UK Justice Forum 🇬🇧
Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on February 22, 2015, 06:06:39 PM
-
Isn't it highly noticeable how the alleged sightings of Madeleine have all but disappeared. What does that tell us?
31
-
Isn't it highly noticeable how the alleged sightings of Madeleine have all but disappeared. What does that tell us?
tells me nothing...what does it tell you
-
Isn't it highly noticeable how the alleged sightings of Madeleine have all but disappeared. What does that tell us?
David Fullman, not real name !?, saw her having a holiday in Club Tropicana ('Fun & sunshine, there's enough for everyone', even Maddie.)
Has Madeleine McCann finally been found in Spain? Police investigate new sighting
Published: 17:30, Fri, October 3, 2014
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/518432/Madeleine-McCann-found-Spain-spotted-police-investigate
-
tells me nothing...what does it tell you
I suspect media manipulation.
-
I suspect media manipulation.
so you think the sightings were all made up....a conspiracy
-
so you think the sightings were all made up....a conspiracy
The Smiths sighting was made up, according to the desperate, & Jane Tanner did see an abductor, even though she didn't.
Sceptics all.
-
so you think the sightings were all made up....a conspiracy
The derision directed to reported sightings of Madeleine is one of the things I find most perplexing about people. It is almost as if they do not want Madeleine McCann to be found.
-
The derision directed to reported sightings of Madeleine is one of the things I find most perplexing about people. It is almost as if they do not want Madeleine McCann to be found.
What a strange statement.
Are you unaware of just how many people make things up and report them?
Why is acknowledging that truth tantamount to not wanting MM found in your book?
-
Police might assume the worst but that doesn't mean they stop looking for the perpetrator does it - especially in missing child cases they want to find the evidence to convict those who were responsible.
And members of the public wouldn't ignore something they saw or heard just because they might have strong opinion about Madeleine's case - if they saw or heard something they'd report it because it could be any child. I think the idea they'd dismiss it just because they thought it couldn't possibly be Madeleine is absurd (they'd know it could be anyone!).
I'm not sure about that.
So many Portuguese appear to have been brainwashed by the tabloid media (rags and TV matinée shows) and by pro-Amaral supporters. I doubt that that many of them even continue to follow the case - they've decided that she's dead (after all the former lead investigator assures them of that every time he gets air space)... and life moves on.
Those on the saner end of the sceptic scale who continue to follow the case in English-speaking media no doubt would quietly report a sighting. At least, I would hope so.
I'm not too convinced whether those on the mentally wobbly end of the sceptic spectrum would, even if she knocked on their doorbell.
-
I'm not sure about that.
So many Portuguese appear to have been brainwashed by the tabloid media (rags and TV matinée shows) and by pro-Amaral supporters. I doubt that that many of them even continue to follow the case - they've decided that she's dead (after all the former lead investigator assures them of that every time he gets air space)... and life moves on.
Those on the saner end of the sceptic scale who continue to follow the case in English-speaking media no doubt would quietly report a sighting. At least, I would hope so.
I'm not too convinced whether those on the mentally wobbly end of the sceptic spectrum would, even if she knocked on their doorbell.
Anything to back that up, because I've heard that almost all Portuguese people believe the McCanns without question, because the PJ have said they're not suspects.
-
Anything to back that up, because I've heard that almost all Portuguese people believe the McCanns without question, because the PJ have said they're not suspects.
Yes. The billboard being splashed with paint; the wall and stop signs in PdL being spray-painted; posts in the comment section of CdaM (aka CdaPJ); the results of a phone poll commissioned by a PT media outlet that I posted on another thread a few months ago.
-
I'm not sure about that.
So many Portuguese appear to have been brainwashed by the tabloid media (rags and TV matinée shows) and by pro-Amaral supporters. I doubt that that many of them even continue to follow the case - they've decided that she's dead (after all the former lead investigator assures them of that every time he gets air space)... and life moves on.
Those on the saner end of the sceptic scale who continue to follow the case in English-speaking media no doubt would quietly report a sighting. At least, I would hope so.
I'm not too convinced whether those on the mentally wobbly end of the sceptic spectrum would, even if she knocked on their doorbell.
I'm sure each of us has seen young girls who for a second you think look like Madeleine, but it's the Madeleine of eight years ago. That's a more likely reason why someone might not report it, they just know it's extremely unlikely.
Some people clearly do still report these sightings though, as a newspaper report in this thread indicates.
