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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Alfred R Jones on June 10, 2015, 09:24:41 AM
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The fund-raising effort for Amaral has highlighted what appears to be an almost cult-like devotion to the man who has been found legally to have caused damage to the parents of a missing child. There are numerous heartfelt messages from his fanclub to be found on the GoFundMe page, and a hardcore of devotees who have pledged more than one (in some cases weekly) devotional contributions (there is a word for these but it escapes me at the moment)*. Is this the start of a cult?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/v/t1.0-9/994699_240269386139733_874275540_n.jpg?oh=4e0144a471475d0c5f53e48f8e099968&oe=55BA4911&__gda__=1438262111_157469b2fd781bbccd5eb694f3e4a3a3)
* tithe was the word I was thinking of :-)
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The fund-raising effort for Amaral has highlighted what appears to be an almost cult-like devotion to the man who has been found legally to have caused damage to the parents of a missing child. There are numerous heartfelt messages from his fanclub to be found on the GoFundMe page, and a hardcore of devotees who have pledged more than one (in some cases weekly) devotional contributions (there is a word for these but it escapes me at the moment)*. Is this the start of a cult?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/v/t1.0-9/994699_240269386139733_874275540_n.jpg?oh=4e0144a471475d0c5f53e48f8e099968&oe=55BA4911&__gda__=1438262111_157469b2fd781bbccd5eb694f3e4a3a3)
* tithe was the word I was thinking of :-)
One is spoilt for choice when it comes to examples of how people perceive a person they really know very little about. Can anyone give me any reason anyone supposes he deserves to receive adulation?
linda lee @lindaweryhur Aug 5
@PORTUGALONLINE @siamesey @B_balou @Jabarn That brave man needs the tables to turn and to recieve adulation!
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The picture I posted above is not a piss-take btw, this was taken from a "sceptic" site which reveres St Goncalo as a man of truth, honour and integrity, when his several brushes with the law would seem to indicate the reverse is true.
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One or two people appear to donate to his defence fund out of a sense of Justice (with a capital "J") over the civil case. Understandably, friends and family will no doubt also support him.
What I find curious is the amount of people who support him in the name of "truth and justice for Maddie", when virtually nothing that he has spouted over the years stands up to objective scrutiny.
Even if some of these supporters are socks, there may well be innocent newbies (or false newbies), recruited by people who claim to have read the files and really should know better.
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If St Goncalo is the father of this cult, are Eddie & Keela the Son and the Holy Ghost? Just a thought...
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One or two people appear to donate to his defence fund out of a sense of Justice (with a capital "J") over the civil case. Understandably, friends and family will no doubt also support him.
What I find curious is the amount of people who support him in the name of "truth and justice for Maddie", when virtually nothing that he has spouted over the years stands up to objective scrutiny.
Even if some of these supporters are socks, there may well be innocent newbies (or false newbies), recruited by people who claim to have read the files and really should know better.
Yes, what is surprising are the number of "sceptics" who, on the one hand think the man is the best brain the PJ ever had to offer, whilst simultaneously claiming that his best work - "The Book" - is not really all that and who refuse to attempt to defend his "thesis". &%+((£
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Is this the start of a cult?
I would say that is doubtful.
Cult: noun; definitions:
A system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object:
A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members:
The proposition seems to fall at both hurdles, but it could be a Movement; similar to The Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacree Movement in three part harmony and all you gotta do to join is to sing it the next time it comes around on the guitar. (Arlo Guthrie).
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Is this the start of a cult?
I would say that is doubtful.
Cult: noun; definitions:
A system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object:
A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members:
The proposition seems to fall at both hurdles, but it could be a Movement; similar to The Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacree Movement in three part harmony and all you gotta do to join is to sing it the next time it comes around on the guitar. (Arlo Guthrie).
Actually, I chose the word Cult specifically for its religious connotations, and the picture I posted reinforces my contention that this veneration has taken on a religious dimension for some.
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Maree Edwards
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Snr AmaraI I continue to support you and believe in you. May Madelieine and God go with you always. Don't give up. Please.
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Is this the start of a cult?
I would say that is doubtful.
Cult: noun; definitions:
A system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object:
A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members:
The proposition seems to fall at both hurdles, but it could be a Movement; similar to The Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacree Movement in three part harmony and all you gotta do to join is to sing it the next time it comes around on the guitar. (Arlo Guthrie).
I expect that we could go into the semantics of that... but have a read:
http://www.hgi.org.uk/archive/cults2.htm#.VXgW8aY98p8
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Actually, I chose the word Cult specifically for its religious connotations, and the picture I posted reinforces my contention that this veneration has taken on a religious dimension for some.
Well there's nowt as queer as folk. Now if all queer folk support Sr Amaral or if all of Sr Amaral's supporters are queer then what do you make of those who spend an inordinate amount time holding him up to ridicule? Are they a cult or a movement too?
Deal me out of this I'm off to join the Moonies.
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One is spoilt for choice when it comes to examples of how people perceive a person they really know very little about. Can anyone give me any reason anyone supposes [snip] deserves to receive adulation?
You are right there.
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Is this the start of a cult?
I would say that is doubtful.
Cult: noun; definitions:
A system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object:
A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members:
The proposition seems to fall at both hurdles, but it could be a Movement; similar to The Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacree Movement in three part harmony and all you gotta do to join is to sing it the next time it comes around on the guitar. (Arlo Guthrie).
You should really try to keep up to speed with some of the quasi religious sentiments being expressed in relation to Mr Amaral. There is no doubt there are those who treat him with reverence and are not backwards in coming forward in proclaiming it.
Ann-Kristine Westwood
Dear Dr.Amaral, I just went on my 1st Pilgrimage to see The Shroud of Turin and I have been pondering the prayer that is read constantly before it.
This is a part of it. 'In the wounds of your battered body we meditate on the wounds caused by all sins; Forgive us Lord. In the silence of your batteredface we recognise the suffering face of every man, Help us Lord'.
Here ismy small penance for the anger I have felt over this little child's fate.
And yours, and Brenda's.
I will now try to conduct myself with more dignity in my quest for Justice.
With love.
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Well there's nowt as queer as folk. Now if all queer folk support Sr Amaral or if all of Sr Amaral's supporters are queer then what do you make of those who spend an inordinate amount time holding him up to ridicule? Are they a cult or a movement too?
Deal me out of this I'm off to join the Moonies.
No, there is no quasi-religious fervour on display from the mockers, that I am aware of anyway. Enjoy your time with the Moonies.
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I expect that we could go into the semantics of that... but have a read:
http://www.hgi.org.uk/archive/cults2.htm#.VXgW8aY98p8
Interesting article, thanks for posting.
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The fund-raising effort for Amaral has highlighted what appears to be an almost cult-like devotion to the man who has been found legally to have caused damage to the parents of a missing child. There are numerous heartfelt messages from his fanclub to be found on the GoFundMe page, and a hardcore of devotees who have pledged more than one (in some cases weekly) devotional contributions (there is a word for these but it escapes me at the moment)*. Is this the start of a cult?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/v/t1.0-9/994699_240269386139733_874275540_n.jpg?oh=4e0144a471475d0c5f53e48f8e099968&oe=55BA4911&__gda__=1438262111_157469b2fd781bbccd5eb694f3e4a3a3)
* tithe was the word I was thinking of :-)
Times are getting desperate, but entirely predictable.
The only observable cult in this case, is the 'people' who go out of their way in their support of the mccanns.
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Interesting article, thanks for posting.
I think it sums up precisely the behaviour and utterances of very many of the seekers after truth. Thanks Carana.
http://www.hgi.org.uk/archive/cults2.htm#.VXgW8aY98p8
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Interesting article, thanks for posting.
Also worth a read: on gang culture.
http://stmary.edu/StMary/files/66/6673f2a3-1a4c-42a8-9b75-171c62aa50ad.pdf
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Also worth a read: on gang culture.
http://stmary.edu/StMary/files/66/6673f2a3-1a4c-42a8-9b75-171c62aa50ad.pdf
What has gang culture got to do with anyone who supports Amaral and/or who has donated to his legal fund ?
This thread has ALL the hallmarks of something no better than the continuing hate campaign against him.
The question is, why do some need to do this ?
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Real cult status is when you're driving on a pilgrimage and on the way get phone calls from a top political leader.
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What has gang culture got to do with anyone who supports Amaral and/or who has donated to his legal fund ?
This thread has ALL the hallmarks of something no better than the continuing hate campaign against him.
The question is, why do some need to do this ?
I think the subject stretches much further than the comments made accompanying donations to his Fund. It encompasses the actions and sayings of his followers on blogs, social media and in the comments section of newspapers.
It defies logic that you assume mention of the campaigns against Madeleine McCann's family illustrates a "continuing hate campaign against" Mr Amaral.
That is a rather topsy-turvy assertion you have made and the question is ... why are you blind to that?
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Cult status is flying on a pilgrimage without using an airline.
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What has gang culture got to do with anyone who supports Amaral and/or who has donated to his legal fund ?
This thread has ALL the hallmarks of something no better than the continuing hate campaign against him.
The question is, why do some need to do this ?
Exactly, Stephen. Why do people have to attack others with constant criticism about their lifestyle and child care routine, when those being criticised have no criminal record. It works both ways.
And for the constant criticism and name calling of "McCann supporters" who are in fact also a gang.
Take your pick.......
gang [gang]
n (plural gangs)
1. group of trouble-making young people: a group of young people who spend time together for social reasons and may engage in delinquent behaviour
2. group of criminals: a group of people who work together for some criminal or [ censored word]ocial purpose
3. people who enjoy each other's company: a group of people with similar interests who like to spend time together
4. group of workers: a group of people working together, especially a group of labourers
5. set of tools: a set of tools or devices arranged to be used or operated together
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I think the subject stretches much further than the comments made accompanying donations to his Fund. It encompasses the actions and sayings of his followers on blogs, social media and in the comments section of newspapers.
It defies logic that you assume mention of the campaigns against Madeleine McCann's family illustrates a "continuing hate campaign against" Mr Amaral.
That is a rather topsy-turvy assertion you have made and the question is ... why are you blind to that?
I'm not blind to anything.
The tial of this thread says everything about certain mccann supporters.
Just remember I'm perfectly well aware of what some of the mccann cult supporters have done and are still continuing to do.
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I'm not blind to anything.
The tial of this thread says everything about certain mccann supporters.
Just remember I'm perfectly well aware of what some of the mccann cult supporters have done and are still continuing to do.
I think the difficulty you may be having is that this forum doesn't just pay lip service to Freedom of Speech ... it exercises it and allows all shades of opinion to be expressed.
There are those who are of the opinion that the adulation expressed by some of Mr Amaral's supporters amounts to awarding him cult status; there are those who disagree ~ I think you probably number among the latter. If so I don't think you are making much of a case for rebutting the assertion.
That may very well be because you have less material to work with than the myriad of self publicists who tend to make the case for those with whom you disagree.
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No, there is no quasi-religious fervour on display from the mockers, that I am aware of anyway. Enjoy your time with the Moonies.
You failed to address the issue of it being a movement No comment on that then ?
I will probably have fun with the Moonies they are nearly as risible as those who hold up Sr Amaral as deity and those who think that Sr Amaral is some kind of devil incarnate.
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Strange. &%+((£ I am happy with my stance on this case. I feel no need to attempt to strengthen my position by attacking or ridiculing others. In my opinion those who do so are attempting to bolster their own opinions by discrediting other's views.
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I think the difficulty you may be having is that this forum doesn't just pay lip service to Freedom of Speech ... it exercises it and allows all shades of opinion to be expressed.
There are those who are of the opinion that the adulation expressed by some of Mr Amaral's supporters amounts to awarding him cult status; there are those who disagree ~ I think you probably number among the latter. If so I don't think you are making much of a case for rebutting the assertion.
That may very well be because you have less material to work with than the myriad of self publicists who tend to make the case for those with whom you disagree.
I'm afraid weak sarcasm won't get you very far.
I am aware of Amaral has made mistakes.
Yet from the devoted mccann supporter, there is nothing but blind devotion offered to parents who are UNDENIABLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS CASE.
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You failed to address the issue of it being a movement No comment on that then ?
I will probably have fun with the Moonies they are nearly as risible as those who hold up Sr Amaral as deity and those who think that Sr Amaral is some kind of devil incarnate.
Not sure about devil incarnate.
Into self-promotion and self-agrandisement at the expense at the hard (and often honest!) work of others.
In fairness, he's not alone in that respect ....
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Not sure about devil incarnate.
Into self-promotion and self-agrandisement at the expense at the hard (and often honest!) work of others.
In fairness, he's not alone in that respect ....
'Into self-promotion and self-agrandisement at the expense at the hard (and often honest!) work of others.'
Indeed. Quite applicable to the 'M' word.
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Strange. &%+((£ I am happy with my stance on this case. I feel no need to attempt to strengthen my position by attacking or ridiculing others. In my opinion those who do so are attempting to bolster their own opinions by discrediting other's views.
I'm happy you're happy, but you'd have to be burying your head in the sand to fail to see the cult developing around St Goncalo of Amaral. Be assured, I don't mean that ALL sceptics revere him, but that a noticeable, possibly increasing number do appear to think that he is some sort of saviour.
