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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: ShiningInLuz on September 29, 2015, 10:36:43 PM
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"Leugens & Misleiding", is a book that has very recently been published in Holland, authored by Peter Scharrenberg.
The title translates as "Lies and Misleading".
I'm sure that you will be able to find it on the Internet, but PLEASE do NOT post the publisher's blurb, or similar, on this forum. The forum rules do NOT allow such material and you have been clearly notified of this in advance.
The book has a central theorem that appears to be inviting the McCanns, and two other people, to sue for defamation.
And this post is simply to record the fact that yet another incredulous tale of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has been added to the repertoire.
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It is possible for a writer to reach bizarre or outlandish conclusions while also having insights that may genuinely be new. Fresh eyes will one day approach this case in a way or ways we all can't see.
I hope the book is genuine and not just someone or some individuals messing about. Genuinely fresh eyes and thoughts would be interesting.
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Admin advised me that if I wished to refer to this event, I should publish it in the news thread. Plus I should seriously refrain from quoting the core theory in here, as it might be considered in breach of civil law. Personally, I think the theorem is more likely to be seen in breach of common sense.
However, once again, I was polite and said that I would take Admin's advice.
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Admin advised me that if I wished to refer to this event, I should publish it in the news thread. Plus I should seriously refrain from quoting the core theory in here, as it might be considered in breach of civil law. Personally, I think the theorem is more likely to be seen in breach of common sense.
However, once again, I was polite and said that I would take Admin's advice.
Absolutely correct but we have decided to give it its own thread after all given its significance. This book unashamedly libels Gerry McCann by claiming that he was the man seen carrying a child that night. Needless to say, we will not be supporting that particular contention given the limited information still available about what occured that fateful evening.
Thank you again to ShiningInLuz for bringing this information to us, we believe it better to be published and then at least everyone knows where they stand. One last thing though, this anonymous author might take some finding.
(https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/vior-cdn/pumbo/nl/covers/9914248783207021.jpg)
http://www.boekenbestellen.nl/boek/leugens-misleiding/12782
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Absolutely correct but we have decided to give it its own thread after all given its significance. This book unashamedly libels Gerry McCann by claiming that he was the man seen carrying a child that night. Needless to say, we will not be supporting that particular contention given the limited information still available about what occured that fateful evening.
Thank you again to ShiningInLuz for bringing this information to us, we believe it better to be published and then at least everyone knows where they stand. One last thing though, this anonymous author might take some finding.
Thank you shinning and Admin for bringing this to our attention. I do not believe that Gerry killed his daughter, but it is interesting to read IF anyone does have a theory worth discussing.
Where is the Author?
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so an obscure dutch journalist has new information but rather than go to the police he decides to write a book...some people are so gullible
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so an obscure dutch journalist has new information but rather than go to the police he decides to write a book...some people are so gullible
So on a par with Summers and Swan then.
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No such thing as a bad book on the case. It'll be interesting (assuming it's genuine, and not some kind of hoax or scam).
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I suppose that compared with the 'book', everything else pales into insignificance. @)(++(*
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So on a par with Summers and Swan then.
I also said S&S would have no new facts and that there would be no untold story from poulton...right every time
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As Gerald Mccann acknowledged, everyone is entitled to an opinion. I don't expect he broke secrecy laws or is an ex-detective, so he should be safe so long as the facts in his book are also in the PJ Files.
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I also said S&S would have no new facts and that there would be no untold story from poulton...right every time
I wonder if this book will out sale S and S ?
Mind you, that won't be hard.
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No such thing as a bad book on the case. It'll be interesting (assuming it's genuine, and not some kind of hoax or scam).
it will be quite boring....
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I also said S&S would have no new facts and that there would be no untold story from poulton...right every time
You're so clever, davel. 8**8:/:
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it will be quite boring....
Never say never 8(>((
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You're so clever, davel. 8**8:/:
No comment. &%+((£
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You're so clever, davel. 8**8:/:
at least you've got something right
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it will be quite boring....
So even more boring than the mccann book.
Now that will take some doing.
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Never say never 8(>((
I didn't...you just did
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it will be quite boring....
Can we assume from that that you won't be reading it or commenting on it?
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at least you've got something right
I bet if you put your towering intellect to work you could tell us right now who abducted Madeleine, what time, how they did it, how they remained undetected and when (if ever) they will be caught. 8((()*/ No need for any more conjecture by foreign book writers needed then.
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Can we assume from that that you won't be reading it or commenting on it?
