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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Myster on November 24, 2015, 01:27:27 PM
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I won't be buying any new book which promises not one, but two new pieces of evidence, never before revealed (where have I read that recently?). We were diddled with the latest effort that got us all excited about an explosive revelation but which turned out to be a damp squib.
Do you subscribe to the two shooter theory, Caroline?
I take it you won't be involved with research on this latest SL one?
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I won't be buying any new book which promises not one, but two new pieces of evidence, never before revealed (where have I read that recently?). We were diddled with the latest effort that got us all excited about an explosive revelation but which turned out to be a damp squib.
Do you subscribe to the two shooter theory, Caroline?
I take it you won't be involved with research on this latest SL one?
I'm not sure about the two shooter theory BUT, I wouldn't rule it out. However, if Sheila was involved, then I think it was a passive role - I don't believe she shot anyone.
I don't think SL would be asking for my help any time soon - then his book would most certainly be a different format!
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I'm not sure about the two shooter theory BUT, I wouldn't rule it out. However, if Sheila was involved, then I think it was a passive role - I don't believe she shot anyone.
I don't think SL would be asking for my help any time soon - then his book would most certainly be a different format!
I gave some serious thought to Sheila also being involved after reading the book, and like you concluded that if she was, it would be in a minor role - unlocking the back door, then being told to wait in the lounge or in her room say, while the first stage kicked off in the main bedroom. If Bamber had relied on his sister firing accurately in half-light, there would have been every chance of his plan going pear-shaped, which it almost did even when he was working alone. And if Sheila was as depressed as it seems she might have been - silent on the trip from London with Colin; sounding like a zombie on the phone; disappointed and upset by her mum and dad wanting the twins to move nearer WHF (if that argument ever took place), plus the drowsiness induced by Haldol, then maybe she might have been more easily persuaded by her brother to end it all and the reason why there was so little resistance from her.
On the other hand, Bamber was probably having a DeFeo moment when telling a tall tale to his prison boyfriend. Or maybe it's just make-believe by the latter.
SL might be considering a volte-face like Bob Woofinden, particularly as Bamber isn't going to preview his book.
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I gave some serious thought to Sheila also being involved after reading the book, and like you concluded that if she was, it would be in a minor role - unlocking the back door, then being told to wait in the lounge or in her room say, while the first stage kicked off in the main bedroom. If Bamber had relied on his sister firing accurately in half-light, there would have been every chance of his plan going pear-shaped, which it almost did even when he was working alone. And if Sheila was as depressed as it seems she might have been - silent on the trip from London with Colin; sounding like a zombie on the phone; disappointed and upset by her mum and dad wanting the twins to move nearer WHF (if that argument ever took place), plus the drowsiness induced by Haldol, then maybe she might have been more easily persuaded by her brother to end it all and the reason why there was so little resistance from her.
On the other hand, Bamber was probably having a DeFeo moment when telling a tall tale to his prison boyfriend. Or maybe it's just make-believe by the latter.
SL might be considering a volte-face like Bob Woofinden, particularly as Bamber isn't going to preview his book.
Or maybe it was just another 'anonymous' letter PH just happened to recieve on the sparsely populated island. 8)-)))
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I don't believe for a moment that Sheila would have agreed to anything which would see her adoptive parents and twin sons murdered. Suggesting Sheila was the shooter because of some sort of temporary insanity is one thing but conniving in some sort of audacious plan to wipe out her nearest and dearest is simply something the blue forum would dream up and frankly, highly unlikely.
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The 2 shooter theory is stupid.
1) There would have been 2 different guns used if 2 different shooters. 2 shooters sharing the same wepaon renders it pointless to have 2 shooters.
2) There was no need for 2 shooters and no way Jeremy would try to recruit someone to help him who in turn could end up screwing up his entire plan. If the person he tried to recruit to help balked and told others of his proposition then this would prevent him from being able to follow through. He would have to say it was a joke or the person was a lair and it would effectively end any ability to go ahead because he would be suspected.
It is quite clear he carried out the murders alone. The notion Sheila was a second shooter is ESPECIALLY stupid. The whole reason we know Sheila wasn't involved is because a lack of physical evidence that would have been on her body had she loaded and fired a weapon or beaten Nevill. If she were involved she would have had evidence on her body and clothing. The notion that Jeremy framed her for killing everyone and yet allowed her to change her clothing and wash up before he killed her and he took her clothing away and disposed of it is ludicrous. He would have made sure she didn't wash up and didn't change so that there would be additional evidence to support his frame job.
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I agree Scipio, at the end of the day one has to follow the hard evidence.
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I don't believe for a moment that Sheila would have agreed to anything which would see her adoptive parents and twin sons murdered. Suggesting Sheila was the shooter because of some sort of temporary insanity is one thing but conniving in some sort of audacious plan to wipe out her nearest and dearest is simply something the blue forum would dream up and frankly, highly unlikely.
I agree, unless SC was in some altered state of mind imo she would not have taken part in any shape or form. I haven't seen anyone suggest otherwise other than the person PH claims sent him the 'anonymous' letter!