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You failed to address the issue of it being a movement No comment on that then ?
I will probably have fun with the Moonies they are nearly as risible as those who hold up Sr Amaral as deity and those who think that Sr Amaral is some kind of devil incarnate.
I did address your post in which you decreed this phenomenon a "movement" rather than a cult. You must have a short memory. This is what I said:
Actually, I chose the word Cult specifically for its religious connotations, and the picture I posted reinforces my contention that this veneration has taken on a religious dimension for some.
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I'm happy you're happy, but you'd have to be burying your head in the sand to fail to see the cult developing around St Goncalo of Amaral. Be assured, I don't mean that ALL sceptics revere him, but that a noticeable, possibly increasing number do appear to think that he is some sort of saviour.
But when did he go to Fatima? When did he go to the Vatican? Is the parable of the branching tunnel about him?
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But when did he go to Fatima? When did he go to the Vatican?
You don't really seem to understand the thrust of this thread. We're not talking about what Gonc did or did not do, we're talking about the people who are now treating him as some sort of saviour, or at the very least as a knight in shining armour, with an ace up one sleeve, on a divine mission and poised to lance the McCann dragon with this rapier-sharp ace. In short this is about the cult-like mentality of Gonc's supporters, as evidenced on his GoFundMe page and in numerous other places on the web. Do you celebrate Goncalo Amaral Day on the 2nd of October by any chance? Bet your bottom dollar his followers will be bequeathing yet more devotional cash to his fund on that holy day.
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I'm happy you're happy, but you'd have to be burying your head in the sand to fail to see the cult developing around St Goncalo of Amaral. Be assured, I don't mean that ALL sceptics revere him, but that a noticeable, possibly increasing number do appear to think that he is some sort of saviour.
It is not a cult. They are probably disgusted at the way he has been treated in an unsolved case by suspects in it.
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But when did he go to Fatima? When did he go to the Vatican? Is the parable of the branching tunnel about him?
He has a picture from the Sistine Chapel on his F/Book page. Surely that must be proof he went there.
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It is not a cult. They are probably disgusted at the way he has been treated in an unsolved case by suspects in it.
Q. Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?
Kate. 'Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.'
most people support amaral because they believe the lies he has told...
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It is not a cult. They are probably disgusted at the way he has been treated in an unsolved case by suspects in it.
LOL. Disgusted by the way the suspects treated him? Bless his cottons, and damn those beastly suspects for not playing along with the nice policeman's game.
There are numerous people now paying tithes into the Amaral Fund on a regular basis. One person describes this act as "penance". Another says "I believe in you Goncalo", yet another photoshops a picture of Amaral with Jesus-like rays of light coming out of his head. We have Tony Bennett enjoining us to celebrate Goncalo Amaral day. And you tell me this behaviour is not in any way cult like?
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Clearly they are just doing it to wind you up 8(0(*
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It is not a cult. They are probably disgusted at the way he has been treated in an unsolved case by suspects in it.
Mr Amaral is certainly disgusted ... he went to the lengths of writing two books telling us just how much ... and who exactly had conspired against him.
We all know people like that who think the world owes them a living and everyone is to blame but them.
Repeatedly his supporters quote the mantra "only doing his job". Were that so he would be basking in the glow of a job well done with the prosecution of the actual perpetrator of the crime against Madeleine McCann.
Instead the petty pillorying of her parents as 'payback' for interrupting his career by their refusal to confess to something they hadn't done just to suit his theory.
Not all his fault ... he was just lamentably out of his depth.
There is no doubt he has built what amounts to a cult following ... the mystery is ... based on what rationale? Then that is the thing about cults, I suppose.
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As Amaral arrived at a Lisbon court this week for the cause celebre case that has turned him into an unlikely hero, he clearly revelled in his new-found popularity.
Mobbed by cheering, flag and banner-waving supporters (mainly women of a certain age), he smiled and signed autographs before a barrage of cameras.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243596/Shes-terrifyingly-hes-boiling-rage-So-HAVE-McCanns-trial.html#ixzz3cfpr7erN
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You don't really seem to understand the thrust of this thread. We're not talking about what Gonc did or did not do, we're talking about the people who are now treating him as some sort of saviour, or at the very least as a knight in shining armour, with an ace up one sleeve, on a divine mission and poised to lance the McCann dragon with this rapier-sharp ace. In short this is about the cult-like mentality of Gonc's supporters, as evidenced on his GoFundMe page and in numerous other places on the web. Do you celebrate Goncalo Amaral Day on the 2nd of October by any chance? Bet your bottom dollar his followers will be bequeathing yet more devotional cash to his fund on that holy day.
If he was up for local election to be a Knight of King Arthur wouldn't someone gallop over to Camelot with advisors as soon as they heard about it?. I disagree with large parts of his theory but am united with "MPS" in being appalled by the way an SIO was treated.
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I did address your post in which you decreed this phenomenon a "movement" rather than a cult. You must have a short memory. This is what I said:
Actually, I chose the word Cult specifically for its religious connotations, and the picture I posted reinforces my contention that this veneration has taken on a religious dimension for some.
You did not address the question about whether those who hold Sr Amaral up to ridicule are a cult or movement. You should know being one of them and all.
As for his supporters at large thinking he is a deity his following is a cult etc. Some dick head puts up a pic of him with a halo round his head means nothing other than just that. I am surprised you want to try to turn it into something else. Or maybe not surprised as the case may be.
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If he was up for local election to be a Knight of King Arthur wouldn't someone gallop over to Camelot with advisors as soon as they heard about it?. I disagree with large parts of his theory but am united with "MPS" in being appalled by the way an SIO was treated.
You're appalled by how the SIO was treated by whom?
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You're appalled by how the SIO was treated by whom?
One example: those elements much higher up in the PJ etc who removed him from the case on Oct 2nd 2007, just as he was about to act on the DCCB report and the Sept Irish statement. The feeble reason given was supposedly that he had dared to criticise, in a phonecall with a journalist, one element of the Brit presence.
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You did not address the question about whether those who hold Sr Amaral up to ridicule are a cult or movement. You should know being one of them and all.
As for his supporters at large thinking he is a deity his following is a cult etc. Some dick head puts up a pic of him with a halo round his head means nothing other than just that. I am surprised you want to try to turn it into something else. Or maybe not surprised as the case may be.
You need to go to Specsavers mate. 8(>((
In reply to your question, from an earlier post:
No, there is no quasi-religious fervour on display from the mockers, that I am aware of anyway. Enjoy your time with the Moonies.
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I'm getting the distinct impression that certain members here can see nothing cult-like whatsoever in the way that Goncalo is championed and promoted by his supporters. Nothing to see here then, move along. 8(*(
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He has a picture from the Sistine Chapel on his F/Book page. Surely that must be proof he went there.
Is there a photo of the Pope's hand on his? No.
Did he pay his own airfare? Yes
Is there a parable of a butterfly about him? No
Not very cult-like is it?
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This thread is not specifically Goncalo's cult-like status (or otherwise) on this forum, but generally among his supporters, wherever they may be. Like for example the funny-hatted woman with the flowers who sometimes hoves into view outside the courtroom whenever St Gonc is there, what does she do with the flowers I wonder? Scatter them in his path? It'll be palm fronds next, I tells ya!
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Is there a photo of the Pope's hand on his? No.
Did he pay his own airfare? Yes
Is there a parable of a butterfly about him? No
Not very cult-like is it?
You're still not getting it are you? Never mind.
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I'm getting the distinct impression that certain members here can see nothing cult-like whatsoever in the way that Goncalo is championed and promoted by his supporters. Nothing to see here then, move along. 8(*(
Well......perhaps you`d better try harder with your "Gonc" posts to convince them, then. 8(0(*
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there is always a tendency amongst cults to deny their existence...to pretend they are perfectly normal
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Well Gonc certainly has a lot of supporters. Only a small minority act in a cult like way - much the same as a hardcore base of McCann supporters. I for one am glad is he is getting some cash to help mount an appeal. This whole case from a wider perspective is far from over and regardless of what anyone says is still wide open by all accounts. Unless anyone has any insider knowledge that is - please share! Then again I keep hearing whisperings that something might be about to happen - let's see, but my guess is you will all still be hear thrashing this out for the next 6 months at least. Maybe Gonc did it?
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Well......perhaps you`d better try harder with your "Gonc" posts to convince them, then. 8(0(*
Why so defensive on behalf of those who are deifying Gonc, anyway? Surely you can't deny they exist? In the same way that there are those on "my" side of the argument who seem to think Madeleine is the second-coming, I acknowledge that they exist (and find their thinking completely doolally), however their number is tiny by comparison to the Gonc Barmy Army, which seems to be gaining some momentum, for eg: the current GoFundMe page and some of the comments therein.
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there is always a tendency amongst cults to deny their existence...to pretend they are perfectly normal
...........like the "perfectly normal cult" of the obsessed trawlers through comments and posts ?
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Why so defensive on behalf of those who are deifying Gonc, anyway? Surely you can't deny they exist? In the same way that there are those on "my" side of the argument who seem to think Madeleine is the second-coming, I acknowledge that they exist (and find their thinking completely doolally), however their number is tiny by comparison to the Gonc Barmy Army, which seems to be gaining some momentum, for eg: the current GoFundMe page and some of the comments therein.
Why you seem to feel threatened enough to obsess about it is more to the point.
I thought that it was believed to be a small hard core of repeat/regular donors anyway, wasn`t it?
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This is a real "As God Is My Witness" speech - it's only a part of a much longer rant from a £5 donor and a comment which received the thumbs up from 55 fellow Gonc fans and donors....
It seems that WE, the people, are left to do the decent thing and help this beleaguered man, caught between an astounding miscarriage of justice in Portugal and disgusting vilification in the UK media. And by God, by the time we are finished we will ensure that this brave man, Goncalo, is the last man standing. I am giving as I can manage, being a pensioner.So, come on millionaires, which one of you has a conscience? Which one of YOU has a disturbing thought about what is happening to our country? Which one of YOU is content to stand idly by and bequeath your children and your grandchildren a veritable Dystopia? Because, all the money in the world will not protect them from the sort of people involved in Britain’s very own Dreyfus Affair. And even were justice to be belatedly served in this case it will remain an indelible stain on our nation’s history.
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You need to go to Specsavers mate. 8(>((
In reply to your question, from an earlier post:
I read that and feeble attempts at put downs not withstanding you failed to address the whole question.
You only need look at your creation here to realise .................. well fill in as you like.
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Why you seem to feel threatened enough to obsess about it is more to the point.
I thought that it was believed to be a small hard core of repeat/regular donors anyway, wasn`t it?
It is a small cult, but a fascinating one nonetheless. I am interested in cults and cultish behaviour. I am also interested in conspiracy theorists. I don't feel threatened by cultists or conspiracy theorists though I do believe that certain people involved in this case would have good reason to be concerned about them.
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I'm getting the distinct impression that certain members here can see nothing cult-like whatsoever in the way that Goncalo is championed and promoted by his supporters. Nothing to see here then, move along. 8(*(
How many supporters does he have?
How many display cult like tendencies?
Two numbers will do rather than some long spiel.
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I read that and feeble attempts at put downs not withstanding you failed to address the whole question.
You only need look at your creation here to realise .................. well fill in as you like.
What is this question of yours that you feel I have not fully answered? Please feel free to ask it again and I will endeavour to answer it with the due gravitas you clearly feel it deserves.
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How many supporters does he have?
How many display cult like tendencies?
Two numbers will do rather than some long spiel.
1476 and 363.
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What is this question of yours that you feel I have not fully answered? Please feel free to ask it again and I will endeavour to answer it with the due gravitas you clearly feel it deserves.
Don't bother ; you have answered it indirectly 8(0(*
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Well Gonc certainly has a lot of supporters. Only a small minority act in a cult like way - much the same as a hardcore base of McCann supporters. I for one am glad is he is getting some cash to help mount an appeal. This whole case from a wider perspective is far from over and regardless of what anyone says is still wide open by all accounts. Unless anyone has any insider knowledge that is - please share! Then again I keep hearing whisperings that something might be about to happen - let's see, but my guess is you will all still be hear thrashing this out for the next 6 months at least. Maybe Gonc did it?
If the appeal (mention of which seems to have mysteriously disappeared) is allowed to proceed, I think six months may be a conservative estimate.
Please do not be fooled that Mr Amaral has a host of followers only a few of whom are vociferous in their support; the number contributing to his 'cause' is not remarkable particularly when one considers the repeat donations ... and bears no comparison the campaign raising funds to take legal action against Alistair Carmichael.
Now anyone wishing to see a level legal playing field ... may wish to start up an appeal to do so.
The former Secretary of State for Scotland submitted his defence as campaigners taking him to court reached their fundraising target of £60,000.
Nearly 3,900 people have contributed to the court fund since the effort was set up just over a fortnight ago.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/bid-to-unseat-memo-gate-mp-alistair-carmichael-tops-60000.1433863807
The cult status achieved by a cop with a criminal conviction associated with a pretty heinous crime as the harbinger of Justice and Truth ... is quite an achievement.
