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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on November 06, 2015, 11:33:05 PM
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Gerry and Kate McCann reveal the reasons why they miss Maddie.
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By Tracey Kandohla
6 November 2015
Kate and Gerry McCann include her smile, her dimples, her sense of humour, her “chat” and her excitement in the festive build-up.
(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6785274.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Kate-and-Gerry-McCann.jpg)
The parents of Madeleine McCann have compiled a heart-rending list of all the things they miss about their long-lost daughter in the run-up to Christmas.
The list accompanies a picture of the couple standing at their front door in Rothley, Leics.
The photo, taken for the charity Missing People’s Home for Christmas Exhibition, is among 12 pictures of families who have missing loved ones.
The exhibition – at The Crypt in London’s St-Martin-in-the-Fields – highlights the plight of thousands of people across Britain who are living in limbo after the disappearance of a family member.
(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6749759.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Kate-and-Gerry-McCann.jpg)
A charity spokesperson said: “These powerful images depict families standing by their front doors, symbolising the hopes and fears experienced by those desperately waiting for news.”
(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6785275.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Madeleine-McCann.jpg)
The picture of heart doctor Gerry and former GP Kate , both 47, is on public view until November 22. The couple, parents to 10-year-old twins Sean and Amelie, refuse to give up hope of finding their eldest child, who would now be 12.
Madeleine disappeared from a holiday apartment in Portugal’s Praia da Luz in May 2007.
Missing People’s Jo Youle said: “The exhibition will give the public the opportunity to stand with these families missing a loved one by sharing messages of support.”
Her smile
Her laughter
Her eyes
Her dimples
Her sense of humour
Her smartness
Her imitations of people and characters
Her voice, her ‘chat’
Her company
That knowing look
Her singing
Styling her hair
Chasing her round the garden
Sharing her excitement in the run-up to Christmas
Sharing anything
Spoiling her on her birthday
Shopping with her
Going to a cafe with her
Holding her, hugging her, kissing the top of her head
Lying next to her
Our complete family of five
Everything
We miss her
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gerry-kate-mccann-reveal-reasons-6785371
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Thats really sad
That is the only problem i have with this
Whole debacle, if they were involved in any way, how could they keep up a pretense for Years...I suppose keeping out of prison is a good motivator, well a big one I guess
Who knows, only them
But they keep shootng themselves in the foot....time and time again...they will not give a single honest direct interview without scripted questions and answers, if I missed one please cite it
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Thats really sad
That is the only problem i have with this
Whole debacle, if they were involved in any way, how could they keep up a pretense for Years...I suppose keeping out of prison is a good motivator, well a big one I guess
Who knows, only them
But they keep shootng themselves in the foot....time and time again...they will not give a single honest direct interview without scripted questions and answers, if I missed one please cite it
After 8 years they should do something about it instead of simply talking about it.
Offer a £ million reward to anyone who can reveal Maddie's whereabouts with a guarantee of immunity from prosecution and anonymity.
They have nothing to lose but everything to gain!
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After 8 years they should do something about it instead of simply talking about it.
Offer a £ million reward to anyone who can reveal Maddie's whereabouts with a guarantee of immunity from prosecution and anonymity.
They have nothing to lose but everything to gain!
I'm not sure they could or should do anything at all while Madeleine's disappearance remains an active case in which leads are still being followed.
Neither would it be possible for the Drs McCann to guarantee immunity or anonymity to anyone ... imo that would be something only the authorities in Portugal and Britain could achieve and I think even they would have difficulty doing that in the full glare of the attendant publicity.
What is the betting such a move would encourage more FOI requests ... more letters to MPs ... more petitions etc ... from those anxious for Justice for Madeleine.
The recent dinner fund raiser for Missing people has already been subject to ridicule ... this poignant article will probably attract much of the same opprobrium from the same sources.
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There aren't two sides to this discussion. Kate & Gerry, like many other parents, have lost their child. They miss her
terribly and most of us can't even begin to imagine the pain & torment which they endure daily.
Anyone who can try to make a mockery of such grief should be examining their own soul very closely.
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There aren't two sides to this discussion. Kate & Gerry, like many other parents, have lost their child. They miss her
terribly and most of us can't even begin to imagine the pain & torment which they endure daily.
Anyone who can try to make a mockery of such grief should be examining their own soul very closely.
you are right They lost maddie by their neglect on that holiday
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you are right They lost maddie by their neglect on that holiday
Choices, Carly. Sometimes parents make the wrong choice & their child pays the ultimate price.
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There aren't two sides to this discussion. Kate & Gerry, like many other parents, have lost their child. They miss her
terribly and most of us can't even begin to imagine the pain & torment which they endure daily.
Anyone who can try to make a mockery of such grief should be examining their own soul very closely.
