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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on May 15, 2015, 04:10:58 PM
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I'm sure most would consider WHF a 'house of horror'. Others properties with similar histories have been demolished eg former homes of the Wests, Huntley, Bridger, and Dunblane gym to name but a few. In this case a relative, AE, appeared only too happy to move in lock, stock and barrel pre trial and remains to this day. And even had her 8 year old daughter helping to re-make the twins' beds 5 days after the tragedy.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3168.0;attach=3118
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/04/april-jones-mark-bridger-house-demolition
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I'm sure most would consider WHF a 'house of horror'. Others properties with similar histories have been demolished eg former homes of the Wests, Huntley, Bridger, and Dunblane gym to name but a few. In this case a relative, AE, appeared only too happy to move in lock, stock and barrel pre trial and remains to this day. And even had her 8 year old daughter helping to re-make the twins' beds 5 days after the tragedy.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3168.0;attach=3118 (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3168.0;attach=3118)
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/04/april-jones-mark-bridger-house-demolition (http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/04/april-jones-mark-bridger-house-demolition)
Some are not as squeamish as you, Holly. For obvious reasons Jeremy Bamber had no intention of living there after the massacre he'd perpetrated, so why deny the rest of the family the opportunity. There are many houses where several people have been murdered by a family member which haven't been demolished. Even loner Dennis Nilsen's old butcher's shop hasn't, so why destroy a perfectly serviceable and attractive Grade II listed farmhouse. Spirits don't necessarily disappear even if the house does.
http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-353190-white-house-farmhouse-tolleshunt-d-arcy-#.VVbwPMnf1ys (http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-353190-white-house-farmhouse-tolleshunt-d-arcy-#.VVbwPMnf1ys)
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Some are not as squeamish as you, Holly. For obvious reasons Jeremy Bamber had no intention of living there after the massacre he'd perpetrated, so why deny the rest of the family the opportunity. There are many houses where several people have been murdered by a family member which haven't been demolished. Even loner Dennis Nilsen's old butcher's shop hasn't, so why destroy a perfectly serviceable and attractive Grade II listed farmhouse. Spirits don't necessarily disappear even if the house does.
http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-353190-white-house-farmhouse-tolleshunt-d-arcy-#.VVbwPMnf1ys (http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-353190-white-house-farmhouse-tolleshunt-d-arcy-#.VVbwPMnf1ys)
I wouldn't describe myself as "squeamish". I would not want to live in a property where 5 members of my family, albeit extended family, died in gruesome circumstances regardless of any practical implications and whether or not the property was listed. I would find it too upsetting and a constant reminder. I think most will share my sentiments.
The property didn't receive its listed status until 1987. And even if had been listed at the time this could have been overcome enabling demolition. I am sure the trustees of WHF would have been amenable to the wishes of the surviving relatives.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Taken as a whole I do not find WHF particularly attractive. I've visited numerous farms and most have long sweeping drives to the farmhouse and sit on undulating pasture land. WHF sits off Pages Lane which is a dirt track and is surrounded by flat ploughed fields. The rear of the property is quite ugly with exposed red bricks looking out on a hodgepodge of out buildings. I agree with the author who inscribed on the wardrobe door in Sheila's room "I hate this place".
As far as I can see the surviving relatives were not dependent on WHF for their livelihood or future prosperity. The fact a relative chose to set up home there is imo unfathomable. Especially set against the family's claim that JB's behaviour post murders was inappropriate and in some way indicative that he was responsible.
The former home of Nilsen apparently sold for 100k less than market value during 2013. A developer purchased it hoping to turn a 100k profit. However according to Rightmove the agent removed the property and its up for auction at 240k with a note:
"Buyers are asked to research the history of this property".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2568523/Former-house-horrors-killing-ground-serial-killer-Dennis-Nilsen-sale-100-000-profit-despite-grim-history.html
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-27858261.html
In some US states a law exists relating to 'Stigmatised Properties'. I think agents in the UK have a legal duty to make potential buyers aware of anything that might affect the resale value eg the site of murders/suicide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmatized_property
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/duty-to-disclose-selling-stigmatized-property.html
In the case of the Bain family home in New Zealand the house was burned to the ground two weeks after the murders:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10857352
In the case of the DeFeo family home in US the house was left standing and has a long ghoulish history and continues to be the subject of box office hit movies:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213078/Amityville-horror-house-market-owners-drop-asking-price-1-35m-955k.html
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1935897/
AE made meticulous notes about the smallest of detail. She makes no reference of taking delivery of new beds/mattresses so I assume the beds she remade in the twins' room, with the help of her 8 year old daughter, 5 days post tragedy were in fact the beds the twins were shot and killed in? Who exactly did she think would want to sleep in them? I understand her children suffered nightmares living there so perhaps they slept in the twins' beds? And folk talk of JB being cold, callous and exhibiting the traits of a psychopath &%+((£
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3168.0;attach=3118
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I agree with the author who inscribed on the wardrobe door in Sheila's room "I hate this place".