So until one can understand how that situation came about ... the rest of it will remain a mystery. Then 'mystery' is the sum and substance of it all anyway.
B Harrison
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake for theirs is the kingdom of heaven (Matt 5:10) God bless Amaral
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1476 and 363.
So by your numbers a shade under 25% of a mere bagatelle of supporters display cult like tendencies.
That is hardly worth starting a thread over on such a lovely sunny day; unless one is totally obsessed of course.
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It is a small cult, but a fascinating one nonetheless. I am interested in cults and cultish behaviour. I am also interested in conspiracy theorists. I don't feel threatened by cultists or conspiracy theorists though I do believe that certain people involved in this case would have good reason to be concerned about them.
Do you accept though, that had his fund received no support at all and therefore no such "cult" allegations , you and others would have been lining up to ...........err... "comment"....... on that situation with exactly the same enthusiasm ?
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Do you accept though, that had his fund received no support at all and therefore no such "cult" allegations , you and others would have been lining up to ...........err... "comment"....... on that situation with exactly the same enthusiasm ?
Yes, so? What's that got to do with the Cult Of Amaral?
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If the appeal (mention of which seems to have mysteriously disappeared) is allowed to proceed, I think six months may be a conservative estimate.
Please do not be fooled that Mr Amaral has a host of followers only a few of whom are vociferous in their support; the number contributing to his 'cause' is not remarkable particularly when one considers the repeat donations ... and bears no comparison the campaign raising funds to take legal action against Alistair Carmichael.
Now anyone wishing to see a level legal playing field ... may wish to start up an appeal to do so.
The former Secretary of State for Scotland submitted his defence as campaigners taking him to court reached their fundraising target of £60,000.
Nearly 3,900 people have contributed to the court fund since the effort was set up just over a fortnight ago.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/bid-to-unseat-memo-gate-mp-alistair-carmichael-tops-60000.1433863807
The cult status achieved by a cop with a criminal conviction associated with a pretty heinous crime as the harbinger of Justice and Truth ... is quite an achievement.
So until one can understand how that situation came about ... the rest of it will remain a mystery. Then 'mystery' is the sum and substance of it all anyway.
B Harrison
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake for theirs is the kingdom of heaven (Matt 5:10) God bless Amaral
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Haha that last quote is pretty funny 8((()*/
I support Amaral in this case as both he and the McCanns have had the advantage of legal funding. It's good that some kind of balance is being struck. Yeah no doubt some will repeat donate many times to feed their obsession, but it is unsurprising to me that he has a number of followers, sympathisers etc - guy had a bestseller in Portugal. To add, yeah sure, his history is a red flag.
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Yes, so? What's that got to do with the Cult Of Amaral?
What cult ?
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Haha that last quote is pretty funny 8((()*/
I support Amaral in this case as both he and the McCanns have had the advantage of legal funding. It's good that some kind of balance is being struck. Yeah no doubt some will repeat donate many times to feed their obsession, but it is unsurprising to me that he has a number of followers, sympathisers etc - guy had a bestseller in Portugal. To add, yeah sure, his history is a red flag.
I've no objection to Amaral's funding -- for precisely the reason that it does ensure equality of arms.
But if Amaral gets flattened, I'll be delighted -- all the more so because he will have no ground to grumble about inequality of arms ...
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Yes, so? What's that got to do with the Cult Of Amaral?
..............because it is "Amaral" himself, rather than "The Cult Of" which interests people, perhaps?
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Do you accept though, that had his fund received no support at all and therefore no such "cult" allegations , you and others would have been lining up to ...........err... "comment"....... on that situation with exactly the same enthusiasm ?
Not really ... because there would have been nothing to comment about. On the other hand the comments on the on-going fund donations show facets of character the majority don't even know exists.
There is a repetitiveness about it which I find illuminating ... it seems to be a herd thing ... with each member of the herd asserting they reached that particular conclusion entirely on their own. But it only takes one to come up with a bumper wheeze ... immediately adopted by very malleable people and so it goes on.
Perfect cult material.
Just my opinion, of course.
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Not really ... because there would have been nothing to comment about. On the other hand the comments on the on-going fund donations show facets of character the majority don't even know exists.
There is a repetitiveness about it which I find illuminating ... it seems to be a herd thing ... with each member of the herd asserting they reached that particular conclusion entirely on their own. But it only takes one to come up with a bumper wheeze ... immediately adopted by very malleable people and so it goes on.
Perfect cult material.
Just my opinion, of course.
Of course there would ....... if only to gloat about his lack of support.
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Not really ... because there would have been nothing to comment about. On the other hand the comments on the on-going fund donations show facets of character the majority don't even know exists.
There is a repetitiveness about it which I find illuminating ... it seems to be a herd thing ... with each member of the herd asserting they reached that particular conclusion entirely on their own. But it only takes one to come up with a bumper wheeze ... immediately adopted by very malleable people and so it goes on.
Perfect cult material.
Just my opinion, of course.
If it is a herd thing in a great many cases it's got nothing to do with Amaral. People had formed their opinion long before they'd even heard of him.
That is part of the reason why people will be supporting him - they know his book didn't have the impact the writ claimed it did.
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If it is a herd thing in a great many cases it's got nothing to do with Amaral. People had formed their opinion long before they'd even heard of him.
That is part of the reason why people will be supporting him - they know his book didn't have the impact the writ claimed it did.
How did they form an opinion? Extra Sensory Perception?
Or did they read ... and believe ... the press? Explicable that they should be taken in at the time.
Inexplicable though that they continued 'believing' when the rest of the world read the retractions and apologies and understood that the DNA results were not what they had been told.
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What cult ?
Alf's just invented one. According to him it has 300 odd members.
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Alf's just invented one. According to him it has 300 odd members.
posters seem to be taking the defence of this cult very seriously...looks like Alf is getting too close to the truth
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Alf's just invented one. According to him it has 300 odd members.
Which is more than David Koresh or Charles Manson had...
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posters seem to be taking the defence of this cult very seriously...looks like Alf is getting too close to the truth
Well it is one of Alf's better creations.
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posters seem to be taking the defence of this cult very seriously...looks like Alf is getting too close to the truth
I think I touched a nerve... @)(++(*
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I think I touched a nerve... @)(++(*
You are overlooking one important point.
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You are overlooking one important point.
Nah.
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Nah.
Oh but you are!
I for one would be here if it was a forum discussing the merits of concrete fence posts and wooden fence posts because I am argumentative. Pick a side, pitch in and the next best thing to playing and winning is playing and losing; not playing at all isn't an option.
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Oh but you are!
I for one would be here if it was a forum discussing the merits of concrete fence posts and wooden fence posts because I am argumentative. Pick a side, pitch in and the next best thing to playing and winning is playing and losing; not playing at all isn't an option.
And there was me thinking you were here for Justice 4 Maddie *&*%£
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Ok, but that's another reason why people will be supporting GA: there was a big award made against him, but nothing against the film producers, TV channel or book publisher.
Can Amaral be blamed for the actions of VC Filmes/VC Multimedia? The judge may have found the above point proved but then didn't make those companies pay anything anyway. Everything fell on Amaral alone, guaranteeing that he would get sympathy.
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Ok, but that's another reason why people will be supporting GA: there was a big award made against him, but nothing against the film producers, TV channel or book publisher.
Can Amaral be blamed for the actions of VC Filmes/VC Multimedia? The judge may have found the above point proved but then didn't make those companies pay anything anyway. Everything fell on Amaral alone, guaranteeing that he would get sympathy.
There is really only one reason why Amaral has such a devoted cult following and that is because he is the McCanns chief tormentor, and therefore in the topsy-turvy land of the "sceptic" that makes him a jolly decent chap.
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There is really only one reason why Amaral has such a devoted cult following and that is because he is the McCanns chief tormentor, and therefore in the topsy-turvy land of the "sceptic" that makes him a jolly decent chap.
Was such a large sum raised for him before the huge sum was awarded against him in the court?
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Oh Lookies here an .'Amaral bashing' thread, how quaint. AND It is being populated by those who don't like bashing people. Oh well let me see...
Ah seems like the fund for Amaral has really got up the team McCanns and their merry band of followers a...
I mean why would anyone bother, they won!!! well oops no they didn't. The documentary still stands-based on the book...wow who da thunk it. So that must mean that the Judge didn't think the book was evil and bad...just not very Team McCANN friendly... oh well never mind.
Should we ask Admin for a hate o meter to gage?
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Was such a large sum raised for him before the huge sum was awarded against him in the court?
No, because his followers had absolutely convinced themselves that Amaral had an ace up his sleeve and was going to make toast of the McCanns, remember those days?
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No, because his followers had absolutely convinced themselves that Amaral had an ace up his sleeve and was going to make toast of the McCanns, remember those days?
Then all those truly believing that would surely have been sending him big sums of cash long ago wouldn't they?
(If it were a cult like 8(0(*)
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Then all those truly believing that would surely have been sending him big sums of cash long ago wouldn't they?
(If it were a cult like 8(0(*)
What for? They believed that he was soon to be reunited with his pot of gold, but they got it wrong. They couldn't bear to see their hero thwarted, hence the collecting of alms to ensure that he has no excuse not to fight the good fight once more.
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What for? They believed that he was soon to be reunited with his pot of gold, but they got it wrong. They couldn't bear to see their hero thwarted, hence the collecting of alms to ensure that he has no excuse not to fight the good fight once more.
But people were donating to PJGA long before the gofundme appeal started.
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What for? They believed that he was soon to be reunited with his pot of gold, but they got it wrong. They couldn't bear to see their hero thwarted, hence the collecting of alms to ensure that he has no excuse not to fight the good fight once more.
What for? To pay his lawyers. People knew for a long time there were people trying to raise funds for him. Funds were obviously needed and people knew it, but nowhere near this much was ever raised before.
Not much of a cult is it?
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And there was me thinking you were here for Justice 4 Maddie *&*%£
I have always been open about why I am here. Some don't believe it, some find it bad form, some don't give a toss.
Define justice for Maddie.
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I have always been open about why I am here. Some don't believe it, some find it bad form, some don't give a toss.
Define justice for Maddie.
I guessed you just wanted to read interesting and entertaining,intellectual musings(my posts)... I am correct eh,eh,eh, nudge ... WINK, WINK, SAY NO MORE! half a butchers, down the road, would like a bit on the side... I say eh, eh, eh Nudge..
so what was your 'other' reason? heehee
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Ok, but that's another reason why people will be supporting GA: there was a big award made against him, but nothing against the film producers, TV channel or book publisher.
Can Amaral be blamed for the actions of VC Filmes/VC Multimedia? The judge may have found the above point proved but then didn't make those companies pay anything anyway. Everything fell on Amaral alone, guaranteeing that he would get sympathy.
Obviously they were unable to make the proposed programmes because of the court case ... and it certainly looks to me as if they were preparing to flood the market for at least a five year period ... and I am sure Mr Amaral would have had his cut of the proceeds and would no doubt have been a main contributor to future videos, just as he was in the first one ... all because he had been the lead investigator in Madeleine McCann's case.
If people think he deserves sympathy ... I think it may be misplaced.
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I think I touched a nerve... @)(++(*
No alfred
The only 'cult' observable is the one you appear to belong to.
Quite sad. 8)><(
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I have always been open about why I am here. Some don't believe it, some find it bad form, some don't give a toss.
Define justice for Maddie.
You're better off posing that question to those who use the phrase as one of their "sceptic" mantras. And I know exactly why you are here, I was being sarcistic (that's Kentish dialect for sarcastic btw).
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It has to be remembered that being a cult and having a cult following are two completely different things.
A cult following is a group of fans who are highly dedicated to a specific area of culture. A film, book, musical artist, television series or video game, among other things, will be said to have a cult following when it has a small but very passionate fanbase whereas a cult is a religious or social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices.
Which is it?
PS. Off topic and less than helpful comments have
been removed from this thread. Please keep
comments relative and constructive.
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This topic should have been addressed to both sides of the fence but then Alfie does like to stir things.
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This topic should have been addressed to both sides of the fence but then Alfie does like to stir things.
well said
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This topic should have been addressed to both sides of the fence but then Alfie does like to stir things.
I think it depends very much on the amount of evidence there is to hand ... and at the moment the weight and content of the comments on the GFM pages is illuminating when considering cult like behaviour.
Brought to mind by the portrait with the rays emanating from the head ~ am I correct in remembering under the banner of "Go get Em Goncalo" ... an Amaral head superimposed on a bulldog body with a spikey collar ~ or has it all become too much for me?
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It has to be remembered that being a cult and having a cult following are two completely different things.
A cult following is a group of fans who are highly dedicated to a specific area of culture. A film, book, musical artist, television series or video game, among other things, will be said to have a cult following when it has a small but very passionate fanbase whereas a cult is a religious or social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices.
Which is it?
PS. Off topic and less than helpful comments have
been removed from this thread. Please keep
comments relative and constructive.
Star Trek, The Prisoner and A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy all have cult followings.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/
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This topic should have been addressed to both sides of the fence but then Alfie does like to stir things.