Their child was lost as a result of what they failed to do.
Madeleine deserves the sympathy.
Not them.
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you are right They lost maddie by their neglect on that holiday
They did leave Madeleine but that doesn't mean they don't miss her love her and want her back does it?
You think because they left Madeleine, they don't deserve sympathy don't you?
Well it is obvious they are suffering because of what they did, they will suffer until Madeleine is found, is that enough suffering for you?
I doubt it, you want to see them weeping and wailing not being able to carry on living, that would suit you wouldn't it?
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Do you think the reaction to this article from the online "sceptic" community shows the "Justice 4 Maddie" crusade in a positive light?
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From my experience being hugged by your children/grandchildren is one of the greatest feelings and would be way up on the list if anything happened to them.
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I am incredibly saddened by the treatment this couple and Madeleine are subjected to ... and those of us who have been able to hug our own children, stroke their hair and bury our noses in it just to smell it ... are touched by every single thing Madeleine's parents have been missing.
It takes a special kind of mentality to make the comments which have been made and I am at a loss why there are those who find it necessary to do so at the slightest excuse and why there are those who condone their actions and activities.
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The mccanns have ruthlessly employed the media to portray the 'poor me' act.
What the photos do reveal is the mccanns show normal behavioral patterns when they want to, but would rather prefer the 'public' see the downtrodden image, as if they are carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders.
Like I said, it doesn't wash.
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The mccanns have ruthlessly employed the media to portray the 'poor me' act.
What the photos do reveal is the mccanns show normal behavioral patterns when they want to, but would rather prefer the 'public' see the downtrodden image, as if they are carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders.
Like I said, it doesn't wash.
so you now call their behaviour normal...do you have a clue what you are talking about
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The mccanns have ruthlessly employed the media to portray the 'poor me' act.
What the photos do reveal is the mccanns show normal behavioral patterns when they want to, but would rather prefer the 'public' see the downtrodden image, as if they are carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders.
Like I said, it doesn't wash.
There is a 'face' which is put on in public. Never heard of the good old British "stiff upper lip"? We used to be renowned for it. As far as I am concerned the Drs McCann are past masters at it. Sometimes that mask slips to reveal their suffering.
I think you may have been watching too much lizzie taylor for your own good.
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There is a 'face' which is put on in public. Never heard of the good old British "stiff upper lip"? We used to be renowned for it. As far as I am concerned the Drs McCann are past masters at it. Sometimes that mask slips to reveal their suffering.
I think you may have been watching too much lizzie taylor for your own good.
Wrong again.
I don't need other people to make my judgements for me.
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Poignant, personal messages to their loved ones from the families of missing individuals.
Thanks to Pamalam.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/MissingPeople_Oct_Nov_2015.htm
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All off topic posts and disingenuous comments have been removed from this thread.
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All off topic posts and disingenuous comments have been removed from this thread.
Not sure why my post about the lack of personal content in the McCanns list was off topic but hey ho, your forum, your rules John.
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Nearly 1500 messages of support for the McCanns post about why they miss Madeleine on Facebook in just over 24 hours. It's good to know there are plenty of decent, warm-hearted people out there who don't prefer to spend all their time on the internet making spiteful comments about the families of missing people.
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Not sure why my post about the lack of personal content in the McCanns list was off topic but hey ho, your forum, your rules John.
This is a difficult subject for some but it should not be viewed as an opportunity to disrespect anyone. It is not always possible to edit a thread and provide readibility without losing some reasonable content.
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This is a difficult subject for some but it should not be viewed as an opportunity to disrespect anyone. It is not always possible to edit a thread and provide readibility without losing some reasonable content.
Not sure that answers my specific question but thank you for the feedback anyway John.
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Nearly 1500 messages of support for the McCanns post about why they miss Madeleine on Facebook in just over 24 hours. It's good to know there are plenty of decent, warm-hearted people out there who don't prefer to spend all their time on the internet making spiteful comments about the families of missing people.
The McCann Facebook site is heavily censored which renders it a poor indicator of support if that is your point. You know of course that they had to take down their twitter account (which did not allow censorship) a few days back for the very reason that it attract so much negative comment.
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The McCann Facebook site is heavily censored which renders it a poor indicator of support if that is your point. You know of course that they had to take down their twitter account which did not allow censorship for that very reason.
Nonetheless 1500 individuals have left messages of support. That's quite an impressive number of messages for any facebook post. It has also attracted over 13,500 "likes" - again, an indicator of substantial support and agreement. It will mean a lot to the McCanns to know how many people do support them, I'm sure.
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Nonetheless 1500 individuals have left messages of support. That's quite an impressive number of messages for any facebook post. It has also attracted over 13,500 "likes" - again, an indicator of substantial support and agreement. It will mean a lot to the McCanns to know how many people do support them, I'm sure.
