Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: mercury on August 07, 2015, 09:31:34 PM
Title: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 07, 2015, 09:31:34 PM
I thought it might be a good idea to list the various sightings and perhaps discuss the viability or not of some of them, as some seem to be being promoted in discussions when they have actually been ruled out by police, whilst others remain "possibles"
2011 Sighting in India - Negative (Parents' confirmation)
I thought it might be a good idea to list the various sightings and perhaps discuss the viability or not of some of them, as some seem to be being promoted in discussions when they have actually been ruled out by police, whilst others remain "possibles"
2011 Sighting in India - Negative (Parents' confirmation)
On second thoughts, Perhaps we should concentrate only on sightings that could have been Madeleine and the reasons why (should save alot of bandwidth)
How was the child eliminated from the inquiry? ~ 2007 - 4 May - Repsol Service Gas Station Albufeira - Negative (Child on CCTV had very long hair) http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERVICE_INFORMATION.htm
Were the parents shown the footage, I know they viewed one petrol station possibility ... or was the child along with the people accompanying her traced and eliminated that way?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 08, 2015, 12:47:14 AM
Didnt you click on the link? Why not? It shows a child with hair half way down her back!! As stated in my OP, sigh
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 08, 2015, 01:07:13 AM
Didnt you click on the link? Why not? It shows a child with hair half way down her back!! As stated in my OP, sigh
I did not see a child with hair halfway down her back; I saw a child with medium length hair with the camera angle above her foreshortening the view and giving the appearance of hair which was longer than it was.
Did you ignore the other photograph?
It would have been useful if you could have provided a link to whether the parents of the missing child saw these images before the files were released; or the methods used by the police to trace her, see her, check her details and eliminate her from the inquiry.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 08, 2015, 01:11:20 AM
If the child was eliminated from the inquiry on the basis of that photograph alone ... that was shoddy police work ... if you cannot provide evidence that more diligence than that was used to trace her ... she wasn't really eliminated then was she.
The vehicle she was in had no insurance ... and the registered owner had died. Of course that should have been followed through to its conclusion; pity you fail to see that.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 08, 2015, 01:37:03 AM
pity you fail to understand hair cant grow so much in one day, duh!!
anyone agree with brietta?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 08, 2015, 01:54:27 AM
pity you fail to understand hair cant grow so much in one day, duh!!
anyone agree with brietta?
Did I say I thought that could be Madeleine? Certainly the woman who reported the sighting thought it might be of substance or she wouldn't have bothered.
What I have asked was ...
did her parents see those images before the release of the files?
did the police looking for a missing little girl whose description matched that of the child in the petrol station take any steps to locate her and eliminate her from the inquiry
I am afraid following through on the registration to find an uninsured vehicle and a deceased owner and apparently dead ending it there seems a little bit shoddy police work to me.
I think that on the 4th of May a sighting of this nature in the locale should have been followed through until the child and her companion were found and competently checked out.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 08, 2015, 02:03:18 AM
The police dismissed the sighting for evidentially reliable reasons . HER HAIR was TOO LONG, way too long
It doesnt matter what the sighter thought or whether a car was insured or not, all irrelevant
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Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 08, 2015, 02:28:24 AM
The police dismissed the sighting for evidentially reliable reasons . HER HAIR was TOO LONG, way too long
It doesnt matter what the sighter thought or whether a car was insured or not, all irrelevant
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The child's hair was shoulder length.
In the first example you gave ... the child's parents eliminated the possibility it was Madeleine.
In the third example you gave ... DNA eliminated a child so like Madeleine her parents were reported not to know if it was her or not.
In the second example you gave it appears someone who did not know Madeleine decided the hair was too long for it to be her.
Not good enough. Particularly when one considers the circumstances of the vehicle being driven by the man accompanying her ... that alone should have been cause for reasonable suspicion.
These guys were supposed to be investigators ... why didn't they investigate??
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on August 08, 2015, 08:45:32 AM
I think the sighting in the petrol station where a child was seen with a man who was standing away from her and when the child asked 'can I see mummy now' or similar he replied with 'soon' what father talks to their child like that?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 09, 2015, 08:45:43 PM
I think the sighting in the petrol station where a child was seen with a man who was standing away from her and when the child asked 'can I see mummy now' or similar he replied with 'soon' what father talks to their child like that?
I don't think you can make any inference from that of an abduction scenario.
Witness Marie Olli from Norway IIRC. Unfortunately there was no way of following this "sighting" up. No vehicle, no cctv. Reported later than it happened. And according to her she was ignored by the British and Spanish police.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Mari_Olli.htm
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on August 09, 2015, 08:50:23 PM
I don't think you can make any inference from that of an abduction scenario.
Witness Marie Olli from Norway IIRC. Unfortunately there was no way of following this "sighting" up. No vehicle, no cctv. Reported later than it happened. And according to her she was ignored by the British and Spanish police.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Mari_Olli.htm
I wonder in what way was she ignored? Did they refuse to take a statement?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 09, 2015, 09:04:57 PM
I wonder in what way was she ignored? Did they refuse to take a statement?
All the details are in the link. Apparently the Spanish didnt want to speak to her (can't imagne what they said) and the SY who took a statement on 9 May but hadnt got back to her two weeks later? Unless I have read it all wrong.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 09, 2015, 09:14:54 PM
According to ths video was a language barrier with Spanish police
http://youtu.be/YGPrdCnPTKU
Then phoned LP
I suppose LP directed them to SY?? Seems SY were involved back then?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 10, 2015, 12:03:21 AM
According to ths video was a language barrier with Spanish police
http://youtu.be/YGPrdCnPTKU
Then phoned LP
I suppose LP directed them to SY?? Seems SY were involved back then?
Good on the couple who made the attempt to follow protocol and were determined enough to keep at it until they were understood. Wonder why they phoned the Spanish and not the Portuguese police who have jurisdiction in Madeleine's case.
Every time a possible sighting hit the headlines there were inherent dangers if that child actually was Madeleine.
Sometimes people may have chosen the press approach because of the difficulties and frustration involved when dealing with officialdom, as in the case of the couple in the report.
There is a danger in consigning information to an 'irrelevant' file as Ricardo Piava did because of investment in a belief the child is dead; but there remains a probability some of that information may have been been very relevant indeed and there remains the probability that the Scotland Yard appeal has yielded results which for obvious reasons are not in the public domain.
98 Whilst interest in our family has on the whole died down when a new story about Madeleine does arise the papers are still quick to report it. Unfortunately despite all of the warnings we have given they continue to do so with little or no regard to our family and more importantly the search for Madeleine.
99 We are of course very keen for the press to keep reminding the public that the search for Madeleine is ongoing in the hope that this may generate leads. However, there are times when the search may have been jeopardised by the publication in the press of sensitive 'intelligence' with no regard for the harm that may be caused.
100 For example in July of this year the Daily Mail reported that Madeleine had been sighted in India. They did so without contacting Kate or me or any number of the people searching for Madeleine. Our concern is that this type of reporting has no regard for Madeleine's well being or of how best this information may be used in the investigation. At worst it has the potential to tip off her abductors that we know where they are, which could have tragic consequences. It appears to us that publication of 'the story' seems to be more important than potentially apprehending those responsible for Madeleine's disappearance and bringing them to justice. http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122145147/http:/www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Witness-Statement-of-Gerry-McCann.pdf
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 10, 2015, 08:45:45 PM
Good on the couple who made the attempt to follow protocol and were determined enough to keep at it until they were understood. Wonder why they phoned the Spanish and not the Portuguese police who have jurisdiction in Madeleine's case.
Every time a possible sighting hit the headlines there were inherent dangers if that child actually was Madeleine.
Sometimes people may have chosen the press approach because of the difficulties and frustration involved when dealing with officialdom, as in the case of the couple in the report.
There is a danger in consigning information to an 'irrelevant' file as Ricardo Piava did because of investment in a belief the child is dead; but there remains a probability some of that information may have been been very relevant indeed and there remains the probability that the Scotland Yard appeal has yielded results which for obvious reasons are not in the public domain.
98 Whilst interest in our family has on the whole died down when a new story about Madeleine does arise the papers are still quick to report it. Unfortunately despite all of the warnings we have given they continue to do so with little or no regard to our family and more importantly the search for Madeleine.
99 We are of course very keen for the press to keep reminding the public that the search for Madeleine is ongoing in the hope that this may generate leads. However, there are times when the search may have been jeopardised by the publication in the press of sensitive 'intelligence' with no regard for the harm that may be caused.
100 For example in July of this year the Daily Mail reported that Madeleine had been sighted in India. They did so without contacting Kate or me or any number of the people searching for Madeleine. Our concern is that this type of reporting has no regard for Madeleine's well being or of how best this information may be used in the investigation. At worst it has the potential to tip off her abductors that we know where they are, which could have tragic consequences. It appears to us that publication of 'the story' seems to be more important than potentially apprehending those responsible for Madeleine's disappearance and bringing them to justice. http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122145147/http:/www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Witness-Statement-of-Gerry-McCann.pdf
What has Levenson got to do with anything? Nothing. That was all about Gerry and Kate Mccann complaining about how terribly they were treated by the press. IIRC Gerry said there was no other person in its history as maligned as himself.
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Topic is, what "sightngs" could have been Madeleine. And no, the girl in the shop with hair half way down her back, was not. You only have to compare pictures. It's not hard.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 11, 2015, 09:44:19 AM
In how many of the sightings of children who looked like Madeleine has the child been traced and properly eliminated from the inquiry as in the New Zealand sighting and the Australian one.
For example there were many sightings in Malta which were reported to police by many different people. Suggesting that either Madeleine or a little girl looking very much like her was on the island in the months following Madeleine's disappearance.
It seems that analysis of a photograph is as far as the authorities may have travelled in eliminating lookalikes from the inquiry. http://www.maltamedia.com/artman2/publish/law_order/article_2386.shtml
The child seen in India in common with Australia and New Zealand was properly checked out despite Madeleine's parents doubting it was her from the photograph they saw; a DNA test had the final word.
Quote The girl was walking through a market place with a Belgian man and his French wife when she was spotted by the tourist.
A DNA test is being carried out to see if the child is Madeleine - although her parents have already discounted the potential lead.
The McCann's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: 'Kate and Gerry do not believe the child seen in India was Madeleine. They have seen photographic evidence and concluded that it was not her.
'We remain grateful for people's vigilance around the world. Madeleine is still out there and the search for her very much continues.'
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 11, 2015, 07:26:39 PM
How many? You need to read the sightings sections in the files to answer that. I doubt the police can DNA test every girl spotted, who the spotter thought was/might have been Madeleine Mccann. Especially if they had no way to find them. Don't forget the Mccanns have said on TV none of the sightings reported resonated with them, except one or two (but when asked, couldn't remember which ones). How odd. Also, don't you thnk all these "sightngs" in broad daylight all over the place, in busy cafes, airports, banks, restaraunts, and the rest, seem at odds with the fact that Madeleine Mccann's picture and story was all over the press and TV 24/7? for so long?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 11, 2015, 09:52:45 PM
How many? You need to read the sightings sections in the files to answer that. I doubt the police can DNA test every girl spotted, who the spotter thought was/might have been Madeleine Mccann. Especially if they had no way to find them. Don't forget the Mccanns have said on TV none of the sightings reported resonated with them, except one or two (but when asked, couldn't remember which ones). How odd. Also, don't you thnk all these "sightngs" in broad daylight all over the place, in busy cafes, airports, banks, restaraunts, and the rest, seem at odds with the fact that Madeleine Mccann's picture and story was all over the press and TV 24/7? for so long?
That's a novel way of searching for a missing person.
Publicise their image on the media.
Make appeals for information.
Then when people respond with information.
Either file it as irrelevant to the inquiry ~ or fail to check it out thoroughly if in one or two cases DNA testing might be relevant
No Madeleine match after DNA test
DNA test results from a restaurant in Belgium have not provided a match with missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann.
The DNA - taken from a drink bottle and straw after a girl was seen with a man at a cafe - matched that of a man, prosecutors in Tongeren town said.
