Interesting.
Googling "amaral gofundme" used to return the correct page as the top result.
Now googling "amaral gofundme" does not return the correct page at all.
Some people elsewhere are claiming google did this - but they are wrong - it was not google - it was......
Interesting.
Googling "amaral gofundme" used to return the correct page as the top result.
Now googling "amaral gofundme" does not return the correct page at all.
Some people elsewhere are claiming google did this - but they are wrong - it was not google. It was......
Give us a clue then, it matters not anyway as its not hard to find a donation page...The following line has recently been added to the HTML header of the amaral gofundme page.
The following line has recently been added to the HTML header of the amaral gofundme page.
<meta name="robots" content="noindex, nofollow"/>
This instructs all search engines to exclude the amaral gofundme webpage from search results.
The following line has recently been added to the HTML header of the amaral gofundme page.
<meta name="robots" content="noindex, nofollow"/>
This instructs all search engines to exclude this webpage from search results.
Use Bing if it upsets you - Amaral GFM is top on there.Yes but not for long. As soon as Bing robot picks up the "no index" instruction, the Amaral gofundme page will disappear from their results too. Check again in a few days and see what I mean. Whooosh.
It's all Greek to me...but if true that was some deliberate act engineered by ANO , (and not some technical innocent gobbledegook) a little sad at best
Maybe lurking techies can explain
It came up for me on yahoo....(snip)Check yahoo again in a few days it will have gone from top result to invisible.
Check yahoo again in a few days it will have gone from top result to invisible.
It's the Americans again. I warned you about them a while ago.
All trace of the account will disappear.
Option one Mercury.
Why do you think it's been removed (just before 7th October?)?Go to any other uk gfm page, do "view source", search that text for "no index".
To be fair it is quite possible that this change affects a whole range of pages there, for example (total guess) it could be that it affects all legal expenses type appeals, or possible that there is some other general explanation , and I never claimed it was one page only.
I have looked at a few other GFM UK appeals and there is no meta robot no index no follow amid the source data.Thanks Misty.
Only on Amaral's page. ... (snip)
I have looked at a few other GFM UK appeals and there is no meta robot no index no follow amid the source data.
Only on Amaral's page. I'm no techie - but I presume someone who knows what they're doing can use the developer tools to modify the page (I know of someone who can do rather a lot with Yahoo forum boards!)
GoFundMe state that an account will not show up in the GoFundMe Public Search Directory if it is not connected to a valid personal Facebook account.
We have asked Leanne to clarify the position.I thought she had nothing more to do with the Fund and was concentrating on her family?
Thanks Misty.
What made you check the page data? Do you have a screenshot of older data from it?www.archive.org - Sept 26
We have asked Leanne to clarify the position.
www.archive.org - Sept 26
Thanks. The shot taken 28/9 doesn't have the meta robot no index text in it, so it's been added since then.It's a completely honest appeal Misty.
The words "take the money & run" keep coming into my head. Don't know why.
It's a completely honest appeal Misty.
It clearly states its single aim and all the proceeds go to that.
Leanne should have no problem with any questions put to her by Admin, then.
GFM's reputation for transparency & honesty is at stake here.
I thought she was no longer involved so why should she respond to questions ?
I thought she was no longer involved so why should she respond to questions ?
She had the original account therefore she must have transferred both it & the Stripe account to someone else.
In which case it is not her problem, is it?
She started it!Oh I do so love your jolly jests, so amusing.
In the interests of equality maybe we should name her Boogahwoman I rather than Boogahman IV.
In which case it is not her problem, is it?
If you say so. She's no need to be worried or fearful about answering questions regarding the transfer if it's all above board. Of course, if the account is suddenly closed within the next few days it may prove a little difficult for donators to be sure where their money has actually gone.................
What evidence have you that the account is likely to be closed?
The google link may have gone, bit the site still remains. https://www.gofundme.com/Legal-DefencePJGA
No doubt if you find the culprit, you find the motive.
So the first place to look is where the page is controlled.
Isn't that some corporate giant, somewhere?
The google link may have gone, bit the site still remains. https://www.gofundme.com/Legal-DefencePJGA
Who's tampered with the account page so search engines won't pick up the link, and why?
Google do charge placement in their search engine, have done for quite a while. If you want your company to be the first on their search list, you pay the man the bucks!
Also, pressure to have their name removed from sites can be requested for whatever reason... I have the xml code to embed google search in web pages. whoo hoo !