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I agree, unless SC was in some altered state of mind imo she would not have taken part in any shape or form. I haven't seen anyone suggest otherwise other than the person PH claims sent him the 'anonymous' letter!
Actually that's not true I just remembered Myster thinks SC may have played a minor role eg unlocking door.
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Actually that's not true I just remembered Myster thinks SC may have played a minor role eg unlocking door.
I don't believe Sheila culpable to any degree.
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Actually that's not true I just remembered Myster thinks SC may have played a minor role eg unlocking door.
He knew how to enter through the windows. He had no need to tell Sheila his plan and hope she would not rat him out but rather would keep it a secret and agree to help him by unlocking a door. Those who suggest she helped ignore that he didn't need her and would not run the risk of her being horrified by his plan and telling people of it.
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He knew how to enter through the windows. He had no need to tell Sheila his plan and hope she would not rat him out but rather would keep it a secret and agree to help him by unlocking a door. Those who suggest she helped ignore that he didn't need her and would not run the risk of her being horrified by his plan and telling people of it.
Why dont you direct your post at Myster who made the suggestion?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6814.msg288874#msg288874
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Why dont you direct your post at Myster who made the suggestion?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6814.msg288874#msg288874
I am sure Myster is capable of reading without needing any special invitation.
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I am sure Myster is capable of reading without needing any special invitation.
Caroline and Myster both said in posts SC may have played a "passive" (Caroline) "minor" (Myster) role. John and myself said we did not think SC took part with JB (thread entitled "Were Sheila and Jeremy both involved" so why was your response aimed at me when basically I agree with you ie SC and JB were not involved together.
Obviously you can respond to my posts but there's no requirement for me to respond and if you keep following me around the forum I will simply place you on ignore. Since your ban on Blue and return to Red you have made a total of 71 posts of which 46 have been directed at me. That's some 65% and shows an unhealthy interest
tantamount to stalking. The remaining 25 posts have been spread across a range of posters with no one poster featuring more than twice. %56&
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He knew how to enter through the windows. He had no need to tell Sheila his plan and hope she would not rat him out but rather would keep it a secret and agree to help him by unlocking a door. Those who suggest she helped ignore that he didn't need her and would not run the risk of her being horrified by his plan and telling people of it.
It's not a case of getting in or out - but having someone on the inside to help control the situation would have been an advantage and it explains how Sheila seemed to remain passive without putting up a fight.
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It's not a case of getting in or out - but having someone on the inside to help control the situation would have been an advantage and it explains how Sheila seemed to remain passive without putting up a fight.
He didn't need anyone to help control the situation, that is why he attacked while they were sleeping. You attack people in bed precisely because that is when they are the easiest targets.
35 Remington is a large caliber with a loud report. He had no moderator. DeFeo shot his parents 4 times. No one got out of bed. He next went to his youngest sister and shot her. She had her eyes open so was awake but didn't appreciate what happened enough to get out of bed and was killed with her head on the pillow still. His brothers were killed next and though her room was right next door they didn't wake up. After these 7 shots the gun was empty. At that point his other sister got up. She didn't know what the noise was that had woken her up she heard the dog barking though. She looked down into the hallway and asked is that you Ron and he said yes go back to sleep. She didn't realize it was gunshots that woke her and went back to bed. This was quite unfortunate because he was able to reload the weapon then go into her room and shoot her in bed too.
You you have to be fully awake and then hear gunshots to appreciate that is what you heard. Most people just go back to sleep and if they hear their dog bark they often will ignore that and go back to sleep and just hope the dog stops. It takes a while before most will actually get up to silence their dog. Unless you live in a bad area in which case you run to make sure no intruders are around. It takes something like that for people to usually pay heed. There are cases where there were fires and yet dogs have had to basically drag their masters out of bed to get them to realize something is wrong.
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He didn't need anyone to help control the situation, that is why he attacked while they were sleeping. You attack people in bed precisely because that is when they are the easiest targets.
35 Remington is a large caliber with a loud report. He had no moderator. DeFeo shot his parents 4 times. No one got out of bed. He next went to his youngest sister and shot her. She had her eyes open so was awake but didn't appreciate what happened enough to get out of bed and was killed with her head on the pillow still. His brothers were killed next and though her room was right next door they didn't wake up. After these 7 shots the gun was empty. At that point his other sister got up. She didn't know what the noise was that had woken her up she heard the dog barking though. She looked down into the hallway and asked is that you Ron and he said yes go back to sleep. She didn't realize it was gunshots that woke her and went back to bed. This was quite unfortunate because he was able to reload the weapon then go into her room and shoot her in bed too.
You you have to be fully awake and then hear gunshots to appreciate that is what you heard. Most people just go back to sleep and if they hear their dog bark they often will ignore that and go back to sleep and just hope the dog stops. It takes a while before most will actually get up to silence their dog. Unless you live in a bad area in which case you run to make sure no intruders are around. It takes something like that for people to usually pay heed. There are cases where there were fires and yet dogs have had to basically drag their masters out of bed to get them to realize something is wrong.
It's a case of agreeing to disagree I'm afraid.
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It's a case of agreeing to disagree I'm afraid.
The documentary evidence is on my side though. It is common for people to not wake up until it is too late.