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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: carlymichelle on October 05, 2015, 08:05:54 AM
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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/468332/McCann-fury-new-libel-cop-case-Madeleine-internet-trolls
McCann fury as new libel cop case begins
INTERNET trolls are backing a court challenge to Madeleine McCann’s parents.
By Jerry Lawton / Published 5th October 2015
TROLLS: Internet trolls are backing a court libel case against the McCanns
They could help to strip the couple of £357,000 they hope to use to find her.
Ex-police chief Goncalo Amaral, 56, has been flooded with nearly £50,000 in public donations since he lost a libel hearing against Kate and Gerry McCann six months ago.
The GoFundMe webpage donors include trolls who have abused the McCanns online.
Three appeal court judges are expected to begin re-assessing the evidence on Wednesday.
If they find in Mr Amaral’s favour the damages award will be quashed.
A friend of the couple admitted they were “exasperated” by the appeal and the source of its funding.
The pal said: “Some of the people who have donated money to this have said the most appalling things on the internet even though they know nothing about the case and have no direct involvement in it.
“It seems strange indeed these people may be indirectly able to influence civil court proceedings. Kate and Gerry are exasperated.”
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'The pal'.
Has that become the replacement for 'sources close to the mccanns'.
I wish the mccanns everything they duly deserve from the court case they initiated.
NOTHING.
Apart from more legal costs of course.
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'The pal'.
Has that become the replacement for 'sources close to the mccanns'.
I wish the mccanns everything they duly deserve from the court case they initiated.
NOTHING.
Apart from more legal costs of course.
totally agree and pal sounds so tween dont you think?? 8@??)(
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'The pal'.
Has that become the replacement for 'sources close to the mccanns'.
I wish the mccanns everything they duly deserve from the court case they initiated.
NOTHING.
Apart from more legal costs of course.
Is this where I get to say 'Amaral devotee' Stephen?
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Is this where I get to say 'Amaral devotee' Stephen?
Do you think I really care ?
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totally agree and pal sounds so tween dont you think?? 8@??)(
anyone who takes much notice of daily star articles has to be a bit thick....IMO
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Do you think I really care ?
getting back to topic im glad they published how much people raised for amaral i didnt but it shows people really do care about injustice towards innocent people
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anyone who takes much notice of daily star articles has to be a bit thick....IMO
Have you read it ? @)(++(*
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Have you read it ? @)(++(*
I've read it but don't take much notice of it...
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The documents for the appeals are being sent up to the higher court on Wednesday, nothing more. It does not mean that the judges are going to start studying them right away. It should be some months before we get a decision.
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The documents for the appeals are being sent up to the higher court on Wednesday, nothing more. It does not mean that the judges are going to start studying them right away. It should be some months before we get a decision.
Exactly.
Merely the first stage of the appeal.
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Exactly.
Merely the first stage of the appeal.
so why are the mcanns and co so agitated?
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so why are the mcanns and co so agitated?
I find it to be 'throwing the toys out of the pram' ploy.
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getting back to topic im glad they published how much people raised for amaral i didnt but it shows people really do care about injustice towards innocent people
The McCann's are innocent carly, SY have said the McCann's and their friends are not suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine.
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The McCann's are innocent carly, SY have said the McCann's and their friends are not suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine.
i wasnt talking about the mccans i was talking about amaral he is innocent of doing his job the mccans staretd this whole thing i dont care less about the mcanns
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anyone who takes much notice of daily star articles has to be a bit thick....IMO
So could the same be said of those who believe the abduction story ?
As we know, there isn't a shred of forensic or other evidence to actually show it happened.
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i wasnt talking about the mccans i was talking about amaral he is innocent of doing his job the mccans staretd this whole thing i dont care lesss about their innocence
Doing his job is one thing, writing a book saying the McCann's hid Madeleine's body and staged an abduction is another.
I know you don't care less about their innocence, it shows in more or less every post you make. The fact is they have been cleared by SY and the Portuguese police of having anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance, whether you like it or not.