As I stated in my last post, non supportive comments and dislikes are not recorded due to censorship by the Facebook page account holder. If they truly wanted to gauge public support then they would open up the page to everyone but you and I know that won't happen because the McCanns dread criticism.
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As I stated in my last post, non supportive comments and dislikes are not recorded.
I know that. So what?
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Reasons We Miss Madeleine
Her smile
Her laughter
Her eyes
Her dimples
Her sense of humour
Her smartness
Her imitations of people and characters
Her voice, her ‘chat’
Her company
That knowing look
Her singing
Styling her hair
Chasing her round the garden
Sharing her excitement in the run-up to Christmas
Sharing anything
Spoiling her on her birthday
Shopping with her
Going to a cafe with her
Holding her, hugging her, kissing the top of her head
Lying next to her
Our complete family of five
Everything
We miss her
~Gerry and Kate
The photo, taken for the charity Missing People’s Home for Christmas Exhibition, is among 12 pictures of families who have missing loved ones.
The exhibition – at The Crypt in London’s St-Martin-in-the-Fields – highlights the plight of thousands of people across Britain who are living in limbo after the disappearance of a family member.
What sort of person would choose to leave a negative comment under a post like that, or select the "dislike" button?
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Nonetheless 1500 individuals have left messages of support. That's quite an impressive number of messages for any facebook post. It has also attracted over 13,500 "likes" - again, an indicator of substantial support and agreement. It will mean a lot to the McCanns to know how many people do support them, I'm sure.
It is worth noting that when newspapers such as the Mail allow comments many of those criticising the McCanns gain thousands of 'up' arrows.
And as I have said many times before, likes can be bought.
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What sort of person would choose to leave a negative comment under a post like that, or select the "dislike" button?
People are entitled to their own views and opinions Alfred and that is one reason why thousands read this forum every day. As you well know, the view is still held by many that Madeleine's parents were involved in her disappearance so rightly consider press articles like that in the Mirror with derision.
The only thing which unites most people is the need to find the truth, recover Madeleine and punish the guilty.
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The McCann Facebook site is heavily censored which renders it a poor indicator of support if that is your point. You know of course that they had to take down their twitter account (which did not allow censorship) a few days back for the very reason that it attract so much negative comment.
its a good indicator of the number of people who support them. it only takes a couple of people to cause havoc trolling a twitter account so the taking down of the account is not a good measure of the number of trolls on there
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People are entitled to their own views and opinions Alfred and that is one reason why thousands read this forum every day. As you well know, the view is still held by many that Madeleine's parents were involved in her disappearance so rightly consider press articles like that in the Mirror with derision.
The only thing which unites most people is the need to find the truth, recover Madeleine and punish the guilty.
you say many John... I disagree...just a very, very small percentage of the population
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What sort of person would choose to leave a negative comment under a post like that, or select the "dislike" button?
People who don't believe the mccanns and/or those who believe the list is a deliberate ploy to engage sympathy for a couple who are responsible for this case in the first instance.
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The people I have met on this topic, in person, invariably think the McCanns are up to their necks in it. This does not mean the McCanns actually are up to their necks in it. And it certainly doesn't mean I think the McCanns are up to their necks in it. As is so happens, I don't think the McCanns are up to their necks in it.
I think John made a pertinent point in that there is much more to be revealed. As to whether it will be ...
The original article tells us much about the McCann case, though I am sure most folks on here are abundantly aware of it already.
1) Take a story about multiple families with missing relatives.
2) Dump everyone else and make it a McCann story.
3) Listen to the cash register going ka-ching.
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The people I have met on this topic, in person, invariably think the McCanns are up to their necks in it. This does not mean the McCanns actually are up to their necks in it. And it certainly doesn't mean I think the McCanns are up to their necks in it. As is so happens, I don't think the McCanns are up to their necks in it.
I think John made a pertinent point in that there is much more to be revealed. As to whether it will be ...
The original article tells us much about the McCann case, though I am sure most folks on here are abundantly aware of it already.
1) Take a story about multiple families with missing relatives.
2) Dump everyone else and make it a McCann story.
3) Listen to the cash register going ka-ching.
are you in Portugal...that's hardly a representation of the uk public
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are you in Portugal...that's hardly a representation of the uk public
You cannot possibly know that.
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You cannot possibly know that.
the view of the Portuguese people is hardly representative of the uk public...what's wrong with that
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Could we keep to the subject currently under discussion and refrain from making sniping comments. Any further disruptive posting on this thread will attract sanctions.
