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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: faithlilly on October 02, 2015, 11:38:33 PM
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It would seem the OFM and Missing People have blocked Ben Needham's twitter account. So much for helping the families of other missing children !!
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It would seem the OFM and Missing People have blocked Ben Needham's twitter account. So much for helping the families of other missing children !!
wtf it says because they dotn want to assosiate with some people who follow bens twitter wtf do they think they are god??
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wtf it says because they dotn want to assosiate with some people who follow bens twitter wtf do they think they are god??
No just stupid and petty and got all ther priorities wrong, looks like it's going to another own goal, maybe they should sack their webmaster
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wtf it says because they dotn want to assosiate with some people who follow bens twitter wtf do they think they are god??
It's bad enough that the OFM has seen fit to act in this way but for a charity tasked with spreading information about missing people to behave in this way too is truly shocking.
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It's bad enough that the OFM has seen fit to act in this way but for a charity tasked with spreading information about missing people to behave in this way too is truly shocking.
Kate McCann who is ambassador for Missing People should be looking into the little pathetic fiasco and sorting it out or make a statement...Kerry will NOT be happy with this latest adolescent behaviour of the FM page s so called anonymous master and some total dumbo at Missing People, someone has to explain ...how sad can anyone get...and if she can't speak for Missing People they certainly have to speak for themselves!!!
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Kate McCann who is ambassador for Missing People should be looking into the little pathetic fiasco and sorting it out or make a statement...Kerry will NOT be happy with this latest adolescent behaviour of the FM page s so called anonymous master..someone has to explain ...how sad can anyone get
I understand several newspapers have been informed, via Twitter, of the actions of not only OFM campaign but also Missing People so let's hope one of them has the nerve to print the story. Can't see the fact that Missing People is consciously failing to publicise Ben's plight going down well with donators.
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I understand several newspapers have been informed, via Twitter, of the actions of not only OFM campaign but also Missing People so let's hope one of them has the nerve to print the story. Can't see the fact that Missing People is consciously failing to publicise Ben's plight going down well with donators.
https://www.missingpeople.org.uk/help-us-find/ben-needham
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I understand several newspapers have been informed, via Twitter, of the actions of not only OFM campaign but also Missing People so let's hope one of them has the nerve to print the story. Can't see the fact that Missing People is consciously failing to publicise Ben's plight going down well with donators.
The sun might print trolls cause this...while not mentioning the ofm campaign and MP are "hindering the search" ....by chldishly blocking whole hashtags and very very chldish it is...and especially extremely unprofessional for MP
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https://www.missingpeople.org.uk/help-us-find/ben-needham
And MP have still blocked @findbenneedham on Twitter.
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https://www.missingpeople.org.uk/help-us-find/ben-needham
If the twitter button is still active ... as it is on Ben's page on Missing People ... doesn't that mean twitter is not blocked?
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I understand several newspapers have been informed, via Twitter, of the actions of not only OFM campaign but also Missing People so let's hope one of them has the nerve to print the story. Can't see the fact that Missing People is consciously failing to publicise Ben's plight going down well with donators.
Disgusting behaviour, but hardly surprising.
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No doubt their slick PR machine will swing into action to refute this foul allegation.
If it doesn't, then we can draw our own conclusions.
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No doubt their slick PR machine will swing into action to refute this foul allegation.
If it doesn't, then we can draw our own conclusions.
Bless them, the supporters over on Twitter are doing their best, mainly by attacking Kerry personally it would seem.
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Bless them, the supporters over on Twitter are doing their best, mainly by attacking Kerry personally it would seem.
always have to have a scapegoat dont they
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Bless them, the supporters over on Twitter are doing their best, mainly by attacking Kerry personally it would seem.
I think we need a little something more than that. A press release from the top of some handy steps, perhaps.
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Have a look on Twitter Lace. The webmaste's explanation, speedily deleted, has been screen capped for posterity.
Quick Faithlilly look on Greek twitter Find Ben Needham, Missing people have declared they have NOT blocked Ben Needham twitter screen cap it for posterity will you?
edited to add - the post is on the English twitter now too. They clarify they have not blocked the find Ben Needham twitter tag.
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Quick Faithlilly look on Greek twitter Find Ben Needham, Missing people have declared they have NOT blocked Ben Needham twitter screen cap it for posterity will you?
edited to add - the post is on the English twitter now too. They clarify they have not blocked the find Ben Needham twitter tag.
Shall we wait for OFM to do the same ?
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Quick Faithlilly look on Greek twitter Find Ben Needham, Missing people have declared they have NOT blocked Ben Needham twitter screen cap it for posterity will you?
I don't know how it works, Lace, not being a tweeter myself; but it struck me as rather strange that the button on Ben's page on the Missing People website would have allowed me access if I had had a login; I did ask the question in the wee small hours.
I have checked a well known forum who are not renowned for approval of Madeleine (by their deeds shall ye know them) and her family ... and they don't appear to have leapt onto this hysterical bandwagon.
I think one must view all these bubbles with patience until the truth eventually emerges ... just as Kerry Needham who is known to be sympathetic to Madeleine's family may very well not have said exactly the headline grabbing words attributed to her in the red tops.
As my gran would say ... "It'll all come out in the wash."
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I don't know how it works, Lace, not being a tweeter myself; but it struck me as rather strange that the button on Ben's page on the Missing People website would have allowed me access if I had had a login; I did ask the question in the wee small hours.
I have checked a well known forum who are not renowned for approval of Madeleine (by their deeds shall ye know them) and her family ... and they don't appear to have leapt onto this hysterical bandwagon.
I think one must view all these bubbles with patience until the truth eventually emerges ... just as Kerry Needham who is known to be sympathetic to Madeleine's family may very well not have said the headline grabbing words attributed to her in the red tops.
As my gran would say ... "It'll all come out in the wash."
Yes, I agree.
I've read Kerry's book and she does sympathise with the McCann's, she said she thought it was terrible they were being accused of having something to do with the disappearance of Madeleine. Kerry doesn't begrudge what the McCann's get, she said she would have done exactly the same in their shoes, but is sad that Ben isn't getting the same, I wish he was.
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Have a look on Twitter Lace. The webmaste's explanation, speedily deleted, has been screen capped for posterity.
Not that screencaps can't be faked, of course ....
http://www.labnol.org/internet/fake-screenshots/20242/
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But you read it and then come grumbling and accusing people in here about what is said all the time, instead of having it out with them, now whose the prize cowardly t wat?
Nitey nite don't let the Twitter t wats bite
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I don't read the McCann hashtag anymore, haven't done so for years, it's populated by the most spiteful, childish, inane and insane tweeters on the net - on both sides of the argument (though the sceptics outnumber the supporters by at least 10 to one). Twitter tw..s the lot of them.
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From Official Madeleine Campaign site on Facebook.
This is the last time I will address this issue. Gerry and Kate do not use social media and have asked me to manage the social media accounts for our campaign. If you have questions regarding our social media accounts, please Email me at Webmaster@findmadeleine.com. I will not answer questions directly on social media.
In the past couple of weeks, there has been a concerted effort to get people to stop looking for Madeleine. Some argue the search costs too much, others say it's hopeless. We don't believe the search for Madeleine is hopeless and putting up polls asking if the search should stop is not only crass, it's cruel. How can one put a price on the life of a child?
With that being said, I, and I alone, have made the decision to block ANYONE who thwarts the search for Madeleine via social media--whether that be with running commentary on the investigation, posting negative comments about the search/investigation/cost, or saying Madeleine is a lost cause. We believe Madeleine is alive and we have great faith in The Met.
If you cannot be supportive of the search for Madeleine, please unlike/unfollow our social media pages. We want people who are hopeful and actually care about Madeleine being found supporting us. WE NEED YOUR HELP to find her and we don't want negative comments filling our feeds. I hope all can understand how we need to remain positive and hopeful Madeleine will come home. We need you to be positive and hopeful too. Thank you to ALL who care about Madeleine and want her to be found and reunited with her family. We are extremely grateful for your support!
~FM Webmaster
http://m.facebook.com/Official.Find.Madeleine.Campaign/posts/10153668938044931?fref=nf
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From Official Madeleine Campaign site on Facebook.
This is the last time I will address this issue. Gerry and Kate do not use social media and have asked me to manage the social media accounts for our campaign. If you have questions regarding our social media accounts, please Email me at Webmaster@findmadeleine.com. I will not answer questions directly on social media.
In the past couple of weeks, there has been a concerted effort to get people to stop looking for Madeleine. Some argue the search costs too much, others say it's hopeless. We don't believe the search for Madeleine is hopeless and putting up polls asking if the search should stop is not only crass, it's cruel. How can one put a price on the life of a child?
With that being said, I, and I alone, have made the decision to block ANYONE who thwarts the search for Madeleine via social media--whether that be with running commentary on the investigation, posting negative comments about the search/investigation/cost, or saying Madeleine is a lost cause. We believe Madeleine is alive and we have great faith in The Met.
If you cannot be supportive of the search for Madeleine, please unlike/unfollow our social media pages. We want people who are hopeful and actually care about Madeleine being found supporting us. WE NEED YOUR HELP to find her and we don't want negative comments filling our feeds. I hope all can understand how we need to remain positive and hopeful Madeleine will come home. We need you to be positive and hopeful too. Thank you to ALL who care about Madeleine and want her to be found and reunited with her family. We are extremely grateful for your support!
~FM Webmaster
http://m.facebook.com/Official.Find.Madeleine.Campaign/posts/10153668938044931?fref=nf
It is no secret that it is Kate McCann herself who runs the OFM campaign despite her attempts to distance herself from comments on Facebook. Her claims to be fully supportive of the MET are a massive fail. SY don't believe for a minute that Maddie is still alive otherwise why spend a week and a fortune digging up Praia da Luz looking for remains?
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From Official Madeleine Campaign site on Facebook.
This is the last time I will address this issue. Gerry and Kate do not use social media and have asked me to manage the social media accounts for our campaign. If you have questions regarding our social media accounts, please Email me at Webmaster@findmadeleine.com. I will not answer questions directly on social media.
In the past couple of weeks, there has been a concerted effort to get people to stop looking for Madeleine. Some argue the search costs too much, others say it's hopeless. We don't believe the search for Madeleine is hopeless and putting up polls asking if the search should stop is not only crass, it's cruel. How can one put a price on the life of a child?
With that being said, I, and I alone, have made the decision to block ANYONE who thwarts the search for Madeleine via social media--whether that be with running commentary on the investigation, posting negative comments about the search/investigation/cost, or saying Madeleine is a lost cause. We believe Madeleine is alive and we have great faith in The Met.
If you cannot be supportive of the search for Madeleine, please unlike/unfollow our social media pages. We want people who are hopeful and actually care about Madeleine being found supporting us. WE NEED YOUR HELP to find her and we don't want negative comments filling our feeds. I hope all can understand how we need to remain positive and hopeful Madeleine will come home. We need you to be positive and hopeful too. Thank you to ALL who care about Madeleine and want her to be found and reunited with her family. We are extremely grateful for your support!
~FM Webmaster
http://m.facebook.com/Official.Find.Madeleine.Campaign/posts/10153668938044931?fref=nf
Well said FM Webmaster, who most certainly is NOT Kate McCann, but someone who clearly does care about the fate of Madeleine and believes in a positive outcome to the investigation.
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Well said FM Webmaster, who most certainly is NOT Kate McCann, but someone who clearly does care about the fate of Madeleine and believes in a positive outcome to the investigation.
So you believe Madeleine is alive ?
How would you know who or who isn't the FM Webmaster ?
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So you believe Madeleine is alive ?
How would you know who or who isn't the FM Webmaster ?
There's no point me answering either of those questions Stephen - the first one I've already made my position very clear on, the second is actually none of your business and you wouldn't believe my answer anyway.
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Well said FM Webmaster, who most certainly is NOT Kate McCann, but someone who clearly does care about the fate of Madeleine and believes in a positive outcome to the investigation.
Nobody said she was the webmaster but the McCanns can access the site any time they want. Nothing and I mean NOTHING gets posted there without their say so.
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There's no point me answering either of those questions Stephen - the first one I've already made my position very clear on, the second is actually none of your business and you wouldn't believe my answer anyway.
Unless you are in contact and/or representing the mccanns, you would not know the answer to the second question.
As the first question, I am grounded in reality, not flights of fantasy.
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Nobody said she was the webmaster but the McCanns can access the site any time they want. Nothing and I mean NOTHING gets posted there without their say so.
Probably because they know the Wright people 8(0(*
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Nobody said she was the webmaster but the McCanns can access the site any time they want. Nothing and I mean NOTHING gets posted there without their say so.
Are you part of the inner sanctum then? You speak with great authority.
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Interesting that nearly 7000 people have liked that post on FM. I expect they were all paid to like it but nonetheless an impressive result. 8((()*/
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Are you part of the inner sanctum then? You speak with great authority.
Be in no doubt Alfie, she controls her own social media.
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Be in no doubt Alfie, she controls her own social media.
And you know this because....?
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Also good to see that over 1200 paid shills have written supportive comments under that post - who knew there were so many of us! 8((()*/
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Interesting that nearly 7000 people have liked that post on FM. I expect they were all paid to like it but nonetheless an impressive result. 8((()*/
How many of those 'likes' know what the mccanns actually did rather than the UK press fed stories ?
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How many of those 'likes' know what the mccanns actually did rather than the UK press fed stories ?
What did they actually do that you know about but the gormless British public don't?
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How many of those 'likes' know what the mccanns actually did rather than the UK press fed stories ?
Doesn't really matter, its not as if they get to change anything.
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What did they actually do that you know about but the gormless British public don't?
Well I suggest you ask a few average people in the street if they know what the mccanns.
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Also good to see that over 1200 paid shills have written supportive comments under that post - who knew there were so many of us! 8((()*/
So you speak for the believers now Alfie?
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Well I suggest you ask a few average people in the street if they know what the mccanns.
For me it's not so much what they did but what they failed to do. Eight years have now passed and how much physical searching have either of them personally undertaken in Portugal in all that time? To put it frankly Alfie, they disgust me.
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For me it's not so much what they did but what they failed to do.
Quite right Angelo. I should have said that.
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So you speak for the believers now Alfie?
FFS, it was a joke.
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For me it's not so much what they did but what they failed to do.
Who in the world does not know about the McCanns "failures" as parents? It's an integral part of the story. Do you really imagine that all those people leaving supportive comments on OFM are unaware that the McCanns left their kids unattended?
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For me it's not so much what they did but what they failed to do. Eight years have now passed and how much physical searching have either of them personally undertaken in Portugal in all that time?
Are you deliberately trying to take this thread off topic?
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Are you deliberately trying to take this thread off topic?
My comments are very much on topic. The McCanns are blocking every Facebook user who questions them, just like Kate blocked pertinent questions being asked by the Portuguese police back in 2007.
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My comments are very much on topic. The McCanns are blocking every Facebook user who questions them, just like Kate blocked pertinent questions being asked by the Portuguese police back in 2007.
So basically we can all use this thread to catalogue all the questions we have about the McCanns then can we? OK, lets continue the theme:
What sort of a mother can laugh days after their child goes missing? There are photos of Kate smiling at balloons outside a church in PdL and I think it's a disgrace. If my child disappeared I would never smile again. How dare she!!!!!
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For me it's not so much what they did but what they failed to do. Eight years have now passed and how much physical searching have either of them personally undertaken in Portugal in all that time? To put it frankly Alfie, they disgust me.
am I allowed to say that your posts disgusts me
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Let's all express our disgust for each other, the McCanns and life in general - this is the thread for it I think...
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Well I suggest you ask a few average people in the street if they know what the mccanns.
I have spoken to a few average people and I have never encountered the hatred and nastiness seen on this and other forums
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My comments are very much on topic. The McCanns are blocking every Facebook user who questions them, just like Kate blocked pertinent questions being asked by the Portuguese police back in 2007.
people who don't support them are blocked ...quite reasonable to me
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people who don't support them are blocked ...quite reasonable to me
Yep. I think you'd find that if you had a single positive thing to say about the McCanns on one of the "sceptic" facebook pages you'd be booted into touch within minutes.
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I have spoken to a few average people and I have never encountered the hatred and nastiness seen on this and other forums
'hatred and nastiness'
Really ?
Or in reality, you'd rather not people discuss what the mccanns plainly failed to do, and instead like them, play the blame game with other people.
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'hatred and nastiness'
Really ?
Or in reality, you'd rather not people discuss what the mccanns plainly failed to do, and instead like them, play the blame game with other people.
yes hatred and nastiness...it is here today on this forum.......I have met people who criticise the mccanns for leaving the children...but they have sympathy for them...not the hatred and nastiness I see online
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people who don't support them are blocked ...quite reasonable to me
If people who were inimical to the aims of the Facebook page set up on behalf of a missing child were posting in an effort to derail the search for her ... it is they who are disgusting most definitely not the Web Master.
We have seen similar behaviour with the organised campaign against the CrimeWatch programme set up to publicise appeals for information when Madeleine McCann's case was reopened.
Quite obviously the last person in the world who is given the benefit of a kind thought by those who participate in the campaigns organised against her ... is Madeleine McCann.
If there was ever the slightest doubt that there are those who wish to see Madeleine McCann's case closed before she is found ... the Web Master's decision to block them from her official Facebook page and the reason given for so doing confirms it.
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yes hatred and nastiness...it is here today on this forum.......I have met people who criticise the mccanns for leaving the children...but they have sympathy for them...not the hatred and nastiness I see online
That is your 'perception'.
Sympathy for people who are the responsible their actions, from which Madeleine suffered the consequences ?
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That is your 'perception'.
Sympathy for people who are the responsible their actions, from which Madeleine suffered the consequences ?
There are thousands of people expressing sympathy for the McCanns right now on FB - I know this is anathema to you, but nonetheless it is happening. How do you account for this?
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That is your 'perception'.
Sympathy for people who are the responsible their actions, from which Madeleine suffered the consequences ?
I see your post has now been moderated from its original nastiness
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There are thousands of people expressing sympathy for the McCanns right now on FB - I know this is anathema to you, but nonetheless it is happening. How do you account for this?
Gullibility ?
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I see your post has now been moderated from its original nastiness
Nobody else did.
Now tell me dave, who are responsible for leaving their children in an unlocked apartment, to go to eat and drink ?
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Nobody else did.
Now tell me dave, who are responsible for leaving their children in an unlocked apartment, to go to eat and drink ?
refer to my previous answer
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There are thousands of people expressing sympathy for the McCanns right now on FB - I know this is anathema to you, but nonetheless it is happening. How do you account for this?
and how many millions of people aren't supporting them on facebook ? 8(>((
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refer to my previous answer
Good, you agree then.
The mccanns are responsible for leaving their children by themselves, and completely unprotected.
We have made progress.
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and how many millions of people aren't supporting them on facebook ? 8(>((
and how many billions are not contributing to amarals fund
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Nobody else did.
Now tell me dave, who are responsible for leaving their children in an unlocked apartment, to go to eat and drink ?
The Web Master on Madeleine's page claims to have blocked people who are trying "to thwart the search for Madeleine via social media" ... how does that tie in with what you are saying?
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The Web Master on Madeleine's page claims to have blocked people who are trying "to thwart the search for Madeleine via social media" ... how does that tie in with what you are saying?
How do you 'thwart' a police investigation ? Oh yes, you refuse to answer their questions.
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Gullibility ?
No, I don't think so. But even so, better gullible and kind, than cynical and nasty IMO.
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and how many billions are not contributing to amarals fund
True and for the mccanns as well.
However, people have donated far more to Amaral this year than the mccanns.
Well done to them. 8@??)( 8@??)(
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The Web Master on Madeleine's page claims to have blocked people who are trying "to thwart the search for Madeleine via social media" ... how does that tie in with what you are saying?
Who is thwarting the search ?
What a load of cobblers.
and neither did the book. 8)-)))
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How do you search via social media?
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No, I don't think so. But even so, better gullible and kind, than cynical and nasty IMO.
I prefer informed and honest.
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How do you search via social media?
You can raise awareness through social media. anyway, some people believe that you can solve crimes and get Justice 4 Maddie via social media..
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So no actual searching - thought not.
What is social awareness supposed to achieve ?
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You can raise awareness through social media. anyway, some people believe that you can solve crimes and get Justice 4 Maddie via social media..
So people typing on keyboards.
WOW.
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There are thousands of people expressing sympathy for the McCanns right now on FB - I know this is anathema to you, but nonetheless it is happening. How do you account for this?
I can't help but wonder if the webmaster had been honest about who they have blocked, the representatives of another mother still searching for her child, how 'sympathetic' the folks on FB would be then ?
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From Official Madeleine Campaign site on Facebook.
This is the last time I will address this issue. Gerry and Kate do not use social media and have asked me to manage the social media accounts for our campaign. If you have questions regarding our social media accounts, please Email me at Webmaster@findmadeleine.com. I will not answer questions directly on social media.
In the past couple of weeks, there has been a concerted effort to get people to stop looking for Madeleine. Some argue the search costs too much, others say it's hopeless. We don't believe the search for Madeleine is hopeless and putting up polls asking if the search should stop is not only crass, it's cruel. How can one put a price on the life of a child?
With that being said, I, and I alone, have made the decision to block ANYONE who thwarts the search for Madeleine via social media--whether that be with running commentary on the investigation, posting negative comments about the search/investigation/cost, or saying Madeleine is a lost cause. We believe Madeleine is alive and we have great faith in The Met.
If you cannot be supportive of the search for Madeleine, please unlike/unfollow our social media pages. We want people who are hopeful and actually care about Madeleine being found supporting us. WE NEED YOUR HELP to find her and we don't want negative comments filling our feeds. I hope all can understand how we need to remain positive and hopeful Madeleine will come home. We need you to be positive and hopeful too. Thank you to ALL who care about Madeleine and want her to be found and reunited with her family. We are extremely grateful for your support!
~FM Webmaster
http://m.facebook.com/Official.Find.Madeleine.Campaign/posts/10153668938044931?fref=nf
The FM Facebook page has always blocked "non supporters", PDQ,so is this all about their FM Twitter account blocking the FindBen Twitter account? "Because they didn't want to be associated with some of the people that account followed"?
Also, not sure who they are talking about there, people who thwart the search, set up polls and make comments on the investigation, the MSM? The Met? Closer magazine? (Didn't the OFM FB page publish the Closer magazine poll on ther page a few weeks ago and were telling people how to vote?) it's their prerogative to do what they want but blocking a missing child Twitter account was one badass decision..whether it was the mysterious webmaster or KM herself or both.
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I can't help but wonder if the webmaster had been honest about who they have blocked, the representatives of another mother still searching for her child, how 'sympathetic' the folks on FB would be then ?
I'm sure they'd continue to be very understanding, after all the reasons why they were blocked have been explained and have been well supported
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I prefer informed and honest.
Are you of the opinion that the thousands of people who support the McCanns (I am one of them) are neither informed, nor honest? Really??
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I'm sure they'd continue to be very understanding, after all the reasons why they were blocked have been explained and have been well supported
Then why do you suppose the webmaster wasn't more honest about who specifically was being blocked ?
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I'm sure they'd continue to be very understanding, after all the reasons why they were blocked have been explained and have been well supported
I agree.
IIRC Kerry Needham - as well as Sarah Payne are not strangers to similar abuse at times. Sarah Payne was forced to close her Twitter account because of the abuse being directed at her. How cruel is that.
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So no actual searching - thought not.
What is social awareness supposed to achieve ?
Raising awareness via social media - it's what McCann seceptics have been busting a gut on twitter to achieve ie spreading the word that the McCanns dunnit. They tell us that their support is growing day by day, I guess they hope that eventually the sheer force of numbers of sceptics will force the police to cast aside the judicial process and bang the McCs up and throw away the key, or something. I'm not quite sure actually,,,
In the case of missing people social media can be useful to publicise details of those missing, what they look like, etc, thus raising awareness about their cases.
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Raising awareness via social media - it's what McCann seceptics have been busting a gut on twitter to achieve ie spreading the word that the McCanns dunnit. They tell us that their support is growing day by day, I guess they hope that eventually the sheer force of numbers of sceptics will force the police to cast aside the judicial process and bang the McCs up and throw away the key, or something. I'm not quite sure actually,,,
In the case of missing people social media can be useful to publicise details of those missing, what they look like, etc, thus raising awareness about their cases.
Raising awareness ???
This case has been in the public eye for over 8 years. 8**8:/:
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Then why do you suppose the webmaster wasn't more honest about who specifically was being blocked ?
what do you mean by that? Should they be publishing a full list of names of all they have blocked on a daily basis?
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Raising awareness via social media - it's what McCann seceptics have been busting a gut on twitter to achieve ie spreading the word that the McCanns dunnit. They tell us that their support is growing day by day, I guess they hope that eventually the sheer force of numbers of sceptics will force the police to cast aside the judicial process and bang the McCs up and throw away the key, or something. I'm not quite sure actually,,,
In the case of missing people social media can be useful to publicise details of those missing, what they look like, etc, thus raising awareness about their cases.
So essentially meaningless to the millions who don't subscribe to these sites.
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what do you mean by that? Should they be publishing a full list of names of all they have blocked on a daily basis?
Why should People be blocked, merely because they don't toe the mccann line.
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Raising awareness ???
This case has been in the public eye for over 8 years. 8**8:/:
Worldwide too, so that part is a bit of a joke, unless they want to reach the vast undiscovered lands across the earth but there's no internet or Facebook there, at least not for the few natives
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Worldwide too, so that part is a bit of a joke, unless they want to reach the vast undiscovered lands across the earth but there's no internet or Facebook there, at least not for the few natives
Precisely.
The argument they give to justify their actions is beyond repair.
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Why should People be blocked, merely because they don't toe the mccann line.
Now that is an excellent question, unless they are trolling, any innocuous questions should be answered with ease and dealt with, IE what's Scotland yards progress? Good thanks, not "we don't accept questions like that in here" ..but they've decided their page is for prayers, hope, ordering merchandise and publicising other cases
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I agree.
IIRC Kerry Needham - as well as Sarah Payne are not strangers to similar abuse at times. Sarah Payne was forced to close her Twitter account because of the abuse being directed at her. How cruel is that.
And how cruel is it to block Kerry's tweets publicising her son's disappeance ? Think about how many thousands of retweets that equates to and how much damage that one single act of spite may be causing her campaign to find her son.
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Precisely.
The argument they give to justify their actions is beyond repair.
For some reason the parents have always been hoisted by ther own petard...perhaps Jeremy paxman was right when he said they reaped a whrlwind, they certainly did, they IMO have made quite a few very bad decisions along the years
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And how cruel is it to block Kerry's tweets publicising her son's disappeance ? Think about how many thousands of retweets that equates to and how much damage that one single act of spite may be causing her campaign to find her son.
Well apparently - according to posters on here - publicising your missing child year after year is a waste of time anyway. If Madeleine hasn't been found after 8 years - then what chance does Ben stand after 23 years?
It seems to me that some people want it both ways i.e. it's wrong for the McCanns to want to keep Madeleine's profile as high as possible for as long as possible - but perfectly fine for Kerry to want to do exactly the same for Ben.
Poor Madeleine - as she is the person they actually want people to forget.
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For some reason the parents have always been hoisted by ther own petard...perhaps Jeremy paxman was right when he said they reaped a whrlwind, they certainly did, they IMO have made quite a few very bad decisions along the years
One of the biggest being to appoint such an immature, socially inept individual as their webmaster.
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So essentially meaningless to the millions who don't subscribe to these sites.
yes, so?
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One of the biggest being to appoint such an immature, socially inept individual as their webmaster.
We know you've had a run in with this person before, it's personal with you isn't it?
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Well apparently - according to posters on here - publicising your missing child year after year is a waste of time anyway. If Madeleine hasn't been found after 8 years - then what chance does Ben stand after 23 years?
It seems to me that some people want it both ways i.e. it's wrong for the McCanns to want to keep Madeleine's profile as high as possible for as long as possible - but perfectly fine for Kerry to want to do exactly the same for Ben.
Poor Madeleine - as she is the person they actually want people to forget.
The McCanns, however, believe the best chance of finding their child is to keep her profile high so why in heaven's name would they consciously thwart Kerry's efforts to do that too ? It really is too cruel to contemplate.
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One of the biggest being to appoint such an immature, socially inept individual as their webmaster.
I wouldn't argue with you there
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Well apparently - according to posters on here - publicising your missing child year after year is a waste of time anyway. If Madeleine hasn't been found after 8 years - then what chance does Ben stand after 23 years?
It seems to me that some people want it both ways i.e. it's wrong for the McCanns to want to keep Madeleine's profile as high as possible for as long as possible - but perfectly fine for Kerry to want to do exactly the same for Ben.
Poor Madeleine - as she is the person they actually want people to forget.
Dont be such a drama queen and insulting to boot.
You cannot compare the two cases for a start. "Put thinking cap on"
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We know you've had a run in with this person before, it's personal with you isn't it?
I've thwarted some of her attempts at propaganda if that's what you mean but no, it was never personal.
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Propaganda in a mssing child case, who would have thunk it ever necessary.......
&%+((£
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The McCanns, however, believe the best chance of finding their child is to keep her profile high so why in heaven's name would they consciously thwart Kerry's efforts to do that too ? It really is too cruel to contemplate.
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Only in your opinion. I don't believe for a second that Kerry Needham would be callous enough to agree with you.
She's is no stranger to abuse herself and IMO will understand completely. She just wants Ben to be found - in the same way the McCanns just want Madeleine to be found. She supports the McCanns and IMO - unlike some sceptics - the idea of continuously looking for new sticks to beat the McCanns with - will not feature in her agenda in any way shape or form.
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I thnk Kerry Needham might be a bit miffed with the fact that the Madeleine Twitter account has blocked hers because the Mccanns account admin didn't like some of the people Kerry's account followed,don't you think Benice?
Zzzzz
Ps if you write to them perhaps mention that the Ben account follows all followers after they have posted their good wishes and doesn't spend 24/7/365 reading all their followers postings or who else they follow, it's all a little crazy, as I said shot themselves in the foot here big time by being so utterly petty at best
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Raising awareness ???
This case has been in the public eye for over 8 years. 8**8:/:
What is your objection to Madeleine McCann's case being kept in the public eye for over eight years?
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Only in your opinion. I don't believe for a second that Kerry Needham would be callous enough to agree with you.
She's is no stranger to abuse herself and IMO will understand completely. She just wants Ben to be found - in the same way the McCanns just want Madeleine to be found. She supports the McCanns and IMO - unlike some sceptics - the idea of continuously looking for new sticks to beat the McCanns with - will not feature in her agenda in any way shape or form.
Are you being serious ? Do you really believe Kerry will understand that the McCanns, through their representative, has, through no fault of hers, arbitrarily decided to block her campaign on Twitter and thus affect the chances of her son being found ?
Kerry will be feeling many things at this time, bemused and bewildered among them but one thing I can assure you no mother will feel towards those who have callously betrayed her son and that's supportive.
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I've thwarted some of her attempts at propaganda if that's what you mean but no, it was never personal.
The way you've just denigrated her on this thread would suggest otherwise.
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Are you being serious ? Do you really believe Kerry will understand that the McCanns, through their representative, has, through no fault of hers, arbitrarily decided to block her campaign on Twitter and thus affect the chances of her son being found ?
Kerry will be feeling many things at this time, bemused and bewildered among them but one thing I can assure you no mother will feel towards those who have callously betrayed her son and that's supportive.
Please grow up Faithlilly, you're making mountains out of molehills. "callously betrayed" my arse.
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Please grow up Faithlilly, you're making mountains out of molehills. "callously betrayed" my arse.
Bit rich for one including others like Brietta who likened people who ask questions to the serial rapist and murderer Sutcliffe, nuff said!
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The way you've just denigrated her on this thread would suggest otherwise.
I'm simply astounded at her callous hypocrisy. How she can chastise posters for 'thwarting the search for Madeleine' while attempting herself to thwart the search for Ben I have simply no idea.
I think that anyone who really cares about Madeleine's profile should be pointing out to the McCanns what a liability their social media coordinator has become and advise them to recruit another.
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The post under discussion has received a further 3000 likes since I last looked at 6pm. Seems a lot of people agree with it.
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Please grow up Faithlilly, you're making mountains out of molehills. "callously betrayed" my arse.
How would you describe it then Alfie ?
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I'm simply astounded at her callous hypocrisy. How she can chastise posters for 'thwarting the search for Madeleine' while attempting herself to thwart the search for Ben I have simply no idea.
I think that anyone who really cares about Madeleine's profile should be pointing out to the McCanns what a liability their social media coordinator has become and advise them to recruit another.
How is blocking The Find Ben account on twitter actively thwarting the search for Ben? Perhaps you could explain.
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The post under discussion has received a further 3000 likes since I last looked at 6pm. Seems a lot of people agree with it.
Yet still no specific mention of blocking OFB's Twitter feed. I wonder why ?
Psssst Alfie, you do know you can buy 'likes' don't you ?
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If "sceptics" don't re-tweet appeals to find Madeleine could they be said to have callously betrayed her each time they don't re-tweet an appeal?
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The post under discussion has received a further 3000 likes since I last looked at 6pm. Seems a lot of people agree with it.
On a site with 620000 likes 3000 is what percentage? Maybe yure good at math, Hardly a ringing endorsement or a humongous thunderclap
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How is blocking The Find Ben account on twitter actively thwarting the search for Ben? Perhaps you could explain.
Don't be gauche Alfie. You know how Twitter works.
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Yet still no specific mention of blocking OFB's Twitter feed. I wonder why ?
Psssst Alfie, you do know you can buy 'likes' don't you ?
@)(++(* I pre-empted you on that accusation earlier in the thread. I also commented on all the paid shills who had left positive comments under the post. Up to 1800 now, how much would that have cost them do you think?
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Don't be gauche Alfie. You know how Twitter works.
I know how it works, now tell me how blocking Find Ben account actively thwarts the search for him.
