhere does it....yet
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: xtina on December 27, 2014, 01:24:44 PM
Sonia poulton has zero credibility...this has been posted and removed as have all discussions about her...I could post a lot more
well lets face it then ....everyone has zero credibilty ....because no one knows ...do they ...who is telling the truth....and in a case like this ...if it had ever gone to trial there would have been a prosicution and a defence ....well same thing really ....some are the prosicutors some the defence........the rest is to just hope the truth will come out one day .....but it should be allowed that that both sides are shown equally.imo
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 27, 2014, 02:28:50 PM
well lets face it then ....everyone has zero credibilty ....because no one knows ...do they ...who is telling the truth....and in a case like this ...if it had ever gone to trial there would have been a prosicution and a defence ....well same thing really ....some are the prosicutors some the defence........the rest is to just hope the truth will come out one day .....but it should be allowed that that both sides are shown equally.imo
Sonia poulton knows no more about this case than most of the posters on here...and probably a lot less than some. She will simply rehash what is on jill haverns forum..I think a lot of people will be very disappointed.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 27, 2014, 03:39:35 PM
Always best to assume the worst and then anything better is a bonus 8)-)))
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 27, 2014, 03:42:22 PM
But I don't know why people keep trying to link her to JH forum, and a certain person: there is no link I've seen (SP is in with a different crowd altogether).
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on December 27, 2014, 03:48:46 PM
But I don't know why people keep trying to link her to JH forum, and a certain person: there is no link I've seen (SP is in with a different crowd altogether).
They are doing to Sonia Poulton exactly what Gerry did in Lisbon to Amaral ie trying to her to the only person the McCanns have ever sued successfully. Guilt by association.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 27, 2014, 03:56:20 PM
But I don't know why people keep trying to link her to JH forum, and a certain person: there is no link I've seen (SP is in with a different crowd altogether).
SP talks about people who have "researched" the case for seven years...we shall see who she is talking about...have you read about her previous expose on the holly greig case...an absolute classic in independent journalism.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 27, 2014, 03:57:07 PM
They are doing to Sonia Poulton exactly what Gerry did in Lisbon to Amaral ie trying to her to the only person the McCanns have ever sued successfully. Guilt by association.
Could be Faithlilly, but she's clearly her own person and not short of her own opinions (to say the least).
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 27, 2014, 04:00:24 PM
SP talks about people who have "researched" the case for seven years...we shall see who she is talking about...have you read about her previous expose on the holly greig case...an absolute classic in independent journalism.
No, I never saw that (or much else she's done). SP has every right to make a film on the case like everyone else; I just hope she's had some legal advice (I doubt the people encouraging her have given her any of that).
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on December 27, 2014, 04:05:28 PM
Portugal Resident
Posted by jomad on December 26, 2014
Damning new Madeleine documentary promised for 2015
A damning new “evidence-based” documentary is being prepared for screening in 2015 and promises to tell the “Untold Story of Madeleine McCann” - alleging that “no abduction took place at all”.
Orchestrated by independent journalist and social activist Sonia Poulton, the project got underway following the death of 63-year-old grandmother Brenda Leyland - the so-called internet “troll” “outed” over tweets that questioned the official version of events “as put forward by mainstream media”.
According to Poulton, Leyland wrote in a tweet last year that “should she die in odd circumstances” she hoped “people would question, and not just accept the first version of events”.
This is what Poulton claims has spurred her on. In a Christmas message posted on Youtube, the former broadcaster with Internet TV station The People’s Voice reveals her documentary should be ready by the end of March.
Poulton claims her investigation has already flagged up “plenty of evidence to suggest there was not an abduction”. Her focus, she explains, has been on “interviews with “central characters” in the disappearance.
“As you can imagine, these have not exactly been forthcoming”, she adds.
Thus, the decision to “door-step” those she believes have “questions to answer”.
This far Poulton claims to have door-stepped four key characters in the mystery, and she says her investigation has also “traced someone involved in the campaign” to maintain the official version of events, whose identity will “shock people”.
Poulton’s Christmas message to all those “fighting for justice” who have become “online detectives” over the last seven years is simply that they remain strong. “We all need to be heard now”, she concludes. “The fact is that the media is systematically failing to represent what is being said online with regard to Madeleine McCann”. As the Metropolitan Police investigation moves into 2015 - having already cost the British taxpayer over £10 million - and a Portuguese inquiry is also ongoing, Poulton reveals that she has been in touch with Scotland Yard to say she would be “more than happy” to be interviewed over her contention that many aspects of the abduction theory “do not add up”.
She claims “even a cursory glance” at the factual information available would show this, but that “heavy censorship” means that very few people are aware unless they delve into the police files.
“We will not be silenced any more”, Poulton said in an earlier clip, also posted on Youtube, shortly after Brenda Leyland’s death in October.
“We are no longer prepared to be ignored, or silenced or demonised just because we say that that official version of events needs to be questioned”.
As Poulton’s investigation continues, it is uncertain where the final documentary will be broadcast. Her move from The People’s Voice in January was not without controversy, and she has since been described on the alternative online blog The Needle as not so much a journalist but “just a woman with an opinion on everything”.
No, I never saw that (or much else she's done). SP has every right to make a film on the case like everyone else; I just hope she's had some legal advice (I doubt the people encouraging her have given her any of that).
she has every right to make a film...and if she libels the mccanns they have every right to sue her but I doubt she would be that stupid
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 27, 2014, 04:12:23 PM
They are doing to Sonia Poulton exactly what Gerry did in Lisbon to Amaral ie trying to her to the only person the McCanns have ever sued successfully. Guilt by association.
SP refers to a group who have been researching the case for seven years....do you imagine there are a group of people we don't know about ...it is obvious who she is referring to. ..all will be revealed..
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 27, 2014, 04:46:51 PM
Atrociously written article.
Sorry jomad. 8(0(* (I'm sure you did it in a rush).
8)--))
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 27, 2014, 04:54:41 PM
OMG...poulton says Maddie was not abducted...that's absolutely incredible...what a revelation
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 27, 2014, 05:03:21 PM
OMG...poulton says Maddie was not abducted...that's absolutely incredible...what a revelation
I can't wait to be shocked by the revelation that someone somewhere actually supports the McCanns and their version of events...it couldn't be (gulp) Andy Redwood could it???!
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 27, 2014, 05:11:46 PM
They are doing to Sonia Poulton exactly what Gerry did in Lisbon to Amaral ie trying to her to the only person the McCanns have ever sued successfully. Guilt by association.
Erm...why was the action the McCanns took against several major UK newspapers not considered successful then?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Montclair on December 27, 2014, 05:56:04 PM
Probably because the cases against the UK newspapers never saw the inside of a court house and they settled out of court.
Wonder why it was that the UK legal eagles employed by the British newspapers didn't intervene to stop them settling out of court?
I'm sure if they were of the opinion the headline lies and innuendo were at all defensible they might have advised the proprietors to "go for it, Rupert et al". Rather a pity they knew they hadn't a leg to stand on because the Madeleine fund would have benefited with damages beyond belief.
The settlement was agreed out of court for the simple reason it was clear that downright lies had been told, had the proprietors proceeded in that knowledge damages would have been punitive.
It really is very simple to understand.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on December 27, 2014, 06:27:30 PM
Hmmm ... I was under the impression Dr Amaral's 'damning “evidence-based” documentary' had already covered all the myths concerning Madeleine's disappearance.
This should be well worth waiting for ... I haven't had a good belly laugh since the coffin invasion thingy.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 27, 2014, 06:39:26 PM
Hmmm ... I was under the impression Dr Amaral's 'damning “evidence-based” documentary' had already covered all the myths concerning Madeleine's disappearance.
This should be well worth waiting for ... I haven't had a good belly laugh since the coffin invasion thingy.
I can't quite get my head around what this video's main aim is - to expose all the supposed abduction myths or an attempt to humiliate one of the McCann supporters in revenge for Brenda's public humiliation. Perhaps Sonia is attempting to kill two birds with one stone, so to speak?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 27, 2014, 07:00:35 PM
Should be an interesting documentary, when all is revealed after the inquest. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: xtina on December 27, 2014, 07:02:26 PM
Sonia poulton knows no more about this case than most of the posters on here...and probably a lot less than some. She will simply rehash what is on jill haverns forum..I think a lot of people will be very disappointed.
Damning new Madeleine documentary promised for 2015
A damning new “evidence-based” documentary is being prepared for screening in 2015 and promises to tell the “Untold Story of Madeleine McCann” - alleging that “no abduction took place at all”. Orchestrated by independent journalist and social activist Sonia Poulton, the project got underway following the death of 63-year-old grandmother Brenda Leyland - the so-called internet “troll” “outed” over tweets that questioned the official version of events “as put forward by mainstream media”. According to Poulton, Leyland wrote in a tweet last year that “should she die in odd circumstances” she hoped “people would question, and not just accept the first version of events”. This is what Poulton claims has spurred her on. In a Christmas message posted on Youtube, the former broadcaster with Internet TV station The People’s Voice reveals her documentary should be ready by the end of March. Poulton claims her investigation has already flagged up “plenty of evidence to suggest there was not an abduction”. Her focus, she explains, has been on “interviews with “central characters” in the disappearance. “As you can imagine, these have not exactly been forthcoming”, she adds. Thus, the decision to “door-step” those she believes have “questions to answer”. This far Poulton claims to have door-stepped four key characters in the mystery, and she says her investigation has also “traced someone involved in the campaign” to maintain the official version of events, whose identity will “shock people”. Poulton’s Christmas message to all those “fighting for justice” who have become “online detectives” over the last seven years is simply that they remain strong. “We all need to be heard now”, she concludes. “The fact is that the media is systematically failing to represent what is being said online with regard to Madeleine McCann”. As the Metropolitan Police investigation moves into 2015 - having already cost the British taxpayer over £10 million - and a Portuguese inquiry is also ongoing, Poulton reveals that she has been in touch with Scotland Yard to say she would be “more than happy” to be interviewed over her contention that many aspects of the abduction theory “do not add up”. She claims “even a cursory glance” at the factual information available would show this, but that “heavy censorship” means that very few people are aware unless they delve into the police files. “We will not be silenced any more”, Poulton said in an earlier clip, also posted on Youtube, shortly after Brenda Leyland’s death in October. “We are no longer prepared to be ignored, or silenced or demonised just because we say that that official version of events needs to be questioned”. As Poulton’s investigation continues, it is uncertain where the final documentary will be broadcast. Her move from The People’s Voice in January was not without controversy, and she has since been described on the alternative online blog The Needle as not so much a journalist but “just a woman with an opinion on everything”.
Tags: madeleine portugal news Categories: Top Stories - See more at: http://portugalresident.com/damning-new-madeleine-documentary-promised-for-2015#sthash.eSM2kefC.dpuf
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on December 27, 2014, 07:12:17 PM
What I don't understand is how you can humiliate someone by making public the fact that they support the McCanns and have taken action against them being 'trolled'.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 27, 2014, 07:31:51 PM
What I don't understand is how you can humiliate someone by making public the fact that they support the McCanns and have taken action against them being 'trolled'.
You can't. So why is Sonia making such a big deal about "revealing all" in her video?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 27, 2014, 07:33:56 PM
The arrogance of the woman to think that Scotland Yard would be even remotely interested in interviewing HER about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann!
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 27, 2014, 07:42:30 PM
The arrogance of the woman to think that Scotland Yard would be even remotely interested in interviewing HER about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann!
One could also say the arrogance of SY, thinking only they could solve the crime, and of course let's never forget how much taxpayers money they have wasted getting nowhere, whilst police services are being reduced because of the cuts.
and then of course we have Sadie, who has been passing files to the police, or have you conveniently forgot that 'Alfred'. ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on December 27, 2014, 08:25:18 PM
One could also say the arrogance of SY, thinking only they could solve the crime, and of course let's never forget how much taxpayers money they have wasted getting nowhere, whilst police services are being reduced because of the cuts.
and then of course we have Sadie, who has been passing files to the police, or have you conveniently forgot that 'Alfred'. ?
What exactly are you saying Stephen?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 27, 2014, 08:31:15 PM
Stephen is employing his usual diversonary strawman tactics, that's all.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on December 27, 2014, 09:28:20 PM
Don't you just love it how the faithful spend pages and pages on their forums telling us how unimportant Sonia Poulton and her forthcoming documentary is. @)(++(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: sadie on December 27, 2014, 09:31:35 PM
Don't you just love it how the faithful spend pages and pages on their forums telling us how unimportant Sonia Poulton and her forthcoming documentary is. @)(++(*
LOL. Is she very important then, in your view? Will her "documentary" threaten the new world order?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: sadie on December 27, 2014, 09:40:17 PM
Don't you just love it how the faithful spend pages and pages on their forums telling us how unimportant Sonia Poulton and her forthcoming documentary is. @)(++(*
I dont know Sonia Poultn, but is she yet another propaganda machine? .... Am I right ?
And Yep, propaganda machines are important because they adversely influence Justice with disinformation.
They change the evidence and silly people believe them.
Look at Pat Brown.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: slartibartfast on December 27, 2014, 09:44:32 PM
it is my understanding that the Government put Clarence Mitchell in place.
Oh don't be coy sadie. You know that Clarence Mitchell gave up his position within the government's media monitoring unit to work for the McCanns on a private basis.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 27, 2014, 10:19:44 PM
Don't you just love it how the faithful spend pages and pages on their forums telling us how unimportant Sonia Poulton and her forthcoming documentary is. @)(++(*
and the unfaithful spend ages on their forums telling us how important Sonia is...what's your point
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on December 27, 2014, 10:24:30 PM
My point is davel if SP is quite so unimportant why the need to discuss her at such length ?
What else is there to talk about? In any case wasn't it you who first posted the "important" news of this video on the forum? What else are we to do? Ignore it, or treat this information with solemn reverence? Of course we're going to mock and sneer - Sonia is quite a ridiculous woman, and I've no doubt her video will be too @)(++(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 27, 2014, 10:30:30 PM
What else is there to talk about? In any case wasn't it you who first posted the "important" news of this video on the forum? What else are we to do? Ignore it, or treat this information with solemn reverence? Of course we're going to mock and sneer - Sonia is quite a ridiculous woman, and I've no doubt her video will be too @)(++(*
absolutely spot on
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: sadie on December 27, 2014, 10:35:17 PM
Oh don't be coy sadie. You know that Clarence Mitchell gave up his position within the government's media monitoring unit to work for the McCanns on a private basis.
Nothing coy about me Faith. I thought thta you might have noticed *&*%£
Yes that is true but after having experienced the massive help that he was, it was a natural progression to employ him ... dontcha think ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on December 27, 2014, 10:37:49 PM
Oh don't be coy sadie. You know that Clarence Mitchell gave up his position within the government's media monitoring unit to work for the McCanns on a private basis.
IIRC CM was originally involved to deal with the massive media presence - something which the McCanns would have had no experience whatsoever of dealing with themselves and would be in no fit state to anyway imo. If that was the 'government's' idea - I think it was a good one. The fact that he carried on being their spokesman was obviously because he was needed in that department imo. Why anyone would want to criticise that is a mystery to me. I see nothing wrong with it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: sadie on December 27, 2014, 11:03:20 PM
IIRC CM was originally involved to deal with the massive media presence - something which the McCanns would have had no experience whatsoever of dealing with themselves and would be in no fit state to anyway imo. If that was the 'government's' idea - I think it was a good one. The fact that he carried on being their spokesman was obviously because he was needed in that department imo. Why anyone would want to criticise that is a mystery to me. I see nothing wrong with it.
8@??)(
As ever a brilliant and dignified response. well done Benice
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on December 27, 2014, 11:08:41 PM
I dont know Sonia Poultn, but is she yet another propaganda machine? .... Am I right ?
And Yep, propaganda machines are important because they adversely influence Justice with disinformation.
They change the evidence and silly people believe them.
Look at Pat Brown.
IMO - just like Pat Brown she is yet another media 'wannabee' IMO who has high hopes of becoming 'famous' on the back of a missing little girl. If her previous 'offerings' are anything to go by - she is going to fail just as miserably as Pat Brown did. I can't wait to see the video as it would seem her 'sources' are the same as those used by PB. That in itself guarantees absolutely that it is a train crash waiting to happen imo.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 27, 2014, 11:09:13 PM
I don't know much about her, but I know she had Birch on her first TPV show (so that tells me something).
But you never know her film might be brilliant (never say never).
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 27, 2014, 11:11:56 PM
IMO - just like Pat Brown she is yet another media 'wannabee' IMO who has high hopes of becoming 'famous' on the back of a missing little girl. If her previous 'offerings' are anything to go by - she is going to fail just as miserably as Pat Brown did. I can't wait to see the video as it would seem her 'sources' are the same as those used by PB. That in itself guarantees absolutely that it is a train crash waiting to happen imo.
If fame were the only/main thing motivating SP you'd think she'd have made a film or films years ago, but she didn't. Clearly it was October's events that inspired her to do it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 27, 2014, 11:24:29 PM
If fame were the only/main thing motivating SP you'd think she'd have made a film or films years ago, but she didn't. Clearly it was October's events that inspired her to do it.
she has seen an opportunity she can exploit....remember she worked for David Icke...that should be enough to ring alarm bells in most sensible people
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 27, 2014, 11:51:35 PM
If fame were the only/main thing motivating SP you'd think she'd have made a film or films years ago, but she didn't. Clearly it was October's events that inspired her to do it.
I think she has indeed been inspired to capitalise on Brenda Leyland's death; I think "fame" is indeed the motivating factor ... what a miserable way to go about it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2014, 12:24:06 AM
I think she has indeed been inspired to capitalise on Brenda Leyland's death; I think "fame" is indeed the motivating factor ... what a miserable way to go about it.
The anger in her October video is clearly genuine, so I wouldn't be as cynical as you are about her motivation. But anger could make the end product worse than doing nothing. We'll see.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on December 28, 2014, 12:36:24 AM
I think she has indeed been inspired to capitalise on Brenda Leyland's death; I think "fame" is indeed the motivating factor ... what a miserable way to go about it.
IMO Just like P. Brown this foolish woman doesn't want to be bothered with actually researching the case properly as a serious journalist would - but instead in her haste to make a name for herself has chosen to rely on people who still regurgitate myths, lies, gossip and misinformation as if it were 'the troof' on a regular basis.
IMO the woman has no integrity - just a desperate desire for fame - and at any price too apparently.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: John on December 28, 2014, 03:06:05 AM
Let's hope it isn't yet another boring documentary based on innuendo and speculation. I think we have had quite enough of those from both sides over the last seven years.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on December 28, 2014, 06:44:00 AM
Let's hope it isn't yet another boring documentary based on innuendo and speculation. I think we have had quite enough of those from both sides over the last seven years.
Agreed John.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 28, 2014, 08:59:25 AM
Stephen is employing his usual diversonary strawman tactics, that's all.
'strawman tactics' ???
Merely pointing out the hypocrisy of people criticizing a journalist, who is making an expose on this case, including it would seem 'mccann backers', whilst one poster on here is passing 'information' to the UK police.
I look forward to the documentary, whilst others it seems , fear it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2014, 09:07:25 AM
Let's hope it isn't yet another boring documentary based on innuendo and speculation. I think we have had quite enough of those from both sides over the last seven years.
it has to be....she will have no new worthwhile information...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 28, 2014, 09:07:54 AM
There is no new information...everything about this case is already known and all over the net
As well as claiming this film is about "Justice 4 Maddie", Sonia also seems intent on using it to get retribution for Brenda. Isn't that really what this film is all about?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on December 28, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
As well as claiming this film is about "Justice 4 Maddie", Sonia also seems intent on using it to get retribution for Brenda. Isn't that really what this film is all about?
Is it ? I suppose we will just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2014, 09:35:34 AM
Is it ? I suppose we will just have to wait and see.
Well Brenda's death certainly seems to have been the motivation behind the video, plus she promises to doorstep various individuals and reveal the real names of anonymous McCann supporters, so what do you think?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on December 28, 2014, 10:00:14 AM
I have no idea - I know nothing about her, nor particularly do I want to. I wait to see what she has to say, but in the meantime, no doubt I shall have to endure months of increasingly vitriolic criticisms of her and her work.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2014, 10:02:33 AM
I have no idea - I know nothing about her, nor particularly do I want to. I wait to see what she has to say, but in the meantime, no doubt I shall have to endure months of increasingly vitriolic criticisms of her and her work.
We have had to endure 7 years of vitriolic attacks against the mccannns....many from Brenda herself...so there you are
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 28, 2014, 10:03:12 AM
After Leyland's treatment, some might say that certain people will get a taste of their own medicine.
its called hypocrisy...criticise Brunt then doorstep others...perhaps hypocrisy is the wrong word...stupidity might be better. By doorstepping others she legitimises Brunt's actions....that's fine by me
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 28, 2014, 10:33:07 AM
its called hypocrisy...criticise Brunt then doorstep others...perhaps hypocrisy is the wrong word...stupidity might be better. By doorstepping others she legitimises Brunt's actions....that's fine by me
I merely reversed what had happened Brenda Leyland.
How would the dossier compilers like a taste of their own medicine ?
I remember when bennett challenged jayelles to an open 'debate' and was refused.
It would seem that certain parties are happy to expose other peoples I.D.'s. but prefer the cloak of anonymity themselves.
Now that dave is the real hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2014, 10:35:27 AM
I merely reversed what had happened Brenda Leyland.
How would the dossier compilers like a taste of their own medicine ?
I remember when bennett challenged jayelles to an open 'debate' and was refused.
It would seem that certain parties are happy to expose other peoples I.D.'s. but prefer the cloak of anonymity themselves.
Now that dave is the real hypocrisy.
anything that is legal is acceptable
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 28, 2014, 10:39:53 AM
So if you were door stepped by her, is that perfectly acceptable and legal as well ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on December 28, 2014, 01:35:30 PM
A recent tweet from SP.
"Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton 43 minutes ago - I'm getting some serious support. Since I released that video I have been contacted by number of MSM people."
I await the howls of derision.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2014, 01:58:44 PM
"Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton 43 minutes ago - I'm getting some serious support. Since I released that video I have been contacted by number of MSM people."
I await the howls of derision.
I expect lots of journos are following everything she says Faith because she already tweeted she wants to get it into a court. Journos love drama.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2014, 02:01:49 PM
But is it genuine or is it pantomime? &%+((£
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on December 28, 2014, 02:15:56 PM
I expect lots of journos are following everything she says Faith because she already tweeted she wants to get it into a court. Journos love drama.
I expect so Lyall though if the churnalists are following her intently I'm sure CR are following her progress more closely still.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on December 28, 2014, 02:20:09 PM
I'm assuming she works freelance, so is likely to be very careful about what she says. The question is whether she will be intimidated by the likes of CR
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on December 28, 2014, 02:46:15 PM
The anger in her October video is clearly genuine, so I wouldn't be as cynical as you are about her motivation. But anger could make the end product worse than doing nothing. We'll see.
If her anger was genuinely felt I think it it could lead to be an extreme example of an unprofessional product and as you say, could be worse than doing nothing.
Anyway, what moral compass is she exhibiting when she uses the death of a woman who was 'doorstepped' while announcing proudly that she uses the 'doorstepping' tactic herself.
She alleges anger because the woman was in her opinion 'outed' but cannot see the hypocrisy of herself 'outing' someone else imo to enable attacks by trolls, what other possible reason could she have? If that person is later found dead ... will she feel a responsibility?
Her proudly proclaimed attitude probably gives me an excuse for cynicism.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on December 28, 2014, 02:53:03 PM
Those who live by the sword.......!!!
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2014, 03:19:16 PM
If her anger was genuinely felt I think it it could lead to be an extreme example of an unprofessional product and as you say, could be worse than doing nothing.
Anyway, what moral compass is she exhibiting when she uses the death of a woman who was 'doorstepped' while announcing proudly that she uses the 'doorstepping' tactic herself.
She alleges anger because the woman was in her opinion 'outed' but cannot see the hypocrisy of herself 'outing' someone else imo to enable attacks by trolls, what other possible reason could she have? If that person is later found dead ... will she feel a responsibility?
Her proudly proclaimed attitude probably gives me an excuse for cynicism.
I think her anger is genuine, but the logic of what she thinks should be done is very muddled. But it's not just Sonia's train of thought - everyone she talks to on social media thinks the same.
There's a contradiction: every day it's proclaimed that mainstream media no longer is very important, but Sonia declares that she's out to challenge mainstream media 'censorship'. If it's no longer that important, who cares if lawyers block criticism of Operation Grange or discussion of other subjects?
Everyone knows what we think; it's all there on the search engines (there's a mass of information, but most of it muddled). I'm not sure what SP hopes to achieve.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on December 28, 2014, 04:27:37 PM
I think her anger is genuine, but the logic of what she thinks should be done is very muddled. But it's not just Sonia's train of thought - everyone she talks to on social media thinks the same.
There's a contradiction: every day it's proclaimed that mainstream media no longer is very important, but Sonia declares that she's out to challenge mainstream media 'censorship'. If it's no longer that important, who cares if lawyers block criticism of Operation Grange or discussion of other subjects?
Everyone knows what we think; it's all there on the search engines (there's a mass of information, but most of it muddled). I'm not sure what SP hopes to achieve.
TBH Lyall nothing any of us say either here or on any other social media platform will make any difference to the ultimate outcome of this case. In large enough numbers we may be able to sway public opinion one way or another but what we can't do is sway the law enforcement agencies that are investigating this case to whatever side of the fence we sit on. If the evidence is there they will get a conviction. If not the speculation will continue. It really is as plain, and as boring, as that.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on December 28, 2014, 04:56:01 PM
I'm assuming she works freelance, so is likely to be very careful about what she says. The question is whether she will be intimidated by the likes of CR
In what way? If she stays within the law - 'the likes of CR' will have no reason to have any interest in her.
It's completely in her own hands.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: slartibartfast on December 28, 2014, 05:06:46 PM
no it isn't...anything she says will be governed by the laws of libel...she cannot make accusations that are not true and are not supported by evidence..
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on December 28, 2014, 05:26:00 PM
no it isn't...anything she says will be governed by the laws of libel...she cannot make accusations that are not true and are not supported by evidence..
Let's see what she has in store. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2014, 05:47:47 PM
its called hypocrisy...criticise Brunt then doorstep others...perhaps hypocrisy is the wrong word...stupidity might be better. By doorstepping others she legitimises Brunt's actions....that's fine by me
Exactly.
Also - In her video SP makes a point of mentioning 'trolls' who in her words have 'absolutely savaged' her on line. It's noticeable that - despite initially shrugging it off with the... 'I'm quite used to it'...... remark' - she then completely contradicts that by revealing that because of it - she has actually gone to the trouble of identifying these people who have been saying such 'awful, smeary things about her and her loved ones' and is going to expose them because IHO 'they need to be revealed' ! One can only assume she believes that's OK because she is so incensed by the perceived injustice of their online behaviour towards HER.
However - If she is so upset by nasty remarks posted against herself - then how can she possibly defend the online bile and spite posted against the McCanns ( by Brenda Leyland amongst others ) - which has been going on on a daily basis for years? Why does she think other people should not be incensed in the same way she obviously is?
Apparently she is also outraged by the doorstepping of BL - but sees nothing wrong in doing exactly the same thing herself - only more so.
IMO she needs to make her mind up - because at the moment she appears to be trying to 'hunt with the hounds AND run with the hare'. And that is always a recipe for disaster imo.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2014, 06:00:16 PM
Sonia Poulton of PVTV fame...this is what one person had to say about her presentation of the Hollie Greig case....
It only remains for me to point out that anyone being interviewed by this crazy TV station, which purports to be telling the truth to the people - but clearly is not - is risking their own reputation
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on December 28, 2014, 06:01:53 PM
There are different ways of presenting a story. I'm sure two skillful writers could take the same basic information and portray it in completely different ways without crossing the libel line.
We regularly see this in action in the red top media
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 28, 2014, 06:16:21 PM
Sonia Poulton of PVTV fame...this is what one person had to say about her presentation of the Hollie Greig case....
It only remains for me to point out that anyone being interviewed by this crazy TV station, which purports to be telling the truth to the people - but clearly is not - is risking their own reputation
Yet you accept the McCann's have told the truth without knowing the actual cause of Madeleine's disappearance...........
So how do you know they have told the truth ?
Is it as many suspect, sheer blind faith ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2014, 06:19:26 PM
There are different ways of presenting a story. I'm sure two skillful writers could take the same basic information and portray it in completely different ways without crossing the libel line.
We regularly see this in action in the red top media
And the consquences of when red-top media journos have dodgy sources, an overactive imagination and have to file something - anything - to keep a revenue stream.
What's this "documentary" supposed to be about?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2014, 06:34:15 PM
I can but resisted going off topic...evidence beyond any doubt would be proof...there is very rarely evidence beyond any doubt in any case....lets look at cipriano if you insist on going off topic...the evidence against her is certainly NOT beyond any doubt as one of the judges did not agree with the verdict...when I use the word evidence... I mean just that...evidence... Don't get confused and think I mean proof
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: slartibartfast on December 28, 2014, 06:35:17 PM
Why is it naieve? What can CR - or anyone else do to 'intimidate' her if she doesn't break the law?
IMO Large Libel Lawyers can stop the publication of many statements which have not been tested in a court of law just by suggesting that they may be iffy and they have been instructed to represent someone. Money has a major impact on peoples decision to continue.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2014, 06:37:53 PM
IMO Large Libel Lawyers can stop the publication of many statements which have not been tested in a court of law just by suggesting that they may be iffy and they have been instructed to represent someone. Money has a major impact on peoples decision to continue.
most of us can see very clearly if something is libellous...SP can publish anything she wants on you tube and the lawyers will not be able to stop her...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 28, 2014, 06:43:12 PM
I can but resisted going off topic...evidence beyond any doubt would be proof...there is very rarely evidence beyond any doubt in any case....lets look at cipriano if you insist on going off topic...the evidence against her is certainly NOT beyond any doubt as one of the judges did not agree with the verdict...when I use the word evidence... I mean just that...evidence... Don't get confused and think I mean proof
I'm not confused.
So all you have to show is some evidence, quantitative or otherwise to show abduction.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2014, 06:47:31 PM
And the consquences of when red-top media journos have dodgy sources, an overactive imagination and have to file something - anything - to keep a revenue stream.
What's this "documentary" supposed to be about?
Red tops haven't gone astray very much from a legal viewpoint, though they regularly print the biggest amount of tosh. Presumably this doesn't offend the McCanns.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2014, 06:55:28 PM
Red tops haven't gone astray very much from a legal viewpoint, though they regularly print the biggest amount of tosh. Presumably this doesn't offend the McCanns.
as long as they don't commit libel
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 28, 2014, 07:02:30 PM
Also - In her video SP makes a point of mentioning 'trolls' who in her words have 'absolutely savaged' her on line. It's noticeable that - despite initially shrugging it off with the... 'I'm quite used to it'...... remark' - she then completely contradicts that by revealing that because of it - she has actually gone to the trouble of identifying these people who have been saying such 'awful, smeary things about her and her loved ones' and is going to expose them because IHO 'they need to be revealed' ! One can only assume she believes that's OK because she is so incensed by the perceived injustice of their online behaviour towards HER.
However - If she is so upset by nasty remarks posted against herself - then how can she possibly defend the online bile and spite posted against the McCanns ( by Brenda Leyland amongst others ) - which has been going on on a daily basis for years? Why does she think other people should not be incensed in the same way she obviously is?
Apparently she is also outraged by the doorstepping of BL - but sees nothing wrong in doing exactly the same thing herself - only more so.
IMO she needs to make her mind up - because at the moment she appears to be trying to 'hunt with the hounds AND run with the hare'. And that is always a recipe for disaster imo.
Interesting that no one has commented on this. You are of course absolutely right.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 29, 2014, 07:48:26 AM
I wonder if the compilers of the dossier and other certain members of a cadbury's chocolate bar are the ones attacking her.
and if she has identified them, well I'm sure they will enjoy a taste of their own medicine, won't they alfred ?
It seems the faithful don't understand the difference between being vilified on a worldwide TV channel while simultaneously being falsely told you are under investigation for a criminal offence and your identity being revealed in a video by a journalist that no doubt will only be watched by those interested in the case.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 29, 2014, 08:43:00 AM
It seems the faithful don't understand the difference between being vilified on a worldwide TV channel while simultaneously being falsely told you are under investigation for a criminal offence and your identity being revealed in a video by a journalist that no doubt will only be watched by those interested in the case.
Precisely Faithlilly.
The video is unlikely to get a wide audience due to 'restrictions', unless of course it contains some devastating revelations , and it could then go viral on the internet, all too easily.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Jazzy on December 29, 2014, 09:14:19 AM
It seems the faithful don't understand the difference between being vilified on a worldwide TV channel while simultaneously being falsely told you are under investigation for a criminal offence and your identity being revealed in a video by a journalist that no doubt will only be watched by those interested in the case.
How many of those Poulton is threatening to expose have contacted her publicaly and asked her to do so?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on December 29, 2014, 09:26:34 AM
It seems the faithful don't understand the difference between being vilified on a worldwide TV channel while simultaneously being falsely told you are under investigation for a criminal offence and your identity being revealed in a video by a journalist that no doubt will only be watched by those interested in the case.
It seems the Unfaithful don't recognise a blatant and shameless hypocrite when it's wagging a pointy finger in their faces.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 29, 2014, 09:55:55 AM
Is Sonia's ambition for her video that only a few hundred people will see it, or does she hope it will be viewed hundreds of thousands if not millions of times? What exactly is the scale of her ambition here? Why was she excitedly tweeting about interest in her video from several MSM journos only yesterday if she doesn't hope for as large an audience as possible?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on December 29, 2014, 09:57:59 AM
Is Sonia's ambition for her video that only a few hundred people will see it, or does she hope it will be viewed hundreds of thousands if not millions of times? What exactly is the scale of her ambition here? Why was she excitedly tweeting about interest in her video from several MSM journos only yesterday if she doesn't hope for as large an audience as possible?
Surely the latter. Maximum exposure is obviously far better than just a handful of hits.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 29, 2014, 09:58:25 AM
Is Sonia's ambition for her video that only a few hundred people will see it, or does she hope it will be viewed hundreds of thousands if not millions of times? What exactly is the scale of her ambition here? Why was she excitedly tweeting about interest in her video from several MSM journos only yesterday if she doesn't hope for as large an audience as possible?
So Sonia is looking to support from MSM....She seems to be getting more than a little muddled
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 29, 2014, 10:07:32 AM
Presumably she didn't give Brunt her on line identity, so someone 'outed' her against her will.
She tweeted to Brunt, so he was obviously aware of her online identity. If you mean her real name, she "outed" herself. Her Twitter account was originally "Brenda Leyland @sweepyface", for example.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carana on December 29, 2014, 10:40:14 AM
I still don't understand what this "documentary" is supposed to be about.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on December 29, 2014, 10:48:52 AM
Nor do I, but its amusing to watch some of the knee-jerk reactions.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on December 29, 2014, 11:12:05 AM
Nor do I, but its amusing to watch some of the knee-jerk reactions.
Meanwhile, it diverts attention from another issue: what action, if any, is LP taking into the contents of the dossier? The threats, the stalking, the abusive photoshopped images, the unfounded allegations, the continued spreading of long-discounted myths, plus the hounding of anyone even vaguely associated with the family, and the concern that all it would take is one nutcase to actually take action - which was stated as being the motivation behind submitting the dossier in the first place...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on December 29, 2014, 11:23:53 AM
Nor do I, but its amusing to watch some of the knee-jerk reactions.
Indeed jassi.
I was actually blocked on Twitter by her myself so know how one sided her arguments can be but I must admit it is hilarious watching the faithful demonstrating how unimportant she is in thread after thread after thread............!! @)(++(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on December 29, 2014, 11:25:02 AM
I don't suppose that LP would be able to take anything in the dossier at face value, but would need to carry out their own investigation before taking any serious action. This will take some time. particularly as they probably have rather more pressing things to concern them.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: xtina on December 29, 2014, 11:27:12 AM
Is Sonia's ambition for her video that only a few hundred people will see it, or does she hope it will be viewed hundreds of thousands if not millions of times? What exactly is the scale of her ambition here? Why was she excitedly tweeting about interest in her video from several MSM journos only yesterday if she doesn't hope for as large an audience as possible?
Well think about it.......... her timing is the thing that could make this for her.
After March.
After March the damages trial will be over. Common sense (but not yet modern-day justice - think Pistorios, Dewani - so caution remains) says Goncalo should walk it. Brenda's inquest will be over. Sonia was one of the few actually present in the preliminary hearing who heard the full dialogue of events and isn't victim to the media-sanitised version the rest of us had to make do with. Her impression of the direction of the wind was in direct contrast with the inferences the media decided to portray, it appeared.
Perhaps she knows that after March the media will have no choice but to be involved. They may have to start reporting on this case in ways we haven't seen since 2007.
And, after March, we are a few weeks from the General Election. How will what is revealed by the verdicts of the two trials reflect on the government figures of that day?
She may be playing........ a blinder here.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carana on December 29, 2014, 12:21:37 PM
Well think about it.......... her timing is the thing that could make this for her.
After March.
After March the damages trial will be over. Common sense (but not yet modern-day justice - think Pistorios, Dewani - so caution remains) says Goncalo should walk it. Brenda's inquest will be over. Sonia was one of the few actually present in the preliminary hearing who heard the full dialogue of events and isn't victim to the media-sanitised version the rest of us had to make do with. Her impression of the direction of the wind was in direct contrast with the inferences the media decided to portray, it appeared.
Perhaps she knows that after March the media will have no choice but to be involved. They may have to start reporting on this case in ways we haven't seen since 2007.
And, after March, we are a few weeks from the General Election. How will what is revealed by the verdicts of the two trials reflect on the government figures of that day?
She may be playing........ a blinder here.
Her timing could make what for her?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 29, 2014, 12:36:28 PM
Well think about it.......... her timing is the thing that could make this for her.
After March.
After March the damages trial will be over. Common sense (but not yet modern-day justice - think Pistorios, Dewani - so caution remains) says Goncalo should walk it. Brenda's inquest will be over. Sonia was one of the few actually present in the preliminary hearing who heard the full dialogue of events and isn't victim to the media-sanitised version the rest of us had to make do with. Her impression of the direction of the wind was in direct contrast with the inferences the media decided to portray, it appeared.
Perhaps she knows that after March the media will have no choice but to be involved. They may have to start reporting on this case in ways we haven't seen since 2007.
And, after March, we are a few weeks from the General Election. How will what is revealed by the verdicts of the two trials reflect on the government figures of that day?
She may be playing........ a blinder here.
@)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 29, 2014, 07:14:02 PM
If I were a "sceptic" one question that would be uppermost in my mind is why no independent, credible, award-winning journalist anywhere in the world has examined all the files and the evidence and written an in-depth analysis of all the supposed lies and contradictions and how the abduction so obviously didn't happen. Surely if you "sceptics" are right then this subject is ripe for a serious expose - surely the McCanns steely grip on the MSM doesn't extend as far as Portugal, or America or Italy or Australia....? Why have only Sonia Poulton and a handful of others like Bennett and Brown stepped up to the mark, I'd be wondering... &%+((£
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 29, 2014, 07:18:42 PM
If I were a "sceptic" one question that would be uppermost in my mind is why no independent, credible, award-winning journalist anywhere in the world has examined all the files and the evidence and written an in-depth analysis of all the supposed lies and contradictions and how the abduction so obviously didn't happen. Surely if you "sceptics" are right then this subject is ripe for a serious expose - surely the McCanns steely grip on the MSM doesn't extend as far as Portugal, or America or Italy or Australia....? Why have only Sonia Poulton and a handful of others like Bennett and Brown stepped up to the mark, I'd be wondering... &%+((£
Can you name one award winning journalist whose brilliant work has solved the crime ?
