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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on January 26, 2016, 05:45:16 PM
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As we know Crispy, a shih-tzu dog, was June's pet. I have no idea if Crispy was male or female but I am going to assume male.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shih_Tzu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bbYtb2ItMg
I've taken all comments from CAL's book re Crispy as follows:
Page 6: "Crispy, an irascible shih-tzu known as 'the Pest', got under everyone's feet until he was shooed into his basket beside the Aga.
Page 144: "'My husband [AP] asked why Uncle Nevill didn't bring his labrador into the kitchen or into the house more often. Uncle Nevill said that the labrador and Auntie June's dog did not get on too well when Jeremy said, "Why don't you shoot the Pest"'? Jeremy detested Crispy, his mother's spirited shih tzu, and much preferred Bruce the labrador, who was a yard dog."
Page 152: "Len Foakes saw Sheila and one of the boys walking along Pages Lane with Crispy at half-past twelve".
Page 154: "Sometime after six, Katherine Golding was cycling home to Wycke Cottage and passed June and the twins with Crispy at the garden gate".
Page 158: "Each evening he would walk both dogs, Crispy and Bruce, around the front lawn before bed. Afterwards, Bruce would be settled in the barn on the far side of the kitchen yard while Crispy curled up for the night in the basket by the Aga or on a chair next to it. Both dogs were habitually alert to intruders. Crispy was variously described as 'very noisy', 'lively and always nipping at people's ankles' with a 'high-pitched yappy bark' that he used to good effect on callers.
Page 168: "Collins and Delgado began using a loud hailer to address Sheila. They attempted to make contact with the house for approximately two hours, but the only response was Crispy, yapping frantically inside the property"
Page 181: "A relief officer approached with Crispy in his arms. Jeremy eyed his mother's dog and declared: 'I hate that f*****g thing.' He suggested the dogs should go with them but Jeremy shook his head: 'I can't take them to my house, it's too small and I've got some very expensive furniture, I don't want them to ruin it. I'll have to get them put down.' When Jones remonstrated with him, he decided to take Crispy home and put Bruce in the barn.
Page 188: "They [AE and JB] went through to the lounge, where Crispy scrambled onto her knee" [AE].
Page 189: "Crispy kept clambering onto everyone's laps and Jeremy remarked: 'If only dogs could talk'".
Page 207: "Jeremy and Julie returned to Bourtree Cottage shortly before a vet arrived to put Crispy to sleep. 'I know that Jeremy had asked a number of his family if they would like the dog but none wanted it,' Julie recalled. Jeremy told the vet that the dog had been very attached to his mother and had turned a bit nasty since the killings.
More to follow shortly....
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From the CoA hearing:
27. At 3.35 a.m., Mr Bonnet arranged for a police car to go to White House Farm. A check made by a British Telecom operator of the telephone line to the farm was made at 4.30 a.m. The receiver was off the hook and all the operator could hear was the sound of a dog barking.
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CAL's book:
Page 29: "Of all the presents Sheila received over the years, the one she appreciated most was a shih-tzu puppy for her tenth birthday in 1967. She named him Sweepy and was devoted to the little dog. Animals were always her great love; Colin recalls that she was wonderful with them and would invent voices and even languages for her pets.
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I was looking for the police officer's WS who recovered Crispy from under the bed and placed him temporarily in the wardrobe to prevent him disturbing the SoC but I don't have time to find it now. Anyway
1. If the BT tel op heard crispy barking through the handset at circa 4.30am it stands to reason he must have been in the kitchen post murders. He was found in the main bedroom under the bed. It appears then he must have entered the kitchen on at least one occasion post murders and yet no blood, sugar or glass were found elsewhere transferred under his paws &%+((£
2. A police officer who found him under the main bed placed him in a wardrobe to prevent him disturbing the SoC and yet at this point he had been potentially roaming around unfettered for some 4/5 hours. Given post #1 and the fact he seems to have had a tendency to jump up on laps did he interfere with SC/rifle?