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first..it's in dutch ...secondly it's self published which removes what little credibility it has...but I will comment on it
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I suppose that compared with the 'book', everything else pales into insignificance. @)(++(*
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Yes, I suppose some would have been interested to read about how their daughters dissapearance affected their sex life... thanks to the Sun newspaper. eugh!
It will be interested if any UK MSM pick up on this...
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I bet if you put your towering intellect to work you could tell us right now who abducted Madeleine, what time, how they did it, how they remained undetected and when (if ever) they will be caught. 8((()*/ No need for any more conjecture by foreign book writers needed then.
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Marvelous! Your ability to make yourself clear with one-word answers is amazing! Or are you just tired of being praised now? I thought it made a nice change for someone else to do it, but if it bores you........
As to the topic, I shall wait and see if a translation is forthcoming and then decide how well thought-out it is, I think.
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Marvelous! Your ability to make yourself clear with one-word answers is amazing! Or are you just tired of being praised now? I thought it made a nice change for someone else to do it, but if it bores you........
As to the topic, I shall wait and see if a translation is forthcoming and then decide how well thought-out it is, I think.
I must confess I am a bit pessimistic about this one. But then the offer of a court challenge to sue the author does get my attention.
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Marvelous! Your ability to make yourself clear with one-word answers is amazing! Or are you just tired of being praised now? I thought it made a nice change for someone else to do it, but if it bores you........
As to the topic, I shall wait and see if a translation is forthcoming and then decide how well thought-out it is, I think.
do you really need to wait for a translation of a self published book written by dutch journalist who does not seem to exist... who claims to have important knowledge that no one else seem s to have heard of.....
Excuse my scepticism
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I must confess I am a bit pessimistic about this one. But then the offer of a court challenge to sue the author does get my attention.
When it is translated into English I will have a read out of curiosity to see what it contains,( quotes, sources, etc, and how these compare to known or unknown facts) and anyone who says they wouldn't be is being economical with the truth. I also expect the author has used a pseudonym.
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When it is translated into English I will have a read out of curiosity to see what it contains,( quotes, sources, etc, and how these compare to known or unknown facts) and anyone who says they wouldn't be is being economical with the truth. I also expect the author has used a pseudonym.
I will not read it
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Who cares.
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I suppose that compared with the 'book', everything else pales into insignificance. @)(++(*
I always wonder why some people poke fun at the Liverpool accent, can't think why, I'm not Liverpudlian but I should imagine those who are would be quite offended by it.
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I always wonder why some people poke fun at the Liverpool accent, can't think why, I'm not Liverpudlian but I should imagine those who are would be quite offended by it.
You don't know many scousers then.
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I always wonder why some people poke fun at the Liverpool accent, can't think why, I'm not Liverpudlian but I should imagine those who are would be quite offended by it.
I think the fun was being poked at the contents of the book rather than the accent of the writer. book is merely a phonetic description of book said in a Liverpool accent. I have a Lancashire accent and say book as in boo with a k added, rather than buk like southern people.
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I think the fun was being poked at the contents of the book rather than the accent of the writer. book is merely a phonetic description of book said in a Liverpool accent. I have a Lancashire accent and say book as in boo with a k added, rather than buk like southern people.
Why type 'book' it can only be to poke fun at the way it is pronounced.
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Why type 'book' it can only be to poke fun at the way it is pronounced.
it is hardly uncommon in human nature for people to take the mick out of others accents.
You do watch comedy shows I presume.
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it is hardly uncommon in human nature for people to take the mick out of others accents.
You do watch comedy shows I presume.
I don't notice anyone mocking other accents only Kate's, in the way the same people mock how she dresses etc. etc.
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I don't notice anyone mocking other accents only Kate's, in the way the same people mock how she dresses etc. etc.
Amaral has been mocked repeatedly for his appearance and demeanor.
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Let's not start with the insults, please. There is enough else to discuss.
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Amaral has been mocked repeatedly for his appearance and demeanor.
Anyone mocking his accent, I believe they call his book a book don't they?
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Anyone mocking his accent, I believe they call his book a book don't they?
A UK journo who rose above all others in childish insults, did not omit to also mock Mr Amaral's english ("no speak no speak"). But back on topic - a couple of posters here could probably sue the current author for stealing bits of their imaginary theories.
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It is possible for a writer to reach bizarre or outlandish conclusions while also having insights that may genuinely be new. Fresh eyes will one day approach this case in a way or ways we all can't see.