Unfortunately summers and swan's book of McCann worship doesn't count. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
P.S. They didn't examine all the files.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on December 29, 2014, 07:30:53 PM
Davel has read all the files, (so he claims), so perhaps he has the definitive answer to who dunnit.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 29, 2014, 07:33:50 PM
If I were a "sceptic" one question that would be uppermost in my mind is why no independent, credible, award-winning journalist anywhere in the world has examined all the files and the evidence and written an in-depth analysis of all the supposed lies and contradictions and how the abduction so obviously didn't happen. Surely if you "sceptics" are right then this subject is ripe for a serious expose - surely the McCanns steely grip on the MSM doesn't extend as far as Portugal, or America or Italy or Australia....? Why have only Sonia Poulton and a handful of others like Bennett and Brown stepped up to the mark, I'd be wondering... &%+((£
Why would it be uppermost in your mind were you a sceptic? How many credible award winning writer's have written books on the topic? vs how many nutters have written books on the topic? What writers choose and choose not to write about is hardly relevant to this case surely? I certainly don't envisage any author, award winning, credible or otherwise coming up with the "Excalibur moment" that the fuzz stand in awe of do you? We have done this before; professional authors journalists whatever you wish to call them do it for the money or the potential of the money. Whether you like it or not or find it distasteful or not the name McCann coupled with a 7 year old photo of Madeleine sells copy.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 29, 2014, 07:56:16 PM
Why would it be uppermost in your mind were you a sceptic? How many credible award winning writer's have written books on the topic? vs how many nutters have written books on the topic? What writers choose and choose not to write about is hardly relevant to this case surely? I certainly don't envisage any author, award winning, credible or otherwise coming up with the "Excalibur moment" that the fuzz stand in awe of do you? We have done this before; professional authors journalists whatever you wish to call them do it for the money or the potential of the money. Whether you like it or not or find it distasteful or not the name McCann coupled with a 7 year old photo of Madeleine sells copy.
and that's exactly why SP is doing it...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on December 29, 2014, 08:01:17 PM
Why would it be uppermost in your mind were you a sceptic? How many credible award winning writer's have written books on the topic? vs how many nutters have written books on the topic? What writers choose and choose not to write about is hardly relevant to this case surely? I certainly don't envisage any author, award winning, credible or otherwise coming up with the "Excalibur moment" that the fuzz stand in awe of do you? We have done this before; professional authors journalists whatever you wish to call them do it for the money or the potential of the money. Whether you like it or not or find it distasteful or not the name McCann coupled with a 7 year old photo of Madeleine sells copy.
Imagine the money you could make by putting forward damning evidence that the parents dunnit though - many sceptics believe that there IS damning evidence remember! As a hypothetical "sceptic" It would perplex me that no investigative journo with impressive credentials would seem interested in reporting on the "scam of the century", only those who fancy themselves as investigative journos with impressive credentials... &%+((£
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2014, 08:55:17 PM
Imagine the money you could make by putting forward damning evidence that the parents dunnit though - many sceptics believe that there IS damning evidence remember! As a hypothetical "sceptic" It would perplex me that no investigative journo with impressive credentials would seem interested in reporting on the "scam of the century", only those who fancy themselves as investigative journos with impressive credentials... &%+((£
Perplexes me too. In 2007 I did expect there to be lots, though I didn't expect them to be published in the UK obviously.
The majority of the police files being in Portuguese is one obvious problem.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2014, 09:38:44 PM
But the Danny Collins book is still being sold so it's clearly not impossible even in the UK.
(if you're careful)
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 29, 2014, 10:14:32 PM
Meanwhile, it diverts attention from another issue: what action, if any, is LP taking into the contents of the dossier? The threats, the stalking, the abusive photoshopped images, the unfounded allegations, the continued spreading of long-discounted myths, plus the hounding of anyone even vaguely associated with the family, and the concern that all it would take is one nutcase to actually take action - which was stated as being the motivation behind submitting the dossier in the first place...
Sonia Poulton doesn't seem to be concerned too much with the effects of trolling given her intention to 'unmask' the person who presented the dossier to the authorities. What does she think the unfaithful will do with that information?
I think it is worth remembering; the person who handed in the dossier was reporting criminal activities and providing evidence to back up the complaint.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 29, 2014, 10:44:07 PM
Sonia Poulton doesn't seem to be concerned too much with the effects of trolling given her intention to 'unmask' the person who presented the dossier to the authorities. What does she think the unfaithful will do with that information?
I think it is worth remembering; the person who handed in the dossier was reporting criminal activities and providing evidence to back up the complaint.
Reporting criminal activity yet no one has faced any criminal charges ( confused face ).
If I was the lady with the chunky legs and a preference for cheap jewellery I don't think I'd be getting much sleep at the moment.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2014, 11:14:38 PM
Reporting criminal activity yet no one has faced any criminal charges ( confused face ).
If I was the lady with the chunky legs and a preference for cheap jewellery I don't think I'd be getting much sleep at the moment.
Why would you think that? The lady in question merely said what many people think - i.e. that one day some nutter will actually act on what they have been led to believe is true by people like Brenda Leyland - and harm one or more of the McCann family.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Jean-Pierre on December 30, 2014, 07:25:40 AM
Why on earth not? Could someone please explain why she should be fearful?
Because big, bad Sonia's coming to get her presumably. It seems veiled threats against this woman (whoever she is) are quite acceptable amongst the "sceptics". Lilke I said before, this video is all about retribution for Brenda.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2014, 08:29:20 AM
It does seem no matter what their bluster is of the mccann backers on here and elsewhere, some are very worried about the SP Video.
Perhaps it's called getting a taste of your own medicine and especially for the'anonymous' dossier compilers.
%£&)**# %£&)**# %£&)**#
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Jean-Pierre on December 30, 2014, 08:29:34 AM
Because big, bad Sonia's coming to get her presumably. It seems veiled threats against this woman (whoever she is) are quite acceptable amongst the "sceptics". Lilke I said before, this video is all about retribution for Brenda.
Have I got this right? She is going to be outed and reported to the police for compiling a dossier that she, er, handed into the police?
Seriously?
8)-)))
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2014, 08:37:51 AM
Because big, bad Sonia's coming to get her presumably. It seems veiled threats against this woman (whoever she is) are quite acceptable amongst the "sceptics". Lilke I said before, this video is all about retribution for Brenda.
If this anonymous person who handed over the dossier is door stepped by Sonia................Will she(Sonia)be criticised, in the same way as Martin Brunt has been, for doing the same? &%+((£
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2014, 09:23:14 AM
It could be, depending upon the circumstances. A false & malicious claim could be considered as wasting police time.
So if these people had not made any abusive tweets then then there may be a case. We know Brenda Leyland was making 50 plus posts a day...some of the abusive...it seems reasonable to report this to the police
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 30, 2014, 11:12:26 AM
Sonia Poulton doesn't seem to be concerned too much with the effects of trolling given her intention to 'unmask' the person who presented the dossier to the authorities. What does she think the unfaithful will do with that information?
I think it is worth remembering; the person who handed in the dossier was reporting criminal activities and providing evidence to back up the complaint.
One can only ever speak for oneself but were it I the name Felicity Arkwright comes to mind. But then there may be those who choose look upon it in the light of "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest". Then of course (a barrel of ifs coming up here). If who ever handed over the dossier is known and if the coroner believes it relevant to make that person's name known in her report then poor old Sonia Poulton will have been beaten to the draw. Then if that happens will the faithful believe that the coroner has been unreasonable in publishing the persons name? Plenty to go out there folks. Grab a line 8(>((
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2014, 11:23:30 AM
One can only ever speak for oneself but were it I the name Felicity Arkwright comes to mind. But then there may be those who choose look upon it in the light of "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest". Then of course (a barrel of ifs coming up here). If who ever handed over the dossier is known and if the coroner believes it relevant to make that person's name known in her report then poor old Sonia Poulton will have been beaten to the draw. Then if that happens will the faithful believe that the coroner has been unreasonable in publishing the persons name? Plenty to go out there folks. Grab a line 8(>((
I would say outside these forums there is zero interest in the dossier and zero interest in the author of the dossier...what importance is there in knowing who the author is....
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 30, 2014, 11:37:49 AM
I would say outside these forums there is zero interest in the dossier and zero interest in the author of the dossier...what importance is there in knowing who the author is....
You are probably right. On a scale of 1 to 10 in importance it is not off the bump stop. None to me. But then I am not slagging off Sonia Poulton like it's going out of fashion (or making out she is the second coming of The Messiah just to keep a balance). It may be relevant to the coroner; who knows?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on December 30, 2014, 12:01:41 PM
Please, try and stay on the Topic of this thread. Thank you.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on December 30, 2014, 12:35:44 PM
One can only ever speak for oneself but were it I the name Felicity Arkwright comes to mind. But then there may be those who choose look upon it in the light of "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest". Then of course (a barrel of ifs coming up here). If who ever handed over the dossier is known and if the coroner believes it relevant to make that person's name known in her report then poor old Sonia Poulton will have been beaten to the draw. Then if that happens will the faithful believe that the coroner has been unreasonable in publishing the persons name? Plenty to go out there folks. Grab a line 8(>((
I think the unfaithful are going to be even more disappointed when the inquest reconvenes and the coroner delivers a verdict than they have been already. I doubt there will be any mention of the dossier let alone the name of the person who complained about the criminal activities recorded within.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2014, 12:46:21 PM
I think the unfaithful are going to be even more disappointed when the inquest reconvenes and the coroner delivers a verdict than they have been already. I doubt there will be any mention of the dossier let alone the name of the person who complained about the criminal activities recorded within.
Ah, here we go again, the 'unfaithful'.
I hate to disappoint you, but the vast majority of people don't worship the McCann's.
I suggest you look up in an 'urban dictionary', 'doing a McCann'.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on December 30, 2014, 01:02:20 PM
I hate to disappoint you, but the vast majority of people don't worship the McCann's.
I suggest you look up in an 'urban dictionary', 'doing a McCann'.
New Year Resolution for you ... stop derailing threads by going off topic ... it is very puerile and tiresome.
This thread concerns Sonia Poulton and her forthcoming revelations in her documentary outlining her outrage that criminal activities have been reported to the police.
I think the evident hypocrisy of the venture is apparent to all, particularly the unfaithful. As for me, I can hardly wait.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 30, 2014, 01:02:54 PM
I think the unfaithful are going to be even more disappointed when the inquest reconvenes and the coroner delivers a verdict than they have been already. I doubt there will be any mention of the dossier let alone the name of the person who complained about the criminal activities recorded within.
Well I did say "a barrel of ifs coming up". Perhaps you did not read that otherwise you would not have found it necessary to have made this post. Happy New year and all that 8(>((
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on December 30, 2014, 01:04:29 PM
Well I did say "a barrel of ifs coming up". Perhaps you did not read that otherwise you would not have found it necessary to have made this post. Happy New year and all that 8(>((
Oh, I read it. I hung on to every word.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carana on December 30, 2014, 01:13:52 PM
You are probably right. On a scale of 1 to 10 in importance it is not off the bump stop. None to me. But then I am not slagging off Sonia Poulton like it's going out of fashion (or making out she is the second coming of The Messiah just to keep a balance). It may be relevant to the coroner; who knows?
What's "it"?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2014, 01:20:54 PM
You are probably right. On a scale of 1 to 10 in importance it is not off the bump stop. None to me. But then I am not slagging off Sonia Poulton like it's going out of fashion (or making out she is the second coming of The Messiah just to keep a balance). It may be relevant to the coroner; who knows?
Highlighting poulton's jounalistic credentials is not slagging her off...it's being realistic...something that is in very short supply around here.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2014, 01:24:26 PM
Because big, bad Sonia's coming to get her presumably. It seems veiled threats against this woman (whoever she is) are quite acceptable amongst the "sceptics". Lilke I said before, this video is all about retribution for Brenda.
You miss one inconvenient truth: somehow this 'dossier' also got sent to Sky News, and they and their allies decided they wouldn't wait for police and legislation. Isn't that retribution?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2014, 02:21:29 PM
You miss one inconvenient truth: somehow this 'dossier' also got sent to Sky News, and they and their allies decided they wouldn't wait for police and legislation. Isn't that retribution?
Is it your suggestion Sky News should have hidden information they had been given by a genuinely concerned member of the public, without investigation? Smacks of censorship.
Brenda Leyland had instigated communication with Martin Brunt. He was following that through; we still have no idea what he was told at their arranged private interview later on that day.
However, I think it is about time there was a reality check among the unbelievers.
Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton · Oct 31 I believe Madeleine #McCann case will be 1st one solved with aid of social media detectives. Let's face it, the police aren't going to do it
... and with attitudes such as that ... I really can't wait to see exactly what is in this documentary, particularly if the discredited profiler from across the pond has been consulted for it. 8(0(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 30, 2014, 02:47:17 PM
You miss one inconvenient truth: somehow this 'dossier' also got sent to Sky News, and they and their allies decided they wouldn't wait for police and legislation. Isn't that retribution?
Let's say (for argument's sake) that it was. Does that make Sonia Poulton's desire for retribution OK? How do her actions differ from those of the dossier compiler(s) and Sky News? Do you not see any hint of hypocrisy in Sonia's actions? If not, why not?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: lordpookles on December 30, 2014, 02:55:13 PM
Never heard of her, so no idea what her reputation is like amongst those of you who are involved in the social media debate over the McCanns. I really don't understand WHY she wishes to make this documentary though. If I had this much time to burn playing tit for tat and was profoundly convinced of the McCanns involvement why not go out to Prai Da Luz and try and solve the case rather then getting caught up in this fray?
I value like most I assume intelligent writing and debate. From the disbelievers corner I have only found one writer on the internet that I can bear to read. I have no idea what his history is or his profession, but Dr Martin Roberts at least writes quite well and logically imo. Any opinions on him on the board? Also, can anyone recommend a good writer who is not part of the mainstream press and so not as restricted by what they can say who is a McCann believer?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 30, 2014, 02:58:28 PM
Let's say (for argument's sake) that it was. Does that make Sonia Poulton's desire for retribution OK? How do her actions differ from those of the dossier compiler(s) and Sky News? Do you not see any hint of hypocrisy in Sonia's actions? If not, why not?
Of course I do, I've not much in common with either SP or the people encouraging her.
But you should also be honest about your own hypocrisy: you know BL wasn't a ringleader (we all know who are) and you should be honest that what was done to her was humiliation not journalism. Whoever produced this 'dossier' isn't responsible for what Sky News did, but did apparently give them an excuse for doing it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 30, 2014, 03:18:53 PM
Is it your suggestion Sky News should have hidden information they had been given by a genuinely concerned member of the public, without investigation? Smacks of censorship.
I wasn't the least bit surprised that Sky News did something, and I can see why they did. But what was done was not only misdirected but also a crude use of the power at their disposal.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 30, 2014, 03:28:57 PM
Highlighting poulton's jounalistic credentials is not slagging her off...it's being realistic...something that is in very short supply around here.
A quick flip through the first six pages of this thread would indicate it went a little beyond highlighting her journalistic credentials. But then if you have the attention span of a goldfish it is I suppose easy to forget what has been written.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 30, 2014, 03:37:46 PM
Is it your suggestion Sky News should have hidden information they had been given by a genuinely concerned member of the public, without investigation? Smacks of censorship.
Brenda Leyland had instigated communication with Martin Brunt. He was following that through; we still have no idea what he was told at their arranged private interview later on that day.
However, I think it is about time there was a reality check among the unbelievers.
Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton · Oct 31 I believe Madeleine #McCann case will be 1st one solved with aid of social media detectives. Let's face it, the police aren't going to do it
... and with attitudes such as that ... I really can't wait to see exactly what is in this documentary, particularly if the discredited profiler from across the pond has been consulted for it. 8(0(*
Would you care to define the meaning of "reality check" on which you rely in this context? Would that be Golden Pond or Hatchet Pond ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 30, 2014, 03:51:13 PM
Of course I do, I've not much in common with either SP or the people encouraging her.
But you should also be honest about your own hypocrisy: you know BL wasn't a ringleader (we all know who are) and you should be honest that what was done to her was humiliation not journalism. Whoever produced this 'dossier' isn't responsible for what Sky News did, but did apparently give them an excuse for doing it.
Please clarify exactly how I have been hypocritical in your view?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 30, 2014, 04:15:12 PM
Please clarify exactly how I have been hypocritical in your view?
By only seeing what you want to see. You ought to be critical of what Sky News did.
Of course they had no way of knowing what would happen but singling out one person was still a crude action and they ought to have behaved more responsibly.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 30, 2014, 04:27:37 PM
By only seeing what you want to see. You ought to be critical of what Sky News did.
Of course they had no way of knowing what would happen but singling out one person was still a crude action and they ought to have behaved more responsibly.
Why should I comment about Sky's actions on a thread about Journalist Sonia Poulton's actions? &%+((£ But for what it's worth I think it's a shame Sky went after Leyland, and not one of the more extreme examples of twitter troll - personally though I have no problem whatsoever with the media making an example of ghastly people who get their kicks from being highly abusive to and about the bereaved and victims of crime.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on December 30, 2014, 04:34:57 PM
I wasn't the least bit surprised that Sky News did something, and I can see why they did. But what was done was not only misdirected but also a crude use of the power at their disposal.
Then how do you define Sonia Poulton's rather bizarre claim that her documentary will tell yet another untold story about Madeleine McCann ... and as an aside reveal the identities of individuals who will then most certainly be exposed to on line trolling of the worst sort?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on December 30, 2014, 04:38:01 PM
Perhaps she thinks it a good marketing ploy.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on December 30, 2014, 04:41:53 PM
Why should I comment about Sky's actions on a thread about Journalist Sonia Poulton's actions? &%+((£ But for what it's worth I think it's a shame Sky went after Leyland, and not one of the more extreme examples of twitter troll - personally though I have no problem whatsoever with the media making an example of ghastly people who get their kicks from being highly abusive to and about the bereaved and victims of crime.
I rather imagine the MSM are awaiting the coroner's conclusion on Brenda Leyland's death, probably not as much in respect as in expediency.
As you say, she was actually a very small cog in the wheel and I am sure there are other stories waiting to be told; who knows ... Sonia Poulton's may be one of them.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2014, 04:43:09 PM
Why should I comment about Sky's actions on a thread about Journalist Sonia Poulton's actions? &%+((£ But for what it's worth I think it's a shame Sky went after Leyland, and not one of the more extreme examples of twitter troll - personally though I have no problem whatsoever with the media making an example of ghastly people who get their kicks from being highly abusive to and about the bereaved and victims of crime.
It hasn't been proved one way or the other who committed the crime.
Try bearing that in mind.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on December 30, 2014, 04:47:43 PM
Then how do you define Sonia Poulton's rather bizarre claim that her documentary will tell yet another untold story about Madeleine McCann ... and as an aside reveal the identities of individuals who will then most certainly be exposed to on line trolling of the worst sort?
Yes, you have a point there.
Exposing people is a waste of time imo and would just confirm what the media already thinks of us. (I advised her to speak to Kay Burley - who knows exactly what that opinion is, and told us so -, but I doubt she did).
I don't expect much from SP's film, apart from more or less more of the same approach we've seen again and again.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on December 30, 2014, 04:51:01 PM
A quick flip through the first six pages of this thread would indicate it went a little beyond highlighting her journalistic credentials. But then if you have the attention span of a goldfish it is I suppose easy to forget what has been written.
if I was going to make a personal attack on poulton I would mention her battle with mental illness and her two failed suicide attempts but I prefer to keep my criticism relevant to her professional life
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 30, 2014, 05:59:17 PM
Perhaps Alice would like to point out all the personal slights aimed at dear Sonia in the first 6 pages of this thread.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 30, 2014, 06:01:03 PM
Admirable restraint davel. Not &%&£(+
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on December 30, 2014, 06:07:53 PM
Apparently the lady has made no secret of all aspects of her private life and used her experience as the basis of many newspaper articles.
Correct. If one wanted to make personal attacks on the woman, she has "overshared" in the MSM to such a great extent that there is a wealth of material to choose from - but let's not go there and give the "sceptics" another thing to get on their high horses over.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 30, 2014, 06:50:30 PM
Perhaps Alice would like to point out all the personal slights aimed at dear Sonia in the first 6 pages of this thread.
This is said in the nicest possible way not intending offence you understand. You reckon you are smarter than the average bear figure it out for yourself. Remember IDNFTFT
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 30, 2014, 07:07:10 PM
This is said in the nicest possible way not intending offence you understand. You reckon you are smarter than the average bear figure it out for yourself. Remember IDNFTFT
I reckon it doesn't take a genius to spot off topic hyperbole when one sees it, nor to notice that, once again, you have resorted to the lazy man's way out of the discussion 8@??)(
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2014, 08:05:26 PM
Also, I've been passed info about SP.
Would Dave care to enlighten us about where his came from about her and why he felt the need to put it on the forum ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2014, 08:12:32 PM
read back the last 14 pages and you might understand...there again you probably won't
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Angelo222 on December 30, 2014, 08:19:38 PM
Sonia Poulton has never made it a secret that she suffers from OCD which developed following her experiences as a young child in the lead up to her mothers premature death.
Has this some relevance to the promised documentary per chance?
eta I doubt very much if Sonia Poulton knows the untold story about Madeleine.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on December 30, 2014, 08:20:02 PM
Would Dave care to enlighten us about where his came from about her and why he felt the need to put it on the forum ?
Took me two minutes to find information under her own by line ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1354691/OCD-Sonia-Poulton-consumed-illness-age-7.html
Mental conditions are every bit as debilitating as physical ones are and Ms Poulson ... rightly IMO ... tells it as it is. There is absolutely nothing shameful about it.
I wish posters were as sensitive about the feelings of the McCann family as they are about imagined slurs at a woman strong enough to publish the details of her condition.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2014, 08:20:30 PM
Sonia Poulton has never made it a secret that she suffers from OCD which developed following her experiences as a young child in the lead up to her mothers premature death.
seems Stephen didn't know
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 30, 2014, 08:22:04 PM
I reckon it doesn't take a genius to spot off topic hyperbole when one sees it, nor to notice that, once again, you have resorted to the lazy man's way out of the discussion 8@??)(
I thought it was up to me when, where and how I post provided I don't piss off the management too much. If I do piss them off too much they will delete posts, award points or ban me as applicable. "You win some, lose some, all the same to me, The pleasure is to play, makes no difference what you say, I don't share your needs....."
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2014, 08:31:48 PM
As I predicted, the McCann's and their supporters are worried about this video.
Hence the increased personal attacks.
Anyone who thinks poulton has anything new to add to the case is more than a bit dim...imo
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Angelo222 on December 30, 2014, 08:53:12 PM
I can't see any justification whatsoever for another documentary claiming to know the whole truth. Only the perp if there was one knows the whole truth. Anything else is merely speculation and is unhelpful to say the least.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 30, 2014, 08:55:16 PM
I can't see any justification whatsoever for another documentary claiming to know the whole truth. Only the perp if there was one knows the whole truth.. Anything else is merely speculation and is unhelpful in the extreme.
absolutely true...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 30, 2014, 08:56:47 PM
Let's wait for the video. 8(0(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 30, 2014, 09:02:17 PM
I can't see any justification whatsoever for another documentary claiming to know the whole truth. Only the perp if there was one knows the whole truth. Anything else is merely speculation and is unhelpful to say the least.
To be fair it's only the same hype Summers and Swan used.
Naturally if she's doing a film she wants people to watch it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: John on December 30, 2014, 09:10:20 PM
She's not charging for it though? As far as I know.
But if someone came along and wrote a great book about the case, I'd gladly pay for it. Woodward & Berstein etc. didn't do it for nothing did they 8(>((
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on December 30, 2014, 09:57:50 PM
She's not charging for it though? As far as I know.
But if someone came along and wrote a great book about the case, I'd gladly pay for it. Woodward & Berstein etc. didn't do it for nothing did they 8(>((
Like you I didn't know a great deal about Sonia Poulton so I've been doing a bit of catch up.
To say I am underwhelmed is putting it mildly (I've just slogged through the transcript of an interview she conducted for Icke TV).
I would say if you are waiting for a "great" work which might give some definitive indicators as to what happened to Madeleine McCann ... the promised documentary is not going to be it.
As far as I am concerned the only chance Madeleine and her family have for resolution lies with the current police investigation being conducted by the PJ and the Met ... and we should throw all our weight and good wishes for success behind that.
Just what is the point of this documentary anyway? The only innovation is going to come from the police investigation not a wannabe.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Angelo222 on December 30, 2014, 10:03:13 PM
Like you I didn't know a great deal about Sonia Poulton so I've been doing a bit of catch up.
To say I am underwhelmed is putting it mildly (I've just slogged through the transcript of an interview she conducted for Icke TV).
I would say if you are waiting for a "great" work which might give some definitive indicators as to what happened to Madeleine McCann ... the promised documentary is not going to be it.
As far as I am concerned the only chance Madeleine and her family have for resolution lies with the current police investigation being conducted by the PJ and the Met ... and we should throw all our weight and good wishes for success behind that.
Just what is the point of this documentary anyway? The only innovation is going to come from the police investigation not a wannabe.
I was with you up until the point you mentioned the McCanns and their only chance for resolution. They had that opportunity way back in 2007 but decided to put two fingers up to the Portuguese investigation when they refused to cooperate.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 30, 2014, 10:10:04 PM
I was with you up until the point you mentioned the McCanns and their only chance for resolution. They had that opportunity way back in 2007 but decided to put two fingers up to the Portuguese investigation when they refused to cooperate.
Do you really think that the only people who can provide the answers to this mystery are the McCanns themselves? Is that your honest belief?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Angelo222 on December 30, 2014, 10:17:10 PM
Like you I didn't know a great deal about Sonia Poulton so I've been doing a bit of catch up.
To say I am underwhelmed is putting it mildly (I've just slogged through the transcript of an interview she conducted for Icke TV).
I would say if you are waiting for a "great" work which might give some definitive indicators as to what happened to Madeleine McCann ... the promised documentary is not going to be it.
As far as I am concerned the only chance Madeleine and her family have for resolution lies with the current police investigation being conducted by the PJ and the Met ... and we should throw all our weight and good wishes for success behind that.
Just what is the point of this documentary anyway? The only innovation is going to come from the police investigation not a wannabe.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the investigation.
But I said book. I'm not expecting much from her film; partly because I think she's going to be wasting time talking about trolls and dossiers (instead of Sky News, and their allies), and also because she'll probably also be mentioning some of the same things R Hall spent way too much time discussing in his videos.
But I don't think films can come anywhere near doing what books do anyway, though they will of course attract a larger audience.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on December 31, 2014, 02:10:10 AM
Could be worse. At least KT Hopkins isn't making it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on December 31, 2014, 09:42:02 AM
Could be worse. At least KT Hopkins isn't making it.
@)(++(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on December 31, 2014, 09:50:26 AM
There has been much talk of hypocrisy on this thread but what is really hypocritical is that the McCann's credibility is considered in some quarters to be bolstered by the 'deep and sustained depression' that they have claimed they are suffering yet those same individuals consider Sonia Poulton's brushes with depression undermine hers.
Perhaps someone can explain that to me ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 31, 2014, 09:54:45 AM
There has been much talk of hypocrisy on this thread but what is really hypocritical is that the McCann's credibility is considered in some quarters to be bolstered by the 'deep and sustained depression' that they have claimed they are suffering yet those same individuals consider Sonia Poulton's brushes with depression undermine hers.
Perhaps someone can explain that to me ?
Precisely.
It seems one law for the McCann's and everyone else is fair game.
Having cut and pasted the words of Kate McCann last night, which were rapidly removed, that merely highlighted the double standards.
Meanwhile those same words of Kate McCann are freely available on the net. &%+((£
...and it certainly wasn't libellous.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on December 31, 2014, 10:03:34 AM
As I predicted, the McCann's and their supporters are worried about this video.
Hence the increased personal attacks.
On the contrary Stephen, I for one can't wait, god, we could all do with a good laugh.
This woman is nothing more than an attention seeker, who would do anything by the looks of it to make herself and name get known. Unfortunately she is really going the wrong way about it.
There is NOTHING new to be said about the McCann case, unless you want to follow the conspiracy stories that is.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 31, 2014, 10:46:15 AM
There has been much talk of hypocrisy on this thread but what is really hypocritical is that the McCann's credibility is considered in some quarters to be bolstered by the 'deep and sustained depression' that they have claimed they are suffering yet those same individuals consider Sonia Poulton's brushes with depression undermine hers.
Perhaps someone can explain that to me ?
The McCanns' claim that Amaral's book hurt them is clearly bolstered if "deep and sustained depression" was in fact suffered by them, however such an afflicted mental state does not automatically confer credibility on one as an objective and incisive documentary film maker, something that the McCanns have never claimed to be. In any case, I don't think anyone here (apart from Davel perhaps) has cited Poulton's alleged depression as a reason for not taking her video seriously have they? So, no hypocrisy there dear Faithlilly, unless you believe Davel speaks for all us Faithful?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on December 31, 2014, 10:47:44 AM
On the contrary Stephen, I for one can't wait, god, we could all do with a good laugh.
This woman is nothing more than an attention seeker, who would do anything by the looks of it to make herself and name get known. Unfortunately she is really going the wrong way about it.
There is NOTHING new to be said about the McCann case, unless you want to follow the conspiracy stories that is.
Interesting that you use the term attention seeker.
Very applicable to both the McCann's on numerous occasions.
IMO naturally. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on December 31, 2014, 12:13:51 PM
[quote removed as unnecessary]
Sonia has achieved the first part of her objective...get people talking about her...raise her profile...problem is that it is probably less than 100 people across the forums
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 31, 2014, 12:18:02 PM
Sonia has achieved the first part of her objective...get people talking about her...raise her profile...problem is that it is probably less than 100 people across the forums
She's promised the Unfaithful the Untold Story of Madeleine McCann - I fear they are in for a major disappointment, but maybe they will be distracted by the unveiling in the video of the RL name of a McCann supporter to get their teeth into instead. It will be some consolation and give them someone to ridicule and stalk for a few months - and if the McCann supporter has a job then maybe they can try and get them the sack as well. Such fun!
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on December 31, 2014, 01:29:34 PM
Can hardly wait for the release of the new documentary ... ?>)()< ... when all will surely be revealed ... yet again.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 01, 2015, 02:19:51 PM
Happy New Year.
Back On Topic please.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 01, 2015, 03:16:09 PM
Looks like we're nicely deflecting from the subject of this thread, I wonder why that would be, eh..? &%+((£
Maybe because it is more interesting than trying to predict that which some churnalist may or may not be revealing at some unspecified time in the future?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 01, 2015, 06:46:13 PM
Well,well well.
Is this a threat from a mccann backer towards Ms. Poulton ?
I also wonder if this woman's behaviour will be reported in the mainstream press.
For what ? it is just a stream of ridiculous people over reacting to what appears to be a suggestion that it will not happen any time soon . She does not say how it will be stopped or by who but now we have these idiots suggesting Ms Poulton is in danger. More [ censored word ]s
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 01, 2015, 08:50:49 PM
I'm sure it will all be grist to the mill as Ms Poulton seems to relish uncovering and punishing any personal slight.
I find her faux outrage at the 'outing' of Brenda Leyland at variance with her use of her journalistic status to threaten the 'outing', months before the event, of people who have allegedly said "smeary" things about her and her loved ones; but there again there is a bit of coverage going on in the public domain about that so it doesn't really require a twittering twit to expose it.
There are ways to go about getting publicity for a project ... I don't think Ms Poulton has yet hit on a particularly professional means to do it.
" ... but it's very interesting because obviously with modern technology we've quite legally and legitimately been able to trace these people who are saying quite awful smeary things about myself and my loved ones and uhm we will be going after them for this documentary because these people need to be revealed" ... ... Sonia Poulton https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0P7uBP8B1I&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 01, 2015, 09:07:18 PM
Hopefully she'll not have listened to everything she's being told on twitter and will by March have made a more considered and interesting film.
Nobody could object to that. Assuming it's not libelous.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on January 01, 2015, 09:18:01 PM
For what ? it is just a stream of ridiculous people over reacting to what appears to be a suggestion that it will not happen any time soon . She does not say how it will be stopped or by who but now we have these idiots suggesting Ms Poulton is in danger. More [ censored word ]s
So on that basis, anyone making a 'threat' against the McCann's such as that should be treated as [ censored word ]s and nothing else ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 01, 2015, 09:32:40 PM
Hopefully she'll not have listened to everything she's being told on twitter and will by March have made a more considered and interesting film.
Nobody could object to that. Assuming it's not libelous.
Actually I wouldn't bank on it.
There is something incredibly naive or delusional about a person who is supposedly investigating information allegedly in pursuit of telling an untold story about a missing child.
The arrogance displayed is nothing short of incredible and if the internet is the source for her 'research' ... God help us all, but particularly those who have taken her seriously.
" ... thank you so very much to all of the people involved with fighting for justice to do with not only Madeleine McCann now but Brenda Leyland as well and I'm very grateful for all of you wonderful people helping me to research this documentary I know we literally could not have done it without you because many people have literally spent the last seven years as online detectives searching this story inside out and do you know as the saying goes uh no stone has been unturned again I want to thank you ... " (Sonia Poulton)
There is something incredibly naive or delusional about a person who is supposedly investigating information allegedly in pursuit of telling an untold story about a missing child.
The arrogance displayed is nothing short of incredible and if the internet is the source for her 'research' ... God help us all, but particularly those who have taken her seriously.
" ... thank you so very much to all of the people involved with fighting for justice to do with not only Madeleine McCann now but Brenda Leyland as well and I'm very grateful for all of you wonderful people helping me to research this documentary I know we literally could not have done it without you because many people have literally spent the last seven years as online detectives searching this story inside out and do you know as the saying goes uh no stone has been unturned again I want to thank you ... " (Sonia Poulton)
Arrogance? I don't know about SP obviously because I don't know the approach she's going to take, but why should this case be the only one the public can't write/broadcast about?
By the end of March it's pretty much four years since the British police got involved. It's perfectly legitimate to ask questions about that, and about the still unsolved case. There is public interest in both.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 01, 2015, 11:32:10 PM
Admittedly the public have a poor record in pursuing that interest so far. But if Channel 5 can make documentaries, and Summers & Swan can publish, why can't others?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 01, 2015, 11:40:49 PM
Arrogance? I don't know about SP obviously because I don't know the approach she's going to take, but why should this case be the only one the public can't write/broadcast about?
By the end of March it's pretty much four years since the British police got involved. It's perfectly legitimate to ask questions about that, and about the still unsolved case. There is public interest in both.
If you ... me ... Tom ... Dick ... or Sonia think we have the skills to author a work about Madeleine McCann which contains nothing but the truth ... not your truth or my truth but well researched facts backed up by evidence ... there is absolutely NOTHING to prevent it.
Why do you suggest it is otherwise?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 01, 2015, 11:41:02 PM
You mean it's arrogant of someone to think/declare they can/have solved the case?
I'd agree with that. It's foolish as well. You have to present all the possibilities because we definitely can't rule any out.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 01, 2015, 11:42:02 PM
If you ... me ... Tom ... Dick ... or Sonia think we have the skills to author a work about Madeleine McCann which contains nothing but the truth ... not your truth or my truth but well researched facts backed up by evidence ... there is absolutely NOTHING to prevent it.
Why do you suggest it is otherwise?
Why is it arrogant then?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 01, 2015, 11:53:06 PM
Arrogance? I don't know about SP obviously because I don't know the approach she's going to take, but why should this case be the only one the public can't write/broadcast about?
By the end of March it's pretty much four years since the British police got involved. It's perfectly legitimate to ask questions about that, and about the still unsolved case. There is public interest in both.
Under normal circumstances the police do try to keep the British public informed; in this particular case Portuguese secrecy laws apply ... and this is a Portuguese led case.
Are you suggesting that the public should have their questions answered at risk of alienating the Portuguese authorities and lose any hope of continuing the co-operation which may solve Madeleine's case? Bear in mind ... we were warned in no uncertain terms at the beginning of this investigation what the expectations are ... I think the police should be left to get on with it and if they find anything worthwhile in the Poulton documentary, I am sure they will be appropriately grateful.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 02, 2015, 12:13:32 AM
Under normal circumstances the police do try to keep the British public informed; in this particular case Portuguese secrecy laws apply ... and this is a Portuguese led case.
Are you suggesting that the public should have their questions answered at risk of alienating the Portuguese authorities and lose any hope of continuing the co-operation which may solve Madeleine's case? Bear in mind ... we were warned in no uncertain terms at the beginning of this investigation what the expectations are ... I think the police should be left to get on with it and if they find anything worthwhile in the Poulton documentary, I am sure they will be appropriately grateful.
Of course they won't have questions answered, but that doesn't prevent them from making their thoughts known.
Or from recording the events. It's history.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 02, 2015, 12:29:44 AM
Plus there is the hope that someone who is in a position to get answers to questions might read or view something they weren't previously aware of.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 02, 2015, 08:16:27 AM
Personally I think it is arrogant (not to mention supremely foolish) to think you could possibly solve the case from the comfort of your living room, without full access to the full facts, all the files, witnesses, etc.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on January 02, 2015, 09:12:19 AM
If SP is going to rely on 'the wonderful research' carried out by the wonderful researchers she mentions - then can we look forward to hearing wonderful revelations such as the following examples?:-
1. The partial bloody footprint found outside the bedroom door in 5A.
2. The McCanns mentioned NZ wine because they wanted a promotional campaign by suppliers of New Zealand wine..
3. Madeleine did not live with her parents for most of her 3-4 years.
4 It is possible that Madeleine had a prosthetic left arm. (apparently this can be seen on the 'birthday cake photograph)
5.The whole group were at Chaplins bar on the Tuesday night,
6. The undisturbed lichen on the window cill of 5A.
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After 7 years of 'wonderful research' - leaving no stone unturned - all the above are just a few examples of the 'troo facts' and opinions resulting from that 'research' which are still being posted elsewhere.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on January 02, 2015, 09:27:49 AM
If SP is going to rely on 'the wonderful research' carried out by the wonderful researchers she mentions - then can we look forward to hearing wonderful revelations such as the following examples?:-
1. The partial bloody footprint found outside the bedroom door in 5A.
2. The McCanns mentioned NZ wine because they wanted a promotional campaign by suppliers of New Zealand wine..
3. Madeleine did not live with her parents for most of her 3-4 years.
4 It is possible that Madeleine had a prosthetic left arm. (apparently this can be seen on the 'birthday cake photograph)
5.The whole group were at Chaplins bar on the Tuesday night,
6. The undisturbed lichen on the window cill of 5A.
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After 7 years of 'wonderful research' - leaving no stone unturned - all the above are just a few examples of the 'troo facts' and opinions resulting from that 'research' which are still being posted elsewhere.
I very much doubt it Benice. Didn't you know they were forum myths ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Montclair on January 02, 2015, 09:34:32 AM
I very much doubt it Benice. Didn't you know they were forum myths ?
The undisturbed lichen on the window sill is no forum myth as it was stated that nothing was disturbed on the sill.
As to the NZ wine, the McCanns went into too much detail. Also, it does show, if true, that they had been drinking even before they got to the Tapas. What I would like to know is if the police found any empty NZ wine bottles in the apartment.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on January 02, 2015, 09:59:55 AM
I very much doubt it Benice. Didn't you know they were forum myths ?
You seem to have missed the point Faith. These forum myths are still being posted as the 'troof' elsewhere - by the very people who Sonia Poulton is thanking so profusely in her video for their wonderful research skills.
p.s. Happy New Year btw. (and to everyone else)
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 02, 2015, 10:03:52 AM
The undisturbed lichen on the window sill is no forum myth as it was stated that nothing was disturbed on the sill.
As to the NZ wine, the McCanns went into too much detail. Also, it does show, if true, that they had been drinking even before they got to the Tapas. What I would like to know is if the police found any empty NZ wine bottles in the apartment.
I understand Ms Poulton is big on freedom of speech and censorship ... I therefore find it interesting that seems applicable only to her opinion and that of her invaluable online researchers.
Otherwise why would she think it appropriate to highlight the fact she is preparing to throw someone with legitimate opposing views to the slavering troll wolves of her pack?
Is this responsible journalism? It sure ain't the action of a person who is capable of producing an unbiased body of work which is therefore going to be every bit as cringe worthy as efforts which have gone before.
"We've also now traced somebody who is involved with the campaign of maintaining the abduction theory somebody who was very prolific online somebody who will shock people and we've traced that person and that person will be revealed in the documentary." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0P7uBP8B1I&feature=youtu.be
Oh and by the way, there was NO lichen on the windowsill at the apartment.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on January 02, 2015, 10:09:54 AM
The undisturbed lichen on the window sill is no forum myth as it was stated that nothing was disturbed on the sill.
As to the NZ wine, the McCanns went into too much detail. Also, it does show, if true, that they had been drinking even before they got to the Tapas. What I would like to know is if the police found any empty NZ wine bottles in the apartment.
There was no lichen on the window cill to be disturbed.
You have completely side-stepped the pertinent point re the comments made by another poster elsewhere - i.e. the reason why the McCanns mentioned NZ wine.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on January 02, 2015, 12:11:16 PM
Script is written in the tealeaves, isn't it?
Death scent behind the sofa in the apartment
Death scent in the flower bed
Death scent on Kate's clothes
The Gaspar Statements.
The Almedia interim report.
And so on.
And so forth ...
Forgot to add:
World's top sniffer dogs
World's top sniffer dog handler ....