Yes and whilst we're on the subject perhaps you can tell me why it's alright for you to have a highly provocative signature line, but not me?
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Star Trek, The Prisoner and A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy all have cult followings.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/
I can't believe that about HHGTTG... 8(0(*
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Yes and whilst we're on the subject perhaps you can tell me why it's alright for you to have a highly provocative signature line, but not me?
I wasn't aware you did but in the interest of harmony I have edited it.
Back to topic. In my opinion the McCanns have every bit the cult following of Goncalo so where does Maddie fit into all this?
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What for? To pay his lawyers. People knew for a long time there were people trying to raise funds for him. Funds were obviously needed and people knew it, but nowhere near this much was ever raised before.
Not much of a cult is it?
Maybe it wasn't then but it sure is now! Referring back to my OP I did pose the question: Is this the start of a cult?
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I wasn't aware you did but in the interest of harmony I have edited it.
Thank you.
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Maybe it wasn't then but it sure is now! Referring back to my OP I did pose the question: Is this the start of a cult?
Do you mean an online cult? Does such an entity exist?
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I think it depends very much on the amount of evidence there is to hand ... and at the moment the weight and content of the comments on the GFM pages is illuminating when considering cult like behaviour.
Brought to mind by the portrait with the rays emanating from the head ~ am I correct in remembering under the banner of "Go get Em Goncalo" ... an Amaral head superimposed on a bulldog body with a spikey collar ~ or has it all become too much for me?
Then if you don't get it.
Spend a little time on 'stop the myths', 'just another thought.....' and the few others of the same ilk, reading the open to public posts.
Then you will know what a cult is. 8(0(*
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Then if you don't get it.
Spend a little time on 'stop the myths', 'just another thought.....' and the few others of the same ilk, reading the open to public posts.
Then you will know what a cult is. 8(0(*
mcann supporters would love if the internet didnt exist 8@??)(
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Not just their supporters. I feel the McCanns would be much happier, too
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Do you mean an online cult? Does such an entity exist?
I think it does but you might have the spelling slightly wrong
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Not just their supporters. I feel the McCanns would be much happier, too
I don't think the McCanns give a toss about a small number of nutters on the net....you give yourself too much importance
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I don't think the McCanns give a toss about a small number of nutters on the net....you give yourself too much importance
We know who the n's are dave.
It's not those who don't believe the mccanns.
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We know who the n's are dave.
It's not those who don't believe the mccanns.
it shows the loss of a argument if all he can come up with the word nutters lol @)(++(*
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We are getting dangerously close to Off Topic and Insulting.
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Then if you don't get it.
Spend a little time on 'stop the myths', 'just another thought.....' and the few others of the same ilk, reading the open to public posts.
Then you will know what a cult is. 8(0(*
So what you are saying basically is, those who believe the McCann's are in a cult, those who believe Amaral are not a cult?
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So what you are saying basically is, those who believe the McCann's are in a cult, those who believe Amaral are not a cult?
Are you saying people who support Amaral belong to a cult ?
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Are you saying people who support Amaral belong to a cult ?
If there are any correlation historically from the '60s to now between cults and private jets and donations from billionaires Mr Amaral would score 0/10.
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https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=definition%20cult
Going way, way, back to the old 3As, when a character claiming to be Amaral joined the board, I do recall the poster redsquare (thought to be Nigel Moore, although I don't know if that was proved) using a genuflecting smilie to greet him, which would tend to fit with the definition ...
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Then if you don't get it.
Spend a little time on 'stop the myths', 'just another thought.....' and the few others of the same ilk, reading the open to public posts.
Then you will know what a cult is. 8(0(*
Nobody know anything about the bulldog image then?
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What on earth are you on about ????
@)(++(* So you really do respond to posts without taking the bother to read them.
We have various photo shopped images on the go ... some of which are best not mentioned because their content is so disgusting.
We have seen one of Mr Amaral, designed and used by supporters ... I was asking about a similar one usually accompanied by the slogan "Go Get 'Em Goncalo!" Which in my opinion is indicative of a type of adulation associated with cultist behaviour?
Not really all that important ... but that is what I am on about ... if you had read the post to which you replied, you would have noticed that. Interesting, though.
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@)(++(* So you really do respond to posts without taking the bother to read them.
We have various photo shopped images on the go ... some of which are best not mentioned because their content is so disgusting.
We have seen one of Mr Amaral, designed and used by supporters ... I was asking about a similar one usually accompanied by the slogan "Go Get 'Em Goncalo!" Which in my opinion is indicative of a type of adulation associated with cultist behaviour?
Not really all that important ... but that is what I am on about ... if you had read the post to which you replied, you would have noticed that. Interesting, though.
Whilst you may spend most of your day commenting on this forum &%+((£, I don't have the time or the inclination to read through every nook and cranny of this case.
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INTERESTING.
Reference to cult mccann supporting sites have been deleted.
I wonder why.
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INTERESTING.
Reference to cult mccann supporting sites have been deleted.
I wonder why.
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I think it may be usual to provide some back-up evidence in support of statements made ... you seldom do.
Whereas no-one needs to trawl anywhere other than GFM to find loads which will illustrate perfectly what it entails to display cult like tendencies.
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I think it may be usual to provide some back-up evidence in support of statements made ... you seldom do.
Whereas no-one needs to trawl anywhere other than GFM to find loads which will illustrate perfectly what it entails to display cult like tendencies.
i.e. You know damn well that the mccann sites are cultists, but you don't have the nerve to say that.
As to supporting statements, yours has to be judged in context of your stance in this case, DOESN'T IT ? 8)--))
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Do you mean an online cult? Does such an entity exist?
I see the title of this thread has been changed from The Cult of Amaral to Does Amaral Have a Cult Following?
What is a cult following?
A cult following is a group of fans who are highly dedicated to a specific area of culture. A film, book, musical artist, television series or video game, among other things, will be said to have a cult following when it has a small but very passionate fanbase. A common component of cult followings is the emotional attachment fans have to the object of the cult following, often identifying themselves and other fans as members of a community. Cult followings are also commonly associated with niche markets. Cult media are often associated with underground culture, and are considered too eccentric, bizarre, controversial or anti-establishment to be appreciated by the general public, or be a commercial success
despite the fact that Gonc is neither a film, book, musical artist, television series or video game (now there's some money-spinning ideas for Ammy to consider!) I would say that based on the above description that the great man does indeed have a cult following, and yes this is most evident online.
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the answer is...some would say yes...and some would say no....and each opinion carries the same weight...ie none
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Are you saying people who support Amaral belong to a cult ?
Are you saying people who support the McCann's belong to a cult?
The thing is Stephen, when you listed the sites you say people belong to a cult, you failed to list the anti McCann sites didn't you? These sites could very well be said to have an Amaral cult following.
Though I would just say, they are supporters of either McCann or Amaral who just happen to have joined a forum where others agree in what they believe in.
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the answer is...some would say yes...and some would say no....and each opinion carries the same weight...ie none
I agree! @)(++(*
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Cult, control, and all its religious, sometimes positive but mainly negative appendages = all the hallmarks of the Mccann Facebook page, the Mccanns so callex media "campaigns" and much in between
IMO
Totally opposite to supporting freedom of speech or supporting anyone whose right to it has been so hounded and destroyed
Its that simple
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Cult, control, and all its religious, sometimes positive but mainly negative appendages = all the hallmarks of the Mccann Facebook page, the Mccanns so callex media "campaigns" and much in between
IMO
Totally opposite to supporting freedom of speech or supporting anyone whose right to it has been so hounded and destroyed
Its that simple
Thanks for that, but does Goncalo Amaral have a cult following, in your view?
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Cult, control, and all its religious, sometimes positive but mainly negative appendages = all the hallmarks of the Mccann Facebook page, the Mccanns so callex media "campaigns" and much in between
IMO
Totally opposite to supporting freedom of speech or supporting anyone whose right to it has been so hounded and destroyed
Its that simple
But would you not agree that freedom of speech ought to be bounded (at least to a certain extent) by a responsibility to ensure that that spoken freely should be truthful, reliable and fair?
(Slightly off-topic, I know).
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Are you saying people who support the McCann's belong to a cult?
The thing is Stephen, when you listed the sites you say people belong to a cult, you failed to list the anti McCann sites didn't you? These sites could very well be said to have an Amaral cult following.
Though I would just say, they are supporters of either McCann or Amaral who just happen to have joined a forum where others agree in what they believe in.
Unfortunately there are sites from both sides, where extreme attitudes and hatred are blatantly on display.
I sometimes observe them, but that is all.
What is pertinent is those people who know there is extreme viewpoints, but won't condemn it, and/or post on those sites.
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Based on the fanatical zeal I've seen from some Amaral supporters, the repeat donations, the quasi-religious and reverent tones used to address him, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if some of these people actually would lay down their lives for their hero, sad to say. And that's not satire.
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Based on the fanatical zeal I've seen from some Amaral supporters, the repeat donations, the quasi-religious and reverent tones used to address him, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if some of these people actually would lay down their lives for their hero, sad to say. And that's not satire.
and conveniently you forget the mccann supporters who treat the mccanns in a quasi religious way, or further.
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Talk can be as cheap or as expensive as you like ... it is what you say that actually matters ... and I think what is said by Mr Amaral's support is quasi religious in some cases and in others embarrassingly ill informed.
Maree Edwards
Snr AmaraI I continue to support you and believe in you. May Madelieine and God go with you always. Don't give up. Please.
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Talk can be as cheap or as expensive as you like ... it is what you say that actually matters ... and I think what is said by Mr Amaral's support is quasi religious in some cases and in others embarrassingly ill informed.
Maree Edwards
Snr AmaraI I continue to support you and believe in you. May Madelieine and God go with you always. Don't give up. Please.
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Yet if someone said that about the mccann, you would be quite happy with it ?
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Talk can be as cheap or as expensive as you like ... it is what you say that actually matters ... and I think what is said by Mr Amaral's support is quasi religious in some cases and in others embarrassingly ill informed.
Maree Edwards
Snr AmaraI I continue to support you and believe in you. May Madelieine and God go with you always. Don't give up. Please.
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Alfred's comment, to which I replied related to the cult followers laying down their lives for their leader. Do you consider there is the remotest possibility of that occurring?
The best they will do is hold his coat while he fights.
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Alfred's comment, to which I replied related to the cult followers laying down their lives for their leader. Do you consider there is the remotest possibility of that occurring?
The best they will do is hold his coat while he fights.
"Laying down their lives" ??? Shades of Jonestown or what? Who can tell, but one can certainly tell from their comments that there are those who give the appearance of being besotted with a particular individual with almost as many more showing an extraordinary antipathy to another. Neither individual being remotely connected or known to them in any way whatsoever.
Showing what I believe is really odd behaviour, if it is not a cult ... what is it.
C Sands
My faith in people is restored. .God bless each and everyone of you for the fight, in the name of justice. ..May you find peace GA.....♥
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"Laying down their lives" ??? Shades of Jonestown or what? Who can tell, but one can certainly tell from their comments that there are those who give the appearance of being besotted with a particular individual with almost as many more showing an extraordinary antipathy to another. Neither individual being remotely connected or known to them in any way whatsoever.
Showing what I believe is really odd behaviour, if it is not a cult ... what is it.
Yet again that sounds about right.
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Anyone know what day Amarial day falls on this year
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Anyone know what day Amarial day falls on this year
No more than mccann unappreciation day special. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Alfred's comment, to which I replied related to the cult followers laying down their lives for their leader. Do you consider there is the remotest possibility of that occurring?
The best they will do is hold his coat while he fights.
I said it wouldn't surprise me, are you disputing this? How do you know what would and wouldn't surprise me?
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I most firmly believe that the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has inadvertently done great things for Justice in Portugal. But I doubt that I would place religious connotations on this.
Sometimes these things are just Karma.
The mark was always going to be overstepped one day. Sadly, it was the way in which The PJ at the time treated The McCanns and Madeleine.
But is Karma a religion or a cult? Whose bum will it bite in the end?
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Thanks for that, but does Goncalo Amaral have a cult following, in your view?
NO
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But would you not agree that freedom of speech ought to be bounded (at least to a certain extent) by a responsibility to ensure that that spoken freely should be truthful, reliable and fair?
(Slightly off-topic, I know).
It is a fundamental human right, if anyone has a problem with it, they can take it to court, but, preferably addressing issues and not demanding outright gagging, book burning and other uncivilised extreme measures
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Anyone know what day Amarial day falls on this year
We celebrate two AmaralFliesInPrivateJet days, an AmaralMeetsPope day, an AmaralStandingOvation day, a FreeFirstClassTicket day, and many more
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I most firmly believe that the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has inadvertently done great things for Justice in Portugal. But I doubt that I would place religious connotations on this.
Sometimes these things are just Karma.
The mark was always going to be overstepped one day. Sadly, it was the way in which The PJ at the time treated The McCanns and Madeleine.
But is Karma a religion or a cult? Whose bum will it bite in the end?
Religion/karma, same thing
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We celebrate two AmaralFliesInPrivateJet days, an AmaralMeetsPope day, an AmaralStandingOvation day, a FreeFirstClassTicket day, and many more
Many many more, well said that man!