As far as I can see the surviving relatives were not dependent on WHF for their livelihood or future prosperity. The fact a relative chose to set up home there is imo unfathomable. Especially set against the family's claim that JB's behaviour post murders was inappropriate and in some way indicative that he was responsible.
AE made meticulous notes about the smallest of detail. She makes no reference of taking delivery of new beds/mattresses so I assume the beds she remade in the twins' room, with the help of her 8 year old daughter, 5 days post tragedy were in fact the beds the twins were shot and killed in? Who exactly did she think would want to sleep in them? I understand her children suffered nightmares living there so perhaps they slept in the twins' beds? And folk talk of JB being cold, callous and exhibiting the traits of a psychopath &%+((£
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3168.0;attach=3118 (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3168.0;attach=3118)
You're like that female ferret gnawing away at Whiteley's finger. 8)><( Shona!!!... give me a hand to remove prickly Holly! ?8)@)-)
If you're brought up in a farming family, wanting to continue the tradition is hard to shake off, hence the Eatons' desire to take on WHF. The surviving relatives had no wish to see it demolished. A similar takeover happened to the farm opposite me in the 1970's, when a farmer living half a mile away purchased it for his two sons, one of whom still lives there today.
Who do you think the author of "I HATE THIS PLACE" was?
Colin had an idea that it was Sheila's work... not because she thought the WHF was ugly, but like Jeremy she hankered after the high life in London in preference to the isolation a farm miles from anywhere would provide. When he visited, the twins' beds had been moved out and replaced by Sheila's old one (ISOTRE, 119).
I suppose this apocryphal story about AE's children suffering nightmares emanates from blue?
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You're like that female ferret gnawing away at Whiteley's finger. 8)><( Shona!!!... give me a hand to remove prickly Holly! ?8)@)-)
If you're brought up in a farming family, wanting to continue the tradition is hard to shake off, hence the Eatons' desire to take on WHF. The surviving relatives had no wish to see it demolished. A similar takeover happened to the farm opposite me in the 1970's, when a farmer living half a mile away purchased it for his two sons, one of whom still lives there today.
Who do you think the author of "I HATE THIS PLACE" was?
Colin had an idea that it was Sheila's work... not because she thought the WHF was ugly, but like Jeremy she hankered after the high life in London in preference to the isolation a farm miles from anywhere would provide. When he visited, the twins' beds had been moved out and replaced by Sheila's old one (ISOTRE, 119).
I suppose this apocryphal story about AE's children suffering nightmares emanates from blue?
http://davidjamessmith.net/pdf_articles/DJS_bamber.pdf
"Ann Eaton moved into the farm not long after the murders and still lives there with her family. Bamber told me he thought she was a “sick puppy” for doing that. Eaton would not talk to me for this article — indeed, after I wrote her a polite letter I received a “warning” call from an Essex police detective superintendent asking me to leave her alone, which I did — but David Boutflour was generous and spoke to me at length. It is clear he doesn’t understand his sister’s actions either. How could she? Boutflour told me he knew Ann’s children had suffered nightmares. As well you might. Bamber said she was “as cold as ice”."
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I don't think it should have been demolished since it can only be seen by someone who has business there. Apart from a couple of farm cottages and a bungalow there are no near neighbours so the question of causing trauma or upset to anyone doesn't really arise.
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I don't think it should have been demolished since it can only be seen by someone who has business there. Apart from a couple of farm cottages and a bungalow there are no near neighbours so the question of causing trauma or upset to anyone doesn't really arise.