It "doesn't mean that the presence of Maddie is excluded", they added.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6936214.stm
I am not familiar with what the Drs McCann may have said in TV interviews regarding sightings of children who look like Madeleine but if one or two have resonated do you think it inappropriate that these should be investigated … and bearing in mind that Madeleine's appearance will have changed … have you any ideas other than DNA testing how these may be confirmed or rejected.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 11, 2015, 10:33:36 PM
That's a novel way of searching for a missing person.
Publicise their image on the media.
Make appeals for information.
Then when people respond with information.
Either file it as irrelevant to the inquiry ~ or fail to check it out thoroughly if in one or two cases DNA testing might be relevant
That is a little disingenuous as the police did follow up sightngs before the case was shelved...LOTS of them
No Madeleine match after DNA test
DNA test results from a restaurant in Belgium have not provided a match with missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann.
The DNA - taken from a drink bottle and straw after a girl was seen with a man at a cafe - matched that of a man, prosecutors in Tongeren town said.
It "doesn't mean that the presence of Maddie is excluded", they added.
So, no evidence whatsoever of a girl's DNA on a bottle she was supposedly drinking from, makes you wonder if there was any girl there
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6936214.stm
I am not familiar with what the Drs McCann may have said in TV interviews regarding sightings of children who look like Madeleine but if one or two have resonated do you think it inappropriate that these should be investigated … and bearing in mind that Madeleine's appearance will have changed … have you any ideas other than DNA testing how these may be confirmed or rejected.
Most sightings were at a time where her appearance will not have changed.
For your info and bearing in mind the Mccanns knew of what sightings they were referring to (ie were informed)
And before you get apoplectic because its a HDH video, and could havebeen "tampered with" the full version
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 11, 2015, 11:31:06 PM
That's a novel way of searching for a missing person.
Publicise their image on the media.
Make appeals for information.
Then when people respond with information.
Either file it as irrelevant to the inquiry ~ or fail to check it out thoroughly if in one or two cases DNA testing might be relevant
That is a little disingenuous as the police did follow up sightngs before the case was shelved...LOTS of them
No Madeleine match after DNA test
DNA test results from a restaurant in Belgium have not provided a match with missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann.
The DNA - taken from a drink bottle and straw after a girl was seen with a man at a cafe - matched that of a man, prosecutors in Tongeren town said.
It "doesn't mean that the presence of Maddie is excluded", they added.
So, no evidence whatsoever of a girl's DNA on a bottle she was supposedly drinking from, makes you wonder if there was any girl there
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6936214.stm
I am not familiar with what the Drs McCann may have said in TV interviews regarding sightings of children who look like Madeleine but if one or two have resonated do you think it inappropriate that these should be investigated … and bearing in mind that Madeleine's appearance will have changed … have you any ideas other than DNA testing how these may be confirmed or rejected.
Most sightings were at a time where her appearance will not have changed.
For your info and bearing in mind the Mccanns knew of what sightings they were referring to (ie were informed)
And before you get apoplectic because its a HDH video, and could havebeen "tampered with" the full version
You may have missed that the Drs McCann do not refer to specifics regarding Madeleine and I think that was the case here.
However had it been filmed after Ricardo Paiva's announcement in court about information received by the PJ and ignored Sandra might very well have had very different line of questioning.
Portuguese police 'ignored hundreds of sightings' in search for Madeleine McCann By VANESSA ALLEN FOR THE DAILY MAIL UPDATED: 05:22, 12 February 2010
Portuguese police faced growing pressure to reopen the Madeleine McCann investigation yesterday, amid claims they ignored potential sightings of the missing girl.
Detectives have refused to investigate hundreds of clues about the disappearance, including photographs of children said to bear a 'shocking' resemblance to the blonde youngster.
They include a cluster of sightings in Italy and Spain which could hold the key to solving the mystery and ending the years of heartache suffered by her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.
But instead they have gone unchecked, marked as 'irrelevant' after the case was shelved, and left to gather dust in a police archive.
The McCanns' private detectives, who are continuing the search for the missing child, did not even know the dossier existed until a Portuguese policeman let slip a reference to it during a legal hearing.
Inspector Ricardo Paiva said police had received hundreds of tip-offs from witnesses convinced they had seen Madeleine and knew where she was being held.
They sent in photographs of children and of locations which they believed were being used by her abductor, believing that police would investigate their claims.
But arrogant detectives were so convinced by their own theory that Madeleine died on the night she disappeared, and that her parents faked her abduction, that they made no attempt to check the sightings.
The McCanns' lawyer, Isabel Duarte, has seen the dossier. She said every single statement had the same phrase scrawled across it: 'This is not relevant to the investigation.'
She said: 'I was shocked at how much was in there, and that absolutely nothing had been done to follow any of it up. 'Every piece of information was treated the same way - Ricardo Paiva writes on it "This is not relevant to the investigation". 'He is the witness who declared in court that he believed Madeleine is dead. You cannot find a person when you are not looking for them.'
Mr Paiva gave evidence at a legal hearing over a controversial book, written by his former boss, Goncalo Amaral. He admitted that Mr Amaral's insistence that Madeleine died on May 3, 2007, meant the police investigation had failed to consider other options.
Mrs Duarte said they had not investigated any tip-offs since the case was officially shelved, in July 2008, when the McCanns were cleared as official suspects in the investigation. She said information had continued to pour in from potential witnesses and even from other police forces in Europe, but was ignored, even when the clues including photographs of girls who looked like Madeleine. The lawyer said: 'Some of them are very, very similar to Madeleine. But Kate and Gerry had never been shown them. 'There was information from Leicestershire Police, French police, Spanish police, and again nothing was done about it.
'Kate and Gerry did not even know this file existed until this week. I am going to give a copy of the file to them so that their private investigation team can follow up the information in it.
'But I am angry because it is the Portuguese investigative police who should be doing this job.
‘They have the power and the capability to do it. It is they who should be doing it, not Kate and Gerry.' Mr and Mrs McCann, both 41, will discover next week if they have won their court bid to keep an injunction which bans Mr Amaral from repeating his vile claims that their daughter died in a 'tragic accident' and that they faked her abduction to cover up the death.
Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said they had been shocked to discover the full extent of the Portuguese police's failure to investigate Madeleine's disappearance. He said it had confirmed their worst fears about the investigation, saying: 'They were shocked when they went through the file and saw what was in it, and even worse what little had been done to follow any of it up. 'Kate and Gerry have consistently known that potential fresh information was not being properly followed up, if at all.
'The tragedy of this case, which once again has been highlighted by this, is what little was done to find Madeleine. ‘Kate and Gerry will have to do it themselves as they have been doing. They are the only ones looking for her.'
Mr Paiva said he could not discuss the case. He said: 'I cannot comment, in accordance with Portuguese law.'
You may have missed that the Drs McCann do not refer to specifics regarding Madeleine and I think that was the case here.
However had it been filmed after Ricardo Paiva's announcement in court about information received by the PJ and ignored Sandra might very well have had very different line of questioning.
Portuguese police 'ignored hundreds of sightings' in search for Madeleine McCann By VANESSA ALLEN FOR THE DAILY MAIL UPDATED: 05:22, 12 February 2010
Portuguese police faced growing pressure to reopen the Madeleine McCann investigation yesterday, amid claims they ignored potential sightings of the missing girl.
Detectives have refused to investigate hundreds of clues about the disappearance, including photographs of children said to bear a 'shocking' resemblance to the blonde youngster.
They include a cluster of sightings in Italy and Spain which could hold the key to solving the mystery and ending the years of heartache suffered by her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.
But instead they have gone unchecked, marked as 'irrelevant' after the case was shelved, and left to gather dust in a police archive.
The McCanns' private detectives, who are continuing the search for the missing child, did not even know the dossier existed until a Portuguese policeman let slip a reference to it during a legal hearing.
Inspector Ricardo Paiva said police had received hundreds of tip-offs from witnesses convinced they had seen Madeleine and knew where she was being held.
They sent in photographs of children and of locations which they believed were being used by her abductor, believing that police would investigate their claims.
But arrogant detectives were so convinced by their own theory that Madeleine died on the night she disappeared, and that her parents faked her abduction, that they made no attempt to check the sightings.
The McCanns' lawyer, Isabel Duarte, has seen the dossier. She said every single statement had the same phrase scrawled across it: 'This is not relevant to the investigation.'
She said: 'I was shocked at how much was in there, and that absolutely nothing had been done to follow any of it up. 'Every piece of information was treated the same way - Ricardo Paiva writes on it "This is not relevant to the investigation". 'He is the witness who declared in court that he believed Madeleine is dead. You cannot find a person when you are not looking for them.'
Mr Paiva gave evidence at a legal hearing over a controversial book, written by his former boss, Goncalo Amaral. He admitted that Mr Amaral's insistence that Madeleine died on May 3, 2007, meant the police investigation had failed to consider other options.
Mrs Duarte said they had not investigated any tip-offs since the case was officially shelved, in July 2008, when the McCanns were cleared as official suspects in the investigation. She said information had continued to pour in from potential witnesses and even from other police forces in Europe, but was ignored, even when the clues including photographs of girls who looked like Madeleine. The lawyer said: 'Some of them are very, very similar to Madeleine. But Kate and Gerry had never been shown them. 'There was information from Leicestershire Police, French police, Spanish police, and again nothing was done about it.
'Kate and Gerry did not even know this file existed until this week. I am going to give a copy of the file to them so that their private investigation team can follow up the information in it.
'But I am angry because it is the Portuguese investigative police who should be doing this job.
‘They have the power and the capability to do it. It is they who should be doing it, not Kate and Gerry.' Mr and Mrs McCann, both 41, will discover next week if they have won their court bid to keep an injunction which bans Mr Amaral from repeating his vile claims that their daughter died in a 'tragic accident' and that they faked her abduction to cover up the death.
Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said they had been shocked to discover the full extent of the Portuguese police's failure to investigate Madeleine's disappearance. He said it had confirmed their worst fears about the investigation, saying: 'They were shocked when they went through the file and saw what was in it, and even worse what little had been done to follow any of it up. 'Kate and Gerry have consistently known that potential fresh information was not being properly followed up, if at all.
'The tragedy of this case, which once again has been highlighted by this, is what little was done to find Madeleine. ‘Kate and Gerry will have to do it themselves as they have been doing. They are the only ones looking for her.'
Mr Paiva said he could not discuss the case. He said: 'I cannot comment, in accordance with Portuguese law.'
I wonder how that stacks up against the reports that DCI Redwood's review revealed 38 persons of interest and maybe a few dozen leads?
16 dozen plus, as it was 195
&%+((£
But excellent question!
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 12, 2015, 12:02:27 AM
Madeleine was a highly publicised missing person with the world being aware of her; that there were numerous reports about her is not surprising, that there were so very few spurious or malicious sightings is remarkable too ... nearly everyone seemed anxious to help.
Yet there appears to be a mindset as personified by Ricardo Paiva's 'irrelevant file' that this little girl isn't worth the time and effort for these sightings to be sorted in order of priority and investigated.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on August 12, 2015, 10:37:56 AM
Madeleine was a highly publicised missing person with the world being aware of her; that there were numerous reports about her is not surprising, that there were so very few spurious or malicious sightings is remarkable too ... nearly everyone seemed anxious to help.
Yet there appears to be a mindset as personified by Ricardo Paiva's 'irrelevant file' that this little girl isn't worth the time and effort for these sightings to be sorted in order of priority and investigated.
The problem with your argument is that we don't know how deeply the sightings were probed before being consigned to the 'irrelevant' file. Perhaps it was as far as humanly possible, as the publication of some of the sightings in the newspapers several weeks later suggests.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 13, 2015, 10:30:15 PM
Madeleine was a highly publicised missing person with the world being aware of her; that there were numerous reports about her is not surprising, that there were so very few spurious or malicious sightings is remarkable too ... nearly everyone seemed anxious to help.
Yet there appears to be a mindset as personified by Ricardo Paiva's 'irrelevant file' that this little girl isn't worth the time and effort for these sightings to be sorted in order of priority and investigated.