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We celebrate two AmaralFliesInPrivateJet days, an AmaralMeetsPope day, an AmaralStandingOvation day, a FreeFirstClassTicket day, and many more
Brilliant. 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
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It is a fundamental human right, if anyone has a problem with it, they can take it to court, but, preferably addressing issues and not demanding outright gagging, book burning and other uncivilised extreme measures
There has been no Book Burning or any other extreme measures of any kind.
Glad you agree that these things should be taken to Court, which they were.
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There has been no Book Burning or any other extreme measures of any kind.
Glad you agree that these things should be taken to Court, which they were.
and as was stated in court, the book had no effect on the 'search' for Madeleine.
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Brilliant. 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
Really? How? I thought that was gobbledy gook myself.
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There has been no Book Burning or any other extreme measures of any kind.
Glad you agree that these things should be taken to Court, which they were.
Book BANNING, same difference
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and as was stated in court, the book had no effect on the 'search' for Madeleine.
However, The McCanns were awarded 500,000 Euros.
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Many many more, well said that man!
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Truth is, we can't hope to compete on cult stuff like that. All we have to work with from Mr Amaral is integrity. Boring.
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Book BANNING, same difference
The Portuguese Court banned The Book. They obviously have a problem with Goncalo Amaral. Perhaps they are worried about his Cult Following. Although I think it is hilarious.
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The Portuguese Court banned The Book. They obviously have a problem with Goncalo Amaral. Perhaps they are worried about his Cult Following. Although I think it is hilarious.
the Mccanns asked for the banning, the courts werent thnking amaral was a cult leader, be sensible if possible
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Truth is, we can't hope to compete on cult stuff like that. All we have to work with from Mr Amaral is integrity. Boring.
Integrity? Don't make me laugh. He is a convicted perjurer and a convicted fraudster. He didn't pay his State Taxes or his Mortgages for years before The McCanns ever set foot in Portugal.
What a very strange Cult Figure.
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However, The McCanns were awarded 500,000 Euros.
For something that was their own fault.
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I said it wouldn't surprise me, are you disputing this? How do you know what would and wouldn't surprise me?
Well turning it on its 'ead squire I would not be surprised by anything you are capable of thinking. Witness pushing 5000 posts. In the nicest possible way of course 8(0(*
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the Mccanns asked for the banning, the courts werent thnking amaral was a cult leader, be sensible if possible
Don't chance your arm with me, Sweetie. The Court banned his book because it was an abomination against Portuguese Law.
But I am more than happy to accept that Amaral thinks he is a Cult Figure. Why would he not?
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Integrity? Don't make me laugh. He is a convicted perjurer and a convicted fraudster. He didn't pay his State Taxes or his Mortgages for years before The McCanns ever set foot in Portugal.
What a very strange Cult Figure.
Big Deal! Didnt pay hs taxes. No different to many people. NONE of that makes an iota of difference to what happened to the three year old who were last seen by her PARENTS, thats before they just left her all alone along with two younger toddlers in an UNSECURE apartment out of sight and out of hearing!
And you will have to back up your spurious assertion that he is a cult figure, there is a term in psychological parlance...transference.....happens all the time where accusers or perpetrators of a crime transfer their guilt fir the very actions they blame someone else for....so typical in the Mccann cult club, bid yiou a so very good night now
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For something that was their own fault.
In your opinion. But not in the opinion of The Court.
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Don't chance your arm with me, Sweetie. The Court banned his book because it was an abomination against Portuguese Law.
But I am more than happy to accept that Amaral thinks he is a Cult Figure. Why would he not?
'Abomination' ?
That' s a matter of opinion.
Many would say that about the mccanns book.
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Don't chance your arm with me, Sweetie. The Court banned his book because it was an abomination against Portuguese Law.
But I am more than happy to accept that Amaral thinks he is a Cult Figure. Why would he not?
not chancing anything sweetie, you are STILL totally wrong the Mccanns asked for a BAN, thats Nazi style, take it or leave it, see you hun
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Don't chance your arm with me, Sweetie. The Court banned his book because it was an abomination against Portuguese Law.
But I am more than happy to accept that Amaral thinks he is a Cult Figure. Why would he not?
Are you Jamie Sommers or Diana Prince in mufti perchance?
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'Abomination' ?
That' s a matter of opinion.
Many would say that about the mccanns book.
Itcontained many lies and much defamation thats for sure but no one here seems to care, oh well, their choice, what was that about ill gottenn gains??? nightey night
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Big Deal! Didnt pay hs taxes. No different to many people. NONE of that makes an iota of difference to what happened to the three year old who were last seen by her PARENTS, thats before they just left her all alone along with two younger toddlers in an UNSECURE apartment out of sight and out of hearing!
And you will have to back up your spurious assertion that he is a cult figure, there is a term in psychological parlance...transference.....happens all the time where accusers or perpetrators of a crime transfer their guilt fir the very actions they blame someone else for....so typical in the Mccann cult club, bid yiou a so very good night now
I bet you do. But there is no Cult attached to Innocent Until Proven Guilty.
I just see all of these very peculiar Halos all over the place. Or is that just light and love? For God's sake, even his wife has left him.
Sadly, there are a very few deluded individuals who wish to impose Cult Status upon him, which no doubt he is pleased to accept if there is loads of dosh behind it. And I do not have a problem with that. There is a Saint Amaral after all.
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not chancing anything sweetie, you are STILL totally wrong the Mccanns asked for a BAN, thats Nazi style, take it or leave it, see you hun
The McCanns asked. That's it. Asking doesn't always get. But The Courts have probably just about had enough of his apparently Cult Status.
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Are you Jamie Sommers or Diana Prince in mufti perchance?
Don't be silly. Or does it bother you that I very occasionally express an opinion?
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Well turning it on its 'ead squire I would not be surprised by anything you are capable of thinking. Witness pushing 5000 posts. In the nicest possible way of course 8(0(*
three unrelated sentences in one post. &%+((£
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Truth is, we can't hope to compete on cult stuff like that. All we have to work with from Mr Amaral is integrity. Boring.
@)(++(* hilarious 8((()*/
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Truth is, we can't hope to compete on cult stuff like that. All we have to work with from Mr Amaral is integrity. Boring.
Therein lies the rub, pegasus, people have elevated almost to sainthood this very flawed man who seems to have made a pig's ear out of his personal and his professional life ~ as attested by Sofia Leal in her open letter to Dr McCann.
Over 3,000 police officers being investigated for alleged assault - and almost all of them are still on the beat
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/over-3000-police-officers-being-investigated-for-alleged-assault--and-almost-all-of-them-are-still-on-the-beat-10220091.html
Do you think that any one of these British officers if found guilty of criminality should be treated to the hero worship that Mr Amaral has attracted?
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Don't be silly. Or does it bother you that I very occasionally express an opinion?
Not at all why would it? but "don't chance your arm with me sweetie" is not an opinion is it ?
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I bet you do. But there is no Cult attached to Innocent Until Proven Guilty.
I just see all of these very peculiar Halos all over the place. Or is that just light and love? For God's sake, even his wife has left him.
Sadly, there are a very few deluded individuals who wish to impose Cult Status upon him, which no doubt he is pleased to accept if there is loads of dosh behind it. And I do not have a problem with that. There is a Saint Amaral after all.
Two wives have left him ... and one lover, Anne Bras, was terrorised because she was trying to sever all ties with him ... yet 'women of a certain age' seem to be attracted like a moth to a candle.
Nowt as queer as folk.
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Not at all why would it? but "don't chance your arm with me sweetie" is not an opinion is it ?
Did I say that to you?
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Talk can be as cheap or as expensive as you like ... it is what you say that actually matters ... and I think what is said by Mr Amaral's support is quasi religious in some cases and in others embarrassingly ill informed.
Maree Edwards
Snr AmaraI I continue to support you and believe in you. May Madelieine and God go with you always. Don't give up. Please.
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A bit of poetry to add to the mix...... 8)-)))
(It`s o.k. to copy from elsewhere these days isn`t it?)
Re: Star - 'Sick trolls raised £25k'
Post bb1 Today at 7:05 pm
.Gonzo wants me as a hail storm
To post online each day
Begging funds that will please him
Cos the tight git hates to pay.
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
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A bit of poetry to add to the mix...... 8)-)))
(It`s o.k. to copy from elsewhere these days isn`t it?)
Re: Star - 'Sick trolls raised £25k'
Post bb1 Today at 7:05 pm
.Gonzo wants me as a hail storm
To post online each day
Begging funds that will please him
Cos the tight git hates to pay.
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
You have to admit it has a certain ring to it ... particularly as by no stretch of the imagination could Mr Amaral possibly be described as a sunbeam ... despite the beams photo shopping from his head.
However that's you shown me your ... 8(0(* one ... I can show you any one of my hundreds any time you like, except mine were not designed to be humerous.
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You have to admit it has a certain ring to it ... particularly as by no stretch of the imagination could Mr Amaral possibly be described as a sunbeam ... despite the beams photo shopping from his head.
However that's you shown me your ... 8(0(* one ... I can show you any one of my hundreds any time you like, except mine were not designed to be humerous.
No.......PLEASE don`t do that !!!.........
It won`t be necessary, but thanks for the offer............
(A quick peek through this thread`s parallel in another place revealed more than enough of the prevailing "culture" ; humorous either by intention or otherwise . ) 8)-)))
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A bit of poetry to add to the mix...... 8)-)))
(It`s o.k. to copy from elsewhere these days isn`t it?)
Re: Star - 'Sick trolls raised £25k'
Post bb1 Today at 7:05 pm
.Gonzo wants me as a hail storm
To post online each day
Begging funds that will please him
Cos the tight git hates to pay.
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
Here's another poem
"Integrity one hundred percent
But the theory only scores fifty"
Admittedly it doesn't scan or rhyme quite as well as Carew's.
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Here's another poem
"Integrity one hundred percent
But the theory only scores fifty"
Admittedly it doesn't scan or rhyme quite as well as Carew's.
It surely does not, pegasus, don't give up the day job.
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Here's another poem
"Integrity one hundred percent
But the theory only scores fifty"
Admittedly it doesn't scan or rhyme quite as well as Carew's.
Oh, Pegasus........Would that it was so !..........but no, `twas copied from the esteemed bb1. @ J A T Y K
Such a way with words!
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Oh, Pegasus........Would that it was so !..........but no, `twas copied from the esteemed bb1. @ J A T Y K
Such a way with words!
bb1
Is that the one who masquerades as a Portuguese as well ? 8(>((
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If there is a cult following the cult members show scant understanding of what it is they are actually following, and the object of the reverence takes advantage of their ignorance.
People like Ms Kirkwood seem to have the philosophy off pat ... and I am sure if she remembers something she has left out ~ and she has missed one or two of the tenets ~ it will be well worth another tenner to rectify the situation.
Maureen Kirkwood
This massive cover up needs to come to an end, why havent the McCann's been re investigated these past 8 years,why did Gerry discredit the dogs, would Gerry step foot on a plane if the dogs indicated a bomb on board, why are the McCann's being protected, why the massive cover up, most of us have read the the PJ files and there is no evidence of an abduction, why can't the police see the same, Snr Amaral was a policeman just doing his job, he did nothing wrong and yet he is being vilified and ridiculed by the McCann's and the msm, what are they afraid of, stop this farce and give Snr Amaral the justice he deserves, God bless you Sir you are a true Gent and justice will prevail.
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If there is a cult following the cult members show scant understanding of what it is they are actually following, and the object of the reverence takes advantage of their ignorance.
People like Ms Kirkwood seem to have the philosophy off pat ... and I am sure if she remembers something she has left out ~ and she has missed one or two of the tenets ~ it will be well worth another tenner to rectify the situation.
Maureen Kirkwood
This massive cover up needs to come to an end, why havent the McCann's been re investigated these past 8 years,why did Gerry discredit the dogs, would Gerry step foot on a plane if the dogs indicated a bomb on board, why are the McCann's being protected, why the massive cover up, most of us have read the the PJ files and there is no evidence of an abduction, why can't the police see the same, Snr Amaral was a policeman just doing his job, he did nothing wrong and yet he is being vilified and ridiculed by the McCann's and the msm, what are they afraid of, stop this farce and give Snr Amaral the justice he deserves, God bless you Sir you are a true Gent and justice will prevail.
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Now when it comes to cults................
We have cult members of the mccann supporters club, who believe Madeleine is the second coming, and the mccanns are descended from Mary Magdalene, who married Jesus, and promulgated a line of blessed offspring over the last two thousand years. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Now that's what I call a cult. 8)--))
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Now when it comes to cults................
We have cult members of the mccann supporters club, who believe Madeleine is the second coming, and the mccanns are descended from Mary Magdalene, who married Jesus, and promulgated a line of blessed offspring over the last two thousand years. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Can you present evidence these people have organised in groups on social media etc ~ along the lines of those denigrating Madeleine McCann's family ~ to keep up an incessant 'war' against individuals they see as in being in opposition to the desires of the object of their esteem?