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 02, 2015, 12:33:20 PM
And the opinion of Joao Carlos, who wrote the final PJ report
And the opinion of Mark Harrison.
Even Grime stopped short of saying he thought the McCanns guilty.
And from the fact that Almeida, at the libel trial, questioned why the hell he was there at all, it is reasonable to infer that he inclines to the view that they are probably innocent.
Whether he would be gracious enough to admit that he fouled up with his report is open to question ...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 02, 2015, 05:52:18 PM
I think there are excellent reasons why the media doesn't report on what is being said online regarding Madeleine McCann.
Some of the language used in telling 'the untold story' would make your eyes water; some of it is nothing short of illiterate and maniacal; some of it has been proved wrong time after time; and the majority of it is libel.
I rather think the media have taken the route of what was thought fact rather than fantasy having had their fingers burned and have been slightly more careful about what they print since 'sources close to the investigation' had their evil way with them and cost their proprietors some profit in the process.
Having recently read more about Sonia Poulton's career than is good for me, I find myself wondering what qualifies her as a journalist.
"The fact is that the media is systematically failing to represent what is being said online with regard to Madeleine McCann." (Sonia Poulton) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJ7aDmcuG4
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on January 02, 2015, 05:53:55 PM
I think there are excellent reasons why the media doesn't report on what is being said online regarding Madeleine McCann.
Some of the language used in telling 'the untold story' would make your eyes water; some of it is nothing short of illiterate and maniacal; some of it has been proved wrong time after time; and the majority of it is libel.
I rather think the media have taken the route of what was thought fact rather than fantasy having had their fingers burned and have been slightly more careful about what they print since 'sources close to the investigation' had their evil way with them and cost their proprietors some profit in the process.
Having recently read more about Sonia Poulton's career than is good for me, I find myself wondering what qualifies her as a journalist.
"The fact is that the media is systematically failing to represent what is being said online with regard to Madeleine McCann." (Sonia Poulton) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJ7aDmcuG4
Can I take it that you have seen the script?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 02, 2015, 06:04:59 PM
Ferryman seems to think they did demonstrate something couldn't possibly have happened so I assume that is indeed what the book says.
I read it but can't claim to remember much, except I remember many things were repeated again and again throughout the book (it was a struggle to get through it).
Like Richard Hall's Videos. Now they were really boring.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 02, 2015, 06:05:56 PM
I think there are excellent reasons why the media doesn't report on what is being said online regarding Madeleine McCann.
Some of the language used in telling 'the untold story' would make your eyes water; some of it is nothing short of illiterate and maniacal; some of it has been proved wrong time after time; and the majority of it is libel.
I rather think the media have taken the route of what was thought fact rather than fantasy having had their fingers burned and have been slightly more careful about what they print since 'sources close to the investigation' had their evil way with them and cost their proprietors some profit in the process.
Having recently read more about Sonia Poulton's career than is good for me, I find myself wondering what qualifies her as a journalist.
"The fact is that the media is systematically failing to represent what is being said online with regard to Madeleine McCann." (Sonia Poulton) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJ7aDmcuG4
I'm LOL'ing at your quote from dear old Sonia..the "sceptics" aren't all that keen when the media report what is being said online with regard to the case, in fact they get very twitchy about it indeed, especially if RL names are reported too. If the "evil" MSM do decide to pick up on dear Sonia's video you can bet your bottom dollar they won't be very kind about it (or her), but I hope they will do the decent thing and completely ignore it. People like her and Katie Hopkins thrive on publicity, and IMO the more you give 'em, the more shrill and berserk they sound.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 02, 2015, 06:06:06 PM
I'm LOL'ing at your quote from dear old Sonia..the "sceptics" aren't all that keen when the media report what is being said online with regard to the case, in fact they get very twitchy about it indeed, especially if RL names are reported too. If the "evil" MSM do decide to pick up on dear Sonia's video you can bet your bottom dollar they won't be very kind about it (or her), but I hope they will do the decent thing and completely ignore it. People like her and Katie Hopkins thrive on publicity, and IMO the more you give 'em, the more shrill and berserk they sound.
I think Katie Hopkins is another example of a wannabe who is sailing very close to the wind as she makes outrageous comment just to get a reaction and get her name in the papers. I think Patrick Harvie's comment sums it up exactly. The reaction she has stirred up by her ill judged comment about the Scottish Aid worker presently being treated for Ebola in a London hospital might just come back to bite her.
I think it is indicative of a trait in modern society which she shares with Sonia Poulton ... but I think your assessment is spot on here ... msm don't hang on their every word (a) they are incredibly tiresome (b) they really have nothing to say which is worth listening to
So if the documentary ever appears, apparently she was going to do an expose of David Icke which did not materialise, the target audience will be limited.
Green MSP Patrick Harvie said: “Katie Hopkins is the lowest product of mindless celeb culture: she simply says the vilest things she can think of to provoke a reaction.” http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity/sack-katie-hopkins-stars-politicians-4896861
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 02, 2015, 09:09:51 PM
There were only ever three TV programmes on the main channels that discussed the case impartially, and there's a lot none of those programmes mentioned. So it is possible to make one that isn't libelous which says things that may be new to people.
Problem for SP may be her film has been so hyped by now that kind of programme may not be enough for her supporters.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 02, 2015, 09:15:32 PM
There were only ever three TV programmes on the main channels that discussed the case impartially, and there's a lot none of those programmes mentioned. So it is possible to make one that isn't libelous which says things that may be new to people.
Problem for SP may be her film has been so hyped by now that kind of programme may not be enough for her supporters.
I doubt it will be. Her supporters want definitive proof, which they ain't going to get. But at least it is keeping us all going for the time being.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 02, 2015, 09:15:58 PM
She is also doing this for BL, So I think a lot of it will be coming from that side.
I wish I believed that, Anna. But sadly I don't think she is doing it for Brenda. I feel desperately sorry for the fact that Brenda Leyland was first attacked by some of the people who supposedly supported her Tweets and FaceBook offerings, but then left her to cope without any support at all. And Sonia Poulton piling in now and raking it all up isn't going to help Brenda's family at all.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 02, 2015, 09:42:23 PM
I wish I believed that, Anna. But sadly I don't think she is doing it for Brenda. I feel desperately sorry for the fact that Brenda Leyland was first attacked by some of the people who supposedly supported her Tweets and FaceBook offerings, but then left her to cope without any support at all. And Sonia Poulton piling in now and raking it all up isn't going to help Brenda's family at all.
As you know Eleanor, I too feel for her family. They must be wishing, that it will all just stop. I don't think it will soon, though!
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on January 02, 2015, 10:20:14 PM
I wish I believed that, Anna. But sadly I don't think she is doing it for Brenda. I feel desperately sorry for the fact that Brenda Leyland was first attacked by some of the people who supposedly supported her Tweets and FaceBook offerings, but then left her to cope without any support at all. And Sonia Poulton piling in now and raking it all up isn't going to help Brenda's family at all.
The tweets from supporters who were stalking her long before her door stepping by Brunt are well documented and no revisionist nonsense can change that.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 02, 2015, 10:20:32 PM
As you know Eleanor, I too feel for her family. They must be wishing, that it will all just stop. I don't think it will soon, though!
No, I don't think it will either. I just don't understand what Sonia Poulton thinks she is going to accomplish.
No one is actually being deprived of their right to express an opinion, often even when it is libellous or threatening. No one is actually shutting up anyone.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 02, 2015, 10:22:13 PM
The tweets from supporters who were stalking her long before her door stepping by Brunt are well documented and no revisionist nonsense can change that.
Do you mean McCann Supporters?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 02, 2015, 10:31:06 PM
Brenda was being stalked by McCann supporters was she? Ah well, we'll get all the details in the video I guess (though I won't be holding my breath!)
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on January 02, 2015, 10:45:18 PM
Sorry, not with you. I had never heard of Brenda Leyland before all of this tragic incident. I just don't understand what Sonia Poulton is trying to do.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 02, 2015, 11:20:12 PM
Sorry, not with you. I had never heard of Brenda Leyland before all of this tragic incident. I just don't understand what Sonia Poulton is trying to do.
It's childish tit-for-tat nonsense and nothing more IMO.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 02, 2015, 11:23:37 PM
It's childish tit-for-tat nonsense and nothing more IMO.
I don’t think this video, is worth, getting too excited about. There is no untold story to be told, that hasn’t been told already. One would have to be invented IMO.
She can’t interview professionals involved, police or witnesses, while there is an investigation going on. Can she?
So where is this legitimate, information going to come from? Could it be from, Twitters or twits or whatever it is, that they call themselves and their posts?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 02, 2015, 11:29:46 PM
It's childish tit-for-tat nonsense and nothing more IMO.
Indeed. But it isn't doing Brenda's family a lot of good. So what can Sonia Poulton hope to achieve? She won't further her career, if that's what she thinks.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 02, 2015, 11:31:50 PM
I don’t think this video, is worth, getting too excited about. There is no untold story to be told, that hasn’t been told already. One would have to be invented IMO.
She can’t interview professionals involved, police or witnesses, while there is an investigation going on. Can she?
So where is this legitimate, information going to come from? Could it be from, Twitters or twits or whatever it is, that they call themselves and their posts?
Desperation is the mother of invention. And we have seen a lot of that.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 02, 2015, 11:34:53 PM
She's said what it's about (partly): the media's treatment of this case.
But you could get a hundred different papers from a hundred people on that subject.
Very few of them mentioning lawyers I expect.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 02, 2015, 11:37:50 PM
Some people see 'conspiracy' when it's actually lawyers doing what they do secretly.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 02, 2015, 11:38:22 PM
Indeed. But it isn't doing Brenda's family a lot of good. So what can Sonia Poulton hope to achieve? She won't further her career, if that's what she thinks.
Sonia obviously has a very high opinion of herself and believes that what she is doing is some great service to humankind and the cause of justice, in fact I think this is what drives many of these "sceptic" types. If only they could see themselves for what they really are and how deluded and misguided (not to mention nasty and vindictive) they come across, but that ain't ever likely to happen unfortunately.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 02, 2015, 11:42:30 PM
Sonia obviously has a very high opinion of herself and believes that what she is doing is some great service to humankind and the cause of justice, in fact I think this is what drives many of these "sceptic" types. If only they could see themselves for what they really are and how deluded and misguided (not to mention nasty and vindictive) they come across, but that ain't ever likely to happen unfortunately.
I agree. Some of them do believe that they are doing a service, although this has to be a delusion. In my not so humble opinion. So much unkindness is really depressing at times.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 02, 2015, 11:44:42 PM
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 02, 2015, 11:57:45 PM
Grange, shockingly lurid newspaper frontpages, the absurd Crimewatch and subsequent appeals.
But the PM made his feelings known (and Home Sec) and that was that. £10m is a drop in the ocean truthfully (the national debt rises by that amount every 32 minutes by my calculation - it's nothing in the grand scheme of things if the PM says so)
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 03, 2015, 12:00:17 AM
Grange, shockingly lurid newspaper frontpages, the absurd Crimewatch and subsequent appeals.
But the PM made his feelings known (and Home Sec) and that was that. £10m is a drop in the ocean truthfully (the national debt rises by that amount every 32 minutes by my calculation - it's nothing in the grand scheme of things if the PM says so)
Please don't try to take this Thread Off Topic.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 03, 2015, 12:03:23 AM
You mean I'm a Journalist just like Sonia? Excepting that I wouldn't heap misery on the family of a missing child or the family of a very sad woman.
I agree with you about some things, but that's the modern online world. The answer I think is less legislation/restriction of freedom of speech, not more of it. But more of it is what's in the pipeline, and sooner or later some of the people out there discussing the case will likely face consequences. But that's likely to make things worse not better, just like the action Sky News took did. One thing's for sure: there are no easy answers in a case as unique as this one.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 03, 2015, 01:27:34 AM
I agree with you about some things, but that's the modern online world. The answer I think is less legislation/restriction of freedom of speech, not more of it. But more of it is what's in the pipeline, and sooner or later some of the people out there discussing the case will likely face consequences. But that's likely to make things worse not better, just like the action Sky News took did. One thing's for sure: there are no easy answers in a case as unique as this one.
Believe me, I am pleased that we have a level of communication. I have never wanted to fall out with anyone. But I don't need the Right to Free Speech because I understand what is acceptable and what isn't. And certainly you have never offended the forum rules as far as I am aware. But don't you see that some people do overstep the mark. They are the ones who put Freedom of Speech at risk. And Sonia Poulton seems to be heading that way. She has already accused some politician whose name I can't remember, of being a Mass Murderer. This is just not acceptable. So she needs to watch her mouth when it comes to Brenda Leyland and The McCanns. She alone could do more to erode your rights than I ever could.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 03, 2015, 01:53:36 AM
Believe me, I am pleased that we have a level of communication. I have never wanted to fall out with anyone. But I don't need the Right to Free Speech because I understand what is acceptable and what isn't. And certainly you have never offended the forum rules as far as I am aware. But don't you see that some people do overstep the mark. They are the ones who put Freedom of Speech at risk. And Sonia Poulton seems to be heading that way. She has already accused some politician whose name I can't remember, of being a Mass Murderer. This is just not acceptable. So she needs to watch her mouth when it comes to Brenda Leyland and The McCanns. She alone could do more to erode your rights than I ever could.
I know. She already tweeted "let's get this into court" so who knows what her plans really are. The problem is there's a vacuum created by nobody in the press - or other writers with credentials - writing about the case, and in a vacuum the 'conspiracy theorists' and the noisiest are followed.
I... ........ ....... is the politician. Nasty geezer %£&)**#
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 03, 2015, 02:00:17 AM
They're concerned about writing something that may be considered libelous of course, but it's not healthy for there to be a vacuum either.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 03, 2015, 02:28:00 AM
They're concerned about writing something that may be considered libelous of course, but it's not healthy for there to be a vacuum either.
So what would you have them say? Anything they might say would be picked over down to the last comma, as no doubt will be anything Sonia Poulton comes up with. She is already suggesting that something awful went on, and she doesn't even know what she is talking about. You and I know more about this Case than she ever will. And we probably know more than most Main Stream Media Reporters as well. We can only contain our souls in patience for someone in authority to actually decide something legally.
I just hope that The Coroner won't be going into any detail beyond the probable state of mind of Brenda Leyland at the time. I just feel desperately sad that she had no one to turn to who could have told her that anything she might have thought she had done, could and would be forgiven.
So why does Sonia Poulton want to add to the distress of Brenda's family? It won't solve anything. It won't make them feel any better. But Sonia Poulton might get a few Media plugs and even a few bob in her pocket.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 03, 2015, 02:50:32 AM
I don't know what's really driving SP. She was genuinely angry in October but after months of communicating with the people she is on twitter who knows what her plans are (hopefully she can see that some of those people would love to provoke a confrontation, so long as SP is the one facing the consequences not them).
I listed earlier some of the aspects I think should have been addressed in the papers - or by other writers with credentials. When they're never discussed people that way inclined believe it's because of some great conspiracy, and they go hunting for people saying the same things in blogs or videos. People look for leaders don't they. In this unique case they can find no leaders in the media, so they look for them on social media. It's definitely not healthy. I think they understand this better in the US, possibly because they're a lot more used to cases like this one. It's pretty much unique in the UK of course.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 03, 2015, 03:22:11 AM
I don't know what's really driving SP. She was genuinely angry in October but after months of communicating with the people she is on twitter who knows what her plans are (hopefully she can see that some of those people would love to provoke a confrontation, so long as SP is the one facing the consequences not them).
I listed earlier some of the aspects I think should have been addressed in the papers - or by other writers with credentials. When they're never discussed people that way inclined believe it's because of some great conspiracy, and they go hunting for people saying the same things in blogs or videos. People look for leaders don't they. In this unique case they can find no leaders in the media, so they look for them on social media. It's definitely not healthy. I think they understand this better in the US, possibly because they're a lot more used to cases like this one. It's pretty much unique in the UK of course.
That is what they are doing to her. Driving her to make a fool of herself. But she really should know better if she is who she wants us to believe she is. And Angry is never good. But why do people look for leaders who will churn out ill informed rubbish? They will turn on her in a hand span if she doesn't come up with what they want. Which she won't be able to.
I have spent some time on American Web Sites, not least in The Casey Anthony Case, and as far as I could see they are all raving mad with absolutely no respect for The Law. Even The Prosecutor was a dick head. Thank God for Judge Belvin Perry Junior. What a man. He had The Cadaver Dogs sussed with no problem whatsoever. And it doesn't matter what anyone thought of Casey Anthony. She was acquitted. and rightly so.
Sorry. Going off topic there. But my estimation of American Law went up by a thousand fold.
But in the end Sonia Poulton is not going to add one wit to The McCann Case. Just another chancer.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 03, 2015, 09:02:53 AM
That is what they are doing to her. Driving her to make a fool of herself. But she really should know better if she is who she wants us to believe she is. And Angry is never good. But why do people look for leaders who will churn out ill informed rubbish? They will turn on her in a hand span if she doesn't come up with what they want. Which she won't be able to.
I have spent some time on American Web Sites, not least in The Casey Anthony Case, and as far as I could see they are all raving mad with absolutely no respect for The Law. Even The Prosecutor was a dick head. Thank God for Judge Belvin Perry Junior. What a man. He had The Cadaver Dogs sussed with no problem whatsoever. And it doesn't matter what anyone thought of Casey Anthony. She was acquitted. and rightly so.
Sorry. Going off topic there. But my estimation of American Law went up by a thousand fold.
But in the end Sonia Poulton is not going to add one wit to The McCann Case. Just another chancer.
Any sign of Lisa Irwin yet?
She'll turn up alive & well won't she,...... just like Jeannete Zapata!
Those cadaver dog things are useless, I don't know why the fuzz even bother using them.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 03, 2015, 11:10:00 AM
I agree with you about some things, but that's the modern online world. The answer I think is less legislation/restriction of freedom of speech, not more of it. But more of it is what's in the pipeline, and sooner or later some of the people out there discussing the case will likely face consequences. But that's likely to make things worse not better, just like the action Sky News took did. One thing's for sure: there are no easy answers in a case as unique as this one.
You only have to think of the totalitarian states who severely restrict access to the internet to see that there are people in power who prefer that the masses are unable to see a viewpoint other than the state sponsored one.
The freedoms we have are precious and should be protected; but with freedom comes responsibility and that is something which is sadly lacking among those who have leapt onto the Madeleine McCann band wagon making her their own; even to the extent of stealing her name.
Sonia Poulton is just another in a long line of nobodies whose online activities are proof positive that with less legislation/restriction of freedom of speech comes only anarchy.
Maybe you should consider opening a thread on just exactly what it is that makes Madeleine McCann's case unique.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 03, 2015, 11:35:13 AM
You only have to think of the totalitarian states who severely restrict access to the internet to see that there are people in power who prefer that the masses are unable to see a viewpoint other than the state sponsored one.
The freedoms we have are precious and should be protected; but with freedom comes responsibility and that is something which is sadly lacking among those who have leapt onto the Madeleine McCann band wagon making her their own; even to the extent of stealing her name.
Sonia Poulton is just another in a long line of nobodies whose online activities are proof positive that with less legislation/restriction of freedom of speech comes only anarchy.
Maybe you should consider opening a thread on just exactly what it is that makes Madeleine McCann's case unique.
No need, you can all read my thoughts when I publish book or books. I do have some I think unique views on the case, but of course that doesn't necessarily mean anyone will agree with me ?{)(**
I am either brilliant... or mad @)(++(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on January 03, 2015, 11:39:19 AM
No need, you can all read my thoughts when I publish book or books. I do have some I think unique views on the case, but of course that doesn't necessarily mean anyone will agree with me ?{)(**
I am either brilliant... or mad @)(++(*
Which of your thoughts are "unique"?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 03, 2015, 11:43:03 AM
I don't mean on whodunnit. I'm not attempting to solve the case, just describe it better than it has been.
You'll see, eventually.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 03, 2015, 12:03:18 PM
Last night Eleanor said: We can only contain our souls in patience for someone in authority to actually decide something legally.
I disagree. I think the vacuum surrounding the case isn't healthy for anyone, for either 'side' and for the people involved in the case. October's tragedy was sadly the ultimate demonstration of this. It may not be the last unless that vacuum is filled.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 03, 2015, 12:08:07 PM
Last night Eleanor said: We can only contain our souls in patience for someone in authority to actually decide something legally.
I disagree. I think the vacuum surrounding the case isn't healthy for anyone, for either 'side' and for the people involved in the case. October's tragedy was sadly the ultimate demonstration of this. It may not be the last unless that vacuum is filled.
Well said Lyall.
Also, I wonder what would have been the outcry from mccann supporters, if it had been one of their brethren who had suffered Brenda Leyland's fate ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 03, 2015, 12:19:56 PM
Also, I wonder what would have been the outcry from mccann supporters, if it had been one of their brethren who had suffered Brenda Leyland's fate ?
It would have been many times greater still than what we've seen because unlike us they have powerful allies in the media (and elsewhere, including of course government). This is why it's really a bad idea I think for identities to be exposed as apparently SP plans. If that's done and anything happens to them there would be big trouble.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 03, 2015, 12:27:06 PM
It would have been many times greater still than what we've seen because unlike us they have powerful allies in the media (and elsewhere, including of course government). This is why it's really a bad idea I think for identities to be exposed as apparently SP plans. If that's done and anything happens to them there would be big trouble.
On that, her threats to expose people could just be hot air, or of course simply done to provoke a reaction in these people, which it certainly has done.
Time will tell.
However, some might say, they deserve a taste of their own medicine.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: xtina on January 04, 2015, 01:24:31 PM
Actually, it might be difficult to anticipate what might happen until we see her video. After that we can all have a lovely time deciding whether or not it is Libellous. Personally, I doubt it will be because she isn't completely stupid. But if not then what on earth will she say that hasn't already been said?
come on ....there is a hell of a lot that has not been said ....Sonia Poulton speaks of pleanty of evidence to prove there was no abduction...etc...etc....all it needs is to show there is another side to all this ....and the flood gates will open
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2015, 01:30:05 PM
There are also plenty of ways of interpreting things without being libelous. Spinmasters do it all the time.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: xtina on January 04, 2015, 01:49:22 PM
I'm not sure what the outcome was of her allegedly being reported to OFCOM over her interview with Robert Green in the Hollie case.
I have no idea whether this "documentary" is intended to be posted as a YouTube video (or a similar service) or as a licenced commercial TV service.
If the latter:
Broadcasting
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Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carana on January 04, 2015, 03:21:23 PM
Hmmm. If the impression to the average reader is that he wasn't told the truth, i.e. was told a lie as opposed to a balanced proposition that there may have been a muddled communication issue, wouldn't that be libellous?
Step back a second. Some "investigative journalist" writes about an armed robbery in X town and mentioned the fact that the suspected criminal wore a blue necklace. The "investigative journalist" then stated that Jassi, who lives nearby / resembles a suspect / has family in the area, is well-known for wearing a blue necklace (even though there may be 20 other people who also do and several who don't get a mention in the article) and insinuates that you are the the bank robber in question.
Is that impartial reporting in your view?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2015, 03:29:53 PM
Hmmm. If the impression to the average reader is that he wasn't told the truth, i.e. was told a lie as opposed to a balanced proposition that there may have been a muddled communication issue, wouldn't that be libellous?
Step back a second. Some "investigative journalist" writes about an armed robbery in X town and mentioned the fact that the suspected criminal wore a blue necklace. The "investigative journalist" then stated that Jassi, who lives nearby / resembles a suspect / has family in the area, is well-known for wearing a blue necklace (even though there may be 20 other people who also do and several who don't get a mention in the article) and insinuates that you are the the bank robber in question.
Is that impartial reporting in your view?
Reporting seldom is impartial.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 04, 2015, 03:30:55 PM
It isn't libelous to ask the question, Carana. Then for balance - if one is available - you would include any explanation the people concerned had themselves given. If they never did give an explanation themselves then that isn't the fault of the person or persons asking the question.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 04, 2015, 03:45:04 PM
It isn't libelous to ask the question, Carana. Then for balance - if one is available - you would include any explanation the people concerned had themselves given. If they never did give an explanation themselves then that isn't the fault of the person or persons asking the question.
From Carter-Ruck's website:
Determining the meaning of words gives rise to a great degree of uncertainty in a libel action. It is not only the superficial meaning that may be defamatory but also any 'hidden' meaning which can be inferred. There are three levels of meaning to be aware of:
##inference, in other words a meaning that can be read between the lines without any specialist knowledge; and ##innuendo, a meaning which can be attributed to the words by readers who have a specialist knowledge. The onus is on the claimant to show the facts giving rise to the innuendo and that these facts are known to the readers. For example, to say that a person eats meat is not defamatory on its face; if, however, some readers know that the person professes to be a committed vegetarian, the statement may be considered defamatory, suggesting he is hypocritical or dishonest.
The words must be put in their full context, including headings and captions to any photographs. For the purpose of deciding whether words are defamatory, the intention of the author is irrelevant. All that matters is the impression which the words give to readers.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 04, 2015, 04:07:55 PM
Determining the meaning of words gives rise to a great degree of uncertainty in a libel action. It is not only the superficial meaning that may be defamatory but also any 'hidden' meaning which can be inferred. There are three levels of meaning to be aware of:
##inference, in other words a meaning that can be read between the lines without any specialist knowledge; and ##innuendo, a meaning which can be attributed to the words by readers who have a specialist knowledge. The onus is on the claimant to show the facts giving rise to the innuendo and that these facts are known to the readers. For example, to say that a person eats meat is not defamatory on its face; if, however, some readers know that the person professes to be a committed vegetarian, the statement may be considered defamatory, suggesting he is hypocritical or dishonest.
The words must be put in their full context, including headings and captions to any photographs. For the purpose of deciding whether words are defamatory, the intention of the author is irrelevant. All that matters is the impression which the words give to readers.
We have an even better source than the Mighty Ruck- the judgement in the Feb 2013 case. I've read it many times.
Though I'm well aware that doesn't make a lawyer 8(0(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 06, 2015, 11:55:01 AM
I am sure Sonia Poulton will have exclusive material from Dr Amaral, Pat Brown et al for inclusion in her definitive documentary ...
I am particularly interested in what Tony Bennett may have to contribute as he appears to have very firm ideas of the value of her forthcoming oeuvre.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: xtina on January 06, 2015, 01:00:36 PM
The eye opener will be... that things that are not allowed to be said for fear of being sued we all know what]....will be said
Sonia Poulton does not believe maddie was abducted .... so obviously it is the other side of the story that will be told.
If that means she is going to be foolish enough to repeat all the libel, misinformation and long since discredited myths which still abound on the internet - and claim them to be the true facts of the case - but which are being deliberately ignored by those in charge of the investigation - then all I can say is she must have her finger firmly on the 'self-destruct' button.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: xtina on January 07, 2015, 12:43:35 PM
If that means she is going to be foolish enough to repeat all the libel, misinformation and long since discredited myths which still abound on the internet - and claim them to be the true facts of the case - but which are being deliberately ignored by those in charge of the investigation - then all I can say is she must have her finger firmly on the 'self-destruct' button.
now come on......you are not on the investigation ....so you don't know what is being ignored and what isn't....
you don't know either what is libel and what isn't ....as for misinformation ...you are going by the told story ....so lets see what happens when the untold story is shown
not sure what you mean about the self destruct button
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lace on January 07, 2015, 12:46:21 PM
now come on......you are not on the investigation ....so you don't know what is being ignored and what isn't....
you don't know either what is libel and what isn't ....as for misinformation ...you are going by the told story ....so lets see what happens when the untold story is shown
not sure what you mean about the self destruct button
Anything that is written that suggests that the McCanns are liars or that they know what has happened to Madeleine and / or were involved with her disappearance is libel, it's really very simple.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on January 07, 2015, 12:51:26 PM
Anything that is written that suggests that the McCanns are liars or that they know what has happened to Madeleine and / or were involved with her disappearance is libel, it's really very simple.
Bang-on right!
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: xtina on January 07, 2015, 01:21:44 PM
Anything that is written that suggests that the McCanns are liars or that they know what has happened to Madeleine and / or were involved with her disappearance is libel, it's really very simple.
wont be that simple if Goncalo Amaral wins the appeal ...will it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on January 07, 2015, 01:26:37 PM
wont be that simple if Goncalo Amaral wins the appeal ...will it.
fortunately it will.......what happens in Portugal will make no difference to the UK...We all know the law in the UK...SP will have to be very careful and will say very little regarding MAddie....I think her you tube video will be more to do with trolls....there is no untold story about Maddie
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 07, 2015, 01:54:23 PM
Not really. What I wrote earlier is correct and will remain correct until or unless a court of law finds the McCanns guilty of lying and / or having a hand in their child's disappearance. As the current court case is not about ascertaining the McCanns' innocence or guilt it will as I said have absolutely no bearing on what is and is not libel.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 07, 2015, 02:36:19 PM
Not really. What I wrote earlier is correct and will remain correct until or unless a court of law finds the McCanns guilty of lying and / or having a hand in their child's disappearance. As the current court case is not about ascertaining the McCanns' innocence or guilt it will as I said have absolutely no bearing on what is and is not libel.
Anyway ... maybe we are getting the wrong end of the stick here, Alfred.
Maybe Sonia actually has carried out a bit of her very own investigative journalism here and may be about to turn the whole conspiracy theory industry totally on it's head. Maybe her claim of poaching on one other's 'research' is merely an inspired blinder.
We all know there is indeed an untold story to be told regarding Madeleine McCann's disappearance ... it has merely been hinted at in the past ... wonder if Sonia has delved underneath the innuendo and with the old order changing ... is ready to reveal all??
Can't wait to see what she has come up with :)
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on January 07, 2015, 04:43:59 PM
Anything that is written that suggests that the McCanns are liars or that they know what has happened to Madeleine and / or were involved with her disappearance is libel, it's really very simple.
[ moderated ]
I find it quite amusing that someone is being 'dissed' and they haven't done anything yet!
The untold story may well be another theory and a passing mention of the behavior of McCanns and their merry band of supporters of the 'abduction' theory.. They have money to sue.. let them sue away..
It was nice to see Team McCann had full support for their reputations on xmas day and over the holidays oh 24/7 is very,very enthusiastic! Well done- get a badge or free wrist band maybe?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 07, 2015, 09:52:20 PM
She can say what she likes, but there could be consequences: I'd bet not because she's already too tainted by association with Icke etc. anyway.
Don't you mean that Icke has been tainted by association with Poulton? Any idea what happened to the alleged tell all documentary she was going to make on him?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 07, 2015, 10:02:09 PM
Don't you mean that Icke has been tainted by association with Poulton? Any idea what happened to the alleged tell all documentary she was going to make on him?
Nope I don't mean that, I'm not an Icke fan. I know nothing about any documentary about him &%&£(+
At least Icke isn't Katie Hopkins though. Awfully boring woman 8)--))
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 07, 2015, 10:19:35 PM
Hopefully Hopkins just ended her 'career' by going into CBB ?>)()<
By this time next year, after her sensational and explosive video and front-page battle with the McCanns, perhaps Sonia will have risen high enough on the celeb Z list to get her own place on CBB too @)(++(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 07, 2015, 10:49:05 PM
Hopefully Hopkins just ended her 'career' by going into CBB ?>)()<
"O tempora o mores" ... just a sign of the times ... the bigger and more outrageous the gob the better it goes down ... particularly if that is accompanied by a charisma bypass ... so I think she may be around for some time to come.
I would rather stick pins in my eyes than watch Celebrity Big Brother ... and I won't be making an exception.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 07, 2015, 10:51:54 PM
By this time next year, after her sensational and explosive video and front-page battle with the McCanns, perhaps Sonia will have risen high enough on the celeb Z list to get her own place on CBB too @)(++(*
Don't joke. They may get her into this year's yet, for a Hopkins v Poulton confrontation nobody really cares about 8)--))
I'd get Michael Barrymore back in there. He was great. Barrymore v Hopkins I'd watch.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 07, 2015, 11:09:25 PM
Does anyone know why Sonia wishes to out a McCann supporter on her video? Has anyone got any a view about whether or not this is a good idea and how exactly could it help get justice for Madeleine? Or is it simply about retribution for Brenda?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 07, 2015, 11:19:51 PM
Does anyone know why Sonia wishes to out a McCann supporter on her video? Has anyone got any a view about whether or not this is a good idea and how exactly could it help get justice for Madeleine? Or is it simply about retribution for Brenda?
&%+((£ The whole thread is full of answers to questions like this?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on January 07, 2015, 11:40:34 PM
&%+((£ The whole thread is full of answers to questions like this?
Indeed Lyall.
Lest we forget this is a situation of the McCanns and their supporters making. If the dossier was to highlight the abuse of the couple then it should have been left to the police to take the necessary steps to see that that happened. Of course the faithful expected arrests and the martyrdom of the McCanns again reinforced through tabloid news of those arrests. By the end of September when nothing had happened, and with the faithful's need for revenge still unsated, drastic measures were called for which, as we now know, ultimately lead to the doorstepping of Brenda and her untimely death.
Those who choose to live by the sword, may ultimately die by it.
The dossier compiler was quite happy for Brenda Leyland's privacy to be ripped apart. Isn't it then rather churlish of her to complain when the same fate threatens her ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on January 07, 2015, 11:41:36 PM
Does anyone know why Sonia wishes to out a McCann supporter on her video? Has anyone got any a view about whether or not this is a good idea and how exactly could it help get justice for Madeleine? Or is it simply about retribution for Brenda?
What ever the reasons why do you care? Brenda's death, as you have displayed, is of no consequence to you. Her death does not have a personal impact on your life does it? Your behavour and response suggest she deserved to die because of what she did to the McCanns.(?).and yet you seem unperturbed that the McCanns brought this whole sorry mess upon themselves.
I personally do not agree with all of Brenda's views, and I certainly don't do twitter or facebook, however, Brenda had opinions and had every right to express them without fear or intimidation!
We are entitled to hear ALL the theories of everyone no matter how much we disagree, and if Kate McCann can dish out vile rants about people so can others!
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 08, 2015, 12:14:09 AM
Lest we forget this is a situation of the McCanns and their supporters making. If the dossier was to highlight the abuse of the couple then it should have been left to the police to take the necessary steps to see that that happened. Of course the faithful expected arrests and the martyrdom of the McCanns again reinforced through tabloid news of those arrests. By the end of September when nothing had happened, and with the faithful's need for revenge still unsated, drastic measures were called for which, as we now know, ultimately lead to the doorstepping of Brenda and her untimely death.
Those who choose to live by the sword, may ultimately die by it.
The dossier compiler was quite happy for Brenda Leyland's privacy to be ripped apart. Isn't it then rather churlish of her to complain when the same fate threatens her ?
&%+((£ I hear you Faith but can't agree. Sky News (and allies) were bursting to take some action and this 'dossier' was only an excuse. We should be asking why that is instead of confirming everything they believe about us, as people (not us) have been doing.
It was Sky News and the Mail who identified Brenda, not whoever made this 'dossier'.
I don't doubt that whoever made it was hoping police would do something, but they didn't command TV to get involved did they. Sky News just needed an excuse. But if it hadn't been this it would have been something else sooner or later.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on January 08, 2015, 12:28:59 AM
&%+((£ I hear you Faith but can't agree. Sky News (and allies) were bursting to take some action and this 'dossier' was only an excuse. We should be asking why that is instead of confirming everything they believe about us, as people (not us) have been doing.
It was Sky News and the Mail who identified Brenda, not whoever made this 'dossier'.
I don't doubt that whoever made it was hoping police would do something, but they didn't command TV to get involved did they. Sky News just needed an excuse. But if it hadn't been this it would have been something else sooner or later.
Are you suggesting the compiler of the dossier did not mention Brenda by name? and are you also suggesting the compiler of the dossier had no input regarding the dossier getting into the hands of the media? was it not SKY News WHO BROKE THE MADDIE STORY EARLY IN THE MORNING on the day she disappeared? who owns SKY NEWS? who owned News of The World-Sun news papers- who serialized Kate's book? WHO WORKED FOR THESE PEOPLE and got David Cameron to commit millions of pounds to 'find Maddie'...Oh is it just me who can see the elephant in the room?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 08, 2015, 12:40:32 AM
Are you suggesting the compiler of the dossier did not mention Brenda by name? and are you also suggesting the compiler of the dossier had no input regarding the dossier getting into the hands of the media? was it not SKY News WHO BROKE THE MADDIE STORY EARLY IN THE MORNING on the day she disappeared? who owns SKY NEWS? who owned News of The World-Sun news papers- who serialized Kate's book? WHO WORKED FOR THESE PEOPLE and got David Cameron to commit millions of pounds to 'find Maddie'...Oh is it just me who can see the elephant in the room?
The answers to your first two questions are we don't know, but people have been behaving as though they do know. But in any case if someone did hand it to TV they didn't command/force them to do something with it did they. Sky News producers decided to take action.
I'm aware of the history of Murdoch's papers in the case, but The Sun has actually touched it the least since they hit their own troubles in 2011.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on January 08, 2015, 12:44:22 AM
&%+((£ I hear you Faith but can't agree. Sky News (and allies) were bursting to take some action and this 'dossier' was only an excuse. We should be asking why that is instead of confirming everything they believe about us, as people (not us) have been doing.
It was Sky News and the Mail who identified Brenda, not whoever made this 'dossier'.
I don't doubt that whoever made it was hoping police would do something, but they didn't command TV to get involved did they. Sky News just needed an excuse. But if it hadn't been this it would have been something else sooner or later.
TBH Lyall it has gotten to the point where it's almost impossible to know who's pulling whose strings.
While I absolutely agree that the dossier compiler didn't identify Brenda, she was certainly on the supporter's radar and they did pass the information to Sky when it should have remained exclusively in the hands of the police. The dossier compiler wasn't a young ingenue naive to the way of the media. They had seen how the McCanns had been treated when made arguidos and must have been only too aware, knowing the value of any McCann-related story, what Sky would do with the information.
That Sky are equally to blame is undeniable but this was a symbiotic relationship and without both their participation Brenda Leyland would in all likelihood be alive today.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 08, 2015, 01:26:38 AM
TBH Lyall it has gotten to the point where it's almost impossible to know who's pulling whose strings.
While I absolutely agree that the dossier compiler didn't identify Brenda, she was certainly on the supporter's radar and they did pass the information to Sky when it should have remained exclusively in the hands of the police. The dossier compiler wasn't a young ingenue naive to the way of the media. They had seen how the McCanns had been treated when made arguidos and must have been only too aware, knowing the value of any McCann-related story, what Sky would do with the information.
That Sky are equally to blame is undeniable but this was a symbiotic relationship and without both their participation Brenda Leyland would in all likelihood be alive today.
The media was already well aware of social media activity and this 'dossier' was just text that was public anyway on twitter or facebook?
And Sky News didn't need to be told what people had been saying online because Burley had already as good as told us we were being watched.
I obviously can't prove it but it's possible Brunt's programme would have happened anyway sooner or later with or without this 'dossier'. They could just have printed tweets and posts themselves. The involvement of an anonymous person just made it 'better TV' for them.
There can't be much doubt after what Burley said that they were already personally involved, even if they hadn't yet done anything - and that was before S&S's book was published, with all that happened before and afterwards.
I just think a witchhunt for someone who just printed information that was already public is just that - a witchhunt. No good will come from it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 08, 2015, 01:48:07 AM
One thing we can be certain of is that they're all still watching us. Media I mean.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 08, 2015, 02:26:49 AM
People are confusing the undoubted wish of dossier person or persons to cause trouble for people - via police firstly, and TV secondly - with the mediums that actually did the damage. But legally all the dossier producer did was print information already in the public domain, and any one of us could do the same if so motivated.
Big problem if person or persons are identified and anything happens.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: slartibartfast on January 08, 2015, 07:39:05 AM
Does anyone know why Sonia wishes to out a McCann supporter on her video? Has anyone got any a view about whether or not this is a good idea and how exactly could it help get justice for Madeleine? Or is it simply about retribution for Brenda?
Perhaps she has found a supporter with close links to the McCanns and thinks it will make the general public believe all supporters are shills?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 08, 2015, 07:52:36 AM
Perhaps she has found a supporter with close links to the McCanns and thinks it will make the general public believe all supporters are shills?
Are you so deluded that you really think that posters on her are being paid by the mccanns...I have been accused by one poster on here as being close to the mccanns...how absolutely barmy some people are...all it shows are the doubters logic really is way off the mark
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 08, 2015, 08:11:32 AM
Lest we forget this is a situation of the McCanns and their supporters making. If the dossier was to highlight the abuse of the couple then it should have been left to the police to take the necessary steps to see that that happened. Of course the faithful expected arrests and the martyrdom of the McCanns again reinforced through tabloid news of those arrests. By the end of September when nothing had happened, and with the faithful's need for revenge still unsated, drastic measures were called for which, as we now know, ultimately lead to the doorstepping of Brenda and her untimely death.
