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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: ferryman on May 18, 2015, 07:17:32 AM
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So if Amaral's grounds of appeal are turned down, what will be the legal position in respect of the money in the gofundme account?
Will it all have to be returned?
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So if Amaral's grounds of appeal are turned down, what will be the legal position in respect of the money in the gofundme account?
Will it all have to be returned?
All donations from well wishers, so no different to all the donations in the Madeleine Fund if she is found or not found I would have thought. No contracts or other agreements have been signed have they? So where is the legal territory? Nowhere.
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All donations from well wishers, so no different to all the donations in the Madeleine Fund if she is found or not found I would have thought. No contracts or other agreements have been signed have they? So where is the legal territory? Nowhere.
I suppose individuals could express a choice that money donated be used for purposes other than that specified at the outset of the appeal.
But equally, they might express a choice that don't wish it be used for any other purpose.
They would, in effect, have given the money under false pretences.
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I suppose individuals could express a choice that money donated be used for purposes other than that specified at the outset of the appeal.
But equally, they might express a choice that don't wish it be used for any other purpose.
They would, in effect, have given the money under false pretences.
You mean like moneys donated to the Madeleine Fund be used for lawyers, PR advisers, other miscellaneous advisers, court expenses, and the like? Sure.
Work calls. My humblest apologies if I don't reply until tonight.
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You mean like moneys donated to the Madeleine Fund be used for lawyers, PR advisers, other miscellaneous advisers, court expenses, and the like? Sure.
Work calls. My humblest apologies if I don't reply until tonight.
No, I don't mean that at all.
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I suppose individuals could express a choice that money donated be used for purposes other than that specified at the outset of the appeal.
But equally, they might express a choice that don't wish it be used for any other purpose.
They would, in effect, have given the money under false pretences.
All monies donated are in the nature of an outright gift. So the money can be used for any purpose whatsoever without restriction.
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All monies donated are in the nature of an outright gift. So the money can be used for any purpose whatsoever without restriction.
Gosh!
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Gosh!
I thought I read somewhere that if the money wasnt used for legal expenses it would go to a children's charity of Amarals choice . ( From memory - so I could be wrong.)
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I am sure any surplus will be used for some worthwhile purpose. But the fund organisers are under no legal obligation to act in any particular way or to seek the opinion or consent of any of the donors.
In contract to the "Find Madeleine" fund, where the directors must act in accordance with the Mem and Arts of the company.
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I thought I read somewhere that if the money wasnt used for legal expenses it would go to a children's charity of Amarals choice . ( From memory - so I could be wrong.)
I understand it was to be donated to a children's charity of Mr Amaral's choice.
He has expressed an interest in starting a foundation for troubled children ... a worthwhile endeavour which will require continued funding to support it.
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I am sure any surplus will be used for some worthwhile purpose. But the fund organisers are under no legal obligation to act in any particular way or to seek the opinion or consent of any of the donors.
In contract to the "Find Madeleine" fund, where the directors must act in accordance with the Mem and Arts of the company.
So in other words ... whichever bank account it happens to be in ... is the one which legally calls the shots.
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So in other words ... whichever bank account it happens to be in ... is the one which legally calls the shots.
That is about the long and short of it, yes.
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That is about the long and short of it, yes.
Hmmm ... £5%4% why didn't I think of that one??
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Are the legal defence funds at risk of being frozen by the Court in any circumstances?
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Are the legal defence funds at risk of being frozen by the Court in any circumstances?
As they don't belong to Amaral that would be unlikely?
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I cannot see the point of this. The money will go to a Charity, after any of Amaral's previous legal costs have been paid.
And I really cannot get off on any possible nefarious possibilities.
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Don't blame me.
I made the post, but I didn't start the thread.
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Don't blame me.
I made the post, but I didn't start the thread.
No blame intended. I am just a trifle battle weary with not much going on.
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The first instance judge cannot refuse to send his appeal to the Tribunal da Relação, so his appeal will be considered at a higher level. So why this question? Why haven't you, Ferryman, been able to assimilate this information yet?
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I endeavour, always, to assimilate information and filter out disinformation ...
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Let's not get personal, please.
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Perhaps Montclaire would like to tell us what the latest (revised) figure in the Goncalo fund is?
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I endeavour, always, to assimilate information and filter out disinformation ...
Your assimilation is biased towards the mccanns, as always.
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Your assimilation is biased towards the mccanns, as always.
I said, Please let's not get personal.
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Your assimilation is biased towards the mccanns, as always.
Why do you keep on about people being biased? Are you claiming to be unbiased? Surely not.
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Why do you keep on about people being biased? Are you claiming to be unbiased? Surely not.
No more than you.
P.S. As a subtle reminder, when people such as ferryman claim to look at information fairly, it it has to be taken in the light of their stance in the case.