....And so there was a need to have the whole world to look for Madeliene?.. like people in poverty stricken people should just go loooking for her? did her parents go look for her? did they go and check out the sightings? they went to Portugal often to sue Amaral and did Oprah saw the pope...but didn't go look for their daughter...
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 13, 2015, 11:35:21 PM
I have always been slightly bemused by the apparent horror generated by possible sightings of Madeleine McCann.
For example ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6256944.stm the photograph which purported to show Madeleine in Brazil but was actually a photograph taken after a bomb scare in Ibiza ... gave the sceptic fora some light amusement for a time.
Why concentrate on the fact it was a hoax perpetrated probably for financial gain ... and ignore the question of who the healthy fair-haired girl aged three or four in pink trousers, a green top and a blue hat pictured at a Spanish airport is? and why the near apoplexy engendered when children who may have been Madeleine were reported to the authorities?
No more Fake news! Original Source: JOANA MORAIS: 15 FEBRUARY 2013
In less than a month we had three Madeleine sightings, one of which was echoed by the parroting world media. Three sightings of dubious origins, three sightings that coincided with, at least, one major development of the McCann couple quest to stifle free speech and now, of a press already threatened by archaic libel laws.
co·in·ci·dence (k-ns-dns, -dns)
n.
1. The state or fact of occupying the same relative position or area in space.
2. A sequence of events that although accidental seems to have been planned or arranged.
For those of us who have followed this case since 2007 coincidences abound. So does spin, purposely published at calculated times to mislead or suppress information. A tactic used often by what has become known as 'Team McCann'.
**Snip On January 20, 2013 the Express' James Murray, published 'Madeleine McCann kidnap photo shock', claiming that “Officers were happy for us to describe the potentially key evidence which shows a healthy fair-haired girl aged three or four in pink trousers, a green top and a blue hat (...) The photograph was allegedly taken in Brazil in June 2007 (...) The man suggests paedophile Raymond Hewlett, who died of throat cancer, aged 64, in Germany in 2010, was involved with others in the abduction (...) We can also reveal the man has been in contact with Isabel Duarte, Kate and Gerry McCann’s civil lawyer in Lisbon (...) The Yard may send the picture to FBI imaging experts in America for an opinion (...) This week the Yard is expected to ask detectives in Brazil to interview the man before considering whether to fly him to London.”
On the same day, Pamalam, who received an email by the man in Brazil, and Reggie Dunlop (member of The Maddie Case Files), found out that the 'Madeleine McCann kidnap shock picture' was indeed taken in June 2007 but in Ibiza, Spain. It was a picture from Associated Press, that had been published in a BBC news article illustrating the passengers being evacuated from Ibiza's airport after an anonymous bomb threat. I translated the email for Pamalam's site, and it was obvious from the first line, that it was a hoax by someone who had used news reports online to fabricate a story - motivated by money, publicity or something else is anyone's guess.
James Murray, Isabel Duarte, the McCanns, the Yard team, all of them had the same email, with exactly the same picture. None of them thought of tracing back the origins of the picture? None of them thought the wording in that email was bizarre, to say the least. Or did they? It seems other newspapers around the world were wiser, this story wasn't regurgitated anywhere else, except in the 'O Crime' Portuguese weekly tabloid who totally forgot to credit Pamalam and Reggie for debunking the Brazil email hoax.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 14, 2015, 10:24:55 PM
I know lots of people online who have voiced disgust at sightings, blaming the McCanns personally for ruining the lives of these girls who turn out not to be Madeleine.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 15, 2015, 07:32:14 PM
Taxi driver 'drove Madeleine McCann, three men and a woman' the night after she disappeared
Driver's claims could provide vital clues in the case
KIRAN RANDHAWA Wednesday 2 May 2012 09:48 BST
A taxi driver who could help solve the mystery of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance has been ignored by Portuguese police, it was revealed today.
A lawyer for her parents told how the man, who says he saw the toddler a day after she vanished, is a crucial witness who could provide vital clues in the case.
Today, on the eve of the fifth anniversary into her disappearance, the cab driver told the Standard, how he has never been interviewed by detectives.
Antonio Castela says a young girl, who looked like Madeleine, got into the back of his taxi with four adults near the Spanish border in the Algarve, the night after she went missing.
Despite telling the Policia Judiciaria, the Portuguese police's investigative unit, what he saw, he has never been questioned.
The 72-year-old said he picked up three men, a woman and a child at 7:50pm on the May 4 2007, from Monte Gordo, about an hour's drive from Praia da Luz, where Madeleine vanished the night before.
He drove them two miles to the Hotel Apolo in Vila Real de Santo Antonio near Faro, where they got into a blue jeep and drove away.
He said: "The little girl, who looked like Madeleine was sat on the lap of a man sitting at the back of the cab. I remember thinking it was odd because they did not speak a word during the entire journey apart from at the end when the man sat in the passenger seat said to me; how much?"
Speaking from his home in Vila Real de Santo Antonio, he added: "Only when I heard about Madeleine going missing and seeing her picture on the TV did I contact the police as the little girl in the back of my taxi had that same distinct mark in her eye as Madeleine does."
Mr Castela, who has been a taxi driver for 23 years, said the girl, who was dressed in pink pyjamas, was awake, but did not speak and was just "staring ahead" as though she had been doped.
"After I went to the police, I never heard anything from them again" he said. "They did not seem to take me seriously and never questioned me. They simply took down the details and that was it. I am amazed that it has been five years and nobody has ever asked me what I saw that night. I am absolutely certain it was her."
Kate and Gerry McCann's lawyer in Portugal, Isabel Duarte, said Mr Castela's account is one of several important leads that the Portuguese police have failed to follow up.
Scotland Yard, which last year launched a £2million review of all known evidence in the case, says there are 195 new leads in the case adding they believe she is still alive.
A team of detectives, based in Oporto in northern Portugal, has been appointed to re-examine the case but so far say there are no credible new facts to justify re-opening the investigation.
Kate and Gerry McCann said today they have "no doubt" that the Portuguese authorities will eventually re-open the investigation into their daughter Madeleine's disappearance.
Police in Portugal said last week they had found "no new element" to justify re-launching their inquiry into how the little girl vanished on a family holiday to the Algarve in May 2007. But the McCanns, speaking on the eve of the fifth anniversary of Madeleine going missing, added their voice to calls from Scotland Yard for the case to be re-opened.
Mr McCann, 43, said: “I think the most important thing is that a lot of the investigation opportunities are in Portugal.
“I think it’s fairly clear that the case will have to be re-opened for those to be pursued adequately.
“We weren’t expecting a knee-jerk reaction by any means. This is an ongoing dialogue, and I am sure the investigation will get opened again in due course.
“I have no doubt about that. It will get re-opened.”
His wife, 44, added: “It’s certainly the best way that we’re going to find Madeleine, and who took her. If people want to find Madeleine, and want to find the person who took her, then we need the case to be re-opened.”
The officer leading Scotland Yard’s review of the original investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance spoke last week of his belief that the case can still be solved and said there is evidence she could still be alive.
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said the Metropolitan Police would like the case to be re-opened, but stressed that the decision was one for Portugal.
Mr McCann said: “The only way everyone will be able to move on is for the case to be solved, and that is for Madeleine to be found and the perpetrators brought to justice. Until then it’s not going to go away. It can’t go away.” http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/taxi-driver-drove-madeleine-mccann-three-men-and-a-woman-the-night-after-she-disappeared-7706355.html
Does anyone know what the outcome of the above sighting was ... it doesn't appear to have been investigated at the time as Mr Castela reports he was not interviewed.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on August 15, 2015, 08:04:08 PM
2008
Clarence Mitchell says: "The declarations of Mr. Castela are false. They are a perfect nonsense. He can only be mistaken when he says that at that time he transported Kate and Madeleine with three men ... It astonishes me that only now, ten months later, he talks about this. These are declarations that only cause pain to Kate and Gerry."
2012
Clarence Mitchell says: "Mr Castela did absolutely the right thing at the time by reporting his sighting to the PJ. It is clearly deeply shocking that he now tells us he has not been interviewed once by a detective in five years. This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to be looked at in the investigative review now being carried out by the Metropolitan Police."
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id450.html
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 15, 2015, 09:02:09 PM
Clarence Mitchell says: "The declarations of Mr. Castela are false. They are a perfect nonsense. He can only be mistaken when he says that at that time he transported Kate and Madeleine with three men ... It astonishes me that only now, ten months later, he talks about this. These are declarations that only cause pain to Kate and Gerry."
2012
Clarence Mitchell says: "Mr Castela did absolutely the right thing at the time by reporting his sighting to the PJ. It is clearly deeply shocking that he now tells us he has not been interviewed once by a detective in five years. This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to be looked at in the investigative review now being carried out by the Metropolitan Police."
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id450.html
In other words the people who were investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance and were supposed to be looking for her apparently conformed to Mr Castela's assessment of his reported sighting and did nothing to trace this little girl and eliminate her from the inquiry.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 15, 2015, 10:29:32 PM
I have always been slightly bemused by the apparent horror generated by possible sightings of Madeleine
There is no "horror" (unless you can cite any) just analysis of facts. As you must know there has been a deluge of sightings, it is preposterous to think they could all be true, so you have to try and sort the wheat from the chaffe
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 15, 2015, 10:43:12 PM
In other words the people who were investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance and were supposed to be looking for her apparently conformed to Mr Castela's assessment of his reported sighting and did nothing to trace this little girl and eliminate her from the inquiry.
Did you not read Pathfinder's link?
- The sighting was followed up by police according to PT newspapers and discarded - The story was made problematic by "someone", identity unknown, who changed the date of the sighting four years later
&%+((£
I suggest you read the link for all the reportage
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 16, 2015, 01:40:06 AM
- The sighting was followed up by police according to PT newspapers and discarded - The story was made problematic by "someone", identity unknown, who changed the date of the sighting four years later
&%+((£
I suggest you read the link for all the reportage
As a matter of fact I did follow the link ... hence my post.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on August 16, 2015, 09:45:06 AM
Incedentally , years ago there was much talk about this Mr Castela being related to an officer at Portimao / Faro PJ.
Mr Castelos full name, which is never used these days is Antonio Castela CARDOSA There were suggestions that this taxi driver was related to Inspector António Cardoso. Father of?
This Inspector Cardosa has a criminal conviction now. He was accused of the crime of forgery of a document in the Cipriano Torture case. Amaral was found guilty of Perjury in that case.
Inspector Antonio Cardosa was sentenced to two years and three months, suspended.sentence.
Antonio and Cardosa are both surnames and I am told by a PT friend that the PT have a custom of using family surnames for the first name of their children. Both men have both names Antonio and Cardosa, so there is likely a strong bloodline link. Because of this name bloodline link and suggestions on the internet, I always wondered if the taxi-drivers sighting was a red herring. Red Herrings were everywhere in early days of the case.
I have absolutely no idea if the two men are closely related ... anyone know?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 16, 2015, 08:25:34 PM
There are too many things that can easily be established /investigated without intrusive tests
Starting with the most obvious, the missing chld's parents having a strong belief the child is or could be theirs
Birth certificates, birth records, gospital records, dental records, medical records, marks and features, (matching ir not matching) school records, photographs, and so on
Interviewing family and friends, childminders, and so on, both adults and children who have known them for years
Any piece of evidence basically before 2007 which shows the child is not the missing child
If then the authorities have any reason to think after all that that something is amiss then they can ask for the intrusive dna test...innocent families are not criminals!
At least one family are recorded in the files as having been eliminated from the inquiry in exactly the manner you have detailed.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 17, 2015, 09:43:52 PM
**Snip At this address at about 13.00 KZ, a Ukrainian citizen with temporary residence permit no. +++, mobile n+++ the wife of the aforementioned accompanied by her baby son DK was contacted by myself and my colleague Milton Trigo. She identified her husband as being the owner of vehicle with NIF nº 234700025, her husband, together with a colleague from work, on Monday 21-05-2007 at about 15.00 left for the Ukraine for some time, also taking with them her daughter aged 4, IK, who like her son was born in Portugal where they have lived for the past 6 years. Her husband and daughter are staying at the following address *******, Ukriane, telephone number *****.