If posters want to discuss ongoing support I have created a new thread.
www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6765.msg286047#msg286047
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After reading this I couldn't help but note that the McCanns never once addressed themselves directly to Madeleine as all of the other families did in this initiative to their missing relatives. I didn't see her name either, it was "her". Their contribution seems as if it came from people who already knew that the missing person was never coming back home
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After reading this I couldn't help but note that the McCanns never once addressed themselves directly to Madeleine as all of the other families did in this initiative to their missing relatives. I didn't see her name either, it was "her". Their contribution seems as if it came from people who already knew that the missing person was never coming back home
Thats a fair point and very noticeable in this latest report, they very rarely did, twice iirc in all interviews/appeals, one in a xmas appeal and once when prompted to by a journalist
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After reading this I couldn't help but note that the McCanns never once addressed themselves directly to Madeleine as all of the other families did in this initiative to their missing relatives. I didn't see her name either, it was "her". Their contribution seems as if it came from people who already knew that the missing person was never coming back home
Do you have some examples of other tributes from families of missing relatives who have taken part in this initative please?
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Do you have some examples of other tributes from families of missing relatives who have taken part in this initative please?
Thanks again to Pamalam.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Miss ... v_2015.htm
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1-PAUL CARTER
Missing since 2007
Age of disappearance -22
Location Portsmouth
“Every morning I pray for your return home, every night I pray it may be tomorrow”
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2-MATTHEW GREEN
Missing since: 2010
Age of disappearance: 26
Location: Sittingbourne, Kent
“We love and miss you every minute of every day, its ache, a sadness, an emptiness that doesn’t ever go away”
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3-SHARRON JOSEPH
Missing since: 2008
Age of disappearance: 48
Location: Croydon, London
“Sharron I am missing you. I wonder that you haven’t called. Let us know you’re well and happy, Love Mum and Phillip”
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4-QUENTIN GOODWIN
Missing since: 1992
Age of disappearance: 18
Location: Titirangi, New Zealand
“Quentin has never seen our front door but if he was to walk in this Christmas, it would be the greatest moment for us all”
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5-REBBECCA CARR
Missing since: 2002
Age of disappearance: 22
Location: Gillingham, Kent
“We sit here with the door ajar, wishing upon the brightest star. Waiting for the phone to text. Hurry on home Bex xxx”
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6-MADELEINE MCCANN
Missing since: 2007
Age of disappearance: 3
Location: Praia Da Luz, Portugal
Her smile
Her laughter
Her eyes
Her dimples
Her sense of humour
Her smartness
Her imitations of people and characters
Her voice, her ‘chat’
Her company
That knowing look
Her singing
Styling her hair
Chasing her round the garden
Sharing her excitement in the run-up to Christmas
Sharing anything
Spoiling her on her birthday
Shopping with her
Going to a cafe with her
Holding her, hugging her, kissing the top of her head
Lying next to her
Our complete family of five
Everything
We miss her
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7-MARY FLANAGAN
Missing since: 1959
Age of disappearance: 16
Location: Newham, London
“Mary these words are short and sweet; we would love you to make contact to make our lives complete. Love Eileen, Kevin and Brenda”
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8-THOMAS MOORE
Missing since: 2003
Age of disappearance: 31
Location: Brentford, London
“Our thoughts are with Tom every day – we wonder were he is and we pray that one day he will come back to us, The “not knowing” can sometimes be worse than anything”
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9- ANTHONY STAMMERS
Missing since: 2012
Age of disappearance: 27
Location: Colchester, Essex
“We love and miss you Ant today and every day, please get in touch somehow to let us know you’re safe and well. Love from is all, Mum, Dad, Cathy, James and Nana”
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10-LEE BOXELL
Missing since: 1988
Age of disappearance: 15
Location: Sutton, London
“Where are you now?
Are you safe and well?
Maybe tomorrow we’ll wake up and find you”
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11- TREVOR O’DONNELL
Missing since: 1994
Age of disappearance: 23
Location: Canterbury, Kent
“Trevor Patrick O’Donnell 1970-? Called Patrick. Tall, blue-eyed, slim but strong. Likes physics and art and adored by all his family x”
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12- JAMES MOODIE
Missing since: 1998
Age of disappearance: 30
Location: Faversham, Kent
“James please get in touch. We would just love to hear from you.
We miss you every day”
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Oh how funny, my post giving the link and quote from faithlilly was deleted by eleanor...is it because I added that alfred didnt read all the posts thoroughly?
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are you in Portugal...that's hardly a representation of the uk public
True.
Since the thread title is not restricted to the UK public - irrelevant.
Since the disappearance occurred in Portugal - oh dear.
Since I have just been reading the posts about "the Algarve is cheesed off with Maddie stories", news dated May 2009 highlighting the problem with a lack of local support - oh dear.
Here's a simple thought. A large part of the solution to what happened to Madeleine lies in the Algarve, particularly in Luz. Getting such people on board is relevant.