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what concern is GA s fund to anyone?? not the mcann supporters and i bet this gets deleted
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The first instance judge cannot refuse to send his appeal to the Tribunal da Relação, so his appeal will be considered at a higher level. So why this question? Why haven't you, Ferryman, been able to assimilate this information yet?
Do you know on which day Gonc filed his appeal?
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No more than you.
P.S. As a subtle reminder, when people such as ferryman claim to look at information fairly, it it has to be taken in the light of their stance in the case.
So how do people such as yourself ''look at information''? How is your stance different? Surely you are not saying you view information from a neutral POV?
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The donations will go to Charity as SrAmaral said,.... no it won't go to the madeliene fund... all quiet about that, maybe that should be bumped...
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The donations will go to Charity as SrAmaral said,.... no it won't go to the madeliene fund... all quiet about that, maybe that should be bumped...
Amaral's name is not on the Fund documents. Ultimately he can have no legal say where any money goes, although I doubt it will find its way to the McCanns.
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So what is this nonsense about Donations being Refunded? I am severely shocked if this is true.
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So what is this nonsense about Donations being Refunded? I am severely shocked if this is true.
I would be highly delighted if it were true.
Ms. Leanne Baulch (I'm sure, a young woman of the highest integrity) would not want to take money (even if not to personal advantage) under false pretences, which would be the case were Amaral to be denied leave to appeal.
I suppose she could canvass the opinions of donors on the money being used in a different way, such as paying it direct to Amaral.
But I'm sure she would leave open the option of donations being refunded if that's what donors want.
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I would be highly delighted if it were true.
Ms. Leanne Baulch (I'm sure, a young woman of the highest integrity) would not want to take money (even if not to personal advantage) under false pretences, which would be the case were Amaral to be denied leave to appeal.
I suppose she could canvass the opinions of donors on the money being used in a different way, such as paying it direct to Amaral.
But I'm sure she would leave open the option of donations being refunded if that's what donors want.
I believe the donations are paid into the organiser's bank account and Go Fund Me do not "do" refunds ... so it could end up a rather complicated business particularly where a small amount is involved.
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I believe the donations are paid into the organiser's bank account and Go Fund Me do not "do" refunds ... so it could end up a rather complicated business particularly where a small amount is involved.
I didn't realise that.
Then it's a good job Ms Baulch is a young woman of the highest integrity.
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I didn't realise that.
Then it's a good job Ms Baulch is a young woman of the highest integrity.
If you sign up for GoFundMe from the UK, Australia or Europe, a Stripe account will automatically be created for you under the same email address. Stripe is a payment processor that securely processes your donations and withdrawals.
After your first donation is received, Stripe will send you an email to activate your account. Activating requires you to enter your personal information and add your bank account.
Once your account is activated, Stripe will send you your donations on a rolling 7-day basis. For example, any donations you receive on a Monday would appear in your bank account the following Monday.
http://support.gofundme.com/hc/en-us/articles/204490638-Who-is-Stripe-
Obviously Stripe receive payment for this service ... whether this includes or is extra to Go Fund Me's fee ... I have no idea, but GFM does have special rates for charities.
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I believe the donations are paid into the organiser's bank account and Go Fund Me do not "do" refunds ... so it could end up a rather complicated business particularly where a small amount is involved.
Neither does Leanne Baulch according to this
About the Organizer
Leanne Baulch
309 Facebook Friends | Verify Friendship
This person will receive your donation directly.
All payments are final and cannot be refunded.
Only give to people you know and trust.
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Neither does Leanne Baulch according to this
About the Organizer
Leanne Baulch
309 Facebook Friends | Verify Friendship
This person will receive your donation directly.
All payments are final and cannot be refunded.
Only give to people you know and trust.
Ooooop!
If Amaral is denied leave to appeal, I guess it all goes direct to him, then ....
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Does that cause you a problem? or are you just after having a stir? @)(++(*
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Neither does Leanne Baulch according to this
About the Organizer
Leanne Baulch
309 Facebook Friends | Verify Friendship
This person will receive your donation directly.
All payments are final and cannot be refunded.
Only give to people you know and trust.
We did this about a week ago on another thread.
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We did this about a week ago on another thread.
Oh, I thought this was the "What happens to the donations if an appeal is refused?" thread?
So NO REFUNDS!
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So what is this nonsense about Donations being Refunded? I am severely shocked if this is true.
It would seem that "funds being refunded" is, indeed, nonsense ....
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Does that cause you a problem? or are you just after having a stir? @)(++(*
I'm sure Amaral will be delighted.
Or maybe consoled ....
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We did this about a week ago on another thread.
If payments cannot be refunded, why was money coming out of the account?
Have a look at PF/Book Pond Appreciation Society.
Also there is an update from LB on Twitter about an hour ago with a copy email regarding the fund.
GlitterBrain on Twitter has just posted an update & copy response direct from GoFundMe - NO REFUNDS.