Personal identification documents for the husband and daughter wee not presented as they had them with them but other proof of their names was presented. Recent photos were shown, of April this year and from before with their daughter in Leca where they live. Physical similarities were noted with the missing girl Madeleine McCann, although (the Ukrainian girl) was bigger and with a rounder face.
Having previously spoken to the neighbours it was established that the girl had left with the father and a colleague on Monday for the Ukraine. It was observed that having taking this girl on such a long journey was justified that she did not stay with the small boy (which would have been) a burden for the mother.
The description of the facts denounced was explained in this way. There was no doubt that the girl was the daughter of both, known by the neighbours and having lived at the address for a long time.
By the woman's admission, without mentioning the case of Madeleine McCann further, as she was now being heard by the police and regarding any doubts concerning the motive, she says that she had already observed - as had her husband - that her daughter could be confused with Madeleine because of the physical similarities and age.
For your information.
Signed
The Inspector
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 17, 2015, 10:30:56 PM
Excellent, thanks Brietta, but goes to show valuable information (like car number plates eg) can help. If police have nothing to go on they can't do much.Vis a vis the Marie Oillie sighting e.g.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 18, 2015, 09:57:47 AM
Excellent, thanks Brietta, but goes to show valuable information (like car number plates eg) can help. If police have nothing to go on they can't do much.Vis a vis the Marie Oillie sighting e.g.
I'm not sure how excellent it actually was. I think I would have been slightly more interested in a little girl who according to her parents, bore an amazing resemblance to the missing child I was looking for and who had been taken over International borders.
In particular in relation to the manner in which they had called themselves to the attention of Mr and Mrs McCluskey.
Worth a closer look I would have thought.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 18, 2015, 09:07:48 PM
I'm not sure how excellent it actually was. I think I would have been slightly more interested in a little girl who according to her parents, bore an amazing resemblance to the missing child I was looking for and who had been taken over International borders.
In particular in relation to the manner in which they had called themselves to the attention of Mr and Mrs McCluskey.
Worth a closer look I would have thought.
The police were satisfied. It is not unusual for families to cross borders, even if they have a blonde toddler! It happens every day. Maybe the PJ were remiss in NOT asking for a dna test!
"rolly eyes"
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 18, 2015, 09:30:01 PM
The police were satisfied. It is not unusual for families to cross borders, even if they have a blonde toddler! It happens every day. Maybe the PJ were remiss in NOT asking for a dna test!
"rolly eyes"
Indeed ... and sometimes families even try to take little toddlers who are not their family member across borders particularly if they happen to have a suitable passport in their possession.
Indeed ... and sometimes families even try to take little toddlers who are not their family member across borders particularly if they happen to have a suitable passport in their possession.
Maybe the PJ were remiss ... and who knows, someday we may find out just how much.
Not a very good example...family related kidnappings? Reminds me of the "children being found years later" which were stolen from hospital by another family member therefore there is hope! Honestly.
As for the PJ, they were inundated with hundreds of "sightings" from all over the world...do you seriously think they had the capacity to personally investigate every single one to the nth degree? Especially as most of them had nothing much to go on... Yea, we shall see. Perhaps you can cite an example where the PJ did not follow up what they could in relation to any relevant "sighting"
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 18, 2015, 10:51:59 PM
Not a very good example...family related kidnappings? Reminds me of the "children being found years later" which were stolen from hospital by another family member therefore there is hope! Honestly.
As for the PJ, they were inundated with hundreds of "sightings" from all over the world...do you seriously think they had the capacity to personally investigate every single one to the nth degree? Especially as most of them had nothing much to go on... Yea, we shall see. Perhaps you can cite an example where the PJ did not follow up what they could in relation to any relevant "sighting"
What nonsense. Mr McCluskey's sighting occurred on the 5th May. His statement is dated 7th May. How many hundreds of worldwide sightings were the PJ dealing with? No wonder we are still wondering what happened to Madeleine McCann if this is the way they handled the business of looking for her in the days after her disappearance.
Reading cites supplied can be so boring particularly if it gets in the way of deeply cherished prejudices.
The forum thread I indicated to you does not refer to family abduction.
It concerns a family who kidnapped an unrelated child allegedly to be used in a custody battle; they were in possession of their own child's passport which they obviously intended to use to take the child they had abducted across borders. It happens ... and it is one of the issues a competent police force could have been expected to check out on Madeleine's behalf.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 18, 2015, 11:11:07 PM
Mr McClusky sighting was the same as the Ukranian couples case?
What. ? The registration of the vehicles was different
You are at liberty to think Madleine Mccann is still alive even though thePT authorities say she is probably not
I suppose you blame them for her being killed by any abductor if she was, ungrateful arent (as they are) you for all the work they did for two people who just left their 2 and 3 year olds on their own in an open flat on a main road, telling strangers in public places that's exactly what they did and then blamed all and sundry for everything that happened after, unbelievable, truly unbelievable
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on August 28, 2015, 03:09:43 AM
Members are reminded to stay on topic. This thread refers to possible sightings of Madeleine after 3rd May 2007.
The DNA discussion relating to suspected abductions has its own thread here. (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6573.msg261177#msg261177)
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on August 28, 2015, 09:00:23 AM
Members are reminded to stay on topic. This thread refers to possible sightings of Madeleine after 3rd May 2007.
The DNA discussion relating to suspected abductions has its own thread here. (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6573.msg261177#msg261177)
Ok I diversified, but what was wrong with my post about Matt James claiming over 20 sightings in Malta and Gozo in two batches months apart?
John. why couldn't you have left that bit and deleted the rest if you didn't want it?
IIRC Matt James said 28 sightings, but as it has proved impossible for me to find his blog about this and recheck, I have said over 20 sightings. He said about the number of sightings at least twice. His earlier mention of sightings was before Madeleine apparantly revisited Malta / Gozo.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on August 28, 2015, 09:28:36 AM
Ok I diversified, but what was wrong with my post about Matt James claiming over 20 sightings in Malta and Gozo in two batches months apart?
John. why couldn't you have left that bit and deleted the rest if you didn't want it?
IIRC Matt James said 28 sightings, but as it has proved impossible for me to find his blog about this and recheck, I have said over 20 sightings. He said about the number of sightings at least twice. His earlier mention of sightings was before Madeleine apparantly revisited Malta / Gozo.
Sightings of girls.
Yet no evidence it was Madeleine.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on August 28, 2015, 10:40:57 AM
Ok I diversified, but what was wrong with my post about Matt James claiming over 20 sightings in Malta and Gozo in two batches months apart?
John. why couldn't you have left that bit and deleted the rest if you didn't want it?
IIRC Matt James said 28 sightings, but as it has proved impossible for me to find his blog about this and recheck, I have said over 20 sightings. He said about the number of sightings at least twice. His earlier mention of sightings was before Madeleine apparantly revisited Malta / Gozo.
Just a couple of questions. Who is Matt James? Where can details of his 28 sightings be found?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on August 30, 2015, 03:18:45 PM
Just a couple of questions. Who is Matt James? Where can details of his 28 sightings be found?
I can no longer find them myself Gunit, but according to these sightings, Madeleine spent quite long spells in Malta and Gozo. Many months apart. maybe years, I cant remember the details now.
Soz
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on August 30, 2015, 03:26:36 PM
I can no longer find them myself Gunit, but according to these sightings, Madeleine spent quite long spells in Malta and Gozo. Many months apart. maybe years, I cant remember the details now.
Soz
And one set of his "runes" [I think that is what they are called, like special Tarot playing cards, I think] with every card it pointed to Malta or Gozo.
I didn't understand it until I had already identified Malta and especially Gozo as where I thiought thta she was .... and her abductor. Then after in-depth reading about Malta / Gozo, the cards fell into place. I suddenly understood them.
Other runes also mean things to me, but I cant disclose them as they "confirm" the perp and backing group.
I aint about to expose them.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on August 30, 2015, 03:33:10 PM
And one set of his "runes" [I think that is what they are called, like special Tarot playing cards, I think] with every card it pointed to Malta or Gozo.
I didn't understand it until I had already identified Malta and especially Gozo as where I thiought thta she was .... and her abductor. Then after in-depth reading about Malta / Gozo, the cards fell into place. I suddenly understood them.
Other runes also mean things to me, but I cant disclose them as they "confirm" the perp and backing group.
I aint about to expose them.
I tend to agree that Malta comes into it somewhere.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on August 30, 2015, 03:54:35 PM
About 12 days at sea for the sort of boats previously mentioned.
About 1400 miles, I believe(as the crow flies) It would only take 2 days and 14 hrs by car. It would be safer for an abductor to go by sea, though and easier to conceal her. Via Gibraltar ?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 30, 2015, 06:56:02 PM
And one set of his "runes" [I think that is what they are called, like special Tarot playing cards, I think] with every card it pointed to Malta or Gozo.
I didn't understand it until I had already identified Malta and especially Gozo as where I thiought thta she was .... and her abductor. Then after in-depth reading about Malta / Gozo, the cards fell into place. I suddenly understood them.
Other runes also mean things to me, but I cant disclose them as they "confirm" the perp and backing group.
I aint about to expose them.
A bit Scandawegian are they. Usually stones. See also Queequeg in Moby Dick. He cast the runes that showed his death.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 30, 2015, 06:58:25 PM
Though 12 days on the open sea with no place to hide if anyone looked at that possibility is incredibly risky.
Gerry tells us the abductor had a " high risk strategy" , so high risk abduction / time, high risk escape, high risk taken in parading the world's most sought after child splashed all over the media worldwide, through banks, airports, petrol stations, sitting in cafes waiting to be spotted,...as lucky as the scarlet pimpernel it seems
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on August 30, 2015, 07:39:58 PM
Doesn't add up to me. Not easy to hide a little girl on a small sailing boat.
It is if she doesn't have much say in the matter. I've sailed a few small yachts and i can think of a couple of places if no one is really searching the boat.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on August 30, 2015, 09:01:31 PM
For me boats are far too unpredictable and most certainly extremely weather dependent. If Madeleine was abducted more likely she was whisked away in a motor vehicle imo. By the time the police got involved she could have been hundreds of miles away in another country.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on August 30, 2015, 09:05:36 PM
I think a small boat would only be used to transport her to a larger vessel. Maybe moored in Lagos or Gibraltar.
The move would be from there.
Check out the boats that were in and out of Lagos to Gibraltar.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BOATS.htm
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on August 30, 2015, 09:08:37 PM
For me boats are far too unpredictable and most certainly extremely weather dependent. If Madeleine was abducted more likely she was whisked away in a motor vehicle imo. By the time the police got involved she could have been hundreds of miles away in another country.
Very possible, but with so much ocean around, there is also a boat possibility.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 30, 2015, 09:09:29 PM
Are there any "facts" (remember those) to base this speculation on? I thought this was supposed to be a "facts based" forum
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on August 30, 2015, 09:09:46 PM
For me boats are far too unpredictable and most certainly extremely weather dependent. If Madeleine was abducted more likely she was whisked away in a motor vehicle imo. By the time the police got involved she could have been hundreds of miles away in another country.
It could depend on whether it was the actually abductor, and who only had access to a small boat.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on August 30, 2015, 09:14:45 PM
Are there any "facts" (remember those) to base this speculation on? I thought this was supposed to be a "facts based" forum
No facts as known, Mercury. Just ideas/theories, of what may have become of Madeleine, that are not in the wild,or libellous class. I believe there was a sighting near Lagos marina. Pizza parlour owner?
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id399.html
ETA additional info and link.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on August 30, 2015, 09:14:50 PM
Are there any "facts" (remember those) to base this speculation on?
One myth which was promulgated here was that a certain yacht was moored in a harbour not far from PdL and that it sailed the night Madeleine disappeared. It was later established that on 3rd May 2007, the yacht was actually on a charter off the west coast of Africa and so could not possibly have been involved. A classic example if ever there was one of how a myth can be perpetrated with the best will in the world.