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Can you present evidence these people have organised in groups on social media etc ~ along the lines of those denigrating Madeleine McCann's family ~ to keep up an incessant 'war' against individuals they see as in being in opposition to the desires of the object of their esteem?
Easy.
THE DOSSIER. 8((()*/
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Easy.
THE DOSSIER. 8((()*/
You seem to have the wrong end of the stick there. The dossier was made up of hateful comments directed at Madeleine McCann's parents certainly not authored by the people to whom you refer.
Yet again you have made assertions which you cannot substantiate and which fail to stand up to scrutiny. Not unlike the general belief system which apparently binds Mr Amaral's support with a blind faith in missing sports bags and missing pink blankets.
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How many McCann supporters believe that Madeleine is the Second Coming? One? Two?
How many Goncalo Amaral supporters believe he is the Light, the Truth and the Way? Erm...all of them?
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You seem to have the wrong end of the stick there. The dossier was made up of hateful comments directed at Madeleine McCann's parents certainly not authored by the people to whom you refer.
Yet again you have made assertions which you cannot substantiate and which fail to stand up to scrutiny. Not unlike the general belief system which apparently binds Mr Amaral's support with a blind faith in missing sports bags and missing pink blankets.
The dossier was cvompiled by members of the mccanns supporters CABAL,
who have a totally blind faith in the mccanns and cause mccann.
Their 'work' and I use that word carefully, is amply demonstrated on 'stop the myths'.
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How many McCann supporters believe that Madeleine is the Second Coming? One? Two?
How many Goncalo Amaral supporters believe he is the Light, the Truth and the Way? Erm...all of them?
Define supporter?
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How many McCann supporters believe that Madeleine is the Second Coming? One? Two?
How many Goncalo Amaral supporters believe he is the Light, the Truth and the Way? Erm...all of them?
Judging by the online pages before they were deleted, more than a few, and it is known where they post.
As regards the second point, now that is a fantasy, and quite typical of a mccann supporter trying to denigrate the
.................'UNBELIEVERS'....................... @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Define supporter?
Let's start with the 1000+ people who have literally supported Gonc with cash donations.
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Judging by the online pages before they were deleted, more than a few, and it is known where they post.
As regards the second point, now that is a fantasy, and quite typical of a mccann supporter trying to denigrate the
.................'UNBELIEVERS'....................... @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Define "quite a few". Where were these pages, and why were they deleted?
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If there is a cult following the cult members show scant understanding of what it is they are actually following, and the object of the reverence takes advantage of their ignorance.
People like Ms Kirkwood seem to have the philosophy off pat ... and I am sure if she remembers something she has left out ~ and she has missed one or two of the tenets ~ it will be well worth another tenner to rectify the situation.
Maureen Kirkwood
This massive cover up needs to come to an end, why havent the McCann's been re investigated these past 8 years,why did Gerry discredit the dogs, would Gerry step foot on a plane if the dogs indicated a bomb on board, why are the McCann's being protected, why the massive cover up, most of us have read the the PJ files and there is no evidence of an abduction, why can't the police see the same, Snr Amaral was a policeman just doing his job, he did nothing wrong and yet he is being vilified and ridiculed by the McCann's and the msm, what are they afraid of, stop this farce and give Snr Amaral the justice he deserves, God bless you Sir you are a true Gent and justice will prevail.
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Never mind, Brietta.........your wee friend is on the case.
How about targeting a few more people contributing to an appeal fund?
Could be more material for another dossier to get some of them investigated.
Now there`s an exciting prospect for "cult" monitors and commentators.
"Another one giving away taxpayers' money to a bent cop. They'd all better hope that Jobcentres, etc - and especially Ian Duncan Smith - don't see this, or they are liable to find themselves in hot water and their benefits cut."
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Cheryl Moncrieffe
2 hours ago
Thanks to the Daily Star for reminding me that I am a troll! actually I am a disabled parent with a disabled child, here is £10 from out DLA, we cant really afford this but what price do you put on truth and justice, without it we have nothing!
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Define "quite a few". Where were these pages, and why were they deleted?
Ask the author.
Nessling/hotrod on 'stop the myths'.
However, don't worry alfred, I've been told some of the material has been recorded for posterity. 8(*(
As to the numbers, last time I had a view, well over twenty.
Some of whom are also on the 'myth' forum.
Allegedly, of course. 8)-)))
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Let's start with the 1000+ people who have literally supported Gonc with cash donations.
So anyone who donated to "The Fund" is a McCann supporter.
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I think I touched a nerve... @)(++(*
Ah right.........The stock reply to those you label "sceptics" who actually post a response.
Had no-one responded out would pop......No "sceptic" with anything to say?.........Must have hit a nerve....
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If there is a cult following the cult members show scant understanding of what it is they are actually following, and the object of the reverence takes advantage of their ignorance.
People like Ms Kirkwood seem to have the philosophy off pat ... and I am sure if she remembers something she has left out ~ and she has missed one or two of the tenets ~ it will be well worth another tenner to rectify the situation.
Maureen Kirkwood
This massive cover up needs to come to an end, why havent the McCann's been re investigated these past 8 years,why did Gerry discredit the dogs, would Gerry step foot on a plane if the dogs indicated a bomb on board, why are the McCann's being protected, why the massive cover up, most of us have read the the PJ files and there is no evidence of an abduction, why can't the police see the same, Snr Amaral was a policeman just doing his job, he did nothing wrong and yet he is being vilified and ridiculed by the McCann's and the msm, what are they afraid of, stop this farce and give Snr Amaral the justice he deserves, God bless you Sir you are a true Gent and justice will prevail.
£10
Isn't that kind of de rigeur for any cult?
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Ah right.........The stock reply to those you label "sceptics" who actually post a response.
Had no-one responded out would pop......No "sceptic" with anything to say?.........Must have hit a nerve....
You got it in one. 8((()*/
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the defence of amaral on this thread has overtones of cult behaviour
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Let's start with the 1000+ people who have literally supported Gonc with cash donations.
Has any attempt been made to correct the false information on that site about the number of people who have donated yet?
IIRC - At the moment anyone who donates 10 separate times is incorrectly shown as 10 more people in 'the number of people who have donated' total - and not 10 donations by one person. Obviously this results in a serious distortion of the figures.
If it has been corrected - then my apols.
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Unfortunately there are sites from both sides, where extreme attitudes and hatred are blatantly on display.
I sometimes observe them, but that is all.
What is pertinent is those people who know there is extreme viewpoints, but won't condemn it, and/or post on those sites.
Are the view points of a certain ahem person on Amazon forum condemned for what he/she posts? Calling posters p....s?
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the defence of amaral on this thread has overtones of cult behaviour
Wrong dave, it is showing there are cult mccann supporters on here and elsewhere, and theiir adage is that old cliche...........
The best form of defense is to attack.
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Are the view points of a certain ahem person on Amazon forum condemned for what he/she posts? Calling posters p....s?
To whom are you referring?
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So anyone who donated to "The Fund" is a McCann supporter.
There is a big difference between donating for a fund to help find a missing child and donating to a fund for a man who couldn't wait to write a book about a missing child who he claims is dead.
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To whom are you referring?
Oh I think you know Stephen, this person has been on there a long time, anyone who believes the McCann's is hounded off by this person.
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Oh I think you know Stephen, this person has been on there a long time, anyone who believes the McCann's is hounded off by this person.
Rubbish.
That forum has neutral moderators, and any abusive posts are removed.
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Never mind, Brietta.........your wee friend is on the case.
How about targeting a few more people contributing to an appeal fund?
Could be more material for another dossier to get some of them investigated.
Now there`s an exciting prospect for "cult" monitors and commentators.
"Another one giving away taxpayers' money to a bent cop. They'd all better hope that Jobcentres, etc - and especially Ian Duncan Smith - don't see this, or they are liable to find themselves in hot water and their benefits cut."
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£10
Cheryl Moncrieffe
2 hours ago
Thanks to the Daily Star for reminding me that I am a troll! actually I am a disabled parent with a disabled child, here is £10 from out DLA, we cant really afford this but what price do you put on truth and justice, without it we have nothing!
I read that some time ago and thought that was a rather sad post from Cheryl Moncrieffe and I hope she had the sense not to use her real name or Ian Duncan Smith's vigilantes may add another two scalps to their belt ... and don't think for a minute they won't.
Disability Living Allowance is assessed according to need ... and I think it is wrong to use money assessed to suit a disabled child's requirements for anything other than the benefit of that child.
You seem to think as Cheryl does that Mr Amaral's need comes before that of her child ... and that is a worrying mindset.
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Rubbish.
That forum has neutral moderators, and any abusive posts are removed.
I see them there Stephen, there isn't anyone to report them, as the people who are still posting on Amazon don't seem to find them abusive, strange that.
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I read that some time ago and thought that was a rather sad post from Cheryl Moncrieffe and I hope she had the sense not to use her real name or Ian Duncan Smith's vigilantes may add another two scalps to their belt ... and don't think for a minute they won't.
Disability Living Allowance is assessed according to need ... and I think it is wrong to use money assessed to suit a disabled child's requirements for anything other than the benefit of that child.
You seem to think as Cheryl does that Mr Amaral's need comes before that of her child ... and that is a worrying mindset.
Has she committed an illegal act ?
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I see them there Stephen, there isn't anyone to report them, as the people who are still posting on Amazon don't seem to find them abusive, strange that.
You can of course prove they haven't been reported ?
and you haven't observed that not everyone agrees with each other on that forum ?
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I read that some time ago and thought that was a rather sad post from Cheryl Moncrieffe and I hope she had the sense not to use her real name or Ian Duncan Smith's vigilantes may add another two scalps to their belt ... and don't think for a minute they won't.
Disability Living Allowance is assessed according to need ... and I think it is wrong to use money assessed to suit a disabled child's requirements for anything other than the benefit of that child.
You seem to think as Cheryl does that Mr Amaral's need comes before that of her child ... and that is a worrying mindset.
Not as worrying as yours, frankly.
People who donate know of a "newspaper"`s comments and interest.............and are therefore already aware of the vindictiveness out there towards them from all those making them a target for supporting an appeal fund.
(Maybe child-care welfare issues prompt many who "question" the McCanns and want to support the appeal........Who are we to decide what others should do ?)
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Has she committed an illegal act ?
You are asking the wrong question. It is remarkable that the thought doesn't pass through your head that there is some skewed thinking going on when a mother confesses to donating money, which she can ill afford, from Disability Living Allowance for a disabled child, to a cause decided by due process in a country not her own.
Herd mentality? ... or cult mentality? ... but I see a failure to consider what might be better expenditure of money assessed for the assistance of bringing up a disabled child.
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I wonder if half of these people who donate to the Amaral fund are taken in by the 'help Madeleine' trick that was put out.
They see that and think that with helping Amaral Madeleine will be helped, they don't know the full story.
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You can of course prove they haven't been reported ?
and you haven't observed that not everyone agrees with each other on that forum ?
You are all of the same mind set, the McCann's are guilty, anyone saying otherwise is ridiculed and abused until they leave.
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I haven't noticed a mass exodus - who's left ?
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Not as worrying as yours, frankly.
People who donate know of a "newspaper"`s comments and interest.............and are therefore already aware of the vindictiveness out there towards them from all those making them a target for supporting an appeal fund.
(Maybe child-care welfare issues prompt many who "question" the McCanns and want to support the appeal........Who are we to decide what others should do ?)
You raised the issue of people on benefits contributing to Mr Amaral's fund ~ I didn't, for the simple reason I have no interest in perpetuating that particular stereotype ~ but Ms Moncrieffe and some others who have donated do not share the the same reticence.
Amazing you mention that the people who have waged an eight year unremitting onslaught on Madeleine McCann's family feel there is vindictiveness directed towards them?? The mind just boggles ... then any excuse must be better than none.
That they chose to involve themselves in the judicial process in a Sovereign country on behalf of a National of that country who has had the attention of the courts and the media for at least five years is extraordinary to say the least ... but when one actually reads the stated motivation behind it all it is even more perplexing.
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I wonder if half of these people who donate to the Amaral fund are taken in by the 'help Madeleine' trick that was put out.
They see that and think that with helping Amaral Madeleine will be helped, they don't know the full story.
They know nothing at all, Lace, and what they think they know comes directly from internet sites promulgating ridiculous views and/or Lizzie Taylor's ubiquitous videos.
If I had a pound for every mention of "blood spatter" ... I could book myself and my extended family a three month very posh holiday in Portugal ... in fact I could probably afford to bring a couple of friends too.
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There is a big difference between donating for a fund to help find a missing child and donating to a fund for a man who couldn't wait to write a book about a missing child who he claims is dead.
Do explain.
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You are asking the wrong question. It is remarkable that the thought doesn't pass through your head that there is some skewed thinking going on when a mother confesses to donating money, which she can ill afford, from Disability Living Allowance for a disabled child, to a cause decided by due process in a country not her own.
Herd mentality? ... or cult mentality? ... but I see a failure to consider what might be better expenditure of money assessed for the assistance of bringing up a disabled child.
Choice Policing Mentality?
How about adding that one?