3. Did he push bible and/or casings around with his nose?
http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,3016,00.html
http://www.nj.com/hunterdon-county-democrat/index.ssf/2014/06/dimond_her_dogs_paw_prints_pun.html
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I was looking for the police officer's WS who recovered Crispy from under the bed and placed him temporarily in the wardrobe to prevent him disturbing the SoC but I don't have time to find it now. Anyway
1. If the BT tel op heard crispy barking through the handset at circa 4.30am it stands to reason he must have been in the kitchen post murders. He was found in the main bedroom under the bed. It appears then he must have entered the kitchen on at least one occasion post murders and yet no blood, sugar or glass were found elsewhere transferred under his paws &%+((£
2. A police officer who found him under the main bed placed him in a wardrobe to prevent him disturbing the SoC and yet at this point he had been potentially roaming around unfettered for some 4/5 hours. Given post #1 and the fact he seems to have had a tendency to jump up on laps did he interfere with SC/rifle?
3. Did he push bible and/or casings around with his nose?
http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,3016,00.html
http://www.nj.com/hunterdon-county-democrat/index.ssf/2014/06/dimond_her_dogs_paw_prints_pun.html
Most dogs don't like metal and don't try to pick up metal objects.
Aside form the fact dogs stay away from dead things as opposed to sitting on the, a dog could at most knock a rifle off a body not stick it on a body. Crispy was small not a big dog anyway.
Crispy could have been in another room and still be heard barking over the phone but under the bed would be too far away most likely. Some small dogs do bark very loud so who knows. We had Lhasa Apsos and Shih Tzus that people thought they were big dogs till they actually saw them. "Bandit" the Shih Tzu was as loud as a German Shepard. He used to trade barks with a German Shepard that lived at the corner of the block (5 houses were in between them)
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Page 189: "Crispy kept clambering onto everyone's laps and Jeremy remarked: 'If only dogs could talk'".
If only they could! Jeremy Bamber even suggested in his police statement that Crispy fired the second shot.
Re the dog.
The dog, a Shih Tzu bitch affectionately named 'Crispy' was known to be a lively, affectionate and loving dog , who was especially fond of Sheila and the twin boys. She was found cowering and shivering underneath the bed in the main bedroom where June and Sheila's bodies were found. She was the only living thing to emerge alive from White House Farm on the morning of 7th August 1985.
She was placed into the care of Jeremy Bamber the morning the murders were discovered. He angrily and callously retorted when offered the dog (we know this to be true because stunned policemen present actually heard him), "I don't want that bloody thing in my house, he might chew all my wiring of my stereo system". Soon after the dog was either shot by Bamber or taken to be put down elsewhere. (I cannot confirm)
Such was the callous indifference this monster displayed towards this poor creature. There were suggestions that Farm Secretary, Barbara Wilson had volunteered to 'adopt' Crispy, but Bamber ignored her.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=919.msg34337#msg34337
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A vet visited Bourtree Cottage to euthanise Crispy, according to CAL. Julie Mugford said Jeremy asked the rest of the family if they wanted the dog, but no-one volunteered (J.M. - 18 November 1985 w/s).
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A vet visited Bourtree Cottage to euthanise Crispy, according to CAL. Julie Mugford said Jeremy asked the rest of the family if they wanted the dog, but no-one volunteered (J.M. - 18 November 1985 w/s).
Poor little mite, the sixth victim.
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Most dogs don't like metal and don't try to pick up metal objects.
Aside form the fact dogs stay away from dead things as opposed to sitting on the, a dog could at most knock a rifle off a body not stick it on a body. Crispy was small not a big dog anyway.
Crispy could have been in another room and still be heard barking over the phone but under the bed would be too far away most likely. Some small dogs do bark very loud so who knows. We had Lhasa Apsos and Shih Tzus that people thought they were big dogs till they actually saw them. "Bandit" the Shih Tzu was as loud as a German Shepard. He used to trade barks with a German Shepard that lived at the corner of the block (5 houses were in between them)
Dog bowls are often made of metal:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=metal+dog+bowl&tag=hydrukspg-21&index=aps&hvadid=37582983137&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3148135366925571634&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=m&ref=pd_sl_7xsdi1yqrd_e
Bridget Jones feared dying alone and being eaten by Alsatians.
There have been many reported cases where the elderly have been found dead with their pet dogs curled up by their side. Worse still if deceased dog owners are left in a locked property for many days pets have eaten part of the corpse.
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The chances are Crispy was roaming around the property. He was heard by the tel op and found under the bed in the main bedroom. Given the blood, sugar and glass on the kitchen floor and the blood on the floor in the main bedroom why no transfer of debris and/or paw prints in blood?