Who said it was "tampered with" as opposed to a deliberate legitimate action for reasons unknown
You are saying you do not understand why or who but are quick to say Amaral is going to take the money and run aka Benny Hill, you haven't really thought it all through have you? as he would be jeopardising / destroying support wouldn't he, and he still has to pay his lawyer, so what kind of any sense does that make?
Or is it a case of, it sticks in your craw for some reason, that he has had moral and financial support, in a very transparent request for donations, for his legal appeal,and before even a year is out you are asking for accounts?
Normally people question things when they have sound reason to, not extrapolating ther own prejudices into the imagined present or future
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no...google charge when searchers are searching for the same key words....there is no pay per click charge for amaral gofundme
Did I say it was Amaral who was going to take the money & run?
In that case here is a reminder of the website for those of a mind to use it- https://www.gofundme.com/Legal-DefencePJGAThanks, must remember to make my weekly donation.
In that case here is a reminder of the website for those of a mind to use it- https://www.gofundme.com/Legal-DefencePJGA
The page will soon also be not listed in Bing and Yahoo search results.
Perhaps they thought that he would be unable to appeal because all his funds were frozen, so they thought it was over. The funds raised have affected the court case by allowing Amaral to pay the fees and a lawyer and file his appeal. So the saga continues and the money is not yet in their hands. Of course that doesn't matter because it was never about the money, It was about the damage caused to the search and the libel of the children. Wait though....neither of those points were proved, so no money was awarded for either of those.
Perhaps the McCanns ought to research the internet. They might find that there are people who know as much if not more than them about the case. People have learned and decided what they think for themselves, rather than just believing what they have been told.
If the lost links to the site have anything to do with Team McCann (and there is nothing to say they have) the stable door closing is too late, the horse is miles away. The result will be that the link will be shared all over and the loss of the links will be publicised and more donations may result just because people feel they could be being manipulated.
Perhaps they thought that he would be unable to appeal because all his funds were frozen, so they thought it was over. The funds raised have affected the court case by allowing Amaral to pay the fees and a lawyer and file his appeal. So the saga continues and the money is not yet in their hands. Of course that doesn't matter because it was never about the money, It was about the damage caused to the search and the libel of the children. Wait though....neither of those points were proved, so no money was awarded for either of those.There is a test that can be done - find any other gfm appeals which are not "facebook-verified" and check if they contain "no index".
Perhaps the McCanns ought to research the internet. They might find that there are people who know as much if not more than them about the case. People have learned and decided what they think for themselves, rather than just believing what they have been told.
If the lost links to the site have anything to do with Team McCann (and there is nothing to say they have) the stable door closing is too late, the horse is miles away. The result will be that the link will be shared all over and the loss of the links will be publicised and more donations may result just because people feel they could be being manipulated.
I have checked another gfm appeal which is "not facebook verified" and it too has the "no index" instruction (so it gets no direct links on search engines). Therefore this policy is not specific to the amaral gfm appeal. IMO it is applied generally to all appeals there which are not facebook verified. No conspiracy.
I have checked another gfm appeal which is "not facebook verified" and it too has the "no index" instruction (so it gets no direct links on search engines). Therefore this policy is not specific to the amaral gfm appeal. IMO it is applied generally to all appeals there which are not facebook verified. No conspiracy.
May I askGoogle "not facebook verified" (in quotes). Scroll down the search results and eventually you will find some "donate" pages (these donate pages are indexed even though the corresponding main appeal pages are not).
a) the name of the appeal
b) how you found it
Google "not facebook verified" (in quotes). Scroll down the search results and eventually you will find some "donate" pages (these donate pages are indexed even though the corresponding main appeal pages are not).
As I said, there is no anti-Amaral conspiracy here, all nfv appeals are treated equally.
There appears to be a lack of transparency with this appeal since it was handed over to Projecto Justice Goncalo Amaral by Leanne Baulch. I believe the questions which should be being asked are...
1. Why did the appeal originator Leanne Baulch feel the need to hand over control to a third party?
2. Who specifically now has control of this appeal and the funds attached to it?
3. Why is there now a lack of transparency with this appeal? One would have thought that with a sum exceeding £50,000 being handed over, the odd update is not too much to ask for.
"not facebook verified" donate to gofundmeThose payment pages don't have the "no index".
I've googled the above & the first 6 non-verified accounts do not have the meta name robot text on the source data page.