The fact it doesn't appear to have ever caused AE any trauma or upset is IMO quite remarkable. According to DB (see post above) he doesn't understand his sister's actions ie setting up home at WHF shortly after the tragedy. It appears her children suffered nightmares as a result of living at WHF.
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The fact it doesn't appear to have ever caused AE any trauma or upset is IMO quite remarkable. According to DB (see post above) he doesn't understand his sister's actions ie setting up home at WHF shortly after the tragedy. It appears her children suffered nightmares as a result of living at WHF.
Ann might have felt closer to her aunt and uncle by living in their former home. Had it been strangers who had been murdered in the property it would have been a different matter imo.
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Ann might have felt closer to her aunt and uncle by living in their former home. Had it been strangers who had been murdered in the property it would have been a different matter imo.
Had JB moved into WHF to be "closer" to his family I can just imagine the criticism that would have been levelled against him!
There's no evidence AE was particularly close to any member of the Bamber family incl her Aunt June.
"I will say that during the early and teenage years of my life I did not visit my Aunt June and Uncle Nevill and their adopted children very often. My parents, my brother and I visited White House Farm at Christmas time to exchange presents and occasionally for Sunday lunch".
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1053.0;attach=2143
"I left school aged 16 years and worked for a course at the Mid Essex Technical Collage and School of Art in Chelmsford. I moved in with some friends only returning home to Wix at weekends. I didn't see Sheila or Jeremy very often during this period of my life and only saw my Aunt June Bamber and Uncle Nevill Bamber at White House Farm on infrequent occasions".
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1053.0;attach=2145
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Demolishing the farmhouse was never on the cards.
Had a member of the family not taken over the lease of the farm it would have been rented to someone else. Ann and Peter undoubtedly saw it as honouring their murdered kins memory and in any event it made perfect sense to take over the lease when it was left to Peter to sort out the mess left behind by Jeremy Bamber.
Seems as far as Jeremy Bamber was concerned, jollys to Amsterdam and the south of France with Brett Collins were more important than bringing in the harvest...nuff said!
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Demolishing the farmhouse was never on the cards.
Had a member of the family not taken over the lease of the farm it would have been rented to someone else. Ann and Peter undoubtedly saw it as honouring their murdered kins memory and in any event it made perfect sense to take over the lease when it was left to Peter to sort out the mess left behind by Jeremy Bamber.
According to BW PE was the one that created a mess and financial wrongdoing over the takeover and running of WHF:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1045.msg29871#msg29871
Seems as far as Jeremy Bamber was concerned, jollys to Amsterdam and the south of France with Brett Collins were more important than bringing in the harvest...nuff said!
JB did cancel a planned hol with JM as he was unable to take time off work:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=284.0;attach=1130
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According to BW PE was the one that created a mess and financial wrongdoing over the takeover and running of WHF:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1045.msg29871#msg29871
JB did cancel a planned hol with JM as he was unable to take time off work:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=284.0;attach=1130
Yes, Barbara had a lot of criticism for Peter and accused him of effectively feathering his own nest.
This holiday with Julie which was cancelled, when was this Holly?
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Yes, Barbara had a lot of criticism for Peter and accused him of effectively feathering his own nest.
This holiday with Julie which was cancelled, when was this Holly?
The planned holiday with JM was apparently JB's 21st birthday present to JM. Her 21st was on 24th August 1985 but I'm not sure if they intended to be away for her actual birthday or not:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=284.0;attach=1130
I think there's some other info about this somewhere so I'll have a look.
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The planned holiday with JM was apparently JB's 21st birthday present to JM. Her 21st was on 24th August 1985 but I'm not sure if they intended to be away for her actual birthday or not:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=284.0;attach=1130
I think there's some other info about this somewhere so I'll have a look.
Thanks for that reminder Holly, no doubt going on holiday with Julie was the last thing on his mind given the circumstances.
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I'm sure most would consider WHF a 'house of horror'. Others properties with similar histories have been demolished eg former homes of the Wests, Huntley, Bridger, and Dunblane gym to name but a few. In this case a relative, AE, appeared only too happy to move in lock, stock and barrel pre trial and remains to this day. And even had her 8 year old daughter helping to re-make the twins' beds 5 days after the tragedy.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3168.0;attach=3118
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/04/april-jones-mark-bridger-house-demolition
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I agree, I found that very odd and the fact in her statement she asked JB why he didn't want to live there! she also was there a lot after the tragedy like she had her sights on it from the get go , and i also found it off that she asked about having June's engagement ring so soon after the murders.