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Here's a simple thought. A large part of the solution to what happened to Madeleine lies in the Algarve, particularly in Luz. Getting such people on board is relevant.
Especially if you are trying to find out what happened.
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True.
Since the thread title is not restricted to the UK public - irrelevant.
Since the disappearance occurred in Portugal - oh dear.
Since I have just been reading the posts about "the Algarve is cheesed off with Maddie stories", news dated May 2009 highlighting the problem with a lack of local support - oh dear.
Here's a simple thought. A large part of the solution to what happened to Madeleine lies in the Algarve, particularly in Luz. Getting such people on board is relevant.
from what you are saying the mccanns have little support in Portugal...I don't think its possible after all this time to change things
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from what you are saying the mccanns have little support in Portugal...I don't think its possible after all this time to change things
In which country is support more important in the search for Madeleine, UK or PT?
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True.
Since the thread title is not restricted to the UK public - irrelevant.
Since the disappearance occurred in Portugal - oh dear.
Since I have just been reading the posts about "the Algarve is cheesed off with Maddie stories", news dated May 2009 highlighting the problem with a lack of local support - oh dear.
Here's a simple thought. A large part of the solution to what happened to Madeleine lies in the Algarve, particularly in Luz. Getting such people on board is relevant.
why do you think so many Portuguese think the mccanns are up to their necks in it when you don't think they are
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why do you think so many Portuguese think the mccanns are up to their necks in it when you don't think they are
Not just Portuguese people, there is a large expat community in the Algarve also.
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Not just Portuguese people, there is a large expat community in the Algarve also.
im well aware of that but it doesnt answer the question
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why do you think so many Portuguese think the mccanns are up to their necks in it when you don't think they are
I don't think the locals are specifically for or against, they just object to the denigrating of their town and want things to return to normal.
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I don't think the locals are specifically for or against, they just object to the denigrating of their town and want things to return to normal.
not according to Luz who lives there
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True.
Since the thread title is not restricted to the UK public - irrelevant.
Since the disappearance occurred in Portugal - oh dear.
Since I have just been reading the posts about "the Algarve is cheesed off with Maddie stories", news dated May 2009 highlighting the problem with a lack of local support - oh dear.
Here's a simple thought. A large part of the solution to what happened to Madeleine lies in the Algarve, particularly in Luz. Getting such people on board is relevant.
A good example of how Amaral's determined propaganda campaign against the McCanns has harmed the search for Madeleine, albeit anecdotal.
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True.
Since the thread title is not restricted to the UK public - irrelevant.
Since the disappearance occurred in Portugal - oh dear.
Since I have just been reading the posts about "the Algarve is cheesed off with Maddie stories", news dated May 2009 highlighting the problem with a lack of local support - oh dear.
Here's a simple thought. A large part of the solution to what happened to Madeleine lies in the Algarve, particularly in Luz. Getting such people on board is relevant.
May I ask your opinion on Mrs Murat's decision to arrange for locals to leave any info anonymously because they may be scared to contact the PJ directly themselves? Why would they be so scared of the PJ IYO?
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In which country is support more important in the search for Madeleine, UK or PT?
It is important in both, plus the visiting countries of Germany, Holland, Ireland and others.
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why do you think so many Portuguese think the mccanns are up to their necks in it when you don't think they are
I KNOW from the way things are reported here that most media reports imply the McCanns are culpable. Even though the law says they are not.
I KNOW from personal experience that the view in Luz is simple. Getting anyone to talk about it is like pulling teeth. No one wants to talk about it 'cos it is 'obvious' the McCanns dun it. Can you get them to explain why it is 'obvious'. Nope. It's obvious, innit?
The reason I think the McCanns are not up to their necks is that it took me about 6 months to work out how to dispose of or conceal a body. It can be done.
However, the McCanns did not have 6 months.
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A good example of how Amaral's determined propaganda campaign against the McCanns has harmed the search for Madeleine, albeit anecdotal.
Absolute rollocks.
People did not need a book to decide whether they thought the mccanns were telling the truth or not.
Determined propaganda machine ? @)(++(* @)(++(*
A great deal of the antipathy towards the mccanns is a results of the mccanns own behaviour and arrogance, and of course, thenm wanting to be the centre of attention.
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May I ask your opinion on Mrs Murat's decision to arrange for locals to leave any info anonymously because they may be scared to contact the PJ directly themselves? Why would they be so scared of the PJ IYO?
I am on unsure footing here, Benice, so please take this as an opinion.
Would I want to be summoned to Faro, for a formal interview, then the answer is no, I would not.
Most of the statements seem to have been closer to home, possibly Luz, possibly Lagos, better, but still a bit formal.
I have spoken to the GNR informally re another potential crime and they were fairly relaxed and 'off-the-record'.