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i wasnt talking about the mccans i was talking about amaral he is innocent of doing his job the mccans staretd this whole thing i dont care less about the mcanns
Could you explain how writing his book was part of his job plz?
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It seems that team McCann want to publicise 'trolls' again. Firstly we have the storm in a teacup about trolls attacking them on social media, now we have trolls making Amaral's appeal possible. If he wins it will be the 'trolls' fault and they will have 'harmed the search'. It must be exasperating that they can't control people on the internet.
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It seems that team McCann want to publicise 'trolls' again. Firstly we have the storm in a teacup about trolls attacking them on social media, now we have trolls making Amaral's appeal possible. If he wins it will be the 'trolls' fault and they will have 'harmed the search'. It must be exasperating that they can't control people on the internet.
Precisely G-Unit.
It's all a part of the blame game, the mccanns and their associates have employed since the start.
and what happens in the Portuguese Court has nothing to do with 'trolls'.
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Precisely G-Unit.
It's all a part of the blame game, the mccanns and their associates have employed since the start.
and what happens in the Portuguese Court has nothing to do with 'trolls'.
I wonder what the next headline will be? 'McCanns driven off twitter by vile trolls' at a guess.
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I think that the McCanns are upset because Gonçalo Amaral has been given the financial possibility to appeal. They so hoped, from the beginning, that by freezing his assets they would be able to strangle him financially, making it impossible for him to fight back.
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I think that the McCanns are upset because Gonçalo Amaral has been given the financial possibility to appeal. They so hoped, from the beginning, that by freezing his assets they would be able to strangle him financially, making it impossible for him to fight back.
8@??)( exactlly they should be careful what they wish for
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I think that the McCanns are upset because Gonçalo Amaral has been given the financial possibility to appeal. They so hoped, from the beginning, that by freezing his assets they would be able to strangle him financially, making it impossible for him to fight back.
You are really trying to make out that Amaral is a poor poor man aren't you, for goodness sake he's not on the streets you know, the money raised is just peanuts to him.
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You are really trying to make out that Amaral is a poor poor man aren't you, for goodness sake he's not on the streets you know, the money raised is just peanuts to him.
Dear oh dear.
Here we go again.
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You are really trying to make out that Amaral is a poor poor man aren't you, for goodness sake he's not on the streets you know, the money raised is just peanuts to him.
Did he have the funds to pay for his appeal then? were all his assets not frozen? Please provide information supporting your statement that the money raised is just peanuts to him.
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I think that the McCanns are upset because Gonçalo Amaral has been given the financial possibility to appeal. They so hoped, from the beginning, that by freezing his assets they would be able to strangle him financially, making it impossible for him to fight back.
I'm sure the mccanns expected the appeal....how has he funded his legal fight so far...he obviously has access to funds
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The documents for the appeals are being sent up to the higher court on Wednesday, nothing more. It does not mean that the judges are going to start studying them right away. It should be some months before we get a decision.
It's a pretty straightforward matter.
Amaral has accused the McCanns of causing the death of their daughter, covering up the (alleged!) "fact" of her death and launching a fraudulent "appeal" in their (dead) daughter's name.
None of that is true.
By default he is therefore guilty of libel.
So why is he wasting the time of appeal-court judges?
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It's a pretty straightforward matter.
Amaral has accused the McCanns of causing the death of their daughter, covering up the (alleged!) "fact" of her death and launching a fraudulent "appeal" in their (dead) daughter's name.
None of that is true.
By default he is therefore guilty of libel.
So why is he wasting the time of appeal-court judges?
When did Amaral say the mccanns caused the death of their daughter ferryman ?
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Did he have the funds to pay for his appeal then? were all his assets not frozen? Please provide information supporting your statement that the money raised is just peanuts to him.
He was going to appeal he said so, that was before the money was raised.
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It's a pretty straightforward matter.
Amaral has accused the McCanns of causing the death of their daughter, covering up the (alleged!) "fact" of her death and launching a fraudulent "appeal" in their (dead) daughter's name.