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Dog bowls are often made of metal:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=metal+dog+bowl&tag=hydrukspg-21&index=aps&hvadid=37582983137&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3148135366925571634&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=m&ref=pd_sl_7xsdi1yqrd_e (http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=metal+dog+bowl&tag=hydrukspg-21&index=aps&hvadid=37582983137&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3148135366925571634&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=m&ref=pd_sl_7xsdi1yqrd_e)
Bridget Jones feared dying alone and being eaten by Alsatians.
There have been many reported cases where the elderly have been found dead with their pet dogs curled up by their side. Worse still if deceased dog owners are left in a locked property for many days pets have eaten part of the corpse.
That's true... my last dog had a stainless steel water bowl and would nudge and rattle it for a refill when empty.
A woman who lived not far away from me was partially eaten by her dog when she died and wasn't discovered for several days. They're not too choosy what's on the menu when starving, and usually go for soft exposed parts such as the face first. Horrifying for anyone to discover.
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I've found the ref to a police officer placing Crispy in the wardrobe to protect the integrity of the SoC. It was actually in CAL's book (P174). It might well be in PC Collins WS but it's unavailable here so I can't confirm:
"From under the bed came a whimper; tentatively, Collins moved aside the eiderdown and saw June's little brown and white dog quivering with terror. To protect the crime scene, the traumatized animal was deposited inside the main wardrobe".
Hmmm....so what about the crime scene that Crispy had unfettered access to for around 4/5 hours?
- Why wasn't any debris transferred from kitchen to elsewhere under his paws eg glass and sugar?
- Why were there no paw prints from blood in kitchen and bedroom?
- Can it be assumed the glass and sugar if on the kitchen floor prior to the raid team entering was restricted to a small area of the kitchen hence neither SC or Crispy transferred elsewhere?
- Can the same be said for any blood? Dr Vanezis (CAL P322) "Pathologist Dr Vanezis explains that the area of marking and porousness of the carpet should be taken into account: 'An expert on blood spatter might tell you that small spots of blood on the carpet won't transfer so easily, particularly if it's more or less dried".
- If Crispy jumped up on SC, either fully or partially, or his fur rubbed against her skin/nightdress he might have removed all or some GSR?
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I've found the ref to a police officer placing Crispy in the wardrobe to protect the integrity of the SoC. It was actually in CAL's book (P174). It might well be in PC Collins WS but it's unavailable here so I can't confirm:
"From under the bed came a whimper; tentatively, Collins moved aside the eiderdown and saw June's little brown and white dog quivering with terror. To protect the crime scene, the traumatized animal was deposited inside the main wardrobe".
Hmmm....so what about the crime scene that Crispy had unfettered access to for around 4/5 hours?
- Why wasn't any debris transferred from kitchen to elsewhere under his paws eg glass and sugar?
- Why were there no paw prints from blood in kitchen and bedroom?
- Can it be assumed the glass and sugar if on the kitchen floor prior to the raid team entering was restricted to a small area of the kitchen hence neither SC or Crispy transferred elsewhere?
- Can the same be said for any blood? Dr Vanezis (CAL P322) "Pathologist Dr Vanezis explains that the area of marking and porousness of the carpet should be taken into account: 'An expert on blood spatter might tell you that small spots of blood on the carpet won't transfer so easily, particularly if it's more or less dried".
- If Crispy jumped up on SC, either fully or partially, or his fur rubbed against her skin/nightdress he might have removed all or some GSR?
GSR is hard to remove from hair and clothing it stays there until the clothing or hair is thoroughly washed that is why the FBI says it is the ideal place to look if you think the person washed their hands or had much activity. Quite obviously if they changed their clothes though and police can't find them than they are SOL.
Crispy probably did not walk through much blood or evidence. Even silenced gunshots scare the crap out of dogs let alone the rest of it. Isn't a wardrobe a cabinet essentially where you hang up clothes? I don't know how that would calm down a dog, locking a dog in a small enclosure usually does the opposite especially if it is dark and they can's see anything.