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The decision to demolish or not would have been down to the trust that owns the house surely? I suppose if they had a willing tenant in Ann they would go with her wishes. It's a nice historic building and some people aren't worried about ghosts. Not for me personally, I could not set foot in such a house but each to his own.
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I agree, I found that very odd and the fact in her statement she asked JB why he didn't want to live there! she also was there a lot after the tragedy like she had her sights on it from the get go , and i also found it off that she asked about having June's engagement ring so soon after the murders.
If you don't ask the question, you'll never know what the answer would be. Surely better that Ann had it and kept it in the family, than Jeremy flogged it along with anything else he could lay his hands on.
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If you don't ask the question, you'll never know what the answer would be. Surely better that Ann had it and kept it in the family, than Jeremy flogged it along with anything else he could lay his hands on.
The Bamber's only rented White House Farm and the farmhouse as the Eatons now do.
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The Bamber's only rented White House Farm and the farmhouse as the Eatons now do.
I read it was leased?
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If you don't ask the question, you'll never know what the answer would be. Surely better that Ann had it and kept it in the family, than Jeremy flogged it along with anything else he could lay his hands on.
it's an impolite question at the best of times but when three generations of your family have just been murdered it's a dreadful one to ask imo
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Not if its an heirloom and you know for a fact that your nephew is making plans to sell off everything of value. To be frank in that situation I'd probably have asked the same. Bamber obviously had no attachment to family stuff and ruthlessly disposed of things as quickly as he could.
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The Bamber's only rented White House Farm and the farmhouse as the Eatons now do.
Yes, it belongs to a trust, but I was actually referring to June's engagement ring 8)--))
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I read it was leased?
Rent, lease - sort of splitting hairs. They paid money to live there to the owning trust.
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Yes, it belongs to a trust, but I was actually referring to June's engagement ring 8)--))
I know and yes I would have asked about the ring. My answer still stands.
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it's an impolite question at the best of times but when three generations of your family have just been murdered it's a dreadful one to ask imo
I think Ann was probably very aware of Jeremy's avarice.
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I know and yes I would have asked about the ring. My answer still stands.
I concur. A lady after my own heart 8)-)))
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Yes, it belongs to a trust, but I was actually referring to June's engagement ring 8)--))
Apologies
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Apologies
None needed 8)--))
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Not if its an heirloom and you know for a fact that your nephew is making plans to sell off everything of value. To be frank in that situation I'd probably have asked the same. Bamber obviously had no attachment to family stuff and ruthlessly disposed of things as quickly as he could.
I know if that had been me it would have been the very last thing on my mind. And how would she know at that time what JB was planning, PLUS he was the son she was the niece, I'd say that gave him the right to decide what happened with anything that wasn't set out in the wills.
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Apologies
i thought she was talking about the house as well
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I agree, I found that very odd and the fact in her statement she asked JB why he didn't want to live there! she also was there a lot after the tragedy like she had her sights on it from the get go , and i also found it off that she asked about having June's engagement ring so soon after the murders.
Ann asked for the ring for Pam, not for herself.
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I'm sure most would consider WHF a 'house of horror'. Others properties with similar histories have been demolished eg former homes of the Wests, Huntley, Bridger, and Dunblane gym to name but a few. In this case a relative, AE, appeared only too happy to move in lock, stock and barrel pre trial and remains to this day. And even had her 8 year old daughter helping to re-make the twins' beds 5 days after the tragedy.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3168.0;attach=3118
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/04/april-jones-mark-bridger-house-demolition
I don't think the farmhouse should have been demolished despite the atrocities which took place within its walls. Those instances where houses have been demolished are usually located within housing schemes.
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I know if that had been me it would have been the very last thing on my mind. And how would she know at that time what JB was planning, PLUS he was the son she was the niece, I'd say that gave him the right to decide what happened with anything that wasn't set out in the wills.