Those who choose to live by the sword, may ultimately die by it.
The dossier compiler was quite happy for Brenda Leyland's privacy to be ripped apart. Isn't it then rather churlish of her to complain when the same fate threatens her ?
So it is all about Old Testament retribution then? Just as I thought. I'd say it was supremely hypocritical of Sonia and her supporters to doorstep and expose individuals when not long ago they were braying for Brunt's blood for doing precisely the same thing.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 08, 2015, 08:17:32 AM
Why should a McCann supporter fear being outed......
I would fear it for the simple reason that I think some "sceptics" are so deranged they would go out of their way to harm my business and personal relationships.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 08, 2015, 10:31:41 AM
I would fear it for the simple reason that I think some "sceptics" are so deranged they would go out of their way to harm my business and personal relationships.
I understand what you are saying...so it is not the outing and taking responsibility for your views but the potential criminal actions by nutters...I actually don't think these "cyber warriors" have got the guts to do anything in the real world...there's always the odd nutter though so I understand what you are saying.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 08, 2015, 10:33:57 AM
this tweet by poulton just about sums her up...what about some sympathy for the victims...
Islamophobes are having multiple orgasms on Twitter. They love nothing more than something to re-inforce prejudice. More tragic, the better...
what an awful person she is...the doubters are welcome to have someone like that to support their twisted views.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on January 08, 2015, 10:52:24 AM
I understand what you are saying...so it is not the outing and taking responsibility for your views but the potential criminal actions by nutters...I actually don't think these "cyber warriors" have got the guts to do anything in the real world...there's always the odd nutter though so I understand what you are saying.
IIRC major attempts were made to destroy the reputation of a person who was 'outed' by some sceptics on Twitter who decided that she was ...... ............ - a witness in the McCann case. Disgusting comments were made about her- some from BL.
I wonder if Sonia will include that in her video.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 08, 2015, 12:44:49 PM
this tweet by poulton just about sums her up...what about some sympathy for the victims...
Islamophobes are having multiple orgasms on Twitter. They love nothing more than something to re-inforce prejudice. More tragic, the better...
what an awful person she is...the doubters are welcome to have someone like that to support their twisted views.
To be fair she has a point there %£&)**#
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 08, 2015, 01:01:26 PM
As Sonya Poulton spends that much time on Twitter I really don't know what else she expects. Those people are all mad. I haven't read anything Islamophobic in the last couple of days.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 08, 2015, 01:14:04 PM
As Sonya Poulton spends that much time on Twitter I really don't know what else she expects. Those people are all mad. I haven't read anything Islamophobic in the last couple of days.
One word: Farage 8()(((@#
But even Jon Snow's initial reaction was it's a "clash of civilisations" when actually it's just a few very angry men.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 08, 2015, 01:47:42 PM
But even Jon Snow's initial reaction was it's a "clash of civilisations" when actually it's just a few very angry men.
Don't know about that, Lyall ... I think there are more than a few very angry men and women out there.
However, back to the star of the show ... isn't it about time the euphemism "asking questions" was replaced by something approximating what is actually going on.
There is usually a good reason for blocking comments ... it is a regular occurrence on newspapers some of whom don't even bother to allow comment on Madeleine McCann related articles ... and there is something mildly disquieting about those who participate and revel in such meaningless trivia.
How appropriate that Sonia Poulton is massaging the target audience for her 'documentary' firmly in their prejudices ... but in doing so she she shreds all pretence to unbiased journalism.
Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton · 18 hrs 18 hours ago If you have been blocked by @missingpeople and/or @findmadeleine for asking questions (non-abusive), please favourite this tweet. TY #mccann
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 08, 2015, 01:54:56 PM
Don't know about that, Lyall ... I think there are more than a few very angry men and women out there.
However, back to the star of the show ... isn't it about time the euphemism "asking questions" was replaced by something approximating what is actually going on.
There is usually a good reason for blocking comments ... it is a regular occurrence on newspapers some of whom don't even bother to allow comment on Madeleine McCann related articles ... and there is something mildly disquieting about those who participate and revel in such meaningless trivia.
How appropriate that Sonia Poulton is massaging the target audience for her 'documentary' firmly in their prejudices ... but in doing so she she shreds all pretence to unbiased journalism.
Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton · 18 hrs 18 hours ago If you have been blocked by @missingpeople and/or @findmadeleine for asking questions (non-abusive), please favourite this tweet. TY #mccann
Sonia and her supporters can't see there's a big lobby, it's not just the obvious high profile people or organisations.
Kay Burley blocked me 8(8-)) and doubtless others too.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on January 08, 2015, 01:57:02 PM
Don't know about that, Lyall ... I think there are more than a few very angry men and women out there.
However, back to the star of the show ... isn't it about time the euphemism "asking questions" was replaced by something approximating what is actually going on.
There is usually a good reason for blocking comments ... it is a regular occurrence on newspapers some of whom don't even bother to allow comment on Madeleine McCann related articles ... and there is something mildly disquieting about those who participate and revel in such meaningless trivia.
How appropriate that Sonia Poulton is massaging the target audience for her 'documentary' firmly in their prejudices ... but in doing so she she shreds all pretence to unbiased journalism.
Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton · 18 hrs 18 hours ago If you have been blocked by @missingpeople and/or @findmadeleine for asking questions (non-abusive), please favourite this tweet. TY #mccann
I'm not sure SP claims to be unbiased just as I imagine Carol Malone and Lorraine Kelly wouldn't either when reporting on this case.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 08, 2015, 02:06:08 PM
Sonia and her supporters can't see there's a big lobby, it's not just the obvious high profile people or organisations.
Kay Burley blocked me 8(8-)) and doubtless others too.
As I say, there is usually a good reason for blocking people.
I have always found you to be the soul of reason and polite with it ... so I would say from my slight acquaintance with you that if Kay Burley blocked you ... 8(8-)) it might be as a result of the company you keep 8(8-))
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 08, 2015, 02:06:25 PM
I think it is in terrible taste...she should have at least shown some sympathy for murdered victims...rather says a lot about you
No it doesn't. It's perfectly legitimate, healthy (and democratic!) for people to point out that some are using this tragedy to further their own agendas.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 08, 2015, 02:15:52 PM
As I say, there is usually a good reason for blocking people.
I have always found you to be the soul of reason and polite with it ... so I would say from my slight acquaintance with you that if Kay Burley blocked you ... 8(8-)) it might be as a result of the company you keep 8(8-))
8)-))) Probably right.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 09, 2015, 07:57:31 AM
No it doesn't. It's perfectly legitimate, healthy (and democratic!) for people to point out that some are using this tragedy to further their own agendas.
poulton is using the tragedy to further her agenda...I have seen no backlash against islaam on twitter...she has shown no sympathy for the victims....
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 15, 2015, 01:24:11 PM
According to Sonia Poulton, McCann supporters have tried to have her removed from broadcast programs.
That on twitter, and that would no it be surprising.
Je suis Charlie.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 15, 2015, 01:31:05 PM
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 15, 2015, 05:47:04 PM
Here's one for all the "Je Suis Charlie" sceptics - don't all rush at once @)(++(*
Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton 1h1 hour ago #journorequest am looking for a passionate #mccann anti, prepared to be identified for a newspaper feature. Chance to put case forward.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: DCI on January 15, 2015, 06:56:09 PM
She was not on Talk Back today, as she claimed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04wjqms
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 15, 2015, 06:57:10 PM
Here's one for all the "Je Suis Charlie" sceptics - don't all rush at once @)(++(*
Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton 1h1 hour ago #journorequest am looking for a passionate #mccann anti, prepared to be identified for a newspaper feature. Chance to put case forward.
so she wants to put forward only the sceptic side ...what a surprise...who will take her seriously...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: lordpookles on January 15, 2015, 08:17:08 PM
If she was looking for supporters Dave would you be willing to put yourself forward as a supporter or anyone? Would obviously make a much more interesting documentary if we heard various viewpoints...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 15, 2015, 08:18:46 PM
If she was looking for supporters Dave would you be willing to put yourself forward as a supporter or anyone? Would obviously make a much more interesting documentary if we heard various viewpoints...
As I have posted before...it simply isn't safe because of anonymity of posters... I have actually put myself forward before to support a minority and came in for some awful abuse from people like Leyland...and others on here...if I was single...no children and did not work...then I probably would
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carana on January 15, 2015, 08:24:24 PM
Here's one for all the "Je Suis Charlie" sceptics - don't all rush at once @)(++(*
Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton 1h1 hour ago #journorequest am looking for a passionate #mccann anti, prepared to be identified for a newspaper feature. Chance to put case forward.
Oh dear. Even if she were to also ask "passionate" pro Mccanns for their opinions for a feature, is this what is now considered to be investigative journalism?
Just asking...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: lordpookles on January 15, 2015, 08:41:02 PM
I think I can imagine that dave whether skeptic or supporter would not be an easy ride.
Well any decent investigative reporting has seemed sparse(I was put off by the summers/swann book opening few pages - may try again). If there was a documentary which enabled a debate from various quarters and as long as the voice of the documentary did not have a particular bias right off the bat and tried to reach an honest conclusion and whether that conclusion was ambiguous it would in my opinion tick a lot of the boxes. I doubt that is what we will get here... What kind of documentary would folk like to see?
This article in the telegraph sums up the case for me and seems fair/honest(you can no doubt argue a few points, but most is just facts) as far as my knowledge allows and I don't see how anyone here is any the wiser: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11078595/Madeleine-McCann-are-we-any-closer-to-knowing-the-truth.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11078595/Madeleine-McCann-are-we-any-closer-to-knowing-the-truth.html)
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 15, 2015, 10:57:28 PM
You've got to laugh. Five hours ago someone posted up Sonia's appeal for a passionate anti to stand up and be counted, on the world's largest McCann "sceptic" Facebook page, the one with over 24,000 members. It received one like and one comment. Je Suis Chicken would be more apt in this instance... @)(++(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 15, 2015, 11:13:15 PM
You've got to laugh. Five hours ago someone posted up Sonia's appeal for a passionate anti to stand up and be counted, on the world's largest McCann "sceptic" Facebook page, the one with over 24,000 members. It received one like and one comment. Je Suis Chicken would be more apt in this instance... @)(++(*
Stand up and be counted where? &%+((£
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 15, 2015, 11:18:53 PM
Wherever it is Pointy Poulton intends for her passionate 'Auntie' to voice her beliefs and tell the world about her crusade for justice for Maddie and Brenda.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 15, 2015, 11:20:19 PM
Wherever it is Pointy Poulton intends for her passionate 'Auntie' to voice her beliefs and tell the world about her crusade for justice for Maddie and Brenda.
I checked it on twitter and she says it's sorted now. Who knows what moves &%+((£
'Auntie'? I'm clearly out of touch.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 15, 2015, 11:22:08 PM
You've got to laugh. Five hours ago someone posted up Sonia's appeal for a passionate anti to stand up and be counted, on the world's largest McCann "sceptic" Facebook page, the one with over 24,000 members. It received one like and one comment. Je Suis Chicken would be more apt in this instance... @)(++(*
So the learned people who are the core contributors of SP's painstaking research aren't too keen to put themselves up for a newspaper article as requested ... very interesting.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on January 16, 2015, 12:39:31 AM
So the learned people who are the core contributors of SP's painstaking research aren't too keen to put themselves up for a newspaper article as requested ... very interesting.
It would seem to be the main protagonists of the dossier debacle who aren't too keen to open themselves up to scrutiny....not, it seems, that they now will have much choice in the matter.
There's nothing quieter than rats desertng a sinking ship 8)-)))
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 16, 2015, 07:10:56 AM
It would seem to be the main protagonists of the dossier debacle who aren't too keen to open themselves up to scrutiny....not, it seems, that they now will have much choice in the matter.
There's nothing quieter than rats desertng a sinking ship 8)-)))
Indeed they were quite happy for Brenda Leyland to be fed to the sharks, but do not have the round spherical objects to place themselves in the same situation.
Hence the attacks on Poulton, which will obviously increase, as they FEAR which of them will be exposed to public scrutiny
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 16, 2015, 08:01:31 AM
Indeed they were quite happy for Brenda Leyland to be fed to the sharks, but do not have the round spherical objects to place themselves in the same situation.
Hence the attacks on Poulton, which will obviously increase, as they FEAR which of them will be exposed to public scrutiny
Sonia Poulton will show the sceptic movement for what it really is......total misguided conspiracy rubbish...I'm so looking forward to anything she may produce.....going by her past track record which you seem unaware of...it will be hilarious and show that the sceptics should not be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 16, 2015, 09:09:09 AM
Sonia Poulton will show the sceptic movement for what it really is......total misguided conspiracy rubbish...I'm so looking forward to anything she may produce.....going by her past track record which you seem unaware of...it will be hilarious and show that the sceptics should not be taken seriously.
Well you and others are going to be very disappointed from a variety of perspectives.
Any hilarity which ensues, and I use that word advisedly, will come from the those with the peculiar beliefs, including the 'second comers'.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 16, 2015, 09:56:46 AM
Sonia Poulton will show the sceptic movement for what it really is......total misguided conspiracy rubbish...I'm so looking forward to anything she may produce.....going by her past track record which you seem unaware of...it will be hilarious and show that the sceptics should not be taken seriously.
I think no-one is taking them seriously and no-one in the real world is the least bit bothered by them. I think there are an awful lot of people out there who have absolutely no idea who Sonia Poulton is and who, if they did would care even less. I know I didn't until fairly recently ... and what I have discovered about her since ... is hardly edifying.
Quite obviously to be considered a journalist one should aspire just a little higher than publishing drivel on FB or Twitter ...
No headlines or news topics were found matching 'Sonia Poulton' http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?JavaScript=1&lang=&search=Sonia+Poulton
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 16, 2015, 10:07:48 AM
I think no-one is taking them seriously and no-one in the real world is the least bit bothered by them. I think there are an awful lot of people out there who have absolutely no idea who Sonia Poulton is and who, if they did would care even less. I know I didn't until fairly recently ... and what I have discovered about her since ... is hardly edifying.
Quite obviously to be considered a journalist one should aspire just a little higher than publishing drivel on FB or Twitter ...
No headlines or news topics were found matching 'Sonia Poulton' http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?JavaScript=1&lang=&search=Sonia+Poulton
Have you forgotten the plethora of xenophobic rants from the journalists in the UK during this case
Let's face it compared to them, Poulton is a novice.
Now if she is nothing to worry about, then the mccann supporters don't need to comment about her, unless of course they are lting and don't want to be exposed to the mainstream.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on January 16, 2015, 10:12:21 AM
I think no-one is taking them seriously and no-one in the real world is the least bit bothered by them. I think there are an awful lot of people out there who have absolutely no idea who Sonia Poulton is and who, if they did would care even less. I know I didn't until fairly recently ... and what I have discovered about her since ... is hardly edifying.
Quite obviously to be considered a journalist one should aspire just a little higher than publishing drivel on FB or Twitter ...
No headlines or news topics were found matching 'Sonia Poulton' http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?JavaScript=1&lang=&search=Sonia+Poulton
The Daily Mail have used her articles many, many times.
Have you forgotten the plethora of xenophobic rants from the journalists in the UK during this case
Let's face it compared to them, Poulton is a novice.
Now if she is nothing to worry about, then the mccann supporters don't need to comment about her, unless of course they are lting and don't want to be exposed to the mainstream.
The journalistic "rant" which rather sticks in my mind is ... 100% MADDIE'S DNA ... which is a lie certain people just can't let go of.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on January 16, 2015, 10:40:49 AM
One article dated 2014 ... does not a summer make or pay the mortgage.
Still ... I am certain sure the msm will jump up and take note of her all important, all revealing documentary ... won't they?? 8(0(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on January 16, 2015, 10:45:29 AM
Apparently below is a quote from Sonia Poulton. If I was a conspiracy theorist - I'd be a little bit worried about exactly what her video is going to be about? Especially if I was one of the trolls who rushed to contact her - with the troof - and had given her all my details.
QUOTE Freedom of speech should not include the freedom to bully and spread lies. Perhaps by exposing trolls it will serve as a warning that our society is no longer prepared to tolerate abuse. (Sonia Poulton) UNQUOTE
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 16, 2015, 10:47:10 AM
Why on earth not. No one had even heard of her until she latched on to The McCann Affair. Which is probably why she did it.
Such a pity she didn't pick her audience a little more carefully. But no doubt some will blame The McCanns when Poulton's career finally crashes and burns for all time.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on January 16, 2015, 11:19:13 AM
Why on earth not. No one had even heard of her until she latched on to The McCann Affair. Which is probably why she did it.
Such a pity she didn't pick her audience a little more carefully. But no doubt some will blame The McCanns when Poulton's career finally crashes and burns for all time.
The radio silence from one of the McCann big-hitters suggests Miss Poulton is bang on the money when it comes to her research.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on January 16, 2015, 11:25:04 AM
Why on earth not. No one had even heard of her until she latched on to The McCann Affair. Which is probably why she did it.
Such a pity she didn't pick her audience a little more carefully. But no doubt some will blame The McCanns when Poulton's career finally crashes and burns for all time.
I wouldn't bet on that. 8(0(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 16, 2015, 11:39:20 AM
What would you call them? You have to go some to get suspended from Twitter.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 16, 2015, 12:06:09 PM
"Gang" is the correct word.
Gang:- a group of people with compatible tastes or mutual interests who gather together for social reasons: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gang
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 16, 2015, 12:07:39 PM
I seriously think it would be a good idea for the Unfaithful to start a fund for Sonia now, I think she may need it, every little helps.
Good afternoon sir; clue us in on the definitions of "seriously" & "think" that you rely in this instance. Some people are daft enough to start a fund for anything. Remember the very short lived (thankfully) "Save Freddie Laker Fund" ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on January 16, 2015, 01:15:24 PM
I'll give her her due. She actually writes quite well.
Why the hell did she get latched on to ridiculous and unsustainable theMcCannsdunit conspiracy theories?
And particularly as one whose own mental health seems, at times, to have been a little fragile, why on earth does she not have more compassion for a couple suffering the emotion and trauma of a missing (and quite possibly dead) loved and cherished daughter?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on January 16, 2015, 01:16:07 PM
What would you call them? You have to go some to get suspended from Twitter.
Is there a collective noun for twits?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 16, 2015, 02:27:44 PM
Living as I do in a rural backwater where we have only recently dispensed with the services of village scribes, village readers and cleft stick runners I do not engage with (anti)social media. However I note that if I Google: "Sonia Poulton Madeleine McCann Video" top of the shop is an item from this forum on December 26th 2014. Should that tell us something?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 16, 2015, 02:48:54 PM
Living as I do in a rural backwater where we have only recently dispensed with the services of village scribes, village readers and cleft stick runners I do not engage with (anti)social media. However I note that if I Google: "Sonia Poulton Madeleine McCann Video" top of the shop is an item from this forum on December 26th 2014. Should that tell us something?
I have no idea, as to what you are referring, Alice, and I do not have the time to google search, so if you have something of importance to tell us, then please do
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 16, 2015, 02:50:14 PM
Apparently below is a quote from Sonia Poulton. If I was a conspiracy theorist - I'd be a little bit worried about exactly what her video is going to be about? Especially if I was one of the trolls who rushed to contact her - with the troof - and had given her all my details.
QUOTE Freedom of speech should not include the freedom to bully and spread lies. Perhaps by exposing trolls it will serve as a warning that our society is no longer prepared to tolerate abuse. (Sonia Poulton) UNQUOTE
If that first paragraph has given me food for thought ... I think, were I one of Sonia Poulton's 'associates' ... it would be giving me banquets.
She certainly hasn't been much sought after of late ... and I think even she is intelligent enough able to read the runes that her present dalliances are most certainly not the way to rectify that situation.
However ... "The Untold Story" ... well in large part that certainly could be a well entitled piece which might even hit the MSM. Oh the wonders of undercover investigative journalism!
I wonder if any of her 'researchers' or could that be 'interviewees' were stupid enough to 'Skype' her with their well thought out theories.
She was rather effusive in her praise for them after all, saying she just couldn't have done it without them if memory serves me well ( I would have said she had a rather self satisfied grin on her face ... but how could one tell what it was?)
I think you have hit on something here, Benice.
Forget the McCann Dossier ... this one might actually cause much more collateral damage ... and get her talked about ... which I think is all she really cares about.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 16, 2015, 03:30:17 PM
If that first paragraph has given me food for thought ... I think, were I one of Sonia Poulton's 'associates' ... it would be giving me banquets.
She certainly hasn't been much sought after of late ... and I think even she is intelligent enough able to read the runes that her present dalliances are most certainly not the way to rectify that situation.
However ... "The Untold Story" ... well in large part that certainly could be a well entitled piece which might even hit the MSM. Oh the wonders of undercover investigative journalism!
I wonder if any of her 'researchers' or could that be 'interviewees' were stupid enough to 'Skype' her with their well thought out theories.
She was rather effusive in her praise for them after all, saying she just couldn't have done it without them if memory serves me well ( I would have said she had a rather self satisfied grin on her face ... but how could one tell what it was?)
I think you have hit on something here, Benice.
Forget the McCann Dossier ... this one might actually cause much more collateral damage ... and get her talked about ... which I think is all she really cares about.
I'd watch her October video again, Brietta. That wasn't fake.
But what her strategy is with the film is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 16, 2015, 04:05:11 PM
I have no idea, as to what you are referring, Alice, and I do not have the time to google search, so if you have something of importance to tell us, then please do
Oh dear! I doubt in the general scheme of things much is of importance on here anyway, however moving swiftly on my point was there seems to be little of substance regarding the forth coming video from Sonia Poulton, that reveals all, if one "Googles" it. There may be a lot on tw(a)itter and facebook but is that relevant?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 16, 2015, 04:23:49 PM
I'd watch her October video again, Brietta. That wasn't fake.
But what her strategy is with the film is anyone's guess.
How can you possibly be so cruel ... isn't watching it once enough for anyone??
I wonder if she even knows what her strategy may turn out to be ... personally speaking, it will be very much what she intends to be good for her, so whatever it is it will be tailored to suit events at the time of release ... should it ever see the light of day ... and she has full ownership and editorial control of her material to do with basically as she pleases.
Joy oh Joy ... all that freedom of expression ... from someone trying to lever into mainstream ... a heaven sent once in a lifetime opportunity.
Had I contacted her in any way (Skype LOL) ... I would be reviewing very carefully what I may have said, bearing in mind the full editorial control thingy ... and maybe arranging an urgent date with my lawyer or my psychiatrist ... might be worth trying the insanity plea ... because it might work for any one giving her that amount of control.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 16, 2015, 04:24:29 PM
Oh dear! I doubt in the general scheme of things much is of importance on here anyway, however moving swiftly on my point was there seems to be little of substance regarding the forth coming video from Sonia Poulton, that reveals all, if one "Googles" it. There may be a lot on tw(a)itter and facebook but is that relevant?
Do you not think that having it all on here in one thread showing both sides, is much better than bits all over the place.
On saying that, however, I do believe that she has her own webpage/blog. How informative that is, I do not know.
And I agree that there seems to be very little information anywhere about her forthcoming video documentary, on the web, except for forums.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 16, 2015, 05:09:18 PM
How can you possibly be so cruel ... isn't watching it once enough for anyone??
I wonder if she even knows what her strategy may turn out to be ... personally speaking, it will be very much what she intends to be good for her, so whatever it is it will be tailored to suit events at the time of release ... should it ever see the light of day ... and she has full ownership and editorial control of her material to do with basically as she pleases.
Joy oh Joy ... all that freedom of expression ... from someone trying to lever into mainstream ... a heaven sent once in a lifetime opportunity.
Had I contacted her in any way (Skype LOL) ... I would be reviewing very carefully what I may have said, bearing in mind the full editorial control thingy ... and maybe arranging an urgent date with my lawyer or my psychiatrist ... might be worth trying the insanity plea ... because it might work for any one giving her that amount of control.
Don't worry, I've never contacted her (apart from a few tweets) 8(>((
But I think you may be right: she doesn't know the strategy (because it's far from easy, unless you really don't care about consequences).
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 16, 2015, 05:33:38 PM
Sonia Poulton has already stated that she doesn't care if this ends her "Journalistic Career", which is probably a good thing.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 16, 2015, 05:49:06 PM
Sonia Poulton has already stated that she doesn't care if this ends her "Journalistic Career", which is probably a good thing.
that's a bit reckless. This video certainly won't be the making of her, and could end up destroying her career and bankrupting her into the bargain - oh well, I'm sure she knows what she's doing, just like Bennett knew what he was doing.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 16, 2015, 06:17:55 PM
Do you not think that having it all on here in one thread showing both sides, is much better than bits all over the place.
On saying that, however, I do believe that she has her own webpage/blog. How informative that is, I do not know.
And I agree that there seems to be very little information anywhere about her forthcoming video documentary, on the web, except for forums.
Sorry Anna we may have been at cross purposes here. If one Googles the whole bit about Sonia Poulton and the video, the top result is this thread. I find it odd "we" are the top result; either not much is going on or it is "top secret" (hardly likely). Her webpage reveals next to nothing. Oh well no doubt we will find out in about eight to ten weeks. I can scarcely wait!
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 16, 2015, 06:24:44 PM
Sorry Anna we may have been at cross purposes here. If one Googles the whole bit about Sonia Poulton and the video, the top result is this thread. I find it odd "we" are the top result; either not much is going on or it is "top secret" (hardly likely). Her webpage reveals next to nothing. Oh well no doubt we will find out in about eight to ten weeks. I can scarcely wait!
Yes, I hope it is worth the waiting, too, Alice.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 16, 2015, 06:35:26 PM
Sonia Poulton has already stated that she doesn't care if this ends her "Journalistic Career", which is probably a good thing.
Easy to say that months before you release the thing. Hall certainly didn't throw caution to the wind, and I wouldn't expect Sonia too either. But the history shows us that a great many believe what happens in the Lisbon courts has implications for London, when it really doesn't (I think). I guess they may make that mistake again (assuming things turn out as they hope in Lisbon).
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 16, 2015, 06:40:02 PM
Easy to say that months before you release the thing. Hall certainly didn't throw caution to the wind, and I wouldn't expect Sonia too either. But the history shows us that a great many believe what happens in the Lisbon courts has implications for London, when it really doesn't (I think). I guess they may make that mistake again (assuming things turn out as they hope in Lisbon).
what happens in Lisbon has no implications for London
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 16, 2015, 06:46:59 PM
what happens in Lisbon has no implications for London
We're not lawyers. EU law is obviously the same, but UK and Portuguese law different.
But in any case in London you do definitely have make some effort at least to be balanced, and I can't see the people Sonia has been communicating with being in the mood to do that. Hopefully she has got other advice also.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 16, 2015, 06:47:56 PM
Easy to say that months before you release the thing. Hall certainly didn't throw caution to the wind, and I wouldn't expect Sonia too either. But the history shows us that a great many believe what happens in the Lisbon courts has implications for London, when it really doesn't (I think). I guess they may make that mistake again (assuming things turn out as they hope in Lisbon).
I think you might be right. What she is doing at the moment could well be all hype just to get noticed. A screeching harridan she might be, but I don't think she is stupid.
But why would Sonia Poulton think that what happens in Lisbon would affect London? Who in London, do you think?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 16, 2015, 06:53:21 PM
I think you might be right. What she is doing at the moment could well be all hype just to get noticed. A screeching harridan she might be, but I don't think she is stupid.
But why would Sonia Poulton think that what happens in Lisbon would affect London? Who in London, do you think?
I mean the courts in London. The people running the biggest forum discussing the case definitely thought that every time things went well for Mr Amaral they could go a bit further ignoring the court order and libel considerations over here. Even after Judge T told us no you can't some may still believe it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 16, 2015, 06:55:58 PM
We're not lawyers. EU law is obviously the same, but UK and Portuguese law different.
But in any case in London you do definitely have make some effort at least to be balanced, and I can't see the people Sonia has been communicating with being in the mood to do that. Hopefully she has got other advice also.
I don't have to be a lawyer to understand UK libel law...being balanced is neither here nor there
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 16, 2015, 06:56:24 PM
I mean the courts in London. The people running the biggest forum discussing the case definitely thought that every time things went well for Mr Amaral they could go a bit further ignoring the court order and libel considerations over here. Even after Judge T told us no you can't some may still believe it.
Doesn't this tell you something about the intelligence and common sense of the people running the biggest forum discussing the case?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 16, 2015, 06:59:45 PM
I mean the courts in London. The people running the biggest forum discussing the case definitely thought that every time things went well for Mr Amaral they could go a bit further ignoring the court order and libel considerations over here. Even after Judge T told us no you can't some may still believe it.
Ah, yes, I see. But they are mostly rabid anti Poulton, so they are going to tear her video to pieces, no matter what she says.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 16, 2015, 07:14:19 PM
Ah, yes, I see. But they are mostly rabid anti Poulton, so they are going to tear her video to pieces, no matter what she says.
I know, relationships are different now but remember in Feb 2013 the people now advising Sonia were saying Je suis Tony, and they were encouraging him before the court decision. Philosophies and shared beliefs were a lot closer then.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 16, 2015, 07:39:14 PM
It isn't you must have misunderstood....perhaps you can provide a link....doesn't matter if it is balanced as Bennet found out...if one sentence is libellous....then it's libel
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 16, 2015, 07:56:14 PM
Fictionalised versions of the story of Madeleine McCann abound, and Sonia Poulton is likely to add to the canon (of fictionalised versions!)
I don't predict that her edition will win her fame and fortune.
Everyone has a right to their opinion. But I am having trouble trying to figure out what she can possibly have to say that won't be libellous or oft repeated.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on January 17, 2015, 09:24:55 AM
Surely ALL accounts are fictional as no one knows what the truth is.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on January 17, 2015, 09:29:26 AM
Just as it was established, long before Jo Yeates' true murderer was finally brought to book, that her partner Greg Reardon was completely innocent; and later (but still before any conviction) that her Landlord Chris Jefferies was completely innocent, so it was long ago established (in fact, by the prosecutor's report and the final PJ report) that Kate and Gerry McCann had no part in the disappearance of Madeleine; neither any of their friends.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on January 17, 2015, 09:45:05 AM
Everyone has a right to their opinion. But I am having trouble trying to figure out what she can possibly have to say that won't be libellous or oft repeated.
Me too.
To satisfy many sceptics her documentary will have to include all the myths, lies, and misinformation which they still regularly claim are 'the troof'. But if she does that then she will be wide open for a libel action IMO. And rightfully so.
If she sticks to the facts and avoids making any libellous claims, then it will all be 'old hat' - as there is nothing new to reveal imo. There will be many very unhappy sceptics if she takes that route imo.
Has she put herself 'between a rock and hard place'? Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 17, 2015, 10:12:42 AM
It seems she knows next to nothing about the case yet she claims she can tell the untold story...there is no untold story
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 17, 2015, 10:13:15 AM
Don't need to wait and see...there is no untold story apart from the one that has been all over the net for the past seven years....I suspect she won't even make the video...there is nothing to tell
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on January 17, 2015, 10:21:56 AM
Extract from the final summary of the AG's report:
…. Therefore having considered the foregoing, I order:
… b) Filing of the papers concerning the suspects Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Marie Healy, as there is no evidence that they committed any crime defined by Article 277.1 of the Code of Criminal Procedure".
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on January 17, 2015, 07:23:50 PM
Who knows!
Perhaps, if learned Portuguese judges declare that the McCanns have won the libel trial before the end of March, perhaps Sonia will have second thoughts about telling this "untold story" ....
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 17, 2015, 07:25:55 PM
Perhaps, if learned Portuguese judges declare that the McCanns have won the libel trial before the end of March, perhaps Sonia will have second thoughts about telling this "untold story" ....
You're going to have a long wait on that.
Followed by the appeals for the next decade or so. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on January 17, 2015, 07:33:20 PM
Followed by the appeals for the next decade or so. 8((()*/
Appeals (including in Portugal!) must have some basis in law.
When you've accused someone (or a couple!) of causing the death of their own daughter, covering it up, disposing of her body and knowingly launching a fraudulent "fund" in their dead daughter's name, and there is not a shred of evidence to support any of it, what possible basis of an appeal could there be?
I just don't see it.
Even in Portugal, much more prone to allowing appeals than in England (a strictly neutral comment, not a criticism of the Portuguese judicial system) ...
I just don't see it!
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 17, 2015, 07:35:20 PM
Followed by the appeals for the next decade or so. 8((()*/
not long to wait...as you have pointed out it is very difficult to win a libel trial in Portugal so if the McCanns do...as I expect...it will be a massive humiliation for amaral...appeal or no appeal...a judgement in favour of the McCanns will be massive
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 17, 2015, 07:43:18 PM
An on the spot verdict in favour of The McCanns will do me. I am not all that interested in Appeals, presuming there would be a valid reason for such.
And Miz Poulton might think twice, although I don't much care about that either. She is perfectly at liberty to make a fool of herself if she so wishes. Because there is no untold story.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on January 17, 2015, 07:45:24 PM
An on the spot verdict in favour of The McCanns will do me. I am not all that interested in Appeals, presuming there would be a valid reason for such.
And Miz Poulton might think twice, although I don't much care about that either. She is perfectly at liberty to make a fool of herself if she so wishes. Because there is no untold story.
Just a rehash of the same (atrocious) "story" told by Hall ..
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 17, 2015, 07:51:51 PM
Extract from the final summary of the AG's report:
…. Therefore having considered the foregoing, I order:
… b) Filing of the papers concerning the suspects Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Marie Healy, as there is no evidence that they committed any crime defined by Article 277.1 of the Code of Criminal Procedure".
We all know there is no evidence- no one has disputed that fact- that is the problem because there is also NO EVIDENCE they didn't commit a crime, and people are declaring them 'innocent'-WITHOUT SAID EVIDENCE.
However, if they behaved like that in this country things would have been way different! They would have been charged and the twins would have been removed. That is what scared them that is why they claimed abduction in my opinion.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 18, 2015, 04:22:26 PM
We all know there is no evidence- no one has disputed that fact- that is the problem because there is also NO EVIDENCE they didn't commit a crime, and people are declaring them 'innocent'-WITHOUT SAID EVIDENCE.
However, if they behaved like that in this country things would have been way different! They would have been charged and the twins would have been removed. That is what scared them that is why they claimed abduction in my opinion.
your opinion that they would have been charged and the twins removed doesn't stand up...why would the twins be removed. Children are only removed if they are in danger....I don't see the mccanns leaving the twins in similar circumstances after what happened to Maddie
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on January 18, 2015, 04:25:51 PM
Social workers are almost a law unto themselves. Perceived danger seems to be all they require to take children away from parents.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 18, 2015, 04:34:43 PM
Social workers are almost a law unto themselves. Perceived danger seems to be all they require to take children away from parents.
But the McCanns have admitted they left the children alone...why haven't social services done anything...it has already been pointed out that if they were worried they could have openened the shutters and claimed maddie was taken in the night...no neglect
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 18, 2015, 04:39:11 PM
But the McCanns have admitted they left the children alone...why haven't social services done anything...it has already been pointed out that if they were worried they could have openened the shutters and claimed maddie was taken in the night...no neglect
Yes, neglect. Failure to lock the bedroom window. Everyone always forgets that window, and that lock.
(Negligence is better than neglect).
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on January 18, 2015, 04:45:07 PM
But the McCanns have admitted they left the children alone...why haven't social services done anything...it has already been pointed out that if they were worried they could have openened the shutters and claimed maddie was taken in the night...no neglect
Possibly a number of reasons, the principal one being that they left the children alone in another country, rather than in the UK.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 18, 2015, 04:55:53 PM
I'm still taken by Benice's thought that SP may not be looking at things from the same angle as everyone else is.
Don't all renowned investigative journalists, even the wannabe ones operate under-cover on occasion? 8(0(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 18, 2015, 04:59:06 PM
I'm still taken by Benice's thought that SP may not be looking at things from the same angle as everyone else is.
Don't all renowned investigative journalists, even the wannabe ones operate under-cover on occasion? 8(0(*
How true - investigative journalists have been known to infiltrate the 'enemy' camp! Then once they get all the evidence which they wouldn't have got if they hadn't gone under cover and lulled their victims into a false sense of security - it's BINGO!
IF SP has any brains that's what she'll do. No problems with libel - and everything she wants to know for a great documentary - straight from the horses mouths!!
Of course whether or not she's got to brains to realise that - I have no idea. .
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 18, 2015, 05:37:06 PM
We all know there is no evidence- no one has disputed that fact- that is the problem because there is also NO EVIDENCE they didn't commit a crime, and people are declaring them 'innocent'-WITHOUT SAID EVIDENCE.
However, if they behaved like that in this country things would have been way different! They would have been charged and the twins would have been removed. That is what scared them that is why they claimed abduction in my opinion.
Many people 'behave' like that in this country when on holiday.
I'm afraid as long as the Listening service is legally operating in holiday venues, then there is no chance of anyone being charged with leaving their children asleep whilst they go to dinner etc - knowing they are being regularly checked.
The McCanns mirrored that service - and so are no different.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 18, 2015, 05:50:12 PM
Many people 'behave' like that in this country when on holiday.
I'm afraid as long as the Listening service is legally operating in holiday venues, then there is no chance of anyone being charged with leaving their children asleep whilst they go to dinner etc - knowing they are being regularly checked.
The McCanns mirrored that service - and so are no different.
Where does it say leaving children unprotected and in insecure,unlocked accommodation is permitted/O.K., which they claim was a fire risk ?
and Poulton's claim I believe is to expose the abduction scenario for what it is.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 18, 2015, 05:55:03 PM
(Your post is too clever for me. I don't know what you mean 8()-000()
Sorry Lyall, I should have explained. If I am not mistaken, it was a film being made by SP. Might not be ready yet though.
‘Unmasking a Messiah’ is a Sonia Poulton production, produced and directed by Alpaca Digital Media Services and is anticipated for late Summer release. http://perthgazette.co.uk/06/27/uk/david-icke-peoples-voice-documentary-unmasking-messiah/3790
at about 5.40
Published on 20 Jul 2014
Journalist and Broadcaster Sonia Poulton spent 3/4 of a year working with conspiracy theorist David Icke on his media channel, The People's Voice. She walked out after asking for transparency of public funds and David refused to give it. She was soon to discover why. Consequently, she is now recording a documentary about TPV and David Icke who, as expected and true to his previous form of attacking people, has begun a smear campaign against her to attempt to distract from what she and the team have uncovered and will be reporting on in 'Unmasking A Messiah' available from Autumn 2014.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 18, 2015, 06:15:24 PM
Sorry Lyall, I should have explained. If I am not mistaken, it was a film being made by SP. Might not be ready yet though.
‘Unmasking a Messiah’ is a Sonia Poulton production, produced and directed by Alpaca Digital Media Services and is anticipated for late Summer release. http://perthgazette.co.uk/06/27/uk/david-icke-peoples-voice-documentary-unmasking-messiah/3790
at about 5.40
Published on 20 Jul 2014
Journalist and Broadcaster Sonia Poulton spent 3/4 of a year working with conspiracy theorist David Icke on his media channel, The People's Voice. She walked out after asking for transparency of public funds and David refused to give it. She was soon to discover why. Consequently, she is now recording a documentary about TPV and David Icke who, as expected and true to his previous form of attacking people, has begun a smear campaign against her to attempt to distract from what she and the team have uncovered and will be reporting on in 'Unmasking A Messiah' available from Autumn 2014.
Oh dear ... not exactly Jeremy Paxman, is it?
Sonia Poulton responds to David Icke's smear campaign https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6F4bewllQ4
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 18, 2015, 06:25:30 PM
Sonia Poulton responds to David Icke's smear campaign https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6F4bewllQ4
Incredible how she objects to smear campaigns, defamation etc when they are against herself - but is now apparently planning to champion BL who spent her time doing exactly the same!! That seems a massive contradiction in terms to me - especially in light of her following opinion:-
Quote ''Freedom of speech should not include the freedom to bully and spread lies. Perhaps by exposing trolls it will serve as a warning that our society is no longer prepared to tolerate abuse''. (Sonia Poulton)
I'm interested to see how she will manage to simultaneously both condemn AND defend identical abuse.
Or is she going to stab the people she is now 'working' with in the back - in the same way that some would say she has done to Icke?
Fascinating.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 18, 2015, 06:51:39 PM
How true - investigative journalists have been known to infiltrate the 'enemy' camp! Then once they get all the evidence which they wouldn't have got if they hadn't gone under cover and lulled their victims into a false sense of security - it's BINGO!