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I've found the ref to a police officer placing Crispy in the wardrobe to protect the integrity of the SoC. It was actually in CAL's book (P174). It might well be in PC Collins WS but it's unavailable here so I can't confirm:
"From under the bed came a whimper; tentatively, Collins moved aside the eiderdown and saw June's little brown and white dog quivering with terror. To protect the crime scene, the traumatized animal was deposited inside the main wardrobe".
Hmmm....so what about the crime scene that Crispy had unfettered access to for around 4/5 hours?
- Why wasn't any debris transferred from kitchen to elsewhere under his paws eg glass and sugar?
- Why were there no paw prints from blood in kitchen and bedroom?
- Can it be assumed the glass and sugar if on the kitchen floor prior to the raid team entering was restricted to a small area of the kitchen hence neither SC or Crispy transferred elsewhere?
- Can the same be said for any blood? Dr Vanezis (CAL P322) "Pathologist Dr Vanezis explains that the area of marking and porousness of the carpet should be taken into account: 'An expert on blood spatter might tell you that small spots of blood on the carpet won't transfer so easily, particularly if it's more or less dried".
- If Crispy jumped up on SC, either fully or partially, or his fur rubbed against her skin/nightdress he might have removed all or some GSR?
You're getting too Sherlock Holmesy... Crispy prolly remained upstairs throughout the event, running for cover when the shooting kicked off, only emerging to yap when he heard the police megaphone, then disappearing again under the bed when the TFU entered.
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You're getting too Sherlock Holmesy... Crispy prolly remained upstairs throughout the event, running for cover when the shooting kicked off, only emerging to yap when he heard the police megaphone, then disappearing again under the bed when the TFU entered.
But the BT tel op heard him yapping at 4.30am. I doubt she would hear him through the handset unless he was in the vicinity of the phone?
27. At 3.35 a.m., Mr Bonnet arranged for a police car to go to White House Farm. A check made by a British Telecom operator of the telephone line to the farm was made at 4.30 a.m. The receiver was off the hook and all the operator could hear was the sound of a dog barking.
Crispy slept downstairs in a basket near the Aga or on the kitchen chair.
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But the BT tel op heard him yapping at 4.30am. I doubt she would hear him through the handset unless he was in the vicinity of the phone?
27. At 3.35 a.m., Mr Bonnet arranged for a police car to go to White House Farm. A check made by a British Telecom operator of the telephone line to the farm was made at 4.30 a.m. The receiver was off the hook and all the operator could hear was the sound of a dog barking.
Crispy slept downstairs in a basket near the Aga or on the kitchen chair.
Why not?... distance from the landing to the kitchen isn't that great, and loud noises from a yapping dog upstairs would readily travel through the stairwell to phone receiver. The operator could have increased the standard volume she was hearing too. Crispy might have slept upstairs while Sheila and the twins were staying there... I pointed out what looks like a wood-framed dog bed and red woolen blanket with hairs on it in Sheila's room.
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Why not?... distance from the landing to the kitchen isn't that great, and loud noises from a yapping dog upstairs would readily travel through the stairwell to phone receiver. The operator could have increased the standard volume she was hearing too. Crispy might have slept upstairs while Sheila and the twins were staying there... I pointed out what looks like a wood-framed dog bed and red woolen blanket with hairs on it in Sheila's room.
I'll phone the landline with my mobile and carry out a sound test. The mouthpiece is designed to be held at the mouth so I would be surprised to learn it is able to pick up the sound of a dog barking beyond the kitchen.
Yes Crispy may have slept in SC's room. And NB may have slept in SC's room. And SC may have slept with June.
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I'm not sure what you're looking for from this thread, Holl. Crispy was only a little dog, so any pawmarks might not have been very obvious. Or important. IMO most dogs, even if running about in a mad panic, would try to avoid treading in wet blood or broken glass. I haven't read (in 5 years) that Crispy's paws were inspected (they would have to part the pads to look for sugar).
I find it very sad that no one wanted to take Crispy on afterwards, but not everyone is as soft as me. If you already have dogs, as other members of the family probably did, it might be difficult to introduce another dog who is a bit spoilt, yappy, attached to one person and set in it's ways into the mix, and not worth the hassle. I seriously doubt that Crispy had a tale (tail) to tell.
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I'll phone the landline with my mobile and carry out a sound test. The mouthpiece is designed to be held at the mouth so I would be surprised to learn it is able to pick up the sound of a dog barking beyond the kitchen.