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If "sceptics" don't re-tweet appeals to find Madeleine could they be said to have callously betrayed her each time they don't re-tweet an appeal?
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well?
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@)(++(* I pre-empted you on that accusation earlier in the thread. I also commented on all the paid shills who had left positive comments under the post. Up to 1800 now, how much would that have cost them do you think?
Yet still no mention of blocking the Twitter campaign of another missing child.
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well?
Yes very thank you.
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Yet still no mention of blocking the Twitter campaign of another missing child.
Why would they mention it? why would OFM wish to try and turn people against the campaign to find Ben, which is what you're complaining they haven't done. And what prompted OFM to block the Find Ben account in the first place, any ideas?
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Yes very thank you.
You don't seem so to me, in fact you seem extremely upset and verging on the hysterical about this non-issue. Perhaps some deep breathing exercises might help.
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Why would they mention it? why would OFM wish to try and turn people against the campaign to find Ben, which is what you're complaining they haven't done. And what prompted OFM to block the Find Ben account in the first place, any ideas?
Go to spec savers, the Fm Twitter account said they blocked them because they didn't like some of the people they followed!! Been written here and in other threads,sheesh,that's why they have proven to be spiteful and chldish
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Why would they mention it? why would OFM wish to try and turn people against the campaign to find Ben, which is what you're complaining they haven't done. And what prompted OFM to block the Find Ben account in the first place, any ideas?
Didn't you see the screencap Alfie ? Apparently OFM blocked OFB's Twitter account because the webmaster didn't like some of the people the OFB were following ( I am lead to believe OFB always follow back to extend their reach as far as possible ).
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You don't seem so to me, in fact you seem extremely upset and verging on the hysterical about this non-issue. Perhaps some deep breathing exercises might help.
Then nothing could be further from the truth. It' always amuses me greatly to watch you defend the indefensible. Well done for the sterling effort but no cigar I'm afraid.
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Didn't you see the screencap Alfie ? Apparently OFM blocked OFB's Twitter account because the webmaster didn't like some of the people the OFB were following ( I am lead to believe OFB always follow back to extend their reach as far as possible ).
Nope, I didn't. As I have already said I don't follow #McCann, it's worse than a primary school playground and should be avoided at all costs.
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Nope, I didn't. As I have already said I don't follow #McCann, it's worse than a primary school playground and should be avoided at all costs.
Yes, come here instead, Alfs chldish playground lol
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Then nothing could be further from the truth. It' always amuses me greatly to watch you defend the indefensible. Well done for the sterling effort but no cigar I'm afraid.
And it always greatly amuses me to see you completely unable to answer a perfectly straight question with anything more intelligent than a laughing emoticon.
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Nope, I didn't. As I have already said I don't follow #McCann, it's worse than a primary school playground and should be avoided at all costs.
The wording was posted here some time ago so no need to go anywhere near Twitter.
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The wording was posted here some time ago so no need to go anywhere near Twitter.
Where? On this thread?
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And it always greatly amuses me to see you completely unable to answer a perfectly straight question with anything more intelligent than a laughing emoticon.
I give your questions the effort I feel they deserve.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/AbsntFriends/status/650395100930015233
Comment from a twitterer
Original post was this
https://mobile.twitter.com/77elliemartin/status/649988154007646208
Reply from FM Twitter (as posted by the commentator at top) deleted by them (FM) for some reason
fact remains FM have blocked a whole child awareness hashtag
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I give your questions the effort I feel they deserve.
It was a perfectly reasonable question which you were unable to answer, exposing your double standards and hypocrisy rather well I thought.
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It was a perfectly reasonable question which you were unable to answer, exposing your double standards and hypocrisy rather well I thought.
Then I'm happy that you're happy.
And I'll leave you with this.
''Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine was abducted "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.'
The Guardian 19th March 2014
Don't have nightmares Alfie, do sleep well.
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Well the true nature of the facebook find Madeleine pages were revealed in all their glory over the last day or so.
i.e. You do what we tell you and fawn to the mccanns, or you get thrown off.
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Well the true nature of the facebook find Madeleine pages were revealed in all their glory over the last day or so.
i.e. You do what we tell you and fawn to the mccanns, or you get thrown off.
you do post a load of rubbish...the site is dedicated to the search for maddie...those saying she is dead and SY should stop investigating are not welcome...that makes perfect sense
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you do post a load of rubbish...the site is dedicated to the search for maddie...those saying she is dead and SY should stop investigating are not welcome...that makes perfect sense
The rubbish is yours, as per normal.
The facebook page is little more than a dictatorship, with the webmaster living in a fantasy world.
It is quite evident to the majority of people that Madeleine is no longer living.
No one is going to stop the keyboard searchers, because that is all they are.
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The rubbish is yours, as per normal.
The facebook page is little more than a dictatorship, with the webmaster living in a fantasy world.
It is quite evident to the majority of people that Madeleine is no longer living.
No one is going to stop the keyboard searchers, because that is all they are.
then why not just leave them alone...why do you feel the need to constantly criticise
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then why not just leave them alone...why do you feel the need to constantly criticise
As far as I am aware this is a free country.
As to your statement, completely hypocritical as you criticize and insult others on a regular basis.
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As far as I am aware this is a free country.
As to your statement, completely hypocritical as you criticize and insult others on a regular basis.
it is a free country...and if they want to block people its up to them and none of your business......thank you for making the point
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it is a free country...and if they want to block people its up to them and none of your business......thank you for making the point
The blocking merely reflects the weakness of their position.
Unwilling to engage debate, as takes place on here, and trying to colour the world in rose tinted glasses.
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The blocking merely reflects the weakness of their position.
Unwilling to engage debate, as takes place on here, and trying to colour the world in rose tinted glasses.
its a free country as you have pointed out....they don't have to engage in debate with anyone
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its a free country as you have pointed out....they don't have to engage in debate with anyone
All that is visible on the facebook page from the webmaster is immature behaviour, characteristic of a child throwing it's toys out of the pram.
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Then I'm happy that you're happy.
And I'll leave you with this.
''Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine was abducted "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.'
The Guardian 19th March 2014
Don't have nightmares Alfie, do sleep well.
IIRC the context of that comment was in relation to the perpetrator who targetted and made sexual assaults on UK children in their own bedrooms.
Anyone who thinks/hopes it was in relation to the McCanns is seriously straw-clutching IMO.
'Context' is everything.
Sorry for going off topic - but as Faith's post remains on the board it requires an answer IMO.
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Very clearly those behind the site don't live in the real world, and try to block anything against the doctrine of the mccanns.
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It was a perfectly reasonable question which you were unable to answer, exposing your double standards and hypocrisy rather well I thought.
I thought abuse was against the rules?
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Help Find Ben Needham
23 mins ·
After recent events on Twitter , namely being blocked by the Official Find Madeleine Campaign we felt it only fair to have our say. The campaign blocked us due to " the type of people who follow us and the people we follow". Just to clear we follow everyone back who follows us out of courtesy. Every follower means support for Ben - nothing more. Admin.
Please read the following statement direct from Kerry Needham .
Please do not make this a war between missing peoples families. The ONLY reason Kerry ever mentions the Mccanns is outlining the differences in government backing. Her problem is with the authorities NOT the Mccanns and their search for their daughter which we FULLY support.
#everymissingchildmatters #helpfindben
https://www.facebook.com/helpfindben?fref=nf
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good on them fror speaking out
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Help Find Ben Needham
23 mins ·
After recent events on Twitter , namely being blocked by the Official Find Madeleine Campaign we felt it only fair to have our say. The campaign blocked us due to " the type of people who follow us and the people we follow". Just to clear we follow everyone back who follows us out of courtesy. Every follower means support for Ben - nothing more. Admin.
Please read the following statement direct from Kerry Needham .
Please do not make this a war between missing peoples families. The ONLY reason Kerry ever mentions the Mccanns is outlining the differences in government backing. Her problem is with the authorities NOT the Mccanns and their search for their daughter which we FULLY support.
#everymissingchildmatters #helpfindben
https://www.facebook.com/helpfindben?fref=nf
8@??)(
good on them fror speaking out
Thanks for that Carlymichelle. 8((()*/
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Thanks for that Carlymichelle. 8((()*/
NP and they are right
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Very clearly those behind the site don't live in the real world, and try to block anything against the doctrine of the mccanns.
I imagine it is akin to putting your fingers in your ears while chanting 'not listening, not listening'
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Help Find Ben Needham
23 mins ·
After recent events on Twitter , namely being blocked by the Official Find Madeleine Campaign we felt it only fair to have our say. The campaign blocked us due to " the type of people who follow us and the people we follow". Just to clear we follow everyone back who follows us out of courtesy. Every follower means support for Ben - nothing more. Admin.
Please read the following statement direct from Kerry Needham .
Please do not make this a war between missing peoples families. The ONLY reason Kerry ever mentions the Mccanns is outlining the differences in government backing. Her problem is with the authorities NOT the Mccanns and their search for their daughter which we FULLY support.
#everymissingchildmatters #helpfindben
https://www.facebook.com/helpfindben?fref=nf
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good on them fror speaking out
Who is she appealing to I wonder? People on Twitter who are talking about it or the OFM person who put the block on?
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What I find strange is that, between all of their searching for Madeleine and their raising public awareness, the McCanns and their supporters find the time to see who follows their followers!
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What I find strange is that, between all of their searching for Madeleine and their raising public awareness, the McCanns and their supporters find the time to see who follows their followers!
So who watches the watchers ?
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Who is she appealing to I wonder? People on Twitter who are talking about it or the OFM person who put the block on?
you only have to ask yourself why the page has had to be blocked...because it allows trolls to post on the OFM page.
It is good that Kerry has stated she fully supports the McCanns
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Perhaps Missing People informed OFM? They have been having a blockfest also, apparently.
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Perhaps Missing People informed OFM? They have been having a blockfest also, apparently.
It does seem some people can't deal with criticism.
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I thought abuse was against the rules?
That is not abuse, that is simply pointing out a fact. Faithlilly claims that OFM have callously betrayed Ben by blocking the twitter account set up to make appeals for him, but refuses to say whether or not the same accusation can be levelled at McCann "sceptic" accounts which refuse to retweet appeals for Madeleine to be found. If that's not displaying double standards then what would you call it?
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you only have to ask yourself why the page has had to be blocked...because it allows trolls to post on the OFM page.
It is good that Kerry has stated she fully supports the McCanns
Yes good on Kerry. That would make her a dim-witted ignorant naive sheep like me then.
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Yes good on Kerry. That would make her a dim-witted ignorant naive sheep like me then.
No, just a genuine person still actually looking for her son.
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Then I'm happy that you're happy.
And I'll leave you with this.
''Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine was abducted "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.'
The Guardian 19th March 2014
Don't have nightmares Alfie, do sleep well.
Nice the way you've taken Redwood's quote completely out of context for propaganda purposes, aren't you clever!
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Nice the way you've taken Redwood's quote completely out of context for propaganda purposes, aren't you clever!
In what way out of context ?
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In what way out of context ?
Benice has already explained earlier. I suggest you re-read. Faithlilly has latched onto this quote as if it suggests that the Met doubt that Madeleine was taken in a criminal act by a stranger, she is using it to create a false impression that the McCanns are under suspicion. It's a propaganda technique, Faith is fond of them - look at her avatar for another example of anti McCann propaganda.
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Benice has already explained earlier. I suggest you re-read. Faithlilly has latched onto this quote as if it suggests that the Met doubt that Madeleine was taken in a criminal act by a stranger, she is using it to create a false impression that the McCanns are under suspicion. It's a propaganda technique, Faith is fond of them - look at her avatar for another example of anti McCann propaganda.
And good morning too you too Alfie. Hope you are well this gorgeously sunny morning ?
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That is not abuse, that is simply pointing out a fact. Faithlilly claims that OFM have callously betrayed Ben by blocking the twitter account set up to make appeals for him, but refuses to say whether or not the same accusation can be levelled at McCann "sceptic" accounts which refuse to retweet appeals for Madeleine to be found. If that's not displaying double standards then what would you call it?
So it's OK to call people hypocrites then? I'm just trying to work out what 'abuse' means. 8((()*/
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So it's OK to call people hypocrites then? I'm just trying to work out what 'abuse' means. 8((()*/
I suppose it depends who's modding G.
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Seems the blocking has been a humongous own goal.
ITV REPORT 4 October 2015 at 11:54am
'Find Ben Needham' Twitter blocked by official 'Find Madeleine McCann' account
http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2015-1 ... n-account/
The official Twitter account backing the search for Madeleine McCann has blocked the account which supports the campaign to find Ben Needham.
Administrators of @FindBenNeedham discovered they had been blocked from viewing the account yesterday. The campaign's Greek account @findbengreek has also been blocked.
Ben Needham
Ben Needham went missing on July 24 1991 from the Greek island of Kos, There have been no sightings of the 21 month old since.
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One of the administrators of Ben's account, using her personal account, asked @findmadeleine why this was the case and was told "we do not want to be associated with some of the types of people they @FindBen Needham) follow."
Some individuals followed by Ben's Twitter account are known to take an anti-McCann stance.
Ben's mum Kerry said : "All I can say is that Ben's campaign has never been anti McCann - we can't help the fact that some members of the public give their opinion about the McCann case just the same as people give their opinion about Ben's case. I have never once spoken badly about the family, I have only ever given my opinion about the way the two cases have been handled so differently by the authorities."
Madeleine
Madeleine McCann was three years old when she disappeared from her bed in a holiday apartment in Portugal in May 2007.
In these excerpts from a post yesterday, the person in charge of the @findmadeleine account, said, "This is the last time I will address this issue. Gerry and Kate do not use social media and have asked me to manage the social media accounts for our campaign. In the past couple of weeks, there has been a concerted effort to get people to stop looking for Madeleine. Some argue the search costs too much, others say it's hopeless. We don't believe the search for Madeleine is hopeless and putting up polls asking if the search should stop is not only crass, it's cruel. How can one put a price on the life of a child?With that being said, I, and I alone, have made the decision to block ANYONE who thwarts the search for Madeleine via social media--whether that be with running commentary on the investigation, posting negative comments about the search/investigation/cost, or saying Madeleine is a lost cause. We believe Madeleine is alive and we have great faith in The Met. If you cannot be supportive of the search for Madeleine, please unlike/unfollow our social media pages. We want people who are hopeful and actually care about Madeleine being found supporting us. WE NEED YOUR HELP to find her and we don't want negative comments filling our feeds."
Ben Needham went missing on July 24 1991 from the Greek island of Kos, There have been no sightings of the 21 month old since.
Madeleine McCann was three years old when she disappeared from her bed in a holiday apartment in Portugal in May 2007.
After recent events on Twitter, namely being blocked by the Official Find Madeleine Campaign we felt it only fair to have our say. The campaign blocked us due to "the type of people who follow us and the people we follow." Just to clear we follow everyone back who follows us out of courtesy. Every follower means support for Ben - nothing more. Admin.
Please read the following statement direct from Kerry Needham . Please do not make this a war between missing people's families. The ONLY reason Kerry ever mentions the Mccanns is outlining the differences in government backing. Her problem is with the authorities NOT the Mccanns and their search for their daughter which we FULLY support.
– OFFICIAL FIND BEN NEEDHAM FACEBOOK PAGE POST
Last updated Sun 4 Oct 2015
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Benice has already explained earlier. I suggest you re-read. Faithlilly has latched onto this quote as if it suggests that the Met doubt that Madeleine was taken in a criminal act by a stranger, she is using it to create a false impression that the McCanns are under suspicion. It's a propaganda technique, Faith is fond of them - look at her avatar for another example of anti McCann propaganda.
The Met have said many things.
Including of course, that she may be alive or dead.
Namely, they don't have a clue.
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The Met have said many things.
Including of course, that she may be alive or dead.
Namely, they don't have a clue.
similar to Grime do you think...
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similar to Grime do you think...
Grime is not a forensic scientist.
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A little bit of advice for the OFM webmaster, when you're in a whole stop digging !
'Scott Morrison, I said I would not address the issue of blocking here, but I will say this. Other pages most definitely have the control over who follows them. We will block anyone who joins a hate site or who has porn sites following them. We will not allow people who condone these other sites to be a part of our page. I'm sorry, but you do have the control over who you follow and who follows you. That's the end of it. Don't align yourself with [ censored word ]s. It sends a message that you agree with them. ~FM Webmaster'
Does she never learn.
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So it's OK to call people hypocrites then? I'm just trying to work out what 'abuse' means. 8((()*/
I said I was exposing the hypocrisy of Faithlilly's stance, I dould not call her a hypocrite per se, but if the name fits....
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Seems the blocking has been a humongous own goal.
ITV REPORT 4 October 2015 at 11:54am
'Find Ben Needham' Twitter blocked by official 'Find Madeleine McCann' account
http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2015-1 ... n-account/
The official Twitter account backing the search for Madeleine McCann has blocked the account which supports the campaign to find Ben Needham.
Administrators of @FindBenNeedham discovered they had been blocked from viewing the account yesterday. The campaign's Greek account @findbengreek has also been blocked.
Ben Needham
Ben Needham went missing on July 24 1991 from the Greek island of Kos, There have been no sightings of the 21 month old since.
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One of the administrators of Ben's account, using her personal account, asked @findmadeleine why this was the case and was told "we do not want to be associated with some of the types of people they @FindBen Needham) follow."
Some individuals followed by Ben's Twitter account are known to take an anti-McCann stance.
Ben's mum Kerry said : "All I can say is that Ben's campaign has never been anti McCann - we can't help the fact that some members of the public give their opinion about the McCann case just the same as people give their opinion about Ben's case. I have never once spoken badly about the family, I have only ever given my opinion about the way the two cases have been handled so differently by the authorities."
Madeleine
Madeleine McCann was three years old when she disappeared from her bed in a holiday apartment in Portugal in May 2007.
In these excerpts from a post yesterday, the person in charge of the @findmadeleine account, said, "This is the last time I will address this issue. Gerry and Kate do not use social media and have asked me to manage the social media accounts for our campaign. In the past couple of weeks, there has been a concerted effort to get people to stop looking for Madeleine. Some argue the search costs too much, others say it's hopeless. We don't believe the search for Madeleine is hopeless and putting up polls asking if the search should stop is not only crass, it's cruel. How can one put a price on the life of a child?With that being said, I, and I alone, have made the decision to block ANYONE who thwarts the search for Madeleine via social media--whether that be with running commentary on the investigation, posting negative comments about the search/investigation/cost, or saying Madeleine is a lost cause. We believe Madeleine is alive and we have great faith in The Met. If you cannot be supportive of the search for Madeleine, please unlike/unfollow our social media pages. We want people who are hopeful and actually care about Madeleine being found supporting us. WE NEED YOUR HELP to find her and we don't want negative comments filling our feeds."
Ben Needham went missing on July 24 1991 from the Greek island of Kos, There have been no sightings of the 21 month old since.
Madeleine McCann was three years old when she disappeared from her bed in a holiday apartment in Portugal in May 2007.
After recent events on Twitter, namely being blocked by the Official Find Madeleine Campaign we felt it only fair to have our say. The campaign blocked us due to "the type of people who follow us and the people we follow." Just to clear we follow everyone back who follows us out of courtesy. Every follower means support for Ben - nothing more. Admin.
Please read the following statement direct from Kerry Needham . Please do not make this a war between missing people's families. The ONLY reason Kerry ever mentions the Mccanns is outlining the differences in government backing. Her problem is with the authorities NOT the Mccanns and their search for their daughter which we FULLY support.
– OFFICIAL FIND BEN NEEDHAM FACEBOOK PAGE POST
Last updated Sun 4 Oct 2015
page not found sadly.
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I said I was exposing the hypocrisy of Faithlilly's stance, I dould not call her a hypocrite per se, but if the name fits....
Shall I wear it at a jaunty angle Alfie ? @)(++(*
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heres the corrected link
http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2015-10-04/find-ben-needham-twitter-blocked-by-official-find-madeleine-mccann-account/
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Shall I wear it at a jaunty angle Alfie ? @)(++(*
you wear it very well.
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Congratulations to the Anti McCann propaganda machine for getting this non-story of childish twitter tw..tery onto the news pages of ITV, you must all be feeling very proud.
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Congratulations to the Anti McCann propaganda machine for getting this non-story of childish twitter tw..tery onto the news pages of ITV, you must all be feeling very proud.
i had nothing to do with it but if you want me to be proud i will be ?{)(**
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you wear it very well.
From the master of the art that is high praise indeed.
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Congratulations to the Anti McCann propaganda machine for getting this non-story of childish twitter tw..tery onto the news pages of ITV, you must all be feeling very proud.
I think the childish behaviour is reserved for the McCanns who are so far up their own backsides they no longer recognise truth from fantasy. Kate McCann can attempt to distance herself from their OFM facebook page by blaming some faceless webmaster but on this occasion it has come back to bite her.
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Congratulations to the Anti McCann propaganda machine for getting this non-story of childish twitter tw..tery onto the news pages of ITV, you must all be feeling very proud.
How do you know it was the 'Anti Mccann propaganda machine'? The media are not known for presenting anti McCann stories. it's more likely to have originated with pro Kerry Needham people in my opinion. Was Kerry blocked because she is a member of CMOMM perhaps?
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I think the childish behaviour is reserved for the McCanns who are so far up their own backsides they no longer recognise truth from fantasy.
exactly its good to see that the uk press had the balls to publish this because it is shameful
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How do you know it was the 'Anti Mccann propaganda machine'? The media are not known for presenting anti McCann stories. it's more likely to have originated with pro Kerry Needham people in my opinion. Was Kerry blocked because she is a member of CMOMM perhaps?
im sure people will wonder why they dont want people supporting another missing person on their fb/twitter etc
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Congratulations to the Anti McCann propaganda machine for getting this non-story of childish twitter tw..tery onto the news pages of ITV, you must all be feeling very proud.
I have seen an example of childishness for sure. It reminded me of kids in the playground saying 'I'm not gonna be your friend if you're friends with them (http://them)'. I have also seen it answered in a mature and sensible manner.
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exactly its good to see that the uk press had the balls to publish this because it is shameful
I know of several Facebook users who pointed out to the OFM fb site that their comments regarding negativity were misplaced in the light of the most recent cadaver dog searches and digs in PdL only to be blocked. So in a nutshell pointing out the obvious is now a reason to be blocked according to Team McCann??
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I know of several Facebook users who pointed out to the OFM fb site that their comments regarding negativity were misplaced in the light of the most recent cadaver dog searches and digs in PdL only to be blocked. So in a nutshell pointing out the obvious is now a reason to be blocked according to Team McCann??
they dont like the truth do they??
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I know of several Facebook users who pointed out to the OFM fb site that their comments regarding negativity were misplaced in the light of the most recent cadaver dog searches and digs in PdL only to be blocked. So in a nutshell pointing out the obvious is now a reason to be blocked according to Team McCann??
I'm sure the OFM site are happy not to have postings trying to misrepresent the alerts on their site
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they dont like the truth do they??
...and they don't like answering questions.
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I'm sure the OFM site are happy not to have postings trying to misrepresent the alerts on their site
Angelo said most recent, so unless you know of any alerts from those.....
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I'm sure the OFM site are happy not to have postings trying to misrepresent the alerts on their site
I was referring to June 2014, not 2007.
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...and they don't like answering questions.
i dont get all the denial by people in this case??
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i dont get all the denial by people in this case??
. If you understood what was going on you you would realise the action of the webmaster is totally reasonable
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Angelo said most recent, so unless you know of any alerts from those.....
My post is quite clear...if you do not understand it just move on
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. If you understood what was going you you would realise the action of the webmaster is totally reasonable
It's not reasonable but it fits with the stance of the McCanns from day one.
Madeleine was abducted.
Madeleine may still be alive.
We want you all to search for her.
No other possibility exists.
Anyone who questions the above or suggests other possibilities will be silenced.
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My post is quite clear...if you do not understand it just move on
Just not related to Angelo's post.
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They do say that denial is the worst form of truth!
(http://i.imgur.com/bC62yaK.jpg?1)
Scotland Yard officers search for the body of Madeleine McCann in the tourist resort of Praia da Luz, Portugal, in June 2014.
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It's not reasonable but it fits with the stance of the McCanns from day one.
Madeleine was abducted.
Madeleine may still be alive.
We want you all to search for her.
No other possibility exists.
Anyone who questions the above or suggests other possibilities will be silenced.
the mccanns have the right to believe what they wish and you have no right to try to deny them that right.
they cannot silence anyone....the law can if the law of libel applies...the facebook page has every right to remove posts...just as this forum can and does...all quite reasonable
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Just not related to Angelo's post.
it is...if angelo would like to give some examples of posts that were removed you would see
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They do say that denial is the worst form of truth!
(http://i.imgur.com/Ih0Yrky.jpg)
yep they were looking for maddies body at the time if i can recall?
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yep they were looking for maddies body at the time if i can recall?
did they find it...it is exactly your type that the OFM page does not want posting and I think any sensible person can see why
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yep they were looking for maddies body at the time if i can recall?
Yes and SY know what they are doing according to some pro McCann posters on here so how do they equate that with the McCanns most recent claim that their daughter is not dead?
SY cannot be both right and wrong at the same time?
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did they find it...it is exactly your type that the OFM page does not want posting and I think any sensible person can see why
Denial Denial Denial and yet more Denial @)(++(*
Tell me davel, why did SY dig up PdL? Were they looking for coconuts?
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Denial Denial Denial and yet more Denial @)(++(*
Tell me davel, why did SY dig up PdL? Were they looking for coconuts?
possibly looking for remains??
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daves life must be so boring he believes everything the media and mcanns tell him either denial or programmed like a robot??
They were investigating their theory that Madeleine could have been murdered during a burglary gone wrong, they didn't find anything though.
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They were investigating their theory that Madeleine could have been murdered during a burglary gone wrong, they didn't find anything though.
That's because there was no break-in and no burglary.
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That's because there was no break-in and no burglary.
i dont understand how mcann supporters are so closed minded they accuse us of all kinds of things yet they are just as absuive or more imo maddie died 8 years ago by person/persons names unknown
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How do you know it was the 'Anti Mccann propaganda machine'? The media are not known for presenting anti McCann stories. it's more likely to have originated with pro Kerry Needham people in my opinion. Was Kerry blocked because she is a member of CMOMM perhaps?
I saw several posts yesterday from McCann "sceptics" suggesting that the media be alerted about this storm in a teacup,that's what made me suspect it was them wot dunnit.
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I think the childish behaviour is reserved for the McCanns who are so far up their own backsides they no longer recognise truth from fantasy. Kate McCann can attempt to distance herself from their OFM facebook page by blaming some faceless webmaster but on this occasion it has come back to bite her.
Has Kate made any comment on this non-event or blamed anyone at all for it? If so please supply the link.
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From the master of the art that is high praise indeed.
A master of the art of what? I have called you out over your clearly hypocritical stance and you are unable to explain yourself except with laughing emoticons and silly one liners.
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It's not reasonable but it fits with the stance of the McCanns from day one.
Madeleine was abducted.
Madeleine may still be alive.
We want you all to search for her.
No other possibility exists.
Anyone who questions the above or suggests other possibilities will be silenced.
Why would the McCanns, who believe their child was abducted and want people to focus on finding her, tolerate "sceptics" posting attacks on themselves? Could you explain why you think it is unreasonable for them not to entertain such "questioning"?
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Has Kate made any comment on this non-event or blamed anyone at all for it? If so please supply the link.
if it was on the other foot and kerry blocked the OFM facebook/twitetr you would think it was a huge deal
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if it was on the other foot and kerry blocked the OFM facebook/twitetr you would think it was a huge deal
Would I Carly? Really?? If you say so, you obviously know me better than I know myself, as I would have said it wouldn't have interested me in the slightest, but them you know better so well done.
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Denial Denial Denial and yet more Denial @)(++(*
Tell me davel, why did SY dig up PdL? Were they looking for coconuts?
Maddie may be dead...or she may be not...it's a simple as that...no proof either way......it isn't difficult to understand
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Has Kate made any comment on this non-event or blamed anyone at all for it? If so please supply the link.
Thankfully for Kate her webmaster fell on her sword so no need. Kerry did however release a very dignified statement about the debacle. Perhaps Kate could follow her example.
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A master of the art of what? I have called you out over your clearly hypocritical stance and you are unable to explain yourself except with laughing emoticons and silly one liners.
In what way was my stance hypocritical ?
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Thankfully for Kate her webmaster fell on her sword so no need. Kerry did however release a very dignified statement about the debacle. Perhaps Kate could follow her example.
what happened to the webmaster then? Committed suicide?
that would have pleased a few folk for sure. Eye for an eye and all that.
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Denial Denial Denial and yet more Denial @)(++(*
Tell me davel, why did SY dig up PdL? Were they looking for coconuts?
so tell me what I am in denial about.....they were searching for Maddie's body...they didn't find it
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In what way was my stance hypocritical ?
I've already highlighted the way several times on this thread. I suggest you read back. Something about "callous betrayal" bollox.
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what happened to the webmaster then? Committed suicide?
that would have pleased a few folk for sure. Eye for an eye and all that.
Who would have been pleased by the webmaster committing suicide Alfie ?
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Who would have been pleased by the webmaster committing suicide Alfie ?
alfie is saying terrible things tonight/today i already reported his post on my thread something has really upset him
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alfie is saying terrible things tonight/today i already reported his post on my thread something has really upset him
He certainly doesn't seem over keen to answer my question Carlymichelle.
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A master of the art of what? I have called you out over your clearly hypocritical stance and you are unable to explain yourself except with laughing emoticons and silly one liners.
John Wesley Jones famous gunslinger. Oh ffs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EBpTlaSAe8
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Who would have been pleased by the webmaster committing suicide Alfie ?
Those that wish to see Brenda avenged.
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alfie is saying terrible things tonight/today i already reported his post on my thread something has really upset him
Do behave Carly.
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So what actualy DID happen to the OFM webmaster then? Was she sacked? Did she resign? Has she taken a long walk off a short pier?? What?
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Those that wish to see Brenda avenged.
Come, come now Alfie, surely you can be more specific than that. I was expecting at least a few tweets/Facebook posts.
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Come, come now Alfie, surely you can be more specific than that. I was expecting at least a few tweets/Facebook posts.
What of?
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What of?
Sceptics wishing the webmaster would commit suicide of course.
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Sceptics wishing the webmaster would commit suicide of course.
And where did I state that they had?
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And where did I state that they had?
'what happened to the webmaster then? Committed suicide?
that would have pleased a few folk for sure. Eye for an eye and all that.'
So who are these 'folk' and what evidence do you have that they'd be pleased by the webmaster's suicide ?
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'what happened to the webmaster then? Committed suicide?
that would have pleased a few folk for sure. Eye for an eye and all that.'
So who are these 'folk' and what evidence do you have that they'd be pleased by the webmaster's suicide ?
I do apologise. They don't exist. Of course, ALL sceptics would be deeply saddened and upset to hear of such an eventuality, despite the fact that this webmaster person seems to be the target of much online sneering and disgust as the supposed architect of the 'callous betrayal' of Ben Needham. Sure thing. Silly me.
Now, are you going to tell me what did actually happen to her or not? I presume she didn't literally fall on her own sword then?
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so tell me what I am in denial about.....they were searching for Maddie's body...they didn't find it
Just the point, SY believed her to be deceased yet the McCanns think they know better?
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So what actualy DID happen to the OFM webmaster then? Was she sacked? Did she resign? Has she taken a long walk off a short pier?? What?
Kate McCann posts on OFM
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Isn't it sad that a webmaster has to block people because the go onto a thread to purposely leave nasty comments about a missing child, it is beyond me what these people get out of doing such a thing.
Kerry has said she supports the search for Madeleine and she doesn't want family against family, well I think these nasty people DO want that, they jump at any opportunity to compare the search for Madeleine with the search for Ben saying negative comments about the Madeleine search, such as it should stop and that it's a waste of money and then in the same breath praise Kerry for her continual search for Ben and that she should have more money and it's not fair that nasty old McCann's have got more.
Anyway it's unblocked now.
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Just the point, SY believed her to be deceased yet the McCanns think they know better?
you are quote wrong...SY think she may be deceased or as Redwood said she may still be alive
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Isn't it sad that a webmaster has to block people because the go onto a thread to purposely leave nasty comments about a missing child, it is beyond me what these people get out of doing such a thing.
Kerry has said she supports the search for Madeleine and she doesn't want family against family, well I think these nasty people DO want that, they jump at any opportunity to compare the search for Madeleine with the search for Ben saying negative comments about the Madeleine search, such as it should stop and that it's a waste of money and then in the same breath praise Kerry for her continual search for Ben and that she should have more money and it's not fair that nasty old McCann's have got more.
Anyway it's unblocked now.
What's unblocked now?
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Kate McCann posts on OFM
Are you still insisting that Kate McCann is the OFM webmaster?
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Despite the best efforts of McCann "sceptics" to turn the public against the OFM team by reporting this non-event to the media, it's good to see that the "likes" for that post continue to grow - over 12.5k, hundreds of shares, and more than 2000 messages of support. 8((()*/
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I do apologise. They don't exist. Of course, ALL sceptics would be deeply saddened and upset to hear of such an eventuality, despite the fact that this webmaster person seems to be the target of much online sneering and disgust as the supposed architect of the 'callous betrayal' of Ben Needham. Sure thing. Silly me.
Now, are you going to tell me what did actually happen to her or not? I presume she didn't literally fall on her own sword then?
Thanks for clarifying that Alfie.
As to the webmaster, I've no idea what happened to her after taking the rap for the disastrous decision to block the OFB Twitter account.
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heres the corrected link
http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2015-10-04/find-ben-needham-twitter-blocked-by-official-find-madeleine-mccann-account/
A very mature statement from a mother who knows what it is Madeleine McCann's mother is suffering. Had there been more maturity shown there never would have been a need to block anyone from anywhere.
In my opinion it is unfortunate that there seems to be a tranche to whom Ben Needham's value lies in being a useful weapon to swing in Madeleine's direction.