IF SP has any brains that's what she'll do. No problems with libel - and everything she wants to know for a great documentary - straight from the horses mouths!!
Of course whether or not she's got to brains to realise that - I have no idea. .
I think it possible that she might have information to hand which could be the proverbial Ace Up the Sleeve. All of it freely given and volunteered.
There have been so many 'untold stories' or 'fresh revelations' that they are becoming a tad passé; but waiting till the coroner delivers her judgement on Brenda Leyland's death opens a fresh window for the msm to launch a bit more on internet trolls.
As one who has apparently had first hand experience of abusive trolls, and has apparently challenged them on her own behalf ... she had the opportunity to tell her story when the experiences of other women were in the news ... and she grasped it with both hands.
So she has form and as far as we know she has the information ... she is also hungry for recognition and I think that even she might realise that her stated pathway of the moment is not the way to achieve that (so many others have tried and failed and are not even a household name in their own household).
** Clip I'm very grateful for all of you wonderful people helping me to research this documentary I know we literally could not have done it without you because many people have literally spent the last seven years as online detectives searching this story inside out and do you know as the saying goes uh no stone has been unturned again I want to thank you ... " (Sonia Poulton) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0P7uBP8B1I&feature=youtu.be
**clipped Why me? It’s a question I’ve asked myself many times. The internet is a playground for shadowy characters who operate under many false names and use it to further their own warped agendas.
My investigations continue. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/420369/How-I-unmasked-my-vile-Twitter-trolls
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 18, 2015, 06:56:14 PM
Incredible how she objects to smear campaigns, defamation etc when they are against herself - but is now apparently planning to champion BL who spent her time doing exactly the same!! That seems a massive contradiction in terms to me - especially in light of her following opinion:-
Quote ''Freedom of speech should not include the freedom to bully and spread lies. Perhaps by exposing trolls it will serve as a warning that our society is no longer prepared to tolerate abuse''. (Sonia Poulton)
I'm interested to see how she will manage to simultaneously both condemn AND defend identical abuse.
Or is she going to stab the people she is now 'working' with in the back - in the same way that some would say she has done to Icke?
Fascinating.
I think she may very well stab her 'researchers' in the back ... although the contradictory stances taken by some people can be quite bemusing.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 18, 2015, 06:59:06 PM
She can probably use the phrase 'We asked the McCanns to comment, but they refused' in her forthcoming documentary.
A bit like when she turned up outside Cameron's gaffe, I bet her intended victim was nowhere in sight. I thought Sonia was vehemently opposed to the media doorstepping people? I guess not, the hypocritical witch.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: DCI on January 27, 2015, 05:28:25 PM
A bit like when she turned up outside Cameron's gaffe, I bet her intended victim was nowhere in sight. I thought Sonia was vehemently opposed to the media doorstepping people? I guess not, the hypocritical witch.
I wonder if she got someone to video, her knocking the door @)(++(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on January 27, 2015, 05:32:11 PM
She certainly doesnt seem to be as intimidated by the McCanns as the rest of the MSM.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on January 27, 2015, 05:59:15 PM
She might well have done so, particularly if it is to feature in the documentary.
Yes she might have took her gun toting ex too.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on January 27, 2015, 06:03:17 PM
I don't know about him. Is he relevant?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2015, 06:06:35 PM
She can do what she likes within the law...but what will be more important is what is in her documentary. Looks like it will be a video of people refusing to speak to her
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 27, 2015, 06:08:23 PM
I wonder if she got someone to video, her knocking the door @)(++(*
You know, if I were in Kate McCann's position I would try hard not to call the woman an effing tosser to her face and then close the door and call the police.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2015, 06:10:49 PM
I think we can guarantee she won't do it again
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 27, 2015, 06:12:38 PM
She can do what she likes within the law...but what will be more important is what is in her documentary. Looks like it will be a video of people refusing to speak to her
She is probably going to have to find something to replace Butler's slot in her documentary I would think.
It is also perhaps worth bearing in mind that the household she was allegedly doorstepping is the home of two young children.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2015, 06:15:38 PM
She is probably going to have to find something to replace Butler's slot in her documentary I would think.
It is also perhaps worth bearing in mind that the household she was allegedly doorstepping is the home of two young children.
I agree...Kate has almost certainly rung the police and it would not surprise me if Poulton is warned...hence my comment she will not do it again...twice could lead to a charge of harrassment
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 27, 2015, 06:18:58 PM
I agree...Kate has almost certainly rung the police and it would not surprise me if Poulton is warned...hence my comment she will not do it again...twice could lead to a charge of harrassment
There's a first.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 27, 2015, 06:26:04 PM
I wonder if she got someone to video, her knocking the door @)(++(*
I very much doubt if Gerry or Kate, would even answer the door. Because of the obvious and unfortunate ....... I should imagine, that they have a very reliable, security system in place.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Angelo222 on January 27, 2015, 06:33:07 PM
I very much doubt if Gerry or Kate, would even answer the door. Because of the obvious and unfortunate ....... I should imagine, that they have a very reliable, security system in place.
You would think they were public enemy #1. Will the twins suffer the same fate when they go out into the world...sins of the father and all that?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: DCI on January 27, 2015, 06:33:29 PM
I very much doubt if Gerry or Kate, would even answer the door. Because of the obvious and unfortunate ....... I should imagine, that they have a very reliable, security system in place.
I doubt she even went, Anna.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on January 27, 2015, 06:35:58 PM
Where exactly on Ms. Poulton's twitter page does she say she doorstepped mccann ?
Babalou @B_balou Jan 24 @_DarkMavis @tonybooth20 Fr Jack in particular is furious with S. She reckons that Sonia has doorstepped Kate. Don't know if true.
Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton 1h1 hour ago @B_balou @_DarkMavis @tonybooth20 It's true. It's my job to seek answers. I tried route of requesting interview. This is public interest.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 27, 2015, 07:13:31 PM
Babalou @B_balou Jan 24 @_DarkMavis @tonybooth20 Fr Jack in particular is furious with S. She reckons that Sonia has doorstepped Kate. Don't know if true.
Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton 1h1 hour ago @B_balou @_DarkMavis @tonybooth20 It's true. It's my job to seek answers. I tried route of requesting interview. This is public interest.
So when did this occur ?
and if it did, will Sky report it ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 27, 2015, 07:16:31 PM
When did it occur? Well why don't you go on twitter and ask Pointy yourself? Why on earth would sky report it? She doesn't work for them. Perhaps they should send Martin Brunt to doorstep Sonia though, and they can doorstep each other to the death.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2015, 07:17:54 PM
looks like it could be an own goal for Ms poulton...Back o the net!
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 27, 2015, 07:21:23 PM
When did it occur? Well why don't you go on twitter and ask Pointy yourself? Why on earth would sky report it? She doesn't work for them. Perhaps they should send Martin Brunt to doorstep Sonia though, and they can doorstep each other to the death.
So at the moment it's just words with no proof.
I see on certain l##ny sites, they are up in arms with threats of what they will do to Poulton.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 27, 2015, 07:29:37 PM
She may of course have said it just to rile McCann supporters and if that was her aim, she has totally succeeded.
I don't think anyone noticed/reacted the first time Sonia said she'd done it (maybe nobody believes her &%+((£)
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 27, 2015, 07:57:22 PM
How much work did Poulton do for Icke ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 27, 2015, 08:13:43 PM
Please take note:- Posts that are:- Off topic, disruptive , insulting, abusive, or goading in nature, will be deleted. Please have a thought, for others and your membership status, before posting.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carew on January 27, 2015, 08:28:50 PM
Please take note:- Posts that are:- Off topic, disruptive , insulting, abusive, or goading in nature, will be deleted. Please have a thought, for others and your membership status, before posting.
Does this apply to insulting, goading, spiteful, abusive elements less noticeable because they form parts of long winded , moral-high- ground impressive looking posts and are therefore left to stand for posterity........or do you mean just short, easy to spot postings?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 27, 2015, 08:31:02 PM
Does this apply to insulting, goading, spiteful, abusive elements less noticeable because they form parts of long winded , moral-high- ground impressive looking posts and are therefore left to stand for posterity........or do you mean just short, easy to spot postings?
If there is a post that you are unhappy about, then please report it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 27, 2015, 09:49:00 PM
and what if she uncovers what really happened to Madeleine ?
Now that really would be something, Stephen, but do you really believe, that she can do a better job than the police team working in PT and the Portuguese police?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 28, 2015, 08:55:25 AM
Now that really would be something, Stephen, but do you really believe, that she can do a better job than the police team working in PT and the Portuguese police?
Well what has any of these police forces found ?
As I have said previously, I don't believe this case will be solved by anything other than a confession.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 28, 2015, 09:01:39 AM
Now that really would be something, Stephen, but do you really believe, that she can do a better job than the police team working in PT and the Portuguese police?
Probably not, but success will depend upon looking in the right direction. To date, it would appear that neither police force have managed to do this.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 28, 2015, 09:15:53 AM
As I have said previously, I don't believe this case will be solved by anything other than a confession.
I tend to agree with this also. Or through a stroke of luck. Some mysteries are destined to remain unsolved, despite the best efforts of the best investigative officers, it isn't necessarily a poor reflection on their abiliities, it's just the way it is but that doesn't mean that they should never have bothered investigating in the first place.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 28, 2015, 09:22:18 AM
Probably not, but success will depend upon looking in the right direction. To date, it would appear that neither police force have managed to do this.
Of course, you are correct, jassi ...as yet there has been no significant findings, that we know of, by the police.
However, If Ms Poulton, has looked in the right direction and has information that would help solve the mystery, of Madeleine’s disappearance, would she not be withholding evidence, if she did not disclose that information, when it was made available to her?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 28, 2015, 09:25:56 AM
What occurred to me last night was that all the "sceptics" who have gone on a justice crusade to Rothley have come unstuck one way or another. Bennett, Butler, Leyland...I wonder if Poulton will come unstuck too? Time will tell..
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 28, 2015, 09:26:22 AM
She'd make me nervous if she doorstepped me and started pointing her fingers in my face, that's for sure! @)(++(*
Did you really believe she'd doorstepped kate mccann ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on January 28, 2015, 09:29:36 AM
Information is not necessarily evidence - one of our posters on here has apparently bombarded SY with information, yet it has not resulted in apprehension of the miscreant.
There is also the possibility that any information she has is not actually unknown, but that she is looking at it from a different perspective to the police, as investigative journalists often do.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 28, 2015, 09:29:43 AM
Information is not necessarily evidence - one of our posters on here has apparently bombarded SY with information, yet it has not resulted in apprehension of the miscreant.
There is also the possibility that any information she has is not actually unknown, but that she is looking at it from a different perspective to the police, as investigative journalists often do.
Bennett has bombarded the Met with his investigations and that has not resulted in any arrests either. Perhaps his investigations just weren't thorough enough, eh?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 28, 2015, 09:39:11 AM
You do realize of course that merely saying you do something, does not mean it has been done ?
Gosh, that thought had never occurred to me before. You mean you think it's likely well-known justice crusader SP has lied to her followers on twitter? Of course it's possible. It's also possible that she did it, in some misguided attempt to big herself up to her fans most probably.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 28, 2015, 09:45:15 AM
I believe it was just bluster to provoke a reaction.
Which it did.
And if it turns out she did, what would you make of her actions? Remember, this is a woman who went on an internet rampage to denounce Martin Brunt for doorstepping Brenda...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 28, 2015, 09:45:30 AM
Sonia Poulton and the untold story...the only person who hasn't heard it before is Sonia Poulton
How true.
Does anyone know what happened with her documentary 'exposing' Icke which was promised for public viewing last Autumn. AFAIK despite having indisputable evidence on the subject it never materialised. It would appear therefore - that yet another 'Untold Story' by SP is going to remain just that......i.e. ''untold''
I suspect this latest venture is destined to meet with the same fate.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 28, 2015, 09:47:27 AM
And if it turns out she did, what would you make of her actions? Remember, this is a woman who went on an internet rampage to denounce Martin Brunt for doorstepping Brenda...
I don't approve of it, but you know that already.
What would you do Alfred if somebody was to doorstep you ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on January 28, 2015, 09:50:17 AM
Of course, I realise that some people tell lies. So is that what you believe has occurred?
I do not use Twitter, so have no idea what she has said.
One of their best friends, Jim Gamble, certainly thinks it happened and went onto twitter to denounce it. Of course, he may have just leaped in without checking the facts.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carew on January 28, 2015, 09:55:51 AM
One of their best friends, Jim Gamble, certainly thinks it happened and went onto twitter to denounce it. Of course, he may have just leaped in without checking the facts.
He's probably bursting to get everyone harassing him and others nicked. It wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 28, 2015, 09:56:44 AM
One of their best friends, Jim Gamble, certainly thinks it happened and went onto twitter to denounce it. Of course, he may have just leaped in without checking the facts.
Thanks, jassi. So you are saying that, Jim Gamble believes that Ms Poulton door stepped the McCanns. Well, I guess the truth will come out soon.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on January 28, 2015, 09:59:11 AM
And if it turns out she did, what would you make of her actions? Remember, this is a woman who went on an internet rampage to denounce Martin Brunt for doorstepping Brenda...
Well....don`t people denounce personal remarks and perceived hounding of the McCanns, only to set up groups to do the same and worse to other people themselves?
If you believe an action or behaviour is wrong, maybe "tit-for-tat" is inevitably going to be perceived as hypocritical, no matter where or in what circumstances it is done.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 28, 2015, 10:20:11 AM
Well....don`t people denounce personal remarks and perceived hounding of the McCanns, only to set up groups to do the same and worse to other people themselves?
If you believe an action or behaviour is wrong, maybe "tit-for-tat" is inevitably going to be perceived as hypocritical, no matter where or in what circumstances it is done.
Sorry, can you re-phrase the first sentence, I don't understand it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 28, 2015, 10:25:59 AM
Any problems, just read the 2nd sentence instead. It would stand on its own.
OK, let's put it this way: if you get up on your high horse and tweet your disgust at the way in which Brenda Leyland was doorstepped by the media, and then, in your capacity as a journalist yourself you go and doorstep Kate McCann, what does that make you? A crusader for justice? Or a despicable hypocrite? Can you really use the defence of "well the McCann supporters are all hypocrites so why not me as well" or is that completely irrelevant if you are a person of such high principle? I would love to hear a justification of Sonia's actions that didn't resort to childish strawman argumentation. Is it possible? I doubt it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 28, 2015, 10:50:34 AM
Not from personal experience. Peeps she's worked with in the past, she said.
Giving up cigs is not hard. I did it just like that. I decided to stop and I stopped. No relapses, no cravings, no angst and haven't had a cigarette for at least 17 years. All it takes is strength of character.... 8(>((
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: sadie on January 28, 2015, 11:04:59 AM
Now that really would be something, Stephen, but do you really believe, that she can do a better job than the police team working in PT and the Portuguese police?
As I understandvit Anna 'the Untold Story' refers more to the campaign of misinformation and intimidation waged by the McCanns and the people who surround them and less to the events of May 3rd. The fact that one of the McCann most ardent supporters, and thought to be the dossier compiler, disappeared into the ether almost immediately after SP's documentary announcement certainly suggests that.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 28, 2015, 11:53:27 AM
As I understandvit Anna 'the Untold Story' refers more to the campaign of misinformation and intimidation waged by the McCanns and the people who surround them and less to the events of May 3rd. The fact that one of the McCann most ardent supporters, and thought to be the dossier compiler, disappeared into the ether almost immediately after SP's documentary announcement certainly suggests that.
Thank you, Faith. Yes, I agree that it is likely to be an Exposé type story/documentary.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 28, 2015, 12:05:09 PM
Not all his theories are wild.... some are very well researched and sound. Please dont denigrate him for the sake of it... sounds like you haven't given him a chance.
Have you just pre-judged him on hearsay ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 28, 2015, 12:39:00 PM
So it is not the untold story of Madeleine.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 28, 2015, 01:05:29 PM
Please try and adhere to the topic and leave out the insults and goading comments.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 28, 2015, 02:24:06 PM
Has it been established yet, whether or not Poulton 'doorstepped' kate mccann ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 28, 2015, 02:26:37 PM
Has it been established yet, whether or not Poulton 'doorstepped' kate mccann ?
Babalou @B_balou Jan 24 @_DarkMavis @tonybooth20 Fr Jack in particular is furious with S. She reckons that Sonia has doorstepped Kate. Don't know if true.
Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton 28 mins28 minutes ago @B_balou @_DarkMavis @tonybooth20 It's true. It's my job to seek answers. I tried route of requesting interview. This is public interest.
Babalou @B_balou Jan 24 @_DarkMavis @tonybooth20 Fr Jack in particular is furious with S. She reckons that Sonia has doorstepped Kate. Don't know if true.
Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton 28 mins28 minutes ago @B_balou @_DarkMavis @tonybooth20 It's true. It's my job to seek answers. I tried route of requesting interview. This is public interest.
So the same Sonia Poulton who fulminates against Martin Brunt for "doorstepping" the late Brenda Leyland sees no wrong in, herself, doorstepping Kate McCann.
How does that work?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 28, 2015, 07:56:04 PM
Satisfied now Stephen?
TwitLonger Ad-free Account Write a Post SoniaPoulton Sonia Poulton · @SoniaPoulton 28th Jan 2015 from TwitLonger
Open letter to Jim Gamble #mccann
Following your Twitter attack on me yesterday - and continued today - I reiterate my request to invite you for an interview with regard the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
I was shocked by your vitriolic outburst regarding doorstepping the McCanns. Given that you were not there when it occurred I find you speak without full knowledge of the situation. For a former policeman to speak without understanding of what I have or have not done, is worrying given your high media profile around this case.
For the record, I approached the McCanns at their Leicester home. This is a practice you have publicly applauded when it applied to a single, older woman expressing an opinion e.g. Brenda Leyland also from Leicester. And yet, apparently, it is not to your taste when it comes to those who are at the heart of a story of enormous public investment.
Doorstepping, in matters of public interest, is a valid journalistic tool and I stand-by my decision to do it in this case.
This approach followed interview requests to the McCanns and I made it clear that there were unanswered questions - even more than the 48 police questions that Kate refused to answer when it came to searching for her child - and I sought to help by using whatever appropriate tools I have at my disposable. It is the McCanns who use the expression 'No Stone Unturned' and I believe what I set out to do then, and continue to do, assists rather than obstructs that.
When I received no response to an interview, after several requests over the period of a year, I realised that I had a public duty to pursue this. Thus, myself and a small camera crew went to the McCanns house and asked to talk with them.
Kate, I should point out, didn't find my approach at all 'attacking' as you insist on shrieking all over Twitter, until I told her why I was there and what questions the public - the very public who have been funding the search both through private donations and the current Operation Grange investigation - want answering.
I am not dissuaded from this action even by your use of emotive words in an apparent attempt to create a negative narrative about this documentary and what we are setting out to do. I am relieved that the wider discerning public are finally getting a glimpse of the machinations of those claiming to seek justice for Madeleine McCann.
I have previously asked you for an interview for the documentary I am making called 'The Untold Story of Madeleine McCann'. This is for a number of reasons.
There is your involvement in calling for legal punishment of those you regard as 'trolls' when, in fact, they are mostly just the people who dispute the official version of events surrounding Madeleine's disappearance.
Also, I wish to address the fact that you were involved in the Sky report by Martin Brunt - which featured the doorstepping of Brenda Leyland several days before her death - coupled with your euphoric public congratulations of this action on the day the report was repeatedly aired.
The Sky report, as you know, was based on a so-called dossier of those who oppose the official abduction story. I am given to understand that I feature in that dossier, as did Brenda Leyland. It is no secret that people involved in said dossier were in contact with you prior to Martin Brunt doorstepping Brenda Leyland. People, I have evidence of, who were involved in continually bullying and provoking Brenda Leyland.
Given that experts and commentators have now had a chance to examine Brenda Leyland's social network output regarding the case, and have concluded that she was not a 'troll', I believe - along with many others - that you have questions to answer regarding your role in her public hounding.
I am making this an open letter because I am aware of the deep public interest surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine, not least the millions of pounds that hard-pressed British taxpayers are funding for this, but also because you chose to be public in your condemnation of me and this documentary.
It is also, unquestionably, a unique-ly 'online case' in some regards in that many, many people globally have flocked to the Internet to express their horror at the case receiving such biased reporting in mainstream media.
It is an open secret that the McCann's version of events is widely disputed. Due, in part, to the inability of the couple and their friends to present a consistent account of events. This is out there in the public domain thanks to the work of the Portuguese Police. So it is that people have taken, en masse, to the Internet to express anger, dismay and frustration at the coverage which frequently fails to match reality.
I know you are aware that there are significant rumours surrounding your involvement with the McCanns during the time you were in public office at CEOP. I have seen the tweets that people send to you and the Facebook comments made about you.
I understand what it means to be smeared and I believe that I have a responsibility, as a journalist (of almost three decades), to put those accusations to you. I am not interfering with any on-going police investigation just doing what journalists are supposed to do.
I find it alarming, as do many Twitter observers, that you chose to use social media in a futile attempt to undermine me professionally with childish insults. All the while encouraging your followers to behave in a mob-like fashion towards me. Is this not contrary to what you claim to represent?
However, as many have pointed out, your public attacks have merely served to reinforce what people already believe regarding your somewhat blinkered approach to this case. Certainly, the way you have behaved over the last 24 hours towards myself and others has presented us with the perfect way to illustrate this in the documentary.
As a former policeman, I cannot fathom why you continue to insist that an abduction is the only reasonable conclusion to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
For those who have taken time to truly look at the case - those same people you block on Twitter and refer to as ranters and trolls - and away from the PR-led version of the media coverage, it is clear that there is so much more to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann than we are frequently led to believe.
I wonder, have the facts become immaterial in your quest to defend the McCanns at any cost? I am happy to be proved wrong.
So, Mr. Gamble, what is it to be? I offer you a full recorded interview (and a final mutual agreement of your contribution to the documentary) so you can be assured that your message will not be taken out of context.
I hope, rather than continuing to behave in a deeply unprofessional, evasive and questionable manner, that you take up this invitation.
If you choose not to, then people will make up their own mind why this might be. Your call.
Sonia Poulton January 28, 2015
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 28, 2015, 07:57:56 PM
I see "Poor Old Jim" is still having a mardy.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on January 28, 2015, 07:58:59 PM
He's never been the same since he was booted out of CEOP.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 28, 2015, 07:59:15 PM
She's beginning to make me feel ill. She's terrifying.
My heartfelt sympathies are with Kate McCann having that deranged harpy on her doorstep. As if things weren't bad enough already...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 28, 2015, 08:14:26 PM
"Doorstepping, in matters of public interest, is a valid journalistic tool and I stand-by my decision to do it in this case" - Sonia Poulton January 2015
Now how does she square the above statement with her strident screechings about Martin Brunt's actions back in September last year?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 28, 2015, 08:22:25 PM
"Doorstepping, in matters of public interest, is a valid journalistic tool and I stand-by my decision to do it in this case" - Sonia Poulton January 2015
Now how does she square the above statement with her strident screechings about Martin Brunt's actions back in September last year?
He probably gave her the idea. But he couldn't give her the class.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 28, 2015, 08:24:30 PM
TwitLonger Ad-free Account Write a Post SoniaPoulton Sonia Poulton · @SoniaPoulton 28th Jan 2015 from TwitLonger
Open letter to Jim Gamble #mccann
Following your Twitter attack on me yesterday - and continued today - I reiterate my request to invite you for an interview with regard the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
I was shocked by your vitriolic outburst regarding doorstepping the McCanns. Given that you were not there when it occurred I find you speak without full knowledge of the situation. For a former policeman to speak without understanding of what I have or have not done, is worrying given your high media profile around this case.
For the record, I approached the McCanns at their Leicester home. This is a practice you have publicly applauded when it applied to a single, older woman expressing an opinion e.g. Brenda Leyland also from Leicester. And yet, apparently, it is not to your taste when it comes to those who are at the heart of a story of enormous public investment.
Doorstepping, in matters of public interest, is a valid journalistic tool and I stand-by my decision to do it in this case.
This approach followed interview requests to the McCanns and I made it clear that there were unanswered questions - even more than the 48 police questions that Kate refused to answer when it came to searching for her child - and I sought to help by using whatever appropriate tools I have at my disposable. It is the McCanns who use the expression 'No Stone Unturned' and I believe what I set out to do then, and continue to do, assists rather than obstructs that.
When I received no response to an interview, after several requests over the period of a year, I realised that I had a public duty to pursue this. Thus, myself and a small camera crew went to the McCanns house and asked to talk with them.
Kate, I should point out, didn't find my approach at all 'attacking' as you insist on shrieking all over Twitter, until I told her why I was there and what questions the public - the very public who have been funding the search both through private donations and the current Operation Grange investigation - want answering.
I am not dissuaded from this action even by your use of emotive words in an apparent attempt to create a negative narrative about this documentary and what we are setting out to do. I am relieved that the wider discerning public are finally getting a glimpse of the machinations of those claiming to seek justice for Madeleine McCann.
I have previously asked you for an interview for the documentary I am making called 'The Untold Story of Madeleine McCann'. This is for a number of reasons.
There is your involvement in calling for legal punishment of those you regard as 'trolls' when, in fact, they are mostly just the people who dispute the official version of events surrounding Madeleine's disappearance.
Also, I wish to address the fact that you were involved in the Sky report by Martin Brunt - which featured the doorstepping of Brenda Leyland several days before her death - coupled with your euphoric public congratulations of this action on the day the report was repeatedly aired.
The Sky report, as you know, was based on a so-called dossier of those who oppose the official abduction story. I am given to understand that I feature in that dossier, as did Brenda Leyland. It is no secret that people involved in said dossier were in contact with you prior to Martin Brunt doorstepping Brenda Leyland. People, I have evidence of, who were involved in continually bullying and provoking Brenda Leyland.
Given that experts and commentators have now had a chance to examine Brenda Leyland's social network output regarding the case, and have concluded that she was not a 'troll', I believe - along with many others - that you have questions to answer regarding your role in her public hounding.
I am making this an open letter because I am aware of the deep public interest surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine, not least the millions of pounds that hard-pressed British taxpayers are funding for this, but also because you chose to be public in your condemnation of me and this documentary.
It is also, unquestionably, a unique-ly 'online case' in some regards in that many, many people globally have flocked to the Internet to express their horror at the case receiving such biased reporting in mainstream media.
It is an open secret that the McCann's version of events is widely disputed. Due, in part, to the inability of the couple and their friends to present a consistent account of events. This is out there in the public domain thanks to the work of the Portuguese Police. So it is that people have taken, en masse, to the Internet to express anger, dismay and frustration at the coverage which frequently fails to match reality.
I know you are aware that there are significant rumours surrounding your involvement with the McCanns during the time you were in public office at CEOP. I have seen the tweets that people send to you and the Facebook comments made about you.
I understand what it means to be smeared and I believe that I have a responsibility, as a journalist (of almost three decades), to put those accusations to you. I am not interfering with any on-going police investigation just doing what journalists are supposed to do.
I find it alarming, as do many Twitter observers, that you chose to use social media in a futile attempt to undermine me professionally with childish insults. All the while encouraging your followers to behave in a mob-like fashion towards me. Is this not contrary to what you claim to represent?
However, as many have pointed out, your public attacks have merely served to reinforce what people already believe regarding your somewhat blinkered approach to this case. Certainly, the way you have behaved over the last 24 hours towards myself and others has presented us with the perfect way to illustrate this in the documentary.
As a former policeman, I cannot fathom why you continue to insist that an abduction is the only reasonable conclusion to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
For those who have taken time to truly look at the case - those same people you block on Twitter and refer to as ranters and trolls - and away from the PR-led version of the media coverage, it is clear that there is so much more to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann than we are frequently led to believe.
I wonder, have the facts become immaterial in your quest to defend the McCanns at any cost? I am happy to be proved wrong.
So, Mr. Gamble, what is it to be? I offer you a full recorded interview (and a final mutual agreement of your contribution to the documentary) so you can be assured that your message will not be taken out of context.
I hope, rather than continuing to behave in a deeply unprofessional, evasive and questionable manner, that you take up this invitation.
If you choose not to, then people will make up their own mind why this might be. Your call.
Sonia Poulton January 28, 2015
I think that may be quite an unprecedented epistle.
In my opinion she has given a classic account of harassment when she states she repeatedly asked Dr McCann for an interview over the period of a year then presented herself uninvited on the doorstep demanding one.
After that little diatribe aimed at Jim Gamble I think hell will freeze before he will acquiesce to be in the same room with her as would anyone with any sense.
Quite extraordinary behaviour.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 28, 2015, 08:48:39 PM
So who is worse, brunt and Sky, plus the dossier girly boys, or Poulton ?
As to Gamble , judging by his twitter behaviour, he is on a par with Poulton.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carana on January 28, 2015, 09:01:49 PM
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Open letter to Jim Gamble #mccann
Following your Twitter attack on me yesterday - and continued today - I reiterate my request to invite you for an interview with regard the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
I was shocked by your vitriolic outburst regarding doorstepping the McCanns. Given that you were not there when it occurred I find you speak without full knowledge of the situation. For a former policeman to speak without understanding of what I have or have not done, is worrying given your high media profile around this case.
For the record, I approached the McCanns at their Leicester home. This is a practice you have publicly applauded when it applied to a single, older woman expressing an opinion e.g. Brenda Leyland also from Leicester. And yet, apparently, it is not to your taste when it comes to those who are at the heart of a story of enormous public investment.
Doorstepping, in matters of public interest, is a valid journalistic tool and I stand-by my decision to do it in this case.
This approach followed interview requests to the McCanns and I made it clear that there were unanswered questions - even more than the 48 police questions that Kate refused to answer when it came to searching for her child - and I sought to help by using whatever appropriate tools I have at my disposable. It is the McCanns who use the expression 'No Stone Unturned' and I believe what I set out to do then, and continue to do, assists rather than obstructs that.
When I received no response to an interview, after several requests over the period of a year, I realised that I had a public duty to pursue this. Thus, myself and a small camera crew went to the McCanns house and asked to talk with them.
Kate, I should point out, didn't find my approach at all 'attacking' as you insist on shrieking all over Twitter, until I told her why I was there and what questions the public - the very public who have been funding the search both through private donations and the current Operation Grange investigation - want answering.
I am not dissuaded from this action even by your use of emotive words in an apparent attempt to create a negative narrative about this documentary and what we are setting out to do. I am relieved that the wider discerning public are finally getting a glimpse of the machinations of those claiming to seek justice for Madeleine McCann.
I have previously asked you for an interview for the documentary I am making called 'The Untold Story of Madeleine McCann'. This is for a number of reasons.
There is your involvement in calling for legal punishment of those you regard as 'trolls' when, in fact, they are mostly just the people who dispute the official version of events surrounding Madeleine's disappearance.
Also, I wish to address the fact that you were involved in the Sky report by Martin Brunt - which featured the doorstepping of Brenda Leyland several days before her death - coupled with your euphoric public congratulations of this action on the day the report was repeatedly aired.
The Sky report, as you know, was based on a so-called dossier of those who oppose the official abduction story. I am given to understand that I feature in that dossier, as did Brenda Leyland. It is no secret that people involved in said dossier were in contact with you prior to Martin Brunt doorstepping Brenda Leyland. People, I have evidence of, who were involved in continually bullying and provoking Brenda Leyland.
Given that experts and commentators have now had a chance to examine Brenda Leyland's social network output regarding the case, and have concluded that she was not a 'troll', I believe - along with many others - that you have questions to answer regarding your role in her public hounding.
I am making this an open letter because I am aware of the deep public interest surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine, not least the millions of pounds that hard-pressed British taxpayers are funding for this, but also because you chose to be public in your condemnation of me and this documentary.
It is also, unquestionably, a unique-ly 'online case' in some regards in that many, many people globally have flocked to the Internet to express their horror at the case receiving such biased reporting in mainstream media.
It is an open secret that the McCann's version of events is widely disputed. Due, in part, to the inability of the couple and their friends to present a consistent account of events. This is out there in the public domain thanks to the work of the Portuguese Police. So it is that people have taken, en masse, to the Internet to express anger, dismay and frustration at the coverage which frequently fails to match reality.
I know you are aware that there are significant rumours surrounding your involvement with the McCanns during the time you were in public office at CEOP. I have seen the tweets that people send to you and the Facebook comments made about you.
I understand what it means to be smeared and I believe that I have a responsibility, as a journalist (of almost three decades), to put those accusations to you. I am not interfering with any on-going police investigation just doing what journalists are supposed to do.
I find it alarming, as do many Twitter observers, that you chose to use social media in a futile attempt to undermine me professionally with childish insults. All the while encouraging your followers to behave in a mob-like fashion towards me. Is this not contrary to what you claim to represent?
However, as many have pointed out, your public attacks have merely served to reinforce what people already believe regarding your somewhat blinkered approach to this case. Certainly, the way you have behaved over the last 24 hours towards myself and others has presented us with the perfect way to illustrate this in the documentary.
As a former policeman, I cannot fathom why you continue to insist that an abduction is the only reasonable conclusion to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
For those who have taken time to truly look at the case - those same people you block on Twitter and refer to as ranters and trolls - and away from the PR-led version of the media coverage, it is clear that there is so much more to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann than we are frequently led to believe.
I wonder, have the facts become immaterial in your quest to defend the McCanns at any cost? I am happy to be proved wrong.
So, Mr. Gamble, what is it to be? I offer you a full recorded interview (and a final mutual agreement of your contribution to the documentary) so you can be assured that your message will not be taken out of context.
I hope, rather than continuing to behave in a deeply unprofessional, evasive and questionable manner, that you take up this invitation.
If you choose not to, then people will make up their own mind why this might be. Your call.
Sonia Poulton January 28, 2015
Oh dear. Hardly the stance that would be taken by any reputable investigative journalist, is it?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on January 28, 2015, 09:04:19 PM
At least she is giving the matter a public airing for all on twitter to see.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 28, 2015, 09:06:14 PM
I think that may be quite an unprecedented epistle.
In my opinion she has given a classic account of harassment when she states she repeatedly asked Dr McCann for an interview over the period of a year then presented herself uninvited on the doorstep demanding one.
After that little diatribe aimed at Jim Gamble I think hell will freeze before he will acquiesce to be in the same room with her as would anyone with any sense.
Quite extraordinary behaviour.
The worst hypocrisy is that Poulton blames the death of Brenda Leyland on Martin Brunt "doorstepping" her (actually Martin Brunt didn't!)
But think about it.
If Kate had taken her own life after being doorstepped by Poulton, would Poulton be crying?
Or crowing?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carew on January 28, 2015, 09:12:54 PM
"This is a practice you have publicly applauded when it applied to a single, older woman expressing an opinion e.g. Brenda Leyland also from Leicester. And yet, apparently, it is not to your taste when it comes to those who are at the heart of a story of enormous public investment. "
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carew on January 28, 2015, 09:16:04 PM
So who is worse, brunt and Sky, plus the dossier girly boys, or Poulton ?
As to Gamble , judging by his twitter behaviour, he is on a par with Poulton.
You've got to have a bit of class and dignity about it. Brunt/Gamble/Summers/others are ultimately backed by the PM, because he shares their view. If you're going up against that lobby you need to be doing more than cheap stunts imo.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on January 28, 2015, 09:22:01 PM
You've got to have a bit of class and dignity about it. Brunt/Gamble/Summers/others are ultimately backed by the PM, because he shares their view. If you're going up against that lobby you need to be doing more than cheap stunts imo.
When views are backed by solid fact (in respect of all those you name, they are; Kate and Gerry are blameless for the disappearance of their daughter) where's the problem?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 28, 2015, 09:25:54 PM
When views are backed by solid fact (in respect of all those you name, they are; Kate and Gerry are blameless for the disappearance of their daughter) where's the problem?
The day police statements become solid fact is the day we've become a police state 8(0(*
As far as we the public are concerned little evidence has been seen to change the equations in the case since Week 1.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 28, 2015, 09:33:50 PM
Wouldn't you if you had Pointy Poulton harassing you for an interview?
?>)()< I was thinking more in terms his mardy remains a hang over from dear old Kitten Heels chewing nails and spitting rust at him. I could be wrong of course &%+((£
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 28, 2015, 10:07:42 PM
"This is a practice you have publicly applauded when it applied to a single, older woman expressing an opinion e.g. Brenda Leyland also from Leicester. And yet, apparently, it is not to your taste when it comes to those who are at the heart of a story of enormous public investment. "
So is it your stance that someone else"s perceived hypocrisy excuses Sonia's hypocrisy?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on January 28, 2015, 10:13:00 PM
...........and yours that someone else`s perceived hypocrisy excuses Gamble`s, the dossier warriors and Uncle Tom Mythpeoples and all`s hypocrisy?
My stance is very clear. Someone who shrieks blue murder when Brenda Leyland was doorstepped by the media and then claims that doorstepping is perfectly legitimate is being hypocritical. Surely there can be no debate on that matter? If you have a problem with Jim Gamble being a hypocrite too then that's fine but it doesn't change the fact of Sonia's shameless hypocrisy. i have never once expressed any view on Jim Gamble, start a thread and perhaps we can debate them there.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on January 28, 2015, 11:02:59 PM
And know we know things must be bad !!
Welcome back gilet ?{)(**
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 28, 2015, 11:27:34 PM
I liked Jim's withering response to ol' Sonia's twitter letter @)(++(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carana on January 28, 2015, 11:29:38 PM
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on January 29, 2015, 05:08:32 PM
If it keeps the peasants amused and off the streets, it's maybe not all bad ...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 29, 2015, 05:14:22 PM
The Stud Muffin is in Team Sonia - wow, who'da thunk it?! I can just see Smiffy in pom poms and a ra-ra skirt cheering her on from the touchline. @)(++(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on January 29, 2015, 05:19:46 PM
The Stud Muffin is in Team Sonia - wow, who'da thunk it?! I can just see Smiffy in pom poms and a ra-ra skirt cheering her on from the touchline. @)(++(*
I think we could have lived without the knowledge of your fantasies Alfie 8(0(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 29, 2015, 05:20:41 PM
TOPIC, PLEASE.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 29, 2015, 05:22:28 PM
Not properly concerned how you take it Alfie ?{)(**
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 29, 2015, 05:50:56 PM
It's a source of great fascination to me that people who as recently as October 2014 were absolutely up in arms about the doorstepping of Brenda Leyland by Martin Brunt are now fully supportive of a woman who claims that doorstepping is a perfectly valid means of getting a story. Can anyone explain this volte-face?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on January 29, 2015, 06:07:00 PM
It's a source of great fascination to me that people who as recently as October 2014 were absolutely up in arms about the doorstepping of Brenda Leyland by Martin Brunt are now fully supportive of a woman who claims that doorstepping is a perfectly valid means of getting a story. Can anyone explain this volte-face?
It seems SP requested an interview in writing many times over many months therefore when she turned up on the McCann's doorstep it can't have been a complete surprise.
BL had no idea she was going to be accosted in the street and the resulting footage shown every quarter of an hour on Sky News. It would appear she was also told she was being investigated by SY, a complete distortion of the truth.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 29, 2015, 06:09:11 PM
It seems SP requested an interview in writing many times over many months therefore when she turned up on the McCann's doorstep it can't have been a complete surprise.
BL had no idea she was going to be accosted in the street and the resulting footage shown every quarter of an hour on Sky News. It would appear she was also told she was being investigated by SY, a complete distortion of the truth.
It's all about the McCann's, and no feelings for anyone else.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 29, 2015, 06:17:46 PM
It seems SP requested an interview in writing many times over many months therefore when she turned up on the McCann's doorstep it can't have been a complete surprise.
BL had no idea she was going to be accosted in the street and the resulting footage shown every quarter of an hour on Sky News. It would appear she was also told she was being investigated by SY, a complete distortion of the truth.
she doesn't have aright to an interview
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 29, 2015, 06:20:40 PM
It seems SP requested an interview in writing many times over many months therefore when she turned up on the McCann's doorstep it can't have been a complete surprise.
BL had no idea she was going to be accosted in the street and the resulting footage shown every quarter of an hour on Sky News. It would appear she was also told she was being investigated by SY, a complete distortion of the truth.
You cannot be serious. BL courted Martin Brunt. She tweeted at him regularly. She wanted his attention. Therefore it is she who should not have been surprised when he did turn his attention to her. The McCanns, by not responding to Pointy Poulton made it very clear they did NOT want to talk to her but she went ahead anyway, turned up on their doorstep and tried to force Kate into an interview situation. You seriously think Kate should have been expecting that?! What about all the other people Poulton has doorstepped for this interview. You think Dr Gaspar should have been expecting it too? Sonia may not have access to Sky rolling news but she will certainly be intending to get as wide a circulation for her video as possible so don't try and excuse her on that score either.