Yes Crispy may have slept in SC's room. And NB may have slept in SC's room. And SC may have slept with June.
CAL P165 (Source Jean Rowe BT Phone Operator WS 8th Aug 1985)
"BT switchboard worker Jean Rowe checked the line at 3.42am and found the telephone was off the hook. She checked it again at 3.56am and listened to an open line: 'There wasn't any speech but I could hear a dog barking, the noise was loud so it appeared that the dog was near to the receiver'."
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Dogs cutting paws on glass:
http://www.pedigree.com/all-things-dog/article-library/treating-paw-pad-injuries.aspx
http://www.the-happy-dog-spot.com/dog-paw-injuries.html
http://www.dogster.com/doggie-style/at-home-first-aid-for-a-dog-paw-injury
I find it difficult to understand how the prosecution were able to argue had SC been the perp she would have tell tale signs of blood and/or debris on her feet when surely the same could be said of Crispy? As far as I am aware his paws were not checked which might have concealed any debris but what about paw prints in blood?
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CAL P165 (Source Jean Rowe BT Phone Operator WS 8th Aug 1985)
"BT switchboard worker Jean Rowe checked the line at 3.42am and found the telephone was off the hook. She checked it again at 3.56am and listened to an open line: 'There wasn't any speech but I could hear a dog barking, the noise was loud so it appeared that the dog was near to the receiver'."
My mom's Shih Tzu "Bandit" used to look out the living room window on the couch and bark. The living room was in the front of the house and kitchen in the back. A hall and several rooms separated them. If he barked people I was speaking with could hear him and thought he was nearby. That was even despite our talking. He may have been in a room near the kitchen not in it we have no way to know. If you hear total silence and just a dog barking you might incorrectly assume it is very close to the receiver when it is a room away.
Dogs bark when they are scared/something is wrong. When some dog are alone they are scared and will bark nonstop. A dog detecting everyone as dead after the trauma of hearing the gunshots can certainly be that way. if wet blood is everywhere then dogs can't avoid stepping in it but if there are not pools of wet blood that they can't avoid they often do avoid such.
People not just animals have been known to eat people when left for many days with nothing to eat. That really has little bearing on the issue at hand of Crispy stuck there alone for 5 hours. Animals understand death and other things more than we often give them credit for. They somehow know when it will snow before it does without the benefit of meteorologists who are always wrong (this weekend we got 33 inches though they predicted 6-8 the night before) and they are tuned into other things in ways we can't appreciate at all.
When I was a child my mom's poodle died and our German Shepard who loved her (she hated him except when she was in heat) would not go anywhere near her body. When he died I tried to show his body to our other dog so she could see he was gone but she fought to get out of my arms and stayed as far away as possible. They can sense and appreciate death from a distance.
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Dogs cutting paws on glass:
http://www.pedigree.com/all-things-dog/article-library/treating-paw-pad-injuries.aspx
http://www.the-happy-dog-spot.com/dog-paw-injuries.html
http://www.dogster.com/doggie-style/at-home-first-aid-for-a-dog-paw-injury
I find it difficult to understand how the prosecution were able to argue had SC been the perp she would have tell tale signs of blood and/or debris on her feet when surely the same could be said of Crispy? As far as I am aware his paws were not checked which might have concealed any debris but what about paw prints in blood?
The killer had to pass through the glass while the dog could have entirely avoided that area. The killer was in that area beating and shooting Nevill and had to walk through it to get out of the kitchen. The dog could have gone no where near Nevill's body. If Nevill had bite marks on him you would have a better argument...
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My mom's Shih Tzu "Bandit" used to look out the living room window on the couch and bark. The living room was in the front of the house and kitchen in the back. A hall and several rooms separated them. If he barked people I was speaking with could hear him and thought he was nearby. That was even despite our talking. He may have been in a room near the kitchen not in it we have no way to know. If you hear total silence and just a dog barking you might incorrectly assume it is very close to the receiver when it is a room away.
Dogs bark when they are scared/something is wrong. When some dog are alone they are scared and will bark nonstop. A dog detecting everyone as dead after the trauma of hearing the gunshots can certainly be that way. if wet blood is everywhere then dogs can't avoid stepping in it but if there are not pools of wet blood that they can't avoid they often do avoid such.