But I wasn't thinking about sightings, but about someone stumbling across non-visual evidence - hearing something or seeing other evidence. In those cases we'd all report it because you wouldn't know when you stumbled upon evidence of a child being held or mistreated who the child is, and so the rational side of your brain wouldn't intervene to tell you to get a grip.
-
Yes. The billboard being splashed with paint; the wall and stop signs in PdL being spray-painted; posts in the comment section of CdaM (aka CdaPJ); the results of a phone poll commissioned by a PT media outlet that I posted on another thread a few months ago.
Does that mean the Portuguese don't believe their own police force?
Blimey if it is true I can envisage brains going into overload on that score.
-
The derision directed to reported sightings of Madeleine is one of the things I find most perplexing about people. It is almost as if they do not want Madeleine McCann to be found.
To be fair, I can understand that to an extent. Back in 2007 there were soooo many of them and they all turned out to be nothing.
Some appeared potentially credible, but so many others appeared to have been invented by the tabloids, or by people contacting the tabs to flog a non-story for a few hundred quid / euros.
-
Yes. The billboard being splashed with paint; the wall and stop signs in PdL being spray-painted; posts in the comment section of CdaM (aka CdaPJ); the results of a phone poll commissioned by a PT media outlet that I posted on another thread a few months ago.
&%+((£ The billboard painting was a very long two years later?
-
Does that mean the Portuguese don't believe their own police force?
Blimey if it is true I can envisage brains going into overload on that score.
Erm... when Crimewatch was aired, CMTV aired its own variation on a theme with Amaral? Did you miss that?
-
I'm sure each of us has seen young girls who for a second you think look like Madeleine, but it's the Madeleine of eight years ago. That's a more likely reason why someone might not report it, they just know it's extremely unlikely.
Some people clearly do still report these sightings though, as a newspaper report in this thread indicates.
But I wasn't thinking about sightings, but about someone stumbling across non-visual evidence - hearing something or seeing other evidence. In those cases we'd all report it because you wouldn't know when you stumbled upon evidence of a child being held or mistreated who the child is, and so the rational side of your brain wouldn't intervene to tell you to get a grip.
I would hope so. However, until around 10 years or so ago, I'm not sure that I would have taken much notice of odd details that I might have stumbled upon in the course of a normal, busy day.
A case in point is an amazing story about a guy in Germany who was sorting out his household rubbish at a recycling site. He came across a scrap of paper in the waste-paper bin area with a help message scribbled on it. Instead of ignoring it, or just picking it up and dumping it with the rest of the waste paper, he called the police.
It turned out to be a desperate plea from a kidnapped child, who'd finally won the trust of her captor, and who could accompany him to the recycling point. She'd scribbled who she was and where she was on that bit of paper and had managed to drop it without her captor realising.
-
I would hope so. However, until around 10 years or so ago, I'm not sure that I would have taken much notice of odd details that I might have stumbled upon in the course of a normal, busy day.
A case in point is an amazing story about a guy in Germany who was sorting out his household rubbish at a recycling site. He came across a scrap of paper in the waste-paper bin area with a help message scribbled on it. Instead of ignoring it, or just picking it up and dumping it with the rest of the waste paper, he called the police.
It turned out to be a desperate plea from a kidnapped child, who'd finally won the trust of her captor, and who could accompany him to the recycling point. She'd scribbled who she was and where she was on that bit of paper and had managed to drop it without her captor realising.
Yes, what an amazing story.
But did it actually happen?
-
Yes, what an amazing story.
But did it actually happen?
Apparently. It was in the German news media at the time.
-
Apparently. It was in the German news media at the time.
Ah I see, so, I'll just have to take your word for it.
Well, I've heard that most people know, it never happened.
I seem to remember reading that somewhere, but you'll just have to take my word for it.
-
Ah I see, so, I'll just have to take your word for it.
Well, I've heard that most people know, it never happened.
I seem to remember reading that somewhere, but you'll just have to take my word for it.
Very funny, but fair enough. I don't like "I read somewhere that..." either.
This is all I can find in English for the moment (German articles had more details):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6179143.stm
-
Very funny, but fair enough. I don't like "I read somewhere that..." either.
This is all I can find in English for the moment (German articles had more details):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6179143.stm
http://www.dresden-fernsehen.de/Aktuelles/Artikel/476/Vermisste-Stephanie-gefunden/
-
http://www.dresden-fernsehen.de/Aktuelles/Artikel/476/Vermisste-Stephanie-gefunden/
Many thanks, Anna.