Those payment pages don't have the "no index".
But remove "/donate" from the web addresses to see the appeal pages, which do have the "no index, same as the Amaral appeal.
OK. yes, first one I checked doing that produced "no index".
https://www.gofundme.com/owyldc
BUT......
1) The appeal request is in dollars but the location is London (Kensington/Chelsea)
2) See what happens when you click on the "alternate ways to donate" link.
Is it a genuine appeal. or have GFM removed it?
Hardly difficult to find.
http://pjga.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/gofundme-page-donations.html
and I gave that link yesterday.
the mcanns and mcann supporters seem stiff scared of the fund for GA and you have to ask why?? why is it ok for the mcanns to havea court/legal fund and not ga??
Well, the mccanns had people donating to the fund, little realizing that they would be paying for the mccanns legal expenses, amongst others.
Hardly difficult to find.The gfm amaral appeal has reached such a high level of popularity, that not being listed by search engines will have no negative effect on it - people can still easily find it via links from sites that are listed.
http://pjga.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/gofundme-page-donations.html
and I gave that link yesterday.
I do not believe for a second that Amaral would have been unable to Appeal without this Fund.
Then it is very good that this fund exists.
Did you read my post?
No one really cares. Amaral was going to appeal anyway. Setting up a Fund for him was just a PR Exercise. "Look how popular he is." Although sadly not in Portugal. That fact was very telling.... by which PR company? IIRC Mr Amaral has never used any.
... by which PR company? IIRC Mr Amaral has never used any.
I did. I meant that the fund made it so much easier for him to do so, not that he couldn't have done it without
Thank You. So he could have managed okay without it. It simply isn't possible to have a right to appeal and then be prevented by lack of immediate funds.The largest donator by far to the gfm amaral appeal is a group of portuguese and brit people.
But UK certainly put The Portuguese to shame.
The largest donator by far to the gfm amaral appeal is a group of portuguese and brit people.
I did. I meant that the fund made it so much easier for him to do so, not that he couldn't have done it without
Fifty grand is a lot of money for me ... don't know if it is for you or not, Jassi.
But it is a drop in the ocean as far as litigation is concerned.
If it was a PR exercise it was not a good one ... for example the attempt by a handful of people for funding to raise an action against their MP raised their target in a lot less time, and raised a lot more ...
Alistair Carmichael legal campaign reaches £60,000 target http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-33062216
You don't have to employ a PR Company to launch a PR Exercise. No one was much interested in Portugal, but a few were in Britain. I really can't begin to imagine why there should be such a disparity. Don't they like him very much in Portugal?
No one really cares. Amaral was going to appeal anyway. Setting up a Fund for him was just a PR Exercise. "Look how popular he is." Although sadly not in Portugal. That fact was very telling.
Do you have a reference showing that Amaral would have been able to sustain his costs in this case had there been no fundraising please?
When someone's assets are frozen they can apply to the court to have funds released in order to pay essential costs and that includes a lawyer. As far as I know that applies in Portugal under European rights to fair representation laws.
Fifty grand is a lot of money for me ... don't know if it is for you or not, Jassi.
But it is a drop in the ocean as far as litigation is concerned.
If it was a PR exercise it was not a good one ... for example the attempt by a handful of people for funding to raise an action against their MP raised their target in a lot less time, and raised a lot more ...
Alistair Carmichael legal campaign reaches £60,000 target http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-33062216
You are right Brietta fifty grand is a drop in the ocean as far as litigation is concerned. Makes you wonder how the McCanns can afford it, doesn't it ?
You think Amaral doesn't have any millionaire backers?
Are you suggesting the McCanns have millionaire backers misty ?
The McCanns didn't issue a plea to fund their legal defence. Amaral did, despite him being well-connected politically.
The McCanns didn't issue a plea to fund their legal defence. Amaral did, despite him being well-connected politically.
And hog-tied financially.
Tell me misty, how do you think the McCanns are funding this latest litigation ?
So are you saying a) Mr Amaral has mllionaire backers, b) they wouldn't back him financially? So c) he made a plea? (Cite?) And d) Ms Baulch went to the rescue?
If not , what is it exactly that you are sayng?
Perhaps you'd remind the readers about the stability of Amaral's finances before questioning how the McCanns have funded all their litigation.
I'm saying - no-one outside the loop has any idea how much financial backing Amaral has received since 2009. Win or lose this case, he could well be quids in - and the longer it drags on, the more he could get.