But none of this is in anyway relevant to the fact that Poulton decried the tactic of doorstepping Brenda and positively championed it when applied to the McCanns. This is blatant hypocrisy and double-standards of the highest order.
BTW, call me a fool al you like if it makes you feel better about yourself, I'd rather be called that than a hypocrite any day.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Montclair on January 29, 2015, 06:22:07 PM
You cannot be serious. BL courted Martin Brunt. She tweeted at him regularly. She wanted his attention. Therefore it is she who should not have been surprised when he did turn his attention to her. The McCanns, by not responding to Pointy Poulton made it very clear they did NOT want to talk to her but she went ahead anyway, turned up on their doorstep and tried to force Kate into an interview situation. You seriously think Kate should have been expecting that?! What about all the other people Poulton has doorstepped for this interview. You think Dr Gaspar should have been expecting it too? Sonia may not have access to Sky rolling news but she will certainly be intending to get as wide a circulation for her video as possible so don't try and excuse her on that score either.
But none of this is in anyway relevant to the fact that Poulton decried the tactic of doorstepping Brenda and positively championed it when applied to the McCanns. This is blatant hypocrisy and double-standards of the highest order.
BTW, call me a fool al you like if it makes you feel better about yourself, I'd rather be called that than a hypocrite any day.
How you distort things to suit your agenda. What I know is that Martin Brunt began following BL on twitter first, probably to set her up and gain her confidence.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 29, 2015, 06:24:54 PM
She has a right to ask for one. Are you saying that only the fawning journalists who ask pre-planned questions are allowed to?
She has a right to ask for one, and arguably even a right to thrust her microphone and pointy finger in Kate McCann's face, but how does she square this with her strident disapproval of Martin Brunt doing the same to Brenda (minus the shrill, pointy finger thing of course).?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 29, 2015, 06:25:30 PM
It's a source of great fascination to me that people who as recently as October 2014 were absolutely up in arms about the doorstepping of Brenda Leyland by Martin Brunt are now fully supportive of a woman who claims that doorstepping is a perfectly valid means of getting a story. Can anyone explain this volte-face?
Easily. They're angry.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Montclair on January 29, 2015, 06:27:27 PM
She has a right to ask for one, and arguably even a right to thrust her microphone and pointy finger in Kate McCann's face, but how does she square this with her strident disapproval of Martin Brunt doing the same to Brenda (minus the shrill, pointy finger thing of course).?
Do you have any idea of how SP acted when she talked to KM? No, you don't.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 29, 2015, 06:27:48 PM
Do you have any idea of how SP acted when she talked to KM? No, you don't.
poulton requested an interview several times and was not given one...that makes it obvious Kate does not wan't to talk to her. So what was poulton's motive...a bit of film to pad out her long awaited you tube video...what else could she hope to gain
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on January 29, 2015, 06:30:38 PM
Do you have any idea of how SP acted when she talked to KM? No, you don't.
By Poulton's own admission:
Kate, I should point out, didn't find my approach at all 'attacking' as you insist on shrieking all over Twitter, until I told her why I was there and what questions the public
Poulton attacked her, verbally.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 29, 2015, 07:02:57 PM
Kate, I should point out, didn't find my approach at all 'attacking' as you insist on shrieking all over Twitter, until I told her why I was there and what questions the public
Poulton attacked her, verbally.
So you think it was OK for brunt and sky to doorstep Leyland ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 29, 2015, 07:04:43 PM
So you think it was OK for brunt and sky to doorstep Leyland ?
I think it was his right to as an investigative journalist, just as I said earlier it is Sonia's right as a journalist to doorstep Kate McCann. I don't think he attacked Brenda though. He was very polite, in fact so polite that she even invited him in to her home. I can't imagine for one moment that Poulton was quite so mild in her approach. But we shall see when the vid's released.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 29, 2015, 07:07:54 PM
Kate, I should point out, didn't find my approach at all 'attacking' as you insist on shrieking all over Twitter, until I told her why I was there and what questions the public
Poulton attacked her, verbally.
So Kate did mind. Thought so.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 29, 2015, 07:09:36 PM
I think it was his right to as an investigative journalist, just as I said earlier it is Sonia's right as a journalist to doorstep Kate McCann. I don't think he attacked Brenda though. He was very polite, in fact so polite that she even invited him in to her home. I can't imagine for one moment that Poulton was quite so mild in her approach. But we shall see when the vid's released.
'He was very polite' .....
Well we know what happened next.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on January 29, 2015, 07:11:42 PM
Bet they both had a right ding dong there on the doorstep @)(++(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on January 29, 2015, 07:13:07 PM
My punch bag certainly came in handy at times. (KM) 8)--))
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 29, 2015, 08:21:35 PM
Can we please get back on topic. Thank you
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 29, 2015, 08:24:03 PM
Sonia is looking a bit stupid and probably getting quite frustrated. Jim Gamble wouldn't speak to her....well done Jim..Kate wouldn't...she won't have much material for her vid. Several politicians refused to speak to her...she is making a name for herself as the person no one wants to speak to. No wonder it's the untold story...she's got no story to tell...
@)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 29, 2015, 08:30:55 PM
Sonia is looking a bit stupid and probably getting quite frustrated. Jim Gamble wouldn't speak to her....well done Jim..Kate wouldn't...she won't have much material for her vid. Several politicians refused to speak to her...she is making a name for herself as the person no one wants to speak to. No wonder it's the untold story...she's got no story to tell...
@)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
She has been videoing the McCann tag on twitter though so that will be interesting. @)(++(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 29, 2015, 09:18:47 PM
Mrs Dale's Sonia Poulton's Diary I am worried about Jim. I tried to speak to him today but he ignored me and cast aspersions on my reputation. I wonder if it has anything to do with him being passed over twice three times. I will make a special dinner for him this evening.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 29, 2015, 09:20:52 PM
Mrs Dale's Sonia Poulton's Diary I am worried about Jim. I tried to speak to him today but he ignored me and cast aspersions on my reputation. I wonder if it has anything to do with him being passed over twice three times. I will make a special dinner for him this evening.
Sonia poulton should expect some bad news soon.....don't ask me how I know
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 29, 2015, 09:21:00 PM
Mrs Dale's Sonia Poulton's Diary I am worried about Jim. I tried to speak to him today but he ignored me and cast aspersions on my reputation. I wonder if it has anything to do with him being passed over twice three times. I will make a special dinner for him this evening.
Indeed, gambles worth is well known.
For all the wrong reasons.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 29, 2015, 09:22:09 PM
What are they angry about exactly and why does their anger turn them into hypocrites?
Those whose anger about personal remarks made about one woman leads them to do the same about another could be said to have "turned into hypocrites."
In one way or another most, if not all, are capable of hypocrisy.
You may prefer to be called a "fool" than a "hypocrite" but in terms of behaviour, as is the case with most of us.........you may not actually have the choice.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 30, 2015, 10:41:18 AM
Those whose anger about personal remarks made about one woman leads them to do the same about another could be said to have "turned into hypocrites."
In one way or another most, if not all, are capable of hypocrisy.
You may prefer to be called a "fool" than a "hypocrite" but in terms of behaviour, as is the case with most of us.........you may not actually have the choice.
Indeed, the choice hypocrisy is by those who believe what brunt and sky did was acceptable and then wailing when Poulton did it to one of the McCann's.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 30, 2015, 02:37:38 PM
Those whose anger about personal remarks made about one woman leads them to do the same about another could be said to have "turned into hypocrites."
In one way or another most, if not all, are capable of hypocrisy.
You may prefer to be called a "fool" than a "hypocrite" but in terms of behaviour, as is the case with most of us.........you may not actually have the choice.
That's for the insult, now please would you clarify in what way I have been hypocritical?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carew on January 30, 2015, 03:38:37 PM
That's for the insult, now please would you clarify in what way I have been hypocritical?
No "insult" intended.
Reading back through yesterday`s posts I saw your comment to effect that you would prefer to be called a fool than a hypocrite. ( post 804 ish)
My observation that "in terms of behaviour , as is the case with most of us...........you may not actually have the choice" refers to your displeasure at any "slagging off" , as you put it, of Kate McCann , whilst typing less than polite comments about Sonia Poulton...........and maybe Ms Butler?
Would that be about right?
If you disagree, you could request my post to be removed.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 30, 2015, 03:56:18 PM
Reading back through yesterday`s posts I saw your comment to effect that you would prefer to be called a fool than a hypocrite. ( post 804 ish)
My observation that "in terms of behaviour , as is the case with most of us...........you may not actually have the choice" refers to your displeasure at any "slagging off" , as you put it, of Kate McCann , whilst typing less than polite comments about Sonia Poulton...........and maybe Ms Butler?
Would that be about right?
If you disagree, you could request my post to be removed.
I don't think you really understand the concept of hypocrisy. Slagging off Kate McCann is, in my opinion, largely unjustified and rather cruel, particularly with reference to events of May 3rd, however I accept that everyone has a right to voice an opinion on her (within the law of course), just as everyone has a right to an opinion on the delectable Ms Poulton. Now, let's try again - examples of my hypocrisy please...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carew on January 30, 2015, 04:05:14 PM
I don't think you really understand the concept of hypocrisy. Slagging off Kate McCann is, in my opinion, largely unjustified and rather cruel, particularly with reference to events of May 3rd, however I accept that everyone has a right to voice an opinion on her (within the law of course), just as everyone has a right to an opinion on the delectable Ms Poulton. Now, let's try again - examples of my hypocrisy please...
If you believe your first comment, what would be the point?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 30, 2015, 04:09:23 PM
I predict it will be a marvellous way to spend a few hours.
A few hours?! A veritable epic then...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2015, 05:30:33 PM
I can see it now....there must be something to hide as despite repeated requests...no one will speak about the maddie case...Kate wouldn't speak....Gamble wouldn't speak...what dark secrets are they hiding
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 31, 2015, 07:55:34 AM
I can see it now....there must be something to hide as despite repeated requests...no one will speak about the maddie case...Kate wouldn't speak....Gamble wouldn't speak...what dark secrets are they hiding
Yup.
THE TRUTH.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2015, 08:36:22 AM
I can see it now....there must be something to hide as despite repeated requests...no one will speak about the maddie case...Kate wouldn't speak....Gamble wouldn't speak...what dark secrets are they hiding
Maybe she could seek some assistance for her problem ... or retitle her documentary to something like "Fifty Different Ways to Have a Door Slammed in Your Face When Doorstepping" ?
Question Why does no one talk to me?
Answer from D I think you are on the right track, you should keep trying to strike up conversations and I think that they will come around. No one likes someone instantly you just need to keep working on it. You could always try talking to them about what you know they like, like R&B, unless you don't like it, don't be fake. People need to like you for who you are https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090324232851AAU7oJG
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2015, 11:25:23 AM
Maybe she could seek some assistance for her problem ... or retitle her documentary to something like "Fifty Different Ways to Have a Door Slammed in Your Face When Doorstepping" ?
Question Why does no one talk to me?
Answer from D I think you are on the right track, you should keep trying to strike up conversations and I think that they will come around. No one likes someone instantly you just need to keep working on it. You could always try talking to them about what you know they like, like R&B, unless you don't like it, don't be fake. People need to like you for who you are https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090324232851AAU7oJG
Poulton will claim that no one will speak to her because of a pact of silence but the real reason is she has little credibility as a journalist...her last published article is almost a year ago
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 31, 2015, 11:27:50 AM
Maybe she could seek some assistance for her problem ... or retitle her documentary to something like "Fifty Different Ways to Have a Door Slammed in Your Face When Doorstepping" ?
Question Why does no one talk to me?
Answer from D I think you are on the right track, you should keep trying to strike up conversations and I think that they will come around. No one likes someone instantly you just need to keep working on it. You could always try talking to them about what you know they like, like R&B, unless you don't like it, don't be fake. People need to like you for who you are https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090324232851AAU7oJG
However, for you, doorstepping of Brenda Leyland was perfectly OK.
One rule for the mccanns, and one for the non-mccbelievers ? 8)--)) 8((()*/
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 31, 2015, 11:28:52 AM
Poulton will claim that no one will speak to her because of a pact of silence but the real reason is she has little credibility as a journalist...her last published article is almost a year ago
Whoops on that one.
I heard she was on Sky the other day.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on January 31, 2015, 12:05:22 PM
However, for you, doorstepping of Brenda Leyland was perfectly OK.
One rule for the mccanns, and one for the non-mccbelievers ? 8)--)) 8((()*/
There is a vast difference between a person choosing to communicate and interact with a journalist and a person who has never communicated with - or showed any desire to be communicated by a journalist.
The former invite them into their homes. The latter do not.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on January 31, 2015, 12:05:39 PM
However, for you, doorstepping of Brenda Leyland was perfectly OK.
One rule for the mccanns, and one for the non-mccbelievers ? 8)--)) 8((()*/
Please refrain from making your presumptive and self opinionated posts in defence of hypocrites desperate for the clink of the Murdoch Shilling ... and do what the majority of sensible people are doing ... which is waiting for the coroner's verdict.
Perhaps it would be worth bearing in mind that not only did Brenda Leyland fail to slam the door in Martin Brunt's face ... she invited him into her home to speak with him.
If Sonia Poulton has been commissioned to make her documentary ... I wonder who might have commissioned it? ... should sell a good few newspapers depending on what the coroner has to say or if and when there is a prosecution deriving from the Troll Dossier ... and it is all there in her possession ... I can almost hear the clinking of fevered anticipation.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 31, 2015, 12:17:13 PM
Please refrain from making your presumptive and self opinionated posts in defence of hypocrites desperate for the clink of the Murdoch Shilling ... and do what the majority of sensible people are doing ... which is waiting for the coroner's verdict.
Perhaps it would be worth bearing in mind that not only did Brenda Leyland fail to slam the door in Martin Brunt's face ... she invited him into her home to speak with him.
If Sonia Poulton has been commissioned to make her documentary ... I wonder who might have commissioned it? ... should sell a good few newspapers depending on what the coroner has to say or if and when there is a prosecution deriving from the Troll Dossier ... and it is all there in her possession ... I can almost hear the clinking of fevered anticipation.
The clear hypocrites and s### bags are those who compiled the dossier, who were in clear contact with the mccanns, before the mccanns handed the dossier to the Met.
As to Brenda Leyland, did she really expect to be accosted in the street by brunt on a false premise, that she was under investigation.
One has to wonder at the motivations of people like you who try to bend the truth in favour of the mccanns, and therefore make conclusions as to your relationship with them.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2015, 01:43:58 PM
'Following a raid in 2011, investigators uncovered a huge client database and found that UK visitors were among the most frequent. The customer list was quietly shared with police forces around the world who rounded up and jailed suspects.
A file containing the names of up to 2,345 suspects had been sent to the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (Ceop) in 2012, but was shelved after a superficial review found some of the material was ‘low grade’. It was not until November the following year when the huge success of the operation was made public in Canada that UK police realised they had made a mistake. Ceop’s successor, the National Crime Agency (NCA), ordered the details to be rushed out to forces across England and Wales.'
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 31, 2015, 02:27:13 PM
'Following a raid in 2011, investigators uncovered a huge client database and found that UK visitors were among the most frequent. The customer list was quietly shared with police forces around the world who rounded up and jailed suspects.
A file containing the names of up to 2,345 suspects had been sent to the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (Ceop) in 2012, but was shelved after a superficial review found some of the material was ‘low grade’. It was not until November the following year when the huge success of the operation was made public in Canada that UK police realised they had made a mistake. Ceop’s successor, the National Crime Agency (NCA), ordered the details to be rushed out to forces across England and Wales.'
Could you please clarify for the purposes of future debate with yourself when we may and may not take newspaper stories at their face value, many thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on January 31, 2015, 02:36:25 PM
Could you please clarify for the purposes of future debate with yourself when we may and may not take newspaper stories at their face value, many thanks in advance.
According to your good self when you can assess the credibilty of the journalist who penned it.
Further into the article but also very intersting :
SNIP
Yesterday Toronto police told of their frustration at the lack of communication with the UK. Detective Sgt Kim Gross said: ‘We were trying to connect but we weren’t getting any feedback.’ She said Spain and the US were ‘fast to act’ and officers spoke directly to colleagues in South Africa, Hong Kong and Australia. But there was no ‘open line of communication’ in the UK. ‘Britain had to go through their channels. It is unfortunate,’ she added. On a visit to London this week, Toronto police chief Bill Blair added: ‘Close international co-operation is something required for tackling this particular type of crime.’
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on January 31, 2015, 05:21:41 PM
Please refrain from making your presumptive and self opinionated posts in defence of hypocrites desperate for the clink of the ... and do what the majority of sensible people are doing ... which is waiting for the coroner's verdict.
Perhaps it would be worth bearing in mind that not only did Brenda Leyland fail to slam the door in Martin Brunt's face ... she invited him into her home to speak with him.
If Sonia Poulton has been commissioned to make her documentary ... I wonder who might have commissioned it? ... should sell a good few newspapers depending on what the coroner has to say or if and when there is a prosecution deriving from the Troll Dossier ... and it is all there in her possession ... I can almost hear the clinking of fevered anticipation.
Ahhh the 'Murdoch Shilling' Lets l have a little lookie to see how far that spread...
SKY news owned by murdoch ...Sky News first to announce the 'abduction' hours after the event! - did someone call them? Hmmmm
News of the World owned by Murdoch- gave money which the public donated for 'charities' to "The Fund"! as it was closing down. ( McCanns never handed to charities hell no!)
Sun Newspapers owned by Murdoch - gave Kate McCann a platform to sell her book...sex and all (Maddies disappearance had an effect on their sex life) O M G .
Murdoch employee- *persuaded*( by what means we do not know) the Prime Minister to spend millions on a child disappearance.
Hmmm smell the millions little Maddie has made them all. Blood money!
Sonia may or may not be in this for the money- it is good to see some one stand up to the MSN and the Team McC.
I agree with Stephen re doorstepping .. people who live in glass houses should refrain from chucking stones!
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 31, 2015, 07:01:11 PM
Is self-confessed bitch, online abuse addict and Soaraway Sun Superstar Whatsername Hutton a contributor to Poulton's video exposay of the troof, does anyone know?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on January 31, 2015, 07:08:03 PM
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off topic. Can we please try and get back on again...Thank you.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: DCI on January 31, 2015, 07:08:26 PM
Is self-confessed bitch, online abuse addict and Soaraway Sun Superstar Whatsername Hutton a contributor to Poulton's video exposay of the troof, does anyone know?
Apparently so! Seems her porkies are fast catching up with her though.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 31, 2015, 07:19:04 PM
Apparently so! Seems her porkies are fast catching up with her though.
Then, I'm rather surprised that Hutton didn't use her moment of infamy in the Nation's Favourite Newspaper today to promote the forth-coming "Untold Story Of Madeleine McCann" . No publicity is bad publicity as they say.... *&*%£
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on January 31, 2015, 07:21:42 PM
As to relevance to the topic, well Poulton's video is supposed to about showing the 'abduction' for what it is, a made up story.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: DCI on January 31, 2015, 07:27:00 PM
Then, I'm rather surprised that Hutton didn't use her moment of infamy in the Nation's Favourite Newspaper today to promote the forth-coming "Untold Story Of Madeleine McCann" . No publicity is bad publicity as they say.... *&*%£
"No publicity is bad publicity as they say".
Seems not in her case.
David Steel @DaSteelMan 3h3 hours ago There are so many cringeworthy things in today's Sun article. Must admit, I'm shocked at Linda. #McCann
David Steel @DaSteelMan 3h3 hours ago Must admit The Sun article today is awful. When you admit to attacking the #McCann's you deserve all you get.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on January 31, 2015, 07:29:12 PM
It is what some people have been reduced to as a result of desperation.
The naivety shown by some w.r.t. the court case and the 'investigation' is quite staggering.
so...the question you are avoiding is...what is poultons track record as a journalist...she doesn't appear to have one. Her wiki page summarises her 23 yr career as...
Poulton was born in Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England.[1][not in citation given] In 1992, she launched Go For The Juggler, an independent music company which managed artists and released music. The company only survived a year and she returned to journalism as a freelancer.[2] She disputes Top Of The Pops magazine editor Peter Loraine for the credit of inventing the Spice Girls' nicknames, saying it was her suggestion.[3] In 1996 Poulton interviewed hip hop artist The Notorious B.I.G.[4] She has written for the black music paper Echoes and appeared on Kiss FM.[5]
Poulton has contributed to The Jeremy Vine Show on Radio 2, including a live appearance at the Corinium Museum, Cirencester.[6] She has appeared as a guest on ITV’s This Morning[7] and contributed to the The Daily Mail’s Right Minds section as part of a pool of bloggers.[8] She has appeared as a guest on BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour, including a discussion on celebacy[9] and children's attendance at funerals.[10] She is a patron of a fibromyalgia support group in Cheltenham.[11][12]
not much of a career over 23 years
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2015, 10:20:41 AM
Poulton has no track record as a journalist...fact
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 01, 2015, 10:36:11 AM
...so for the wiki page, why don't you take it or leave it?
Poulton is writing an article claiming to tell the untold story...in order to assess this article we need to understand the credentials of the writer...it's basic
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on February 01, 2015, 10:54:31 AM
Poulton is writing an article claiming to tell the untold story...in order to assess this article we need to understand the credentials of the writer...it's basic
In order to assess this article (documentary), one first has to view it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2015, 10:59:03 AM
I'm not wrong..can you tell me approx. how many articles she has written...apart from thos e related to the gangsta rap music scene...her last article appears to be almost a year ago
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carana on February 01, 2015, 11:15:48 AM
I've not seen a wikipedia page like that before ...have I been leading a sheltered life?
The process behind the scenes on Wikipedia is often as interesting as the articles themselves. Anyone can create a page (or contribute to editing an existing one), but as it's intended to be an encylopaedia, there are a number of rules as to content and style. All content has to be neutral, backed up by credible secondary sources, so self-publicity and exaggeration are red flags.
The associated talk page is to discuss editorial issues and there can sometimes be pages of discussion over the phrasing or appropriate content of a single sentence.
The process is transparent so the discussions can be viewed by the public, and there is a log of all changes over time for accountability.
Although newbie editors are free to join the discussion, the process is led by - and often mainly between - experienced ones with considerable kudos.
Sonia's original page had claims that, upon checking, they found couldn't be backed up or were substantially exaggerated - hence the discussion.
PS: Before anyone gets any bright ideas, the Madeleine page is protected due to the amount of defamatory trolling.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 01, 2015, 11:16:15 AM
But Summmers has written several best sellers and has along history in TV and journalism..can you see the difference
But that wasn't the question.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carana on February 01, 2015, 11:28:44 AM
Here's an earlier version of the page (although as I'm not sure when the page was created, I have no idea how much editing there had been before this):
Here's an earlier version of the page (although as I'm not sure when the page was created, I have no idea how much editing there had been before this):
Most of our most respected journalists didn't do a journalism degree but learned their trade from the bottom up eg Paul Foot, Nick Davies and Robert Fisk.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: misty on February 01, 2015, 12:23:03 PM
Most of our most respected journalists didn't do a journalism degree but learned their trade from the bottom up eg Paul Foot, Nick Davies and Robert Fisk.
Learning your trade from the bottom up is considerably different to dabbling in advocacy journalism.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 01, 2015, 12:26:44 PM
Most of our most respected journalists didn't do a journalism degree but learned their trade from the bottom up eg Paul Foot, Nick Davies and Robert Fisk.
Do you consider Sonia Poulton to be a respected journalist in the same league as the ones you mention above?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carana on February 01, 2015, 12:28:15 PM
Thanks for that, Carana. So Sonia apparently has no degree in journalism.
No, but to be fair quite a few don't. However, in view of her interest in pursuing advocacy / controversy, a course in media law and ethics might be worthwhile...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Angelo222 on February 01, 2015, 12:42:48 PM
Is what Sonia Poulton is planning any less provocative than what Brunty did to Brenda Leyland or Lisa Holland did to Brett King?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2015, 12:54:12 PM
Journalists from The Times, The Sunday Times, The Independent, The Mail on Sunday, The Telegraph, and the Guardian all win awards at Press Gazette's British Journalism Awards.
Journalist of the year went to The Times' Andrew Norfolk for his long-running investigation into child abuse. Judges said that he "stood out as a magnificent example of what can be achieved by an ordinary reporter" and that his investigation, "which began with a front page story in January 2011 and culminated in the Jay report published in August this year" demonstrates that "sometimes journalists can step in when police, local and central government have failed".
Anthony Loyd, also from The Times, won the Marie Colvin Award in recognition of his 25 year career covering war zones. The judges said: "Like Marie Colvin, Anthony Loyd has risked his life to report on the unfolding humanitarian disaster in Syria. Earlier this year he, along with photographer Jack Hill, were kidnapped while returning to Turkey from a reporting assignment in Syria. They were badly beaten and Loyd himself was shot twice, but thankfully they were both freed."
They went on to praise the "quality and humanity of [Loyd's] writing, the depth of his insight and his ability to bring home globally significant scoops" and drew attention to the fact that "since recovering from his gunshot injuries he has returned to frontline journalism reporting most recently on the spread of Ebola in Sierra Leone".
The Sunday Times' insight team, Jonathan Calvert and Heidi Blake, won three awards – Business journalist of the year for their investigation into RBS 'killing off good firms for profit', and investigation of the year and sports journalist of the year for their investigation into FIFA.
About the former the judges said that the investigation "was in the public interest, revelatory and it’s had a huge impact", while the latter "was the most significant sports story of the year… they took a huge dossier of evidence and turned it into a compellingly told story with no angle left unexplored".
Politics journalist of the year also went to a team at The Times comprising of Greg Hurst, Francis Elliott, Rachel Sylvester and Alice Thomson for stories headlined 'Angry Cameron rebukes rivals as Tory rift widens', 'Islamist schools top Ofsted rating' and 'Cameron bumbles from one shambles to another with no sense of purpose'.
Making The Times and Sunday Times' combined award count of the night seven, The Sunday Times' George Arbuthnott picked up the award for campaign of the year for his work on slavery in modern-day Britain, which the judges said "exposed a little reported scandal affecting some of the most vulnerable people in the world".
Nick Craven and Ross Slater from The Mail on Sunday took the breaking news award, 'the best story of the year', for it 'Crystal meth shame of bank chief', described as "a great example of old fashioned tabloid journalism which held the powerful to account".
Innovation of the year went to the Guardian for its 'NSA Files: Decoded' project which judges said "set a new standard for interactive digital story-telling by a UK publication… [combining] video, data and old fashioned text-based journalism skills". They added that "The Guardian has continued to own this story by finding new ways to make it meaningful to people".
Foreign affairs journalist of the year was awarded to Patrick Cockburn from The Independent for his coverage of the emergence of ISIS. Judges said he "spotted the emergence of ISIS much earlier than anybody else and wrote about it with a depth of understanding that was just in a league of its own".
The Telegraph's David Rose won the award for photojournalist of the year with judges saying his "pictures of the conflict in Ukraine were examples of news photography at its most dramatic. Brave and sympathetic, they were a potent demonstration of the way still print images have enduring power that video does not".
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2015, 02:00:30 PM
Apart from the names Faith mentioned, and a few others, who does these days?
Not many. They're all in the entertainment business.
There are journalists who write regularly for newspapers...not a few but hundreds....SP does not seem to be one of these. She has no track record as an investigative journalist
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 01, 2015, 02:03:34 PM
Oh yes, Alfred. Jonathan Calvert and Heidi Blake. They're very good ?{)(**
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 01, 2015, 02:06:59 PM
There are journalists who write regularly for newspapers...not a few but hundreds....SP does not seem to be one of these. She has no track record as an investigative journalist
She's making a film anyway. It's not the same thing. It's pretty easy to make a sensational film based on this case, but it's not easy to write about it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 01, 2015, 02:07:29 PM
Jonathan Calvert and Heidi Blake, Alfred 8)-)))
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 01, 2015, 02:13:00 PM
She's making a film anyway. It's not the same thing. It's pretty easy to make a sensational film based on this case, but it's not easy to write about it.
So it will be along the lines of "ET (come) home".
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 01, 2015, 02:21:37 PM
Yes, that is why they won awards for a couple of excellent newspaper articles. Now, has Sonia ever won a similar award?
Doubt it. But she's making a film, not writing. Different beast entirely. There's even fewer standout documentary makers than there are journalists. The papers and TV just aren't in that business anymore.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2015, 02:29:08 PM
so no support for the credibility of SP...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 01, 2015, 02:33:38 PM
Shes very credible as a filmmaker. She might make a great one or great ones one day, but I doubt it will be on this subject.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2015, 02:37:32 PM
Well, I hope she doesn't put any of the recent ones up for an award. Although some of those screeching after politicians might do quite well in the comedy section.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on February 01, 2015, 02:43:02 PM
Irrespective of her alleged credibility I shall be interested in what she has to say.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2015, 02:45:51 PM
Doubt it. But she's making a film, not writing. Different beast entirely. There's even fewer standout documentary makers than there are journalists. The papers and TV just aren't in that business anymore.
What she plans to do has no bearing on her standing as a journo now, which is why I asked if she had ever won any awards in her chosen career.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carana on February 01, 2015, 03:30:25 PM
I don't know, I haven't looked. Equipment and contacts aren't enough, you also need a script. So far we've just heard about stunts. Who knows what else she has &%+((£
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: DCI on February 01, 2015, 05:02:34 PM
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 01, 2015, 05:05:57 PM
This has become quite sad.
The more certain parties attack Poulton, the mere credence she gets.
and some are too blind to see that,
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 01, 2015, 05:07:03 PM
Sonia seems to be very much in the there's no such thing as bad publicity school, so publicity must be the film's aim. Regardless of who gets in the way or hurt probably. It's a crusade.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on February 01, 2015, 05:08:35 PM
If she didn't worry you and the rest of the brethren you wouldn't keep commenting.
How sad. *&*%£
Credibility ??? ... she is awesomely incredible.
Sonia Poulton doesn't bother me in the slightest in fact, I can hardly wait for the next disaster associated with her. At the moment it would seem she is one of the main subjects of comment by your brethren and I do see why.
Sonia Poulton@SoniaPoulton #journorequest am looking for a passionate #mccann anti, prepared to be identified for a newspaper feature. Chance to put case forward.
Ms Hutton certainly did walk into the lion's den set up on that one as I think was the expectation and intention.
The newspaper feature was certainly a "chance to put case forward" but funnily enough the Sun story was concerned with trolls and Ms Hutton was a lamb to the slaughter ... incidentally, it might be worth taking a peek at the online abuse she is getting from the Brenda Leyland set.
I'm not convinced the anticipated documentary is the one followers of #mccann et al were expecting although anyone who has passed on personal information to Sonia Poulton might be coming round to my way of thinking about that at the moment.
I doubt if any of the responders to her tweet who might have thought they were being given the opportunity "to put the case" in a newspaper feature gave it a moments thought they might have been getting 'set up' ... wonder what Sonia's finder fee from the Sun was for that little betrayal?
Awesome!
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 01, 2015, 10:12:28 PM
People take these things far too seriously, Brietta. The article makes not a jot of difference because the media already had that opinion about 'trolls' anyway.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2015, 10:19:56 PM
People take these things far too seriously, Brietta. The article makes not a jot of difference because the media already had that opinion about 'trolls' anyway.
There certainly are a lot of people taking being 'outed' by one of their own very seriously indeed ... I am sure you will have seen their outrage displayed in full in their usual internet haunts. They are not happy bunnies at the moment.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 01, 2015, 11:06:19 PM
There certainly are a lot of people taking being 'outed' by one of their own very seriously indeed ... I am sure you will have seen their outrage displayed in full in their usual internet haunts. They are not happy bunnies at the moment.
I know, because they're in denial. I know the article makes a difference for them, but it doesn't much for the rest of the world. I think people have the sense to know that online chatters have no power, but the famous trolls - like Hopkins, and many so-called respectable columnists - are the ones who really shape discussion.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2015, 11:20:03 PM
I know, because they're in denial. I know the article makes a difference for them, but it doesn't much for the rest of the world.
The only thing that interests people in the real world is whether or not the Met and the PJ are going to be able to find Madeleine or at the least find out what may have happened to her.
I will guarantee the majority have never heard of Mr Amaral or any of the main players ... but I also guarantee that those who do stumble inadvertantly into the murky world of the controversy are totally appalled when they find out exactly the extra suffering being endured by the McCann family.
I think Sonia Poulson is astute enough to realise her documentary audience will be severely limited ... she has bigger aims than that ... which is why I suspect she is going to pull a blinder.
Troll being a buzz word in the MSM at the moment ... nothing like striking while the iron is hot ... and it may be very hot around the time of the inquest verdict.
However short lived ... she will be anxious for her fifteen minutes of fame ... I think she will grab with both hands.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 01, 2015, 11:27:24 PM
The only thing that interests people in the real world is whether or not the Met and the PJ are going to be able to find Madeleine or at the least find out what may have happened to her.
I will guarantee the majority have never heard of Mr Amaral or any of the main players ... but I also guarantee that those who do stumble inadvertantly into the murky world of the controversy are totally appalled when they find out exactly the extra suffering being endured by the McCann family.
I think Sonia Poulson is astute enough to realise her documentary audience will be severely limited ... she has bigger aims than that ... which is why I suspect she is going to pull a blinder.
Troll being a buzz word in the MSM at the moment ... nothing like striking while the iron is hot ... and it may be very hot around the time of the inquest verdict.
However short lived ... she will be anxious for her fifteen minutes of fame ... I think she will grab with both hands.
Yes, but she means your trolls.
I think she'll make as sensational a film as possible, but you should remember her declaration after what happened to BL wasn't fake. We can be sure SP isn't going to make a film that makes Brenda look bad. At least not intentionally.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2015, 11:54:29 PM
I think she'll make as sensational a film as possible, but you should remember her declaration after what happened to BL wasn't fake. We can be sure SP isn't going to make a film that makes Brenda look bad. At least not intentionally.
I don't have any trolls ... but I seem to have touched a nerve in you.
Sonia Poulson has set up one associate by soliciting interaction with a Sun journalist ... I have no reason to think she will not be prepared to betray others alive or dead ... if the price is right.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 02, 2015, 12:04:27 AM
I don't have any trolls ... but I seem to have touched a nerve in you.
Sonia Poulson has set up one associate by soliciting interaction with a Sun journalist ... I have no reason to think she will not be prepared to betray others alive or dead ... if the price is right.
See you're in denial also. There are people operating on twitter (I wouldn't know about facebook because I never go there) who share your opinion on the case, behaving in many similar ways to those you'd say are trolls. I personally never had any problem with most there, but definitely did with some.
We'll have to agree to disagree about Sonia. She's not making the kind of film you're suggesting she may be, but on the other hand she won't be being honest about online behaviour either (she's also in denial).
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on February 02, 2015, 12:09:24 AM
See you're in denial also. There are people operating on twitter (I wouldn't know about facebook because I never go there) who share your opinion on the case, behaving in many similar ways to those you'd say are trolls. I personally never had any problem with most there, but definitely did with some.
We'll have to agree to disagree about Sonia. She's not making the kind of film you're suggesting she may be, but on the other hand she won't be being honest about online behaviour either (she's also in denial).
I'd prefer it if Katie Hopkins was making the film ! Now that would put the cat amongst the pigeons ! @)(++(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 02, 2015, 12:12:53 AM
See you're in denial also. There are people operating on twitter (I wouldn't know about facebook because I never go there) who share your opinion on the case, behaving in many similar ways to those you'd say are trolls. I personally never had any problem with most there, but definitely did with some.
We'll have to agree to disagree about Sonia. She's not making the kind of film you're suggesting she may be, but on the other hand she won't be being honest about online behaviour either (she's also in denial).
I neither "do" F/B or 'twitter' and rely for my information on what is going on in both arenas from blogs representative of both sides and I have seen some really offensive, nay sick making, obscenities directed at Madeleine ... so please do not preach to me because some idiot you may have been corresponding with has ruffled your feathers .
Regarding Sonia Poulton ... time will tell.
Either we will hear as much as was heard about her Icke documentary ... or the documentary content will not match what is written on the label ... think about it.
Why would Brenda Leyland be mentioned in the same breath as Madeleine McCann?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 02, 2015, 01:52:30 AM
I neither "do" F/B or 'twitter' and rely for my information on what is going on in both arenas from blogs representative of both sides and I have seen some really offensive, nay sick making, obscenities directed at Madeleine ... so please do not preach to me because some idiot you may have been corresponding with has ruffled your feathers .
Regarding Sonia Poulton ... time will tell.
Either we will hear as much as was heard about her Icke documentary ... or the documentary content will not match what is written on the label ... think about it.
Why would Brenda Leyland be mentioned in the same breath as Madeleine McCann?
Because she died, and whatever the circumstances of her death there clearly are things to say about what Sky News did. I don't share the obsession with the 'dossier' compiler(s) but Sky News definitely have questions to answer. MB mentioned police to BL. Not true. He mentioned CPS to her. Also not true. Sky News linked BL to tweets made by others in their report, and the report was shown constantly during the day (therefore it was nothing like an edition of Watchdog or Cook Report etc.). It was humiliation by a huge multimedia organisation. It was overkill.
So there are plenty of things to say and ask. But If I were making the film I'd separate that from discussion of what happened to Madeleine, but I doubt SP will.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on February 02, 2015, 02:41:56 AM
Because she died, and whatever the circumstances of her death there clearly are things to say about what Sky News did. I don't share the obsession with the 'dossier' compiler(s) but Sky News definitely have questions to answer. MB mentioned police to BL. Not true. He mentioned CPS to her. Also not true. Sky News linked BL to tweets made by others in their report, and the report was shown constantly during the day (therefore it was nothing like an edition of Watchdog or Cook Report etc.). It was humiliation by a huge multimedia organisation. It was overkill.
So there are plenty of things to say and ask. But If I were making the film I'd separate that from discussion of what happened to Madeleine, but I doubt SP will.
Lyall ... we have all seen those tweets ... we have all seen the Sky news report ... and we have all seen the newspaper articles.
The coroner's verdict is intended to put the stamp on Brenda Leyland's death and from there the decent course of action would be to leave the woman to rest in peace and allow her family to get on with their lives.
To be honest, from what I have seen of Sonia Poulton's videos on You Tube I don't think she has it in her to make anything other than amateurish, self promoting rubbish and ... ooooh that voice!
I await with interest to see if I am wrong in that critique if the doc ever sees the light of day.
But it is worthy of note that her part in the Sun expose has not gone unnoticed or unremarked by former buddies et al whose suspicions dovetail with mine.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 02, 2015, 03:05:53 AM
Lyall ... we have all seen those tweets ... we have all seen the Sky news report ... and we have all seen the newspaper articles.
The coroner's verdict is intended to put the stamp on Brenda Leyland's death and from there the decent course of action would be to leave the woman to rest in peace and allow her family to get on with their lives.
To be honest, from what I have seen of Sonia Poulton's videos on You Tube I don't think she has it in her to make anything other than amateurish, self promoting rubbish and ... ooooh that voice!
I await with interest to see if I am wrong in that critique if the doc ever sees the light of day.
But it is worthy of note that her part in the Sun expose has not gone unnoticed or unremarked by former buddies et al whose suspicions dovetail with mine.
I see it as writing history, not as using that tragedy for political or propaganda purposes. No newspaper accurately reported at the time what occurred, so there's a need for it. I'm not sure that's what SP is doing mind you. She appears very much concerned with 'dossier' makers and trolls perceived to have been targeting BL (I wasn't discussing the case on twitter at the time so I don't know what went on exactly), so the Sun article will still make perfect sense to her because it talked about 'trolls' on both sides (kind of anyway). It's the other side to the story the newspapers told about BL that she wants to tell.
But I think she'll do it in a very sensational way, in an attempt to maximise viewers and publicity. Sensational might mean crude (we've already seen that with the apparent Rothley visit), but it will still make sense to Sonia. That's her media world.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 02, 2015, 03:11:50 AM
If any newspaper writer had reported the actual facts and/or criticised Sky News last October for what they did then you'd have a point about post-inquest, but they didn't.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 02, 2015, 03:23:43 AM
Summers and Swan published a book during a live investigation, and did kind of set a precedent there. Clearly they would agree there's nothing wrong with recording history.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: colombosstogey on February 02, 2015, 05:52:02 AM
Topic: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann". (Read 15072 times) *&*%£
and she hasnt even published her video yet lol...and everyone is talking about it, all over the Internet, way to go Sonia, even if she doesnt publish her video so many people out there all doing their own versions on forums lol...i love it......she is very clever... 8@??)(
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 02, 2015, 07:14:55 AM
Topic: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann". (Read 15072 times) *&*%£
and she hasnt even published her video yet lol...and everyone is talking about it, all over the Internet, way to go Sonia, even if she doesnt publish her video so many people out there all doing their own versions on forums lol...i love it......she is very clever... 8@??)(
she has certainly fooled you
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 02, 2015, 07:38:30 AM
Lyall ... we have all seen those tweets ... we have all seen the Sky news report ... and we have all seen the newspaper articles.