-
The absence of sightings these days is directly linked to the MSM and Press reporting.
-
The absence of sightings these days is directly linked to the MSM and Press reporting.
Are you of the opinion that the MSM have been told not to publish any more sighting stories...? &%+((£
-
The absence of sightings these days is directly linked to the MSM and Press reporting.
The sighting of a little girl was widely reported last year ... it shows that people are still aware, particularly of the age progression, and are still prepared to report it.
Madeleine McCann 'Lookalike' Picture From Europa League Final Sends Social Media Into Meltdown
The Huffington Post UK
Posted: 19/05/2014 11:14 BST Updated: 19/05/2014 11:59 BST
This image of a young football supporter bearing a strong resemblance to Madeleine McCann has gone viral, sparking fresh interest in the hunt for the missing English girl.
The image was taken from ITV4's coverage of the Europa League final in Turin between Seville and Benfica on May 14.
The picture of the girl among supporters of Benfica, a Portuguese team based in Lisbon, was shared by hundreds who thought it resembled age-progressed images of Madeleine, who disappeared while on holiday with her family in Portugal's Algarve on May 3, 2007.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/19/madeleine-mccann-lookalike-picture-viral_n_5350161.html
-
Are you of the opinion that the MSM have been told not to publish any more sighting stories...? &%+((£
If that is the case I think it could be a positive development.
-
http://www.dresden-fernsehen.de/Aktuelles/Artikel/476/Vermisste-Stephanie-gefunden/
The piece of paper was found on the ground near a litter container, not by someone recycling. Also, the girl wrote down the address of the house where she was held.
-
The piece of paper was found on the ground near a litter container, not by someone recycling. Also, the girl wrote down the address of the house where she was held.
Other articles said that it was found around one of those recycling litter bins that are found in many towns these days (paper goes here, tin cans go here, bottles go here... ).
Whether it was in fact a small litter bin or a larger recycling bin, how does that change the fact that someone found it and reported it to the police instead of ignoring it?
-
The piece of paper was found on the ground near a litter container, not by someone recycling. Also, the girl wrote down the address of the house where she was held.
Sorry? Did I say otherwise, or are you just being informative?
On the trail of the perpetrator, the police came with a piece of paper that a passerby had found in a paper container on the Mansfeld street near the house of the parents. The address given on've analyzed the officials and leave the apartment opened with a key service. Currently, Stephanie is in Unikllinikum, the parents are with her. The 35-year-old man was arrested. He is convicted of multiple sex offenses and lived in freedom for some years. The man had made massive sexual assault on the girl, said the spokesman for the prosecutor, Christian Avenarius. The Authority now determines, among other things for aggravated sexual abuse of children. For details about Stephanie's martyrdom has not been mentioned with regard to the family. About the exact circumstances of the abduction want tomorrow to inform prosecutors and police. The investigators currently see no connection to the sexual abuse of two other girls in Dresden-Hellerau and Coswig. After the disappearance of the student on the morning of January 11, on the way to school, the police had searched for days with a large contingent of the environment. The investigators of the Special Commission "Stephanie" counting on everything: from the accident to the crime. Recently even the guests of the board of the father were reviewed and included the Czech police in the border area in the manhunt.
-
Are you of the opinion that the MSM have been told not to publish any more sighting stories...? &%+((£
No. I don't believe that at all. What is very obvious however is that the number of sightings has fallen to almost zero and that is almost certainly directly attributed to the level of reporting in the case. I'm afraid the Press have simply got other fish to fry these days and barring some unique event, that is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future.
-
No. I don't believe that at all. What is very obvious however is that the number of sightings has fallen to almost zero and that is almost certainly directly attributed to the level of reporting in the case. I'm afraid the Press have simply got other fish to fry these days.
You think the press are bored of the case then?
-
You think the press are bored of the case then?
I think that the age progressed images, looks like many children of that age.
The posters, videos and newspaper photos of Madeleine at 3, were ingrained in everyone's minds. Apart from the fact that she might not look like that at all.................So, less sightings, therefore less press articles.
-
I think that the age progressed images, looks like many children of that age.
The posters, videos and newspaper photos of Madeleine at 3, were ingrained in everyone's minds. Apart from the fact that she might not look like that at all.................So, less sightings, therefore less press articles.