Madeleine was a bit different. That was formal. It was picked over and criticised in minute detail.
Ex-pats who just want to live a quiet life in the sun? I judge Mrs Murat's idea to be about 100% spot on. I. E. there would have been people with information who did not want to go through the formal investigation but who had little bits and pieces to chip in.
I am far from sure that Mrs Murat's effort gathered anything of importance. Perhaps I need to offer a cup of tea to the good lady to find out.
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I KNOW from the way things are reported here that most media reports imply the McCanns are culpable. Even though the law says they are not.
I KNOW from personal experience that the view in Luz is simple. Getting anyone to talk about it is like pulling teeth. No one wants to talk about it 'cos it is 'obvious' the McCanns dun it. Can you get them to explain why it is 'obvious'. Nope. It's obvious, innit?
The reason I think the McCanns are not up to their necks is that it took me about 6 months to work out how to dispose of or conceal a body. It can be done.
However, the McCanns did not have 6 months.
I don't think that was the case in the first days/weeks after the 3rd, and so doesn't explain why Mrs. Murat set up a 'place' for locals who were scared to contact the PJ themselves to leave any info they may have. IMO it was because they were scared of being implicated in the crime themselves by the PJ - and so were taking no chances. I'm not thinking here of the ex pats, but the indigenous locals.
Was it a case of a the PJ's 'reputation' going before them? If there was another reason I would be interested to hear it.
I also think it is natural for the Portuguese people to hope that it was not 'one of their own' who committed this crime - and so they would be far more likely to be influenced by the smear campaign conducted in the PJ media against the 'McCanns and their friends. Again - that is just human nature IMO.
Oops - Sorry SiL - I posted the above before I read your post in reply to mine.
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I KNOW from the way things are reported here that most media reports imply the McCanns are culpable. Even though the law says they are not.
I KNOW from personal experience that the view in Luz is simple. Getting anyone to talk about it is like pulling teeth. No one wants to talk about it 'cos it is 'obvious' the McCanns dun it. Can you get them to explain why it is 'obvious'. Nope. It's obvious, innit?
The reason I think the McCanns are not up to their necks is that it took me about 6 months to work out how to dispose of or conceal a body. It can be done.
However, the McCanns did not have 6 months.
I would think there were at least a couple of ways to dispose of a body in that area. A weighted body taken far enough out to sea wouldn't be seen again. A body placed in a bin would be gone the following day as I understand it.
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I would think there were at least a couple of ways to dispose of a body in that area. A weighted body taken far enough out to sea wouldn't be seen again. A body placed in a bin would be gone the following day as I understand it.
the idea that the mccans would put maddie's body in a bin is about as ridiculous as you can get....but you have to come up with ridiculous ideas to try and make your theories work
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the idea that the mccans would put maddie's body in a bin is about as ridiculous as you can get....but you have to come up with ridiculous ideas to try and make your theories work
Try to remember, THE CRIME IS UNDETERMINED, no matter what propaganda you type on here.
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I would think there were at least a couple of ways to dispose of a body in that area. A weighted body taken far enough out to sea wouldn't be seen again. A body placed in a bin would be gone the following day as I understand it.
Gone before anyone realised it. The refuse collections went on as usual and it was only days later the bins were searched. The nearest landfill site wasn't searched either and now there would be no point.
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the idea that the mccans would put maddie's body in a bin is about as ridiculous as you can get....but you have to come up with ridiculous ideas to try and make your theories work
What makes you think I said the McCanns put anything in a bin? More unfounded assumptions.................
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What makes you think I said the McCanns put anything in a bin? More unfounded assumptions.................
So when you said a body placed in a bin would be gone the next day
On a forum re Maddie
Answering a post re disposing of maddies body
You want us to believe you were not referring to Maddie
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Gone before anyone realised it. The refuse collections went on as usual and it was only days later the bins were searched. The nearest landfill site wasn't searched either and now there would be no point.
When were the bins emptied Faithlilly?
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When were the bins emptied Faithlilly?
Kate looked in a bin thinking... what ever it was she was thinking- having knowledge that her daughter was abducted to be thrown in a bin? Hmm
I have no doubt that the whole McCann family miss little Maddie, I feel heart sorry for their loss, I am genuine in that statement.
And then I am reminded by a colleague about 'The Philpot children' who were burned alive, by their parents, as they slept? the parents in order to cope with their grief - blamed an ex girlfriend. I have no doubt in my mind that they too miss their children, and wish they never did what they did.
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So when you said a body placed in a bin would be gone the next day
On a forum re Maddie
Answering a post re disposing of maddies body
You want us to believe you were not referring to Maddie
You said I was accusing the McCanns of putting a body in a bin. I didn't.
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When were the bins emptied Faithlilly?