If I'd witnessed the packing up and discarding of personal family stuff, keeping hold of it for posterity would be the first thing on my mind. Surely, if he was going to flog it anyway, one person's money would be as good as another's. One might have thought he'd have given the family first refusal? A ring -especially an engagement ring- is of huge sentimental value, irrelevant of what is it's financial value. It's not impossible that there'd been a verbal agreement, regarding it, between June and Pam, although it's perhaps MORE likely that it would have been bequeathed to Sheila.
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Well JBs robbery and obsessive greed would have been obvious to all of his family. If I had a family member like that with no regard for heritage or sentimental value I would have spoken up before he had a chance to flog an item like an engagement ring. If Carol Ann Lee is correct then the haste with which he sold off family antiques, portraits etc is frankly more shameful that a relative asking about one ring!
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Well JBs robbery and obsessive greed would have been obvious to all of his family. If I had a family member like that with no regard for heritage or sentimental value I would have spoken up before he had a chance to flog an item like an engagement ring. If Carol Ann Lee is correct then the haste with which he sold off family antiques, portraits etc is frankly more shameful that a relative asking about one ring!
Supporters are very eager for us to believe he 'needed' money to pay for funerals and death duties. They turn a very blind eye to him treating family heirlooms with no more respect than a burnt out tumble dryer. There doesn't seem to be, around that time, a record of any bank account set up to deposit the money, although his social life appears to have been hectic. One gets the impression that his need was for ready cash which can't be traced.
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Ann asked for the ring for Pam, not for herself.
as i said before i find it very surprising given what had just happened ,
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as i said before i find it very surprising given what had just happened ,
I can't think why. That ring may well have been a Georgian or Victorian piece which had belonged to Nevill's family. He couldn't have wanted to give it to Julie if he intended to flog it. Why should it not be kept in the family? I'd have paid for it, rather than let it go.
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I can't think why. That ring may well have been a Georgian or Victorian piece which had belonged to Nevill's family. He couldn't have wanted to give it to Julie if he intended to flog it. Why should it not be kept in the family? I'd have paid for it, rather than let it go.
June had specified it go to JB and SC
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as i said before i find it very surprising given what had just happened ,
Why? He wanted then destroyed in the cremation, why is it weird that June's sister wanted to keep the ring?
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June had specified it go to JB and SC
That would have worked well, wouldn't it? Two people owning the same item of jewellery? Mmm. Still. Sheila's death settled ownership, but I imagine June would sooner Pam had it, than have it flogged.
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That would have worked well, wouldn't it? Two people owning the same item of jewellery? Mmm. Still. Sheila's death settled ownership, but I imagine June would sooner Pam had it, than have it flogged.
if she'd sooner that she would have said so in her will.
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Ann asked for the ring for Pam, not for herself.
so? she wanted it whether for herself or her mother. she was pre-ocuppied with that ! when 5 members of her family had been murdered! i still can't get my head round that , i would have been too stricken with grief to think of much
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if she'd sooner that she would have said so in her will.
IF it had crossed her mind for a single moment that her son -that's the same son that wanted her rings to go through the cremator- would want to flog them indiscriminately, rather than allow them to stay in the family, I feel certain she would. However, it doesn't explain how 2 people were going to own the same ring.
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so? she wanted it whether for herself or her mother. she was pre-ocuppied with that ! when 5 members of her family had been murdered! i still can't get my head round that , i would have been too stricken with grief to think of much
So you would have failed to notice that everything your family had held dear -perhaps for generations, stories about them becoming part of family lore- was being sold off indiscriminately? Not only would I have noticed, I may have felt as if I was losing them a second time. I might have been more accepting, though, had I been given a reason for it and the chance -if immediate finances were needed- to put in some sort of offer rather than see them lost to the family forever.
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June had specified it go to JB and SC
Says who?
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so? she wanted it whether for herself or her mother. she was pre-ocuppied with that ! when 5 members of her family had been murdered! i still can't get my head round that , i would have been too stricken with grief to think of much
I don't think the thought of June's engagement ring was her only thought from waking to going to bed. However, do you know the first thing Jeremy asked about when he returned to WHF for the first time after the murders?