None of that is true.
By default he is therefore guilty of libel.
So why is he wasting the time of appeal-court judges?
He has appealed. Just learn to live with it.
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It's a pretty straightforward matter.
Amaral has accused the McCanns of causing the death of their daughter, covering up the (alleged!) "fact" of her death and launching a fraudulent "appeal" in their (dead) daughter's name.
None of that is true.
By default he is therefore guilty of libel.
So why is he wasting the time of appeal-court judges?
If it were as straightforward as it is in 'ferryman world' the judge wouldn't have needed to bring Amaral's occupation into the judgement. The McCanns were awarded damages because of who he was, not because of what he said.
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Doing his job is one thing, writing a book saying the McCann's hid Madeleine's body and staged an abduction is another.
I know you don't care less about their innocence, it shows in more or less every post you make. The fact is they have been cleared by SY and the Portuguese police of having anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance, whether you like it or not.
Given that the nature of the crime, assuming for a moment there ever was one, is unknown, how on earth can they be cleared? Cleared of what exactly??
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If it were as straightforward as it is in 'ferryman world' the judge wouldn't have needed to bring Amaral's occupation into the judgement. The McCanns were awarded damages because of who he was, not because of what he said.
You clearly don't understand the basic precepts of libel
Never mind ....
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Given that the nature of the crime, assuming for a moment there ever was one, is unknown, how on earth can they be cleared? Cleared of what exactly??
cleared of any criminal involvement in maddie's disappearance
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If it were as straightforward as it is in 'ferryman world' the judge wouldn't have needed to bring Amaral's occupation into the judgement. The McCanns were awarded damages because of who he was, not because of what he said.
Without what he said (or if he had confined what he said to the process) there would be no action ....
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Without what he said (or if he had confined what he said to the process) there would be no action ....
Without the mccanns and what they failed to do, there would be no case.
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Without what he said (or if he had confined what he said to the process) there would be no action ....
police have a right to their opinion beinga police officer isnt fairy land like you supporters live in ga has everyight to his opinion he didnt force gerry and kate to abandon their children did he? he is not responisble for maddie vanishing the mcanns are by the very least no childcare to make someone els e a scapegoat by their stupidity is horrible imo and gullible people like you fell for it
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Without the mccanns and what they failed to do, there would be no case.
exactly and im sick of mcann supporters blaming everybody else but gerry and kate
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exactly and im sick of mcann supporters blaming everybody else but gerry and kate
You could always take you own advice and not read the posts. As you say - 'no-one is forced to read anything'.
It would also make a pleasant change if you could make a post that does not include abuse of people who disagree with you. Everyone is entitled to voice their opinion on this forum - not just the sceptics.
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You clearly don't understand the basic precepts of libel
Never mind ....
For Gonçalo Amaral to have committed libel in his book it would have to be proven that he made a false statement that harms the reputation of the McCanns, the emphasis being on false!
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Given that the nature of the crime, assuming for a moment there ever was one, is unknown, how on earth can they be cleared? Cleared of what exactly??
Cleared of the doubt that Amaral put on them.
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exactly and im sick of mcann supporters blaming everybody else but gerry and kate
This is about Madeleine, Amaral is saying that Madeleine is dead, he doesn't know if she is dead or not and should not have made it sound as if she were.
It is not the McCann's fault he wrote a book, they didn't make him write it, he wrote it to earn money for himself and wrote it whilst he was still employed with the Police Force which is against the law in Portugal.
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For Gonçalo Amaral to have committed libel in his book it would have to be proven that he made a false statement that harms the reputation of the McCanns, the emphasis being on false!
that certainly isn't true in the uk and no one really seems to understand libel law in Portugal. Certainly in the trial the mccanns made no attempt to prove amaral wrong yet they won the case
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Without the mccanns and what they failed to do, there would be no case.
Are we back to the McCann's leaving the children again Stephen? You use every thread to bring that up.