In the early hours of the morning of the 4th.
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You said I was accusing the McCanns of putting a body in a bin. I didn't.
Not accusing just floating the idea.... &%+((£
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Not accusing just floating the idea.... &%+((£
A possibility that has yet to be debunked.
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In the early hours of the morning of the 4th.
Early hours of the morning, I wonder how early.
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Early hours of the morning, I wonder how early.
Why ?
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I would think there were at least a couple of ways to dispose of a body in that area. A weighted body taken far enough out to sea wouldn't be seen again. A body placed in a bin would be gone the following day as I understand it.
Which scenario are you working through?
Amaral's scenario was that Madeleine died accidentally on 3 May 2007, probably around Gerry's visit, and then was discovered, presumably by Kate at 10pm.
This gives Kate (not Gerry) mere minutes to work out the method of disposal of a body and to implement it.
No, body placed in a bin does NOT work. I was not impressed by the checks on bins which took place, from memory on the Monday following the incident. So I followed up what happens to the refuse. It goes to a central site at Porto de Lagos (which is nowhere near Lagos). At that site it is picked through in detail to strip out toxic waste that cannot go into landfill. The 2007 figures for Portugal and the Algarve show the site was working perfectly.
The weakness of the front end checks, in Luz, at https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/body-disposal-the-wheelie-bins-prosecution-case/
The strength of the rear end check, in Porto de Lagos at https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/body-disposal-the-wheelie-bins-defence-case/
Feel free to cut and paste from the articles, criticise or whatever.
It is EXTREMELY unlikely that Madeleine ended up in a wheelie bin in the western Algarve.
I cannot give a view on other locations.
The following is both off-topic and possibly inflammatory, and I have to say I have NOT researched this in any detail. In the Cipriano case, body disposal was by putting the body (dismembered?) into a fridge, placing the fridge in the rear or boot of a car, driving said car to Spain to an undisclosed car disposal site, and having the car crushed. (Hopefully, I have got the gist right, if not the detail.)
I am not interested in the Cipriano case. If YOU are, you may wish to look up how scrap cars had to be treated in Spain at the time, and how refrigerators had to be disposed of in Spain at the time. On a believability scale of 0 to 10, this tale is screaming a perfect zero at me, but hey, I have been wrong many a time before.
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In the early hours of the morning of the 4th.
it was on main road to beach and we were woken at 6am with bins getting emptied, we knew it was 6am as when they finished emptying them the Church bells chimed , this was just about every morning.
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g776012-d229314-r77081258-Luz_Ocean_Club-Luz_Faro_District_Algarve.html
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A possibility that has yet to be debunked.
And how lovely that it is being discussed on a thread about the McCanns' poignant tribute to their missing daughter, a daughter you believe they dearly loved but who they casually tossed in a dustbin when she inconveniently died on them. Nice.
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Which scenario are you working through?
Amaral's scenario was that Madeleine died accidentally on 3 May 2007, probably around Gerry's visit, and then was discovered, presumably by Kate at 10pm.
This gives Kate (not Gerry) mere minutes to work out the method of disposal of a body and to implement it.
No, body placed in a bin does NOT work. I was not impressed by the checks on bins which took place, from memory on the Monday following the incident. So I followed up what happens to the refuse. It goes to a central site at Porto de Lagos (which is nowhere near Lagos). At that site it is picked through in detail to strip out toxic waste that cannot go into landfill. The 2007 figures for Portugal and the Algarve show the site was working perfectly.
The weakness of the front end checks, in Luz, at https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/body-disposal-the-wheelie-bins-prosecution-case/
The strength of the rear end check, in Porto de Lagos at https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/body-disposal-the-wheelie-bins-defence-case/
Feel free to cut and paste from the articles, criticise or whatever.
It is EXTREMELY unlikely that Madeleine ended up in a wheelie bin in the western Algarve.
I cannot give a view on other locations.
The following is both off-topic and possibly inflammatory, and I have to say I have NOT researched this in any detail. In the Cipriano case, body disposal was by putting the body (dismembered?) into a fridge, placing the fridge in the rear or boot of a car, driving said car to Spain to an undisclosed car disposal site, and having the car crushed. (Hopefully, I have got the gist right, if not the detail.)
I am not interested in the Cipriano case. If YOU are, you may wish to look up how scrap cars had to be treated in Spain at the time, and how refrigerators had to be disposed of in Spain at the time. On a believability scale of 0 to 10, this tale is screaming a perfect zero at me, but hey, I have been wrong many a time before.