I'm saying - no-one outside the loop has any idea how much financial backing Amaral has received since 2009. Win or lose this case, he could well be quids in - and the longer it drags on, the more he could get.
I'm saying - no-one outside the loop has any idea how much financial backing Amaral has received since 2009. Win or lose this case, he could well be quids in - and the longer it drags on, the more he could get.
If he has millionaire backers he hardly needs 50k
I think your dislike of the man might be clouding your judgement
He wasn't the only defendant in the action, was he?
Now, if his fund accounts were published & transparent, no-one could be accused of having a clouded judgement.
When did the gofundme appeal start?
He wasn't the only defendant in the action, was he?
Now, if his fund accounts were published & transparent, no-one could be accused of having a clouded judgement.
So how do you think the McCanns are funding their litigation in Portugal misty ?
I'm not in the loop, Faithlilly. Perhaps they've re-mortgaged their house or had a family whip-round.
I'm not in the loop, Faithlilly. Perhaps they've re-mortgaged their house or had a family whip-round.
When did the gofundme appeal start?
Let's hope so because wouldn't it be dreadful if SY close down their investigation and there's no money in the fund to keep searching for Madeleine as its all been eaten up by their Portuguese litigation ?
End of April. To cover an undetermined amount of legal fees required for an appeal on undisclosed grounds against an unexpected decision made by the very justice system whose reputation he sought to restore.April 2015?
Here's hoping that SY exhaust all avenues of investigation before calling it a day.
Then maybe the McCanns should consider suing Twitter & Facebook for permitting all those libellous comments against them over the years to remain for public viewing.
Here's hoping that SY exhaust all avenues of investigation before calling it a day.
Then maybe the McCanns should consider suing Twitter & Facebook for permitting all those libellous comments against them over the years to remain for public viewing.
April 2015?
If SY exhaust all avenues currently thought to be being investigated by some, I am not sure what that leaves?
Yes. That's when Leanne launched the GoFundMe appeal. Are you getting confused with the PJGA Legal Defence fund?
And how would they fund that ?
I'm sure a GFM appeal to sue 2 giants who have allowed much maligning of individuals/celebrities over the years would be very well supported.
I'm sure a GFM appeal to sue 2 giants who have allowed much maligning of individuals/celebrities over the years would be very well supported.
So you think that if the McCanns set up another fund to sue Twitter and Facebook for allowing comments that weren't too nice towards them it would be well supported ? Really ?
More chance of an asteroid hitting the earth
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ETA, sorry, it might raise £47.26 maybe
You'd better ask our resident scientist/maths expert on the odds for that.You'd better answer my question when the pj ga fund appeal started
Yes, really. I think you under-estimate just how many would like someone to take on those two sites which abstain from moderating in a responsible manner.
You'd better answer my question when the pj ga fund appeal started
The Mccanns are in no position to complain about any media including social media when they invited them in in the first place, did they think the whole world woulc just say what they wanted them to? Get real Misty
Press Release – Defence Fund
For Immediate Release
The movement ‘Citizens in Defence of Rights and Freedoms – Project Justice Gonçalo Amaral’ formally announces the creation of a defence fund by means of a solidarity account to support citizen Gonçalo Amaral, who has been deprived of his civil right to free expression.
Freedom of expression is an inalienable constitutional right, for which the Portuguese people have fought hard, and that cannot be placed at stake, namely when it is exercised with responsibility and with civility.
Citizen Gonçalo Amaral presently finds himself in the front line of a struggle for freedom of expression. An unequal struggle, in which the parties have access to disparate financial resources – citizen Gonçalo Amaral is forced to exhaust all and any personal resources that he may possess, and which are manifestly insufficient to meet the expenses that are inherent to his defence.
His opponents, who are well aware of this limitation, and who are financed by third parties to place considerable resources at their disposal, risk little or nothing, and gamble everything to silence the former Judiciary Police coordinator.
Gonçalo Amaral desires nothing more than to see this matter duly clarified in a court of law, which is the only place where the material truth of facts can, and should, be established. And we, Portuguese citizens, will do anything to see that happen.
Both parties must have equal access to Justice, and to adequate legal representation. In this particular case, we see a need to create a legal defence fund, in order to ensure that citizen Gonçalo Amaral is given access to said equality.