As the investigation continues into Madeleine's case with active leads still being followed ... how sad people get tied up in such meaningless trivia.
Well said Kerry Needham ... I hope those concerned take note.
**Snip
After recent events on Twitter, namely being blocked by the Official Find Madeleine Campaign we felt it only fair to have our say. The campaign blocked us due to "the type of people who follow us and the people we follow." Just to clear we follow everyone back who follows us out of courtesy. Every follower means support for Ben - nothing more. Admin.
Please read the following statement direct from Kerry Needham .
Please do not make this a war between missing people's families.
The ONLY reason Kerry ever mentions the Mccanns is outlining the differences in government backing.
Her problem is with the authorities NOT the Mccanns and their search for their daughter which we FULLY support.[/u]
– OFFICIAL FIND BEN NEEDHAM FACEBOOK PAGE POST
http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2015-10-04/find-ben-needham-twitter-blocked-by-official-find-madeleine-mccann-account/
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4 October 2015 at 5:24pm
Find Ben Needham account unblocked by Find Madeleine campaign
Administrators of the Twitter account set up to help the search for Ben Needham say their access to Madeleine McCann's official page has been restored.
Earlier today we reported that @findmadeleine had blocked @FindBenNeedham from following them on the social media site, because @findmadeleine did not approve of some personal accounts followed by Ben's campaign group, which took an anti-McCann stance
There was a great deal of discussion on social media about the decision. A comment posted by @findmadeleine earlier defended the move, with the person running the site saying they had every right to block anyone "who thwarts the search for Madeleine via social media."
Ben's mum Kerry said earlier : "Ben's campaign has never been anti McCann - we can't help the fact that some members of the public give their opinion about the McCann case just the same as people give their opinion about Ben's case."
Administrators of Ben's Twitter page now say that access from their UK and Greek accounts has been un-blocked.
3gzwemuo_normal
Ben Needham
@FindBenNeedham
Thank you @findmadeleine for unblocking. We look forward to working and supporting your tweets and campaign. Please can we all move on ?
17:37 - 4 Oct 2015
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Good to see that dummies have been restored to their respective prams - some people will be a bit disappointed by this I bet" 8(0(*
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Thanks for clarifying that Alfie.
As to the webmaster, I've no idea what happened to her after taking the rap for the disastrous decision to block the OFB Twitter account.
Mountains out of molehills have been made about this this weekend. It's been a jolly good fun diversion for you and your mates but time to settle down now. You claimed the webmaster had fallen on her sword but now admit you've no idea what happened to her. Tut tut.
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A very mature statement from a mother who knows what it is Madeleine McCann's mother is suffering. Had there been more maturity shown there never would have been a need to block anyone from anywhere.
In my opinion it is unfortunate that there seems to be a tranche to whom Ben Needham's value lies in being a useful weapon to swing in Madeleine's direction.
As the investigation continues into Madeleine's case with active leads still being followed ... how sad people get tied up in such meaningless trivia.
Well said Kerry Needham ... I hope those concerned take note.
**Snip
After recent events on Twitter, namely being blocked by the Official Find Madeleine Campaign we felt it only fair to have our say. The campaign blocked us due to "the type of people who follow us and the people we follow." Just to clear we follow everyone back who follows us out of courtesy. Every follower means support for Ben - nothing more. Admin.
Please read the following statement direct from Kerry Needham .
Please do not make this a war between missing people's families.
The ONLY reason Kerry ever mentions the Mccanns is outlining the differences in government backing.
Her problem is with the authorities NOT the Mccanns and their search for their daughter which we FULLY support.[/u]
– OFFICIAL FIND BEN NEEDHAM FACEBOOK PAGE POST
http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2015-10-04/find-ben-needham-twitter-blocked-by-official-find-madeleine-mccann-account/
For once we agree Brietta, a very mature statement.
It's just a pity that the webmaster didn't act with quite as much maturity.
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Mountains out of molehills have been made about this this weekend. It's been a jolly good fun diversion for you and your mates but time to settle down now. You claimed the webmaster had fallen on her sword but now admit you've no idea what happened to her. Tut tut.
She took responsibility ie fell on her sword. Do keep up Alfie.
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Looks like the bad publicity has had an effect and the OFM has unblocked the OFB Twitter account.
Find Ben Needham account unblocked by Find Madeleine campaign
Administrators of the Twitter account set up to help the search for Ben Needham say their access to Madeleine McCann's official page has been restored.
Earlier today we reported that @findmadeleine had blocked @FindBenNeedham from following them on the social media site, because @findmadeleine did not approve of some personal accounts followed by Ben's campaign group, which took an anti-McCann stance
There was a great deal of discussion on social media about the decision. A comment posted by @findmadeleine earlier defended the move, with the person running the site saying they had every right to block anyone "who thwarts the search for Madeleine via social media."
Ben's mum Kerry said earlier : "Ben's campaign has never been anti McCann - we can't help the fact that some members of the public give their opinion about the McCann case just the same as people give their opinion about Ben's case."
Administrators of Ben's Twitter page now say that access from their UK and Greek accounts has been un-blocked.
3gzwemuo_normal
Ben Needham
@FindBenNeedham
Thank you @findmadeleine for unblocking. We look forward to working and supporting your tweets and campaign. Please can we all move on ?
17:37 - 4 Oct 2015
Last updated Sun 4 Oct 2015
http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/update ... -campaign/
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Quite predictable ,they couldn't really expect to get away with blocking a missing person whole Twitter hashtag because they didn't like some of the followers! Especially being connected to Missing People and all. (Hardly a non event Alf!) Hoisted by own petard. For what?? Not as if those followers posted in official FM Facebook or Twitter pages. I knew this level of attempted control would backfire.
They made a much ado about nothing into a much ado about something.
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Will we be seeing another webmaster biting the dust ?
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Despite the best efforts of McCann "sceptics" to turn the public against the OFM team by reporting this non-event to the media, it's good to see that the r"likes" for that post continue to grow - over 12.5k, hundreds of shares, and more than 2000 messages of support. 8((()*/
It only shows likes.
I do hear there are moves to show dislikes.
Now that would be interesting to see on that fb page. 8**8:/:
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It only shows likes.
I do hear there are moves to show dislikes.
Now that would be interesting to see on that fb page. 8**8:/:
Like the Daily Mail and Independent do, you mean?
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Like the Daily Mail and Independent do, you mean?
Oh YES. 8)-))) 8((()*/
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She took responsibility ie fell on her sword. Do keep up Alfie.
Fall on your sword
Meaning
Commit suicide or offer your resignation.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/133350.html
Where is this declaration of culpability then?
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Fall on your sword
Meaning
Commit suicide or offer your resignation.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/133350.html
Where is this declaration of culpability then?
fall on one's sword
Definition of fall on one's sword in English:
Assume responsibility or blame on behalf of other people, especially by resigning from a position:
he heroically fell on his sword, insisting that it was his decision
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fall-on-one's-sword
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FFS
Falling on ones sword has not had a literal meaning since Roman times!
@)(++(*
Is it a drama queen histrionic day?
The FM webmaster Alf is neither going to commit Harikiri, so don't fret!! And no, no one would even have thought anythng remotely like this until you offered up your stupidness
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fall on one's sword
Definition of fall on one's sword in English:
Assume responsibility or blame on behalf of other people, especially by resigning from a position:
he heroically fell on his sword, insisting that it was his decision
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fall-on-one's-sword
"especially by resigning from a position".
Now, where is this statement from the webmaster falling on her sword?
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"especially by resigning from a position".
Now, where is this statement from the webmaster falling on her sword?
'Especially' but not exclusively. You do seem to have rather ropey comprehension skills Alfie.
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'Especially' but not exclusively. You do seem to have rather ropey comprehension skills Alfie.
to fall on your sword generally refers to resigning a position, as you will see if you google the expression and read about the numerous individuals who have been said to do so.
My comprehensions skills are absolutely fine, though not quite as honed as your ability to ignore hard to answer questions.
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Looks like the FM webmaster was near neigh thigh
''Sarah H******** I am amazed by the work gone into this since this post was made! Over 24 hours of constant battles to delete posts and block those of simple and warped minds!! I applauded the person/people behind the name of webmaster!,, your strength and determination is what the search for Maddie is all about!! And you certainly have shown it by you getting rid of s..m who dare destroy this cause!!
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Official Find Madeleine Campaign
Official Find Madeleine Campaign OMG Sarah, just when I was about to walk away and stop the social media pages, you write this. Thank you! It's been absolutely awful. Being lied about in the press and vilified for doing the right thing--I have a very small taste of what Gerry and Kate have been through. I've been on the verge of tears and wanting to throw-up. I'm so stressed from this and the last thing I want to do is cause harm to the search for Madeleine. I love Gerry and Kate too much to hurt them. I'm often questioning myself, but know I have to stand up and not let people abuse us online. I have a lot of thinking to do over the next few days, but thank you for the note of encouragement. ~FM Webmaster
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Looks like the FM webmaster was near neigh thigh
''Sarah H******** I am amazed by the work gone into this since this post was made! Over 24 hours of constant battles to delete posts and block those of simple and warped minds!! I applauded the person/people behind the name of webmaster!,, your strength and determination is what the search for Maddie is all about!! And you certainly have shown it by you getting rid of s..m who dare destroy this cause!!
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Official Find Madeleine Campaign
Official Find Madeleine Campaign OMG Sarah, just when I was about to walk away and stop the social media pages, you write this. Thank you! It's been absolutely awful. Being lied about in the press and vilified for doing the right thing--I have a very small taste of what Gerry and Kate have been through. I've been on the verge of tears and wanting to throw-up. I'm so stressed from this and the last thing I want to do is cause harm to the search for Madeleine. I love Gerry and Kate too much to hurt them. I'm often questioning myself, but know I have to stand up and not let people abuse us online. I have a lot of thinking to do over the next few days, but thank you for the note of encouragement. ~FM Webmaster
does this sound like someone who has fallen on their sword?
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does this sound like someone who has fallen on their sword?
You decide, you're the one getting hung up about the phrase, but yes, does have elements of packing it in, doesn't it? Not that I care, the fewer [ censored word ]s in the world the better
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You decide, you're the one getting hung up about the phrase, but yes, does have elements of packing it in, doesn't it? Not that I care, the fewer [ censored word ] in the world the better
It sounds like she was considdering her position but decided not to resign after all. Still waiting to be directed to the "falling on her sword" statement Faithlilly originally hinted at.
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It sounds like she was considdering her position but decided not to resign after all. Still waiting to be directed to the "falling on her sword" statement Faithlilly originally hinted at.
My participation in this subject is at an end Alfie. I have given it, and you, more time than either actually deserved and now it has become simply tiresome. Any further reference to the phrase will simply be ignored.
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It sounds like she was considdering her position but decided not to resign after all. Still waiting to be directed to the "falling on her sword" statement Faithlilly originally hinted at.
She / he wouldn't have to if she hadn't make a pathetic mistake in the first place, so much for your non event hey? Bored.Take it up with someone else now.
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Oh well, that's this weekend's brouhaha done and dusted. What will you lot contrive to have a big drama about next weekend I wonder? &%+((£
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Oh well, that's this weekend's brouhaha done and dusted. What will you lot contrive to have a big drama about next weekend I wonder? &%+((£
It would seem that the McCanns have blocked many people who were only pointing out the obvious while others were asking some pretty mild questions but as you stated earlier Alfred, that is their prerogative. The support they once had is slowly but surely eroding, I notice many people who originally contributed to the Madeleine Fund posting comments on various social media to the extent that they now regret having done so. That cannot be good news for them surely?
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Oh well, that's this weekend's brouhaha done and dusted. What will you lot contrive to have a big drama about next weekend I wonder? &%+((£
Who lot? The drama was caused by OFM staff, no-one else. They attacked the wrong person and it made the news. What an own goal!
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It would seem that the McCanns have blocked many people who were only pointing out the obvious while others were asking some pretty mild questions but as you stated earlier Alfred, that is their prerogative. The support they once had is slowly but surely eroding, I notice many people who originally contributed to the Madeleine Fund posting comments on various social media to the extent that they now regret having done so. That cannot be good news for them surely?
Do you have any actual evidence to back up your statement that support for the McCanns is slowly but surely eroding? People can say any old rubbish in social media, like I could pretend to have donated to the Amaral Fund and now claim to be dismayed with the way it is being managed. Some actual hard data to back up your belief would be good. For example, how about monitoring the number of people who follow the OFM page on FB or the twitter account? Are people leaving these pages in droves?
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Who lot? The drama was caused by OFM staff, no-one else. They attacked the wrong person and it made the news. What an own goal!
Who did they attack. It was my understanding that they blocked an account and when challenged about it, gave their reasons for doing so. And you interpret this as an attack do you?
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Who brought this tittle-tattle non-event to our attention in the first place? If I didn't read here I would not have been aware of it.
It was a story to be read and well done to FL to bringing the toy/pram chucking episode to our attention and not a NON EVENT...IE, an ambassador for Missing People (and/or her rep) blocks an entire Twitter hashtag on the search for a missing person? because she/they don't like some of the followers??Get real!!!
But you milked it all along trying to play it down, massive fail by the FM Webmaster and ditto for you
Even without this story your raison detre seems to be the tittle tattle of everywhere else, all the horrible trolls, and all the horrible people here, go on own up, it's the only honest thng to do lol
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a further 600 people have liked that post on Fb since 6pm this evening, bringing the total to over 13k. Supportive messages well over 2000 now. Support for the McCanns has never been stronger by the looks of it.
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It was a story to be read and well done to FL to bringing the toy/pram chucking episode to our attention and not a NON EVENT
But you milked it all along trying to play it down, massive fail by the FM Webmaster and ditto for you
Even without this story your raison detre seems to be the tittle tattle of everywhere else, all the horrible trolls, and all the horrible people here, go on own up, it's the only honest thng to do lol
not remotely provocative.
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not remotely provocative.
Factual and it's a bit rich coming from you talking about provocation, zzzz
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It would seem that the McCanns have blocked many people who were only pointing out the obvious while others were asking some pretty mild questions but as you stated earlier Alfred, that is their prerogative. The support they once had is slowly but surely eroding, I notice many people who originally contributed to the Madeleine Fund posting comments on various social media to the extent that they now regret having done so. That cannot be good news for them surely?
It's quite obvious that with the passage of time fewer and fewer people will remain as interested in this case as they used to be. I don't believe it's because their views have changed. It's just a fact of life.
The only posts I have read elsewhere by people expressing regret that they once supported the McCanns are on sceptic sites and IMO are folk who have been taken in by the lies, myths and disinformation which still abound on those sites - where, unlike our Forum, no-one is allowed to challenge them - and so they remain misinformed.
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Oh dear
'Find Madeleine
@findmadeleine
Due to the continuous abuse and negativity on Twitter, we will be removing our account within the next few days.''
Cutting off their nose to spite their face springs to mind
Let alone attempting to absolve themselves of responsibility for their latest little self engendered fiasco, how sad are they? No different to the years long activity of farming out of the guilt
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Oh dear
'Find Madeleine
@findmadeleine
Due to the continuous abuse and negativity on Twitter, we will be removing our account within the next few days.''
Cutting off their nose to spite their face springs to mind
Let alone attempting to absolve themselves of responsibility for their latest little self engendered fiasco, how sad are they? No different to the years long activity of farming out of the guilt
Had you been watching, you'd have seen the anti-McCann propaganda on the Find Ben Needham account. This is totally undesirable to both the McCanns & the Needhams SUPPORT groups.
The "group" have achieved what they set out to do - nullify another public outlet for the McCanns whilst making it appear the McCanns webmasters were the authors of their own downfall.
Sick & beyond contempt.
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If you say so Misty it must be true
(But I don't believe you)
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If you say so Misty it must be true
(But I don't believe you)
Let me give you an example. There was a photo of K & G, dressed in black, with pitchforks and speech bubbles containing comments about not believing the McCanns & the consequences to all missing people. Posted by the clown going under the pseudonym Ben Thompson & reposted by 2 others when I looked earlier on Sunday.
It has now been removed.
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Let me give you an example. There was a photo of K & G, dressed in black, with pitchforks and speech bubbles containing comments about not believing the McCanns & the consequences to all missing people. Posted by the clown going under the pseudonym Ben Thompson & reposted by 2 others when I looked earlier on Sunday.
It has now been removed.
No excuse to block a whole hashtag for a missing child/ok adult now for one or two idiots, not as if the majority if @findben twitter ers were doing this kind of thing, anyway, don't care anymore, IMO the FM webmaster should have known better than to create a drama over nothing, it backfired and made them look like a silly nasty child, and one that had to go undo what they did, that will have taught them, that's my lot, see ya,bed calls
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No excuse to block a whole hashtag for a missing child/ok adult now for one or two idiots, not as if the majority if @findben twitter ers were doing this kind of thing, anyway, don't care anymore, IMO the FM webmaster should have known better than to create a drama over nothing, it backfired and made them look like a silly nasty child, and one that had to go undo what they did, that will have taught them, that's my lot, see ya,bed calls
The two hashtags have operated quite smoothly & trouble-free for a long while- until this week.
For the past few months, there has been trouble on McCann related social media & forums.
Why? Who stands to gain? Or rather - who is so intent on causing as much trouble as they can for the McCanns?
I leave you to ponder. I know what I believe.. Night.
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The two hashtags have operated quite smoothly & trouble-free for a long while- until this week.
For the past few months, there has been trouble on McCann related social media & forums.
Why? Who stands to gain? Or rather - who is so intent on causing as much trouble as they can for the McCanns?
I leave you to ponder. I know what I believe.. Night.
The people who do this misty are the sick people who have been doing it for years, who wants such people on the find Madeleine tag which is there to highlight the disappearance of Madeleine and other children, it is sad that things have had to come to this, but I understand why, they would take over with their disgusting tweets and the tag would be a shambles. Their sole purpose it to derail the find Madeleine tag in every which way they can. They make sick tweets and show even sicker photo's. I doubt if the webmaster has taken this decision lightly but to save the tag from these people I can't see what else they can do.
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Oh dear
'Find Madeleine
@findmadeleine
Due to the continuous abuse and negativity on Twitter, we will be removing our account within the next few days.''
Cutting off their nose to spite their face springs to mind
Let alone attempting to absolve themselves of responsibility for their latest little self engendered fiasco, how sad are they? No different to the years long activity of farming out of the guilt
pretty much everyone who is supportive of the campaign to find Madeleine gets bullied off twitter in the end - sad but true. Anyway, a good decision - leave twitter to the tw..s.
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pretty much everyone who is supportive of the campaign to find Madeleine gets bullied off twitter in the end - sad but true. Anyway, a good decision - leave twitter to the tw..s.
Sara Payne had to leave twitter.
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pretty much everyone who is supportive of the campaign to find Madeleine gets bullied off twitter in the end - sad but true. Anyway, a good decision - leave twitter to the tw..s.
I presume you include the mccann supporting version of those as well ?
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I presume you include the mccann supporting version of those as well ?
Are there McCann supporters leaving disgusting messages on a support group for a missing child?
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Are there McCann supporters leaving disgusting messages on a support group for a missing child?
Strangely enough I haven't seen these 'disgusting messages'. Have you ?
However, I have seen disgusting messages from both sides of the fence.
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Strangely enough I haven't seen these 'disgusting messages'. Have you ?
However, I have seen disgusting messages from both sides of the fence.
Then you don't know what you are talking about. The Facebook group who followed the findMadeleine tag before it was blocked posted a lot of nasty disgusting tweets about the McCann's
No pro McCann has tagged a missing child group and done the same.
If there were pro McCann's tweeting on the Find Ben Needham tag and leaving nasty tweets what would you say about that?
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Then you don't know what you are talking about. The Facebook group who followed the findMadeleine tag before it was blocked posted a lot of nasty disgusting tweets about the McCann's
No pro McCann has tagged a missing child group and done the same.
If there were pro McCann's tweeting on the Find Ben Needham tag and leaving nasty tweets what would you say about that?
I notice you didn't answer my question.
Have you seen these tweets ?
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I notice you didn't answer my question.
Have you seen these tweets ?
Yes
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I notice you didn't answer my question.
Have you seen these tweets ?
the mcanns and supporters seema bit agitated over the court case in 2 days dont they i wonder why @)(++(*
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the mcanns and supporters seema bit agitated over the court case in 2 days dont they i wonder why @)(++(*
I can't imagine.
However, their bluster will increase.
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I must say, I've got to laugh at how twitter gets blamed for all the McCanns woes while they block critics on Facebook. The difficulty for them is that they cannot manipulate either giant and people will have their say. Twitter has more than sufficient safeguards in place to protect any user from abuse. Our sister site was blocked by @findmadeleine ages ago which says it all really.
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I must say, I've got to laugh at how twitter gets blamed for all the McCanns woes while they block critics on Facebook. The difficulty for them is that they cannot manipulate either giant and people will have their say. Twitter has more than sufficient safeguards in place to protect any user from abuse.
exactly john hypocrites much??? mcann supporters or the mcanns will never silence anyone
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I must say, I've got to laugh at how twitter gets blamed for all the McCanns woes while they block critics on Facebook. The difficulty for them is that they cannot manipulate either giant and people will have their say. Twitter has more than sufficient safeguards in place to protect any user from abuse.
Precisely.
Let's not forget either, that the mccanns don't use social media. 8**8:/:
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I must say, I've got to laugh at how twitter gets blamed for all the McCanns woes while they block critics on Facebook. The difficulty for them is that they cannot manipulate either giant and people will have their say. Twitter has more than sufficient safeguards in place to protect any user from abuse.
is that why Sarah Payne's mom was driven off twittere
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Precisely.
Let's not forget either, that the mccanns don't use social media. 8**8:/:
yep get others to do their dirty work for them right 8**8:/:
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I must say, I've got to laugh at how twitter gets blamed for all the McCanns woes while they block critics on Facebook. The difficulty for them is that they cannot manipulate either giant and people will have their say. Twitter has more than sufficient safeguards in place to protect any user from abuse. Our sister site was blocked by @findmadeleine ages ago which says it all really.
It's not twitter it's the people who tweet John.
Sara Payne had to leave twitter because of the abuse she got.
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yep get others to do their dirty work for them right 8**8:/:
What dirty work would that be? Starting a tag called Find Madeleine?
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What dirty work would that be? Starting a tag called Find Madeleine?
I'm at a disadvantage here, Lace, I would rather would rather sit and watch a newly painted wall dry out.
I despair at people who directly attack a missing little girl using the medium set up to publicise her and other missing people.
Make no mistake about it there is nothing which can excuse attacking something set up for those intentions.
Yes, distress may well have been caused to the Drs McCann who have done everything humanly possible to keep their daughter's persona in the public conciousness and no doubt their are those who take great delight in that victory.
Perhaps they should stop to think about the main casualty of their malice ... Madeleine McCann ... and the publicity given to other missing people as a result of reading Madeleine's #.
Actions speak so much louder than words ...
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I'm at a disadvantage here, Lace, I would rather would rather sit and watch a newly painted wall dry out.
I despair at people who directly attack a missing little girl using the medium set up to publicise her and other missing people.
Make no mistake about it there is nothing which can excuse attacking something set up for those intentions.
Yes, distress may well have been caused to the Drs McCann who have done everything humanly possible to keep their daughter's persona in the public conciousness and no doubt their are those who take great delight in that victory.
Perhaps they should stop to think about the main casualty of their malice ... Madeleine McCann ... and the publicity given to other missing people as a result of reading Madeleine's #.
Actions speak so much louder than words ...
The Drs mccann are responsible for what they failed to do.
Never forget that.
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The Drs mccann are responsible for what they failed to do.
Never forget that.
I have nothing to forget, Stephen.
I was able to enjoy with my eldest daughter her first day at school and the highs and the lows of her life since then and I am eternally grateful for that because my life has certainly been enhanced by her presence.
Why there are people who use Madeleine McCann as a conduit for censuring her parents, the latest petty, contrived assault on the Find Madeleine social media vehicles being a prime example, is way beyond my understanding.
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The Drs mccann are responsible for what they failed to do.
Never forget that.
They are not
Maddie is the victim of a criminal act by a stranger
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I presume you include the mccann supporting version of those as well ?
Yes, though they are vastly outnumbered by "sceptics". Says it all really.
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They are not
Maddie is the victim of a criminal act by a stranger
You don't know that.
That is your belief.
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They are not
Maddie is the victim of a criminal act by a stranger
If a stranger got into G5A and took Madeleine he was able to do so because either a door or window wasn't secured. In addition there was no-one there to stop him or her.
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I have nothing to forget, Stephen.
I was able to enjoy with my eldest daughter her first day at school and the highs and the lows of her life since then and I am eternally grateful for that because my life has certainly been enhanced by her presence.
Why there are people who use Madeleine McCann as a conduit for censuring her parents, the latest petty, contrived assault on the Find Madeleine social media vehicles being a prime example, is way beyond my understanding.
What has your eldest daughters first day at school got to do with this case ?
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What has your eldest daughters first day at school got to do with this case ?
it doresnt have anything to do with it stephen she like other mcann supporters use emotional black mail to try and defend what the mcanns did
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it doresnt have anything to do with it stephen she like other mcann supporters use emotional black mail to try and defend what the mcanns did
Precisely.
It doesn't wash with me.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-remove-official-6577584
Madeleine McCann's parents remove official Twitter account because of 'continuous abuse' from trolls
14:13, 5 Oct 2015
Updated 14:50, 5 Oct 2015
By Richard Wheatstone
The decision was taken by parents Gerry and Kate McCann because of the "hatred and sheer viciousness" directed at the family on the site
Madeleine McCann
Missing: Campaigners have worked to find Madeleine McCann since she vanished in 2007
The official Twitter account of the Find Madeleine campaign has been taken down because of 'continuous abuse and negativity' from online trolls.
The decision was made by Maddie's parents Gerry and Kate McCann in the aftermath of a row with the Find Ben Needham Twitter account.
The Find Maddie account blocked the Ben Needham campaign on Twitter, saying "We do not want to be associated with some of the types of people they (@FindBen Needham) follow."
Ben Needham's mum has previously criticised the money spent by police on the search for Madeleine compared to her son - who disappeared in Greece 24 years ago - and other missing children.
Just hours after blocking the account, a statement was posted on the 'Find Madeleine' Facebook account saying the campaign would remove itself from the 'toxic' social media site.
The statement said: "After talking with Kate and Gerry yesterday, we have decided to delete our Twitter account and focus on Facebook.
"They agree it's time to remove ourselves from a place that allows so much toxic content to be directed at us and does not permit us the ability to protect ourselves from people who want to damage the search for Madeleine.
"When I started our Facebook and Twitter accounts in 2008, I convinced Kate and Gerry it was a great way to raise awareness. Since that time, I have witnessed overwhelming kindness. There is no doubt that the good far outweigh the bad.
"I have been dismayed, however, at some of the hatred and sheer viciousness directed at Kate and Gerry through our social media accounts for no logical reason at all. At times, it has had me in tears.
"It is hard to accept that some people can be so cruel to a family that has already experienced the worst pain imaginable.
"Further, in the past three weeks on Twitter, we have found ourselves in the uncomfortable position of being expected to "follow" people who align themselves with accounts that abuse us in the most vile ways on a regular basis.
"I believe individuals and social media accounts who do not block people who abuse others are condoning that abuse and providing a platform for it.
"As a result, deleting our Twitter account is the only option left to protect ourselves and the search for Madeleine.
Madeleine has been missing since 2007 when she vanished from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal.
Home Office minister Lord Bates recently revealed up to the end of June £10.1million had been spent on the search.
And the department has planned for extra funds of at least £2million to cover the case over the next 12 months.
Last year Metropolitan Police officers were sent to Praia da Luz to further investigate her disappearance.[/b]
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-remove-official-6577584
Madeleine McCann's parents remove official Twitter account because of 'continuous abuse' from trolls
14:13, 5 Oct 2015
Updated 14:50, 5 Oct 2015
By Richard Wheatstone
The decision was taken by parents Gerry and Kate McCann because of the "hatred and sheer viciousness" directed at the family on the site
Madeleine McCann
Missing: Campaigners have worked to find Madeleine McCann since she vanished in 2007
The official Twitter account of the Find Madeleine campaign has been taken down because of 'continuous abuse and negativity' from online trolls.
The decision was made by Maddie's parents Gerry and Kate McCann in the aftermath of a row with the Find Ben Needham Twitter account.
The Find Maddie account blocked the Ben Needham campaign on Twitter, saying "We do not want to be associated with some of the types of people they (@FindBen Needham) follow."
Ben Needham's mum has previously criticised the money spent by police on the search for Madeleine compared to her son - who disappeared in Greece 24 years ago - and other missing children.
Just hours after blocking the account, a statement was posted on the 'Find Madeleine' Facebook account saying the campaign would remove itself from the 'toxic' social media site.
The statement said: "After talking with Kate and Gerry yesterday, we have decided to delete our Twitter account and focus on Facebook.
"They agree it's time to remove ourselves from a place that allows so much toxic content to be directed at us and does not permit us the ability to protect ourselves from people who want to damage the search for Madeleine.
"When I started our Facebook and Twitter accounts in 2008, I convinced Kate and Gerry it was a great way to raise awareness. Since that time, I have witnessed overwhelming kindness. There is no doubt that the good far outweigh the bad.
"I have been dismayed, however, at some of the hatred and sheer viciousness directed at Kate and Gerry through our social media accounts for no logical reason at all. At times, it has had me in tears.
"It is hard to accept that some people can be so cruel to a family that has already experienced the worst pain imaginable.
"Further, in the past three weeks on Twitter, we have found ourselves in the uncomfortable position of being expected to "follow" people who align themselves with accounts that abuse us in the most vile ways on a regular basis.
"I believe individuals and social media accounts who do not block people who abuse others are condoning that abuse and providing a platform for it.
"As a result, deleting our Twitter account is the only option left to protect ourselves and the search for Madeleine.
Madeleine has been missing since 2007 when she vanished from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal.
Home Office minister Lord Bates recently revealed up to the end of June £10.1million had been spent on the search.
And the department has planned for extra funds of at least £2million to cover the case over the next 12 months.
Last year Metropolitan Police officers were sent to Praia da Luz to further investigate her disappearance.[/b]
It's a sad day when individuals who have given their time and effort to help find a missing child are bullied to the point of tears and forced off social media.
What a marvellous victory for the twitter trolls and bullies - they must be so proud of their actions. I bet the #McCann tag is a positive gloat-fest now, though they may come to miss the opportunity to post their hatred directly at the OFM account.
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playing the victim card again. who is this person reduced to tears? is that another shadow.
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It's a sad day when individuals who have given their time and effort to help find a missing child are bullied to the point of tears and forced off social media.
What a marvellous victory for the twitter trolls and bullies - they must be so proud of their actions. I bet the #McCann tag is a positive gloat-fest now, though they may come to miss the opportunity to post their hatred directly at the OFM account.
I dare say they are quite pleased if they have managed to shut down part of the McCann PR machine.
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It's a sad day when individuals who have given their time and effort to help find a missing child are bullied to the point of tears and forced off social media.
What a marvellous victory for the twitter trolls and bullies - they must be so proud of their actions. I bet the #McCann tag is a positive gloat-fest now, though they may come to miss the opportunity to post their hatred directly at the OFM account.
Instead of taking satisfaction on their achievement ... they should perhaps take a step back and consider the enormous own goal they have scored.
Madeleine McCann Twitter account deleted due to 'toxic' abuse
**Snip
“I want to thank a member of our team who took on Twitter the past year. She has done a brilliant job and was able to focus on it much more than I could. She highlighted many other missing children and she was able to create relationships with other missing children’s families to offer support. She will take on a new role here on Facebook for us--where we will highlight more missing children and offer our support.
“Thank you to all who come here to support our campaign and most of all Madeleine. SHE is what is important, and our job is to get her home. FM Webmaster”
http://www.loughboroughecho.net/news/local-news/madeleine-mccann-twitter-account-deleted-10200935?
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I dare say they are quite pleased if they have managed to shut down part of the McCann PR machine.
The PR machine designed to keep Maddie in the public eye... What vile people they are
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If a stranger got into G5A and took Madeleine he was able to do so because either a door or window wasn't secured. In addition there was no-one there to stop him or her.
So n your view the abductor is not to blame
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How disturbing to know there are people around who actually want Madeleine to be forgotten about and never found - for no other reason than to spite her parents. Very sad.
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I dare say they are quite pleased if they have managed to shut down part of the McCann PR machine.
Publicity for Madeleine and others? It would take a weird sort of person to take pleasure in shutting down part of their PR machine. The people responsible have I believe scored a massive own goal by their actions ... people aren't stupid and I feel they will not approve as the full story of this escapade is relayed to them.
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So n your view the abductor is not to blame
Ah, make believe time again.
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Publicity for Madeleine and others? It would take a weird sort of person to take pleasure in shutting down part of their PR machine. The people responsible have I believe scored a massive own goal by their actions ... people aren't stupid and I feel they will not approve as the full story of this escapade is relayed to them.
Don't suppose the countless millions who go nowhere near the likes of Twitter will pay it much heed.
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How disturbing to know there are people around who actually want Madeleine to be forgotten about and never found - for no other reason than to spite her parents. Very sad.
I think it goes further than that Benice. These people cannot be ignorant of the potential effect of their actions on Madeleine and attacking the public media campaign set up for her is just one of the spiteful attempts on her reopened case.
It can only backfire on them.
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I think it goes further than that Benice. These people cannot be ignorant of the potential effect of their actions on Madeleine and attacking the public media campaign set up for her is just one of the spiteful attempts on her reopened case.
It can only backfire on them.
The backfire is on the mccanns.
People can read between the lines, even if you think they can't.
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Don't suppose the countless millions who go nowhere near the likes of Twitter will pay it much heed.
It is no longer a twitter spat. They have the publicity they crave. I think they may find that was not such a good idea after all.
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I dare say they are quite pleased if they have managed to shut down part of the McCann PR machine.