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All this faux angst - as if anyone cares @)(++(*
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If payments cannot be refunded, why was money coming out of the account?
Have a look at PF/Book Pond Appreciation Society.
Also there is an update from LB on Twitter about an hour ago with a copy email regarding the fund.
GlitterBrain on Twitter has just posted an update & copy response direct from GoFundMe - NO REFUNDS.
Money was coming out of the account?
Was an indication given as to the purpose or the reason?
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All this faux angst - as if anyone cares @)(++(*
Justice for Madeleine works in mysterious ways then, if no-one cares someone could be scamming in her name.
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All this faux angst - as if anyone cares @)(++(*
I don't know whether you have contributed to the fund (and it's none of my business!)
But if you had, would you not want to know how the money you had contributed might be used?
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Oh, I thought this was the "What happens to the donations if an appeal is refused?" thread?
So NO REFUNDS!
So, so what?
People donate to a fund in similar veins. I have never heard of people giving to any cause, charity, what have you, asking for a REFUND. The only potentiality (albeit remote and unlikely) of anyone asking for a refund comes from donators to the Find Madeleine Fund whose monies were NOT all spent on Finding Madeleine.
What a much ado about nothing!
@)(++(*
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All this faux angst - as if anyone cares @)(++(*
The organiser may care.
Don't know how the tax situation may work here ... but in the USA things can be quite hairy.
Kate said, "My friend's mother was diagnosed with cancer and died within a few short months. As the end was nearing I started a GoFundMe page for my friend (age 24) who was to become the sole guardian of her TRIPLET siblings. Due to an amazing community effort, $36,000 was raised. All said it was a miracle...except when the 1099k came in my name and I was told to CLAIM the $36,000 as INCOME. I cannot do this!
I did not get one cent of this money and my student loans are income based, so if the family even (very kindly) paid the taxes on the money, my student loan payments would increase by $500 a month, something I just can't afford.
We are trying to transfer the account to her name but I am at a loss as what to do. I feel that she shouldn't have to pay taxes on this either, especially when fees were taken out and they netted $33,000, not $36,000. What do we do?"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-rhode/crowdfunding-to-help-a-sick-friend-can-lead-to-a-big-tax-bill-for-you_b_6615616.html
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I don't know whether you have contributed to the fund (and it's none of my business!)
But if you had, would you not want to know how the money you had contributed might be used?
If I had donated to either fund, which I haven't, I would cease to have any interest in what subsequently happened to my donation. After all, its only money.
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Money was coming out of the account?
Was an indication given as to the purpose or the reason?
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Very interestng comment at 31 minutes, thanks
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If I had donated to either fund, which I haven't, I would cease to have any interest in what subsequently happened to my donation. After all, its only money.
Well somebody has had their £50 donation back, according to Leanne, and the money taken from her account
https://mobile.twitter.com/JusticeForMM/status/609090009774325760/photo/1
As you say, who donates and then wants it back?
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So, so what?
People donate to a fund in similar veins. I have never heard of people giving to any cause, charity, what have you, asking for a REFUND. The only potentiality (albeit remote and unlikely) of anyone asking for a refund comes from donators to the Find Madeleine Fund whose monies were NOT all spent on Finding Madeleine.
What a much ado about nothing!
@)(++(*
What about all the poor pensioners and little children who have given their pensions and pocket money to the Gonc Fund? Don't they have a right to know that it is being spent to protect Amaral's pot of money from those wicked McCanns?
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What about all the poor pensioners and little children who have given their pensions and pocket money to the Gonc Fund? Don't they have a right to know that it is being spent to protect Amaral's pot of money from those wicked McCanns?
No. Once its gone, its gone. End of.
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Well somebody has had their £50 donation back, according to Leanne, and the money taken from her account
https://mobile.twitter.com/JusticeForMM/status/609090009774325760/photo/1
As you say, who donates and then wants it back?
Mccann trolls, do keep up
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No. Once its gone, its gone. End of.
And yet this argument has been used time and again against the Madeleine Fund. Go figure...
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Mccann trolls, do keep up
*&*%£
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And yet this argument has been used time and again against the Madeleine Fund. Go figure...
Not by me.
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If I had donated to either fund, which I haven't, I would cease to have any interest in what subsequently happened to my donation. After all, its only money.
Interesting philosophy.
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Oh, I thought this was the "What happens to the donations if an appeal is refused?" thread?
So NO REFUNDS!
Quite common place for begging bowls. Once you have chucked your money in you will not get it back or have any control whatever regarding what it is spent on whether the begging bowl be Oxfam, WWF or Amaral's Beer and Baccy Fund.
Do you have a problem with the principle or just with Amaral's Beer and Baccy Fund?
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Stay on Topic Please ...If members continue to post off topic, their posts will be deleted along with insulting posts, without further warning.