One myth which was promulgated here was that a certain yacht was moored in a harbour not far from PdL and that it sailed the night Madeleine disappeared. It was later established that on 3rd May 2007, the yacht was actually on a charter off the west coast of Africa and so could not possibly have been involved. A classic example if ever there was one of how a myth can be perpetrated with the best will in the world.
You might be being a tad too charitable.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on August 30, 2015, 09:21:06 PM
What about the Brazilian couple? They had access to a boat, although I am not sure if it was theirs. And didn't they disappear?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 30, 2015, 09:21:58 PM
No facts as known, Mercury. Just ideas/theories, of what may have become of Madeleine, that are not in the wild,or libellous class. I believe there was a sighting near Lagos marina. Pizza parlour owner?
George Burke or Brooks, the name seems to be interchangeable, saw "a couple with a child" near 6am...hardly a sighting of Madeleine, or suspicious per se....??
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 30, 2015, 09:23:44 PM
One myth which was promulgated here was that a certain yacht was moored in a harbour not far from PdL and that it sailed the night Madeleine disappeared. It was later established that on 3rd May 2007, the yacht was actually on a charter off the west coast of Africa and so could not possibly have been involved. A classic example if ever there was one of how a myth can be perpetrated with the best will in the world.
George Burke or Brooks, the name seems to be interchangeable, saw "a couple with a child" near 6am...hardly a sighting of Madeleine, or suspicious per se....??
That's the one.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 30, 2015, 09:30:49 PM
Perhaps just another of these myths that seem to abound.
A lot of these ideas are taken from extremely questionable blogs...a lot of them have been proven to the work of total numpties and conspiracy theorists who think the illuminati stole Madeleine McCann and other such rot....if a sighting or a question is in the files and / or at least in some respectable paper I will consider it.....saying "wasn't there some couple sometime who had a boat and seemingly disappeared" but not even providing its provenance doesn't quite cut the mustard when you are trying to sort wheat from chaffe and there is too much chaffe in ths case at the best of times IMHO
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 30, 2015, 09:46:16 PM
Yes, a report seven years after the event is always promising, isn't it.
Don't thnk SIL was rather impressed either.
Processos Volume IV
Pages 854-855
External Inquiry Report
Date: 2007/05/09 Place: Praia da Luz - Lagos Responsible Officers: Raquel Neves and Tony Almeida, Inspectors Description and result of the inquiry:
In the sequence of information received by this Policia Judiciaria on this date, at around 11H40, we went to the Video Club “Eureka Services", located in Praia da Luz - Lagos, in order to contact Mr. S**** R******, the owner of the establishment. … Following an informal conversation, we were informed by that individual that he had remembered that on the previous Thursday, 3rd May, 2007, at the time he was closing up his shop, around 22h45, a small vehicle, whose make, model and number plate he does not remember, the only identifying element he captured was the colour of the vehicle—a dull red, almost as if the colour has been burnt off, sic, due to prolonged exposure to sunlight. Inside the vehicle, he could only make out the presence of one person, as well as a dog in the front passenger's seat. … At the moment that said vehicle passed him, he observed that the driver was looking towards the back seat . Mr R***** affirms that he did not have, at that time, the opportunity to determine what was in the back of the car. … When questioned, he further noted that he recognised the identity of the driver, indicating that it was a female, of Brazilian nationality, 1,70 cm in height, 25/26 years of age, slim with lightly coloured skin. He even added her name, S*** S***** because she and her partner had previously worked at his parents’ farm. … Due to minor arguments caused by the misuse of tools, involving mainly the woman’s companion identified as E***** S*****, the latter, also of Brazilian nationality, and Mr. R*****, effectively came to blows, and the services of the couple were concluded. … He adds that some of the physical aggressions he suffered in Marina de Lagos, had required help from the local police; … After the couple were fired, he found out that they went to work in the Marina de Lagos, in the area of repairs/maintenance of boats, and more concretely, for a boat which was moored there and that they it as their residence. He furthers that it was a catamaran of high dimensions with the name "TROPICS"; … Another individual called R***** also worked in that place with the couple. R*****’s telephone number is xxxxxxxxx, and he may help in determining other elements; … He only remembered the episode at this point, because in making some associations, given the disappearance of the child, it reminded of him of this couple who mentioned that they had an exceptional desire to have a child of their own; … After the facts occurred, he also stated that they had left Marina de Lagos, as the vessel was no longer found in that place.
When questioned about the physical characteristics of E**** S*****, he identified him as being bald, with a strong build, around 1,70 m in height, dark skin tone and around 42 years of age.
Signed.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic116-10.html
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 30, 2015, 09:56:21 PM
Thanks Anna, so it was in the files all the time!
So, a couple say they want kids (like thousands do) , they leave PDL, (like other thousands do) so this makes them potential abductors...? Were they seen doing anythng suspicious? Apart from looking in the back seat of their car?!
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on August 30, 2015, 10:02:45 PM
Thanks Anna.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on August 30, 2015, 10:11:41 PM
Your welcome. I wonder what became of the recent investigation into that Brazilian couple? The man was bald.....quite a few sightings of Madeleine with a bald man IIRC.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on August 30, 2015, 10:19:55 PM
Your welcome. I wonder what became of the recent investigation into that Brazilian couple? The man was bald.....quite a few sightings of Madeleine with a bald man IIRC.
Was there a recent investigation into a Brazillion couple ?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on August 30, 2015, 10:20:16 PM
Your welcome. I wonder what became of the recent investigation into that Brazilian couple? The man was bald.....quite a few sightings of Madeleine with a bald man IIRC.
In Brazil perhaps?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on August 30, 2015, 10:21:16 PM
Was there a recent investigation into a Brazillion couple ?
I could possibly just be remembering a press article, Faith. Such as this... http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/546818/Brazilian-couple-who-wanted-a-child-re-examined-in-Madeleine-hunt
I will have another look later.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 30, 2015, 10:37:00 PM
Your welcome. I wonder what became of the recent investigation into that Brazilian couple? The man was bald.....quite a few sightings of Madeleine with a bald man IIRC.
So not Tannerman
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on August 30, 2015, 10:43:48 PM
Therefore with the boat crewed day and night, in 24 hours it would achieve
25 knots for day light hours, say 14 hours = 406 miles 10 knots for hours after dark, say 10 hours = 116 miles
Total cruised in 24 hours = 516 miles
Taking Annas figure of 1,400 miles that would take less than 3 days
Can someone please check my figures. My maths isn't so hot these days.
That is as the crow flies, Sadie. I think they would have to sail up past Gibraltar, before there was a straighter line into Malta. I don't have to check your calculations, as they are normally, spot on.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 30, 2015, 10:49:49 PM
Fact based forum apparently, no room for wild speculation....whatever the knots??
The thread is about sightings of Madeleine....and none that I can see have ever placed her in a boat, if they have, please link
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 30, 2015, 10:54:59 PM
With an entrance via a kind of canal well over a kilometer long x 65 meters wide the marina was well protected from sea storms.
There was a barrier that was lowered [or closed] every evening, which was kept closed all night. This barrier was at the Marina end of the "canal". IIRC it was closed at 8 pm, so any boats wanting to make an early start had to get out of the Marina and moor on pontoon like berths near the side of this canal
One boat did this on the evening of May 3rd. I cant remember its name, but it moored on the pontoon. I probably named this boat in an earlier post. So unless that boat belonged to the couple in the Express report, they certainly did not hot foot it from the Marina that night.
I should add that there is a Lagos Commercial Port as well as the Marina. As far as I am aware private boat owners do not moor there cos it is more for fishermen and big commercial boats.... and would not be so pleasant for living, I would think.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 30, 2015, 11:12:19 PM
But no sighting of Madeleine....so worthless
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on August 30, 2015, 11:15:17 PM
That is as the crow flies, Sadie. I think they would have to sail up past Gibraltar, before there was a straighter line into Malta. I don't have to check your calculations, as they are normally, spot on.
Yep the boat had to pass Gibraltar but that only adds about 100 miles
For this exercise, which cant be exact cos we dont know the actual boat, 1400 miles is fine.
Thanks Anna
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on August 30, 2015, 11:40:55 PM
I could possibly just be remembering a press article, Faith. Such as this... http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/546818/Brazilian-couple-who-wanted-a-child-re-examined-in-Madeleine-hunt
I will have another look later.
Thanks Anna.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on August 30, 2015, 11:45:04 PM
That Brazilian girl is known Sarah Silva seen by Simon Russell. Dear oh dear.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on August 31, 2015, 09:03:43 AM
Date: 2007/05/09 Place: Praia da Luz - Lagos Responsible Officers: Raquel Neves and Tony Almeida, Inspectors Description and result of the inquiry:
In the sequence of information received by this Policia Judiciaria on this date, at around 11H40, we went to the Video Club “Eureka Services", located in Praia da Luz - Lagos, in order to contact Mr. S**** R******, the owner of the establishment. … Following an informal conversation, we were informed by that individual that he had remembered that on the previous Thursday, 3rd May, 2007, at the time he was closing up his shop, around 22h45, a small vehicle, whose make, model and number plate he does not remember, the only identifying element he captured was the colour of the vehicle—a dull red, almost as if the colour has been burnt off, sic, due to prolonged exposure to sunlight. Inside the vehicle, he could only make out the presence of one person, as well as a dog in the front passenger's seat. … At the moment that said vehicle passed him, he observed that the driver was looking towards the back seat . Mr R***** affirms that he did not have, at that time, the opportunity to determine what was in the back of the car. … When questioned, he further noted that he recognised the identity of the driver, indicating that it was a female, of Brazilian nationality, 1,70 cm in height, 25/26 years of age, slim with lightly coloured skin. He even added her name, S*** S***** because she and her partner had previously worked at his parents’ farm. … Due to minor arguments caused by the misuse of tools, involving mainly the woman’s companion identified as E***** S*****, the latter, also of Brazilian nationality, and Mr. R*****, effectively came to blows, and the services of the couple were concluded. … He adds that some of the physical aggressions he suffered in Marina de Lagos, had required help from the local police; … After the couple were fired, he found out that they went to work in the Marina de Lagos, in the area of repairs/maintenance of boats, and more concretely, for a boat which was moored there and that they it as their residence. He furthers that it was a catamaran of high dimensions with the name "TROPICS"; … Another individual called R***** also worked in that place with the couple. R*****’s telephone number is xxxxxxxxx, and he may help in determining other elements; … He only remembered the episode at this point, because in making some associations, given the disappearance of the child, it reminded of him of this couple who mentioned that they had an exceptional desire to have a child of their own; … After the facts occurred, he also stated that they had left Marina de Lagos, as the vessel was no longer found in that place.
When questioned about the physical characteristics of E**** S*****, he identified him as being bald, with a strong build, around 1,70 m in height, dark skin tone and around 42 years of age.
Signed.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic116-10.html
Thanks Anna.
Is this the couple who said they would kidnap a child they were that desperate. The brother of the man mentioned this.
They came into a lot of money?
Or am I mixing them up?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on August 31, 2015, 09:08:34 AM
re A person saying he knew where Madeleine was, came which disrupted the McCann's tour to spread the name of Madeleine and that she was missing.
This call was taken extremely seriously, unfortunately the caller did not ring back.
The call was traced to Argentina, not a million miles away from Brazil.
Well, if Madeleine is somewhere in South America they are going to have hell's own job getting her back. This could account for the delays in The Investigation.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on August 31, 2015, 09:49:49 AM
Well, if Madeleine is somewhere in South America they are going to have hell's own job getting her back. This could account for the delays in The Investigation.
Oh and Marcos Correia allegedly now lives in Brazil. Do you think OG has sent him there to infiltrate the child trafficking gang/desperate childless couple and smuggle Madeleine home ?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2015, 11:30:03 AM
Oh and Marcos Correia allegedly now lives in Brazil. Do you think OG has sent him there to infiltrate the child trafficking gang/desperate childless couple and smuggle Madeleine home ?
has far more chance of being true than your other theories
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on August 31, 2015, 11:41:13 AM
Oh and Marcos Correia allegedly now lives in Brazil. Do you think OG has sent him there to infiltrate the child trafficking gang/desperate childless couple and smuggle Madeleine home ?