I'd like to see Faithlilly argue hard for her dearly beloved theory with you now, but somehow I don't think that's going to happen. Instead, the above will be ignored and the dearly beloved theory will continue to be clutched firmly to the heartless bosom! @)(++(*
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I don't think that was the case in the first days/weeks after the 3rd, and so doesn't explain why Mrs. Murat set up a 'place' for locals who were scared to contact the PJ themselves to leave any info they may have. IMO it was because they were scared of being implicated in the crime themselves by the PJ - and so were taking no chances. I'm not thinking here of the ex pats, but the indigenous locals.
Was it a case of a the PJ's 'reputation' going before them? If there was another reason I would be interested to hear it.
I also think it is natural for the Portuguese people to hope that it was not 'one of their own' who committed this crime - and so they would be far more likely to be influenced by the smear campaign conducted in the PJ media against the 'McCanns and their friends. Again - that is just human nature IMO.
Oops - Sorry SiL - I posted the above before I read your post in reply to mine.
There seems to be a culture here of keeping one's head down. This applies to both ex-pats and locals.
Here is a small, true story.
A person walking in the area came across another individual who had fallen over, cracked his head on the pavement, and was bleeding profusely from the head wound.
So our hero (or heroine) did the right thing and dialled emergency services, 112, and asked to speak to someone in English.
The hero reported the situation. Head wound, person unconscious, lots of blood, could an ambulance be sent. The respondent asked for the hero's name and address. Was the hero related to the person with the head wound? No? Why was the unrelated hero phoning about someone who had fallen over in the street?
Let me repeat. This story is true, it happened. AFAIK, no ambulance was ever dispatched. The person recovered consciousness, got up, seemed OK, and wandered homeward.
The folks who were here in Luz in 2007, whether ex-pats or locals, had been through years of such bureaucracy.
Take from Mrs Murat's actions what you will. Having experienced Portugal, I can only say that to me it makes perfect sense. It surprises me that the PJ did a number of informal interviews in the very first days. Those are the exceptions.
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Which scenario are you working through?
Amaral's scenario was that Madeleine died accidentally on 3 May 2007, probably around Gerry's visit, and then was discovered, presumably by Kate at 10pm.
This gives Kate (not Gerry) mere minutes to work out the method of disposal of a body and to implement it.
No, body placed in a bin does NOT work. I was not impressed by the checks on bins which took place, from memory on the Monday following the incident. So I followed up what happens to the refuse. It goes to a central site at Porto de Lagos (which is nowhere near Lagos). At that site it is picked through in detail to strip out toxic waste that cannot go into landfill. The 2007 figures for Portugal and the Algarve show the site was working perfectly.
The weakness of the front end checks, in Luz, at https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/body-disposal-the-wheelie-bins-prosecution-case/
The strength of the rear end check, in Porto de Lagos at https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/body-disposal-the-wheelie-bins-defence-case/
Feel free to cut and paste from the articles, criticise or whatever.
It is EXTREMELY unlikely that Madeleine ended up in a wheelie bin in the western Algarve.
I cannot give a view on other locations.
The following is both off-topic and possibly inflammatory, and I have to say I have NOT researched this in any detail. In the Cipriano case, body disposal was by putting the body (dismembered?) into a fridge, placing the fridge in the rear or boot of a car, driving said car to Spain to an undisclosed car disposal site, and having the car crushed. (Hopefully, I have got the gist right, if not the detail.)
I am not interested in the Cipriano case. If YOU are, you may wish to look up how scrap cars had to be treated in Spain at the time, and how refrigerators had to be disposed of in Spain at the time. On a believability scale of 0 to 10, this tale is screaming a perfect zero at me, but hey, I have been wrong many a time before.
I don't agree with Amaral. If a death occurred it was earlier than he thought imo. If a body was in a bin it could have been missed by the sorters, I suppose. What a great job they have! Yuk! do you know how they do it? By hand?
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I don't agree with Amaral. If a death occurred it was earlier than he thought imo. If a body was in a bin it could have been missed by the sorters, I suppose. What a great job they have! Yuk! do you know how they do it? By hand?
In those days I think it was mainly by hand, with a large number of people doing it.
I looked up the stats for female UK children aged 4. (Google ShiningInLuz plus Madeleine by height or Madeleine by weight for details). The McCanns both made Madeleine 90cm tall. The official stats make Madeleine, assuming she was very small for her age, over one metre and weighing 12kg to 16kg.
There is a ludicrously simple explanation for the McCanns making her 90cm. Take 3ft. Multiply 36 inches by 2.5cm/inch (nearly right, just not near enough) and bang, out comes 90cm.
Look up her M&S pyjamas in the PJ files. They were for 3-4 year olds, so she should have been growing out of them. They were 97cm.
So - the law required the removal of all toxic waste prior to landfill - western Algarve can be proved to be doing this in 2007 - and Maddie was a big package. She did not go into landfill around here.
As it happens, the site has fewer people working nowadays because they employ more technology to sort the sh*t before the workers go in by hand.