I hope the book is genuine and not just someone or some individuals messing about. Genuinely fresh eyes and thoughts would be interesting.
Scotland Yard.
I should stress, I am not particularly blowing the trumpet of Scotland Yard as vastly superior to the PJ, here, much of whose own work (not all!) in the shelved enquiry I am, quite genuinely, in awe of (including, and especially, the work of the GNR dog-handlers who first looked for Madeleine).
But it is a well-established phenomenon of human psyche that when one set of eyes (no matter whose) have been foucussed on an intractable problem for an extended period of time, a fresh set of eyes (again, no matter whose) can look at the same problem and spot something the first examiners simply missed.
The phenomenon is well established and recognised in domestic, UK, policing where officers of one force have failed to crack a crime and officers of a different force will be asked to re-examine the same crime (with fresh eyes).
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Scotland Yard.
I should stress, I am not particularly blowing the trumpet of Scotland Yard as vastly superior to the PJ, here, much of whose own work (not all!) in the shelved enquiry I am, quite genuinely, in awe of (including, and especially, the work of the GNR dog-handlers who first looked for Madeleine).
But it is a well-established phenomenon of human psyche that when one set of eyes (no matter whose) have been foucussed on an intractable problem for an extended period of time, a fresh set of eyes (again, no matter whose) can look at the same problem and spot something the first examiners simply missed.
The phenomenon is well established and recognised in domestic, UK, policing where officers of one force have failed to crack a crime and officers of a different force will be asked to re-examine the same crime (with fresh eyes).
Good points. A theory which is generally wrong may contain a small useful nugget of insight. And fresh eyes are very good - SY now have fresh eyes.
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Good points. A theory which is generally wrong may contain a small useful nugget of insight. And fresh eyes are very good - SY now have fresh eyes.
How long have they had fresh eyes for now ?
i.e. Since the 'investigation' was opened.
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How long have they had fresh eyes for now ?
i.e. Since the 'investigation' was opened.
4 years. I only first looked at this case 2 years ago and went straight to the statements in the files - Oct 2013.
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How long have they had fresh eyes for now ?
i.e. Since the 'investigation' was opened.
Since the new SIO (NW) took over.
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Since the new SIO (NW) took over.
Changes at the top both here and in Portugal from where we have been told
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A source on the Portuguese investigation said: 'This letter shows the investigation is still very much alive and that both British and Portuguese police are still working together to try to find out what happened to Madeleine.
'The case is not about to be shelved.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3222629/Portuguese-police-reveal-British-investigation-disappearance-Madeleine-McCann-live-Scotland-Yard-makes-fresh-request-information.html#ixzz3nUqKApOQ
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The same article also says:
snip>>>>>The request is the second made since DCI Nicola Wall took over Operation Grange from former boss Andy Redwood at the end of last year, but the first letter she will have been involved in preparing.
Regular meetings DCI Redwood held with his Portuguese counterparts in the Algarve city of Faro have been put on hold since DCI Wall took over*.<<<<<snip
*Maybe they have caught up with the concept of video conferences !
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The same article also says:
snip>>>>>The request is the second made since DCI Nicola Wall took over Operation Grange from former boss Andy Redwood at the end of last year, but the first letter she will have been involved in preparing.
Regular meetings DCI Redwood held with his Portuguese counterparts in the Algarve city of Faro have been put on hold since DCI Wall took over*.<<<<<snip
*Maybe they have caught up with the concept of video conferences !
Maybe they've been told to stop going backwards and forwards spending taxpayer's money on flights and hotels unless strictly necessary.
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The same article also says:
snip>>>>>The request is the second made since DCI Nicola Wall took over Operation Grange from former boss Andy Redwood at the end of last year, but the first letter she will have been involved in preparing.
Regular meetings DCI Redwood held with his Portuguese counterparts in the Algarve city of Faro have been put on hold since DCI Wall took over*.<<<<<snip
*Maybe they have caught up with the concept of video conferences !
That change, I believe, tells us something about what is going on within OG at this time.
Video conferences are fine for routine, repetitive progress updates. They are pretty much useless for key meetings, where you want body language feedback, ability to dig out additional data and the such like.
Nicola Wall's Lisbon 'summit' was with all the key players, so video conference was a non-starter.
But why waste time on face-to-face overseas meetings every month, if what you are saying is 'we are making progress, we are following up leads"?
If/when another face-to-face meeting occurs in Faro, it will be the sign that there are more developments ahead.