Therefore, the citizens who wish to show their solidarity with this cause, may contribute with their support through a bank account at BPI – Banco Português de Investimento, Sete Rios branch, in Lisbon, with NIB: 0010 0000 438 0385 000 1 62; IBAN: PT 50 0010 0000 438 0385 000 1 62; Swift: BB PI PT PL.
The ‘Project Justice Gonçalo Amaral’ blog – www.pjga.blogspot.com – offers the possibility to donate using the PayPal system.
This action is subject to principles of full transparency and seriousness.
For equal Justice for all, in respect of civil rights and duties of Portuguese and European citizens.
For Truth and for Freedom.
For further information please contact Mr. Luís Arriaga on +351 92 501 19 69, or use the email projectojustica@gmail.com
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I'd give you the link but the title of this thread suggests Google won't let me.
The McCanns had no control over what was being printed in the Portuguese press from the outset of the investigation, whilst themselves being constrained by the threat of jail if they broke Judicial secrecy by speaking about the case to anyone. Subsequent experience and expert advice showed them the correct way to use the media. What a pity others aren't equally as educated in the practice.
Thanks, so the PJGA fund was from 2009 so presumably that is why yu are always asking for accounts
Did you request them and were refused?
Why did you at all think there was somethng amiss?
The only reason anyone questioned the Mccanns fund accounts is because when they published their first year accounts there were red flags or just general shock horror moments IE Most of the mney was spent on anythng BUT searching for Ther child
THAT is a fact
I take it you won't be banging on to see the GFM accounts until April 2016
As for the Mccanns use and abuse of the media, via themselves and all their personal and professional agents and bleating abuse, NO COMMENT
Perhaps you could tell us all how to get hold of the GFM account holders so we can raise that very issue. It would be much appreciated.
What important issue would that be?
Don't lose sleep over it, night night
Perhaps you could tell us all how to get hold of the GFM account holders so we can raise that very issue. It would be much appreciated.To contact the gfm account holder is easy Misty go to https://www.gofundme.com/Legal-DefencePJGA and you will see an envelope symbol, click on it.
The forum owner would also like answers to the same questions. Is that important enough for you?
Night. (& I trust you won't be up at 3.30 am insulting certain posters)
To contact the gfm account holder is easy Misty go to https://www.gofundme.com/Legal-DefencePJGA and you will see an envelope symbol, click on it.
They want my real name but they're just PJGA.If you think there is any impropriety whatsoever Misty you can ask gfm about it by clicking the same envelope symbol.
PJGA is not a company, a recognised organisation or anything else with a name on display.
GFM is supposed to be totally transparent & checks the credentials of the person who holds the account.
If you think there is any impropriety whatsoever Misty you can ask gfm about it by clicking the same envelope symbol.
Do you think they'll breach the data protection act by giving me the name of the account holder (who cannot be in Portugal)?Click on the envelope symbol and you can immediately contact the appeal organiser and ask questions, or contact gfm to ask questions about the appeal, or report to gfm any suspicions whatsoever you have about the appeal.
Click on the envelope symbol and you can immediately contact the appeal organiser and ask questions, or contact gfm to ask questions about the appeal, or report to gfm any suspicions whatsoever you have about the appeal.
Does the MFLNSUL website give you those options?
What important issue would that be?
Don't lose sleep over it, night night
The important issue for some people is that the fund made too much money for their liking.
Yes Montclair, that is what the mccanns and their supporters worry about.
you haven't got a clue what concerns me or others...you just imagine you do
Dream on.
You have made your views on Amaral crystal clear.
he's a disgraced cop...end of...I'm totally bored with the trial but may regain some interest if anything happens over the next year
A cop, whose basic theory of accidental death, has not been disproved.
neither has abduction by aliens
Can anyone explain rationally ... when there appeared to be a glitch in Mr Amaral's appeal for money ... it was immediately portrayed by some as being directly linked to the people in Madeleine McCann's campaign.
You think they are both as likely?
You think they are both as likely?
Extracts from replies made by GFM to my emails, which commenced with me asking for the name of the country in which the account was held for receiving donations via GFM:-
"Unfortunately, we are unable to disclose any information regarding where the account-holder is processing the donations without the Campaign Organizer's permission.
Do you happen to have a link to the campaign?
If you believe someone is committing fraud or breaking the law in any other way, please report the campaign to our Trust & Safety Team by following these steps "
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"Yuliya stepped away, but I can
jump in to help.