Such a silly comment, which adds nothing to the debate.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on August 31, 2015, 12:00:45 PM
Such a silly comment, which adds nothing to the debate.
Is it really any sillier than the Brazillian couple kidnapping Madeleine ( not a baby which they might get away with integrating into their family unit without too many questions but a fully formed four year old and not a child who looks Brazillian but a porcelain white, fair haired English speaking child) ?
Really ?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2015, 01:07:17 PM
Is it really any sillier than the Brazillian couple kidnapping Madeleine ( not a baby which they might get away with integrating into their family unit without too many questions but a fully formed four year old and not a child who looks Brazillian but a porcelain white, fair haired English speaking child) ?
Really ?
not as silly as the parents being involved
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on August 31, 2015, 01:35:09 PM
Is it really any sillier than the Brazillian couple kidnapping Madeleine ( not a baby which they might get away with integrating into their family unit without too many questions but a fully formed four year old and not a child who looks Brazillian but a porcelain white, fair haired English speaking child) ?
Really ?
Have you looked at the children in Argentina schools? There are a lot of blonde haired children. Children don't go to school until they are six in Argentina, long enough for Madeleine to have learnt the language.
Remember the couple in Morocco they had a fair haired child didn't they?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 31, 2015, 01:58:49 PM
Have you looked at the children in Argentina schools? There are a lot of blonde haired children. Children don't go to school until they are six in Argentina, long enough for Madeleine to have learnt the language.
Remember the couple in Morocco they had a fair haired child didn't they?
Argentina is not Brazil. Argentina has a history of immigrant population from Germany and other northern European countries so fair haired blue eyed Latinas are not uncommon there. See Silvia Bertolaccini for one. Are you saying MM is in Argentina? She might be in the Basque Country or Asturias region of Spain; plenty of fair haired blue and green eyed people there. In fact she could be hidden anywhere where the Vikings had influence, which covers a lot of ground Morocco and Iraq included.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on August 31, 2015, 02:46:03 PM
Argentina is not Brazil. Argentina has a history of immigrant population from Germany and other northern European countries so fair haired blue eyed Latinas are not uncommon there. See Silvia Bertolaccini for one. Are you saying MM is in Argentina? She might be in the Basque Country or Asturias region of Spain; plenty of fair haired blue and green eyed people there. In fact she could be hidden anywhere where the Vikings had influence, which covers a lot of ground Morocco and Iraq included.
I was thinking of Argentina as that is where the sighting was also it isn't that far from Brazil, could be they thought Brazil would be too obvious.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on August 31, 2015, 04:19:23 PM
Well, if Madeleine is somewhere in South America they are going to have hell's own job getting her back. This could account for the delays in The Investigation.
Kidnapping is not exactly unknown in South America, some of it was State sanctioned as the Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo can attest.
**Snip In 1980, a fellow parishioner of Jorgelina’s adoptive parents recognised her from the pictures. He contacted the Grandmothers. Ana’s fight to recover her granddaughter became focused and she began to write letters to Jorgelina.
“Even though my grandmother knew where I was, my adoptive parents had legal adoption papers,” says Jorgelina. “My maternal grandmother had signed the papers and because my father’s name wasn’t on my birth certificate and DNA testing wasn’t available at that time, Ana couldn’t prove I was her granddaughter.”
Why had her maternal grandmother signed the adoption papers? “Out of fear. When somebody disappeared, to protect other members of their family people wouldn’t make a fuss. This affected thousands because it tore families apart,” she says.
**Snip “I’ve always known I was adopted because I was almost four when my mum disappeared. But my adoptive parents told me that my parents were terrorists and had neglected me.” http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/27/child-argentinas-disappeared-new-family-identity
Some people commented on how the child didn’t take after his father too much while others stressed that Neymar’s mixed ancestry was similar to that of many Brazilians. Still others revealed their own family backgrounds as evidence that brown skinned people having lighter-skinned children is normal in Brazil.
Argentina is not Brazil. Argentina has a history of immigrant population from Germany and other northern European countries so fair haired blue eyed Latinas are not uncommon there. See Silvia Bertolaccini for one. Are you saying MM is in Argentina? She might be in the Basque Country or Asturias region of Spain; plenty of fair haired blue and green eyed people there. In fact she could be hidden anywhere where the Vikings had influence, which covers a lot of ground Morocco and Iraq included.
Bert/olaccini sounds half German and half Italian , but together very Latino.
And the Vikings. Judging by the ships they sailed .... the Vikings ended up in the Greek Islands where the Phoenicians mainly came from too. I wonder if the Phoenicians are part Viking Germanic and part Greek?
The Viking and the Phoenician ships are almost identical
The names of people from Norway are also reflected in the names of places on the Greek islands.
And, of course Rollo, King of Norway raided and scavenged France so much that the King of France gave him Normandy in exchange for his stopping all the raiding and pillaging. Tis said that William the Conqueror is descended from Rollo with Robert The Strong, timewise, somewhere between the two.
The King of France might have given him Brittany too, Elli, but I cant remember. soz
Oh Jeez, I am off again ... but it is our History, after all. 8(>((
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on August 31, 2015, 05:50:21 PM
Bert/olaccini sounds half German and half Italian , but together very Latino.
And the Vikings. Judging by the ships they sailed .... the Vikings ended up in the Greek Islands where the Phoenicians mainly came from too. I wonder if the Phoenicians are part Viking Germanic and part Greek?
The Viking and the Phoenician ships are almost identical
The names of people from Norway are also reflected in the names of places on the Greek islands.
And, of course Rollo, King of Norway raided and scavenged France so much that the King of France gave him Normandy in exchange for his stopping all the raiding and pillaging. Tis said that William the Conqueror is descended from Rollo with Robert The Strong, timewise, somewhere between the two.
The King of France might have given him Brittany too, Elli, but I cant remember. soz
Oh Jeez, I am off again ... but it is our History, after all. 8(>((
Tis possible, Sadie. Brittany is a separate entity and doesn't consider itself French at all.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on August 31, 2015, 05:54:23 PM
Bert/olaccini sounds half German and half Italian , but together very Latino.
And the Vikings. Judging by the ships they sailed .... the Vikings ended up in the Greek Islands where the Phoenicians mainly came from too. I wonder if the Phoenicians are part Viking Germanic and part Greek?
The Viking and the Phoenician ships are almost identical
The names of people from Norway are also reflected in the names of places on the Greek islands.
And, of course Rollo, King of Norway raided and scavenged France so much that the King of France gave him Normandy in exchange for his stopping all the raiding and pillaging. Tis said that William the Conqueror is descended from Rollo with Robert The Strong, timewise, somewhere between the two.
The King of France might have given him Brittany too, Elli, but I cant remember. soz
Oh Jeez, I am off again ... but it is our History, after all. 8(>((
Phoenicians - 1550 BC to 300 BC Vikings - late 8th to late 11th centuries
Sounds like you have been Icking again.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on August 31, 2015, 05:55:29 PM
Kidnapping is not exactly unknown in South America, some of it was State sanctioned as the Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo can attest.
**Snip In 1980, a fellow parishioner of Jorgelina’s adoptive parents recognised her from the pictures. He contacted the Grandmothers. Ana’s fight to recover her granddaughter became focused and she began to write letters to Jorgelina.
“Even though my grandmother knew where I was, my adoptive parents had legal adoption papers,” says Jorgelina. “My maternal grandmother had signed the papers and because my father’s name wasn’t on my birth certificate and DNA testing wasn’t available at that time, Ana couldn’t prove I was her granddaughter.”
Why had her maternal grandmother signed the adoption papers? “Out of fear. When somebody disappeared, to protect other members of their family people wouldn’t make a fuss. This affected thousands because it tore families apart,” she says.
**Snip “I’ve always known I was adopted because I was almost four when my mum disappeared. But my adoptive parents told me that my parents were terrorists and had neglected me.” http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/27/child-argentinas-disappeared-new-family-identity
Some people commented on how the child didn’t take after his father too much while others stressed that Neymar’s mixed ancestry was similar to that of many Brazilians. Still others revealed their own family backgrounds as evidence that brown skinned people having lighter-skinned children is normal in Brazil.
I think it is perfectly possible that a blonde haired child like Madeleine would not raise eyebrows in Brazil or any other South American country.
Interesting bit about Blondes in Brazil? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/4307262/Nazi-angel-of-death-Josef-Mengele-created-twin-town-in-Brazil.html
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on August 31, 2015, 05:58:54 PM
I was thinking of Argentina as that is where the sighting was also it isn't that far from Brazil, could be they thought Brazil would be too obvious.
Which sighting was that one? I thnk it was a matter of a phone call either from Argentina or from a mobile bought in Argentina? the caller sayng he knew where Madeleine was/who had her, somethng they never rang up about again and something the police denied in any case
?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on August 31, 2015, 06:25:47 PM
I was thinking of Argentina as that is where the sighting was also it isn't that far from Brazil, could be they thought Brazil would be too obvious.
Any of these Lace? Mexico and argentina.
Algeria Apensos V, Vol IX Page 1948
Policia Judiciaria
Service Information
Date: 2007-06-19
To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation
From: Inspector Jorge Vaz
Subject: Information About Madeleine McCann
I inform you that today a telephone call was received from an individual who did not identify himself and whose number was impossible to trace.
The individual in question claims to have seen a girl identical to Madeleine McCann whom he took photos of. He says that this took place in Argentina. However, she was photographed from a distance.
He says that he has the negative and can provide it if requested.
The photo can be seen by accessing an email address created by him (roloescot@yahoo.com.ar) which can be accessed using the password “654321”. We consulted two messages sent to Scotland Yard in the outbox and checked the enclosed image.
Any contact can be made via the email account.
That is all I have to inform.
Signed
Inspector Vaz
(Doc linked in TOC). http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post239113.html#p239113
Apensos V, Volume XIII Pages 2921-2923
Email
Portimao DIC
From Alan Blackburn @met.police.uk
Sent: 9th October 2007
To: Portimao DIC
Subject: Madeleine McCann – possible sighting in Mexico 6th October 2007.
Please see below possible sighting of Madeleine in Mexico. I requested further details of location, description of the child etc. Which I have had a reply to and this is included below within this e-mail.
Thank you.
Alan Blackburn (Intelligence Officer) UK Police National Missing Persons Bureau Room 209 New Scotland Yard 10 Broadway London
Original message
To: Jessica Sarra
Sent: Oct 08 2007
Subject: Madeleine McCann
My husband and I strongly believe we may have seen Madeleine with a man in a restaurant while on vacation in Mexico. At first we just had a weird feeling that the little girl at the table next to us didn’t belong with the man. The way she looked at us and her unmatching clothes and not being well groomed, and the fact that the man wouldn’t turn around and look at us directly even when we were non verbally corresponding with the little girl. When we got back to our hotel and caught a bit of the news, Madeleine’s picture came up and my husband and I both looked at each other with the same sinking feeling that she looked just like her except the picture looked a lot younger and we thought the little girl at the restaurant was about 4. When I got home and looked up her pictures and age etc. I feel even more strongly now that it was her. I’ve been trying to look at more pictures of missing little girls about her age and haven’t seen one yet that resembles her except Madeleine. I have more details however am not sure who to contact that will take this very serious (sic) and not leak it to the media so that the kidnapper has time to flee.
Very concerned mother myself.
Deanna.
Original message
From: AW70DW73@aol.com
Sent: 9 October 2007
To: Blackburn Alan
Subject: Madeleine
1. The exact location of the sighting including any nearby buildings and whether you noticed any CCTV cameras nearby.
I doubt they have cameras – small town of San Felipe in Baja California Mexico on the Sea of Cortez, the restaurant – Bajamar on the main cruising ship – Mar de Cortez, right along the beach.
2. The day, date and time of the sighting.
Saturday the 6th between 5.00 and 6.30 PM (They were already at their table when we were seated next to them).
3. Details of clothing items that she was wearing.
Light green T shirt with a horse on it and a turquoise Mexican shirt with sequences and dirty thongs.