The fact is it happens and Madeleine is missing, Amaral wrote a book saying she was dead, there was no proof she was dead he shouldn't have said it.
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Are we back to the McCann's leaving the children again Stephen? You use every thread to bring that up.
The fact is it happens and Madeleine is missing, Amaral wrote a book saying she was dead, there was no proof she was dead he shouldn't have said it.
lace get used to it if the mcanns had not left the children maddie would be safe now the catalyst is and always will be the mcanns started the chains of events and no one will ever convince people otherwise
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exactly and im sick of mcann supporters blaming everybody else but gerry and kate
Your way of thinking is that it's the parents fault and there should be no investigation because if the McCann's hadn't done what they did Madeleine wouldn't be missing, so punish Madeleine for what the McCann's did.
So Kerry's mother should be punished because of Ben.
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lace get used to it if the mcanns had not left the children maddie would be safe now the catalyst is and always will be the mcanns started the chains of events and no one will ever convince people otherwise
Madeleine is missing that is what counts now, you just want to keep punishing the McCann's when the emphasis should be on finding Madeleine. Punish Madeleine because of what the parents did that's your motto.
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that certainly isn't true in the uk and no one really seems to understand libel law in Portugal. Certainly in the trial the mccanns made no attempt to prove amaral wrong yet they won the case
Have you looked up the legal definition of defamation recently Dave? Are you still harbouring the illusion that the recent trial in Lisbon was a defamation case when the Judge speficially refused to consider such issues?
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Amaral should have thought of Madeleine before he wrote his book, all he thought about was making money for himself.
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Your way of thinking is that it's the parents fault and there should be no investigation because if the McCann's hadn't done what they did Madeleine wouldn't be missing, so punish Madeleine for what the McCann's did.
So Kerry's mother should be punished because of Ben.
emotional blackmail doesnt work with me lace we are not emotionally supressed in australia we say what we feel using maddie as emotional blackmail is sick imo she was 3 gerry and kate were the adults
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Have you looked up the legal definition of defamation recently Dave? Are you still harbouring the illusion that the recent trial in Lisbon was a defamation case?
john is it tru that many uk people DO not approve of what the mcanns did and only feel sorry for maddie? here most would never leave 3 kids under 4 alone ever it just isnt done
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john is it tru that many uk people DO not approve of what the mcanns did and only feel sorry for maddie? here most would never leave 3 kids under 4 alone ever it just isnt done
Being sorry for Madeleine and wondering what befell her is about the only thing that both groups have in common. Beyond that sympathy is evenly split between the parents and Gonçalo.
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so why are the mcanns and co so agitated?
They have an urgent need for 360 grand?.
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emotional blackmail doesnt work with me lace we are not emotionally supressed in australia we say what we feel using maddie as emotional blackmail is sick imo she was 3 gerry and kate were the adults
I am not using emotional blackmail, you keep saying this wouldn't have happened if the McCann's hadn't left Madeleine alone, as if we are supposed to think, oh well that's ok then the parents fault, lets not bother with an investigation, lets not bother about Amaral writing a book and saying she is dead, it's the parents fault so lets just think that Madeleine is dead and not bother.
The McCann's did leave Madeleine alone, but they fought Amaral because he said she was dead and if people think she is dead they wouldn't look out for her.
I think it's emotional blackmail to keep repeating 'the McCann's left the children' hoping it might change peoples mind about them and the search for Madeleine.
Ben was left alone he wandered away, do you think that if someone wrote a book saying Kerry must have done something to Ben that he wasn't worth bothering about because he was left to wander?
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They have an urgent need for 360 grand?.
It would go into the fund for Madeleine not into their pockets as it would do if Amaral was awarded it.
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john is it tru that many uk people DO not approve of what the mcanns did and only feel sorry for maddie? here
Yes, most do not approve with what they did carly, but they were interviewed by Social Services when back in Britain.
I think most disapproved with what they did, but now see two desperate parents searching for the child they love and miss.