With thousands of campaigns being created on GoFundMe every
day, there is no way for us to guarantee the validity of every single campaign,
or note when the Campaign Organizer changes. Whenever you make a donation to a
Personal campaign, like the one you are referring to, the funds are made
available to the account holder directly. As such, we must always recommend that
you only donate to people you know and trust."
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"Hi Madison
Following on from that, is it not the policy of GoFundMe to check the
credentials of anyone taking over from the campaigner of an existing appeal?"
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"I can assure we keep an eye on account transfers, but if you believe someone is committing fraud or breaking the law in any other way, please report the campaign to our Trust & Safety Team by following these steps: "
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So, it appears that whilst GFM are quite happy to allow their banner to continue being displayed behind a campaign which has changed hands since its inception, they take no responsibility whatsoever for checking the credentials of the new account holder. The appeals page has no reference to the original Facebook Verified campaign organiser and GFM makes no statement to ensure people are made aware that changes have been made.
Yes
A Predictable but ridiculous statement.
a predictable and ridiculous statement from you
You suggest that accidental death and alien abduction are equally likely and tell me I am making ridiculous statements? Oh dear.
Reading all that reminds so much of the protest another person and I jointly made against publication of Pat Brown's "profile" of Madeleine McCann on Amazon.
At least in name, they have a procedure you can use to register a complaint against any published material that you think might be untoward. Between us, we quoted extracts from the profile that were plainly libel and got back blanket responses from Amazon that they could not be expected to check the content of all work that is promoted for sale on their site and they would do nothing.
A short time later, Carter-Ruck intervened and the whole lot was whooshed.
These organisations (some of them) take money for providing goods or services without the slightest heed to the credentials or standing of the goods or services they allow third-parties to promote or sell.
two points..
R D Hall of the video fame...a hero of the sceptics believes alien abductions are happening all the time...I'm sure you would agree that's ridiculous ....but the sceptics think he is wonderful...
I put both scenarios at zero as no one has been able to come up with an accident that fits the circumstances....plus many other reasons
Between 2000 and 2005, in the US, 200 Children between the ages of 1 and 4 died of poisoning, 200 died in falls and 800 died of suffocation.
http://www.cdc.gov/safechild/images/CDC-ChildhoodInjury.pdf (http://www.cdc.gov/safechild/images/CDC-ChildhoodInjury.pdf)
we have been through this all before...give me just one example from anywhere in the world...that would fit...no one was able
Ok...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3021620/Girl-3-dies-left-home-mother-aunt-clubbing.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3021620/Girl-3-dies-left-home-mother-aunt-clubbing.html)
this was a 3 month old baby...cant see how this could happen to a nearly 4 yr old
You wanted an example, I have given you one. You will probably object to any example until we get to the point of you requiring an example of a girl of 3 called Madeleine in Portugal.
You wanted an example, I have given you one. You will probably object to any example until we get to the point of you requiring an example of a girl of 3 called Madeleine in Portugal.
You must love whooshing any adverse opinions! I find what you did totally despicable and shows that you do not believe in freedom of opinion, especially when it concerns your dear beloved devious duo of parents. What you did is nothing to be proud of.
If you did not agree with what was written, all you had to do was point out the "errors" out in the review section, which would have been much more effective than just making the book disappear. BTW, I read it and did not find anything libelous in Pat Brown's kindle book. I would be interested if you would please let us know what exactly in the book could have been considered libelous.
If the McCanns felt that the book was truly damaging, all they had to do was hire a lawyer in the US and sue Pat Brown. However, since freedom of opinion is highly regarded there, they probably wouldn't have gotten anywhere. So that's why they sent their henchmen, Carter Ruck, to threaten Amazon.
US law is complicated because there is federal law (applicable in all states) and there is individual legislature of each state (state law). But as I've always understood it, broadly on libel, there is a set of rules that applies to private citizens (where the bar of what amounts to libel is relatively low) and there is libel of people in public or professional positions (where the bar is much higher and libel is much more difficult to prove).
Portugal has a guarantee in its constitution that protects the right of citizens and (by extension) visitors to a good name.
From a position of first co-ordinator of the shelved enquiry Amaral has trampled rough-shod over the McCanns' right to a good name.
That's why he is in the fix he's in.
And a group of (mainly) foreigners to Portugal are trying to bale him out.