From what I could see of the OFM twitter account many of the tweets were appeals to find missing children other than Madeleine - so yes, I expect you're right, these trolls are probably thrilled that there's one fewer account doing all it can to help find missing people.
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No doubt there are plenty of other sites dedicated to missing people for those who follow such things.
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The backfire is on the mccanns.
People cab read between the lines, even if you think they can't.
Absolutely. There will be no 'backfire' on the Drs McCann. The recognition will be of the continual onslaught they suffer as a result of their campaigns on behalf of Madeleine and others.
The 'questioners' have scored a massive own goal ... I believe you can see that even if you won't admit it.
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Absolutely. There will be no 'backfire' on the Drs McCann. The recognition will be of the continual onslaught they suffer as a result of their campaigns on behalf of Madeleine and others.
The 'questioners' have scored a massive own goal ... I believe you can see that even if you won't admit it.
Own goal.
All that this has revealed, is who is behind the Facebook Page.
Even you can see that.
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Meanwhile, it has also revealed that the ones supporting the mccanns don't give a #### about any other missing children.
It's always been about protecting the mcccanns, and unless you are in la-la land you know that's the truth.
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Meanwhile, it has also revealed that the ones supporting the mccanns don't give a #### about any other missing children.
It's always been about protecting the mcccanns, and unless you are in la-la land you know that's the truth.
Perhaps you could cite some examples of fundraising the sceptic community have engaged in to support Missing People.
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No doubt there are plenty of other sites dedicated to missing people for those who follow such things.
The difference is - you have to make a concerted effort to visit those sites, whereas an appeal for a missing person could pop up in your twitter feed within a few hours of that person being declared missing and needing to be found. I don't expect you to understand, nor to see why trolls bullying off the OFM twitter account is any big deal &%&£(+
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Perhaps you could cite some examples of fundraising the sceptic community have engaged in to support Missing People.
What pathetic response.
How many donors broadcast their name ?
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The difference is - you have to make a concerted effort to visit those sites, whereas an appeal for a missing person could pop up in your twitter feed within a few hours of that person being declared missing and needing to be found. I don't expect you to understand, nor to see why trolls bullying off the OFM twitter account is any big deal &%&£(+
What most people will see, once they have examined the facts, is that this as always is all about the mccanns.
Not Madeleine.
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What pathetic response.
How many donors broadcast their name ?
The sceptic community seem quite happy to broadcast their names when offering financial backing to a convicted perjurer. Is it such an embarrassment to them to be seen supporting a charity for missing people? Rhetorical question - it makes them hypocrites.
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The sceptic community seem quite happy to broadcast their names when offering financial backing to a convicted perjurer. Is it such an embarrassment to them to be seen supporting a charity for missing people? Rhetorical question - it makes them hypocrites.
What a load of rollocks.
All this backlash from the mccanns, and it is the mccanns, seems to rather nicely coincide with the start of the appeal, does it not. %£&)**# %£&)**# %£&)**#
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No doubt there are plenty of other sites dedicated to missing people for those who follow such things.
Probably!
I thought this was interesting:
Content
Content of tweets according to Pear Analytics
News (3.6%)
Spam (3.8%)
Self-promotion (5.9%)
Pointless babble (40.1%)
Conversational (37.6%)
Pass-along value (8.7%)
San Antonio-based market-research firm Pear Analytics analyzed 2,000 tweets (originating from the United States and in English) over a two-week period in August 2009 from 11:00 am to 5:00 pm (CST) and separated them into six categories:[116]
Pointless babble – 40%
Conversational – 38%
Pass-along value – 9%
Self-promotion – 6%
Spam – 4%
News – 4%
If the sample were typical?
I wonder why the decision to ditch it was taken in the past 24 hours?
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So n your view the abductor is not to blame
If there was an abductor he/she is obviously to blame for what they did. They must have been well pleased with how easy it was made for them too.
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If there was an abductor he/she is obviously to blame for what they did. They must have been well pleased with how easy it was made for them too.
A fair enough response
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Own goal.
All that this has revealed, is who is behind the Facebook Page.
Even you can see that.
I suppose you have heard of a "Pyrrhic victory". I believe we have just witnessed one.
There can be no justification for bombarding a site set up with the best of intentions on behalf of a missing child.
There can be no justification in the failed attempt to pit the families of two children, both of whom were stolen when they were little more than babies, at each others throats.
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What most people will see, once they have examined the facts, is that this as always is all about the mccanns.
Not Madeleine.
So it helps Madeleine McCann to interfere with the search for her in what way?
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I suppose you have heard of a "Pyrrhic victory". I believe we have just witnessed one.
There can be no justification for bombarding a site set up with the best of intentions on behalf of a missing child.
There can be no justification in the failed attempt to pit the families of two children, both of whom were stolen when they were little more than babies, at each others throats.
It is not known what happened to Ben, anymore than this case shows any sign of resolution.
All that was revealed at the weekend, was the power behind the throne of the Facebook Page, for those that had any doubts, and by the way that didn't include me.
The self-centred nature of the mccanns, is now even more obvious than before.
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So it helps Madeleine McCann to interfere with the search for her in what way?
This is nothing to do with Madeleine, it's all about the mccanns, as it always was.
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What a load of rollocks.
All this backlash from the mccanns, and it is the mccanns, seems to rather nicely coincide with the start of the appeal, does it not. %£&)**# %£&)**# %£&)**#
Are you saying it was the Drs McCann who hate bombed Madeleine's twitter tag? I think you may be placing more importance on Mr Amaral's appeal than it merits ... it is recognised worldwide that he lost the libel trial ... and that is what matters.
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It is not known what happened to Ben, anymore than this case shows any sign of resolution.
All that was revealed at the weekend, was the power behind the throne of the Facebook Page, for those that had any doubts, and by the way that didn't include me.
The self-centred nature of the mccanns, is now even more obvious than before.
Terribly self centred of Madeleine McCann's parents to want her back is it not? Using social media to promote her cause and that of others is selfish in the extreme??
Do you ever read your posts before submitting them?
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Terribly self centred of Madeleine McCann's parents to want her back is it not? Using social media to promote her cause and that of others is selfish in the extreme??
Do you ever read your posts before submitting them?
Back from where brietta ?
La-la land ?
........and yes I do, in answer to your question.
It is a pity you don't read mine thoroughly, and then you might comprehend them.
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This is nothing to do with Madeleine, it's all about the mccanns, as it always was.
Oh? the Official Find Madeleine # is nothing to do with Madeleine McCann. Wonder why along with thousands of others I thought that was exactly what it was all about?
The clue may be in the name.
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Back from where brietta ?
La-la land ?
........and yes I do, in answer to your question.
It is a pity you don't read mine thoroughly, and then you might comprehend them.
The thing is Stephen, your recourse to ad hominem attack reveals that you either have nothing of substance to say or you cannot counter the argument being made.
If the intention was not to damage Madeleine's cause ... what prompted people to send horrible tweets to her #?
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Are you saying it was the Drs McCann who hate bombed Madeleine's twitter tag? I think you may be placing more importance on Mr Amaral's appeal than it merits ... it is recognised worldwide that he lost the libel trial ... and that is what matters.
Is it known who did the twitter comments ?
As to drs. mccann.......................
As to the 'libel' trial brietta, did it say libel trial in the court documents ???
and can you remind me of two points ?
1. How much money have they received from Amaral ?
2. How many points they failed to prove in Court ?
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The thing is Stephen, your recourse to ad hominem attack reveals that you either have nothing of substance to say or you cannot counter the argument being made.
If the intention was not to damage Madeleine's cause ... what prompted people to send horrible tweets to her #?
How pathetic and so predictable.
The mccann supporter instruction package in operation to try and denigrate a poster.
Oh by the way, how exactly can Madeleine receive tweets ?
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Have a read brietta.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153734562779162&id=6149699161
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Have a read brietta.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153734562779162&id=6149699161
Mmm Not very sympathetic or supportive, are they.
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Mmm Not very sympathetic or supportive, are they.
I wonder why ? &%+((£
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Is it known who did the twitter comments ?
As to drs. mccann.......................
As to the 'libel' trial brietta, did it say libel trial in the court documents ???
and can you remind me of two points ?
1. How much money have they received from Amaral ?
2. How many points they failed to prove in Court ?
The world's press print LIBEL TRIAL ... and since that is precisely what precipitated action being taken that is what the Drs McCann have won ... and it is recognised as such from one end of the globe to the other ... and you should perhaps take it to the appropriate thread if you wish to discuss it further.
Re the twitter comments, personally I have no idea who would be so full of hate... I do not tweet ... but reading the premature crowing on other fora gives me an indication of the type of person who sees nothing wrong in trying to derail an innocent child's social media site.
Takes all kinds I suppose ... but I wouldn't be so keen to put my nom de plume forward in defence of such.
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Has the site been taken down yet, or is still pending ?
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Have a read brietta.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153734562779162&id=6149699161
Good Lord! ... you are directing me to a 'comments' section in a red top. Do move on.
You asked me who bombed Madeleine's twitter account ... look no further.
By the way ... I read none of these ... I don't need to. I've read them all before, and there are only as many of them as the number of accounts one can be disturbed enough to take out and misuse.
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The world's press print LIBEL TRIAL ... and since that is precisely what precipitated action being taken that is what the Drs McCann have won ... and it is recognised as such from one end of the globe to the other ... and you should perhaps take it to the appropriate thread if you wish to discuss it further.
Re the twitter comments, personally I have no idea who would be so full of hate... I do not tweet ... but reading the premature crowing on other fora gives me an indication of the type of person who sees nothing wrong in trying to derail an innocent child's social media site.
Takes all kinds I suppose ... but I wouldn't be so keen to put my nom de plume forward in defence of such.
What does it say on the court documents dear ?
Has it ever crossed your mind that people are sick and tired of the mccanns bleating ?
You need to remember it should be about Madeleine ant the parents who left her and her siblings in unnecessary danger.
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The thing is Stephen, your recourse to ad hominem attack reveals that you either have nothing of substance to say or you cannot counter the argument being made.
If the intention was not to damage Madeleine's cause ... what prompted people to send horrible tweets to her #?
Who is her?
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Good Lord! ... you are directing me to a 'comments' section in a red top. Do move on.
You asked me who bombed Madeleine's twitter account ... look no further.
By the way ... I read none of these ... I don't need to. I've read them all before, and there are only as many of them as the number of accounts one can be disturbed enough to take out and misuse.
They are from the Mirror Facebook.
Get your head out of the sand.
You really don't get it, do you.
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Who is her?
Brietta has been editing her own post.
'Her' was Madeleine.
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Brietta has been editing her own post.
'Her' was Madeleine.
I wonder how you could tweet her?
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The thing is Stephen, your recourse to ad hominem attack reveals that you either have nothing of substance to say or you cannot counter the argument being made.
If the intention was not to damage Madeleine's cause ... what prompted people to send horrible tweets to her #?
What is her 'cause' and how is it damaged?
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I wonder how you could tweet her?
Perhaps brietta knows.
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What does it say on the court documents dear ?
Has it ever crossed your mind that people are sick and tired of the mccanns bleating ?
You need to remember it should be about Madeleine ant the parents who left her and her siblings in unnecessary danger.
There is absolutely no justification for the mentality behind the deliberate offensive against Madeleine McCann's twitter account and the resulting furore of the past couple of days.
Madeleine McCann is an innocent child ... attacking her parents using her twitter account as a conduit is not an action in which caring people would indulge themselves.
You recognise this ... hence your attempts at deflection.
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There is absolutely no justification for the mentality behind the deliberate offensive against Madeleine McCann's twitter account and the resulting furore of the past couple of days.
Madeleine McCann is an innocent child ... attacking her parents using her twitter account as a conduit is not an action in which caring people would indulge themselves.
You recognise this ... hence your attempts at deflection.
I'm not deflecting.
You have been caught out with your nonsense tonight.
Time for you, to get real.
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What is the opinion on here regarding the trolls who posted anti-McCann propaganda on the Find Ben Needham site, which was the catalyst for this uproar? Do the sceptics support this behaviour?
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There is absolutely no justification for the mentality behind the deliberate offensive against Madeleine McCann's twitter account and the resulting furore of the past couple of days.
Madeleine McCann is an innocent child ... attacking her parents using her twitter account as a conduit is not an action in which caring people would indulge themselves.
You recognise this ... hence your attempts at deflection.
Madeleine dies not have a Twitter account. (You need to be 13 anyway).
Stop pretending this is about Madeleine. No one has anything against Madeleine and would be delighted if she were found.
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What is the opinion on here regarding the trolls who posted anti-McCann propaganda on the Find Ben Needham site, which was the catalyst for this uproar? Do the sceptics support this behaviour?
Some examples?
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Some examples?
The posts have all been removed by the administrators, and rightly so. Who wants to click on a site supporting Kerry's cause & see the vile tweeters who claim to be seeking "justice for Madeleine" in their own inimitable style?
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What is her 'cause' and how is it damaged?
The only ruling on this was in court in Lisbon where the "cause" was the search and judge said it wasn't damaged.
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The only ruling on this was in court in Lisbon where the "cause" was the search and judge said it wasn't damaged.
The judge probably felt that a ruling in favour of the McCanns on that one might give Amaral an obvious excuse for appeal ....
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No doubt there are plenty of other sites dedicated to missing people for those who follow such things.
Indeed jassi and ones adult enough not to 'take their ball back ' when things don't go their way.
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Perhaps you could cite some examples of fundraising the sceptic community have engaged in to support Missing People.
I believe it was a sceptic group fundraising to help send Kerry Needham to Kos that kicked off this debacle.
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Indeed jassi and ones adult enough not to 'take their ball back ' when things don't go their way.
You find local police forces Twitter feeds tend to publish that sort of information on a regular basis.
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The judge probably felt that a ruling in favour of the McCanns on that one might give Amaral an obvious excuse for appeal ....
You don't think she did what she felt was appropriate at law after presentation of all the evidence then?
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I looked at the twitter account and to be honest I don't get how it is of use. It's just pages and pages of appeals asking 'Have you seen' this or that person. Some of them are for Madeleine, some are coming from Missing People or Missing Kids, some from individuals. Some are looking for missing adults, some are about parental abduction and some are for sick children. Would anyone wade through them all and then start looking around for those being 'advertised'? There's hundreds of them. Each appeal can only be of interest to those who post them, and posting them on there means you get lost in the crowd, surely?
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You don't think she did what she felt was appropriate at law after presentation of all the evidence then?
I think the judge couched her judgment so as to make it as difficult as possible for Amaral to sustain an appeal ...
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I think the judge couched her judgment so as to make it as difficult as possible for Amaral to sustain an appeal ...
Why would she do that?
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Such hysteria, dramatics, histrionics, arse covering pity festival and rewriting of the truth, jumped on by the usual suspects to further rewrite the facts, truly puerile, and underhand, nothing more to be said here....
The FM Twitter page was never a target for continual vile and viscious attacks, horrible photoshopped photos etc as claimed, everyone would have heard about it,if it were, why mention it now and close it down after 7 years??
The #mccann is a different kettle of fish and is the place where most critical messages are contained but that is nothing to do with the mccanns or the needhams
And Brietta, if anyone's shot themselves in the foot it's not your beloved "trolls" you only need to read the Mirror and Telegraph articles to see how the FM webmaster and K and G have done exactly that by going on the attack and implicating Kerry Needhams campaign...luckily she is a woman wth grace and dignity and has done her bit to diffuse the effects of the pouring petrol on the fire in this pathetic little fiasco
You have to be blind to not see
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11913054/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-shut-down-Twitter-account-after-being-trolled-by-find-Ben-Needham-supporters.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-remove-official-6577584
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I believe it was a sceptic group fundraising to help send Kerry Needham to Kos that kicked off this debacle.
I contributed to that fund a few months back. There was no animosity at that time. I expressed my amazement that Kerry's fund was languishing at £3k at the time whilst the donations were pouring in to help a man regain his million euro retirement fund. Strange where the sceptics loyalties were/are.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needhams-mum-hits-back-6580099
Ben Needham's mum hits back at Madeleine McCann's parents as they shut Twitter account due to 'trolls'
(http://i.imgur.com/Bf313qt.jpg?1)
5 Oct 2015
By Lucy Thornton, Tracey Kandohla
Kate and Gerry said it was “a great pity” they had to take the action but felt negative postings were hampering the worldwide hunt for their daughter.
(http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6126393.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Kerry-Needham.jpg)
Hurt: Kerry Needham, mother of Bed Needham, has hit back at the McCann's
Ben Needham's mum has said she is "shocked and hurt" after Madeleine McCann's parents have closed down a Twitter account after “toxic” abuse by supporters of missing Ben's family. Kate and Gerry said it was “a great pity” they had to take the action but felt negative postings were hampering the worldwide hunt for their daughter.
READ MORE: Madeleine McCann's parents remove official Twitter account because of 'continuous abuse' from trolls
Kerry Needham said: “It feels like a personal attack on me. It is deeply, deeply hurtful.
“I have myself had massive amounts of slanderous abuse from supporters of the McCann Campaign in the past but I have never taken that personally.
“It’s freedom of speech. But it is getting the names of two missing children out there which is really important.
“I have never criticised the McCann family. I have only every criticised the authorities for the way the two cases have been handled so differently.”
Trouble erupted with the Twitter accounts when the official ‘@findmadeleine’ Twitter feed blocked the ‘@FindBenNeedham’ account at the weekend.
Getty Kate McCann
Closed down: Kate McCann and her husband Gerry McCann have made the decision to shut the Twitter feed
The Greek account @findbengreek was also blocked.
A few hours later both accounts were unblocked after an outcry but now the Madeleine feed has been closed down.
Kerry added: “People were furious at the weekend when they blocked our campaign, so of course they were bound to get more negative comments.
“Ben’s campaign has never been anti McCann - we can’t help the fact that some members of the public give their opinion about the McCann case just the same as people give their opinion about Ben’s case.”
The web chief who runs the official Find Madeleine Campaign and Twitter, endorsed by the McCanns, said of their decision: “They agree it’s time to remove ourselves from a place that allows so much toxic content to be directed at us and does not permit us the ability to protect ourselves from people who want to damage the search for Madeleine.”
Kerry Needham recently questioned the vast amount of British taxpayers’ money spent by police looking for Maddie.
So far £10.1 million has been used by Operation Grange with a further £2 million pledged while less than £800,000 has been spent on the campaign to find Ben.
Kerry’s 21-month-old son Ben vanished in July 1991 from the Greek island of Kos. Three-year-old Maddie disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal’s Praia da Luz in May 2007. Both families believe their children could still be alive.
McCann family spokesperson Clarence Mitchell said: “Kate and Gerry have always supported the campaign to find Ben Needham.
Indeed, they have promoted it on the Find Madeleine Campaign social media platform.
“However, it is a great pity that due to continued, ill informed and abusive comments by some social media users, the decision was made to close the Find Madeleine Twitter account.
“Kate and Gerry continue to wish Kerry Needham the best and hope that one day she will be reunited with Ben, just as they continue to hope that they will similarly be reunited with Madeleine.”
A source close to Maddie’s parents said closing down a Twitter account because of abuse should not be seen as an attack on Ben’s family’s side. Former GP Kate and heart doctor Gerry, both 47, of Rothley, Leics, made the decision to shut down Twitter despite not being social media users themselves. The Facebook campaign will continue to run....
Good to see Kerry being courageous enough to speak out. No need for 'pals', 'sources' or 'webmaster's' to hide behind.
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Madeleine dies not have a Twitter account. (You need to be 13 anyway).
Stop pretending this is about Madeleine. No one has anything against Madeleine and would be delighted if she were found.
What is it about if not Madeleine McCann? If no-one has anything against her is she just collateral damage in the eight year war against her parents?
There is something seriously remiss with those who came up with this super wheeze ... and the last thing they are going to allow to get in their way is any consideration for a missing child.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needhams-mum-hits-back-6580099
Good to see Kerry being courageous enough to speak out. No need for 'pals', 'sources' or 'webmaster's' to hide behind.
Whoops...
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Such hysteria, dramatics, histrionics, arse covering pity festival and rewriting of the truth, jumped on by the usual suspects to further rewrite the facts, truly puerile, and underhand, nothing more to be said here....
The FM Twitter page was never a target for continual vile and viscious attacks, horrible photoshopped photos etc as claimed, everyone would have heard about it,if it were, why mention it now and close it down after 7 years??
The #mccann is a different kettle of fish and is the place where most critical messages are contained but that is nothing to do with the mccanns or the needhams
And Brietta, if anyone's shot themselves in the foot it's not your beloved "trolls" you only need to read the Mirror and Telegraph articles to see how the FM webmaster and K and G have done exactly that by going on the attack and implicating Kerry Needhams campaign...luckily she is a woman wth grace and dignity and has done her bit to diffuse the effects of the pouring petrol on the fire in this pathetic little fiasco
You have to be blind to not see
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11913054/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-shut-down-Twitter-account-after-being-trolled-by-find-Ben-Needham-supporters.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-remove-official-6577584
Congratulations Mercury ... that is exactly the terms in which to couch a response to a post or posts whith which you disagree. There are posters who could learn from that.
Isn't it extraordinary though how you and I perceive things from the opposite sides of the spectrum ... you have your interpretation, I have mine and never the twain shall meet.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needhams-mum-hits-back-6580099
Ben Needham's mum hits back at Madeleine McCann's parents as they shut Twitter account due to 'trolls'
Mirror
5 Oct 2015
By Lucy Thornton , Tracey Kandohla
Kate and Gerry said it was “a great pity” they had to take the action but felt negative postings were hampering the worldwide hunt for their daughter
Hurt: Kerry Needham, mother of Bed Needham, has hit back at the McCann's
Ben Needham's mum has said she is "shocked and hurt" after Madeleine McCann's parents have closed down a Twitter account after “toxic” abuse by supporters of missing Ben's family. Kate and Gerry said it was “a great pity” they had to take the action but felt negative postings were hampering the worldwide hunt for their daughter.
READ MORE: Madeleine McCann's parents remove official Twitter account because of 'continuous abuse' from trolls
Kerry Needham said: “It feels like a personal attack on me. It is deeply, deeply hurtful.
“I have myself had massive amounts of slanderous abuse from supporters of the McCann Campaign in the past but I have never taken that personally.
“It’s freedom of speech. But it is getting the names of two missing children out there which is really important.
“I have never criticised the McCann family. I have only every criticised the authorities for the way the two cases have been handled so differently.”
Trouble erupted with the Twitter accounts when the official ‘@findmadeleine’ Twitter feed blocked the ‘@FindBenNeedham’ account at the weekend.
Getty Kate McCann
Closed down: Kate McCann and her husband Gerry McCann have made the decision to shut the Twitter feed
The Greek account @findbengreek was also blocked.
A few hours later both accounts were unblocked after an outcry but now the Madeleine feed has been closed down.
Kerry added: “People were furious at the weekend when they blocked our campaign, so of course they were bound to get more negative comments.
“Ben’s campaign has never been anti McCann - we can’t help the fact that some members of the public give their opinion about the McCann case just the same as people give their opinion about Ben’s case.”
The web chief who runs the official Find Madeleine Campaign and Twitter, endorsed by the McCanns, said of their decision: “They agree it’s time to remove ourselves from a place that allows so much toxic content to be directed at us and does not permit us the ability to protect ourselves from people who want to damage the search for Madeleine.”
Kerry Needham recently questioned the vast amount of British taxpayers’ money spent by police looking for Maddie.
So far £10.1 million has been used by Operation Grange with a further £2 million pledged while less than £800,000 has been spent on the campaign to find Ben.
Kerry’s 21-month-old son Ben vanished in July 1991 from the Greek island of Kos. Three-year-old Maddie disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal’s Praia da Luz in May 2007. Both families believe their children could still be alive.
McCann family spokesperson Clarence Mitchell said: “Kate and Gerry have always supported the campaign to find Ben Needham.
Indeed, they have promoted it on the Find Madeleine Campaign social media platform.
“However, it is a great pity that due to continued, ill informed and abusive comments by some social media users, the decision was made to close the Find Madeleine Twitter account.
“Kate and Gerry continue to wish Kerry Needham the best and hope that one day she will be reunited with Ben, just as they continue to hope that they will similarly be reunited with Madeleine.”
A source close to Maddie’s parents said closing down a Twitter account because of abuse should not be seen as an attack on Ben’s family’s side. Former GP Kate and heart doctor Gerry, both 47, of Rothley, Leics, made the decision to shut down Twitter despite not being social media users themselves. The Facebook campaign will continue to run....
Good to see Kerry being courageous enough to speak out. No need for 'pals', 'sources' or 'webmaster's' to hide behind.
Indeed, truth is simple, lies are convoluted
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Why would she do that?
Perhaps because her instinct (within bounds of what Portuguese law allows) is to apprehend the justice of the McCamms' claim, an instinct, perhaps, sharpened by Amaral's prevarication and delay during the course of legal proceedings concluded back in April?
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Indeed, truth is simple, lies are convoluted
This sentence was especially interesting :
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“I have myself had massive amounts of slanderous abuse from supporters of the McCann Campaign in the past but I have never taken that personally.'
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This sentence was especially interesting :
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“I have myself had massive amounts of slanderous abuse from supporters of the McCann Campaign in the past but I have never taken that personally.'
Yes
One for Brietta Misty Davelo and Alf maybe, a lesson in how NOT to jeopardise your own search whose blaming others by throwing toys out the pram, catch you bit later
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good on kerry for speaking out she clearly isnt scared of the mcanns 8((()*/
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This sentence was especially interesting :
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“I have myself had massive amounts of slanderous abuse from supporters of the McCann Campaign in the past but I have never taken that personally.'
How much slanderous abuse have you witnessed from McCann supporters about Kerry Needham? I can't recall ever hearing any, but as slander is spoken perhaps armies of McCann supporters have been stalking Kerry and abusing her face to face, though that really doesn't sound very plausible to me...
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How much slanderous abuse have you witnessed from McCann supporters about Kerry Needham? I can't recall ever hearing any, but as slander is spoken perhaps armies of McCann supporters have been stalking Kerry and abusing her face to face, though that really doesn't sound very plausible to me...
Are you saying Kerry is being dishonest ?
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Are you saying Kerry is being dishonest ?
im glad to see kerry speaking out she has been much more dignfied then gerry and kate
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Are you saying Kerry is being dishonest ?
No, I'm asking you how much abuse you've witnessed directed at Kerry Needham from McCann supporters, have you seen much or are we to assume from what Kerry has said that this massive amounts of abuse has all been delivered verbally and off-line?
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im glad to see kerry speaking out she has been much more dignfied then gerry and kate
She is like a breath of good, clean air after the fetid dishonesty that seems to surround the Find Madeleine campaign Carlymichelle.
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No, I'm asking you how much abuse you've witnessed directed at Kerry Needham from McCann supporters, have you seen much or are we to assume from what Kerry has said that this massive amounts of abuse has all been delivered verbally and off-line?
So you are saying she was being dishonest when she said that she'd been the victim of many slanderous attacks by McCann supporters ?
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So you are saying she was being dishonest when she said that she'd been the victim of many slanderous attacks by McCann supporters ?
the thing is faithlily ben vanished without anything to do with kerry she had ben with his grandparents he wasnt left alone crying in a diffrent countrys hotel....
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She is like a breath of good, clean air after the fetid dishonesty that seems to surround the Find Madeleine campaign Carlymichelle.
How do you reconcile your admiration of Kerry with the fact that she has been fully supportive of the McCanns' campaign for the last 8 years (well up until the last 48 hours anyway)?
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How do you reconcile your admiration of Kerry with the fact that she has been fully supportive of the McCanns' campaign for the last 8 years (well up until the last 48 hours anyway)?
You aren't trying to duck my previous question are you Alfie ?
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So you are saying she was being dishonest when she said that she'd been the victim of many slanderous attacks by McCann supporters ?
Why do you keep putting words in my mouth when I have twice now asked you what evidence you have seen personally of McCann supporters abusing Kerry Needham? I am not saying she is being dishonest but I do find her accusation rather puzzling as I personally cannot recall seeing any online abuse directed towards her from McCann supporters, though I am aware of some nasty comments made about her from one or two "sceptics".
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You aren't trying to duck my previous question are you Alfie ?
@)(++(* You've ducked every single question I've put to you this evening, you do have a nerve I'll give you that.
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Why do you keep putting words in my mouth when I have twice now asked you what evidence you have seen personally of McCann supporters abusing Kerry Needham? I am not saying she is being dishonest but I do find her accusation rather puzzling as I personally cannot recall seeing any online abuse directed towards her from McCann supporters, though I am aware of some nasty comments made about her from one or two "sceptics".
Shall I reword it for you Alfie to make it simpler ? Do you think Kerry is making up the allegations that she has been abused by McCann supporters ?
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Shall I reword it for you Alfie to make it simpler ? Do you think Kerry is making up the allegations that she has been abused by McCann supporters ?
I have already answered your question tonight twice - are you unclear of the meaning of the words "no" and "I am not saying she's being dishonest"?
Perhaps the poor woman is the victim of a secret massive campaign of slander by McCann supporters that I was hitherto unaware of. That being the case she has my sincerest sympathies.
Now, I trust that answers your persistent questioning in full. Will you return the courtesy or just do your usual slippery eel act?
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How much slanderous abuse have you witnessed from McCann supporters about Kerry Needham? I can't recall ever hearing any, but as slander is spoken perhaps armies of McCann supporters have been stalking Kerry and abusing her face to face, though that really doesn't sound very plausible to me...
How can anyone witness slander unless they were there? I expect Kerry meant libelous.
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How can anyone witness slander unless they were there? I expect Kerry meant libelous.
Yes, maybe she did mean that. Presumably it was sent to her privately though as I have not witnessed much (if any) directed at her on social media from McCann supporters. Very odd.
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No, I'm asking you how much abuse you've witnessed directed at Kerry Needham from McCann supporters, have you seen much or are we to assume from what Kerry has said that this massive amounts of abuse has all been delivered verbally and off-line?
Same question to you then, where is the constant vile abuse directed @findmadeleine Twitter page, which has caused the Mccanns to close it down after seven years? But not once complaining about it in the past,any evidence? oh sorry I shouldn't have asked you as you never go to Twitter do you, my mistake
the extremely strange pattern is growing and growing by the day, IE there are SO many people being accused of being liars, of being frauds, trolls, potential druggers and or abductors etc but only the Mccanns and so called team ever tell the truth or act rightly or honoroubly, funny that don't you think?
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I have already answered your question tonight twice - are you unclear of the meaning of the words "no" and "I am not saying she's being dishonest"?
Perhaps the poor woman is the victim of a secret massive campaign of slander by McCann supporters that I was hitherto unaware of. That being the case she has my sincerest sympathies.
Now, I trust that answers your persistent questioning in full. Will you return the courtesy or just do your usual slippery eel act?
I think I could learn a great deal from you about being slippery if your answer above is anything to go by !
As to your question Kerry's support for the McCanns doesn't dent my admiration for her at all. Many kind, well-meaning people believe the McCanns. That the McCanns have used fellow parents inbuilt empathy against them is the McCann's shame not the people who have taken them at their word.
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I think I could learn a great deal from you about being slippery if your answer above is anything to go by !
As to your question Kerry's support for the McCanns doesn't dent my admiration for her at all. Many kind, well-meaning people believe the McCanns. That the McCanns have used fellow parents inbuilt empathy against them is the McCann's shame not the people who have taken them at their word.
How have the McCanns 'used fellow parents inbuilt empathy against them'? You don't half write some nonsense. I shan't wait up for your bilious answer, nor shall I bother to wait for the answer to my other question which evidently was too difficult for you.
Good night.
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People must understand that there is a subtle difference between the way facebook and twitter operate.
Facebook is a page with comments which can be controlled by the account owner. The McCanns therefore are able to manipulate their facebook page in order to show only those comments which are supportive towards them.
Users on Twitter on the other hand do not have the ability to remove posts which attach to threads. On twitter a user can only delete or remove his or her own post. The McCanns therefore could not remove posts which criticised them, even if an account was blocked a post could still be attached to @findmadeleine.
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It points to a narcissistic response. Closing their twitter account was the wrong thing to do!
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It points to a narcissistic response. Closing their twitter account was the wrong thing to do!
Not done out of consideration for Kerry Needham, then?
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Not done out of consideration for Kerry Needham, then?
Not after Kerry questioned the money being spent on their case. Don't cross the McCanns and then they play we are the victims card which has backfired spectacularly. It's all about them not Kerry. What a cluster f***!
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Not after Kerry questioned the money being spent on their case. Don't cross the McCanns and then they play we are the victims card which has backfired spectacularly. It's all about them not Kerry. What a cluster f***!
Kerry has her £700,000 allocated to search for Ben. Without the precedent of the McCann funding, what do you think her chances would have been of getting anything? Successive PM's ignored her so she has no reason to feel hard done by right now. I think she would be disturbed to see anti-McCann posting on HER sites distracting from the search for Ben. As Angelo said, she can't control twitter so she can't stop the idiots who just want to cause problems for the McCanns.
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It points to a narcissistic response. Closing their twitter account was the wrong thing to do!
rubbish..Was Sarah Payne wrong to close her twitter account
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Misty that is disgusting. She got her 700k - really unfair especially considering the McCanns left their daughter at risk night after night and get huge amounts of money. I'm not saying the McCanns and Kerry should not get help but hard to listen to the bilge you just wrote. She should be pissed off is what she should be and rightly is by the sound of it.
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Misty that is disgusting. She got her 700k - really unfair especially considering the McCanns left their daughter at risk night after night and get huge amounts of money. I'm not saying the McCanns and Kerry should not get help but hard to listen to the bilge you just wrote. She should be pissed off is what she should be and rightly is by the sound of it.
Misty is not disgusting she is absolutely right. The reasons why the search for maddie has received 11 mill have been explained...there is simply so much information to review...posters just want to continually attack the mccanns...pathetic
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rubbish..Was Sarah Payne wrong to close her twitter account
I wonder what the final straw was? Ten years of abuse before she decided to quit.