[/u]
Perhaps also, conversely, less media money to be made by the original frenzy and fewer police half-baked leaks to fuel speculation.
-
[/u]
Perhaps also, conversely, less media money to be made by the original frenzy and fewer police half-baked leaks to fuel speculation.
True, The frenzy(to a lesser degree) will continue again I suspect, once the secrecy is lifted. There just isn't anything to report on right now.
-
In 2007 everyone knew what Maddie looked like...now no one knows what Maddie looks like...it's as simple as that...no conspiracy theories necessary
-
In 2007 everyone knew what Maddie looked like...now no one knows what Maddie looks like...it's as simple as that...no conspiracy theories necessary
So, as I thought, you think she's alive.
Now why do you think that dave ?
-
So, as I thought, you think she's alive.
Now why do you think that dave ?
well you thought wrong as usual...I think there is a small chance maddie MAY still be alive...for obvious reasons
-
well you thought wrong as usual...I think there is a small chance maddie MAY still be alive...for obvious reasons
Where would that be after very nearly eight years without a trace of her ?
-
Where would that be after very nearly eight years without a trace of her ?
your posts get even more stupid
-
your posts get even more stupid
Bollocks.
I merely reported facts.
So if you think she is alive dave, then where could she be ???
-
Bollocks.
I merely reported facts.
So if you think she is alive dave, then where could she be ???
there are several cases of missing children being found after many years...fact
no proof maddie is dead...fact
where are your facts
-
there are several cases of missing children being found after many years...fact
no proof maddie is dead...fact
where are your facts
No proof she is alive.
Not one trace.
Unparalleled worldwide publicity for any missing child or person in history.
As to coming to harm, no doubt about it.
Now how many times have the mccanns said , 'she has come to no harm' ?
Since that is pure bull as well, ISN'T IT .
-
there are several cases of missing children being found after many years...fact
no proof maddie is dead...fact
where are your facts
... A definite indication though.
-
No proof she is alive.
Not one trace.
Unparalleled worldwide publicity for any missing child or person in history.
As to coming to harm, no doubt about it.
Now how many times have the mccanns said , 'she has come to no harm' ?
Since that is pure bull as well, ISN'T IT .
Your post is pure bull..there is no proof Maddie is dead...if you can't understand a simple fact....and it seem s you cannot... you are a complete waste of time
-
... A definite indication though.
I would say sadly that maddie is almost certainly dead...but she MAY be alive
-
Your post is pure bull..there is no proof Maddie is dead...if you can't understand a simple fact....and it seem s you cannot... you are a complete waste of time
So where is she dave ?
In the village Edgar thought, 10 miles from PDL.
Maybe she passed through a wormhole into an alternate dimension. As much evidence of that as for abduction and her being alive.
and dave, did she come to harm ?
-
So where is she dave ?
In the village Edgar thought, 10 miles from PDL.
Maybe she passed through a wormhole into an alternate dimension. As much evidence of that as for abduction and her being alive.
and dave, did she come to harm ?
so you accept she may still be alive
-
so you accept she may still be alive
No dave I believe she is dead.
-
No dave I believe she is dead.
is English not your first language
-
is English not your first language
Are you living in the real world ?
-
Are you living in the real world ?
when I read your posts it makes me unsure if I am....
I believe Maddie is almost certainly dead...but we cannot be sure...she may be alive
-
when I read your posts it makes me unsure if I am....
I believe Maddie is almost certainly dead...but we cannot be sure...she may be alive
She also may have vanished off the face of the earth dave.
So do you believe Madeleine will return from the big beyond and the mccanns will play happy families ?
-
She also may have vanished off the face of the earth dave.
So do you believe Madeleine will return from the big beyond and the mccanns will play happy families ?
of course stephen mcann supporters think maddie will return home as if nothing ever did happen
-
of course stephen mcann supporters think maddie will return home as if nothing ever did happen
Now that would be delusion.
-
Now that would be delusion.
of course in the story about that 17 year old the mcanns had to be mentioned why is it always about them in any missing persons case no disrespect but maddie isnt the only child that ever vanished
-
of course stephen mcann supporters think maddie will return home as if nothing ever did happen
and that Carlymichelle is called magic.
-
and that Carlymichelle is called magic.
exactly with the 1% chance of maddie beiing alive she would have PTSD and other problems she would not be the maddie she was aged 3
-
of course stephen mcann supporters think maddie will return home as if nothing ever did happen
I take it that is a debating point ... and not a serious opinion.