(Keep going, Brietta; you seem well on the way to criticising the "choices" of a group of British Medical Professionals for failing to spend some of their Child Benefit Allowance on babysitters. )
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You raised the issue of people on benefits contributing to Mr Amaral's fund ~ I didn't, for the simple reason I have no interest in perpetuating that particular stereotype ~ but Ms Moncrieffe and some others who have donated do not share the the same reticence.
Amazing you mention that the people who have waged an eight year unremitting onslaught on Madeleine McCann's family feel there is vindictiveness directed towards them?? The mind just boggles ... then any excuse must be better than none.
That they chose to involve themselves in the judicial process in a Sovereign country on behalf of a National of that country who has had the attention of the courts and the media for at least five years is extraordinary to say the least ... but when one actually reads the stated motivation behind it all it is even more perplexing.
Come off it...........You have plenty to say in response.
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Do explain.
I can understand people who want to donate to a fund which will help the parents try and find their missing daughter. I cannot understand people who want to donate to a man who says Madeleine is dead even though there are no facts that point at that being true, a man who used his position to write a book, who has been found by a Portuguese court to have been guilty of the fact that he wrote his book whilst a Police Officer in Portugal and who has been ordered by the court to award the McCann's damages.
How can giving money to him be justified? It was all of his own doing.
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I can understand people who want to donate to a fund which will help the parents try and find their missing daughter. I cannot understand people who want to donate to a man who says Madeleine is dead even though there are no facts that point at that being true, a man who used his position to write a book, who has been found by a Portuguese court to have been guilty of the fact that he wrote his book whilst a Police Officer in Portugal and who has been ordered by the court to award the McCann's damages.
How can giving money to him be justified? It was all of his own doing.
Why should anyone have to justify themselves?
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Choice Policing Mentality?
How about adding that one?
(Keep going, Brietta; you seem well on the way to criticising the "choices" of a group of British Medical Professionals for failing to spend some of their Child Benefit Allowance on babysitters. )
I don't criticise people for ill informed stupidity ... particularly those who are suffering as a direct result. I reserve criticism for those who have developed ill informed stupidity into what is almost an art form.
"The Truth is Out There" ... or at least some of it is in the form of Forensic Reports ~ Mark Harrison's Report ~ Martin Grime's Report ... ... and the activities of the PJ and SY in Madeleine McCann's reopened investigation.
Yet all some can see is 'the truth' as portrayed by Mr Amaral in his inaccurate and outdated book. Awesome!!
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They know nothing at all, Lace, and what they think they know comes directly from internet sites promulgating ridiculous views and/or Lizzie Taylor's ubiquitous videos.
If I had a pound for every mention of "blood spatter" ... I could book myself and my extended family a three month very posh holiday in Portugal ... in fact I could probably afford to bring a couple of friends too.
This is the whole problem, twitter has been giving out the wrong messages for years. Blood spatter, Gerry dumped a freezer, Smith man is Gerry etc. etc. Unfortunately people believe it all without doing any research themselves, to them all the twitter messages are true and they look on Amaral as the person to bring the McCann's to justice even though two police forces have said they are not suspects or even persons of interest. It really is unbelievable.
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Why should anyone have to justify themselves?
Why not? Come on why give him money the court has ruled he used his position as a Police Officer to write his book, true or false?
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I can understand people who want to donate to a fund which will help the parents try and find their missing daughter. I cannot understand people who want to donate to a man who says Madeleine is dead even though there are no facts that point at that being true, a man who used his position to write a book, who has been found by a Portuguese court to have been guilty of the fact that he wrote his book whilst a Police Officer in Portugal and who has been ordered by the court to award the McCann's damages.
How can giving money to him be justified? It was all of his own doing.
They are both cases of people giving money to people they sympathise with.
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Come off it...........You have plenty to say in response.
"in response" ... and not my choice of subject matter ... all yours.
In future think about what might be in Pandora's box before you open it.
People who are admitting they cannot afford to donate money to a cause are depriving themselves to do so ... you posted that as if it was the right thing to do ... I can only equate both behaviours with the subject of the thread.
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Why not? Come on why give him money the court has ruled he used his position as a Police Officer to write his book, true or false?
He will have to attempt to justify himself to The Appeal Court. But that Court won't be interested in how he raised the money, or by what means, Cult or otherwise.
But do his Supporters think that their admiration will affect the outcome?
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Choice Policing Mentality?
How about adding that one?
(Keep going, Brietta; you seem well on the way to criticising the "choices" of a group of British Medical Professionals for failing to spend some of their Child Benefit Allowance on babysitters. )
I am sure a lot of people on here are with me on this.
I would NEVER leave my child with a babysitter that I did not know. And know for a very long time.
Maybe you would Carew ?
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Why not? Come on why give him money the court has ruled he used his position as a Police Officer to write his book, true or false?
So? If people wish to donate to him, that is their business, no one else's.
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I am sure a lot of people on here are with me on this.
I would NEVER leave my child with a babysitter that I did not know. And know for a very long time.
Maybe you would Carew ?
Your choice, Sadie.............Others have theirs.
That`s the point .
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They are both cases of people giving money to people they sympathise with.
I just don't understand why they sympathise with Amaral.
He decided the McCann's were guilty, he couldn't wait to write his book as to him he was right and no one was going to tell him otherwise. He wrote his book whilst still a Police Officer abusing his position. His book was full of innuendoes accusing the McCann's from everything from being swingers to drugging their children.
Of course the McCann's were going to try and stop the sale of his book, wouldn't you?
Then when at the end the judge finds that he is indeed guilty and awards the McCann's, people take pity on him.
I bet if you asked random people who have donated to his fund why they donated the answer would be 'for justice for Madeleine, we know the McCann's are guilty, the dogs, the freezer, the blood spatter, the whooshing curtains, the door, the Gaspar statements' etc. etc. ALL of which SY have read and investigated ALL of which the SY have dismissed as they say the McCann's are NOT suspects or persons of interest. ALL of which are still being tweeted on twitter and people are believing it.
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"in response" ... and not my choice of subject matter ... all yours.
In future think about what might be in Pandora's box before you open it.
People who are admitting they cannot afford to donate money to a cause are depriving themselves to do so ... you posted that as if it was the right thing to do ... I can only equate both behaviours with the subject of the thread.
Not really..........It was BB1`s comments which prompted my response to your practise of targeting donors to the appeal fund by copying their posts on here........As below.
(Maybe that tendency could be viewed as opening Pandora`s Box.)
"Never mind, Brietta.........your wee friend is on the case.
How about targeting a few more people contributing to an appeal fund?
Could be more material for another dossier to get some of them investigated.
Now there`s an exciting prospect for "cult" monitors and commentators.
BB1
"Another one giving away taxpayers' money to a bent cop. They'd all better hope that Jobcentres, etc - and especially Ian Duncan Smith - don't see this, or they are liable to find themselves in hot water and their benefits cut."
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2 hours ago
Thanks to the Daily Star for reminding me that I am a troll! actually I am a disabled parent with a disabled child, here is £10 from out DLA, we cant really afford this but what price do you put on truth and justice, without it we have nothing! "
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...........and before you say it, I know you didn`t copy that particular donation post here, Brietta.........but my goodness you`ve had plenty to say about the "choice" made by the donor, given the prompt!
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You are asking the wrong question. It is remarkable that the thought doesn't pass through your head that there is some skewed thinking going on when a mother confesses to donating money, which she can ill afford, from Disability Living Allowance for a disabled child, to a cause decided by due process in a country not her own.
Herd mentality? ... or cult mentality? ... but I see a failure to consider what might be better expenditure of money assessed for the assistance of bringing up a disabled child.
The cult mentality lies with people who obsessive support of the mccanns has become more than a cult, and extremely disturbing.
IMO of course.
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Not really..........It was BB1`s comments which prompted my response to your practise of targeting donors to the appeal fund by copying their posts on here........As below.
(Maybe that tendency could be viewed as opening Pandora`s Box.)
"Never mind, Brietta.........your wee friend is on the case.
How about targeting a few more people contributing to an appeal fund?
Could be more material for another dossier to get some of them investigated.
Now there`s an exciting prospect for "cult" monitors and commentators.
BB1
"Another one giving away taxpayers' money to a bent cop. They'd all better hope that Jobcentres, etc - and especially Ian Duncan Smith - don't see this, or they are liable to find themselves in hot water and their benefits cut."
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Cheryl Moncrieffe
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Thanks to the Daily Star for reminding me that I am a troll! actually I am a disabled parent with a disabled child, here is £10 from out DLA, we cant really afford this but what price do you put on truth and justice, without it we have nothing! "
You brought the subject of Disability Living Allowance being used to contribute to Mr Amaral's appeal to this thread ... not BBI ~ who I don't recognise as a member here anyway ... and if that is the best you can do to argue that Mr Amaral does not have a cult following ... ouch!
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You are all of the same mind set, the McCann's are guilty, anyone saying otherwise is ridiculed and abused until they leave.
Rubbish.
The mccann supporters don't post there, because they are unable to argue their corner with reasoned argument and logic.
Mind you, they vote, but don't have the round spherical objects to debate.
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Your choice, Sadie.............Others have theirs.
That`s the point .
The mccanns had no trouble though leaving their children at the creche with people they didn't know.
So the excuse for not using a babysitter doesn't stand up.
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Amazon is worse that Twitter. In My Opinion.
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You brought the subject of Disability Living Allowance being used to contribute to Mr Amaral's appeal to this thread ... not BBI ~ who I don't recognise as a member here anyway ... and if that is the best you can do to argue that Mr Amaral does not have a cult following ... ouch!
Don`t bother with the stock defensive responses.
Carry on pretending to miss the point. 8(>((
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Rubbish.
The mccann supporters don't post there, because they are unable to argue their corner with reasoned argument and logic.
Mind you, they vote, but don't have the round spherical objects to debate.
There you have it abuse of the Pro McCann's from the horses mouth so to speak.
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Amazon is worse that Twitter. In My Opinion.
On amazon, the moderators don't give their opinions.
it's just that the mccann supporters haven't got the 'objects' to post there.
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The mccanns had no trouble though leaving their children at the creche with people they didn't know.
So the excuse for not using a babysitter doesn't stand up.
They said the reason they didn't want a babysitter was that they didn't want the children disturbed once asleep. They thought that having to sleep with other children and then being carried back to the apartment would disrupt their normal routine, so they decided to do the checking instead.
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There you have it abuse of the Pro McCann's from the horses mouth so to speak.
Pathetic response.
If the mccann supporters have the courage of their convictions they would debate.
They clearly don't.
They are however, quite happy to go on forums such as 'myths' for very obvious reasons.
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They said the reason they didn't want a babysitter was that they didn't want the children disturbed once asleep. They thought that having to sleep with other children and then being carried back to the apartment would disrupt their normal routine, so they decided to do the checking instead.
What a load of cobblers.
Disturbing their sleep. %£&)**# %£&)**# %£&)**#
So it's clearly better to leave children in a fire risk all by themselves.
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Pathetic response.
If the mccann supporters have the courage of their convictions they would debate.
They clearly don't.
They are however, quite happy to go on forums such as 'myths' for very obvious reasons.
What debate? abuse and disgusting name calling you mean?
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What debate? abuse and disgusting name calling you mean?
Rubbish.
Now for real abuse, there are the 'stop the myths and just another thought....' forums.
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Rubbish.
Now for real abuse, there are the 'stop the myths and just another thought....' forums.
Rubbish.
Ask yourselves why there are no Pro McCann's on the Amazon forum Stephen and don't give me they haven't got the brains to debate.
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Rubbish.
Ask yourselves why there are no Pro McCann's on the Amazon forum Stephen and don't give me they haven't got the brains to debate.
NO.
The real reason is that their arguments are pulled apart and they can't bear posting where they have no backup from mods.
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What a load of cobblers.
Disturbing their sleep. %£&)**# %£&)**# %£&)**#
So it's clearly better to leave children in a fire risk all by themselves.
Did I say I agreed?
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NO.
The real reason is that their arguments are pulled apart and they can't bear posting where they have no backup from mods.
In your mind only Stephen.
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Rubbish.
Ask yourselves why there are no Pro McCann's on the Amazon forum Stephen and don't give me they haven't got the brains to debate.
I gave up on Amazon yonks ago. It was all too vile and stupid for me.
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I gave up on Amazon yonks ago. It was all too vile and stupid for me.
Like I said.
Neutral mods and the mccann supporters disappeared........................... %£&)**# %£&)**# %£&)**#
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I just don't understand why they sympathise with Amaral.
He decided the McCann's were guilty, he couldn't wait to write his book as to him he was right and no one was going to tell him otherwise. He wrote his book whilst still a Police Officer abusing his position. His book was full of innuendoes accusing the McCann's from everything from being swingers to drugging their children.
Of course the McCann's were going to try and stop the sale of his book, wouldn't you?
Then when at the end the judge finds that he is indeed guilty and awards the McCann's, people take pity on him.
I bet if you asked random people who have donated to his fund why they donated the answer would be 'for justice for Madeleine, we know the McCann's are guilty, the dogs, the freezer, the blood spatter, the whooshing curtains, the door, the Gaspar statements' etc. etc. ALL of which SY have read and investigated ALL of which the SY have dismissed as they say the McCann's are NOT suspects or persons of interest. ALL of which are still being tweeted on twitter and people are believing it.