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Misty is not disgusting she is absolutely right. The reasons why the search for maddie has received 11 mill have been explained...there is simply so much information to review...posters just want to continually attack the mccanns...pathetic
Is that an assumption or a direct quote?
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Is that an assumption or a direct quote?
its not an assumption...John Corner said it in a recent interview and it makes perfect sense
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McCanns shut down official find Madeleine Twitter account after being trolled by supporters of Ben Needham's family
By Emma Glanfield for MailOnline
Published: 16:18 EST, 6 October 2015 | Updated: 18:25 EST, 6 October 2015
The official Twitter account behind the search for missing youngster Madeleine McCann has been shut down after being trolled by supporters of Ben Needham's family.
Kate and Gerry McCann, the parents of three-year-old Madeleine who disappeared in Portugal in 2007, decided to close the official Twitter account after receiving 'toxic content' and 'hatred'.
The parents said it was a 'great pity' that they had to take such action to close the social media page but said the 'abusive comments' were hampering the search for their daughter.
Kate and Gerry McCann, the parents of three-year-old Madeleine who disappeared in Portugal in 2007, have decided to close the official @findmadeleine Twitter account after receiving 'toxic content' and 'hatred'
The decision to close the @findmadeleine account comes after administrators behind the McCann family blocked the Twitter account which supports the campaign to find missing Ben Needham
The decision to close the @findmadeleine (pictured left) account comes after administrators behind the McCann family blocked the Twitter account which supports the campaign to find missing Ben Needham (right)
It comes after administrators behind the McCann family's appeal blocked the Twitter account which supports the campaign to find Ben Needham, who went missing in Kos in 1991, aged 21 months.
At the weekend, the official @findmadeleine Twitter feed blocked the @FindBenNeedham account.
They said they did not want to be 'associated with some of the types of people they [@FindBen Needham] follow'.
It came after Ben's mother Kerry Needham publicly questioned the £10.1million which has so far been spent by Operation Grange to find Madeleine.
Worldwide searches to find both Madeleine, who disappeared from her bed in a holiday apartment in Praia De Luz, and Ben – who went missing from the Greek Island of Kos – remain ongoing. Both sets of parents believe their children could still be alive.
Announcing the decision to shut down the official @findmadeleine Twitter account, a spokesman for the McCanns wrote on the 'Official Find Madeleine Campaign' Facebook page: 'It's time to remove ourselves from a place that allows so much toxic content to be directed at us and does not permit us the ability to protect ourselves from people who want to damage the search for Madeleine.
'When I started our Facebook and Twitter accounts in 2008, I convinced Kate and Gerry it was a great way to raise awareness. Since that time, I have witnessed overwhelming kindness.
'There is no doubt that the good far outweigh the bad. The vast majority of people care about Madeleine deeply and want to see her come home to her family where she belongs.
'I have been dismayed, however, at some of the hatred and sheer viciousness directed at Kate and Gerry through our social media accounts for no logical reason at all.'
Clarence Mitchell, a spokesman for Gerry and Kate McCann, said there was no ongoing negativity or bad blood between the family and the Needhams. Both sets of parents believe their missing children may still be alive
Ben Needham's mother Kerry publicly questioned the £10.1million which has so far been spent by Operation Grange to find Madeleine. Shortly afterwards, the McCann family stopped supporting his campaign online
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Ben Needham's mother Kerry publicly questioned the £10.1million which has so far been spent by Operation Grange to find Madeleine. Shortly afterwards, the McCann family stopped supporting his campaign online
'At times, it has had me in tears. It is hard to accept that some people can be so cruel to a family that has already experienced the worst pain imaginable.
'Further, in the past three weeks on Twitter, we have found ourselves in the uncomfortable position of being expected to "follow" people who align themselves with accounts that abuse us in the most vile ways on a regular basis.
'As a result, deleting our Twitter account is the only option left to protect ourselves and the search for Madeleine.'
Clarence Mitchell, a spokesman for the McCann family, said there was no ongoing negativity between the family and the Needhams.
Deleting our Twitter account is the only option left to protect ourselves and the search for Madeleine
Official Find Madeleine Campaign
'Kate and Gerry have always supported the campaign to find Ben Needham,' he said. 'Indeed, they have promoted it on the Find Madeleine Campaign social media platform.
'However, it is a great pity that due to continued, ill-informed and abusive comments by some social media users, the decision was made to close the Find Madeleine Twitter account.
'Kate and Gerry continue to wish Kerry Needham the best and hope that one day she will be reunited with Ben, just as they continue to hope that they will similarly be reunited with Madeleine.'
Following the announcement, the 'Help Find Ben Needham' Facebook page responded to thank members of the public for their support.
A statement added: 'All recent posts regarding Twitter have been deleted and can we please ask you to keep this page about Ben and we all move on. We thank you all for your continuing support. #helpfindben'
Last month, a former police chief called for the worldwide search for Madeleine to be scaled down.
Forensic police officers preparing to examine a hole in an area of wasteland in the ongoing hunt for Madeleine
The Metropolitan Police took over the hunt in 2011 after Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry made a personal plea to David Cameron.
No arrests have been made in four years and the Met has been facing ongoing calls to wind down the inquiry, including from former Flying Squad chief John O'Connor.
He said: 'You can't keep chasing shadows, chasing sightings all over the world.
'It depends on whether the detectives are making any real progress. If there are no firm leads, and by that I mean no substantial operational things like active surveillance on suspects, then I'd have thought they should be considering winding it down now.
'Are there more recent cases that could be progressed with the right resources? It's about priorities.'
John Tully, who chairs the Met Police Federation, which represents rank-and-file officers, also said the case is 'impacting on workloads'.
However, Scotland Yard responded to the calls by claiming the case wasn't 'impacting on other operations in London'.
OPERATION GRANGE: POLICE'S £11MILLION BILL IN SEARCH FOR MADELEINE
Madeleine was on holiday with her parents Kate and Gerry McCann and two younger twin siblings when she went missing from their apartment in Praia da Luz.
Portuguese police carried out an investigation into her disappearance but the case was closed in 2008, after the McCanns were cleared of being suspects.
They continued the hunt for their daughter using private detectives until Scotland Yard agreed to open its own inquiry, Operation Grange, in 2011.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3261469/McCanns-shut-official-Madeleine-Twitter-account-trolled-supporters-Ben-Needham-s-family.html#ixzz3nlpbWJBg
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Kerry has her £700,000 allocated to search for Ben. Without the precedent of the McCann funding, what do you think her chances would have been of getting anything? Successive PM's ignored her so she has no reason to feel hard done by right now. I think she would be disturbed to see anti-McCann posting on HER sites distracting from the search for Ben. As Angelo said, she can't control twitter so she can't stop the idiots who just want to cause problems for the McCanns.
Have you nothing to say after Kerry Needham revealed she had 'slanderous abuse from supporters of the mccann campaign in the past' ?
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Misty is not disgusting she is absolutely right. The reasons why the search for maddie has received 11 mill have been explained...there is simply so much information to review...posters just want to continually attack the mccanns...pathetic
I did not say Misty was disgusting but her comment is hard to read and Dave not everyone is attacking the McCanns. It's just sick to suggest that Kerry should be grateful to the McCanns when you look at the discrepancy in the help the respective families have received and the length of time Ben has been missing. It's simply not fair and finally although the parents of these missing children should get great sympathy its primarily about the children who have been abducted. Is Madeleine's life more valuable then Bens?
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its not an assumption...John Corner said it in a recent interview and it makes perfect sense
Do you have a link please? i can't find anything.
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rubbish..Was Sarah Payne wrong to close her twitter account
Sarah Payne closed her twitter account because of abuse by trolls.
The McCanns have closed their twitter account because of abuse by trolls.
The only people who deserve villification here are the trolls.
The fact that anyone at all should have to close their twitter account because of the actions of a group of vile individuals is just wrong - and should be addressed IMO. It's about time Twitter took action imo.
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Sarah Payne closed her twitter account because of abuse by trolls.
The McCanns have closed their twitter account because of abuse by trolls.
The only people who deserve villification here are the trolls.
The fact that anyone at all should have to close their twitter account because of the actions of a group of vile individuals is just wrong - and should be addressed IMO. It's about time Twitter took action imo.
What about the mccann supporter trolls who abused Kerry Needham ?
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good on kerry for speaking out she clearly isnt scared of the mcanns 8((()*/
Why would Kerry be scared of the McCann's? Kerry has met them she said they are a lovely couple they got on well and shared their experiences.
It is people like you who say things like that which is the problem.
From word go some have been trying to start a family against family row.
When Kate was made Ambassador for Missing People it was 'Kerry would make a better one' then it's look at Kerry how dignified she is compared to the McCann's, look at Kerry looking for Ben the McCann's never have looked for Madeleine, absolute nasty sickening comments, putting one family against the other.
Kerry joined a facebook site that is hell bent on spreading hate for the McCann's, in my opinion she was lured in with kind comments about her and her search for Ben, I don't blame her for joining as anyone who can help her find Ben she would find welcoming.
Some of these people though would do anything to hurt the McCann's and spread their vile tweets all over the Find Madeleine tag and that is what they did, it's not Kerry's fault as the McCann's know and they have said so, it's these disgusting people who with their hatred for the McCann's don't care one jot about the search for Madeleine or Ben in my opinion it's just, hit out at the McCann's.
There are two children missing in all of this, do they ever think of them?
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What about the mccann supporter trolls who abused Kerry Needham ?
If there are then they are to blame too, though I have never seen any tweets doing that.
The only people I have seen doing anything such as that is a certain Anti McCann forum who had comments revealing what they though happened to Ben.
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Why would Kerry be scared of the McCann's? Kerry has met them she said they are a lovely couple they got on well and shared their experiences.
It is people like you who say things like that which is the problem.
From word go some have been trying to start a family against family row.
When Kate was made Ambassador for Missing People it was 'Kerry would make a better one' then it's look at Kerry how dignified she is compared to the McCann's, look at Kerry looking for Ben the McCann's never have looked for Madeleine, absolute nasty sickening comments, putting one family against the other.
Kerry joined a facebook site that is hell bent on spreading hate for the McCann's, in my opinion she was lured in with kind comments about her and her search for Ben, I don't blame her for joining as anyone who can help her find Ben she would find welcoming.
Some of these people though would do anything to hurt the McCann's and spread their vile tweets all over the Find Madeleine tag and that is what they did, it's not Kerry's fault as the McCann's know and they have said so, it's these disgusting people who with their hatred for the McCann's don't care one jot about the search for Madeleine or Ben in my opinion it's just, hit out at the McCann's.
There are two children missing in all of this, do they ever think of them?
Read what Kerry Needham said about some of your fellow mccann supporters.
Very nice people, weren't they. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+
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Sarah Payne closed her twitter account because of abuse by trolls.
The McCanns have closed their twitter account because of abuse by trolls.
The only people who deserve villification here are the trolls.
The fact that anyone at all should have to close their twitter account because of the actions of a group of vile individuals is just wrong - and should be addressed IMO. It's about time Twitter took action imo.
I think twitter should take action too, why let these people carry on using twitter when they have hounded people off?
It should be them that have their accounts closed, anyone who abuses the twitter tag of a missing child is a low life and should be banned for life.
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I think twitter should take action too, why let these people carry on using twitter when they have hounded people off?
It should be them that have their accounts closed, anyone who abuses the twitter tag of a missing child is a low life and should be banned for life.
you cant censor anyone from the internet or twitter lace ever heard of multi isp adresses etc? if the internet worrys you supporters so much why do you read twitter etc
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Read what Kerry Needham said about some of your fellow mccann supporters.
Very nice people, weren't they. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+
she seems to think the mcann supporters are troublemakers doesnt she
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you cant censor anyone from the internet or twitter lace ever heard of multi isp adresses etc? if the internet worrys you supporters so much why do you read twitter etc
Yes I have heard of multi isp addresses carly, when one twitter account is banned they make another one, that is why it is so hard for the webmaster to stop these people. Though twitter would be able to find out who these people are to ban them for life which is what I would do as their sole goal is to cause misery and upset to families of missing children.
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Mccann supporters try to claim the moral high ground.
As we have seen over the years, it doesn't wash.
you are right and kerry sees though it doesnt she
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she seems to think the mcann supporters are troublemakers doesnt she
Not all, just the ones who have driven the Find Madeleine account from twitter.
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Mccann supporters try to claim the moral high ground.
As we have seen over the years, it doesn't wash.
There you go, you have said what I have been saying people say, McCann's are just taking the moral high ground aren't they, Kerry is dignified isn't she, one family against another, well done Stephen.
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There you go, you have said what I have been saying people say, McCann's are just taking the moral high ground aren't they, Kerry is dignified isn't she, one family against another, well done Stephen.
Try reading what i said again.
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Read what Kerry Needham said about some of your fellow mccann supporters.
Very nice people, weren't they. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+
As I have said Stephen which you seem to have ignored, if the McCann supporters have said things then I blame them too.
Though you are ignoring the people who have driven the Find Madeleine tag from twitter, as usual you ignore these people.
The only posters I have seen posting nasty things about Kerry are the ones from a certain Anti McCann forum the one which a certain person is very outspoken on there, you know the one Stephen you were a member there.
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I shall leave you and carly to converse together Stephen, you both seem to have the same mind set.
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Not all, just the ones who have driven the Find Madeleine account from twitter.
What difference, if any, is this likely to make?
Presumably those who wish to verbally abuse can still do so against any sort of McCann tag and I can't see how any amount of Twitter activity can possibly find Madeleine anyway.
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What difference, if any, is this likely to make?
Presumably those who wish to verbally abuse can still do so against any sort of McCann tag and I can't see how any amount of Twitter activity can possibly find Madeleine anyway.
exactly jassi its always been a pipe dream
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Read what Kerry Needham said about some of your fellow mccann supporters.
Very nice people, weren't they. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+
i think it was very brave of kerry to speak up about how the mcanns have been given more money and media attention then her and the fact that she wonders why thats the case
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What about the mccann supporter trolls who abused Kerry Needham ?
My last sentence refers to all trolls who use the internet to spread their bile.
Do you agree that it is the trolls who are the problem on Twitter and not the account holders?
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As I have said Stephen which you seem to have ignored, if the McCann supporters have said things then I blame them too.
Though you are ignoring the people who have driven the Find Madeleine tag from twitter, as usual you ignore these people.
The only posters I have seen posting nasty things about Kerry are the ones from a certain Anti McCann forum the one which a certain person is very outspoken on there, you know the one Stephen you were a member there.
I haven't seen these posts, as I tend to avoid twitter like the plague.
Which forum are you referring to by the way ?
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you cant censor anyone from the internet or twitter lace ever heard of multi isp adresses etc? if the internet worrys you supporters so much why do you read twitter etc
You don't have to read Twitter to know that vile trolls forced Sarah Payne to close her account. It was widely reported. Most people were saddened and disgusted - but unlike yourself - they didn't put the blame on her for reading the poisonous tweets. Their disgust was directed at the sickos who wrote them.
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You don't have to read Twitter to know that vile trolls forced Sarah Payne to close her account. It was widely reported. Most people were saddened and disgusted - but unlike yourself - they didn't put the blame on her for reading the poisonous tweets. Their disgust was directed at the sickos who wrote them.
AND the mccann supporter sickos who tweeted Kerry Needham with abuse. What of them ?
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AND the mccann supporter sickos who tweeted Kerry Needham with abuse. What of them ?
oh thats ok stephen mcann supporters only care about the mcanns
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You don't have to read Twitter to know that vile trolls forced Sarah Payne to close her account. It was widely reported. Most people were saddened and disgusted - but unlike yourself - they didn't put the blame on her for reading the poisonous tweets. Their disgust was directed at the sickos who wrote them.
Then why didnt the OFM simply remove themselves from Twitter ? Surely then all this embarrassment could have been avoided ? Why the need to block the OFB account ?
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Then why didnt the OFM simply remove themselves from Twitter ? Surely then all this embarrassment could have been avoided ? Why the need to block the OFB account ?
because they wanted to draw attention to themselves faithlily to get attention and people saying the poor mcanns etc but it backfired 8)--))
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Then why didnt the OFM simply remove themselves from Twitter ? Surely then all this embarrassment could have been avoided ? Why the need to block the OFB account ?
Did OFM release a press statement that they were blocking that account or did they quietly block it and it was only when OFB kicked off about it that it became an issue?
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Then why didnt the OFM simply remove themselves from Twitter ? Surely then all this embarrassment could have been avoided ? Why the need to block the OFB account ?
I thought there were 2 issues that have been merged and blurred.
One is the Facebook account which blocked the Needham account and then unblocked it again.
The second was a McCann twitter account, which the McCanns neither use nor read apparently, which was receiving a lot of abuse and has now been closed.
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AND the mccann supporter sickos who tweeted Kerry Needham with abuse. What of them ?
What's that got to do with Sarah Payne being forced to close her Twitter account? Deflecting again Stephen?
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What's that got to do with Sarah Payne being forced to close her Twitter account? Deflecting again Stephen?
I'm not deflecting, I'm making a parallel, which you won't answer.
Have you seen the tweets 'directed' to Sarah Payne or Kerry Needham ?
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I'm not deflecting, I'm making a parallel, which you won't answer.
Have you seen the tweets 'directed' to Sarah Payne or Kerry Needham ?
Just to make it clear to you I would say that everyone on here would condemn abusive tweets to Kerry and condemn anyone who made them be they be McCann supporters or not
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Then why didnt the OFM simply remove themselves from Twitter ? Surely then all this embarrassment could have been avoided ? Why the need to block the OFB account ?
The only people who should feel embarrassed IMO are those who rushed to turn this into yet another stick to beat the McCanns with - and in their indecent haste appear to have completely forgotten it is poisonous TROLLS who are responsible. First for causing Sarah Payne to close her account and now the McCanns. It is that which should be being condemned IMO.
(must go out now - I'm late).
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The only people who should feel embarrassed IMO are those who rushed to turn this into yet another stick to beat the McCanns with - and in their indecent haste appear to have completely forgotten it is poisonous TROLLS who are responsible. First for causing Sarah Payne to close her account and now the McCanns. It is that which should be being condemned IMO.
(must go out now - I'm late).
Your singular frame of reference always is the mccanns.
NOW CONDEMN THE MCCANN SUPPORTERS WHO TROLL.
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Your singular frame of reference always is the mccanns.
NOW CONDEMN THE MCCANN SUPPORTERS WHO TROLL.
I'm more than happy to condemn them
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I'm more than happy to condemn them
Good.
However, I was waiting for Benice.
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Good.
However, I was waiting for Benice.
So do you condemn those who troll the mccanns
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So do you condemn those who troll the mccanns
If you had read my posts properly, you would know that already.
Anyone who gives threats, violent or otherwise is to be condemned.
What do you think ?
Including of course saying to posters............
'you will be stopped'
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If you had read my posts properly, you would know that already.
Anyone who gives threats, violent or otherwise is to be condemned.
What do you think ?
Including of course saying to posters............
'you will be stopped'
Posters should be stopped..... By the appropriate authorities
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Did OFM release a press statement that they were blocking that account or did they quietly block it and it was only when OFB kicked off about it that it became an issue?
Why block it at all and, if the problem still existed, why then unblock it ?
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Posters should be stopped..... By the appropriate authorities
So posters who say that should be dealt with by the 'appropriate authorities' ?
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The only people who should feel embarrassed IMO are those who rushed to turn this into yet another stick to beat the McCanns with - and in their indecent haste appear to have completely forgotten it is poisonous TROLLS who are responsible. First for causing Sarah Payne to close her account and now the McCanns. It is that which should be being condemned IMO.
(must go out now - I'm late).
Then all I can say is well done to Kerry Needham who, although suffering abuse from supporters of the McCanns, has put her feelings to one side, ignored the bile and put the search for her son first.
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Why block it at all and, if the problem still existed, why then unblock it ?
They have already given the reasons why they blocked it - they then bowed to pressure once the trolls had succeeded in whipping up a storm in a teacup over it, which is understandable and that's why they unblocked it. You must know in your heart of hearts (if you actually have one) that this ridiculous farce is the work of mischievous "sceptics" on twitter, intent on causing as much upset as possible to the McCanns and their supporters, though I very much doubt you'd ever admit it.
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So posters who say that should be dealt with by the 'appropriate authorities' ?
Like Bennett was stopped
Like fox hunting was stopped
What's wrong with saying someone should be stopped
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I did not say Misty was disgusting but her comment is hard to read and Dave not everyone is attacking the McCanns. It's just sick to suggest that Kerry should be grateful to the McCanns when you look at the discrepancy in the help the respective families have received and the length of time Ben has been missing. It's simply not fair and finally although the parents of these missing children should get great sympathy its primarily about the children who have been abducted. Is Madeleine's life more valuable then Bens?
One child's life is as valuable as another's and as far as the two individual families concerned in this totally fabricated spat it is absolutely shameful that there are those who deliberately set out to cause friction and dissent between them.
It takes a very extraordinary mindset indeed to employ the support between the two as a weapon by posting hate and bile about one family on the account of the other ... in the full knowledge that there is nothing the target of their opprobrium can do about publishing and forwarding rants ... designed to damage the very campaign they are trying to promote on behalf of their daughter and others, including Ben Needham.
Let us look at this from another viewpoint.
If Madeleine McCann's account had included hate messages posted concerning Ben Needham and his family ... what would have been the response if the web master had not blocked those 'wellwishers' who apparently have made their appearance in the past three weeks and instead allowed their inimitably hostile comments to be forwarded to Kerry Needham's account and then forwarded on to others?
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I am finding it very hard to believe that any genuine McCann Supporter would abuse Kerry Needham. It just doesn't make sense.
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The webmaster on the OFM facebook page didn't mention trolls, just 'negative comments';
In the past couple of weeks, there has been a concerted effort to get people to stop looking for Madeleine. Some argue the search costs too much, others say it's hopeless.
I, and I alone, have made the decision to block ANYONE who thwarts the search for Madeleine via social media--whether that be with running commentary on the investigation, posting negative comments about the search/investigation/cost, or saying Madeleine is a lost cause.
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Like Bennett was stopped
Like fox hunting was stopped
What's wrong with saying someone should be stopped
Tell me dave, have any posters on here said to other people , 'you will be stopped' ?
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The webmaster on the OFM facebook page didn't mention trolls, just 'negative comments';
In the past couple of weeks, there has been a concerted effort to get people to stop looking for Madeleine. Some argue the search costs too much, others say it's hopeless.
I, and I alone, have made the decision to block ANYONE who thwarts the search for Madeleine via social media--whether that be with running commentary on the investigation, posting negative comments about the search/investigation/cost, or saying Madeleine is a lost cause.
Too polite.
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Have you nothing to say after Kerry Needham revealed she had 'slanderous abuse from supporters of the mccann campaign in the past' ?
I could say plenty. It is totally unacceptable for anyone to direct abuse at the parents of missing children, whether the children went missing because someone wasn't watching them properly, left of their own accord or they were abducted. Some people are just vile & will use any opportunity to put the boot into anyone already suffering.
Kerry has endured more than half her life under a terrible black cloud, the likes of which no-one should have to but so many do.
Maybe this episode will be a wake-up call to some to think about cyber-gang culture & its effect on society, but others just don't have hearts or consciences, do they?
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I could say plenty. It is totally unacceptable for anyone to direct abuse at the parents of missing children, whether the children went missing because someone wasn't watching them properly, left of their own accord or they were abducted. Some people are just vile & will use any opportunity to put the boot into anyone already suffering.
Kerry has endured more than half her life under a terrible black cloud, the likes of which no-one should have to but so many do.
Maybe this episode will be a wake-up call to some to think about cyber-gang culture & its effect on society, but others are just don't have hearts or consciences, do they?
' but others are just don't have hearts or consciences, do they? '
Which others do you mean ?
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I could say plenty. It is totally unacceptable for anyone to direct abuse at the parents of missing children, whether the children went missing because someone wasn't watching them properly, left of their own accord or they were abducted. Some people are just vile & will use any opportunity to put the boot into anyone already suffering.
Kerry has endured more than half her life under a terrible black cloud, the likes of which no-one should have to but so many do.
Maybe this episode will be a wake-up call to some to think about cyber-gang culture & its effect on society, but others are just don't have hearts or consciences, do they?
8@??)(
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Don't forget alfred, the mccann supporters that abused her. 8((()*/
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Don't forget alfred, the mccann supporters that abused her. 8((()*/
mcann supporters dont like being caleld trolls by the media do they 8)--))
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' but others are just don't have hearts or consciences, do they? '
Which others do you mean ?
I'm sure your scientific background will give you an advantage in working that out.
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Don't forget alfred, the mccann supporters that abused her. 8((()*/
I hope Kerry publishes full details of the abuse and the names of the accounts that abused her.
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I'm sure your scientific background will give you an advantage in working that out.
Oh yes.
Anyone who doesn't believe the mccanns ? &%+((£
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I hope Kerry publishes full details of the abuse and the names of the accounts that abused her.
I really have never seen any pro McCann abusing the find Ben tag on twitter.
There aren't any nasty facebook forums on the internet that are formed purely to abuse Kerry either as far as I know.
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Oh yes.
Anyone who doesn't believe the mccanns ? &%+((£
Lame. There is no issue with a normal individual who doesn't believe the McCanns. It's the way they express their disbelief which is the problem.
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Lame. There is no issue with a normal individual who doesn't believe the McCanns. It's the way they express their disbelief which is the problem.
I was being sarcastic.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3261469/McCanns-shut-official-Madeleine-Twitter-account-trolled-supporters-Ben-Needham-s-family.html
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I was being sarcastic.
Really? I would never have known, based on your comment history.
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Really? I would never have known, based on your comment history.
Likewise Misty, with yours.
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Oh yes.
Anyone who doesn't believe the mccanns ? &%+((£
Glad you condemn trolls on either side so you condemn Brenda leyland too
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Tell me dave, have any posters on here said to other people , 'you will be stopped' ?
There were posters on here that needed to be stopped and have been
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There were posters on here that needed to be stopped and have been
Who's been stopped then and by whom?
There are a few who haven't posted for a while, but you never know if they've really gone.
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There were posters on here that needed to be stopped and have been
Who are they ?
and by what right do you say that ?
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Who ate they ?
and by what right do you say that ?
Who ate what
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Don't forget alfred, the mccann supporters that abused her. 8((()*/
I simply do not believe this. There is absolutely no reason for why they should.
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One child's life is as valuable as another's and as far as the two individual families concerned in this totally fabricated spat it is absolutely shameful that there are those who deliberately set out to cause friction and dissent between them.
It takes a very extraordinary mindset indeed to employ the support between the two as a weapon by posting hate and bile about one family on the account of the other ... in the full knowledge that there is nothing the target of their opprobrium can do about publishing and forwarding rants ... designed to damage the very campaign they are trying to promote on behalf of their daughter and others, including Ben Needham.
Let us look at this from another viewpoint.
If Madeleine McCann's account had included hate messages posted concerning Ben Needham and his family ... what would have been the response if the web master had not blocked those 'wellwishers' who apparently have made their appearance in the past three weeks and instead allowed their inimitably hostile comments to be forwarded to Kerry Needham's account and then forwarded on to others?
Don't disagree with you. Think it's a non-story and is terrible they have been bullied into closing their account. No one knows what happened in either case and there is currently no evidence, so I don't know why people would feel justified in lambasting the McCanns account. I don't know what should be done about it. My instinct tells me Twitter should manage itself. What the story does do is highlight the fact that one child is having every resource made available whilst another is not having the same benefit. I don't blame the McCanns for that - anyone would want every effort made.
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I simply do not believe this. There is absolutely no reason for why they should.
I'm surprised that admin are allowing Kery's honesty to be maligned in this way, especially by moderators.
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I simply do not believe this. There is absolutely no reason for why they should.
She has said so herself.
Why would she lie about it ?
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I simply do not believe this. There is absolutely no reason for why they should.
It is very strange Eleanor, those on twitter who support the search for Madeleine quite often put a picture up of Ben with a phone number etc. to promote the search for him.
I don't see any pro forum saying anything about Ben, but I see them putting things up to do with Ben in support of Kerry.
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No doubt Madeleine's facebook page will contine to aid the search for Ben. There are tens of thousands of people on there and I have never heard a word against Kerry.
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She has said so herself.
Why would she lie about it ?
I don't think Kerry Needham is lying. I think she doesn't fully realise what has happened with all this "Following" nonsense. And I believe that it is a set up.
There are absolutely no reasons for why any McCann Supporter would abuse Kerry or the search for Ben. So let's have a bit of common sense.
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I don't think Kerry Needham is lying. I think she doesn't fully realise what has happened with all this "Following" nonsense. And I believe that it is a set up.
There are absolutely no reasons for why any McCann Supporter would abuse Kerry or the search for Ben. So let's have a bit of common sense.
so you are saying therefore, that all mccann supporters are very nice people who would not say, boo to a goose, and don't include any nutters ?
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I'm surprised that admin are allowing Kery's honesty to be maligned in this way, especially by moderators.
I don't see you complaining when it is the McCanns' honesty being maligned.
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so you are saying therefore, that all mccann supporters are very nice people who would not say, boo to a goose, and don't include any nutters ?
I am saying that McCann Supporters have no reason to abuse Kerry Needham, or to interfere in the search for Ben. Why would they want to do that?
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so you are saying therefore, that all mccann supporters are very nice people who would not say, boo to a goose, and don't include any nutters ?
If there was a massive amount of abuse directed at Kerry from McCann supporters then you'd think that at least some of it would be visible on social media and forums. So where is it? I haven't seen any at all, have you?
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If there was a massive amount of abuse directed at Kerry from McCann supporters then you'd think that at least some of it would be visible on social media and forums. So where is it? I haven't seen any at all, have you?
Are you calling Kerry Needham a liar ?
Whether you like to admit or not, there are trolls supporting the mccanns.
There are clearly people in denial. (not in Egypt )
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Are you calling Kerry Needham a liar ?
Whether you like to admit or not, there are trolls supporting the mccanns.
There are clearly people in denial. (not in Egypt )
No one is calling Kerry Needham a liar, Stephen. So please stop suggesting that they are.
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No one is calling Kerry Needham a liar, Stephen. So please stop suggesting that they are.
There are clearly disturbed people supporting the mccanns.
Are you denying that ?
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Are you calling Kerry Needham a liar ?
Whether you like to admit or not, there are trolls supporting the mccanns.
There are clearly people in denial. (not in Egypt )
FFS - I had this with Faithlilly yesterday
NO I AM NOT CALLING KERRY NEEDHAM A LIAR. I AM ONLY ASKING QUESTIONS.
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There are clearly disturbed people supporting the mccanns.
Are you denying that ?
Can you please provide any evidence whatsoever of these "clearly disturbed" McCann supporters abusing the mother of a missing person?
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There are clearly disturbed people supporting the mccanns.
Are you denying that ?
Yes, I am denying that. And what you and others are suggesting is precisely in the vein of what Kerry has been subjected to.
"McCann Supporters on The Justice Forum are accusing Kerry Needham of being a liar." When in fact none of us have said that, or anything like it.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-34456480
It sounds like Mr Mitchell has been taken out and dusted off again.
So what options do we have ?
1 Kerry Needham did not say what she allegedly said to the Mirror. There are however no complaints by either party that it has been misrepresented elsewhere in the media.
2 Kerry Needham is mistaken in believing some McCann supporters made nasty comments because McCann Supporters just do not do that sort of thing. In that case standard distribution and deviation do not apply in to anything McCann.
3 Kerry Needham doesn't realise it is a conspiracy by McCann sceptics who have been posting, masquerading as McCann supporters, to foment bad feelings.
4 Create a ruck so the Sr Amaral appeal is lost by smoke and mirrors?
Any more for any more?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-34456480
It sounds like Mr Mitchell has been taken out and dusted off again.
So what options do we have ?
1 Kerry Needham did not say what she allegedly said to the Mirror. There are however no complaints by either party that it has been misrepresented elsewhere in the media.
2 Kerry Needham is mistaken in believing some McCann supporters made nasty comments because McCann Supporters just do not do that sort of thing. In that case standard distribution and deviation do not apply in to anything McCann.
3 Kerry Needham doesn't realise it is a conspiracy by McCann sceptics who have been posting, masquerading as McCann supporters, to foment bad feelings.
4 Create a ruck so the Sr Amaral appeal is lost by smoke and mirrors?
Any more for any more?
It's a little bit of 2 and a little but of 3, I reckon.
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Good.
However, I was waiting for Benice.
Stephen, I have no problem at all in condemning ALL internet trolls - but certainly not the account holders who are their victims.
Would you please now answer my question to you which was:
'Do you agree that it is the Trolls who are the problem on Twitter and not the account holders?'
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It's a little bit of 2 and a little but of 3, I reckon.
Got it in a nut shell, Alfred.
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FFS - I had this with Faithlilly yesterday
NO I AM NOT CALLING KERRY NEEDHAM A LIAR. I AM ONLY ASKING QUESTIONS.
I'm afraid bold type does not impress me.
The existence of mccann supporting trolls is well known and documented.
Kerry Needham is no fool.
The impression being given by some people, is that others on twitter are pretending to be mccann supporters and attack Kerry Needham. That argument, which I take with a pinch of salt, could also then work the other way.
i.e mccann supporters pretend to be 'sceptics'. 8(0(*
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Stephen, I have no problem at all in condemning ALL internet trolls - but certainly not the account holders who are their victims.
Would you please now answer my question to you which was:
'Do you agree that it is the Trolls who are the problem on Twitter and not the account holders?'
Why not read my earlier posts.
The answer to that is on one of those and I have said it before on other occasions.
What has been visible very much today since the weekend is DENIAL. It doesn't wash.
One fact which the general public have been aware of now, is that some mccann supporters are trolls as well.
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I'm afraid bold type does not impress me.
The existence of mccann supporting trolls is well known and documented.
Kerry Needham is no fool.
The impression being given by some people, is that others on twitter are pretending to be mccann supporters and attack Kerry Needham. That argument, which I take with a pinch of salt, could also then work the other way.