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so? she wanted it whether for herself or her mother. she was pre-ocuppied with that ! when 5 members of her family had been murdered! i still can't get my head round that , i would have been too stricken with grief to think of much
I don’t think being the messenger for her mother Pam makes you pre-occupied with anything, Pam wanted a keep sake of her sister and to hold the ring. Anne could have taken any jewellery she wanted, she held the key to WHF endorsed by Bamber, she took all the jewellery with her until Sotheby’s came to value them. She did the right thing and asked for a keepsake and didn’t just take. Maybe we can take a different look at why Anne moved into WHF, she doesn’t own it so she didn’t gain much, the family was rich in their own rights, could it be the fact she felt loyalty to her Godfather Neville to keep the farm, it was up to the trustees, who might have thought it was better to keep it within the family than fall into the wrong hands? Anne has had to block out the past and what happened inside WHF, sometimes and unless your brought up in farming/Buisness tradition is an expected way of life.
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I don’t think being the messenger for her mother Pam makes you pre-occupied with anything, Pam wanted a keep sake of her sister and to hold the ring. Anne could have taken any jewellery she wanted, she held the key to WHF endorsed by Bamber, she took all the jewellery with her until Sotheby’s came to value them. She did the right thing and asked for a keepsake and didn’t just take. Maybe we can take a different look at why Anne moved into WHF, she doesn’t own it so she didn’t gain much, the family was rich in their own rights, could it be the fact she felt loyalty to her Godfather Neville to keep the farm, it was up to the trustees, who might have thought it was better to keep it within the family than fall into the wrong hands? Anne has had to block out the past and what happened inside WHF, sometimes and unless your brought up in farming/Buisness tradition is an expected way of life.
Perhaps it was also a one finger salute to Bamber, although it was a number of years after the murders when Ann and her family moved in.
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Perhaps it was also a one finger salute to Bamber, although it was a number of years after the murders when Ann and her family moved in.
Ha Ha or a two finger salute. Without checking Caroline, how long after was it? Seems she had fond memories of Neville and loved his jokes and tricks and how she used to turn to him when she had any problems.
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Ha Ha or a two finger salute. Without checking Caroline, how long after was it? Seems she had fond memories of Neville and loved his jokes and tricks and how she used to turn to him when she had any problems.
It was a good four years - sometimes people talk as though they didn't give time for the bed to be cold.
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It was a good four years - sometimes people talk as though they didn't give time for the bed to be cold.
Thanks Caroline, Anne’s worked very hard turning Osea into one of the best holiday parks in Essex coupled with the running of WHF. I bet it’s been easier not having a thieving murdering cousin to worry about. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Thanks Caroline, Anne’s worked very hard turning Osea into one of the best holiday parks in Essex coupled with the running of WHF. I bet it’s been easier not having a thieving murdering cousin to worry about. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Trouble is, he's never ceased to to a worry. 8(8-))
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Trouble is, he's never ceased to to a worry. 8(8-))
I think most family’s who are unfortunate to be linked/involved with killers/prisoners have a worry, it’s a well known fact everyone in prison is innocent or claim to be, they are good at convincing others that they are innocent as well. I think over time, a victim/family comes to terms with it and in the end you have to get on with your life, they never go away though Caroline but it gets easier.
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I think most family’s who are unfortunate to be linked/involved with killers/prisoners have a worry, it’s a well known fact everyone in prison is innocent or claim to be, they are good at convincing others that they are innocent as well. I think over time, a victim/family comes to terms with it and in the end you have to get on with your life, they never go away though Caroline but it gets easier.
8((()*/
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Not being funny “but” he’s been saying this every year.
So as we stand on the dawn of a new year I will be excited to greet 2018 as I know that this will unquestionably be the year that I will achieve justice at long last. The submissions to the CCRC will occur early in the New Year and then we just have to be a little more patient while they absorb and act on the wealth of exculpatory evidence they are being presented with. I will be home and I know I will see you all very soon.
So we’re over half way through the year, so the submissions are in then?
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Not being funny “but” he’s been saying this every year.
So as we stand on the dawn of a new year I will be excited to greet 2018 as I know that this will unquestionably be the year that I will achieve justice at long last. The submissions to the CCRC will occur early in the New Year and then we just have to be a little more patient while they absorb and act on the wealth of exculpatory evidence they are being presented with. I will be home and I know I will see you all very soon.
So we’re over half way through the year, so the submissions are in then?