He was a policeman appointed to coordinate the investigation into a missing child. Based on the facts at his disposal after discounting theories which didn't fit he selected from the remaining the most likely as the theory to run with. Before reaching a point at which charges could be pressed or another theory adopted he was replaced. He documented his experience of the case.
For some reason rather than ignore it and the book fading into obscurity, he became a target to be destroyed.
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NO.
The real reason is that their arguments are pulled apart and they can't bear posting where they have no backup from mods.
All Moderators on this Forum have a right to express opinions, which ever side we favour. And it seems very evenly balanced as far as I can see.
And when it comes to Moderating there is No Bias from anyone.
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Like I said.
Neutral mods and the mccann supporters disappeared........................... %£&)**# %£&)**# %£&)**#
From what I have read in the past the mods were only needed for a few anti McCann's on there, one in particular.
Just had a look Stephen, no debate going on there at all, 22 hours since last post from you, calling this forum lala land. Abuse Stephen all the time.
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All Moderators on this Forum have a right to express opinions, which ever side we favour. And it seems very evenly balanced as far as I can see.
And when it comes to Moderating there is No Bias from anyone.
Provided we the punters hit the "report to moderator" button; yeah I know that's what it's there for 8(0(*
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He was a policeman appointed to coordinate the investigation into a missing child. Based on the facts at his disposal after discounting theories which didn't fit he selected from the remaining the most likely as the theory to run with. Before reaching a point at which charges could be pressed or another theory adopted he was replaced. He documented his experience of the case.
For some reason rather than ignore it and the book fading into obscurity, he became a target to be destroyed.
This seems appropriate.
“When you cut out a man’s tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you’re only telling the world that you fear what he might say.”
Tyrion Lannister
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He was a policeman appointed to coordinate the investigation into a missing child. Based on the facts at his disposal after discounting theories which didn't fit he selected from the remaining the most likely as the theory to run with. Before reaching a point at which charges could be pressed or another theory adopted he was replaced. He documented his experience of the case.
For some reason rather than ignore it and the book fading into obscurity, he became a target to be destroyed.
He selected HIS theory. He was replaced because he slagged off the British Police. That didn't stop him though did it, he was determined his theory wouldn't be ignored, so he wrote a book about it. How can you ignore a book that says you are a liar and that you drugged and hid the body of your child? Would you have ignored it if you were the McCann's?
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The mccanns had no trouble though leaving their children at the creche with people they didn't know.
So the excuse for not using a babysitter doesn't stand up.
A woman of your intellect stephen.
Comparing two entirely different situations as tho they were the same?
A creche has people, staff and parents, wandering in at any time .... difficult to get up to anything nasty there, don't you think? These creches were sited very much close to other people, staff and guests, all the time.
A flat, on the other hand, has no casual visitors. No one to see what was going on.
Also there were at least two members of staff within each of the creches, and child minding places.
Would YOU leave YOUR children with a solitary comparative stranger?
I wouldn't.
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This seems appropriate.
Fear what they may say? He thought he was right that is the problem, he couldn't see that he could be wrong.
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In your mind only Stephen.
No lace.
it's the lack of spherical objects and the inability to back up arguments with coherence and logic.
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From what I have read in the past the mods were only needed for a few anti McCann's on there, one in particular.
Just had a look Stephen, no debate going on there at all, 22 hours since last post from you, calling this forum lala land. Abuse Stephen all the time.
Not quite lace.
I was referring to the mccann cultists.
As you are more than well aware.
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A woman of your intellect stephen.
Comparing two entirely different situations as tho they were the same?
A creche has people, staff and parents, wandering in at any time .... difficult to get up to anything nasty there, don't you think? These creches were sited very much close to other people, staff and guests, all the time.
A flat, on the other hand, has no casual visitors. No one to see what was going on.
Also there were at least two members of staff within each of the creches, and child minding places.
Would YOU leave YOUR children with a solitary comparative stranger?
I wouldn't.
'A woman of your intellect stephen.'
You can't even get the gender right sadie.
What does that say of your investigative skills ?
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Fear what they may say? He thought he was right that is the problem, he couldn't see that he could be wrong.
It certainly seems a problem for some 8(>((
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NO.
The real reason is that their arguments are pulled apart and they can't bear posting where they have no backup from mods.
Please do not underestimate the job the mods do on this forum of providing a level playing field and allowing all points of view a fair hearing until you have experienced posting in the equivalent of a jungle where those who pay lip service to freedom of speech are on a mission to ensure no viewpoint but their own is allowed.
The intolerance apparent on Amazon is highly indicative of cult behaviour where none but the true believers are considered 'worthy' ... having experienced it elsewhere it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that it has become a vehicle to dictate how people should think, and if that is not to the liking of the powers that be, it just will not be tolerated.
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Please do not underestimate the job the mods do on this forum of providing a level playing field and allowing all points of view a fair hearing until you have experienced posting in the equivalent of a jungle where those who pay lip service to freedom of speech are on a mission to ensure no viewpoint but their own is allowed.
The intolerance apparent on Amazon is highly indicative of cult behaviour where none but the true believers are considered 'worthy' ... having experienced it elsewhere it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that it has become a vehicle to dictate how people should think, and if that is not to the liking of the powers that be, it just will not be tolerated.
Intolerance hardly.
The Amazon forum is moderated
It has merely demonstrated quite amply, that when there is a level playing field mccann supporters can't debate.
THAT IS THE TRUTH brietta
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THAT IS THE TRUTH brietta
Must be.
All truths are shouted ....
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He selected HIS theory. He was replaced because he slagged off the British Police. That didn't stop him though did it, he was determined his theory wouldn't be ignored, so he wrote a book about it. How can you ignore a book that says you are a liar and that you drugged and hid the body of your child? Would you have ignored it if you were the McCann's?
Do you really believe that?
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Intolerance hardly.
The Amazon forum is moderated
It has merely demonstrated quite amply, that when there is a level playing field mccann supporters can't debate.
THAT IS THE TRUTH brietta
I attempted to post where there were allegedly moderators ... indeed those who had appropriated moderator privileges exercised them to their full extent ... and you are absolutely correct when you say that "... mccann supporters can't debate" for the reason that it simply is not allowed.
Level playing field?? most definitely not!
A playing field where we were the ball ... you better believe it!
If there is another forum on the internet where free debate is the norm as on this one I have yet to find it ... so very obviously if, as you say, the Amazon forum is moderated, they are not terribly good at it and could take a leaf out of our moderators' and the owner's book.
Intolerance is indicative of cult behaviour.
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Do you really believe that?
Yes, as he admits it, he doesn't use the words slagged off of course.
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I attempted to post where there were allegedly moderators ... indeed those who had appropriated moderator privileges exercised them to their full extent ... and you are absolutely correct when you say that "... mccann supporters can't debate" for the reason that it simply is not allowed.
Level playing field?? most definitely not!
A playing field where we were the ball ... you better believe it!
If there is another forum on the internet where free debate is the norm as on this one I have yet to find it ... so very obviously if, as you say, the Amazon forum is moderated, they are not terribly good at it and could take a leaf out of our moderators' and the owner's book.
Intolerance is indicative of cult behaviour.
Thank You, Brietta. But a waste of time, I fear. Stephen thinks that the Mods who support The McCanns are biased. But the Mods who are sceptics are totally fair. Which they are, of course.
But Admin knows the truth of the matter. Unless Stephen thinks that Admin is in favour of Biased Moderating.
Not sure if this is Cultist or Paranoia.
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I attempted to post where there were allegedly moderators ... indeed those who had appropriated moderator privileges exercised them to their full extent ... and you are absolutely correct when you say that "... mccann supporters can't debate" for the reason that it simply is not allowed.
Level playing field?? most definitely not!
A playing field where we were the ball ... you better believe it!
If there is another forum on the internet where free debate is the norm as on this one I have yet to find it ... so very obviously if, as you say, the Amazon forum is moderated, they are not terribly good at it and could take a leaf out of our moderators' and the owner's book.
Intolerance is indicative of cult behaviour.
You keep making excuses brietta.
There is no intolerance.
You are making excuses.
However, it is well known where the true cults are in forum land.
and when you say they are 'not terribly good', what that really means is that they don't toe the mccann line.
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Must be.
All truths are shouted ....
Oh dear ferryman.
Your 'truths' are well known. 8)-)))
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So anyone who donated to "The Fund" is a McCann supporter.
People who gave money to the Find Madeleine Fund were supporting Madeleine's parents to find their missing child. People who have given money to the Gonc Fund are supporting Amaral's appeal to keep all his money (apart from Jean-Pierre who has donated to ensure a legal level playing field - I suspect he is in a very small minority of people who DON'T support what Amaral stands for but who have still given). Hope that's cleared that up.
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Yes, as he admits it, he doesn't use the words slagged off of course.
That is his version of events which you choose to believe?
There is a much more likely reason for being given a DCM on this case.
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People who gave money to the Find Madeleine Fund were supporting Madeleine's parents to find their missing child. People who have given money to the Gonc Fund are supporting Amaral's appeal to keep all his money (apart from Jean-Pierre who has donated to ensure a legal level playing field - I suspect he is in a very small minority of people who DON'T support what Amaral stands for but who have still given). Hope that's cleared that up.
How are you pronouncing that?
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I suppose the fact that the amaralites believe their master gonc...even though he tells a load of lies...makes it a cult...
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I'm still trying to distil the definition of cult, and not having much success ....
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I suppose the fact that the amaralites believe their master gonc...even though he tells a load of lies...makes it a cult...
Meanwhile dave, you are a born and bred mccannite, as your posts reveal,
and definitely a part of pro-mccann cult. 8(0(*
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Just to clear the matter up once and for all is "Gonc" being pronounced "Gonth" "Gonss" or "Gonk" ?
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Just to clear the matter up once and for all is "Gonc" being pronounced "Gonth" "Gonss" or "Gonk" ?
I have never actually uttered the word out loud, but if I ever found myself in a situation where I had to discuss the vile little toad with another real life human then Gonk would probably be how I pronounced it, and it would suit him well, I think. 8)--))
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I have never actually uttered the word out loud, but if I ever found myself in a situation where I had to discuss the vile little toad with another real life human then Gonk would probably be how I pronounced it, and it would suit him well, I think. 8)--))
That is unnecessarily vulgar Alfred.
Check out Gonk; Gonth and Gons in the urban dictionary (if you haven't already).
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I have never actually uttered the word out loud, but if I ever found myself in a situation where I had to discuss the vile little toad with another real life human then Gonk would probably be how I pronounced it, and it would suit him well, I think. 8)--))
So, if someone referred to Gerry McCann as Mcweenie, you would have no trouble in that presumably ?
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That is unnecessarily vulgar Alfred.
Check out Gonk; Gonth and Gons in the urban dictionary (if you haven't already).
Gonk. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=gonk&biw=1366&bih=643&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI5PWR-dOKxgIVA-8UCh1yQgBs
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So, if someone referred to Gerry McCann as Mcweenie, you would have no trouble in that presumably ?
None whatsoever, I've no idea what it means, and I'm sure he's been called a lot worse.
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None whatsoever, I've no idea what it means, and I'm sure he's been called a lot worse.
On this forum?
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On this forum?
definitely on this forum
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Gonk. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=gonk&biw=1366&bih=643&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI5PWR-dOKxgIVA-8UCh1yQgBs
Awww..........Do you consider those Gonks to be "vile little toads," then?
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Gonk. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=gonk&biw=1366&bih=643&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI5PWR-dOKxgIVA-8UCh1yQgBs
You read it here folks Alf thinks Sr Amaral is a furry cuddly little toy (mid 1960s style).
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Awww..........Do you consider those Gonks to be "vile little toads," then?
Not all all, some of them are quite cute, and as far as I know none of them has made a living off the back of accusing the parents of a missing child of hiding her body on a beach.
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You read it here folks Alf thinks Sr Amaral is a furry cuddly little toy (mid 1960s style).
Yes, only with slightly less appeal and intelligence (and dress sense). 8)--))
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Yes, only with slightly less appeal and intelligence (and dress sense). 8)--))
Well, that's Gerry mccann to a tee. 8**8:/:
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Yes, only with slightly less appeal and intelligence (and dress sense). 8)--))
When debates degenerate to this "over the fence little gossiping women" syndrome, obviously someone has too much time on their hands IMO!
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It takes two to tango.
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When debates degenerate to this "over the fence little gossiping women" syndrome, obviously someone has too much time on their hands IMO!
Not really, my last few posts only took a few seconds to craft.
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it remains very clear from this thread, the threat that Amaral still has to 'cause mccann'.
hence the thread.
The irony being of course that the title of the thread is more applicable to the cult status the mccanns have within their little supporters club.
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it remains very clear from this thread, the threat that Amaral still has to 'cause mccann'.
hence the thread.
The irony being of course that the title of the thread is more applicable to the cult status the mccanns have within their little supporters club.
Nail on head there.
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Nail on head there.
8((()*/