The coroner's verdict is intended to put the stamp on Brenda Leyland's death and from there the decent course of action would be to leave the woman to rest in peace and allow her family to get on with their lives.
To be honest, from what I have seen of Sonia Poulton's videos on You Tube I don't think she has it in her to make anything other than amateurish, self promoting rubbish and ... ooooh that voice!
I await with interest to see if I am wrong in that critique if the doc ever sees the light of day.
But it is worthy of note that her part in the Sun expose has not gone unnoticed or unremarked by former buddies et al whose suspicions dovetail with mine.
' To be honest, from what I have seen of Sonia Poulton's videos on You Tube I don't think she has it in her to make anything other than amateurish, self promoting rubbish and ... ooooh that voice! '
That is your opinion, and in the scheme of things, merely reflects the continued attacks on Poulton, who as you and others keep telling us is not worth listening to, yet you continue to attack her.
Actually it has become laughable, and as I said gives Poulton more credence.
As to voices, I can think of TWO PEOPLE whose vocal intonations are so irritating and crass, that one mere word from either of their them is akin to an old fashioned blackboard being scratched.
Painful isn't the word for it. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on February 02, 2015, 09:46:33 AM
I don't have any trolls ... but I seem to have touched a nerve in you.
Sonia Poulson has set up one associate by soliciting interaction with a Sun journalist ... I have no reason to think she will not be prepared to betray others alive or dead ... if the price is right.
I wonder if SP had the following in mind when she was making arrangements for the Sun to interview Ms Hutton, as there doesn't appear to be any room for 'misunderstanding' in this very clear statement:-
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''Freedom of speech should not include the freedom to bully and spread lies. Perhaps by exposing trolls it will serve as a warning that our society is no longer prepared to tolerate abuse''. (Sonia Poulton)
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on February 02, 2015, 09:52:35 AM
I wonder if SP had the following in mind when she was making arrangements for the Sun to interview Ms Hutton, as there doesn't appear to be any room for 'misunderstanding' in this very clear statement:-
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''Freedom of speech should not include the freedom to bully and spread lies. Perhaps by exposing trolls it will serve as a warning that our society is no longer prepared to tolerate abuse''. (Sonia Poulton)
I very much doubt that Poulton is naive, so what else to think?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on February 02, 2015, 10:02:48 AM
I wonder if SP had the following in mind when she was making arrangements for the Sun to interview Ms Hutton, as there doesn't appear to be any room for 'misunderstanding' in this very clear statement:-
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''Freedom of speech should not include the freedom to bully and spread lies. Perhaps by exposing trolls it will serve as a warning that our society is no longer prepared to tolerate abuse''. (Sonia Poulton)
She wrote that in 2012, pity she hasn't taken note of what she said then.
"There are cases of troll victims committing suicide and the relentless attacks can leave people emotionally drained and with their mental and physical health affected".
"PEOPLE who lead full and productive lives do not become trolls but those who are dissatisfied, and who have mental health issues, often do".
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on February 02, 2015, 10:34:46 AM
Thank you Anna. That doesn't sound to me like someone who would admire and support Ms Hutton - or BL for that matter, who IIRC, also accused a poster who she believed was witness in the McCann case of being a prostitute.
Curiouser and curiouser.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on February 02, 2015, 10:41:40 AM
She wrote that in 2012, pity she hasn't taken note of what she said then.
"There are cases of troll victims committing suicide and the relentless attacks can leave people emotionally drained and with their mental and physical health affected".
"PEOPLE who lead full and productive lives do not become trolls but those who are dissatisfied, and who have mental health issues, often do".
It is an interesting article, which, unless I am mistaken, seems to contradict what is now being said, in her defence of BL.
"They worry that the power to name and shame trolls, including the possibility of prosecution, will lead to censorship and damage free speech. I disagree. Freedom of speech should not include the freedom to bully and spread lies. Perhaps by exposing trolls it will serve as a warning that our society is no longer prepared to tolerate abuse. For the reality is this: just because internet attacks are nameless and faceless it does not make them harmless.” …….Sonia Poulton
Thank you Anna. That doesn't sound to me like someone who would admire and support Ms Hutton - or BL for that matter, who IIRC, also accused a poster who she believed was witness in the McCann case of being a prostitute.
Curiouser and curiouser.
Very strange indeed! I remember a mention of that accusation, but Sonia obviously doesn't think that was abuse either..... I cant quite understand what this lady believes, or is trying to put to rights &%+((£
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on February 02, 2015, 11:06:47 AM
Very strange indeed! I remember a mention of that accusation, but Sonia obviously doesn't think that was abuse either..... I cant quite understand what this lady believes, or is trying to put to rights &%+((£
Me neither.
IMO either SP - without any explanation - has done a complete 'U turn' on the subject of trolls and is going to make a video - which in order to please sceptics will inevitably be extremely libellous - thus leaving herself open to legal action.
Or she has successfully duped the trolls into queuing up to give her the evidence she needs to make a video proving how right she was about trolls in her 2012 article - with no threat at all of legal action..
Whether she is 'daring' enough to have done the latter - I have no idea.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on February 02, 2015, 11:17:17 AM
IMO either SP - without any explanation - has done a complete 'U turn' on the subject of trolls and is going to make a video - which in order to please sceptics will inevitably be extremely libellous - thus leaving herself open to legal action.
Or she has successfully duped the trolls into queuing up to give her the evidence she needs to make a video proving how right she was about trolls in her 2012 article - with no threat at all of legal action..
Whether she is 'daring' enough to have done the latter - I have no idea.
I guess, it's another ......We'll have to wait and see.
I do hope, that nobody gets hurt, in the process of making this, Film/documentary.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on February 02, 2015, 11:20:16 AM
A Filmed Expose on Trolls has been begging to happen for at least seven years. Could this be it? If so, I am not sure that I will approve as it will have been done with deception. And even Trolls don't deserve that. IMO.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on February 02, 2015, 11:50:57 AM
A Filmed Expose on Trolls has been begging to happen for at least seven years. Could this be it? If so, I am not sure that I will approve as it will have been done with deception. And even Trolls don't deserve that. IMO.
And her doorstepping the McCanns ? How does that fit in with a 'doping' documentary ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on February 02, 2015, 11:53:14 AM
I don't know if she is gunning for them, but just listen to her video in October after the tragedy. That wasn't fake.
You couldn't possibly make a film about all 'trolls' without putting yourself on the side of Carole Malone and the other papers who made Brenda into the Wicker Woman. Those who think Sonia has that in mind are being silly.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on February 02, 2015, 12:46:59 PM
I don't know if she is gunning for them, but just listen to her video in October after the tragedy. That wasn't fake.
You couldn't possibly make a film about all 'trolls' without putting yourself on the side of Carole Malone and the other papers who made Brenda into the Wicker Woman. Those who think Sonia has that in mind are being silly.
You said that she can only see, abduction believer, trolls, so what does that. suggest?
We have no idea, what she has in mind, Lyall. "The untold story" tells us very little. Maybe she is about to dissect all of BL's tweets and try to prove them to be true?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 02, 2015, 12:56:07 PM
You said that she can only see, abduction believer, trolls, so what does that. suggest?
We have no idea, what she has in mind, Lyall. "The untold story" tells us very little. Maybe she is about to dissect all of BL's tweets and try to prove them to be true?
In October the point was that BL had been singled out, apparently at random (though SP's twitter-facebook contacts are of the opinion she was targeted. I haven't seen evidence of that).
BL couldn't possibly have been considered a ringleader (everyone I think agrees on that).
People are forgetting the outrage in October about one person being picked on, but I'm sure SP hasn't.
There's no way she's going to put anything in the film that could make viewers think hang on, maybe Sky News had a point.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on February 02, 2015, 12:57:32 PM
You said that she can only see, abduction believer, trolls, so what does that. suggest?
We have no idea, what she has in mind, Lyall. "The untold story" tells us very little. Maybe she is about to dissect all of BL's tweets and try to prove them to be true?
She'll be mentioning many of the same things Hall did in his videos. And she'll be including stunts like the doorstepping and phoning people (she's already told us some of that).
You can easily fill a film just with that material.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on February 02, 2015, 01:00:29 PM
She wrote that in 2012, pity she hasn't taken note of what she said then.
"There are cases of troll victims committing suicide and the relentless attacks can leave people emotionally drained and with their mental and physical health affected".
"PEOPLE who lead full and productive lives do not become trolls but those who are dissatisfied, and who have mental health issues, often do".
I rather incline to the view that some people are wired up to be spiteful, vindictive and thoroughly unpleasant regardless of life style and education. Trolls I suspect are people with personality disorders; I am sure someone on here with a good knowledge of psychology can put us all right.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carana on February 02, 2015, 01:17:07 PM
I rather incline to the view that some people are wired up to be spiteful, vindictive and thoroughly unpleasant regardless of life style and education. Trolls I suspect are people with personality disorders; I am sure someone on here with a good knowledge of psychology can put us all right.
I found this interesting: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150130-the-man-who-studies-evil
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 02, 2015, 01:25:22 PM
The definition of troll seems to be a bit of a moveable feast depending on the agenda, running the gamut between those who slightly disagree with you to those who threaten to eat your liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti !
8((()*/ The biggest ones are the likes of Hopkins and Malone, and also many supposedly respectable columnists (regulars on Question Time etc.).
The one thing definitely true from the Sun article is "the more outrageous you are, the bigger the reaction".
That's true all across social media, right across the spectrum from professional journalists to those making their first tweet.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on February 02, 2015, 01:26:39 PM
I can't speak for Sonia, but for me it's not all abduction believers (as I said last night).
But discussing individual people's records can only end in ?8)@)-) or 8)><(
(which is kind of the point about BL. She was singled out when not a ringleader).
Actually, I don't think anyone posting here is a Troll. But let's try not to go any further Off Topic. And that means me as well.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 02, 2015, 02:13:06 PM
Anyone who thinks SP is making a video about "Sceptic" trolls and not some sort of revenge vid in Brenda's memory is in for a major disappointment. Poulton clearly deeply dislikes the McCanns and anyone who supports them, and has done for a long time now. She has shown a propensity to believe in conspiracies involving the government, cover-ups, etc and this case plus the death of BL is all grist to her particular mill. She has a large number of like-minded fans following her and heaping praise upon her every utterance which fuels her ego - no way is she going to do the dirty on her fanbase.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on February 02, 2015, 03:46:47 PM
Please stay within the Topic of the thread.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 02, 2015, 05:28:28 PM
Poulton and her boyfriend (an ex-con lotto millionaire who was planning an armed robbery at the time of his win) have been chinwagging on twitter about outing McCann supporters and the boyfriend has tweeted a picture of himself carrying a big gun to one supporter in particular - is this acceptable behaviour for a serious journalist to be involved in I wonder...? Can we imagine Summers and Swann tweeting each other in such a manner...?&%+((£
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on February 02, 2015, 06:30:31 PM
Please don't let the video take this thread Off Topic, or I will have to delete it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 02, 2015, 06:36:41 PM
Anyone who thinks SP is making a video about "Sceptic" trolls and not some sort of revenge vid in Brenda's memory is in for a major disappointment. Poulton clearly deeply dislikes the McCanns and anyone who supports them, and has done for a long time now. She has shown a propensity to believe in conspiracies involving the government, cover-ups, etc and this case plus the death of BL is all grist to her particular mill. She has a large number of like-minded fans following her and heaping praise upon her every utterance which fuels her ego - no way is she going to do the dirty on her fanbase.
I wonder why, Sonia dislikes them so. Is it just a matter of believing all that BL and her chums have said? It's not as if the McCanns, caused her death, is it?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 02, 2015, 09:09:56 PM
I wonder why, Sonia dislikes them so. Is it just a matter of believing all that BL and her chums have said? It's not as if the McCanns, caused her death, is it?
I think it's more likely the newspapers and TV involvement (and Mitchell's), rather than the McCanns themselves. And that goes right back to May 2007. Even during the period the papers eventually paid money out for they still never really analysed the case, and columnists were not free to write what they thought.
It's a long time for contempt to build. And then Brenda dies.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 02, 2015, 09:16:01 PM
She's said many times the media doesn't represent what the public thinks about the case (and Op Grange), so I don't think there's any mystery about what's motivating her.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on February 02, 2015, 09:26:00 PM
I think it's more likely the newspapers and TV involvement (and Mitchell's), rather than the McCanns themselves. And that goes right back to May 2007. Even during the period the papers eventually paid money out for they still never really analysed the case, and columnists were not free to write what they thought.
It's a long time for contempt to build. And then Brenda dies.
Thanks, Lyall,
It is anything connected to the Madeleine Case, that is on the side of the parents, that seems to upset, Sonia then and not specifically the McCann family.
It should be a worth waiting for, if she can incorporate all her dislikeable persons, in it and tell the "Untold story".
I do hope that nobody gets hurt in the process of making this film, though.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 02, 2015, 09:35:59 PM
It is anything connected to the Madeleine Case, that is on the side of the parents, that seems to upset, Sonia then and not specifically the McCann family.
It should be a worth waiting for, if she can incorporate all her dislikeable persons, in it and tell the "Untold story".
I do hope that nobody gets hurt in the process of making this film, though.
8((()*/ Me too. One is enough.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 02, 2015, 09:41:32 PM
SP says she has tried to publish articles in the past but couldn't get them printed, so maybe whatever was in those will be part of her script.
There's no doubt there's a ton of things that could be said, but her opponents are going to say that papers mentioning what's being said about Op Grange and the case is mob rule and they can't say a thing while there's an active investigation.
Not that they would anyway. But it's a good excuse.
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Post by: Anna on February 02, 2015, 09:56:28 PM
SP says she has tried to publish articles in the past but couldn't get them printed, so maybe whatever was in those will be part of her script.
There's no doubt there's a ton of things that could be said, but her opponents are going to say that papers mentioning what's being said about Op Grange and the case is mob rule and they can't say a thing while there's an active investigation.
Not that they would anyway. But it's a good excuse.
While there is an active investigation going on, Sonia won't be getting many answers from anyone. Well, I wouldn't have thought it was possible with the Secrecy etc.
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Post by: Miss Taken Identity on February 03, 2015, 07:14:48 PM
I think it's more likely the newspapers and TV involvement (and Mitchell's), rather than the McCanns themselves. And that goes right back to May 2007. Even during the period the papers eventually paid money out for they still never really analysed the case, and columnists were not free to write what they thought.
It's a long time for contempt to build. And then Brenda dies.
I agree with this wholeheartedly.
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Post by: Anna on February 03, 2015, 08:00:39 PM
Can we please get back on the topic of the thread....Off topic will be deleted
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on February 03, 2015, 08:04:33 PM
I didn't know that she was on SKY today. Did you see it?
I've just watched it on the Sky app Anna although I don't know if it was the full interview. She Basically said that she had been harassed sand physically threatened and that although the abuse had started on Twitter it soon spread to both her email account and her mobile phone.
Sky does seem to be using Sonia a lot lately in connection to issues surrounding Twitter abuse. I wonder if they're showing an interest in her upcoming documentary too ?
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Post by: Anna on February 06, 2015, 12:08:49 AM
I've just watched it on the Sky app although I don't know if it was the full interview. She's basically saying she had been harassed sand physically threatened and that although the abuse had started on Twitter it soon spread to both her email account and her mobile phone.
Sky does seem to be using Sonia a lot lately in connection to issues surrounding Twitter abuse. I wonder if they're showing an interest in her upcoming documentary too ?
Thank you Faith, So the same of the same then. Yes it does seem that Sky are using her a bit. We'll see soon, no doubt.
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Post by: Brietta on February 06, 2015, 12:09:51 AM
I didn't know that she was on SKY today. Did you see it?
Just getting it second hand ... I think she was on Sky News discussing Twitter Trolls ... wonder why her name came to mind for Sky?
I'm not all that sure that I haven't been hitting the nail on the head in thinking her documentary may actually contain material which will be a bit of a surprise for her audience ... maybe even shock as far as those who have willingly collaborated in her "research" are concerned.
This is one lady who will not spurn the Murdoch shilling.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on February 06, 2015, 12:14:33 AM
Just getting it second hand ... I think she was on Sky News discussing Twitter Trolls ... wonder why her name came to mind for Sky?
I'm not all that sure that I haven't been hitting the nail on the head in thinking her documentary may actually contain material which will be a bit of a surprise for her audience ... maybe even shock as far as those who have willingly collaborated in her "research" are concerned.
This is one lady who will not spurn the Murdoch shilling.
We could all be in for a big surprise then.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 06, 2015, 12:22:05 AM
Just getting it second hand ... I think she was on Sky News discussing Twitter Trolls ... wonder why her name came to mind for Sky?
I'm not all that sure that I haven't been hitting the nail on the head in thinking her documentary may actually contain material which will be a bit of a surprise for her audience ... maybe even shock as far as those who have willingly collaborated in her "research" are concerned.
This is one lady who will not spurn the Murdoch shilling.
If they want to do more features on 'trolls' of any persuasion (which they will sooner or later) they really don't need to make Sonia an offer she can't refuse anyway.
All the text is in the public domain. Why would they need her?
They're not in the business of doing serious, accurate reporting. Sensationalism is what they want, and preferably sensation that only requires minimum research (like them selecting BL).
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Post by: Brietta on February 06, 2015, 12:41:04 AM
If they want to do more features on 'trolls' of any persuasion (which they will sooner or later) they really don't need to make Sonia an offer she can't refuse anyway.
All the text is in the public domain. Why would they need her?
They're not in the business of doing serious, accurate reporting. Sensationalism is what they want, and preferably sensation that only requires minimum research (like them selecting BL).
LOL ... you think she doesn't have "exclusive" freely offered footage in her repertoire ... and she had no compunction in seeking out a 'volunteer' to be thrown to a Sun journalist with great effect.
She has been accused of being commissioned to do this documentary ... if so, whoever commissioned her may well be putting a programme together even as we speak.
She is after all seeking the cachet of 'investigative' journalist ... and although a huge critic of Sky in the aftermath of Brenda Leyland's death and publicising her 'avenging' documentary ... she does appear to be rather a darling of Sky at the moment.
IMO she is a prime example of an opportunist ... and this is an opportunity.
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Post by: Lyall on February 06, 2015, 12:51:32 AM
LOL ... you think she doesn't have "exclusive" freely offered footage in her repertoire ... and she had no compunction in seeking out a 'volunteer' to be thrown to a Sun journalist with great effect.
She has been accused of being commissioned to do this documentary ... if so, whoever commissioned her may well be putting a programme together even as we speak.
She is after all seeking the cachet of 'investigative' journalist ... and although a huge critic of Sky in the aftermath of Brenda Leyland's death and publicising her 'avenging' documentary ... she does appear to be rather a darling of Sky at the moment.
IMO she is a prime example of an opportunist ... and this is an opportunity.
I can't deny it's an opportunity, but there are far better out there if someone with a pot of cash wanted to make that kind of film. Why would they ask her? She's about as undercover as Ross Kemp visiting a war zone in a clown's outfit.
I can't deny it would be a brilliant plan though, but highly unlikely.
I don't know what the point of the Sun interview was, but imo it was more a Homer Simpson moment than part of any grand strategy.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on February 06, 2015, 01:09:39 AM
She has made it clear that her film will at least in part be about 'trolls', but those it's perceived were targetting BL.
But after the Sun article she may well now be wondering how on earth you can discuss one set of 'trolls' without mentioning others.
She probably does want to make a film that will appear competent and credible to mainstream media, even if it's not going to be shown on it.
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Post by: Lyall on February 06, 2015, 01:51:22 AM
Don't forget Brietta if the inquest hadn't been adjourned the film would probably have been finished and shown already. As it is it will be six months or so after the first announcement before it's seen. Online peeps being what they are that's more than enough time for many of them to imagine or invent intrigue and fall out with each other (especially in discussion of this case), but the delay is because of the adjournment not deliberate.
Without the adjournment there wouldn't be so much speculation about what SP's up to.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 06, 2015, 07:16:18 AM
Does anyone think Sky would commission a video that would be critical of Blunt
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 06, 2015, 08:15:34 AM
I've just watched it on the Sky app Anna although I don't know if it was the full interview. She Basically said that she had been harassed sand physically threatened and that although the abuse had started on Twitter it soon spread to both her email account and her mobile phone.
Sky does seem to be using Sonia a lot lately in connection to issues surrounding Twitter abuse. I wonder if they're showing an interest in her upcoming documentary too ?
I tell you what has happened.
My hotmail account was mysteriously hacked, then given back to me with all my emails intacked.
If any emails have been sent in my name from that account to Sonia Poulton, they weren't sent by me ...
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Post by: lordpookles on February 06, 2015, 08:54:46 AM
Last couple of years my hotmail account has been hacked 3 or 4 times so I wouldn't be too concerned :)
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Post by: faithlilly on February 06, 2015, 10:10:11 AM
LOL ... you think she doesn't have "exclusive" freely offered footage in her repertoire ... and she had no compunction in seeking out a 'volunteer' to be thrown to a Sun journalist with great effect.
She has been accused of being commissioned to do this documentary ... if so, whoever commissioned her may well be putting a programme together even as we speak.
She is after all seeking the cachet of 'investigative' journalist ... and although a huge critic of Sky in the aftermath of Brenda Leyland's death and publicising her 'avenging' documentary ... she does appear to be rather a darling of Sky at the moment.
IMO she is a prime example of an opportunist ... and this is an opportunity.
Rather like Kate whinging about the News of the World publishing her diary then, in your words, taking the Murdoch shilling for the rights to serialise her book.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 06, 2015, 10:14:07 AM
The Police tell me that mine has been hacked too. All sorts of messing around with my emails + other things.
You mean you don't know?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: pathfinder73 on May 08, 2015, 08:31:21 PM
Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton 18 hrs18 hours ago I presented questions from public to #ClarenceMitchell tonight during #BrightonPavilion election. #mccann
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEclG5DXIAAqljb.jpg)
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Post by: Mr Gray on May 08, 2015, 10:10:45 PM
Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton 18 hrs18 hours ago I presented questions from public to #ClarenceMitchell tonight during #BrightonPavilion election. #mccann
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEclG5DXIAAqljb.jpg)
no one of any importance will speak to Sonia...she knows that so she will claim some conspiracy theory
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Post by: Alice Purjorick on May 08, 2015, 10:14:55 PM
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: misty on June 08, 2015, 05:16:55 PM
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1smj42h
In answer to the question: When can I see your Madeleine #McCann documentary? I write this with some trepidation, knowing full well it will be examined to within an inch of life. And not always by friendly and welcoming eyes.
Myself and a production crew have been filming this documentary for over seven months. Initially we planned to do the whole thing, start to finish, in a couple of months.
Events changed that.
The story developed. Brenda Leyland's inquest was delayed until March 2015, we waited for the Gonçalo Amaral Lisbon result, I waited for various responses and FOIs (delayed, again) to come in.
Just to make this clear. This documentary is not a YouTube video. It has been made to specific broadcasting standards and the process involved is considerably more time-consuming and costly than that involved in a YouTube which (as I know well) is essentially a record-edit-upload process.
If only it were that straightforward.
But then this is a media story that needs to go beyond online and into the mainstream media. That's what online campaigners tell me all the time - and they are right.
I have worked in msm for decades and I also make You Tubes, I love doing it all, but the former requires such stringent disciplines and standards to be met, legally, technically and visually, that I knew I needed a production company to back me making this film.
For the reality is - and anyone who knows this case will also know there are media and legal issues attached - I am loathe to give away too much information because I am aware of how problematic that could be for us.
From the outset I knew I would struggle to get a broadcaster to fund it the way I realised, over a number of years, that the story needed to be told.
I had already been warned off by a msm producer of my acquaintance. Other colleagues (and journalist friends) have expressed similar concerns about my curiosity of the case over the years.
In order to make this documentary I needed to be able to take a package to a broadcaster. It could not be footage, to be chopped and edited according to someone else's idea of how it should be portrayed, but a complete, honest and whole film package that I would not allow to be tampered with.
If you know how msm works (and I mean REALLY know) you will know this requirement of mine is me coming with A VERY TALL ORDER, indeed. But then you will also know that that is what this story requires.
The disappearance of Madeleine McCann - and the multiple issues attached to that - is a story that very much needs updating in the way the public perceive it.
I was inspired, as a journalist and broadcaster, to pursue this by the shocking (and I'm still shocked) death of Brenda Leyland. I address this tragedy fully in the film and over the course of months as I, and a small camera crew, attended her inquests.
People will be left in no doubt about my position on Brenda Leyland - and about the events that led to her death, and those events subsequent to her death.
Let me say this at this point:
Yes, I am a professional journalist - despite detractors trying every trick to undermine my hard won and decent reputation in my industry - but I am also passionate as well as professional.
Those who oppose this documentary, and there are a few, have tried to use that against me. They have failed. I am proud to be emotionally engaged with my work, I do not want to be one of those 'professionals' who are so 'professional' that they can do a job like, say, watch child abuse images without so much as a flicker of emotion.
I don't want to be the type of person who is able to emotionally detach from the wickedness of the world in the course of their 'job'. We should never acclimatise to what is wrong, that's how I see my work. I view passion as a help not a hindrance, a strength not a weakness.
Anyone who knows me will know this and in this film I make that point very clearly.
I do this by going to the people at the heart of this story (while being clear not to interfere in any way with the ongoing police investigation) and by asking questions of public interest. (Many millions of pounds of public interest, in fact, and that's just the financial cost of this case to the public).
In this documentary, I tackle the anomalies that exist. All the stuff that is in the public domain - only you wouldn't know it judging by the lack of real investigation media organisations have conducted around this case. On that point, at least, I agree with Clarence Mitchell - the McCann's spokesman who appears in the documentary.
So, forgive me for going the long way around answering the question: when will your documentary be aired?
The short answer is I can't yet tell you. At the moment. That's me being as transparent as I can without giving ammunition to the enemies of this project.
The film is, and has been for weeks, in post-production. We have started broadcast meetings about it. Several broadcast executives have expressed a keen interest in getting involved. Myself, and a small trusted team, are (through necessity) playing our cards close to our collective chests.
Those who want justice for Madeleine McCann will understand and appreciate that. Those with other agendas, will not. Either way, we get to know who's who.
This documentary has taught me so much and not least that the enemies of it are not always immediately identifiable. I have learnt that there are detractors who claim to be on the side of justice for Madeleine McCann - in terms of finding out what happened and where she might be - but are, in actuality, the opposite.
Some of these have already become the most vocal and scathing opponents of a film - this film - that has yet to be aired. Odd behaviour. Or maybe not.
Finally, I would like to say a big thank you to every single person who has informed me on the intricacies of this story - and also made me aware of the many dubious and opportunistic characters who surround it.
This experience has been an education - a harrowing and sad one, at times - and one I believe I have conveyed in our film for the public, at large, who are not clued-up like many of those online.
Thank you for your patience. As soon as I have broadcast details, I will let you know.
Oh, and one more thing, we will shortly release a two-minute trailer to social media to give people a flavour of what to expect. Again, I have to wait for the go-ahead but as soon as I can, I will.
Have a lovely week. Sonia X
Sonia Poulton June 8, 2015
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 08, 2015, 05:27:54 PM
That's one documentary we'll never have to watch then.
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Post by: Carana on June 08, 2015, 05:53:18 PM
That's one documentary we'll never have to watch then.
In order to make this documentary I needed to be able to take a package to a broadcaster. It could not be footage, to be chopped and edited according to someone else's idea of how it should be portrayed, but a complete, honest and whole film package that I would not allow to be tampered with.
If you know how msm works (and I mean REALLY know) you will know this requirement of mine is me coming with A VERY TALL ORDER, indeed. But then you will also know that that is what this story requires.
I wonder what she means by MSM in this context. And does she have any particular continent in mind?
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 08, 2015, 06:01:08 PM
In order to make this documentary I needed to be able to take a package to a broadcaster. It could not be footage, to be chopped and edited according to someone else's idea of how it should be portrayed, but a complete, honest and whole film package that I would not allow to be tampered with.
If you know how msm works (and I mean REALLY know) you will know this requirement of mine is me coming with A VERY TALL ORDER, indeed. But then you will also know that that is what this story requires.
I wonder what she means by MSM in this context. And does she have any particular continent in mind?
Who knows, and frankly who cares. Anyone with half a brain cell always knew this documentary was never going to see the light of day, this latest hand-wringing excuse just confirms it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Brietta on June 08, 2015, 06:24:50 PM
Who knows, and frankly who cares. Anyone with half a brain cell always knew this documentary was never going to see the light of day, this latest hand-wringing excuse just confirms it.
If she has made it ... and it meets with her satisfaction ... why not release it for the edification of her fan base ( if she has one) on YouTube?
If I can remember that far back ... I think it may have been initiated to get "Justice for Brenda" ... perhaps the Coroner's verdict may be an impediment to her aim or maybe the harassment of a member of the public who was in attendance did not come over well and had to end up on the cutting room floor.
Wasn't it going to include a piece on the trial judgement? Has that had to be cut too because it didn't work out quite to script?
Maybe doors slamming in her face became too repetitive.
Oh well ... probably consigned to the same dustbin as the Icke expose ... what a disappointment, I was so looking forward, what a shame!
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 08, 2015, 06:32:02 PM
If she has made it ... and it meets with her satisfaction ... why not release it for the edification of her fan base ( if she has one) on YouTube?
If I can remember that far back ... I think it may have been initiated to get "Justice for Brenda" ... perhaps the Coroner's verdict may be an impediment to her aim or maybe the harassment of a member of the public who was in attendance did not come over well and had to end up on the cutting room floor.
Wasn't it going to include a piece on the trial judgement? Has that had to be cut too because it didn't work out quite to script?
Maybe doors slamming in her face became too repetitive.
Oh well ... probably consigned to the same dustbin as the Icke expose ... what a disappointment, I was so looking forward, what a shame!
I think Sonia knows that releasing her video on youtube gives her magnum opus all the gravitas of the Drama Llama video (but with slightly less credibility) hence why she has set her sights on getting it aired on the MSM, or pretended to anyway.
FYI the Drama Llama video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKBnAV1bpRE
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on June 08, 2015, 07:39:48 PM
I presented questions from public to #ClarenceMitchell tonight during #BrightonPavilion election. #mccann
What Sonia fails to tell us is that he didn't answer her
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on June 08, 2015, 07:49:48 PM
"Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton 43 minutes ago - I'm getting some serious support. Since I released that video I have been contacted by number of MSM people."
I await the howls of derision.
Howls of derision
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Post by: Eleanor on June 08, 2015, 08:58:41 PM
Well, that's it then. Poor Brenda, and I would go along with that.
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Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2015, 08:19:35 PM
.
sonia poulton is starting to sound like blacksmith with tits. no surprises there then.
saw this elsewhere and it made me smile.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on June 10, 2015, 08:59:53 PM
You must be seriously bored mate. Go read a book %£&)**#
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Post by: Brietta on June 10, 2015, 09:55:47 PM
You must be seriously bored mate. Go read a book %£&)**#
Not as bored as we are likely to be if her documentary ever appears ... I understand she is working on a two minute 'taster' to tempt one of the big boys on board ... oh the trials and tribulations these media folks go through!
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Post by: Lyall on June 10, 2015, 10:03:07 PM
Not as bored as we are likely to be if her documentary ever appears ... I understand she is working on a two minute 'taster' to tempt one of the big boys on board ... oh the trials and tribulations these media folks go through!
Since Channel 5 have shown two films about the case in the past twelve months it's perhaps not impossible they might be interested in another (though it would be very watered down obviously).
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Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 10, 2015, 10:12:08 PM
Not as bored as we are likely to be if her documentary ever appears ... I understand she is working on a two minute 'taster' to tempt one of the big boys on board ... oh the trials and tribulations these media folks go through!
To quote the late Robert Mitchum on press stories: "They're all true - booze, brawls, broads, all true. Make up some more if you want to". That was probably sometime in the 1950s. So Sonia Poulton treads a well worn path. The surprising thing is some folk think that it is surprising for a hack. Anything for a buck.
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Post by: Mr Gray on July 10, 2015, 12:41:57 PM
Don't you just love it how the faithful spend pages and pages on their forums telling us how unimportant Sonia Poulton and her forthcoming documentary is. @)(++(*
any news on the long awaited documentary
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Post by: Eleanor on July 10, 2015, 12:44:56 PM
I think viewing won't be possible would be more accurate...
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Post by: mercury on July 11, 2015, 12:26:00 AM
I would be very interested to see any documentary by this journalist. Not sure why people are complaining scoffing and prejudging. This should be left for after. I have seen her briefly on a couple of shows and she seems lucid, well spoken, intellgent, logical and interesting. But, of course, I imagine, she has "questions" - a total anathema for so many of course. Silly me.
Bizarre.
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Post by: carlymichelle on July 11, 2015, 12:37:56 AM
I would be very interested to see any documentary by this journalist. Not sure why people are complaining scoffing and prejudging. This should be left for after. I have seen her briefly on a couple of shows and she seems lucid, well spoken, intellgent, logical and interesting. But, of course, I imagine, she has "questions" - a total anathema for so many of course. Silly me.
Bizarre.
its very cultlike isnt it.....
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Post by: mercury on July 11, 2015, 12:49:09 AM
There are cultish elements in many supporters' not sure what to call it, "position"? Nothing said can make them think outside the box. IE There is always an "innocent explanation" for everything. Hang on, Ive heard that somewhere before, I do believe it was from their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell. Now, for starters, he wasn't there, so how he can with all honesty state that, without telling us why, is a bit of a mystery.
I know for a fact that many people who doubt the Mccanns, rightly or wrongly, are a bit more open minded.
And of course there are in betweeners.
The combination of the Mccanns actions in so many respects and the shelving of the case and despite the reopened enquiry has lead us where we are today, which, frankly,is no further than 2007
Also it didn't help the Mccanns when they wouldn't answer interview questions straightforwardly over the years, which as an innocent couple they had no reason not to, their desire to control everything from the very start went against them
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Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2015, 10:52:24 AM
I would be very interested to see any documentary by this journalist. Not sure why people are complaining scoffing and prejudging. This should be left for after. I have seen her briefly on a couple of shows and she seems lucid, well spoken, intellgent, logical and interesting. But, of course, I imagine, she has "questions" - a total anathema for so many of course. Silly me.
Bizarre.
I'm scoffing because I doubted her credibility when she first announced the video and now it looks as though it will never be made...so I was right again
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2015, 11:08:14 AM
Its just another of these things that doesn't really matter at all, but seem to excite some people. If the documentary appears, it appears. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I'm sure we can all wait and see.
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Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2015, 11:12:02 AM
Damning new Madeleine documentary promised for 2015
A damning new “evidence-based” documentary is being prepared for screening in 2015 and promises to tell the “Untold Story of Madeleine McCann” - alleging that “no abduction took place at all”.
what is interesting is the way the gullible on here believed that this documentary would happen
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Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2015, 12:05:38 PM
There are cultish elements in many supporters' not sure what to call it, "position"? Nothing said can make them think outside the box. IE There is always an "innocent explanation" for everything. Hang on, Ive heard that somewhere before, I do believe it was from their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell. Now, for starters, he wasn't there, so how he can with all honesty state that, without telling us why, is a bit of a mystery.
I know for a fact that many people who doubt the Mccanns, rightly or wrongly, are a bit more open minded.
And of course there are in betweeners.
The combination of the Mccanns actions in so many respects and the shelving of the case and despite the reopened enquiry has lead us where we are today, which, frankly,is no further than 2007
Also it didn't help the Mccanns when they wouldn't answer interview questions straightforwardly over the years, which as an innocent couple they had no reason not to, their desire to control everything from the very start went against them
Good post! Clarence Mitchell said (20th Sept 2007 to Sky);
"It appears to us that they were looking at one particular set of circumstances and, as I’ve said a number of times already, any evidence they may or may not have found which gave them cause for suspicion of Gerry and Kate can be wholly and easily explained should it come to that. Please bear in mind Gerry and Kate have not been accused of anything." http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39078192/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2041
He's saying that any evidence leading to suspicions of the McCanns can be wholly and easily explained. No explanations have ever been offered however.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carana on July 11, 2015, 01:25:56 PM
Any news on a) what this is about and b) when it's going to be broadcast and c) on which station?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on July 11, 2015, 01:51:08 PM
Good post! Clarence Mitchell said (20th Sept 2007 to Sky);
"It appears to us that they were looking at one particular set of circumstances and, as I’ve said a number of times already, any evidence they may or may not have found which gave them cause for suspicion of Gerry and Kate can be wholly and easily explained should it come to that. Please bear in mind Gerry and Kate have not been accused of anything." http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39078192/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2041
He's saying that any evidence leading to suspicions of the McCanns can be wholly and easily explained. No explanations have ever been offered however.
I think he was referring to the people who matter - such as SY for instance - and not to a small group of people on the internet who seem to think they have a right to be informed of every move the McCanns make and are somehow entitled to be given 'explanations'.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Carana on July 11, 2015, 02:02:52 PM
Why on earth does any member of the public feel entitled to every detail of an ongoing criminal investigation case?
Do you agree that intelligence of potential terrorist attacks should be made accessible for all to comment upon? If so, would you feel the same if a potential threat against your loved ones in a holiday resort was carried out because online speculation involved a "now or never" situation?
If not, why not. If so, why.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on July 11, 2015, 02:24:05 PM
There are cultish elements in many supporters' not sure what to call it, "position"? Nothing said can make them think outside the box. IE There is always an "innocent explanation" for everything. Hang on, Ive heard that somewhere before, I do believe it was from their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell. Now, for starters, he wasn't there, so how he can with all honesty state that, without telling us why, is a bit of a mystery.
I know for a fact that many people who doubt the Mccanns, rightly or wrongly, are a bit more open minded.
And of course there are in betweeners.
The combination of the Mccanns actions in so many respects and the shelving of the case and despite the reopened enquiry has lead us where we are today, which, frankly,is no further than 2007
Also it didn't help the Mccanns when they wouldn't answer interview questions straightforwardly over the years, which as an innocent couple they had no reason not to, their desire to control everything from the very start went against them
Hang on, Ive heard that somewhere before, I do believe it was from their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell. Now, for starters, he wasn't there, so how he can with all honesty state that, without telling us why, is a bit of a mystery.
Those who insist theMcCannsdunit weren't there, either.
Yet they seem supremely confident of their certainty to insist what they do.
Most odd ...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2015, 05:47:11 PM
Hang on, Ive heard that somewhere before, I do believe it was from their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell. Now, for starters, he wasn't there, so how he can with all honesty state that, without telling us why, is a bit of a mystery.
Those who insist theMcCannsdunit weren't there, either.
Yet they seem supremely confident of their certainty to insist what they do.
Most odd ...
Neither were you, but you insist you know what happened.
Most odd....
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2015, 05:52:04 PM
I don’t think that this argument is going anywhere. Some people, firmly believe that Madeleine was abducted and others firmly believe that she was not……without evidence in either case. Then there are others with theories of what may have happened. Opinions is all that can be given, since there is no evidence on which to draw a conclusion. None of us know what happened to the child.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on July 11, 2015, 06:36:13 PM
I don’t think that this argument is going anywhere. Some people, firmly believe that Madeleine was abducted and others firmly believe that she was not……without evidence in either case. Then there are others with theories of what may have happened. Opinions is all that can be given, since there is no evidence on which to draw a conclusion. None of us know what happened to the child.
There is evidence in support of abduction.
The implausibility of Madeleine carefully closing the gate and the doors behind her if she left voluntarily.
Madeleine's out-door shoes found in the villa
The evidence of the Smiths and the evidence of Jane Tanner (carrying a child at the right time).
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Anna on July 11, 2015, 06:43:26 PM
The implausibility of Madeleine carefully closing the gate and the doors behind her if she left voluntarily.
Madeleine's out-door shoes found in the villa
The evidence of the Smiths and the evidence of Jane Tanner (carrying a child at the right time).
Thank you FM, I see where you are coming from, but is there any hard evidence that a stranger removed her from 5A?. The child seen being carried could have been any child, since no abductor has yet been identified.
IMO abduction seems the most likely explanation for the child's disappearance, but that is only my opinion and I have no hard evidence with which to back it up.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on July 11, 2015, 06:58:53 PM
I don’t think that this argument is going anywhere. Some people, firmly believe that Madeleine was abducted and others firmly believe that she was not……without evidence in either case. Then there are others with theories of what may have happened. Opinions is all that can be given, since there is no evidence on which to draw a conclusion. None of us know what happened to the child.