So let's see examples of this abuse, together with user IDs - where's the best place to read McCann supporters abusing Kerry, anyone know?
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It's a little bit of 2 and a little but of 3, I reckon.
I take it then you believe that standard deviation and distribution are not applicable to McCann supporters?
Or have I missed something in what you are trying to say?
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So let's see examples of this abuse, together with user IDs - where's the best place to read McCann supporters abusing Kerry, anyone know?
Are you denying they existed ?
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I take it then you believe that standard deviation and distribution are not applicable to McCann supporters?
Or have I missed something in what you are trying to say?
and what about the anomalies/outliers ? 8)-)))
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I take it then you believe that standard deviation and distribution are not applicable to McCann supporters?
Or have I missed something in what you are trying to say?
I don't know what you're talking about sorry - you're too clever for me. 8(8-))
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Are you denying they existed ?
Did I say that? I am asking where I might view this abuse, so that I can ascertain if it actually came from McCanns supporters of if perhaps Kerry has misunderstood the situation. Is that OK with you?
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I don't know what you're talking about sorry - you're too clever for me. 8(8-))
Oh dear !
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Did I say that? I am asking where I might view this abuse, so that I can ascertain if it actually came from McCanns supporters of if perhaps Kerry has misunderstood the situation. Is that OK with you?
Do as you wish.
Clearly some people are very rattled, that some mccann supporters have been exposed for being trolls.
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Why not read my earlier posts.
The answer to that is on one of those and I have said it before on other occasions.
What has been visible very much today since the weekend is DENIAL. It doesn't wash.
One fact which the general public have been aware of now, is that some mccann supporters are trolls as well.
McCann supporters on twitter SUPPORT the search for Ben, they put up pictures of him etc. why would they abuse?
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Do as you wish.
Clearly some people are very rattled, that some mccann supporters have been exposed for being trolls.
Which McCann Supporters?
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Do as you wish.
Clearly some people are very rattled, that some mccann supporters have been exposed for being trolls.
That's the problem though - they haven't actually been exposed. We have no idea what sort of abuse it was, where it was posted or who actually posted it. I think there's a strong possibility that Kerry is mistaken or has misjudged the situation. I'm not remotely rattled btw, just bemused by an accusation which, until I see evidence with my own eyes, I will continue to believe to be unfair and unfounded.
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McCann supporters on twitter SUPPORT the search for Ben, they put up pictures of him etc. why would they abuse?
Do you really imagine it is only some mccann supporters who support the Needhams ?
What about other people ???
You can support the Needhams and not support the mccanns. Hasn't that thought occurred to you ?
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Oh dear !
Yeah, I wouldn't bother with me if I were you - too thick, best ignored. 8((()*/
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The one positive thing generated by this idiotic spat is that both families have received loads more publicity for their missing children - and you know what they say about publicity...
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I am absolutely certain that if twitter had been used by McCann supporters to abuse Kerry, then McCann sceptics would currently be re-tweeting it for all they're worth today - but as there is no sign of this happening, I can say with some confidence that Kerry was not abused by McCann supporters on twitter.
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The one positive thing generated by this idiotic spat is that both families have received loads more publicity for their missing children - and you know what they say about publicity...
Likewise, members of the public are now aware of the existence of mccann supporting trolls.
The irony being , the sites where they post are easy to find.
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Do you really imagine it is only some mccann supporters who support the Needhams ?
What about other people ???
You can support the Needhams and not support the mccanns. Hasn't that thought occurred to you ?
The supporters on TWITTER support Ben Stephen, I have never seen them abuse the Find Ben Needham tag.
It could be that some pro McCann supporters have got caught on the same tag as the anti ones who are abusing the McCann supporters and Kerry thinks they are abusing her.
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I am absolutely certain that if twitter had been used by McCann supporters to abuse Kerry, then McCann sceptics would currently be re-tweeting it for all they're worth today - but as there is no sign of this happening, I can say with some confidence that Kerry was not abused by McCann supporters on twitter.
Rubbish.
Not if it has already been removed.
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I am absolutely certain that if twitter had been used by McCann supporters to abuse Kerry, then McCann sceptics would currently be re-tweeting it for all they're worth today - but as there is no sign of this happening, I can say with some confidence that Kerry was not abused by McCann supporters on twitter.
Yes that is very true Alfred you are right there 8((()*/
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Likewise, members of the public are now aware of the existence of mccann supporting trolls.
The irony being , the sites where they post are easy to find.
then the abuse of Kerry should be easy to find too - so where is it?
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Rubbish.
Not if it has already been removed.
If there had been any from McCann supporters it would have been screenshot and used as ammunition against them straight away. Get real Stephen, are you unaware of how this online war is being conducted?
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Yes that is very true Alfred you are right there 8((()*/
Kerry Needham, does not seem someone who misinterprets what was said to her.
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then the abuse of Kerry should be easy to find too - so where is it?
So where are the ones from the 'sceptics' towards the Needhams ?
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So where are the ones from the 'sceptics' towards the Needhams ?
Pardon?
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Do you really imagine it is only some mccann supporters who support the Needhams ?
What about other people ???
You can support the Needhams and not support the mccanns. Hasn't that thought occurred to you ?
every person I have met and seen post on the net who supports the mccanns also supports the needhams
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"Kerry Needham said: "It feels like a personal attack on me. It is deeply, deeply hurtful.
I have myself had massive amounts of slanderous abuse from supporters of the McCann Campaign in the past but I have never taken that personally.
It's freedom of speech. But it is getting the names of two missing children out there which is really important."
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every person I have met and seen post on the net who supports the mccanns also supports the needhams
Every person you met ?
I can say equally on that basis, that very few people I have talked on the issue of the mccanns don't support them bar one, whilst they do support the Needhams.
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every person I have met and seen post on the net who supports the mccanns also supports the needhams
The point being?
How big was your sample?
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"Kerry Needham said: "It feels like a personal attack on me. It is deeply, deeply hurtful.
I have myself had massive amounts of slanderous abuse from supporters of the McCann Campaign in the past but I have never taken that personally.
It's freedom of speech. But it is getting the names of two missing children out there which is really important."
Quote - supporters of the McCann Campaign in the past unquote That doesn't sound like twitter to me.
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Every person you met ?
I can say equally on that basis, that very few people I have talked on the issue of the mccanns don't support them bar one, whilst they do support the Needhams.
I find it quite peculiar that someone could support one child and not the other.
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Quote - supporters of the McCann Campaign in the past unquote That doesn't sound like twitter to me.
Selective reading Lace.
She said she had slanderous abuse .
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The same question about producing evidence of McCann supporters abusing KN is currently being discussed on Twitter.
As on here - no evidence has been forthcoming, despite the bulging files of screenshots the sceptics have amassed over the years.
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The same question about producing evidence of McCann supporters abusing KN is currently being discussed on Twitter.
As on here - no evidence has been forthcoming, despite the bulging files of screenshots the sceptics have amassed over the years.
We can also apply the reverse logic.
Mccann supporters posing as sceptics to attack the mccanns, to induce sympathy for the mccanns.
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There are clearly disturbed people supporting the mccanns.
Are you denying that ?
of course there are...as there are disturbed people supporting the needhams and trolling the McCanns...Brenda Leyland was definitely disturbed
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The same question about producing evidence of McCann supporters abusing KN is currently being discussed on Twitter.
As on here - no evidence has been forthcoming, despite the bulging files of screenshots the sceptics have amassed over the years.
It doesn't exist so perhaps it was on Facebook, or by e-mail. The thing is though, how would she know the troll was a McCann supporter unless they introduced themselves as such: "I support the McCanns but blah blah blah abuse abuse abuse" - it just doesn't seem likely IMO, nevertheless I'm fully prepared to accept that it happened and would urge the Needham camp to name and shame at the earliest opportunity.
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"Kerry Needham said: "It feels like a personal attack on me. It is deeply, deeply hurtful.
I have myself had massive amounts of slanderous abuse from supporters of the McCann Campaign in the past but I have never taken that personally.
It's freedom of speech. But it is getting the names of two missing children out there which is really important."
I don't believe that.....Kerry may have been misquoted...or just upset and getting a little carried away
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"Kerry Needham said: "It feels like a personal attack on me. It is deeply, deeply hurtful.
I have myself had massive amounts of slanderous abuse from supporters of the McCann Campaign in the past but I have never taken that personally.
It's freedom of speech. But it is getting the names of two missing children out there which is really important."
" ... it is getting the names of two missing children out there which is really important."
The last thing on the minds of those who posted "toxic" and "hateful" messages about Madeleine on Ben's account in the full knowledge they would appear on Madeleine's account are missing children.
Whether that is Ben Needham, Madeleine McCann or any other missing person ... they quite simply do not care.
There are people who could be categorised as causing a row in an empty room ... this latest unfortunate escapade probably must rank amongst one of their better 'triumphs'.
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I don't believe that.....Kerry may have been misquoted...or just upset and getting a little carried away
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needhams-mum-hits-back-6580099
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The point being?
How big was your sample?
you need to see my post in the context it was made...its a common mistake made by posters on here
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needhams-mum-hits-back-6580099
looks like I am right again.....Kerry has said she is deeply hurt so perhaps saying something she doesn't really mean...I expect some clarification soon
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We can also apply the reverse logic.
Mccann supporters posing as sceptics to attack the mccanns, to induce sympathy for the mccanns.
Totally illogical, given the ever-dwindling level of support for the McCanns according to your stats from media comments. Why fan the flames when the fire is already out of control?
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looks like I am right again.....Kerry has said she is deeply hurt so perhaps saying something she doesn't really mean...I expect some clarification soon
'..slanderous abuse..'
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Totally illogical, given the ever-dwindling level of support for the McCanns according to your stats from media comments. Why fan the flames when the fire is already out of control?
Why is that any more illogical than with the other scenario ?
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'..slanderous abuse..'
I know a lot about how women react when they get upset.....expect a statement playing it all down soon
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I think it's probably time for everyone to follow Find Ben's lead, grow up and concentrate on more important issues:
Help Find Ben Needham
Yesterday at 16:21 ·
Thank you to everyone for their support over the last few days. All recent posts regarding Twitter have been deleted and can we please ask you to keep this page about Ben and we all move on. We thank you all for your continuing support .
#helpfindben 💙
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Why is that any more illogical than with the other scenario ?
What other scenario? The sceptics were using KN's group to post abuse about the McCanns, not pretending to be supporters of KN.
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What other scenario? The sceptics were using KN's group to post abuse about the McCanns, not pretending to be supporters of KN.
No.
McCann supporters pretending to be sceptics attacking the the mccanns and the Needhams.
As logical as sceptics pretending to be mccann supporters attacking the Needham.
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I know a lot about how women react when they get upset.....expect a statement playing it all down soon
Is that based on your personal experiences with women getting upset with you ?
&%+((£
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No.
McCann supporters pretending to be sceptics attacking the the mccanns and the Needhams.
As logical as sceptics pretending to be mccann supporters attacking the Needham.
Too complicated, too illogical & you've no proof.
Time to move on.
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Too complicated, too illogical & you've no proof.
Time to move on.
Really.
So no proof then sceptics were pretending to be mccann supporters and attacking the Needhams ?
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Is that based on your personal experiences with women getting upset with you ?
&%+((£
partly.....Kerry is obviously very upset and saying things she doesn't really mean
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partly.....Kerry is obviously very upset and saying things she doesn't really mean
How would you know that ?
That is your based supposition and no more.
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Really.
So no proof then sceptics were pretending to be mccann supporters and attacking the Needhams ?
Who said the sceptics were attacking the Needhams? You've been asked to provide evidence anyone involved in the McCann case has verbally abused the Needhams on social media.
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How would you know that ?
That is your based supposition and no more.
I'm absolutely right...wait and see...then you can apologise too me
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Who said the sceptics were attacking the Needhams? You've been asked to provide evidence anyone involved in the McCann case has verbally abused the Needhams on social media.
I have taken the statement from a kerry Needham, and quite frankly I would trust her to give an honest account, that I would not expect elsewhere.
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I'm absolutely right...wait and see...then you can apologise too me
Her statement in the Mirror stands.
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Oh news just in...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3261469/McCanns-shut-official-Madeleine-Twitter-account-trolled-supporters-Ben-Needham-s-family.html
Twitter is closed. Trolls are affecting the search? How are they doing that exactly? No one knows what has happened to her...
Story begins with going on holiday with family... then no sight or sound of Little Maddie.
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Who said the sceptics were attacking the Needhams? You've been asked to provide evidence anyone involved in the McCann case has verbally abused the Needhams on social media.
It has been alleged that sceptics were pretending to be mccann supporters and attacking the Needhams.
Are you saying that is untrue ?
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I have taken the statement from a kerry Needham, and quite frankly I would trust her to give an honest account, that I would not expect elsewhere.
I said she was probably upset and not thinking straight then you give a link to an article where she says she was very upset...I expect some clarification in the next few days. She really need a spokesman to speak to the press for her
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I said she was probably upset and not thinking straight then you give a link to an article where she says she was very upset...I expect some clarification in the next few days. She really need a spokesman to speak to the press for her
You mean to give 'another' version favourable to the mccanns ?
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It has been alleged that sceptics were pretending to be mccann supporters and attacking the Needhams.
Are you saying that is untrue ?
The sceptics were using the OFBN page to post anti-McCann propaganda.
Where is it claimed that sceptics were posing as McCann supporters? I suspect they'd rather swim with sharks than pretend to be one of "those".
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I said she was probably upset and not thinking straight then you give a link to an article where she says she was very upset...I expect some clarification in the next few days. She really need a spokesman to speak to the press for her
Of course she was upset.
The truth of the Madeleine Facebook page and the mentality of those behind it, was revealed in all it's glory.
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I said she was probably upset and not thinking straight then you give a link to an article where she says she was very upset...I expect some clarification in the next few days. She really need a spokesman to speak to the press for her
The pseudo resident psychologist strikes again
It must have been Kerry who was confused and upset, misunderstood everything etc etc (good job you didn't call her disturbed to boot) not the FM webmaster, no no
Mitchell has been used and spoken, so the climb down has been from that quarter for the raucous they have caused
KN has never felt the need to use a ventriloquist and I doubt she will be starting now
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The sceptics were using the OFBN page to post anti-McCann propaganda.
Where is it claimed that sceptics were posing as McCann supporters? I suspect they'd rather swim with sharks than pretend to be one of "those".
Anti-mccann propaganda ?
The mccanns do that all by themselves.
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The pseudo resident psychologist strikes again
It must have been Kerry who was confused and upset, misunderstood everything etc etc (good job you didn't call her disturbed to boot) not the FM webmaster, no no
Mitchell has been used and spoken, so the climb down has been from that quarter for the raucous they have caused
KN has never felt the need to use a ventriloquist and I doubt she will be starting now
Oh very good, I like that 8((()*/
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The pseudo resident psychologist strikes again
It must have been Kerry who was confused and upset, misunderstood everything etc etc (good job you didn't call her disturbed to boot) not the FM webmaster, no no
Mitchell has been used and spoken, so the climb down has been from that quarter for the raucous they have caused
KN has never felt the need to use a ventriloquist and I doubt she will be starting now
disturbed to boot...so now you are criticising me for what I didn't say...would you like to know what the resident psychiatrist thinks of you...you wouldn't like it
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Oh very good, I like that 8((()*/
Seconded. 8((()*/
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Is Kerry upset that 'her supporters' caused the McCANNS to close down their Twitter Account, now they will never be able to find their daughter now that Twitter has closed...
But then where have they looked for her? Map of those places .. anyone?
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disturbed to boot...so now you are criticising me for what I didn't say...would you like to know what the resident psychiatrist thinks of you...you wouldn't like it
Resident psychiatrist ?
You could put 100 in the same room and come up with 100 different opinions.
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Resident psychiatrist ?
You could put 100 in the same room and come up with 100 different opinions.
psychiatry is like the dogs alerts...very little scientific evidence to back it up
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disturbed to boot...so now you are criticising me for what I didn't say...would you like to know what the resident psychiatrist thinks of you...you wouldn't like it
I actually applauded you for NOT saying it, as you did when you spoke ill of the dead, so stop squirming and twisting thngs and havng a hernia
Personal attack struck through but lucky for you not reported
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I actually applauded you for NOT saying it, as you did when you spoke ill of the dead, so stop squirming and havng a hernia
Personal attack struck through but lucky for you not reported
8((()*/
there are a lot of dead I have no problem speaking ill of
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there are a lot of dead I have no problem speaking ill of
In general, I think the maxim, If you have nothing good to say about someone who has died, say nothing is a sound one.
But there are definitely exceptions: Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, people like that.
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In general, I think the maxim, If you have nothing good to say about someone who has died, say nothing is a sound one.
But there are definitely exceptions: Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, people like that.
... pol pot, Tony Blair, Mugabe.. AND s..mbag paedos, hard line muslims/jews/christians... anyone with a terror agenda in fact!
aw my post was removed.. I take it we don't have a resident psychiatrist then? Boo hoo.
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there are a lot of dead I have no problem speaking ill of
Me too, but normally they are rapists, mass murders, serial killers and the like.....not normal twitterers whose tweets were not liked !!
I do so hope my original reply was seen by you before it was VANISHED ...it contained true facts! And c ones with cites here
8((()*/
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Me too, but normally they are rapists, mass murders, serial killers and the like.....not normal twitterers whose tweets were not liked !!
I do so hope my original reply was seen by you before it was VANISHED ...it contained true facts! And c ones with cites here
8((()*/
So in principle nothing wrong with speaking ill of the dead as long as you can personally justify it
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psychiatry is like the dogs alerts...very little scientific evidence to back it up
So why mention it ?
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So why mention it ?
Mention what
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... pol pot, Tony Blair, Mugabe.. AND s..mbag paedos, hard line muslims/jews/christians... anyone with a terror agenda in fact!
aw my post was removed.. I take it we don't have a resident psychiatrist then? Boo hoo.
Certainly I would say that people in public life remain fair game for criticism after they pass on ....
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Mention what
Trick cyclists. 8)--))
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So why mention it ?
Keep up Stephen, people who are suspicious of any little thing in this case have psychiatric problems
that's Mr Pheasant Shooter's and others' inane (at best) argument
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Trick cyclists. 8)--))
I was having a bit of fun
You may have notice Mercury referred to me as the resident pseudo psychologist
I just continued the fun
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Keep up Stephen, people who are suspicious of any little thing in this case have psychiatric problems
that's Mr Pheasant Shooter's and others' inane (at best) argument
Accepting the problem is the first step to solving it... Any who thinks I haven't ever shot a pheasant certainly has problems
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I was having a bit of fun
You may have notice Mercury referred to me as the resident pseudo psychologist
I just continued the fun
Have you been under a psychologist ? 8**8:/:
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Accepting the problem is the first step to solving it... Any who thinks I haven't ever shot a pheasant certainly has problems
Well, the pheasants are revolting. 8)--))
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So in principle nothing wrong with speaking ill of the dead as long as you can personally justify it
Stop fretting
You can slag off dead psychotic criminals and dead door stepped by the world's biggest news corp twitterer housewives till the cows come home if that makes you happy, it's not a crime in law, itself
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Have you been under a psychologist ? 8**8:/:
I have and I must say it was a very pleasant experience
Generally I tend to be on top
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Accepting the problem is the first step to solving it... Any who thinks I haven't ever shot a pheasant certainly has problems
We all realise your problem in this particular circumstance, not sure I'm bothered abut tryng to solve it, I ain't a social worker or psychiatrist
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Certainly I would say that people in public life remain fair game for criticism after they pass on ....
Not before?
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Most of the stories about this seem to me to be hinting that the problem was caused by Kerry's comments about funding. Interesting to see a story which mentions the McCanns but has no pics of them or Madeleine, just Ben and his Mum. Is that a first?
Tension has been building between the two missing persons campaigns in recent weeks, after Kerry Needham, whose son Ben vanished 24 years ago in Greece, questioned the huge sum of police money spent on the search for missing Madeleine.
http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/mum-of-sheffield-s-missing-ben-needham-hits-out-as-madeleine-mccann-s-parents-close-twitter-account-1-7499329
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I have and I must say it was a very pleasant experience
Generally I tend to be on top
You might lose your credentials if you're not very careful. @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Not before?
Before, certainly.
But that's taken as read.
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Before, certainly.
But that's taken as read.
Oh good, so the McCanns can be criticised and it won't be trolling.
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Kerry Needham, does not seem someone who misinterprets what was said to her.
Make your mind up Stephen.
Kerry Needham supports the McCanns. According to you anyone who supports the McCanns lives in La La land and believes in fairy stories.
You can't have it both ways.
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Oh good, so the McCanns can be criticised and it won't be trolling.
Criticism of the McCanns is a separate subject.
Calling into question their innocence (of anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance) is beyond the pale ...
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Criticism of the McCanns is a separate subject.
Calling into question their innocence (of anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance) is beyond the pale ...
Why is it a separate subject?
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Criticism of the McCanns is a separate subject.
Calling into question their innocence (of anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance) is beyond the pale ...
No it is not, it's a cold case with no perpetrator found or charged, Mccanns have not been cleared by any authority, all they had was arguido status lifted, as the case was shelved, which doesn't mean cleared....if the Mccanns and or their web masters want to spread the idea that any innocuous question or comment as well as not , harms the search they will have to prove it
it's ridiculous to suggest a few online comments can harm their search.....in what way?
Eta
The closing of the FM Twitter account was IMO damage limitation plus the opportunity to cry wolf yet again
No one trolled that account, to the extent the drama queens alledge,in fact it had very few followers, the Mccanns webmaster just couldn't control what was said in Twitter that seeped into there as well at times, but I have to ask why after seven years, it does not add up
And you will find the truth lies elsewhere...that the Mccanns/webmaster were pissed off for other reasons and that's why THEY blocked the FndBen account which started all this pathetic palava
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Make your mind up Stephen.
Kerry Needham supports the McCanns. According to you anyone who supports the McCanns lives in La La land and believes in fairy stories.
You can't have it both ways.
So you believe Madeleine will return from nowhere to play happy families.
I do know some mccann supporters don't believe that.
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Criticism of the McCanns is a separate subject.
Calling into question their innocence (of anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance) is beyond the pale ...
Crime unknown ferryman.
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Crime unknown ferryman.
mcann supporters seem very agitated and upset to be called trolls dont they??
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mcann supporters seem very agitated and upset to be called trolls dont they??
I wonder why. &%+((£
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mcann supporters seem very agitated and upset to be called trolls dont they??
It's called projection
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
The worst of them are just as bad as the other or even worse from some thngs I have read
There is no space here for any moral arguments from them in this regard
The argument is actual quite void if you
examine it
Im just curious about who started and fuelled it to this day...I have my ideas
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So you believe Madeleine will return from nowhere to play happy families.
I do know some mccann supporters don't believe that.
LOL - What has any of that got to do with my post. Try to deflect as much as you like. Kerry Needham supports the McCanns and their search for Madeleine.
According to you that makes her a believer in fairy stories who lives in La La land - along with all others who support the McCanns. You can't have forgotten that - you've repeated it enough times.
Even after 23 years Kerry still believes Ben can be found alive. FACT.
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LOL - What has any of that got to do with my post. Try to deflect as much as you like. Kerry Needham supports the McCanns and their search for Madeleine.
According to you that makes her a believer in fairy stories who lives in La La land - along with all others who support the McCanns. You can't have forgotten that - you've repeated it enough times.
Even after 23 years Kerry still believes Ben can be found alive. FACT.
Unfortunately he might also be dead. That's a fact as well.
So do you believe Madeleine will be found ?
After all, she could be living with a really nice family or in the clutches of a paedophile.
You sound very desperate tonight.
Things not going well for the mccanns ?
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Unfortunately he might also be dead. That's a fact as well.
So do you believe Madeleine will be found ?
After all, she could be living with a really nice family or in the clutches of a paedophile.
You sound very desperate tonight.
Things not going well for the mccanns ?
people are waking up on with the comments on the daily mail too bet the supporters and mcanns dont like that many backing kerry and rightly so
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Unfortunately he might also be dead. That's a fact as well.
So do you believe Madeleine will be found ?
After all, she could be living with a really nice family or in the clutches of a paedophile.
You sound very desperate tonight.
Things not going well for the mccanns ?
LoL - You're the one desperately trying to deflect away from the fact that Kerry supports the McCanns - which in view of your opinion of anyone and everyone who supports them - makes your 'approving' posts about what she said more than a tad hypocritical IMO. As she is a supporter of the McCanns I'm surprised you haven't posted 'We only have her word for it'. That's what you usually do.
Anyway I'll leave you to carry on wriggling. Goodnight Stephen.
I predict the usual 'tit for tat' response.
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The McCanns in this instance have definitely been hoisted by their own petard.
Painting yourself as victims is something the McCanns have excelled at from the very beginning. And demonising those you claim to be victimising you isn't hard in a country that loathes bullies.
So now we have Kerry stating in the print media that she has had McCann-supporting trolls abuse her. The public will believe her, they have no reason not to. That no one has provided proof of this abuse will not matter. That Kerry, the grieving mother of a vanished child, has claimed she has been abused will be more than enough evidence for the GBP.
So now and for ever more McCann supporters will be villified for abusing the mother of a missing child. They can cry foul in their fetid forums forever but to the GBP it will matter not one jot. The moral high ground is theirs to claim no longer. Kerry is the victim, the faithful , and by extension the McCanns, the aggressors.
What a delicious irony !
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The McCanns in this instance have definitely been hoisted by their own petard.
Painting yourself as victims is something the McCanns have excelled at from the very beginning. And demonising those you claim to be victimising you isn't hard in a country that loathes bullies.
So now we have Kerry stating in the print media that she has had McCann-supporting trolls abuse her. The public will believe her, they have no reason not to. That no one has provided proof of this abuse will not matter. That Kerry, the grieving mother of a vanished child, has claimed she has been abused will be more than enough evidence for the GBP.
So now and for ever more McCann supporters will be villified for abusing the mother of a missing child. They can cry foul in their fetid forums forever but to the GBP it will matter not one jot. The moral high ground is theirs to claim no longer. Kerry is the victim, the faithful , and by extension the McCanns, the aggressors.
What a delicious irony !
well said and they can never accuse us of doing it to kate mcann either because they would be hypocrites there is saying be careful what you wish for ?{)(**
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The McCanns in this instance have definitely been hoisted by their own petard.
Painting yourself as victims is something the McCanns have excelled at from the very beginning. And demonising those you claim to be victimising you isn't hard in a country that loathes bullies.
So now we have Kerry stating in the print media that she has had McCann-supporting trolls abuse her. The public will believe her, they have no reason not to. That no one has provided proof of this abuse will not matter. That Kerry, the grieving mother of a vanished child, has claimed she has been abused will be more than enough evidence for the GBP.
So now and for ever more McCann supporters will be villified for abusing the mother of a missing child. They can cry foul in their fetid forums forever but to the GBP it will matter not one jot. The moral high ground is theirs to claim no longer. Kerry is the victim, the faithful , and by extension the McCanns, the aggressors.
What a delicious irony !
Delicious? Good heavens, you sound almost gleeful that The McCanns by association will be despised.
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Delicious? Good heavens, you sound almost gleeful that The McCanns by association will be despised.
Those you live by the sword etc etc !
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Delicious? Good heavens, you sound almost gleeful that The McCanns by association will be despised.
... and we still haven't seen evidence of a single abusive comment emanating from a McCann friendly forum or from a known McCann supporter ... the reason being ... that there are no abusive comments directed at Kerry Needham from that source.
But who bothers with evidence when there is more fun to be had disseminating misinformation prejudicial to Madeleine McCann's parents .
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... and we still haven't seen evidence of a single abusive comment emanating from a McCann friendly forum or from a known McCann supporter ... the reason being ... that there are no abusive comments directed at Kerry Needham from that source.
But who bothers with evidence when there is more fun to be had disseminating misinformation prejudicial to Madeleine McCann's parents .
so you are calling kerry a liar??
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so you are calling kerry a liar??
No, Carly. No one is calling Kerry a Liar.
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No, Carly. No one is calling Kerry a Liar.
Then what are you saying Eleanor, for the record ?
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The McCanns in this instance have definitely been hoisted by their own petard.
Painting yourself as victims is something the McCanns have excelled at from the very beginning. And demonising those you claim to be victimising you isn't hard in a country that loathes bullies.
So now we have Kerry stating in the print media that she has had McCann-supporting trolls abuse her. The public will believe her, they have no reason not to. That no one has provided proof of this abuse will not matter. That Kerry, the grieving mother of a vanished child, has claimed she has been abused will be more than enough evidence for the GBP.
So now and for ever more McCann supporters will be villified for abusing the mother of a missing child. They can cry foul in their fetid forums forever but to the GBP it will matter not one jot. The moral high ground is theirs to claim no longer. Kerry is the victim, the faithful , and by extension the McCanns, the aggressors.
What a delicious irony !
Even more ironical is that whenever an article appears in support of the McCanns you are on the forum like a shot basically pointing out that because it's a 'newspaper article' it shouldn't be taken as gospel. But when the article suits your agenda - you accept it completely.
Most of the GBP don't spend their time going into the minutaie of every tiny thing the McCanns do and say - constantly searching for something to criticise them about. In fact IMO they hardly ever think about the McCanns or the Needhams for that matter. Any normal decent member of the general public - who is not fanatical about the case - will simply be appalled at the vicious trolls who are responsible for all of this - no matter what side they are on. And that's as far as they will go IMO.
But carry on with the wishful thinking Faith.
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Then what are you saying Eleanor, for the record ?
brietta was saying no mcann supporter said anything about kerrie when kerrie said they did so isnt that calling kerry a liar??
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so you are calling kerry a liar??
I've just seen a really sick making comment directed towards the Drs McCann within a minute of entering another forum ... I would go so far as to say it was evil.
You are accusing McCann supporters of posting the same sort of hatred ... please be so kind as to name and shame ... in other words ... put up, or shut up.
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Even more ironical is that whenever an article appears in support of the McCanns you are on the forum like a shot basically pointing out that because it's a 'newspaper article' it shouldn't be taken as gospel. But when the article suits your agenda - you accept it completely.
Most of the GBP don't spend their time going into the minutaie of every tiny thing the McCanns do and say - constantly searching for something to criticise them about. In fact IMO they hardly ever think about the McCanns or the Needhams for that matter. Any normal decent member of the general public - who is not fanatical about the case - will simply be appalled at the vicious trolls who are responsible for all of this - no matter what side they are on. And that's as far as they will go IMO.
But carry on with the wishful thinking Faith.
I agree Benice, the general public will be appalled but by the seemingly senseless abuse of a single mother by the juggernaut that is the McCann 'campaign'.
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I've just seen a really sick making comment directed towards the Drs McCann within a minute of entering another forum ... I would go so far as to say it was evil.
You are accusing McCann supporters of posting the same sort of hatred ... please be so kind as to name and shame ... in other words ... put up, or shut up.
you are clearly bestotted with the mccans so you will never admit that some mcann supporters are worse then us so called mcann abusers why if stuff like this upsets you do you look at forums where you know people dont like the mcanns? then come whining here
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I agree Benice, the general public will be appalled but by the seemingly senseless abuse of a single mother by the juggernaut that is the McCann 'campaign'.
going by the daily mail comments faithlily people around the world are horrified at the mcanns behaviour towards kerry and of course the mcanns have made it all about them like always brietta adores the mcanns so she wont see anything bad said about them but the mcanns wanting to be centre of attention all the time has backfired big time everybody has had enough of their nassistic and agressive manner
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you are clearly bestotted with the mccans so you will never admit that some mcann supporters are worse then us so called mcann abusers why if stuff like this upsets you do you look at forums where you know people dont like the mcanns? then come whining here
You will be able to back up your claim that there are people out there "worse then us so called mcann abusers"?
It is usual when making an assertion you are able to provide a cite in substantiation of your claim.
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The McCanns in this instance have definitely been hoisted by their own petard.
Painting yourself as victims is something the McCanns have excelled at from the very beginning. And demonising those you claim to be victimising you isn't hard in a country that loathes bullies.
So now we have Kerry stating in the print media that she has had McCann-supporting trolls abuse her. The public will believe her, they have no reason not to. That no one has provided proof of this abuse will not matter. That Kerry, the grieving mother of a vanished child, has claimed she has been abused will be more than enough evidence for the GBP.
So now and for ever more McCann supporters will be villified for abusing the mother of a missing child. They can cry foul in their fetid forums forever but to the GBP it will matter not one jot. The moral high ground is theirs to claim no longer. Kerry is the victim, the faithful , and by extension the McCanns, the aggressors.
What a delicious irony !
The GBP will roll their eyes with weary cynicism at this complete non story, wrap their potato peelings up it and bin the lot. That you believe McCann supporters will be vilified forever more by the GBP really is quite comical, but your unashamed glee at such a thought is slightly disturbing and makes you sound somewhat unhinged.
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going by the daily mail comments faithlily people around the world are horrified at the mcanns behaviour towards kerry and of course the mcanns have made it all about them like always brietta adores the mcanns so she wont see anything bad said about them but the mcanns wanting to be centre of attention all the time has backfired big time everybody has had enough of their nassistic and agressive manner
So now it is The McCanns who have personally abused Kerry. My goodness, that was quick.
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I agree Benice, the general public will be appalled but by the seemingly senseless abuse of a single mother by the juggernaut that is the McCann 'campaign'.
There have been numerous stories about the abuse meted out to the McCanns by various sceptic trolls over the years - so where does that leave the poor old GBP, eh? In a bit of a confuddle about who to be appalled by I expect - the McCann trolls or the Anti McCann trolls? Gosh life can be so complicated at times!
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What Faithlilly seems to be saying is that it matters not a jot whether Kerry Needham actually WAS abused by McCann supporters, all that matters is that the GBP believe that she was, and that somehow this has destroyed the credibility of McCann supporters forever more. Have I got that right? If so, no wonder she's feeling so deliriously pleased with herself tonight!