US law is complicated because there is federal law (applicable in all states) and there is individual legislature of each state (state law). But as I've always understood it, broadly on libel, there is a set of rules that applies to private citizens (where the bar of what amounts to libel is relatively low) and there is libel of people in public or professional positions (where the bar is much higher and libel is much more difficult to prove).
Portugal has a guarantee in its constitution that protects the right of citizens and (by extension) visitors to a good name.
From a position of first co-ordinator of the shelved enquiry Amaral has trampled rough-shod over the McCanns' right to a good name.
That's why he is in the fix he's in.
And a group of (mainly) foreigners to Portugal are trying to bale him out.
US law is complicated because there is federal law (applicable in all states) and there is individual legislature of each state (state law). But as I've always understood it, broadly on libel, there is a set of rules that applies to private citizens (where the bar of what amounts to libel is relatively low) and there is libel of people in public or professional positions (where the bar is much higher and libel is much more difficult to prove).In fact some portuguese people who live in portugal (PJGA) organised help to pay Mr Amaral's legal costs.
Portugal has a guarantee in its constitution that protects the right of citizens and (by extension) visitors to a good name.
From a position of first co-ordinator of the shelved enquiry Amaral has trampled rough-shod over the McCanns' right to a good name.
That's why he is in the fix he's in.
And a group of (mainly) foreigners to Portugal are trying to bale him out.
When the book was overturned by the Tribunal da Relação, the acordão stated that their right to a good name was not trampled, especially as the couple sought the limelight with the press and other media.
That ruling judged between the conflicting rights in the Portuguese constitution of free expression and a good reputation (both guaranteed). The judgement itself made plain that it did not, at all, consider questions of libel.
Libel was a separate issue, considered in the ruling completed in April this year. The outcome of those proceedings was in favour of the McCanns ....
It has long been a festering sore-point of those on your side of the fence that the ruling on the injunction was not sacrosanct and inviolable ...
[/quotyou are absolutely right ....
the ban on the book was unlawful until the question of libel had been settled...it has now been settled and the book found to be libellous and hence now banned
In fact some portuguese people who live in portugal (PJGA) organised help to pay Mr Amaral's legal costs.
Just as some english people who live in england (MFLNSUL) had kindly organised help to pay legal costs to initiate the case.
Didn't Amaral accuse the Madeleine Fund of being fraudulent in his book, well before legal action was started against him?
BTW Nothing explains why GFM didn't remove the link to their directory immediately the appeal changed hands to a non-F/Book verified account. It took 2 months.
Nothing explains why GFM didn't remove the link to their directory immediately the appeal changed hands to a non-F/Book verified account. It took 2 months.
I don't think anyone is concerned about any of this (whatever it is supposed to mean) except you?
I think Misty's point might be that Gofundme rules state that live accounts must be linked to a facebook page.
Is that right?
Who cares? If there is money laundering or illegal activity going on someone might have a point, who cares about rules about Facebook links, honestly! Perhaps whoever is involved in organising the appeal has got better thngs to do.
I think Misty's point might be that Gofundme rules state that live accounts must be linked to a facebook page.
Is that right?
May I direct you to the title of the thread?
You may, doesn't change much though unless you spit it out what exactly you thnk is going on that anyone should be worried about
They don't have to be linked to a Facebook account.
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Who knows what's going on. GFM mysteriously removing links to PJGA page, Google removing the link to Sonia's Teaser Trailer, WayBack Machine holding dodgy data, Rugby Journalists engaging in subterfuge.....one name keeps cropping up..........
Who knows what's going on. GFM mysteriously removing links to PJGA page, Google removing the link to Sonia's Teaser Trailer, WayBack Machine holding dodgy data, Rugby Journalists engaging in subterfuge.....one name keeps cropping up..........
So getting back to facebook and gofundme, in summary, gofundme prefer that accounts are linked to facebook, but the penalty for declining so to do is that accounts are no de-linked from search engines (just as has happened).
Is that right?
They are merely deleted directly from the GoFundMe official list. The name of the appeal can be picked up if mentioned elsewhere.
*snipped from questions you can ask by clicking the envelope on an appeal page*
However, becoming Facebook verified has been a key factor for most of our successful campaigns. It's a great way to leverage your community of friends and family that may already exist.
Also, we do require that your Account be Facebook verified in order to show up in our Public Search Directory. Why you ask? Well, this has been a great deterrent to fraud (and it works). We promote and reward transparency to protect our donors from fraud.