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emotional blackmail doesnt work with me lace we are not emotionally supressed in australia we say what we feel using maddie as emotional blackmail is sick imo she was 3 gerry and kate were the adults
I find it sick that a Police Officer used a missing child to line his pockets.
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It would go into the fund for Madeleine not into their pockets as it would do if Amaral was awarded it.
On that basis "The Fund" will be the plaintiff in the case. That is not what it says in the writ.
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I find it sick that a Police Officer used a missing child to line his pockets.
Many people find it sick what the mccanns did.
So has all the money the mccanns received gone into the fund ?
and I mean ALL THE MONEY.
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Being sorry for Madeleine and wondering what befell her is about the only thing that both groups have in common. Beyond that sympathy is evenly split between the parents and Gonçalo.
If it is the case that there is shared sorrow and empathy for Madeleine McCann, why are there disparate groups who campaign under the umbrella of doing all they can in any way possible initially to try to prevent her case being reviewed by Scotland Yard?
Why are the same groups of people trying to derail the active investigation into her disappearance using tactics such as writing to their MPs about costs etc?
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He was going to appeal he said so, that was before the money was raised.
Because money had been raised via the PJGA appeal perhaps?
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If it is the case that there is shared sorrow and empathy for Madeleine McCann, why are there disparate groups who campaign under the umbrella of doing all they can in any way possible initially to try to prevent her case being reviewed by Scotland Yard?
Why are the same groups of people trying to derail the active investigation into her disappearance using tactics such as writing to their MPs about costs etc?
Because most people including SY have reached the terrible reality that she is most probably deceased.
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The McCanns always seem furious.
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The McCanns always seem furious.
If, in addition to the trauma of losing your daughter, you had to put up with hordes of people constantly snapping at your heels about this and that, I imagine you would be, too ....
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If, in addition to the trauma of losing your daughter, you had to put up with hordes of people constantly snapping at your heels about this and that, I imagine you would be, too ....
They should be furious with themselves.
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The McCanns always seem furious.
not good for their bp im sure
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They should be furious with themselves.
yep no one forced them to go out with their pals everynight and leave 3 children under 4 alone and even when maddie told them she was upset they still went out
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Who says they are furious.... The star..... And you believe what you read in the star
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Who says they are furious.... The star..... And you believe what you read in the star
Well you are clearly taking notice of the article.
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Well you are clearly taking notice of the article.
Try reading what I posted
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The McCanns always seem furious.
Only in newspaper-speak.
A headline of 'Furious Gerry' is far more likely to sell newspapers than 'Slightly Annoyed Gerry'
I would have thought that was obvious.
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Only in newspaper-speak.
A headline of 'Furious Gerry' is far more likely to sell newspapers than 'Slightly Annoyed Gerry'
I would have thought that was obvious.
How about one with 'Gerry's shortcomings' ?
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Who says they are furious.... The star..... And you believe what you read in the star
It probably pays not to take too much notice of what The Star says:
"Ex-police chief Goncalo Amaral, 56, has been flooded with nearly £50,000 in public donations since he lost a libel hearing against Kate and Gerry McCann six months ago".
"The GoFundMe webpage donors include trolls who have abused the McCanns online".
"Internet trolls are backing a court libel case against the McCanns"
“It seems strange indeed these people may be indirectly able to influence civil court proceedings. Kate and Gerry are exasperated.”
From the top:
True
True
Untrue
Untrue
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It probably pays not to take too much notice of what The Star says:
"Ex-police chief Goncalo Amaral, 56, has been flooded with nearly £50,000 in public donations since he lost a libel hearing against Kate and Gerry McCann six months ago".
"The GoFundMe webpage donors include trolls who have abused the McCanns online".
"Internet trolls are backing a court libel case against the McCanns"
“It seems strange indeed these people may be indirectly able to influence civil court proceedings. Kate and Gerry are exasperated.”
From the top:
True
True
Untrue
Untrue
As the star has called this a libel trial you need to remark your answers