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There have been numerous stories about the abuse meted out to the McCanns by various sceptic trolls over the years - so where does that leave the poor old GBP, eh? In a bit of a confuddle about who to be appalled by I expect - the McCann trolls or the Anti McCann trolls? Gosh life can be so complicated at times!
As if life isn't difficult enough for these two families ... it seems there are those with nothing better to do than try to drive a wedge between them for their own personal motives be it malice or sheer enjoyment.
The forced withdrawal from twitter doesn't help anyone ... particularly children whose kidnapping by a parent or relative can be flagged up in time to prevent something more serious happening.
"What about all the other missing children?" ... maybe that is one lifeline less for them.
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What Faithlilly seems to be saying is that it matters not a jot whether Kerry Needham actually WAS abused by McCann supporters, all that matters is that the GBP believe that she was, and that somehow this has destroyed the credibility of McCann supporters forever more. Have I got that right? If so, no wonder she's feeling so deliriously pleased with herself tonight!
In the PR war being waged by the McCanns all that does matter is what the GBP can be made to believe.
Unfortunately they miscalculated the consequences this time.
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As if life isn't difficult enough for these two families ... it seems there are those with nothing better to do than try to drive a wedge between them for their own personal motives be it malice or sheer enjoyment.
The forced withdrawal from twitter doesn't help anyone ... particularly children whose kidnapping by a parent or relative can be flagged up in time to prevent something more serious happening.
"What about all the other missing children?" ... maybe that is one lifeline less for them.
Then perhaps the McCanns shouldn't have pulled their Twitter account in a fit of pique.
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As if life isn't difficult enough for these two families ... it seems there are those with nothing better to do than try to drive a wedge between them for their own personal motives be it malice or sheer enjoyment.
The forced withdrawal from twitter doesn't help anyone ... particularly children whose kidnapping by a parent or relative can be flagged up in time to prevent something more serious happening.
"What about all the other missing children?" ... maybe that is one lifeline less for them.
To re-enforce the point you have just made, further demonstrating the damage the trolls have done resulting in the closure of one outlet synonymous with missing children, namely Madeleine McCann :-
http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/when-missing-kids-go-viral-why-everyones-sharing-lost-children-now/story-fnjwnhzf-1227558043736
THE idea of a “viral” missing child sounds wrong, like people rubbernecking from their cars for a better view of an accident.
While it’s uncomfortable evidence of our base instincts, this fascination with real-life horror stories could be key to solving some of the world’s most perplexing disappearances.
Despite serious concerns over false leads and trolling, these rapidly expanding networks have already been responsible for finding children who might otherwise have been lost forever.
The numbers are persuasive. Missing toddler William Tyrrell’s Facebook page has more than 57,000 likes, with users as far afield as the US and the Netherlands sharing his story.
A typical appeal on the Australian Missing and Endangered Children Facebook page about Clive Hart, a 12-year-old who went missing in Perth two weeks ago, has had more than 800 shares across the country. Commenters on the page often add their postcode to illustrate how far the post has been shared. “Shared Gladstone 4680”, comments a Queensland woman on Clive’s post. “Shared 2680”, adds a user from Griffith, NSW.
It’s a global phenomenon. Missing Children Argentina has almost 150,000 likes. A post about Sofia Herrera, a child who vanished seven years ago, reads: “It takes more inquisitive glances, more restless attitudes, more pro-activeness, more sensitivity, more interest, more activity in the search. Sofia needs us.” It has almost 7000 shares.
“Thanks for sharing your image,” reads another post. “Thanks for lending us your eyes.”
Missing Children South Africa has almost 60,000 likes, while America’s National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has 291,631 likes, with a post about missing Ohio two-year-old Rainn Peterson gaining almost 19,000 shares (she has since been found).
It’s hard to quantify how many of these posts have led to a child being located, since witnesses are encouraged to directly contact the police, rather than speculate online. But there are definite examples.
In January, Carl Koppelman solved the cold case of 16-year-old Tammy Jo Alexander, who went missing in the 1970s, when a childhood friend shared a photo. He recognised Tammy Jo from a photo on the WebSleuths site of an unidentified US teenager found shot to death in a cornfield in 1979. Could a similar moment help discover the identity of South Australia’s suitcase girl?
Last June, a cashier at a truck stop in Louisiana was approached by a middle-aged man and a teenager she recognised from an online video, local TV station 10 News reported. Fawn Dominque sent the pair to another cashier while she checked the footage, and then rang the police. She had found Ashley Lyon from Florida and her abductor, 41-year-old Steven Myers.
Dominque had recognised them from one of the more controversial pages about missing kids — that of former prosecutor Nancy Grace, a TV personality on CNN’s “must-see, must-share” channel HLN.
Grace has almost two million likes, and one recent post about an abandoned baby gained 50,000 shares.
The larger-than-life, divisive star operates at the intersection between real-life crime and entertainment. Her team use Crowdtangle, a tool that helps companies find and track content that’s performing strongly across the social web, Buzzfeed reported this week. Producers filter for grisly crime, helping them identify the missing children, abductions, rapes and murders that are triggering the highest sharing rates among Facebook users.
It’s disconcerting that cases might get extra attention depending on how attractive a child is or how relatable the crime, but it’s something that’s been happening in the media for decades.
The parents of missing three-year-old Madeleine McCann endured years of unproven allegations against them, which led to an inquiry into press standards in the UK. With social media stoking the fire, some campaigns to track down a missing child can get out of hand, and unsubstantiated rumours built up into stories with the power to ruin lives.
Amateur online detectives have caused all sorts of distress to victims’ families and friends and innocent suspects in murder cases.
Popular podcast Serial hit the headlines when it provoked a frenzy of speculation about a 1999 high school murder, upsetting and angering the victim’s family.
Back in 1996, the case of murdered six-year-old JonBenet Ramsey led to what her parents John and Patsy called “the first cyberspace lynching”, a new form of witch-hunting and vigil[ censored word]m that tore into almost everyone connected to the case, and contributed to the shutdown of the Justice Watch website.
A posting of William Tyrrell’s story to the “Unresolved Mysteries” section of social network Reddit, which has 114,446 readers, recently attracted 200-plus comments, including uncorroborated accusations against family members and government organisations. Another post about the case on Facebook reads: “I was up in applehill today and seen a boy they also called william that looked just like your some and when I saw them I had gotten a sick feeling about it” (sic).
But despite the upsetting effect of these comments, even the slim chance that a child could be found keeps families determined to use the connected world of social media. Relatives often run Facebook pages themselves, or post regular public appeals years after the police have had to move on. When Suzie Ratcliffe posted on Facebook in 2012 about her sister Joanne, who went missing at Adelaide Oval in 1973, a woman came forward with potential new clues.
It’s a world of pain, shattered hopes and potential exploitation of tragedy for personal and commercial gain. Nevertheless, most parents with a lost child would pray for their baby to go viral.
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To re-enforce the point you have just made, further demonstrating the damage the trolls have done resulting in the closure of one outlet synonymous with missing children, namely Madeleine McCann :-
http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/when-missing-kids-go-viral-why-everyones-sharing-lost-children-
now/story-fnjwnhzf-1227558043736
THE idea of a “viral” missing child sounds wrong, like people rubbernecking from their cars for a better view of an accident.
While it’s uncomfortable evidence of our base instincts, this fascination with real-life horror stories could be key to solving some of the world’s most perplexing disappearances.
Despite serious concerns over false leads and trolling, these rapidly expanding networks have already been responsible for finding children who might otherwise have been lost forever.
The numbers are persuasive. Missing toddler William Tyrrell’s Facebook page has more than 57,000 likes, with users as far afield as the US and the Netherlands sharing his story.
A typical appeal on the Australian Missing and Endangered Children Facebook page about Clive Hart, a 12-year-old who went missing in Perth two weeks ago, has had more than 800 shares across the country. Commenters on the page often add their postcode to illustrate how far the post has been shared. “Shared Gladstone 4680”, comments a Queensland woman on Clive’s post. “Shared 2680”, adds a user from Griffith, NSW.
It’s a global phenomenon. Missing Children Argentina has almost 150,000 likes. A post about Sofia Herrera, a child who vanished seven years ago, reads: “It takes more inquisitive glances, more restless attitudes, more pro-activeness, more sensitivity, more interest, more activity in the search. Sofia needs us.” It has almost 7000 shares.
“Thanks for sharing your image,” reads another post. “Thanks for lending us your eyes.”
Missing Children South Africa has almost 60,000 likes, while America’s National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has 291,631 likes, with a post about missing Ohio two-year-old Rainn Peterson gaining almost 19,000 shares (she has since been found).
It’s hard to quantify how many of these posts have led to a child being located, since witnesses are encouraged to directly contact the police, rather than speculate online. But there are definite examples.
In January, Carl Koppelman solved the cold case of 16-year-old Tammy Jo Alexander, who went missing in the 1970s, when a childhood friend shared a photo. He recognised Tammy Jo from a photo on the WebSleuths site of an unidentified US teenager found shot to death in a cornfield in 1979. Could a similar moment help discover the identity of South Australia’s suitcase girl?
Last June, a cashier at a truck stop in Louisiana was approached by a middle-aged man and a teenager she recognised from an online video, local TV station 10 News reported. Fawn Dominque sent the pair to another cashier while she checked the footage, and then rang the police. She had found Ashley Lyon from Florida and her abductor, 41-year-old Steven Myers.
Dominque had recognised them from one of the more controversial pages about missing kids — that of former prosecutor Nancy Grace, a TV personality on CNN’s “must-see, must-share” channel HLN.
Grace has almost two million likes, and one recent post about an abandoned baby gained 50,000 shares.
The larger-than-life, divisive star operates at the intersection between real-life crime and entertainment. Her team use Crowdtangle, a tool that helps companies find and track content that’s performing strongly across the social web, Buzzfeed reported this week. Producers filter for grisly crime, helping them identify the missing children, abductions, rapes and murders that are triggering the highest sharing rates among Facebook users.
It’s disconcerting that cases might get extra attention depending on how attractive a child is or how relatable the crime, but it’s something that’s been happening in the media for decades.
The parents of missing three-year-old Madeleine McCann endured years of unproven allegations against them, which led to an inquiry into press standards in the UK. With social media stoking the fire, some campaigns to track down a missing child can get out of hand, and unsubstantiated rumours built up into stories with the power to ruin lives.
Amateur online detectives have caused all sorts of distress to victims’ families and friends and innocent suspects in murder cases.
Popular podcast Serial hit the headlines when it provoked a frenzy of speculation about a 1999 high school murder, upsetting and angering the victim’s family.
Back in 1996, the case of murdered six-year-old JonBenet Ramsey led to what her parents John and Patsy called “the first cyberspace lynching”, a new form of witch-hunting and vigil[ censored word]m that tore into almost everyone connected to the case, and contributed to the shutdown of the Justice Watch website.
A posting of William Tyrrell’s story to the “Unresolved Mysteries” section of social network Reddit, which has 114,446 readers, recently attracted 200-plus comments, including uncorroborated accusations against family members and government organisations. Another post about the case on Facebook reads: “I was up in applehill today and seen a boy they also called william that looked just like your some and when I saw them I had gotten a sick feeling about it” (sic).
But despite the upsetting effect of these comments, even the slim chance that a child could be found keeps families determined to use the connected world of social media. Relatives often run Facebook pages themselves, or post regular public appeals years after the police have had to move on. When Suzie Ratcliffe posted on Facebook in 2012 about her sister Joanne, who went missing at Adelaide Oval in 1973, a woman came forward with potential new clues.
It’s a world of pain, shattered hopes and potential exploitation of tragedy for personal and commercial gain. Nevertheless, most parents with a lost child would pray for their baby to go viral.
I couldn't follow your link, Misty, like the people who are trying to derail Madeleine's campaign in any which way they can ... it isn't joined up. Try ...
http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/when-missing-kids-go-viral-why-everyones-sharing-lost-children-now/story-fnjwnhzf-1227558043736
Heartbreaking article, though and very thought provoking about the desperation of people looking for their loved ones.
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I couldn't follow your link, Misty, like the people who are trying to derail Madeleine's campaign in any which way they can ... it isn't joined up. Try ...
http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/when-missing-kids-go-viral-why-everyones-sharing-lost-children-now/story-fnjwnhzf-1227558043736
Heartbreaking article, though and very thought provoking about the desperation of people looking for their loved ones.
Thanks for pointing that out, I have amended my link. (I'm having a lot of problems c&p'ing on Windows 10 & Edge for some reason)
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Thanks for pointing that out, I have amended my link. (I'm having a lot of problems c&p'ing on Windows 10 & Edge for some reason)
From your link I went to the Australian suitcase child and watched the webcam video released by the police.
Chilling that it was reported ... "Detectives are sorting through the records of thousands of children who match the profile of the little girl and could be the victim.
How sad there are all those missing children and tortured families out there. Yet no-one has claimed this little girl.
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From your link I went to the Australian suitcase child and watched the webcam video released by the police.
Chilling that it was reported ... "Detectives are sorting through the records of thousands of children who match the profile of the little girl and could be the victim.
How sad there are all those missing children and tortured families out there. Yet no-one has claimed this little girl.
It is a strange case, for sure.
She may be an adopted or fostered child lost to the system, or something more sinister - perhaps not even a native Australian.
There are a lot of tortured families out there, some of which know where the child is but legally are unable to bring them home. These are troubled times.
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I agree Benice, the general public will be appalled but by the seemingly senseless abuse of a single mother by the juggernaut that is the McCann 'campaign'.
the general public will not bat an eyelid
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The McCanns in this instance have definitely been hoisted by their own petard.
Painting yourself as victims is something the McCanns have excelled at from the very beginning. And demonising those you claim to be victimising you isn't hard in a country that loathes bullies.
So now we have Kerry stating in the print media that she has had McCann-supporting trolls abuse her. The public will believe her, they have no reason not to. That no one has provided proof of this abuse will not matter. That Kerry, the grieving mother of a vanished child, has claimed she has been abused will be more than enough evidence for the GBP.
So now and for ever more McCann supporters will be villified for abusing the mother of a missing child. They can cry foul in their fetid forums forever but to the GBP it will matter not one jot. The moral high ground is theirs to claim no longer. Kerry is the victim, the faithful , and by extension the McCanns, the aggressors.
What a delicious irony !
the GBP won't bat an eyelid
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the GBP won't bat an eyelid
they already have davel so has the rest of the world but keep in your fantasy land
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LoL - You're the one desperately trying to deflect away from the fact that Kerry supports the McCanns - which in view of your opinion of anyone and everyone who supports them - makes your 'approving' posts about what she said more than a tad hypocritical IMO. As she is a supporter of the McCanns I'm surprised you haven't posted 'We only have her word for it'. That's what you usually do.
Anyway I'll leave you to carry on wriggling. Goodnight Stephen.
I predict the usual 'tit for tat' response.
You didn't answer my question.
Do you think Madeleine will be found ?
and don't preach about tit for tat, that's just what you did.
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I've just seen a really sick making comment directed towards the Drs McCann within a minute of entering another forum ... I would go so far as to say it was evil.
You are accusing McCann supporters of posting the same sort of hatred ... please be so kind as to name and shame ... in other words ... put up, or shut up.
Try reading Kerry Needhams statement.
YOU ARE IN DENIAL.
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As if life isn't difficult enough for these two families ... it seems there are those with nothing better to do than try to drive a wedge between them for their own personal motives be it malice or sheer enjoyment.
The forced withdrawal from twitter doesn't help anyone ... particularly children whose kidnapping by a parent or relative can be flagged up in time to prevent something more serious happening.
"What about all the other missing children?" ... maybe that is one lifeline less for them.
tHE WEDGE CAME FROM WHO IS BEHIND THE Madeleine FACEBOOK PAGE.
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The GBP wont bat an eyelid...a major misunderstanding has happened...interestingly Kerry Needham has criticised the McCanns but the McCanns have not criticised the Needhams
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The GBP wont bat an eyelid...a major misunderstanding has happened...interestingly Kerry Needham has criticised the McCanns but the McCanns have not criticised the Needhams
Trough their proxies dave they have, as usual.
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Trough their proxies dave they have, as usual.
no they haven't you are making things up as usual
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Trough their proxies dave they have, as usual.
the same way mcann supporters did by proxy with brenda a year ago
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no they haven't you are making things up as usual
you are in denial today davel feeling a bit anxious with this stuff about mcann supporters and also today is the start of the trial agains tthe mcanns with GA what if he wins!!!
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you are in denial today davel feeling a bit anxious with this stuff about mcann supporters and also today is the start of the trial agains tthe mcanns with GA what if he wins!!!
the vast majority of the GBP will not even be aware of the story...it is of no importance to anyone apart from a small group on the net...anyone who thinks otherwise as you do...is deluded
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no they haven't you are making things up as usual
WRONG as usual.
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WRONG as usual.
then supply some evidence..you cant because you are making things up......
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you are in denial today davel feeling a bit anxious with this stuff about mcann supporters and also today is the start of the trial agains tthe mcanns with GA what if he wins!!!
the result could be years away an the way he looks he may well not be around for it
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then supply some evidence..you cant because you are making things up......
The facebook webmaster stated they had consulted the mccanns.
Angelo put it succinctly the other day.
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We'll have less of the insults if you don't mind.
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going by the daily mail comments faithlily people around the world are horrified at the mcanns behaviour towards kerry and of course the mcanns have made it all about them like always brietta adores the mcanns so she wont see anything bad said about them but the mcanns wanting to be centre of attention all the time has backfired big time everybody has had enough of their nassistic and agressive manner
I take it you have never read the messages that go out to the sceptic forums - gleefully telling everyone the 'comments' section of a newspaper is open and to get over there ASAP to post their venom. Anyone who believes the 'comments' are an accurate measure of how the GBP think is deluding themselves big time imo.
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You didn't answer my question.
Do you think Madeleine will be found ?
and don't preach about tit for tat, that's just what you did.
I believe exactly the same as the McCanns and the Needhams believe - i.e. I realise there is a possibility that their children may be dead, but until there is proof of that - I will continue to hope that they will be found alive.
There you go Stephen - as you can see it's not difficult to answer questions. You should try it yourself sometime.
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It appears that no-one has seen any negative comments on either the findmadeleine# or the findben#. Reading the newspapers they are hinting that Ben's twitter account was blocked because Kerry Needham spoke about the difference between the money spent on Madeleine and on other missing children.
Tension has been building between the two missing persons campaigns in recent weeks, after Kerry Needham, whose son Ben vanished 24 years ago in Greece, questioned the huge sum of police money spent on the search for missing Madeleine McCann.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13806076.Mother_of_snatched_toddler_Ben_Needham_hits_out_at_the_McCann_s_decision_to_QUIT_Twitter_over_abuse/
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I take it you have never read the messages that go out to the sceptic forums - gleefully telling everyone the 'comments' section of a newspaper is open and to get over there ASAP to post their venom. Anyone who believes the 'comments' are an accurate measure of how the GBP think is deluding themselves big time imo.
Why shouldn't the comments section of the Mail for example, be a good cross section of public opinion ?
it isn't a forum, and intended for general readership.
I can guarantee if the comments were supportive of the mccanns, you would be gloating.
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The comments section in the DM is often moderated so is not a true reflection of the public view.
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I believe exactly the same as the McCanns and the Needhams believe - i.e. I realise there is a possibility that their children may be dead, but until there is proof of that - I will continue to hope that they will be found alive.
There you go Stephen - as you can see it's not difficult to answer questions. You should try it yourself sometime.
You can't resist a dig can you.
Again par for your posts.
People believe many things, it doesn't make them true or likely to happen.
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The comments section in the DM is often moderated so is not a true reflection of the public view.
The more extreme comments are certainly moderated, no doubt.
However, the recent article was not exactly supportive of the mccanns.
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It appears that no-one has seen any negative comments on either the findmadeleine# or the findben#. Reading the newspapers they are hinting that Ben's twitter account was blocked because Kerry Needham spoke about the difference between the money spent on Madeleine and on other missing children.
Tension has been building between the two missing persons campaigns in recent weeks, after Kerry Needham, whose son Ben vanished 24 years ago in Greece, questioned the huge sum of police money spent on the search for missing Madeleine McCann.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13806076.Mother_of_snatched_toddler_Ben_Needham_hits_out_at_the_McCann_s_decision_to_QUIT_Twitter_over_abuse/
The fact that Kerry has commented on the difference between the money spent on the two cases is very old news and something the McCanns - along with the rest us - will have been aware of for years. So to suggest that as a reason is a non starter IMO.
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The more extreme comments are certainly moderated, no doubt.
However, the recent article was not exactly supportive of the mccanns.
Quite. The overall public opinion of the McCanns (as expressed in the DM and other media) may be far worse than that published.
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Quite. The overall public opinion of the McCanns (as expressed in the DM and other media) may be far worse than that published.
Which is why they have Moderators.
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The fact that Kerry has commented on the difference between the money spent on the two cases is very old news and something the McCanns - along with the rest us - will have been aware of for years. So to suggest that as a reason is a non starter IMO.
Trolling of the McCanns has been going on for years too, allegedly, so why the sudden furore? Kerry Needham was interviewed by Closer, the magazine which also polled it's readers asking if the Met funding should continue.
"Of course I want Madeleine to be found safe and well, but why do the “McCanns get more help than the rest of the families with missing children? It’s unfair.”
http://www.closeronline.co.uk/2015/09/kerry-its-unfair-that-so-much-has-been-spent-on-maddie-but-not-on-other-missing-children
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Kerry: "It's unfair that so much has been spent on Maddie - but not on other missing children"
Emily Cope By Emily Cope Junior Feature Writer
Monday 14 September 2015
Last week it was revealed that the search for missing Madeleine McCann has cost taxpayers almost £11million - prompting a senior police union leader to call for the case to be closed.
For eight years now Gerry and Kate McCann have fought tirelessly to find Maddie, who disappeared from her family's holiday in Portugal's Praia da Luz in May 2007
Thirty-one police and support staff are still trying to find Maddie but in the four years since the beginning of the investigation ordered by PM David Cameron, no arrests have been made.
Although Maddie's is one of the most high-profile cases, each year 140,000 children go missing - and one per cent of cses remain unsolved after a year.
Here we ask Kerry Needham, whose son Ben disappeared 20 years in Kos, Greece, for her views
In July 1991 toddler Ben Needham vanished outside a farmhouse his grandparents were renovating on the Greek island of Kos, while his mum Kerry was at work.
His family combed the countryside for the 20-month-old but, tragically, he was never found.
Despite Kerry pleading with the Government for more help, less than £800,000 has been spent so far – just a fraction of the £11m used in the search for missing Maddie.
Now, 24 years on, Kerry Needham, 43, says she’ll never give up looking for Ben and thinks it’s unfair the McCann’s have received so much money, compared to other missing children investigations.
She adds: “My heart goes out to the McCann’s, having a child go missing is an indescribable pain. There is no closure and you miss them everyday.
“But I don’t understand why the McCann’s have received so much - £11m is unprecedented.
The McCann's have been searching for Maddie since 2007
The McCann's have been searching for Maddie since 2007
"It seems unfair when other missing children aren’t getting as much attention and money.
I’ve come up against so much resistance from the Home Office when I’ve asked for help finding Ben.
“I understand that Kate and Gerry will never want to give up searching for Maddie but there have been no arrests and there don't seem to be any leads.
"It seems the police have done all they can - which isn't the case with Ben.
"There is still hope for Ben. Even this year, police have uncovered information that has led to new lines of enquiry."
At the time of Ben's disappearance, Kerry says she received no help from the Government.
She recalls: “No one from the British Embassy came to meet me and no British police were flown to Kos.
"It wasn’t until 2011 that British police finally sent officers out. The South Yorkshire police did help when we returned home, but we had no funding from the Government. If there was a lead I’d fly out myself with money I’d raised through campaigning.
“When Maddie went missing, British police were flown out within two days.
“The government simply wouldn’t be able to afford to spend £11m in every missing child case, there should be a certain amount attributed to each case depending on how many leads there are.
“We’ve received less than £800,000 from the government, and most of that was given to us this February after a lengthy appeal to investigate leads previously ignored by Greek Police.
"We’ve done most of the work ourselves with the help of the public.
"Of course I want Madeleine to be found safe and well, but why do the “McCanns get more help than the rest of the families with missing children? It’s unfair.”
i agree with kerry a 100% 8@??)(
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Why shouldn't the comments section of the Mail for example, be a good cross section of public opinion ?
it isn't a forum, and intended for general readership.
I can guarantee if the comments were supportive of the mccanns, you would be gloating.
I never gloat Stephen. - so wrong again.
IMO a large number of the comments come from the same people on every occasion. i.e people who spend their time abusing the McCanns on their own forums - and who all swoop like vultures to continue their h.a.t.e campaign in the comments section of newspapers. If that's not the case - why do they feel the need to spread the word - urging their fellow sceptics to go and leave a comment?
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In the PR war being waged by the McCanns all that does matter is what the GBP can be made to believe.
Unfortunately they miscalculated the consequences this time.
The GBP is not as stupid as you, from your lofty perch, care to believe. Most of the most popular comments on the Mail site for example make no mention of the twitter troll spat but of the perceived unfairness between police efforts for Madeleine and Ben.
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I never gloat Stephen. - so wrong again.
IMO a large number of the comments come from the same people on every occasion. i.e people who spend their time abusing the McCanns on their own forums - and who all swoop like vultures to continue their h.a.t.e campaign in the comments section of newspapers. If that's not the case - why do they feel the need to spread the word - urging their fellow sceptics to go and leave a comment?
You really don't get it, do you.
Most people are tired of hearing about the mccanns doing the 'poor us' act.
What even makes you think many people even believe the mccanns story of abduction ?
All they can see, is a lot of money that could be spent elsewhere far more productively, going down the drain, with no results to show for it.
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You really don't get it, do you.
Most people are tired of hearing about the mccanns doing the 'poor us' act.
What even makes you think many people even believe the mccanns story of abduction ?
All they can see, is a lot of money that could be spent elsewhere far more productively, going down the drain, with no results to show for it.
Most people?? You will of course have evidence to support this claim... &%+((£
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You really don't get it, do you.
Most people are tired of hearing about the mccanns doing the 'poor us' act.
What even makes you think many people even believe the mccanns story of abduction ?
All they can see, is a lot of money that could be spent elsewhere far more productively, going down the drain, with no results to show for it.
doesnt uk hospitals have an NHS crisis etc? not belittling maddie but 11 millon pounds or whatever would go so far in a hospital/s
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Kerry: "It's unfair that so much has been spent on Maddie - but not on other missing children"
Emily Cope By Emily Cope Junior Feature Writer
Monday 14 September 2015
Last week it was revealed that the search for missing Madeleine McCann has cost taxpayers almost £11million - prompting a senior police union leader to call for the case to be closed.
For eight years now Gerry and Kate McCann have fought tirelessly to find Maddie, who disappeared from her family's holiday in Portugal's Praia da Luz in May 2007
Thirty-one police and support staff are still trying to find Maddie but in the four years since the beginning of the investigation ordered by PM David Cameron, no arrests have been made.
Although Maddie's is one of the most high-profile cases, each year 140,000 children go missing - and one per cent of cses remain unsolved after a year.
Here we ask Kerry Needham, whose son Ben disappeared 20 years in Kos, Greece, for her views
In July 1991 toddler Ben Needham vanished outside a farmhouse his grandparents were renovating on the Greek island of Kos, while his mum Kerry was at work.
His family combed the countryside for the 20-month-old but, tragically, he was never found.
Despite Kerry pleading with the Government for more help, less than £800,000 has been spent so far – just a fraction of the £11m used in the search for missing Maddie.
Now, 24 years on, Kerry Needham, 43, says she’ll never give up looking for Ben and thinks it’s unfair the McCann’s have received so much money, compared to other missing children investigations.
She adds: “My heart goes out to the McCann’s, having a child go missing is an indescribable pain. There is no closure and you miss them everyday.
“But I don’t understand why the McCann’s have received so much - £11m is unprecedented.
The McCann's have been searching for Maddie since 2007
The McCann's have been searching for Maddie since 2007
"It seems unfair when other missing children aren’t getting as much attention and money.
I’ve come up against so much resistance from the Home Office when I’ve asked for help finding Ben.
“I understand that Kate and Gerry will never want to give up searching for Maddie but there have been no arrests and there don't seem to be any leads.
"It seems the police have done all they can - which isn't the case with Ben.
"There is still hope for Ben. Even this year, police have uncovered information that has led to new lines of enquiry."
At the time of Ben's disappearance, Kerry says she received no help from the Government.
She recalls: “No one from the British Embassy came to meet me and no British police were flown to Kos.
"It wasn’t until 2011 that British police finally sent officers out. The South Yorkshire police did help when we returned home, but we had no funding from the Government. If there was a lead I’d fly out myself with money I’d raised through campaigning.
“When Maddie went missing, British police were flown out within two days.
“The government simply wouldn’t be able to afford to spend £11m in every missing child case, there should be a certain amount attributed to each case depending on how many leads there are.
“We’ve received less than £800,000 from the government, and most of that was given to us this February after a lengthy appeal to investigate leads previously ignored by Greek Police.
"We’ve done most of the work ourselves with the help of the public.
"Of course I want Madeleine to be found safe and well, but why do the “McCanns get more help than the rest of the families with missing children? It’s unfair.”
i agree with kerry a 100% 8@??)(
So do I - she blames the authorities for their lack of action/support both at the time and since Ben's disappearance. She does not blame the McCanns - who she sympathises with completely. She doesn't begrudge them a penny, she just wants the same for her own case - and who could blame her for that.
Ben's case is now being looked at again by our police - and IMO there should be no ceiling on the amount of money required to fully investigate his case. I have no doubt that the McCanns feel the same.
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Most people?? You will of course have evidence to support this claim... &%+((£
A fair sample (with some posts moderated) ?
Mail comments section. 8((()*/
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So do I - she blames the authorities for their lack of action/support both at the time and since Ben's disappearance. She does not blame the McCanns - who she sympathises with completely. She doesn't begrudge them a penny, she just wants the same for her own case - and who could blame her for that.
Ben's case is now being looked at again by our police - and IMO there should be no ceiling on the amount of money required to fully investigate his case. I have no doubt that the McCanns feel the same.
OK Benice.
How many missing people are there in the UK ?
Now multiply that number by £11,000,000 and see what you get. 8(0(*
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You really don't get it, do you.
Most people are tired of hearing about the mccanns doing the 'poor us' act.
What even makes you think many people even believe the mccanns story of abduction ?
All they can see, is a lot of money that could be spent elsewhere far more productively, going down the drain, with no results to show for it.
You talk as if they are making public appearances every day. We've hardly heard a peep out of them for months. The comments they have made have been about the present enquiry - saying they are pleased and grateful for SY's efforts.
Where is your evidence of a 'poor me' act and also your evidence that the GBP are tired of it?
The floor is yours - so let's hear it.
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You talk as if they are making public appearances every day. We've hardly heard a peep out of them for months. The comments they have made have been about the present enquiry - saying they are pleased and grateful for SY's efforts.
Where is your evidence of a 'poor me' act and also your evidence that the GBP are tired of it?
The floor is yours - so let's hear it.
Read the comments sections. Simple.
Then tell me about the overwhelming support for the mccanns.
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OK Benice.
How many missing people are there in the UK ?
Now multiply that number by £11,000,000 and see what you get. 8(0(*
What has that got to do with my post? I take it you don't agree that whatever amount of cash it takes to investigate Ben's case should be made available - as required.
I'm sure the vast amount of experience/expertise etc etc gained by SY re dealing with foreign police forces as in the McCann case - which didn't exist beforehand - would now be invaluable to an investigation into Ben's abduction. As would the technological advances which now exist - but did not when Ben disappeared.
I fully support Kerry Needham in wanting Ben's case to be given the same treatment as Madeleine's case - no matter what it costs.
In the scheme of things £12m doesn't even qualify as a teeny weeny drop in the ocean IMO.
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A fair sample (with some posts moderated) ?
Mail comments section. 8((()*/
LOL. You do understand that people with a gripe or complaint or who want a moan are far more likely to leave comments on a newspaper website than those who don't, don't you? The Mail comments are representative of those people, not the GBP generally.
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LOL. You do understand that people with a gripe or complaint or who want a moan are far more likely to leave comments on a newspaper website than those who don't, don't you? The Mail comments are representative of those people, not the GBP generally.
That's your opinion, and let's face it hardly surprising.
Next.
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Read the comments sections. Simple.
Then tell me about the overwhelming support for the mccanns.
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Well there are currently 1153 messages of support on the OFM's latest post. These are members of the public aren't they? So what does that prove? Absolutely FA.
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A fair sample (with some posts moderated) ?
Mail comments section. 8((()*/
You really are so childish Stephen, that isn't MOST people it's some of the people commenting on the Daily Mail, most of them probably from the facebook forums set up to abuse the McCann family.
Did you miss the 12,000 comments from McCann supporters when the webmaster of OFM made her first statement?
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Well there are currently 1153 messages of support on the OFM's latest post. These are members of the public aren't they? So what does that prove? Absolutely FA.
Exactly Alfred, Stephen never misses a chance to report on the comments of the newspapers, dear oh dear.
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So do I - she blames the authorities for their lack of action/support both at the time and since Ben's disappearance. She does not blame the McCanns - who she sympathises with completely. She doesn't begrudge them a penny, she just wants the same for her own case - and who could blame her for that.
Ben's case is now being looked at again by our police - and IMO there should be no ceiling on the amount of money required to fully investigate his case. I have no doubt that the McCanns feel the same.
After all these years our police are investigating and have interviewed the gypsy family the Needhams identified and named to the Greek police many, many years ago.
A few years ago our police investigated and excavated areas near where Ben had been playing; that was repeated.
The police follow those leads it is possible for them to follow ... so in that respect, there remains far more leads available to them to be followed in Madeleine McCann's case ... and to investigate them fully, costs money.