Staunch supporters have gone into nose tapping, nudge-nudge, wink-wink, know what I mean mode. It appears that the CT are working on things NOW which aren't in the public domain and things are going swimmingly &%%6
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Staunch supporters have gone into nose tapping, nudge-nudge, wink-wink, know what I mean mode. It appears that the CT are working on things NOW which aren't in the public domain and things are going swimmingly &%%6
Of course they aren't in the public domain, they're in the oven, it's another bake-off @)(++(*
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Staunch supporters have gone into nose tapping, nudge-nudge, wink-wink, know what I mean mode. It appears that the CT are working on things NOW which aren't in the public domain and things are going swimmingly &%%6
And so they should Jane, bless them.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229.0;attach=792
What photos is he on about here in 2011; that was going to get him off Jane?
These must be what he’s on about in 2011
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229.0;attach=790
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Of course they aren't in the public domain, they're in the oven, it's another bake-off @)(++(*
Is there NO end to the CT's ingenuity and talent *%87 &^^&*
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Is there NO end to the CT's ingenuity and talent *%87 &^^&*
Perhaps they do a 'Bamber Love Island'? @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Perhaps they do a 'Bamber Love Island'? @)(++(* @)(++(*
He’s a bit like England’s football song that you get fed up of hearing, He’s Coming Home, Bamber’s coming home. It/he never did @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Perhaps they do a 'Bamber Love Island'? @)(++(* @)(++(*
Who do you think might offer themselves as his love interest, RJ? @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Sooty maybe?... Awwwwww! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkb-YboxbWc)
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Sooty maybe?... Awwwwww! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkb-YboxbWc)
Poooooor Sooty 8)><(
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He’s a bit like England’s football song that you get fed up of hearing, He’s Coming Home, Bamber’s coming home. It/he never did @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
But like England bringing back the world cup ............. not this year @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Perhaps they do a 'Bamber Love Island'? @)(++(* @)(++(*
Cue Troods and lookout getting their landing strips done. 8(8-))
And blimey, Peter Tatchell's voice! He ought to do an advert for Dignitas, for people who aren't sure if they want to go through with it. Two minutes of listening to that moany drone and they'd be walloping down the pentobarbital. 8((()*/
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Cue Troods and lookout getting their landing strips done. 8(8-))
And blimey, Peter Tatchell's voice! He ought to do an advert for Dignitas, for people who aren't sure if they want to go through with it. Two minutes of listening to that moany drone and they'd be walloping down the pentobarbital. 8((()*/
Perhaps he'd have been better employed as an undertaker?
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Perhaps he'd have been better employed as an undertaker?
Ha!! Or the commentator for the Tortoise Grand National!
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Ha!! Or the commentator for the Tortoise Grand National!
My money's on the Tortoise!
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Cue Troods and lookout getting their landing strips done. 8(8-))
And blimey, Peter Tatchell's voice! He ought to do an advert for Dignitas, for people who aren't sure if they want to go through with it. Two minutes of listening to that moany drone and they'd be walloping down the pentobarbital. 8((()*/
Have to admit, I did check the cupboard @)(++(*
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Cue Troods and lookout getting their landing strips done. 8(8-))
And blimey, Peter Tatchell's voice! He ought to do an advert for Dignitas, for people who aren't sure if they want to go through with it. Two minutes of listening to that moany drone and they'd be walloping down the pentobarbital. 8((()*/
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Staunch supporters have gone into nose tapping, nudge-nudge, wink-wink, know what I mean mode. It appears that the CT are working on things NOW which aren't in the public domain and things are going swimmingly &%%6
All this crap about PII, you would think it only ever happened in the Bamber case, it’s the court that decides, the prosecution only presents an application, the defence will make a representation, if the disputed material MAY prove the defendant’s innocence or prevent a miscarriage of justice, then the balance comes down resoundingly in favour of disclosure of the defence. Therefore, if there is a chance that the information may lead to an acquittal, it has to go in.
So nothing is held from the defence if it’s under PII. I would say pictures of the children and other sensitive images would have been cut out?
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GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLQ8kEg8vfc
Gay!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLQ8kEg8vfc
Gay!
Sometimes, there are just no words ...... how? Where? Phffffffffff @)(++(*
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