We can agree on that.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on July 11, 2015, 07:12:46 PM
Thank you FM, I see where you are coming from, but is there any hard evidence that a stranger removed her from 5A?. The child seen being carried could have been any child, since no abductor has yet been identified.
IMO abduction seems the most likely explanation for the child's disappearance, but that is only my opinion and I have no hard evidence with which to back it up.
For me the circumstantial evidence is sufficiently plausible to be compelling ...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2015, 07:15:25 PM
Don't you just love it how the faithful spend pages and pages on their forums telling us how unimportant Sonia Poulton and her forthcoming documentary is. @)(++(*
looks like we were right
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Angelo222 on August 03, 2015, 09:00:09 AM
Appears the 'untold story' will be untold for a while longer.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on August 03, 2015, 11:05:15 AM
Such a shame. I have been so looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lyall on August 03, 2015, 12:48:40 PM
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on August 03, 2015, 03:34:57 PM
Poulton just needs someone with sufficiently deep pockets to pay the libel bill and sufficient animosity towards the McCanns not to care and she'll be laughing ....
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Jean-Pierre on August 03, 2015, 05:18:26 PM
Poulton just needs someone with sufficiently deep pockets to pay the libel bill and sufficient animosity towards the McCanns not to care and she'll be laughing ....
On the nail.....
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on August 03, 2015, 05:23:37 PM
Poulton just needs someone with sufficiently deep pockets to pay the libel bill and sufficient animosity towards the McCanns not to care and she'll be laughing ....
At least of the McCann "sceptics" is a millionaire so I've heard - what are they waiting for?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on August 03, 2015, 05:47:51 PM
At least of the McCann "sceptics" is a millionaire so I've heard - what are they waiting for?
As the McCanns have not as yet been charged with anything anyone bankrolling Poulton would be foolhardy in the extreme especially knowing how litigious the couple are.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: jassi on August 03, 2015, 05:53:50 PM
As the McCanns have not as yet been charged with anything anyone bankrolling Poulton would be foolhardy in the extreme especially knowing how litigious the couple are.
Yes, unless the 'bankroller' was resident in some country where litigation would be difficult, if not impossible.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 03, 2015, 06:00:54 PM
As the McCanns have not as yet been charged with anything anyone bankrolling Poulton would be foolhardy in the extreme especially knowing how litigious the couple are.
I love your optimistic "yet" @)(++(* The McCanns are NEVER going to be charged for anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance Faithlilly, I can promise you that.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Eleanor on August 03, 2015, 06:05:08 PM
Litigious? I don't think so.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 03, 2015, 06:05:24 PM
Yes, unless the 'bankroller' was resident in some country where litigation would be difficult, if not impossible.
America is one such country. Why hasn't Sonia made good on her promise to have the "documentary" screened over there? Rhetorical question, no answer required... 8(0(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on August 03, 2015, 06:10:18 PM
As the McCanns have not as yet been charged with anything anyone bankrolling Poulton would be foolhardy in the extreme especially knowing how litigious the couple are.
Some of us realised this from day one when poulton was making all her claims...the mccanns are no more litigious than anyone else...no one likes being libelled and the mccanns have the connections to bring those who do to justice ...would you accept someone spouting evil lies about you...you would be a fool if you did
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 03, 2015, 06:18:03 PM
Some of us realised this from day one when poulton was making all her claims...the mccanns are no more litigious than anyone else...no one likes being libelled and the mccanns have the connections to bring those who do to justice ...would you accept someone spouting evil lies about you...you would be a fool if you did
What an interesting idea.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on August 03, 2015, 06:33:04 PM
That's why she isn't making the documentary...she totally miscalculated everything...the Leyland inquest... amaral's trial result...she has nothing to say...as I said at the time , there is no untold story....she promised and you and others fell for it
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 03, 2015, 06:33:25 PM
Ah so you don't really mean connections so much as hiring an appropriate company when the need arises. No different from the rest of us then.
very different from the rest of us...Carter Ruck are happy to represent them pro bono as the libel they are subject to has no defence and is very easy money for the company...and very good PR...if CR weren't doing it firms would be lining up to represent them
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 03, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
very different from the rest of us...Carter Ruck are happy to represent them pro bono as the libel they are subject to has no defence and is very easy money for the company...and very good PR...if CR weren't doing it firms would be lining up to represent them
Really? So your argument is that Carter Ruck represent the McCanns for nothing because it is good PR and all other firms would follow suit ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on August 03, 2015, 08:13:21 PM
Really? So your argument is that Carter Ruck represent the McCanns for nothing because it is good PR and all other firms would follow suit ?
read the whole post and you will see I said it's easy money...another example of poor representation of someone else's statement...legal firms are advertising for no win no fee cases...they like easy money
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 03, 2015, 10:56:14 PM
read the whole post and you will see I said it's easy money...another example of poor representation of someone else's statement...legal firms are advertising for no win no fee cases...they like easy money
Things changed a little in January 2014.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on August 04, 2015, 07:59:29 AM
Well it does seem Poulton's documentary is on the way.
http://www.theuntoldstoryofmadeleinemccann.com/
on its way where...it was promised 6 months ago. Poulton is a liar.....sympathisers do not question why kate didn't answer the 48 questions...they fully understand
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 04, 2015, 10:04:17 AM
on its way where...it was promised 6 months ago. Poulton is a liar.....sympathisers do not question why kate didn't answer the 48 questions...they fully understand
The 'sympathisers'.
Nice. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 04, 2015, 10:19:36 AM
Well it does seem Poulton's documentary is on the way.
http://www.theuntoldstoryofmadeleinemccann.com/
OMG!!! Proof that Putrid Poulton actually did doorstep Kate!! I see the cameraman was too cowardly to accompany her all the way up to the doorstep though.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 04, 2015, 10:22:28 AM
OMG!!! Proof that Putrid Poulton actually did doorstep Kate!! I see the cameraman was too cowardly to accompany her all the way up to the doorstep though.
So why shouldn't kate mccann answer questions ?
She has made a habit of that.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 04, 2015, 10:31:33 AM
OMG!!! Proof that Putrid Poulton actually did doorstep Kate!! I see the cameraman was too cowardly to accompany her all the way up to the doorstep though.
didnt martin brunt do the same thing to brenda??? why is kate mcann off limits?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on October 04, 2015, 11:01:11 AM
Who can have an objection to a journalist accepting an invitation to visit?
sonias a journalist so she has equal right to ask kate qestions
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on October 04, 2015, 11:46:01 AM
so poulton is going to bring us the untold story........why did kate not answer the 48 questions...is that part of the untold story...some people are so gullible
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on October 04, 2015, 11:47:08 AM
so poulton is going to bring us the untold story........why did kate not answer the 48 questions...is that part of the untold story...some people are so gullible
Are you gullible in believing the mccanns story, when nothing has been found to show that an abduction took place.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 04, 2015, 12:05:28 PM
I can...Kate is a victim of crime.....Leyland wasn't
Due to the absence of evidence no-one knows what crime was committed on 3rd May 2007. Until evidence is found, the only identifiable victim is Madeleine Mccann.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: carlymichelle on October 04, 2015, 12:09:19 PM
sonias a journalist so she has equal right to ask kate qestions
SP has produced some (genuinely good) journalistic pieces that I've read but her doorstepping of Kate was beyond the pale and far out of bounds for anyone who aspires to true journalist-status.
Meanwhile, here is an extract from the inquest into Brenda Leyland's suicide:
Later in the day, Mr Brunt said Ms Leyland invited him into her home, where they spoke but she refused to be filmed.
Mr Brunt said: "She acknowledged that she was @Sweepyface and said she probably wouldn't Tweet again."
Mr Brunt told Ms Leyland that he would keep Ms Leyland informed as to when the footage of her outside her home would be broadcast.
The following day, on October 1, Mr Brunt said Ms Leyland told him on the phone that she had "thought about ending it all".
"I said I'd call her and I did," said Mr Brunt.
"When I asked her whether she was OK, she said she's thought about ending it all but had then had a drink and spoken to her son in Los Angeles and she was feeling better."
Mr Brunt told the inquest that he believed her comments about "ending it" to be a "throwaway remark".
He said he was "devastated" upon hearing the news that Ms Leyland had died.
Read more: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Brenda-Leyland-inquest-McCann-Twitter-troll/story-26206590-detail/story.html#ixzz3nb1Hc75Q Follow us: @Leicester_Merc on Twitter | leicestermercury on Facebook
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: lordpookles on October 04, 2015, 12:15:17 PM
^ but she only invited him into her home after she was door stepped right?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on October 04, 2015, 12:17:27 PM
SP has produced some (genuinely good) journalistic pieces that I've read but her doorstepping of Kate was beyond the pale and far out of bounds for anyone who aspires to true journalist-status.
Meanwhile, here is an extract from the inquest into Brenda Leyland's suicide:
Later in the day, Mr Brunt said Ms Leyland invited him into her home, where they spoke but she refused to be filmed.
Mr Brunt said: "She acknowledged that she was @Sweepyface and said she probably wouldn't Tweet again."
Mr Brunt told Ms Leyland that he would keep Ms Leyland informed as to when the footage of her outside her home would be broadcast.
The following day, on October 1, Mr Brunt said Ms Leyland told him on the phone that she had "thought about ending it all".
"I said I'd call her and I did," said Mr Brunt.
"When I asked her whether she was OK, she said she's thought about ending it all but had then had a drink and spoken to her son in Los Angeles and she was feeling better."
Mr Brunt told the inquest that he believed her comments about "ending it" to be a "throwaway remark".
He said he was "devastated" upon hearing the news that Ms Leyland had died.
Read more: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Brenda-Leyland-inquest-McCann-Twitter-troll/story-26206590-detail/story.html#ixzz3nb1Hc75Q Follow us: @Leicester_Merc on Twitter | leicestermercury on Facebook
If BL had invited Brunt into her home BEFORE she was doorstepped by him you may have a point ferryman.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on October 04, 2015, 12:27:18 PM
poulton has stated this today... People, no matter how sympathetic, struggle to understand why Kate McCann did not comply with the Portuguese Police questions.
we know that is an absolute lie ...most of us understand exactly why kate didn't answer the 48 questions...
so we know poultons video...if it is ever released will not be truthful
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lace on October 04, 2015, 12:36:40 PM
What did this woman hope to achieve by confronting Kate McCann and asking her why she didn't answer the 48 questions? The investigation into Madeleine's disappearance is on going, and she is poking about confronting the mother of the child.
I also think it is disgusting that she has used the death of BL in her documentary, did she ask the family if she could include it?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 04, 2015, 12:39:03 PM
poulton has stated this today... People, no matter how sympathetic, struggle to understand why Kate McCann did not comply with the Portuguese Police questions.
we know that is an absolute lie ...most of us understand exactly why kate didn't answer the 48 questions...
so we know poultons video...if it is ever released will not be truthful
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 04, 2015, 12:52:08 PM
The general drift among the supporters/faithful/sympathisers is that Sonia Poulton is telling porkies. I tend to agree especially when she makes comments like "her parents are becoming increasingly influential in areas of British public life" ?
Down here they aren't !
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 04, 2015, 02:21:36 PM
I asked you first. Do you approve of doorstepping as a media method of gaining an interview or not? Once you have answered I will give you my view.
. I have made my views on that clear.
However, in thus case I would call it poetic justice as the mccanns gave the dossier to the police, as BHH admitted.
After all, we know what happened to Brenda when she was doorstepped.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 04, 2015, 03:16:27 PM
http://www.bjr.org.uk/data/2014/no2_campbell
snip>>>>Indeed, the BBC and NUJ guidelines on the subject give backing to it. The BBC guidelines suggest that doorstepping should occur only “when there is evidence of crime or significant wrongdoing” and if the subject has failed to respond to repeated requests for interview without good reason. The guidelines add that “proposals for doorstepping should be proportionate to any wrongdoing”.<<<<snip
snip>>>>To summarise: doorstepping to establish the facts for a story – OK. Doorstepping just to see if people are coming to terms with a tragic but not mysterious or suspicious death – not OK.<<<<snip
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 04, 2015, 04:11:50 PM
However, in thus case I would call it poetic justice as the mccanns gave the dossier to the police, as BHH admitted.
After all, we know what happened to Brenda when she was doorstepped.
So you're an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth kinda guy, I see. So, as I suggested months ago this video is not really about Madeleine it's about avenging Brenda. Lovely.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 04, 2015, 04:13:10 PM
snip>>>>Indeed, the BBC and NUJ guidelines on the subject give backing to it. The BBC guidelines suggest that doorstepping should occur only “when there is evidence of crime or significant wrongdoing” and if the subject has failed to respond to repeated requests for interview without good reason. The guidelines add that “proposals for doorstepping should be proportionate to any wrongdoing”.<<<<snip
snip>>>>To summarise: doorstepping to establish the facts for a story – OK. Doorstepping just to see if people are coming to terms with a tragic but not mysterious or suspicious death – not OK.<<<<snip
In which case I would say that Kate has a case against Pointy, wouldn't you?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 04, 2015, 05:02:23 PM
So you're an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth kinda guy, I see. So, as I suggested months ago this video is not really about Madeleine it's about avenging Brenda. Lovely.
Try not to put words in my mouth.
There's a good boy.
I said effectively, just desserts.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 04, 2015, 05:57:13 PM
Just desserts, meaning that Kate McCann deserved to be doorstepped because you believe she was behind Brenda's doorstepping yes? So, if that is not seen as some sort of revenge, then what would you call it?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 04, 2015, 05:57:53 PM
Just desserts, meaning that Kate McCann deserved to be doorstepped because you believe she was behind Brenda's doorstepping yes? So, if that is not seen as some sort of revenge, then what would you call it?
Now just remind me alfred of who according to BHH handed the dossier to the police ?
and what happened to Brenda Leyland after she was doorstepped ?
Which of course did not happen after Ms. Poulton's call.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 04, 2015, 06:00:36 PM
Now just remind me alfred of who according to BHH handed the dossier to the police ?
and what happened to Brenda Leyland after she was doorstepped ?
Which of course did not happen after Ms. Poulton's call.
As you refuse to give a straight answer I'm going to have to guess at your opinion. You think doorstepping by the media is a bad thing, except when it's the McCanns being doorstepped because in your opinion it's payback for Brenda.
Correct?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: faithlilly on October 04, 2015, 06:12:01 PM
Is this something to do with the Profumo affair? Otherwise you've completely lost me, sorry.
There are those you seem not to like for whom you make up silly names on the basis you seem to think it is funny or clever despite knowing their real names. I was continuing the convention Mandy. At least Mandy Jones has a claim to fame which should flatter you in some respects.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: mercury on October 04, 2015, 06:37:03 PM
So the documentary has been finished and SP is in talks with broadcasters, progress I think. I expect at least those who harped on about it not even being made will be eating some humble pie.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 04, 2015, 06:56:32 PM
Mr Cameron was the man under whose leadership the funding for Operation Grange was authorised, thus enabling the continuation of the sceptics to multiply like Tribbles. You mock the hand that fed you.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 04, 2015, 07:07:34 PM
There are those you seem not to like for whom you make up silly names on the basis you seem to think it is funny or clever despite knowing their real names. I was continuing the convention Mandy. At least Mandy Jones has a claim to fame which should flatter you in some respects.
8((()*/
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 04, 2015, 07:11:16 PM
Mr Cameron was the man under whose leadership the funding for Operation Grange was authorised, thus enabling the continuation of the sceptics to multiply like Tribbles. You mock the hand that fed you.
I didn't believe the mccanns, well before Cameron's intervention.
As to those fictional Tribbles, not really Cameron's cup of tea. 8)--))
KUPLA ! 8(0(*
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on October 04, 2015, 07:13:23 PM
I said a lot...all of it true...what point are you referring to
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: mercury on October 04, 2015, 08:15:12 PM
Stephen was it this?
Quote from: stephen25000 on September 30, 2015, 08:16:08 PM So on a par with Summers and Swan then. Davel: I also said S&S would have no new facts and that there would be no untold story from poulton...right every time
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on October 04, 2015, 08:19:13 PM
Quote from: stephen25000 on September 30, 2015, 08:16:08 PM So on a par with Summers and Swan then. Davel: I also said S&S would have no new facts and that there would be no untold story from poulton...right every time
there will be no untold story because there is no untold story...poulton knows b****r all about the case....her great revelation today...kate didn't answer police questions
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 04, 2015, 08:21:28 PM
Quote from: stephen25000 on September 30, 2015, 08:16:08 PM So on a par with Summers and Swan then. Davel: I also said S&S would have no new facts and that there would be no untold story from poulton...right every time
Not quite.
The 'brave' davel said Poulton 'would be stopped'.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on October 04, 2015, 08:22:16 PM
there will be no untold story because there is no untold story...poulton knows b****r all about the case....her great revelation today...kate didn't answer police questions
I'd be careful of making predictions mystic meg, they often don't come true, but as well as being mystic meg you seem to have garnered the ability to mind read
As for SP knowing b....r all about the case, I'd say she probably knows more than you...you have not read the files, you never supply cites, you just issue sound bites
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 04, 2015, 08:27:14 PM
I'd be careful of making predictions mystic meg, they often don't come true, but as well as being mystic meg you seem to have garnered the ability to mind read
As for SP knowing b....r all about the case, I'd say she probably knows more than you...you have not read the files, you never supply cites, you just issue sound bites
Excellent post. 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on October 04, 2015, 08:28:29 PM
I'd be careful of making predictions mystic meg, they often don't come true, but as well as being mystic meg you seem to have garnered the ability to mind read
As for SP knowing b....r all about the case, I'd say she probably knows more than you...you have not read the files, you never supply cites, you just issue sound bites
she doesn't...one of her claims today is a lie
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: mercury on October 04, 2015, 08:31:00 PM
Why don't you take your grievances up with her then, oh I know, she has bigger Cahones than you. That's ok, it's understandable....now excuse me, I need to make a late dinner in the kitchen where you told me I belong, bye for now
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on October 04, 2015, 08:35:40 PM
poulton has stated this today... People, no matter how sympathetic, struggle to understand why Kate McCann did not comply with the Portuguese Police questions.
we know that is an absolute lie ...most of us who sympathise understand exactly why kate didn't answer the 48 questions...
so we know poultons video...if it is ever released will not be truthful
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 04, 2015, 08:35:49 PM
poulton has stated this today... People, no matter how sympathetic, struggle to understand why Kate McCann did not comply with the Portuguese Police questions.
we know that is an absolute lie ...most of us who sympathise understand exactly why kate didn't answer the 48 questions...
so we know poultons video...if it is ever released will not be truthful
She didn't say all people.
Did she ?
and you are one of a diminishing small band.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on October 04, 2015, 08:38:40 PM
poulton has stated this today... People, no matter how sympathetic, struggle to understand why Kate McCann did not comply with the Portuguese Police questions.
we know that is an absolute lie ...most of us who sympathise understand exactly why kate didn't answer the 48 questions...
so we know poultons video...if it is ever released will not be truthful
Agreed. I don't know of any supporter who 'struggles' to understand why Kate didn't answer the questions. You only have to read the questions to see which way the wind was blowing.
In my experience the only people who villify her for taking her lawyers advice at that time - are sceptics.
If Sonia Poulton genuinely hasn't understood why Kate took the advice of her Portugese lawyer - who knew far more about Portuguese law than she did - then I am truly surprised.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 04, 2015, 09:20:42 PM
Agreed. I don't know of any supporter who 'struggles' to understand why Kate didn't answer the questions. You only have to read the questions to see which way the wind was blowing.
In my experience the only people who villify her for taking her lawyers advice at that time - are sceptics.
If Sonia Poulton genuinely hasn't understood why Kate took the advice of her Portugese lawyer - who knew far more about Portuguese law than she did - then I am truly surprised.
In your experience ......
Namely as a member of the diminishing supporters club. 8)--))
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on October 04, 2015, 09:22:58 PM
Namely as a member of the diminishing supporters club. 8)--))
You forgot to say IN YOUR OPINION.
Can you cite a post from any supporter anywhere who admits to struggling to understand why Kate didn't answer the 48 questions as Sonia Poulton claims. I certainly can't - but if you know I'm wrong then feel free to produce your evidence.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 04, 2015, 09:39:44 PM
Can you cite a post from any supporter anywhere who admits to struggling to understand why Kate didn't answer the 48 questions as Sonia Poulton claims. I certainly can't - but if you know I'm wrong then feel free to produce your evidence.
Ask Sonia yourself.
So, come on, tell me how many people still support the mccanns. 8)--))
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on October 04, 2015, 09:41:33 PM
Can you cite a post from any supporter anywhere who admits to struggling to understand why Kate didn't answer the 48 questions as Sonia Poulton claims. I certainly can't - but if you know I'm wrong then feel free to produce your evidence.
Logical error there, there are people who are sympathetic but not "supporters" "prayers" or "candle lighters" but wonder what the problem might have been, because answering the questions might probably have caused less grief in the long term than saying "no comment"
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 04, 2015, 09:52:25 PM
Logical error there, there are people who are sympathetic but not "supporters" "prayers" or "candle lighters" but wonder what the problem might have been, because answering the questions might probably have caused less grief in the long term than saying "no comment"
I have certainly heard people who - although they are sympathetic - say they do not agree with the McCanns leaving their children, and I have no problem at all with that opinion. But in the years I have followed this case I have never read or heard of anyone sympathetic to the McCanns - struggling to understand why Kate didn't answer the 48 questions - as Sonia Poulton claims. That's quite a big claim to make IMO - I just hope she can back it up.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: mercury on October 05, 2015, 01:01:07 AM
I have certainly heard people who - although they are sympathetic - say they do not agree with the McCanns leaving their children, and I have no problem at all with that opinion. But in the years I have followed this case I have never read or heard of anyone sympathetic to the McCanns - struggling to understand why Kate didn't answer the 48 questions - as Sonia Poulton claims. That's quite a big claim to make IMO - I just hope she can back it up.
It was explained in my post which you quoted...IE just answer the questions if there was nothng to hide or potentially incriminating....as I said saying no comment caused her to be suspected MORE, ergo her own fault
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on October 05, 2015, 09:31:22 AM
It was explained in my post which you quoted...IE just answer the questions if there was nothng to hide or potentially incriminating....as I said saying no comment caused her to be suspected MORE, ergo her own fault
So in effect - Kate's Portuguese lawyer didn't know what he was talking about and gave her the wrong advice?
Or he gave her the right advice, but she should have ignored it - and concentrated instead on how it would look to some people if she did take his advice?
IOW she should have realised that what some members of the public might think of her decision - was far more important than putting herself in danger of being arrested for a crime which she did not commit and thus bringing the search for her daughter to an end. Really?
I'm fairly certain that her lawyer - experienced both in Portuguese law and how the PJ operated, spelled it out to her that if she didn't exercise her right to refuse, then she would be helping the PJ to do exactly that.
IMO to ignore his advice in such circumstances - on the grounds that it might make her look bad - would have been totally insane.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on October 05, 2015, 09:34:32 AM
So in effect - Kate's Portuguese lawyer didn't know what he was talking about and gave her the wrong advice?
Or he gave her the right advice, but she should have ignored it - and concentrated instead on how it would look to some people if she did take his advice?
IOW she should have realised that what some members of the public might think of her decision - was far more important than putting herself in danger of being arrested for a crime which she did not commit and thus bringing the search for her daughter to an end. Really?
I'm fairly certain that her lawyer - experienced both in Portuguese law and how the PJ operated, spelled it out to her that if she didn't exercise her right to refuse, then she would be helping the PJ to do exactly that.
IMO to ignore his advice in such circumstances - on the grounds that it might make her look bad - would have been totally insane.
it seems odd that poulton cannot see what was happening here....doesn't bode well for the truthfulness of her video...if it ever gets made
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Montclair on October 05, 2015, 09:37:16 AM
Why do people insist that Kate's lawyer told her not to answer the 48 questions? We don't know if this is true and we have no idea what he said to her.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: slartibartfast on October 05, 2015, 09:47:34 AM
Or he gave her the right advice, but she should have ignored it - and concentrated instead on how it would look to some people if she did take his advice?
IOW she should have realised that what some members of the public might think of her decision - was far more important than putting herself in danger of being arrested for a crime which she did not commit and thus bringing the search for her daughter to an end. Really?
She should have answered the questions and there wouldn't be this doubt today.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Mr Gray on October 05, 2015, 09:49:49 AM
She should have answered the questions and there wouldn't be this doubt today.
Well, as you have never been in the situation that Kate McCann was in, I don't think you can say she should have answered the questions. Kate was advised by her lawyer not to.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: slartibartfast on October 05, 2015, 09:51:33 AM
She should have answered the questions and there wouldn't be this doubt today.
So if you knew that if you answered the questions, the police could decide they didn't believe your answers and could arrest you for a crime you hadn't commited - you would still have answered - even though you didn't have to?
So easy to make judgements on others when it's their lives at risk of being ruined and not your own.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 05, 2015, 09:58:07 AM
So if you knew that if you answered the questions, the police could decide they didn't believe your answers and could arrest you for a crime you hadn't commited - you would still have answered - even though you didn't have to?
So easy to make judgements on others when it's their lives at risk of being ruined and not your own.
She clearly didn't answer the questions, just in case her answers didn't correspond to her husbands.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lace on October 05, 2015, 10:03:59 AM
She clearly didn't answer the questions, just in case her answers didn't correspond to her husbands.
What? asking her what she found when she entered the apartment, what she touched what she did, why did she leave the twins when she went to raise the alert etc. Gerry wouldn't have known any of that.
it was obvious, they were going to twist her words and try and frame her, they said they had 100% DNA of Madeleine, they wanted a confession, but they didn't get one. Kate asked them if Madeleine was dead and to tell her if she was dead, what a horrible thing to do to a mother whose daughter was missing.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 05, 2015, 10:06:54 AM
What? asking her what she found when she entered the apartment, what she touched what she did, why did she leave the twins when she went to raise the alert etc. Gerry wouldn't have known any of that.
it was obvious, they were going to twist her words and try and frame her, they said they had 100% DNA of Madeleine, they wanted a confession, but they didn't get one. Kate asked them if Madeleine was dead and to tell her if she was dead, what a horrible thing to do to a mother whose daughter was missing.
Utter complete cobblers.
Questioning the parents in missing children cases is standard procedure, invariably because statistics show parents or close family members are involvwd in child disappearances.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on October 05, 2015, 10:08:57 AM
Questioning the parents in missing children cases is standard procedure, invariably because statistics show parents or close family members are involvwd in child disappearances.
It wasn't just questioning though was it, it was accusing, 100% DNA of Madeleine all lies.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 05, 2015, 10:31:08 AM
It wasn't just questioning though was it, it was accusing, 100% DNA of Madeleine all lies.
and do you naively believe police all around the world don't adopt similar tactics when they think they have found the person or persons responsible for a crime ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on October 05, 2015, 10:58:45 AM
its a shame society is so absorbed now that if someone says something they dont like they sue them dont you think??
So if someone accused you of boiling babies alive in midnight Satanic rituals and it wasn't true, you would think it an imposition of society that you should be allowed to sue the person who made the false claim?
Is that right?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 05, 2015, 11:07:38 AM
So if someone accused you of boiling babies alive in midnight Satanic rituals and it wasn't true, you would think it an imposition of society that you should be allowed to sue the person who made the false claim?
Is that right?
Another standard mccann supporter tactic.
Bring up a totally irrelevant comparison.
Never seen that before. %£&)**# %£&)**# %£&)**#
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Lace on October 05, 2015, 11:16:44 AM
Oh come off it Stephen if someone wrote a book accusing you of something you hadn't done you would be straight to a solicitor. You complain to admin about things people say to you on this forum let alone writing a book saying what Amaral did.
Look at the outrage of some being called trolls, oh it's absolutely disgraceful, do you think they would let a book circulate saying that they had done things they hadn't, no I don't think so.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 05, 2015, 11:18:20 AM
Oh come off it Stephen if someone wrote a book accusing you of something you hadn't done you would be straight to a solicitor. You complain to admin about things people say to you on this forum let alone writing a book saying what Amaral did.
Look at the outrage of some being called trolls, oh it's absolutely disgraceful, do you think they would let a book circulate saying that they had done things they hadn't, no I don't think so.
Again, you forget to mention that in this case, the crime is undetermined.
..and let's face it, do potential guilty parties always tell the truth ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on October 05, 2015, 11:19:02 AM
and do you naively believe police all around the world don't adopt similar tactics when they think they have found the person or persons responsible for a crime ?
IMO a guilty person who knew that it was not impossible that DNA evidence could be found at the site where they had placed a dead body would realise the game was over once confronted with the fact that 100% DNA evidence had indeed been found at that site. The McCanns were not stupid and totally understood that. If they were guilty they would know they had been caught bang to rights and there was no point in prolonging things. I'm sure you will agree Stephen that the whole idea behind the PJ's tactic of lying to the McCanns about the DNA was to bring about that very situation
However, the fact that when confronted with 100% DNA match the McCanns did not give up and confess or even come close to a confession in the face of such indisputable evidence - should have told the PJ they were barking up the wrong tree.
All that lie succeeded in doing was to make the McCanns think that the PJ had evidence that their beloved daughter was dead and to react as any innocent parent of a missing child would on hearing such terrible news.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 05, 2015, 11:21:59 AM
IMO a guilty person who knew that it was not impossible that DNA evidence could be found at the site where they had placed a dead body would realise the game was over once confronted with the fact that 100% DNA evidence had indeed been found at that site. The McCanns were not stupid and totally understood that. If they were guilty they would know they had been caught bang to rights and there was no point in prolonging things. I'm sure you will agree Stephen that the whole idea behind the PJ's tactic of lying to the McCanns about the DNA was to bring about that very situation
However, the fact that when confronted with 100% DNA match the McCanns did not give up and confess or even come close to a confession in the face of such indisputable evidence - should have told the PJ they were barking up the wrong tree.
All that lie succeeded in doing was to make the McCanns think that the PJ had evidence that their beloved daughter was dead and to react as any innocent parent of a missing child would on hearing such terrible news.
I don't agree with you.
and you are on here defending the mccanns.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 05, 2015, 12:01:36 PM
IMO a guilty person who knew that it was not impossible that DNA evidence could be found at the site where they had placed a dead body would realise the game was over once confronted with the fact that 100% DNA evidence had indeed been found at that site. The McCanns were not stupid and totally understood that. If they were guilty they would know they had been caught bang to rights and there was no point in prolonging things. I'm sure you will agree Stephen that the whole idea behind the PJ's tactic of lying to the McCanns about the DNA was to bring about that very situation
However, the fact that when confronted with 100% DNA match the McCanns did not give up and confess or even come close to a confession in the face of such indisputable evidence - should have told the PJ they were barking up the wrong tree.
All that lie succeeded in doing was to make the McCanns think that the PJ had evidence that their beloved daughter was dead and to react as any innocent parent of a missing child would on hearing such terrible news.
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Erm no - actuallly I was discussing the point you raised about the tactics employed by police forces when questioning someone they believed to be guilty.
If you don't agree that the tactics employed by the PJ (i.e. lying about the 100% DNA evidence) was decided upon in the belief that it could well elicit confessions - then what IYO was their purpose in deciding to lie to the McCanns? Personally I can't think of any other reason than the one I've given - but that doesn't mean there aren't any.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 05, 2015, 12:05:22 PM
Erm no - actuallly I was discussing the point you raised about the tactics employed by police forces when questioning someone they believed to be guilty.
If you don't agree that the tactics employed by the PJ (i.e. lying about the 100% DNA evidence) was decided upon in the belief that it could well elicit confessions - then what IYO was their purpose in deciding to lie to the McCanns? Personally I can't think of any other reason than the one I've given - but that doesn't mean there aren't any.
Show me the body and prove it. Who was supposed to say that to the PJ?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on October 05, 2015, 12:10:37 PM
Show me the body and prove it. Who was supposed to say that to the PJ?
What has that got to do with tactics (which involve lying to suspects) employed by the police when questioning people who they have decided are guilty of a crime.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 05, 2015, 12:39:54 PM
What has that got to do with tactics (which involve lying to suspects) employed by the police when questioning people who they have decided are guilty of a crime.
Some will never admit to their crime until their last dying day in jail. One case I saw the other night the police released on the news that they knew where the body would be and were starting digging tomorrow and the suspect came out to spy on them. After he left the police went to his point of view and narrowed down where the body could be - in a vast area of fields. They went to that probable body area the next day and the suspect saw them and acted and went out that night to try and move the body. He showed them where it was. That was entrapment because they really had no idea where the body was. They lied and took a risk that the suspect would get scared about the news and act and it paid off.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: Benice on October 05, 2015, 03:20:43 PM
Some will never admit to their crime until their last dying day in jail. One case I saw the other night the police released on the news that they knew where the body would be and were starting digging tomorrow and the suspect came out to spy on them. After he left the police went to his point of view and narrowed down where the body could be - in a vast area of fields. They went to that probable body area the next day and the suspect saw them and acted and went out that night to try and move the body. He showed them where it was. That was entrapment because they really had no idea where the body was. They lied and took a risk that the suspect would get scared about the news and act and it paid off.
So what do you think the reason was for the PJ to take the decision to lie to the McCanns about the 100%DNA match? What were they hoping to achieve by employing that tactic?
All it did achieve IMO was to alarm the parents into thinking the PJ may have evidence that Madeleine was dead and caused them great distress. IIRC they begged the PJ to tell them if that was the case - as up until that point they were hoping she would be found alive. (from memory so am not sure whether this applied to both parents or just to Gerry)
However, hardly the reaction one would expect from guilty people to the news that 100% DNA evidence had been found and who would then realise that their goose was well on the way to being cooked IMO.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on October 05, 2015, 03:51:36 PM
So what do you think the reason was for the PJ to take the decision to lie to the McCanns about the 100%DNA match? What were they hoping to achieve by employing that tactic?
All it did achieve IMO was to alarm the parents into thinking the PJ may have evidence that Madeleine was dead and caused them great distress. IIRC they begged the PJ to tell them if that was the case - as up until that point they were hoping she would be found alive. (from memory so am not sure whether this applied to both parents or just to Gerry)
However, hardly the reaction one would expect from guilty people to the news that 100% DNA evidence had been found and who would then realise that their goose was well on the way to being cooked IMO.
It did that, certainly. But it did something else.
It alerted Kate and Gerry to the fact that the PJ were sizing them up as the 'guilty party' ...
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 05, 2015, 04:06:35 PM
So if someone accused you of boiling babies alive in midnight Satanic rituals and it wasn't true, you would think it an imposition of society that you should be allowed to sue the person who made the false claim?
Is that right?
It's a frequent occurrence, you just tend to laugh it off.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: slartibartfast on October 05, 2015, 04:34:29 PM
IMO a guilty person who knew that it was not impossible that DNA evidence could be found at the site where they had placed a dead body would realise the game was over once confronted with the fact that 100% DNA evidence had indeed been found at that site. The McCanns were not stupid and totally understood that. If they were guilty they would know they had been caught bang to rights and there was no point in prolonging things. I'm sure you will agree Stephen that the whole idea behind the PJ's tactic of lying to the McCanns about the DNA was to bring about that very situation
However, the fact that when confronted with 100% DNA match the McCanns did not give up and confess or even come close to a confession in the face of such indisputable evidence - should have told the PJ they were barking up the wrong tree.
All that lie succeeded in doing was to make the McCanns think that the PJ had evidence that their beloved daughter was dead and to react as any innocent parent of a missing child would on hearing such terrible news.
I think most people would refuse to answer any more questions and let the police try and prove it.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on October 05, 2015, 04:44:00 PM
IMO a guilty person who knew that it was not impossible that DNA evidence could be found at the site where they had placed a dead body would realise the game was over once confronted with the fact that 100% DNA evidence had indeed been found at that site. The McCanns were not stupid and totally understood that. If they were guilty they would know they had been caught bang to rights and there was no point in prolonging things. I'm sure you will agree Stephen that the whole idea behind the PJ's tactic of lying to the McCanns about the DNA was to bring about that very situation
However, the fact that when confronted with 100% DNA match the McCanns did not give up and confess or even come close to a confession in the face of such indisputable evidence - should have told the PJ they were barking up the wrong tree.
All that lie succeeded in doing was to make the McCanns think that the PJ had evidence that their beloved daughter was dead and to react as any innocent parent of a missing child would on hearing such terrible news.
Not quite all it did.
Arguably most significant, it was an unnecessary diversion and lost valuable time in efforts to track down the true perpetrator(s) of crime(s) against Madeleine ....
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: stephen25000 on October 05, 2015, 05:00:33 PM
Arguably most significant, it was an unnecessary diversion and lost valuable time in efforts to track down the true perpetrator(s) of crime(s) against Madeleine ....
In your opinion.
Hardly surprising.
Do try and remember the crime has yet to be determined, let alone be dealt with in court.
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: ferryman on October 05, 2015, 05:12:05 PM
Do try and remember the crime has yet to be determined, let alone be dealt with in court.
My opinion?
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It seems evident to us and because the files contain enough elements for such, that the crime of exposure or abandonment according to article 138 of the Penal Code can be eliminated from that range:
"1 - Whoever places another person's life in danger, a) By exposing her in a location where she is subject to a situation from which she, on her own, cannot defend herself against; or b) Abandoning her without defence, whenever the agent had the duty to guard her, to watch over her or to assist her;"
This legal type of crime is only fulfilled with intent, and this intent has to cover the creation of danger to the victim's life, as well as the absence of a capacity to defend herself, on the victim's behalf. In the case of the files and facing the elements that were collected it is evident that none of the arguidos Gerald or Kate acted with intent. The parents could not foresee that in the resort that they chose to spend a brief holiday, they could place the life of any of their children in danger, nor was that demanded from them: it was located in a peaceful area, where most of the residents are foreign citizens of the same nationality and without any known history of this type of criminality.
The parents didn't even represent the realisation of the fact, they trusted that everything would go well, as it had gone on the previous evenings, thus not equating, nor was it demanded from them, the possibility of the occurrence of an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments.
Reinforcing what was said is also the fact that despite leaving their daughter alone with her siblings in the apartment during more or less dilated moments, it is certain that in any case they checked on them. Without any pretension or compensatory effect, we must also recognise that the parents already expiate a heavy penalty - the disappearance of Madeleine - due to their lack of caution in the surveillance and protection of their children.
Concerning the other indicated crimes, they are no more than that and despite our perception that, due to its high degree of probability, the occurrence of a homicide cannot be discarded, such cannot be more than a mere supposition, due to the lack of sustaining elements in the files.
The non involvement of the arguidos parents of Madeleine in any penally relevant action seems to result from the objective circumstances of them not being inside the apartment when she disappeared, from the normal behaviour that they adopted until said disappearance and afterwards, as can be amply concluded from the witness statements, from the telephone communications analysis and also from the forensics' conclusions, namely the Reports from the FSS and from the National Institute for Legal Medicine.
To this can be added that, in reality, none of the indications that led to their constitution as arguidos was later confirmed or consolidated. If not, let us see: the information concerning a previous alert of the media before the polices was not confirmed, the traces that were marked by the dogs were not ratified in laboratory, and the initial indications from the above transcribed email, better clarified at a later date, ended up being revealed as innocuous.
Even if, hypothetically, one could admit that Gerald and Kate McCann might be responsible over the child's death, it would still have to be explained how, where through, when, with what means, with the help of whom and where to they freed themselves of her body within the restricted time frame that would have been available to them to do so. Their daily routine, until the 3rd of May, had been circumscribed to the narrow borders of the 'Ocean Club' resort and to the beach that lies next to it, unknowing the surrounding terrain and, apart from the English friends that were with them on holiday there, they had no known friends or contacts in Portugal.
Whose opinion is that?
Oh yes, incompetent senile doddery old fools of Portuguese prosecutors.
What would they know?
Title: Re: Journalist Sonia Poulton promises "The untold story of Madeleine McCann".
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 05, 2015, 05:24:48 PM
It did that, certainly. But it did something else.
It alerted Kate and Gerry to the fact that the PJ were sizing them up as the 'guilty party' ...
That happened in August.
8 Aug - João Carlos returned our car at lunchtime (albeit with a piece missing from the boot). He said that Neves and Encarnação were ready to see us later that afternoon. Thank goodness! Finally someone was going to explain to us exactly what was happening. We were taken to an upstairs room at the police station where we were greeted by Luís Neves and Guilhermino Encarnação. Our interpreter this time was a police officer, not Proconsul Angela Morado, as was usually the case. The whole demeanour of Neves and Encarnação was different. They looked serious and cold.