Sandy Davidson who vanished when a toddler in 1976 has never been found. Everything possible was checked at the time ... to going to Ireland to check out possible leads there. Sandy's case was never closed but could only be worked while there was information to work it.
A man who was a child at the time contacted police with fresh information in 2015 which they have taken on board and hopefully Sandy's family might get some closure either way from that.
His sister, Donna, is associated with the charity Missing People. Like the relatives of many other missing people it seems helping others as a result of their own experience seems to bring a measure of comfort.
Simply, what I am saying is that the police will follow what evidence there is to be followed in an attempt to resolve a case.
There was nothing for the police to follow until thirty years after Sandy's disappearance when they started looking at the fresh information they had been given.
They have checked out evidence twenty four years after the event in Ben's case. One wonders why the Greek police hadn't bothered.
They are actively involved in the investigation of the information available to them about Madeleine and checking that out to its conclusion. That people object to that in some way is a mystery, but it takes all sorts, and using the case of one missing child as a weapon against another is in my opinion an exhibition of decidedly odd behaviour.
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That's your opinion, and let's face it hardly surprising.
Next.
It's not just my opinion, it's a generally held view - what's not surprising is that you refuse to accept it.
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Read the comments sections. Simple.
Then tell me about the overwhelming support for the mccanns.
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It's obvious from your deflective reply that you cannot supply the evidence I asked you for - re a 'Pity me' act which according to you is so excessive and ongoing that people are sick of it. No surprises there then.
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You really are so childish Stephen, that isn't MOST people it's some of the people commenting on the Daily Mail, most of them probably from the facebook forums set up to abuse the McCann family.
Did you miss the 12,000 comments from McCann supporters when the webmaster of OFM made her first statement?
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Well the classic instruction book repsonse from a mccann supporter.
I do here facebook will soon be incorporating 'dislikes' on comments.
By the way, 12,000 'likes' represents approx., 0.0178% of the population of the UK.
Nice.
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It's not just my opinion, it's a generally held view - what's not surprising is that you refuse to accept it.
Your statement has to be viewed in perspective.
........and what you post on here.
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It's obvious from your deflective reply that you cannot supply the evidence I asked you for - re a 'Pity me' act which according to you is so excessive and ongoing that people are sick of it. No surprises there then.
You fall into the category it seems of not seeing the woods because of the trees.
Hardly surprising.
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Exactly Alfred, Stephen never misses a chance to report on the comments of the newspapers, dear oh dear.
I don't need to read any comment page associated with any article at all about Madeleine McCann.
I have read them all time after time before.
That they appear to count among their successes the closure of what had the potential to be a useful twitter account disseminating information about current cases as well as fulfilling their prime objective and the stirring up of dissent to include alleged disharmony between the families of a missing child and a missing person portrays them as sad - sad - sad.
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Some newspaper reports this week suggested there was a dispute between the Find Madeleine Campaign and the family of Ben Needham, who is believed to have been abducted on the Greek island of Kos in 1991.
McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "Kate and Gerry McCann have always supported the campaign to find Ben Needham, indeed they have promoted it on their Find Madeleine Campaign social media platforms.
"However, it is a great pity that due to continued, ill-and abusive comments by some social media users, the decision has been taken to discontinue the Find Madeleine Twitter account.
"Kate and Gerry continue to wish Ben's mother, Kerry, all the best and they hope that she will one day be reunited with Ben, just as they, similarly, continue to hope that they will be reunited with Madeleine."
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Madeleine-McCann-Parents-shut-Twitter-campaign/story-27937387-detail/story.html#ixzz3ns9EL8IS
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Well the classic instruction book repsonse from a mccann supporter.
I do here facebook will soon be incorporating 'dislikes' on comments.
By the way, 12,000 'likes' represents approx., 0.0178% of the population of the UK.
Nice.
Work out the percentage for the Daily Mail comments Stephen.
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OK Benice.
How many missing people are there in the UK ?
Now multiply that number by £11,000,000 and see what you get. 8(0(*
Lost my son in the supermarket on Friday
Govt didn't give me a penny
Diabolical
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Work out the percentage for the Daily Mail comments Stephen.
Well, why don't you do that as well ?
Rather than ask me to do all the work for you.
Would you like the relative percentages of support for the mccanns as well, i.e. the YES and NO's as well ?
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Well the classic instruction book repsonse from a mccann supporter.
I do here facebook will soon be incorporating 'dislikes' on comments.
By the way, 12,000 'likes' represents approx., 0.0178% of the population of the UK.
Nice.
If you want to use that as an 'representational ' argument - have you worked out - percentage-wise - the no. of people in the UK population who have donated to the Amaral fund? If your calculations are correct - I think you will find it is tiny.
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If you want to use that as an 'representational ' argument - have you worked out - percentage-wise - the no. of people in the UK population who have donated to the Amaral fund? If your calculations are correct - I think you will find it is tiny.
What would be interesting is seeing the number of 'dislikes' on the facebook comments.
Wouldn't you agree ?
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Well the classic instruction book repsonse from a mccann supporter.
I do here facebook will soon be incorporating 'dislikes' on comments.
By the way, 12,000 'likes' represents approx., 0.0178% of the population of the UK.
Nice.
What percentage of the population do the DM comments represent then? Do tell.
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Well, why don't you do that as well ?
Rather than ask me to do all the work for you.
Would you like the relative percentages of support for the mccanns as well, i.e. the YES and NO's as well ?
If you're offering Stephen yes please. ?{)(**
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What percentage of the population do the DM comments represent then? Do tell.
Here we go around the mulberry bush. *&*%£
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If you're offering Stephen yes please. ?{)(**
You can do it as well.
I'm sure you're up to the task.
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What would be interesting is seeing the number of 'dislikes' on the facebook comments.
Wouldn't you agree ?
Interesting? people moaning about how much the investigation costing, going over the 'they left them alone' the only interesting ones on there are the ones who seem to know about the cases and sympathise with both parents.
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Well, why don't you do that as well ?
Rather than ask me to do all the work for you.
Would you like the relative percentages of support for the mccanns as well, i.e. the YES and NO's as well ?
The comments in the mail are not an accurate reflection of the view of the GBP and makes your claim to understand statistics ring very hollow
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You can do it as well.
I'm sure you're up to the task.
You are the one going on about how many negative comments there are on the Daily Mail comments page Stephen not me.
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Here we go around the mulberry bush. *&*%£
You're keen on figures - process this:
OFM Facebook page has 616,508 followers
Controversy, the largest Anti FB page has 23,976 followers
What conclusions can we draw from this?
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You're keen on figures - process this:
OFM Facebook page has 616,508 followers
Controversy, the largest Anti FB page has 23,976 followers
What conclusions can we draw from this?
Are those figures worldwide presumably ?
and represent a drop in the ocean of humanity.
Now a fair test would the number of 'likes' and 'dislikes'. don't you agree ?
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You are the one going on about how many negative comments there are on the Daily Mail comments page Stephen not me.
You and others are the ones living the fantasy that the mccanns have overwhelming support.
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Are those figures worldwide presumably ?
and represent a drop in the ocean of humanity.
Now a fair test would the number of 'likes' and 'dislikes'. don't you agree ?
Both figures are worldwide, one drop is noticeably tinier than the other however. How do you account for this?
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Are those figures worldwide presumably ?
and represent a drop in the ocean of humanity.
Now a fair test would the number of 'likes' and 'dislikes'. don't you agree ?
No
A fair test would be a proper survey with a correctly selected sample to represent all age ranges.... Social classes... Etc
No one could be bothered
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What percentage of the population do the DM comments represent then? Do tell.
I know that a lot of newspapers had to disallow 'comments' pages whenever they were printing anything relating to Madeleine McCann because of the same toxic comments which forced the closure of Madeleine's twitter account.
Was that the case for the Daily Mail?
It raises the question for me of why it may be that red tops are allowing comments ... maybe someone collecting IP addresses with an eye to the present and the future?
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The 'people that matter' @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Another cliche.
These people have found diddly squat.
As you're not one of the people who matter, then you are in no position to know what is going on behind the scenes, nor do your views interest those who to do matter, but don't let that stop you spouting away ineffectually, as is your wont.
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The 'people that matter' @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Another cliche.
These people have found diddly squat.
If you have inside knowledge which allows you to make that statement why not share? Unless it is your usual deflection from the topic of the thread.
That people still see it as a terrific wheeze to post toxic comment on one site knowing it would subsequently appear on an account supporting Madeleine McCann and others at one time would have had me shaking my head in disbelief that any adult would indulge in such puerile and moronic behaviour.
What is the purpose behind it all? Cui bono ... somebody must ... else why take such pleasure in actions for which they should really be hanging their heads in shame.
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As you're not one of the people who matter, then you are in no position to know what is going on behind the scenes, nor do your views interest those who to do matter, but don't let that stop you spouting away ineffectually, as is your wont.
Cliche after cliche, after cliche.
However, Madeleine hasn't been found and the cause of her disappearance remains unknown.
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Can you provide evidence that it isn't a possibility ?
I don't disagree that there are many, many members of the public, mostly mothers and mostly those who know nothing about the case, who feel great sympathy for the McCanns. The number who have a specific interest in the case and still support the McCanns are few as you can see by browsing their Facebook or forum groups.
Re: the sentence in bold, now don't be naughty - you know full well I can't. We know that anything's possible, but as it's YOU making the accusation, it's up to you to provide the evidence that it's happening. Over to you.
Are you of the opinion that only ignorant mothers support the McCanns, and that if only you could 'educate' them then they'd all be leaving the OFM in droves? That's the impression I'm getting from your post above.
Does the support of ignorant mothers count for nothing in your view? The fact that there aren't thousands of McCann supporters all congregated in one place trying to solve the case or campaigning on their behalf suggests that most McCann support comes from normal people with their own lives to be getting on with. And yes, I know what you're going to say....I'm not normal and I haven't got a life. @)(++(*
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'puerile and moronic behaviour.'
For that , look at the mccann supporter sites.
You continually make assertions which you are unable to substantiate. Tiresome in the extreme.
There is no doubt that Madeleine McCann's twitter account had to be closed because of toxic comment trojan horsed from a friendly account into hers.
It takes a special kind of deviousness to come up with that one ... it takes a particular type to action it.
Madeleine's account was set up to publicise her and other missing children ... common decency should have made it off limits.
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You're keen on figures - process this:
OFM Facebook page has 616,508 followers
Controversy, the largest Anti FB page has 23,976 followers
What conclusions can we draw from this?
There are ways to multiply followers? I think they gained a lot in 2011;
We are posting this again because our post from yesterday is further down in the comments. Welcome to those who came from unofficial pages. Because Madeleine is a child, Facebook made the suggestion to us to combine unofficial pages with our official page. This is to protect Madeleine from online abuse and her image being used without her parents permission. We have NOT harvested Email addresses nor gone on to individual pages and added people. There is no way for us to actually do that. Facebook did the merge of pages at our request. If you do not want to be a part of this page, please unlike the page (see image). We don't need to hear how you don't want to be a part of a lovely group of people who do care about getting Madeleine home. A huge thank you to those that continue to support us in our search for Madeleine. ~FM Webmaster
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/FB2.htm
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Re: the sentence in bold, now don't be naughty - you know full well I can't. We know that anything's possible, but as it's YOU making the accusation, it's up to you to provide the evidence that it's happening. Over to you.
Are you of the opinion that only ignorant mothers support the McCanns, and that if only you could 'educate' them then they'd all be leaving the OFM in droves? That's the impression I'm getting from your post above.
Does the support of ignorant mothers count for nothing in your view? The fact that there aren't thousands of McCann supporters all congregated in one place trying to solve the case or campaigning on their behalf suggests that most McCann support comes from normal people with their own lives to be getting on with. And yes, I know what you're going to say....I'm not normal and I haven't got a life. @)(++(*
It was you who used the word ignorant Alfie. I merely pointed out that many of the 'likes' and comments obviously come from individuals who know little about the case beyond that a child is missing.
And thank you for admitting that the sharp rise in 'likes' could be as a result of their block purchase by the webmaster.
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A fair sample (with some posts moderated) ?
Mail comments section. 8((()*/
I haven't had a McCann Comment posted yet, on The Mail. And No, I haven't ever been insulting.
Mostly I don't bother anymore.
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I haven't had a McCann Comment posted yet, on The Mail. And No, I haven't ever been insulting.
Mostly I don't bother anymore.
Neither have I Eleanor, on that or any other matter.
and none were insulting or had abusive language.
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Another perspective.
http://portugalresident.com/online-intrigue-as-mccanns-close-twitter-page-and-amaral%E2%80%99s-fund-%E2%80%98goes-missing%E2%80%99
and
http://pjga.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/gofundme-page-donations.html
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Both sides watched it with interest.
Yes, and? What has that got to do with my post which attempted to show how a large increase in likes of the OFM page following the programme was not hugely suspicious, as Faithlilly would have us believe?
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Interesting that not one of those calls has led to the apprehension or arrest of anyone.
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Interesting that not one of those calls has led to the apprehension or arrest of anyone.
Yet.
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Yet.
My statement stands. The 'yet' is unnecessary
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My statement stands. The 'yet' is unnecessary
You're assuming that nothing was achieved by the Crimewatch appeal. You imagine that members of Op Grange are sitting around scratching their heads and playing wastepaper bin basketball all day long. The reality is you simply don't know what leads were uncovered, nor what progress has been made. Of course, no arrests or charges - yet - but they may be three-quarters, on nine-tenths of the way there. Or they may not. We just don't know.
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You're assuming that nothing was achieved by the Crimewatch appeal. You imagine that members of Op Grange are sitting around scratching their heads and playing wastepaper bin basketball all day long. The reality is you simply don't know what leads were uncovered, nor what progress has been made. Of course, no arrests or charges - yet - but they may be three-quarters, on nine-tenths of the way there. Or they may not. We just don't know.
Op Grange has been an unmitigated failure Alfie, all the Met has managed to do is to antagonise the Portuguese locals and business owners never mind cause acute embarrassment to several individuals who were unfortunate enough to have used their mobile phones the night Maddie disappeared.
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Op Grange has been an unmitigated failure Alfie, all the Met has managed to do is to antagonise the Portuguese locals and business owners never mind cause acute embarrassment to several individuals who were unfortunate enough to have used their mobile phones the night Maddie disappeared.
Angelo, what insider knowledge are you (repeatedly) drawing on to make these statements? Do you have relatives in the investigation, or are you actually a member or the team? If not, how can you possibly know for a fact that what you have just written is true? Dos Op Grange update you personally on a regular basis?
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Angelo, what insider knowledge are you (repeatedly) drawing on to make these statements? Do you have relatives in the investigation, or are you actually a member or the team? If not, how can you possibly know for a fact that what you have just written is true? Dos Op Grange update you personally on a regular basis?
My contacts never let me down Alfie.
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My contacts never let me down Alfie.
Natasha Donn, probably .....
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My contacts never let me down Alfie.
So let me get this straight: you are leaking information about what is going regarding Operation Grange to this forum, correct?
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So let me get this straight: you are leaking information about what is going regarding Operation Grange to this forum, correct?
I've told you what's not happening. The Portuguese police won't allow any more people to be made scape goats until some real hard evidence of criminal conduct has been found. Wouldn't hold my breath though.
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Op Grange has been an unmitigated failure Alfie, all the Met has managed to do is to antagonise the Portuguese locals and business owners never mind cause acute embarrassment to several individuals who were unfortunate enough to have used their mobile phones the night Maddie disappeared.
From the little we do know, Angelo, there appears to have been a rapprochement between the Portuguese and British cops, which can only bode well for any future investigations that may become necessary either here or in Portugal.
If people feel embarrassment because they have inadvertently become part of an ongoing police investigation ... how do you suggest it can be avoided ... short of ignoring evidence which may lead to solving the case?
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I've told you what's not happening. The Portuguese police won't allow any more people to be made scape goats until some real hard evidence of criminal conduct has been found. Wouldn't hold my breath though.
So are you leaking on behalf of the Portuguese police then?
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From the little we do know, Angelo, there appears to have been a rapprochement between the Portuguese and British cops, which can only bode well for any future investigations that may become necessary either here or in Portugal.
If people feel embarrassment because they have inadvertently become part of an ongoing police investigation ... how do you suggest it can be avoided ... short of ignoring evidence which may lead to solving the case?
The 'shake it until something falls out' approach has failed miserably. If the Met thought someone would crack and confess then they were sorely mistaken. Its too late now anyway, had the parents cooperated with the police back in 2007 they might just have made some headway. Kate McCann was warned at the time that her attitude was detrimental to the investigation so it's a bit of a cheek to try and blame anyone else now.
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The 'shake it until something falls out' approach has failed miserably. If the Met thought someone would crack and confess then they were sorely mistaken. Its too late now anyway, had the parents cooperated with the police back in 2007 they might just have made some headway. Kate McCann was warned at the time that her attitude was detrimental to the investigation so it's a bit of a cheek to try and blame anyone else now.
The investigation to which you refer was not concerned with investigating Madeleine McCann's case.
The only investigation going on at that time was to prove her mother's culpability. Why on earth would any sane person co-operate in such an aberration?
Wham Bam! and another case is successfully off the books ... and had it been so, we would probably have a few more inexplicable child disappearances in the area and a special wing in prison reserved for their mothers.
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The investigation to which you refer was not concerned with investigating Madeleine McCann's case.
The only investigation going on at that time was to prove her mother's culpability. Why on earth would any sane person co-operate in such an aberration?
Wham Bam! and another case is successfully off the books ... and had it been so, we would probably have a few more inexplicable child disappearances in the area and a special wing in prison reserved for their mothers.
Robert Murat, you would think was the perfect pasty, so why not frame him ?
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How naïve you are Faithlilly!
http://www.buycheapfollowersfast.com/twitter/
Ssshhhh don't tell the webmaster Alfie ( Oops too late. That dummy's already been well and truly thrown out of the pram !! )
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Obviously their budget didn't stretch to twitter then.... @)(++(*
The reason the McCanns exited twitter was because they couldn't control it and make it a site with only supporters posting on it.
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The investigation to which you refer was not concerned with investigating Madeleine McCann's case.
The only investigation going on at that time was to prove her mother's culpability. Why on earth would any sane person co-operate in such an aberration?
Wham Bam! and another case is successfully off the books ... and had it been so, we would probably have a few more inexplicable child disappearances in the area and a special wing in prison reserved for their mothers.
Without going of topic too much. Every investigator knows that when a kid disappears in suspicious circumstances it is the family who attract attention in the first instance. The only family Madeleine had around her were her siblings and parents. The PJ were right to suspect the latter and go through the motions. The McCanns had other ideas though and that was their failing.
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The reason the McCanns exited twitter was because they couldn't control it and make it a site with only supporters posting on it.
Why would anyone wish to post anything other than support on a site dedicated to a missing child?
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The reason the McCanns exited twitter was because they couldn't control it and make it a site with only supporters posting on it.
You obviously don't understand twitter very well.
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Why would anyone wish to post anything other than support on a site dedicated to a missing child?
Presumably because they wish to leave the parents in no doubt of what people think of them.
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You obviously don't understand twitter very well.
Yes Alfie if you say so.. @)(++(*
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The OFM Twitter account had total control over what it posted to its followers. None of its detractors had any control over what it tweeted or to whom. Additionally, as we know the OFM twitter account could block any abuser or undesirable so that it did not have to read all the crap others were tweeting about. However poor woman probably couldn't block out the crap coming her way fast enough and felt that enough was enough. No one enjoys being abused relentlessly by dozens of anonymous trolls and ......... on a daily basis, and that's the main difference between twitter and facebook - there are fewer anonymous accounts on the latter, so generally less abuse (though it still exists of course).
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Presumably because they wish to leave the parents in no doubt of what people think of them.
Then using a vehicle set up to benefit a missing child and other missing children to vent their spleen is a repulsive action and rather shows them up for exactly what they are.
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Why would anyone wish to post anything other than support on a site dedicated to a missing child?
Why would a well-known McCann supporter want to say on twitter that Ben Needham, being in his twenties, is old enough to 'find himself'?
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Then using a vehicle set up to benefit a missing child and other missing children to vent their spleen is a repulsive action and rather shows them up for exactly what they are.
I've never been clear how Madeleine, or anyone else has benefited from a twitter account.
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The reason the McCanns exited twitter was because they couldn't control it and make it a site with only supporters posting on it.
Another mccann tantrum then
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The OFM Twitter account had total control over what it posted to its followers. None of its detractors had any control over what it tweeted or to whom. Additionally, as we know the OFM twitter account could block any abuser or undesirable so that it did not have to read all the crap others were tweeting about. However poor woman probably couldn't block out the crap coming her way fast enough and felt that enough was enough. No one enjoys being abused relentlessly by dozens of anonymous trolls and ......... on a daily basis, and that's the main difference between twitter and facebook - there are fewer anonymous accounts on the latter, so generally less abuse (though it still exists of course).
Why would any civilised human being think that posting comments so vile they often reduced the recipient to tears ... day in ... day out ... is appropriate behaviour?
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Of course these posts weren't aimed at the webmaster, personally, were they?
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Why would any civilised human being think that posting comments so vile they often reduced the recipient to tears ... day in ... day out ... is appropriate behaviour?
Some of your fellow mccann supporters need to follow that adage.
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I've never been clear how Madeleine, or anyone else has benefited from a twitter account.
Then I suggest you read back on this thread and read Misty's post on the subject. In fact I'll save you the bother it deserves to be bumped.
Quote from: misty on Today at 12:28:51 AM
To re-enforce the point you have just made, further demonstrating the damage the trolls have done resulting in the closure of one outlet synonymous with missing children, namely Madeleine McCann :-
http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/when-missing-kids-go-viral-why-everyones-sharing-lost-children-now/story-fnjwnhzf-1227558043736
THE idea of a “viral” missing child sounds wrong, like people rubbernecking from their cars for a better view of an accident.
While it’s uncomfortable evidence of our base instincts, this fascination with real-life horror stories could be key to solving some of the world’s most perplexing disappearances.
Despite serious concerns over false leads and trolling, these rapidly expanding networks have already been responsible for finding children who might otherwise have been lost forever.
The numbers are persuasive. Missing toddler William Tyrrell’s Facebook page has more than 57,000 likes, with users as far afield as the US and the Netherlands sharing his story.
A typical appeal on the Australian Missing and Endangered Children Facebook page about Clive Hart, a 12-year-old who went missing in Perth two weeks ago, has had more than 800 shares across the country. Commenters on the page often add their postcode to illustrate how far the post has been shared. “Shared Gladstone 4680”, comments a Queensland woman on Clive’s post. “Shared 2680”, adds a user from Griffith, NSW.
It’s a global phenomenon. Missing Children Argentina has almost 150,000 likes. A post about Sofia Herrera, a child who vanished seven years ago, reads: “It takes more inquisitive glances, more restless attitudes, more pro-activeness, more sensitivity, more interest, more activity in the search. Sofia needs us.” It has almost 7000 shares.
“Thanks for sharing your image,” reads another post. “Thanks for lending us your eyes.”
Missing Children South Africa has almost 60,000 likes, while America’s National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has 291,631 likes, with a post about missing Ohio two-year-old Rainn Peterson gaining almost 19,000 shares (she has since been found).
It’s hard to quantify how many of these posts have led to a child being located, since witnesses are encouraged to directly contact the police, rather than speculate online. But there are definite examples.
In January, Carl Koppelman solved the cold case of 16-year-old Tammy Jo Alexander, who went missing in the 1970s, when a childhood friend shared a photo. He recognised Tammy Jo from a photo on the WebSleuths site of an unidentified US teenager found shot to death in a cornfield in 1979. Could a similar moment help discover the identity of South Australia’s suitcase girl?
Last June, a cashier at a truck stop in Louisiana was approached by a middle-aged man and a teenager she recognised from an online video, local TV station 10 News reported. Fawn Dominque sent the pair to another cashier while she checked the footage, and then rang the police. She had found Ashley Lyon from Florida and her abductor, 41-year-old Steven Myers.
Dominque had recognised them from one of the more controversial pages about missing kids — that of former prosecutor Nancy Grace, a TV personality on CNN’s “must-see, must-share” channel HLN.
Grace has almost two million likes, and one recent post about an abandoned baby gained 50,000 shares.
The larger-than-life, divisive star operates at the intersection between real-life crime and entertainment. Her team use Crowdtangle, a tool that helps companies find and track content that’s performing strongly across the social web, Buzzfeed reported this week. Producers filter for grisly crime, helping them identify the missing children, abductions, rapes and murders that are triggering the highest sharing rates among Facebook users.
It’s disconcerting that cases might get extra attention depending on how attractive a child is or how relatable the crime, but it’s something that’s been happening in the media for decades.
The parents of missing three-year-old Madeleine McCann endured years of unproven allegations against them, which led to an inquiry into press standards in the UK. With social media stoking the fire, some campaigns to track down a missing child can get out of hand, and unsubstantiated rumours built up into stories with the power to ruin lives.
Amateur online detectives have caused all sorts of distress to victims’ families and friends and innocent suspects in murder cases.
Popular podcast Serial hit the headlines when it provoked a frenzy of speculation about a 1999 high school murder, upsetting and angering the victim’s family.
Back in 1996, the case of murdered six-year-old JonBenet Ramsey led to what her parents John and Patsy called “the first cyberspace lynching”, a new form of witch-hunting and vigil[ censored word]m that tore into almost everyone connected to the case, and contributed to the shutdown of the Justice Watch website.
A posting of William Tyrrell’s story to the “Unresolved Mysteries” section of social network Reddit, which has 114,446 readers, recently attracted 200-plus comments, including uncorroborated accusations against family members and government organisations. Another post about the case on Facebook reads: “I was up in applehill today and seen a boy they also called william that looked just like your some and when I saw them I had gotten a sick feeling about it” (sic).
But despite the upsetting effect of these comments, even the slim chance that a child could be found keeps families determined to use the connected world of social media. Relatives often run Facebook pages themselves, or post regular public appeals years after the police have had to move on. When Suzie Ratcliffe posted on Facebook in 2012 about her sister Joanne, who went missing at Adelaide Oval in 1973, a woman came forward with potential new clues.
It’s a world of pain, shattered hopes and potential exploitation of tragedy for personal and commercial gain. Nevertheless, most parents with a lost child would pray for their baby to go viral.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6663.msg279025#msg279025
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As you don't really understand Facebook it seems a bit pointless having this discussion with you. Nevertheless, the notion that everyone on FB is buying likes to boost their page is simply nonsense. It's easy to spot those pages that have resorted to it (and IMO they are few and far between these days). These are pages with huge amounts of likes but very little actual interaction from other users, such as comments under posts, shares, etc. This does not apply to OFM which has a very active online community with thousands of comments and shares after every post. Companies that do buy likes to make their product seem more popular than their competitors run the risk of losing all credibility when it becomes apparent (which it will) that their likes are not genuine. I would never dream of buying likes for my business, and I can't see any reason why the McCanns would feel the need to boost their number artificially from a very healthy 160k to 600,000 - what purpose would it serve anyway? "My missing child is more popular than your missing child?" Puh-lease.
"I can't see" is hardly a definitive statement now is it? It is merely your opinion.
As for what you do with your business how is that relevant here?
All I have said is "if it can be done it is best to assume it has been done in the absence of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary". You disagree with that as a global principle; fair enough.
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"I can't see" is hardly a definitive statement now is it? It is merely your opinion.
As for what you do with your business how is that relevant here?
All I have said is "if it can be done it is best to assume it has been done in the absence of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary". You disagree with that as a global principle; fair enough.
How bizarre is your logic. So - if it is possible to abduct a sleeping child from a bedroom in which others are asleep then it's best to assume it has been done, in the absence of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. Glad that's been sorted then!
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Then I suggest you read back on this thread and read Misty's post on the subject. In fact I'll save you the bother it deserves to be bumped.
Quote from: misty on Today at 12:28:51 AM
To re-enforce the point you have just made, further demonstrating the damage the trolls have done resulting in the closure of one outlet synonymous with missing children, namely Madeleine McCann :-
http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/when-missing-kids-go-viral-why-everyones-sharing-lost-children-now/story-fnjwnhzf-1227558043736
THE idea of a “viral” missing child sounds wrong, like people rubbernecking from their cars for a better view of an accident.
While it’s uncomfortable evidence of our base instincts, this fascination with real-life horror stories could be key to solving some of the world’s most perplexing disappearances.
Despite serious concerns over false leads and trolling, these rapidly expanding networks have already been responsible for finding children who might otherwise have been lost forever.
The numbers are persuasive. Missing toddler William Tyrrell’s Facebook page has more than 57,000 likes, with users as far afield as the US and the Netherlands sharing his story.
A typical appeal on the Australian Missing and Endangered Children Facebook page about Clive Hart, a 12-year-old who went missing in Perth two weeks ago, has had more than 800 shares across the country. Commenters on the page often add their postcode to illustrate how far the post has been shared. “Shared Gladstone 4680”, comments a Queensland woman on Clive’s post. “Shared 2680”, adds a user from Griffith, NSW.
It’s a global phenomenon. Missing Children Argentina has almost 150,000 likes. A post about Sofia Herrera, a child who vanished seven years ago, reads: “It takes more inquisitive glances, more restless attitudes, more pro-activeness, more sensitivity, more interest, more activity in the search. Sofia needs us.” It has almost 7000 shares.
“Thanks for sharing your image,” reads another post. “Thanks for lending us your eyes.”
Missing Children South Africa has almost 60,000 likes, while America’s National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has 291,631 likes, with a post about missing Ohio two-year-old Rainn Peterson gaining almost 19,000 shares (she has since been found).
It’s hard to quantify how many of these posts have led to a child being located, since witnesses are encouraged to directly contact the police, rather than speculate online. But there are definite examples.
In January, Carl Koppelman solved the cold case of 16-year-old Tammy Jo Alexander, who went missing in the 1970s, when a childhood friend shared a photo. He recognised Tammy Jo from a photo on the WebSleuths site of an unidentified US teenager found shot to death in a cornfield in 1979. Could a similar moment help discover the identity of South Australia’s suitcase girl?
Last June, a cashier at a truck stop in Louisiana was approached by a middle-aged man and a teenager she recognised from an online video, local TV station 10 News reported. Fawn Dominque sent the pair to another cashier while she checked the footage, and then rang the police. She had found Ashley Lyon from Florida and her abductor, 41-year-old Steven Myers.
Dominque had recognised them from one of the more controversial pages about missing kids — that of former prosecutor Nancy Grace, a TV personality on CNN’s “must-see, must-share” channel HLN.
Grace has almost two million likes, and one recent post about an abandoned baby gained 50,000 shares.
The larger-than-life, divisive star operates at the intersection between real-life crime and entertainment. Her team use Crowdtangle, a tool that helps companies find and track content that’s performing strongly across the social web, Buzzfeed reported this week. Producers filter for grisly crime, helping them identify the missing children, abductions, rapes and murders that are triggering the highest sharing rates among Facebook users.
It’s disconcerting that cases might get extra attention depending on how attractive a child is or how relatable the crime, but it’s something that’s been happening in the media for decades.
The parents of missing three-year-old Madeleine McCann endured years of unproven allegations against them, which led to an inquiry into press standards in the UK. With social media stoking the fire, some campaigns to track down a missing child can get out of hand, and unsubstantiated rumours built up into stories with the power to ruin lives.
Amateur online detectives have caused all sorts of distress to victims’ families and friends and innocent suspects in murder cases.
Popular podcast Serial hit the headlines when it provoked a frenzy of speculation about a 1999 high school murder, upsetting and angering the victim’s family.
Back in 1996, the case of murdered six-year-old JonBenet Ramsey led to what her parents John and Patsy called “the first cyberspace lynching”, a new form of witch-hunting and vigil[ censored word]m that tore into almost everyone connected to the case, and contributed to the shutdown of the Justice Watch website.
A posting of William Tyrrell’s story to the “Unresolved Mysteries” section of social network Reddit, which has 114,446 readers, recently attracted 200-plus comments, including uncorroborated accusations against family members and government organisations. Another post about the case on Facebook reads: “I was up in applehill today and seen a boy they also called william that looked just like your some and when I saw them I had gotten a sick feeling about it” (sic).
But despite the upsetting effect of these comments, even the slim chance that a child could be found keeps families determined to use the connected world of social media. Relatives often run Facebook pages themselves, or post regular public appeals years after the police have had to move on. When Suzie Ratcliffe posted on Facebook in 2012 about her sister Joanne, who went missing at Adelaide Oval in 1973, a woman came forward with potential new clues.
It’s a world of pain, shattered hopes and potential exploitation of tragedy for personal and commercial gain. Nevertheless, most parents with a lost child would pray for their baby to go viral.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6663.msg279025#msg279025
Do you really think that all this will make people more sympathetic towards the mccanns ?
They have made their nest, now they have to live with the consequences.
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How bizarre is your logic. So - if it is possible to abduct a sleeping child from a bedroom in which others are asleep then it's best to assume it has been done, in the absence of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. Glad that's been sorted then!
Doesn't mean it happened in this case.
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Do you really think that all this will make people more sympathetic towards the mccanns ?
They have made their nest, now they have to live with the consequences.
Even if it did, its a benefit for the McCanns, not for Madeleine. Its still all about them.
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Do you really think that all this will make people more sympathetic towards the mccanns ?
They have made their nest, now they have to live with the consequences.
Why should I or anyone else for that matter think that the most important thing in the world is that people should be made more sympathetic towards the Drs McCann.
Sympathy for their cause ... yes!
Sympathy for Madeleine McCann who is their cause ... yes!
... and the recognition that by going out of their way to thwart Madeleine's parents in their aim just for spite ... are actually taking a swipe at the missing child ... Madeleine McCann.
I find that reprehensible behaviour ... you can catalogue what you think of them as you please.
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Even if it did, its a benefit for the McCanns, not for Madeleine. Its still all about them.
Oh dear ... what an attitude you are admitting to.
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Oh dear ... what an attitude you are admitting to.
A Better attitude than the McCanns displayed on the dissapearance of their daughter.