4. Description of the child including any distinctive marks, scars or other features.
She looked very much like the pictures, thin /avg 4 yr old size. Her eyes looked very dark from a distance but when she came around the table closer, I could see blue green colour, I didn’t notice the black line as it was a little dark and she probably wasn’t close enough. Her cute little nose matches the pictures exactly. Her hair fine blonde just like the photos – longer than the most recent photo – bangs were kind of covering her eyebrows. Her hair looked a little dirty and not shiny and brushed like if a woman was involved and her clothes didn’t match.
5. Circumstances of the sighting including anyone she was seen with, any vehicles and her demeanour.
Her staring into our eyes when we 1st saw her – I can’t explain the feeling my husband and I both got (almost like she recognised us or there was desperation.. She was busy, would walk around the table – the man kept telling her to sit down. At one point she seemed to be testing him while she watched us. The tables were outside right by the sidewalk, street and then beach and ocean. When she stood up by the railing looking towards the street, he nudged her with the chair and she sat down on it. He seemed very suspicious, not talking much, never turned around and looked at us even though we were smiling back and forth with the little girl. He looked a little older late 50’s or 60’s, graying hair, white baseball cap, maybe 6 foot or just shy, a little overweight. He was very normal looking but big nose and ears. I never heard any names or references such as Grandpa. She whispered something in his ear and he said something back and then I heard her say something like “but you said they were sad”.
6. Any photographs that you make (sic) have taken of her?
I wish I would have thought of that. I took a picture of the lighthouse out the view and her arm is in it, but at the time my husband and I were just suspicious thinking that maybe this little girl didn’t belong with the guy. It wasn’t until we caught a bit of the news later that night and saw Madeleine’s picture that my husband and I both thought how much it looked like her but the news said age 3 and we were certain the girl was more like 4. And being so far from Portugal, we at the point thought it probably wasn’t her. But it kept bothering us, so when we got home I searched the Internet for her and other missing children and found out she is 4 and saw all the other pictures of her and the video (the picture of her in the dark blue chang (sic) shirt really struck me and her expressions in the video) and that is when we thought everything is adding up, not to mention the sitings (sic) in Argentina and Guatemala, which if he was sailing would be right along the way.
7. Any additional information that you feel may be of benefit to investigate this sighting further.
San Felipe would be a great hiding place – not too many tourists, mostly Mexicans and the federales seem pretty laid back. When they left the restaurant they walked north on the sidewalk right past where we were sitting. I thought it was odd that we didn’t see meals brought to them, unless they ate before we got there, but if that is the case, they sat there a long time after. She just had a shirley temple that she barely sipped on and I think I saw her munch on one chip. I wish I would have done more like ask her name and take a picture.
My husband and I feel very strongly that it was her. I feel so strongly that I want to go back down there and look for her, but I don’t know what I would do if I saw her again and I’m all the way up in Idaho. I hope this helps. Someone needs to go there right away.
Deanna Wright
(Doc linked in TOC). http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post212257.html#p212257
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 31, 2015, 07:07:34 PM
Oh and Marcos Correia allegedly now lives in Brazil. Do you think OG has sent him there to infiltrate the child trafficking gang/desperate childless couple and smuggle Madeleine home ?
No he doesn't, or he didn't about 12 months ago.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on September 01, 2015, 12:31:57 AM
Interesting bit about Blondes in Brazil? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/4307262/Nazi-angel-of-death-Josef-Mengele-created-twin-town-in-Brazil.html
Phwew !
I'll say it is interesting. All those blonde twins!
And Mengeles managed to "sell" himself as a gentleman ... everyone liked him
The gift of the gab and ability to tell lies is everything these days, it seems. %56& 8(8-))
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on September 01, 2015, 12:37:26 AM
Phoenicians - 1550 BC to 300 BC Vikings - late 8th to late 11th centuries
Sounds like you have been Icking again.
Nothing to do with Icke. I rarely read him, but he is right on loads of stuff ... and imo wrong on quite a bit of stuff too. But I am open minded; he might be right and I might be wrong on certain things. Dunno
Your periods are right, Slarti, but it is right what I say too.
The names that are prevalent in Norway {Old Germany} are reflected on the Greek islands
The Norse and Phoenician ships are near identical.
Both Phoenicians and Norse were traders, pirates and warriers. Especially the Norsemen (warriers)
I wonder if historical bloodline links is why Alice P. originally had a pirate as his avatar and now has the battle hemet and axe?
The ancient Norsemen, [maybe they cannot officially be called Vikings but they are still Norsemen and the same bloodline], were great sailors and they sailed to sunnier climes. Who could blame them with 24 hours darkness in the winter along with bitterly cold weather, snow and ice.
I guess the poor women stayed at home, in the bitter cold and darkness, looking after the children and the livestock. The men gave their names to a fair number of places around Greece and quite probably had their second "winter" families there. I am only guessing that.
Anyway we are diversifying, except that I think that modern traffickers quite possibly descended from the original traders and piraters. I would be very surprised if they didn't
And it is a possibility that Madeleine has been trafficked. We just dont know, altho I think not in the traditional way.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on September 01, 2015, 01:00:49 AM
Nothing to do with Icke. I rarely read him, but he is right on loads of stuff ... and imo wrong on quite a bit of stuff too. But I am open minded; he might be right and I might be wrong on certain things. Dunno
Your periods are right, Slarti, but it is right what I say too.
The names that are prevalent in Norway {Old Germany} are reflected on the Greek islands
The Norse and Phoenician ships are near identical.
Both Phoenicians and Norse were traders, pirates and warriers. Especially the Norsemen (warriers)
I wonder if historical bloodline links is why Alice P. originally had a pirate as his avatar and now has the battle hemet and axe?
The ancient Norsemen, [maybe they cannot officially be called Vikings but they are still Norsemen and the same bloodline], were great sailors and they sailed to sunnier climes. Who could blame them with 24 hours darkness in the winter along with bitterly cold weather, snow and ice.
I guess the poor women stayed at home, in the bitter cold and darkness, looking after the children and the livestock. The men gave their names to a fair number of places around Greece and quite probably had their second "winter" families there. I am only guessing that.
Anyway we are diversifying, except that I think that modern traffickers quite possibly descended from the original traders and piraters. I would be very surprised if they didn't
And it is a possibility that Madeleine has been trafficked. We just dont know, altho I think not in the traditional way.
Care to backtrack here and remind everyone what all this so called history has to do with Madeleine McCann? just to make sure no one loses the plot....cos I sure as hell have....
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on September 01, 2015, 01:23:33 AM
Care to backtrack here and remind everyone what all this so called history has to do with Madeleine McCann? just to make sure no one loses the plot....cos I sure as hell have....
Would like Alice and Slarti to read it, then fine if the mods decide to delete it.
But it is true what I say.
Modern traffickers are most likely to be descended fro the pirates, traffickers and traders of old.
THeir income vanished with the good life when slave trading was stopped, [I think] a couple of centuries ago,
But they had all the contacts, all the sea navigating abilities, the boats, the know how etc. IMO, some of them just went "underground" and carried on in a different way.
IMO, such people are the traffickers of today.
To make it clear, there were others pirating etc. too. It wasn't just the decendants of the Phoenicians and the Norsemen.
Brits were at it too, the ancesters of the Templars were reputed to be pirates, and then the Barbary pirates from Morocco and N Africa. Probably others that I have no knowledge of.
Madeleine could have been trafficked, altho I think not in the accepted normal sort of way
Nigh night mercury
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 02, 2015, 08:43:27 PM
Would like Alice and Slarti to read it, then fine if the mods decide to delete it.
But it is true what I say.
Modern traffickers are most likely to be descended fro the pirates, traffickers and traders of old.
THeir income vanished with the good life when slave trading was stopped, [I think] a couple of centuries ago,
But they had all the contacts, all the sea navigating abilities, the boats, the know how etc. IMO, some of them just went "underground" and carried on in a different way.
IMO, such people are the traffickers of today.
To make it clear, there were others pirating etc. too. It wasn't just the decendants of the Phoenicians and the Norsemen.
Brits were at it too, the ancesters of the Templars were reputed to be pirates, and then the Barbary pirates from Morocco and N Africa. Probably others that I have no knowledge of.
Madeleine could have been trafficked, altho I think not in the accepted normal sort of way
Nigh night mercury
Do I feel an apology coming on for those black slaves in way gone by area who were stolen, tortured by their own people! Money hides a great many sins- it also helps to evade justice....$$$£££ talks.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on September 02, 2015, 10:02:26 PM
Do I feel an apology coming on for those black slaves in way gone by area who were stolen, tortured by their own people! Money hides a great many sins- it also helps to evade justice....$$$£££ talks.
A couple of years ago we visited Liverpool and walked around the Slave trade History museum there.
It was dreadful , the way that whole families were rounded up from their own villages, or were the spoils of war, then trafficked and sold on.
I think it still goes on, but in a more hidden way.
My bet is that a good many of the grand castles built around the world , were built by slave labour .... also most of the underground tunnels that seem to be around in various countries.
As you say money can hide a great many sins and can evade Justice
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 02, 2015, 10:31:46 PM
A couple of years ago we visited Liverpool and walked around the Slave trade History museum there.
It was dreadful , the way that whole families were rounded up from their own villages, or were the spoils of war, then trafficked and sold on.
I think it still goes on, but in a more hidden way.
My bet is that a good many of the grand castles built around the world , were built by slave labour .... also most of the underground tunnels that seem to be around in various countries.
As you say money can hide a great many sins and can evade Justice
oh Gawd I agree with Sadie on something-- quick fetch me a glass of water or something!
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on September 02, 2015, 10:34:40 PM
Would like Alice and Slarti to read it, then fine if the mods decide to delete it.
But it is true what I say.
Modern traffickers are most likely to be descended fro the pirates, traffickers and traders of old.
THeir income vanished with the good life when slave trading was stopped, [I think] a couple of centuries ago,
But they had all the contacts, all the sea navigating abilities, the boats, the know how etc. IMO, some of them just went "underground" and carried on in a different way.
IMO, such people are the traffickers of today.
To make it clear, there were others pirating etc. too. It wasn't just the decendants of the Phoenicians and the Norsemen.
Brits were at it too, the ancesters of the Templars were reputed to be pirates, and then the Barbary pirates from Morocco and N Africa. Probably others that I have no knowledge of.
Madeleine could have been trafficked, altho I think not in the accepted normal sort of way
Nigh night mercury
Sorry, you will have to explain why you think Madeleine McCann was trafficked and also "but not in a normal way" ...as for your historical lectures, too many errors and assumptions for me to take any of it seriously I'm afraid...keep reading though
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on September 07, 2015, 09:57:02 AM
British dad fears hospital staff swapped his newborn baby with another tot and sold his son to traffickers 0 COMMENTS 07:44, 7 SEPTEMBER 2015 UPDATED 08:29, 7 SEPTEMBER 2015 BY MATT ROPER "Someone took my child and I have no idea where he is, who is taking care of him, what has happened to him"
A British dad and his wife fear their newborn baby may have been swapped by hospital staff and sold to traffickers after DNA tests revealed a child they were given was not theirs.
Richard Cushworth and his devastated Salvadoran wife Mercedes Casanellas have launched a desperate appeal to find their son after fearing he was swiped in hospital who thought his light skin would catch a high price on the black market.
The couple, who live in the United States, travelled to El Salvador so Ms Casanellas could give birth in her home country.
But after giving birth, the pair decided to have a DNA test while back in the US after noticing the child did not look like either of them - and discovered to their horror that the child wasn't theirs.
In an emotional interview with a local TV station, a teary Ms Casanellas said: "We haven't been able to sleep thinking about where he is, and who has him.
"We just want them to give us our son back."
The parents fear their light-skinned baby was snatched deliberately by staff at the exclusive Ginecologico private hospital in the country's capital San Salvador to sell to child traffickers.
The family have reportedly already investigated all the other babies born at the hospital on the same day and found that all are with their correct parents - reinforcing their belief that their own son was stolen.