However it certainly does give the impression there are those among us for whom the only thing worse than Madeleine McCann not being found at all or being found dead would be for her to be found alive and well.
After being reunited with her daughter seventeen years after she was kidnapped and knowing first hand the anguish the McCann family are going through every day of their lives Celeste Nurse took time to write words of support and encouragement to them.
She was lucky and her daughter has been found ... why would anyone hope that Kate McCann doesn't get the same closure?
**snip
Celeste Nurse said she had offered encouragement to Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry and urged them to never give up hope of finding their daughter alive.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/562281/Madeleine-McCann-parents-receive-letter-from-mum-reunited-with-baby
-
of course stephen mcann supporters think maddie will return home as if nothing ever did happen
no one thinks that...it just shows how little you understand
-
John Blacksmith latest blog is excellent. He hits the nail.
The absence is surely due to the age difference, and it does not make it easier that McCanns/MSM continue to post cute baby Maddie pics. It sells papers, gains sympathy.
Many of the sightings earlier on were dubious to be fair. There was a frenzie of 'sightings'. All rather farcical IMO.
I have also believed that Maddie is dead, and has been since around that time she was reported missing.
-
John Blacksmith latest blog is excellent. He hits the nail.
The absence is surely due to the age difference, and it does not make it easier that McCanns/MSM continue to post cute baby Maddie pics. It sells papers, gains sympathy.
Many of the sightings earlier on were dubious to be fair. There was a frenzie of 'sightings'. All rather farcical IMO.
I have also believed that Maddie is dead, and has been since around that time she was reported missing.
I do believe the age progressed photo is now shown in the press articles, along with the 3 year old photos(familiar to all)…. so that people know who she is.
Surely it is up to the press, which photos from their library files, they decide to post and not the McCanns?
The aged photos could be one of many girls that age, so there is unlikely to be many, if any at all, sightings of her.
I believe that there is a strong possibility that Madeleine, is no longer alive, but until she is found, dead or alive or the culprit responsible for her disappearance is found, we can not realistically, be certain of anything.
-
I do believe the age progressed photo is now shown in the press articles, along with the 3 year old photos(familiar to all)…. so that people know who she is.
Surely it is up to the press, which photos from their library files, they decide to post and not the McCanns?
The aged photos could be one of many girls that age, so there is unlikely to be many, if any at all, sightings of her.
I believe that there is a strong possibility that Madeleine, is no longer alive, but until she is found, dead or alive or the culprit responsible for her disappearance is found, we can not realistically, be certain of anything.
Well said Anna I agree 8((()*/
As the years go by and she hasn't been found, of course the odds that Madeleine still being alive are slim. That doesn't mean that she is dead. There have been many cases where the child has been found after many years, to still have hope that Madeleine is alive is not something to be mocked. Indeed I would think that every person with a heart would want Madeleine to be alive and not dead.
-
Well said Anna I agree 8((()*/
As the years go by and she hasn't been found, of course the odds that Madeleine still being alive are slim. That doesn't mean that she is dead. There have been many cases where the child has been found after many years, to still have hope that Madeleine is alive is not something to be mocked. Indeed I would think that every person with a heart would want Madeleine to be alive and not dead.
theres having a heart and being realistic would you want a child alive and suffering for 8 years?? if it was my child i would not ( if i had one i wasnt able too) that doesnt mean it would not be brillant if maddie was found alive but again you have to be realistic the dogs findings the vast amount of time without a trace of her etc theres so much denial in this case and that doesnt give maddie any justice
-
theres having a heart and being realistic would you want a child alive and suffering for 8 years?? if it was my child i would not ( if i had one i wasnt able too) that doesnt mean it would not be brillant if maddie was found alive but again you have to be realistic the dogs findings the vast amount of time without a trace of her etc theres so much denial in this case and that doesnt give maddie any justice
You don't know if Madeleine is suffering do you?
Have you read any books in relation to other children who have been abducted and kept by paedophiles? I have and they are abused BUT they don't want to die, they want to live, and these children when they are found are helped by professionals. Of course they are going to have serious issues but they can be overcome. Who are we to say that they should be dead?
So if your child [if you had one] was abducted for eight years, you would prefer that child to be dead?
-
Basically the sightings were red herrings of people seeing small blondish haired females and then crying 'Madeleine'.
They had and continue to have no empirical value , since the trail went cold, very early on.