Mr Cushworth, who met Ms Casanellas when he worked as a missionary in El Salvador, said: "It's a horrible situation. I have a child and I don't know where he is.
"Someone took my child and I have no idea where he is, who is taking care of him, what has happened to him. Is he in the country? It's awful.
"I sometimes try not to think about this because it is so frightening."
Ms Casanella's obstretrician-gyneocologist, Dr Alejandra Guidos, who the couple accuse of masterminding the plot, was arrested on Thursday, according to their family's lawyer Francisco Meneses.
Ms Casanellas said that, from the fifth month of her pregnancy, she remembered how Dr Guidos would repeatedly tell her that her child would be dark-skinned, even though the father is white.
She said: "I always thought that was strange. How would he know that from the ultra-sound scans, and why would he keep saying it?"
Remembering her baby's birth, she said: "I was very stressed at first because the baby took a while to start breathing, but then I held him and remember thinking that he looked like my husband.
"He was very white and had similar features. I remember seeing his genitals and thinking that they were white and pinkish.
"But then the anesthetist came and told me that I was very nervous and that they were going to give me something to put me to sleep. After that I don't remember anything, until I woke up the next morning.
"Around 8am, they started to bring the babies to their mothers, and I waited for mine. But when I took him I saw that he was very different to the one I had held in the delivery room. When I changed his clothes I noticed that his genitals were very dark and not rosy like how I'd remembered.
"I said to the nurse, 'look, his genitals are very dark', and she told me, 'no, that's normal, that's normal'".
Ms Casanellas said photos she took of her baby son soon after the birth prove that the baby was white-skinned.
Despite the doubts, the couple took the baby back home to Dallas,, Texas, but over the coming months family and friends also noticed the child's darker colour and lack of resemblance with his parents.
Ms Casanellas said: "I would take photos of him and put them next to my husband, trying to find something of us in him. I kept trying to convince myself that he was really ours, that over time we would begin to see a resemblance.
"But my motherly instincts kept telling me that he wasn't mine."
The baby was three months old when the couple finally found to courage to take a DNA test, which showed he has a 0.00 per cent probability of being their son.
Desperate to find the baby she gave birth to, the couple rushed back to El Salvador.
At first San Salvador's Ginecologio hospital, considered the best private hospital in the country, denied that the baby could have been swapped, saying it was "impossible" due to their "high standards" of control.
But after Dr Guidos's arrest, following the family's high-profile TV interview, the hospital ordered an internal investigation and promised that the situation will be "rectified".
The country's Attorney General has now ordered a criminal investigation into the baby's disappearance amid claims a trafficking gang, led by Dr Guido, has been operating inside the hospital.
Ms Casanellas said: "I just want him to give me my baby back. I want to know that my child hasn't been trafficked or any other crime committed against him. I need my baby, I'm just asking for my baby."
The couple added that, if the true parents of the baby they were given are not found, they will raise him as their own.
She said: "If they can't find his mother, he already has parents, us. We are taking care of him and, even though we know he isn't our biological son, we still love him." http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/british-dad-fears-hospital-staff-6395250#rlabs=2%20sitewide
Sorry ... posted on wrong thread.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on December 19, 2016, 04:52:04 PM
I don't see the following report anywhere on the forum but needless to say it isn't Maddie.
Express 22 Nov 2016
Madeleine McCann FOUND? English-speaking girl called 'Maria' discovered in Rome
A HOMELESS teenager in Rome has received attention from across the globe with many people speculating that she is Madeleine McCann because of her appearance and her ability to speak English.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 02, 2018, 05:08:12 PM
Another mystery solved...
The rag girl of Rome finally returns home: Mystery homeless student, 21, who was once thought to be Madeleline McCann, is living back in Sweden with her father and wants to go back to university
Embla Jauhojarvi hit the news after she was spotted homeless in Rome and people believed she could be missing Madeleine McCann
It later emerged she was from Sweden and had vanished while studying abroad
Father Tahvo travelled to Italy in the hopes of convincing her to return home
He now says she has been living with him since August and is doing well
(http://i.imgur.com/vXOx0hK.jpg?1)
By Chris Pleasance for MailOnline Published on 2 January 2018
A Swedish student who was found sleeping rough on the streets of Rome has moved home and is living with her father, he has revealed.
Embla Jauhojarvi, 21, who was reunited with her family in November 2016 but initially refused to return home, has been living with father Tahvo in Stockholm since August.
Jauhojarvi, whose face was plastered across the papers after she was mistaken for Madeleine McCann, is healthier, happier and wants to restart her studies, he said.
Embla Jauhojarvi, a student from Sweden who was found homeless on the streets of Rome in 2016, has returned home to live with her father.
Speaking to the Sun, Tahvo said: 'She's living with me again. She can have a better future... and plan a little bit better. There was always hope.
'It was very nice because I was missing her so much and everything went very well when she came back again.
Tahvo said she initially refused to speak with him in Swedish and would not return home, but came back in August last year
'She wanted to start studying again so she's waiting for information from the university, she hasn't got that yet.
'I think she will start to read law school or economics or something like that.'
Embla disappeared in May 2016 after removing all of her pictures from the family albums before she was spotted in Rome in November.
While it was initially suspected that she could be Madeleine, Kate and Jerry McCann quickly ruled it out and the hunt for her real parents began.
In Sweden Tahvo caught sight of her picture online and immediately booked himself on a flight to Rome in order to be reunited with her.
He eventually found her in the secure unit of a hospital in the city, where she was refusing to speak her native language and insisted on using English or Italian.
Embla, who suffers from Asperger's syndrome, disappeared while her father was abroad on a trip to South Africa.
She secretly left Sweden and travelled to Italy to take a language course in the south of the country.
Embla, who suffers from Asperger's syndrome, went to Italy without telling anyone while her father was abroad on a trip to South Africa and didn't return.
When the course finished at the end of the summer she boarded a train to the capital Rome but failed to return home to Stockholm.
Mr Jauhojarvi explained: 'When I got home from South Africa I found Embla had vanished. She did not tell me she was going away. She did not leave a note. I didn't know what had become of her.
'After a couple of weeks I contacted the police and asked for help to find her. But they said she was over 18 was very little they could do.'
Mr Jauhojarvi said he never stopped looking for Embla but simply ran out of leads.
The rag girl of Rome finally returns home: Mystery homeless student, 21, who was once thought to be Madeleline McCann, is living back in Sweden with her father and wants to go back to university
Embla Jauhojarvi hit the news after she was spotted homeless in Rome and people believed she could be missing Madeleine McCann
It later emerged she was from Sweden and had vanished while studying abroad
Father Tahvo travelled to Italy in the hopes of convincing her to return home
He now says she has been living with him since August and is doing well
(http://i.imgur.com/vXOx0hK.jpg?1)
By Chris Pleasance for MailOnline Published on 2 January 2018
A Swedish student who was found sleeping rough on the streets of Rome has moved home and is living with her father, he has revealed.
Embla Jauhojarvi, 21, who was reunited with her family in November 2016 but initially refused to return home, has been living with father Tahvo in Stockholm since August.
Jauhojarvi, whose face was plastered across the papers after she was mistaken for Madeleine McCann, is healthier, happier and wants to restart her studies, he said.
Embla Jauhojarvi, a student from Sweden who was found homeless on the streets of Rome in 2016, has returned home to live with her father.
Speaking to the Sun, Tahvo said: 'She's living with me again. She can have a better future... and plan a little bit better. There was always hope.
'It was very nice because I was missing her so much and everything went very well when she came back again.
Tahvo said she initially refused to speak with him in Swedish and would not return home, but came back in August last year
'She wanted to start studying again so she's waiting for information from the university, she hasn't got that yet.
'I think she will start to read law school or economics or something like that.'
Embla disappeared in May 2016 after removing all of her pictures from the family albums before she was spotted in Rome in November.
While it was initially suspected that she could be Madeleine, Kate and Jerry McCann quickly ruled it out and the hunt for her real parents began.
In Sweden Tahvo caught sight of her picture online and immediately booked himself on a flight to Rome in order to be reunited with her.
He eventually found her in the secure unit of a hospital in the city, where she was refusing to speak her native language and insisted on using English or Italian.
Embla, who suffers from Asperger's syndrome, disappeared while her father was abroad on a trip to South Africa.
She secretly left Sweden and travelled to Italy to take a language course in the south of the country.
Embla, who suffers from Asperger's syndrome, went to Italy without telling anyone while her father was abroad on a trip to South Africa and didn't return.
When the course finished at the end of the summer she boarded a train to the capital Rome but failed to return home to Stockholm.
Mr Jauhojarvi explained: 'When I got home from South Africa I found Embla had vanished. She did not tell me she was going away. She did not leave a note. I didn't know what had become of her.
'After a couple of weeks I contacted the police and asked for help to find her. But they said she was over 18 was very little they could do.'
Mr Jauhojarvi said he never stopped looking for Embla but simply ran out of leads.
I'm surprised a girl with her problems was even allowed out unescorted never mind being left home alone to cope on her own.
I think it depends on how serious her condition is John. Maybe most of the time it is controlled by medication; but once children are adult and able to express their opinions if they can, I think the parents who may be beside themselves with worry, just have to go with it.
A similar situation must be having to allow an epileptic child, prone to fitting, out on his or her own walking and using public transport,
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 07, 2018, 07:32:59 PM
It appears MTI has added additional cites to her post. I tend to think the girl should be grateful for all the publicity as it has resulted in a rather good outcome if she has returned home. Her parents should gift a donation to the Find Madeleine Fund IMO.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on January 08, 2018, 12:17:34 PM
One of the first reports was that of 'George Burke' who saw a couple with a child who looked like Madeleine near Lagos marina. It was in all the British newspapers on 5th May. http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id399.htm
It is also mentioned in a statement aimed at the UK, not the Portuguese, police. The statement has a date of 4th May, and it's headed 'Information from the family'. How were the McCann family able to give this information to Leicestershire police about Burke/Brooks's sighting on 4th? Why was this said; 'The police have not yet spoken to this male'? http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GEORGE_BURKE_BROOKS.htm
It's not clear whether this man ever contacted the PJ.
His sighting hits the headlines again in November 2007, following which the PJ do get involved and go looking for him. They're told his whereabouts are unknown since he took off on 21st September. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GEORGE_BURKE_BROOKS.htm
It hit the news again in August 2008 saying the PJ never contacted him, but they did, in April 2008 after receiving Michael Wright's rog statement.
Where George disappeared to in September 2007 I don't know, but he was supposed to be resident in Burgau in May 2007. He still has relatives living there who put the PJ into contact with him in April 2008. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GEORGE_BURKE_BROOKS.htm
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anthro on July 26, 2019, 08:22:15 AM
Has anyone read Luis Moreno’s breakdown of his theory i.e. the Ibiza airport photo? He has posted it during May this year on his facebook page.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 26, 2019, 08:39:05 AM
Has anyone read Luis Moreno’s breakdown of his theory i.e. the Ibiza airport photo? He has posted it during May this year on his facebook page.
Could you PM me the link please?
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anthro on July 26, 2019, 11:12:33 AM
Hi Rob, it is in Portuguese but I have done a google translate. Will send it to you.
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on July 26, 2019, 11:44:17 AM
Is this the same Luiz Moreno who originally claimed the photo showed Madeleine in Brazil? http://laidbareblog.blogspot.com/2016/11/man-responsible-for-hoax-sightings-of.html
Title: Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 26, 2019, 12:25:46 PM
Is this the same Luiz Moreno who originally claimed the photo showed Madeleine in Brazil? http://laidbareblog.blogspot.com/2016/11/man-responsible-for-hoax-sightings-of.html
Moreno never claimed the photo was taken in Brazil; that was a journalistic error.
i) All the authorities that you deem necessary to participate, including the 33 detectives each with their own notebook pc (sic)
j) List of passengers of the Lufthansa flight, Ibiza to Munich, in which Mr. Bode saw Madeleine McCann (I will identify the bandits)
The pic which Ben Thompson stated the child pushing her captor's wheelchair is actually the child riding on her mother's back on a bicycle. Moreno appears to have been stalking the family for a long time.