People not just animals have been known to eat people when left for many days with nothing to eat. That really has little bearing on the issue at hand of Crispy stuck there alone for 5 hours. Animals understand death and other things more than we often give them credit for. They somehow know when it will snow before it does without the benefit of meteorologists who are always wrong (this weekend we got 33 inches though they predicted 6-8 the night before) and they are tuned into other things in ways we can't appreciate at all.
When I was a child my mom's poodle died and our German Shepard who loved her (she hated him except when she was in heat) would not go anywhere near her body. When he died I tried to show his body to our other dog so she could see he was gone but she fought to get out of my arms and stayed as far away as possible. They can sense and appreciate death from a distance.
I've just carried out a little test!
Laptop situated on kitchen top playing barking Shih Tzu. Phoned landline with mobile. Landline on floor below laptop. Went into garden so unable to hear laptop. Could hear dog barking loud and clear obvious it was very near. Moved landline about 10 feet away to another part of kitchen still clear. Moved landline to utility room about 20 feet away but with door open and the sound was noticeably different could still hear barking but sounded distant.
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Is that a typo and you mean snarky or is sarky a real word over there? Some of your words that I thought were fake are real so I never know...
Holly was being sarcastic (sarky) in reply to me... about Nevill sleeping in Sheila's room and Sheila sleeping with her mother, when she doesn't actually believe either happened.
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A Crispy stand-in, barking at the phone in a mock WHF kitchen. Not as loud as I thought...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7suFAX3RRM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7suFAX3RRM)
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I posted this clip in post #1:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6991.msg303154#msg303154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bbYtb2ItMg
She's quite loud! I used her in my test.
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I posted this clip in post #1:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6991.msg303154#msg303154 (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6991.msg303154#msg303154)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bbYtb2ItMg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bbYtb2ItMg)
She's quite loud! I used her in my test.
Must have missed that video. Cute dogs, aren't they?... much prettier than pugs ; - ) I can understand why women have them as substitute children when real ones have flown the nest.
As scipio said, if Crispy was in the kitchen, he/she could have avoided the blood pool by the scuttle, and there didn't appear to be very much elsewhere on the floor to get on his/her pads. Similarly he/she probably avoided stepping on any glass shards, or was lucky not to.
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Must have missed that video. Cute dogs, aren't they?... much prettier than pugs ; - ) I can understand why women have them as substitute children when real ones have flown the nest.
As scipio said, if Crispy was in the kitchen, he/she could have avoided the blood pool by the scuttle, and there didn't appear to be very much elsewhere on the floor to get on his/her pads. Similarly he/she probably avoided stepping on any glass shards, or was lucky not to.
Yes it looks adorable.
Yes I agree but surely the same could be said for SC? Those that believe SC guilty, including the prosecution at trial, emphasise the fact SC's feet were clean. Four small paws v two adult feet but surely it's all relative as Crispy would take more steps than SC?
d) Her hands and feet were clean. They were not blood stained and neither was there any sugar upon them;
Obviously we will never know Crispy's movements and location during the tragedy. It seems likely he was in the kitchen as heard by the tel op but he was found in the main bedroom and there's no evidence of paw prints from June's blood either. Again same applies to SC.
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I'm not sure what you're looking for from this thread, Holl. Crispy was only a little dog, so any pawmarks might not have been very obvious. Or important. IMO most dogs, even if running about in a mad panic, would try to avoid treading in wet blood or broken glass. I haven't read (in 5 years) that Crispy's paws were inspected (they would have to part the pads to look for sugar).
I find it very sad that no one wanted to take Crispy on afterwards, but not everyone is as soft as me. If you already have dogs, as other members of the family probably did, it might be difficult to introduce another dog who is a bit spoilt, yappy, attached to one person and set in it's ways into the mix, and not worth the hassle. I seriously doubt that Crispy had a tale (tail) to tell.
As you know I have no personal experience of dogs, although I could do after watching that cute Shih Tzu in the bath tub, so can only go on my observations of pet dogs belonging to friends and family. I appreciate Crispy's four paws are a smaller surface area than adult feet but even so the prosecution claim had SC carried out the murders and taken her own life blood would have been visible on her feet and yet if this was true surely there would be some trace of a paw print if Crispy was roaming around unfettered within the SoC? Personally I think the only area of substantial blood was by NB. The debris by way of sugar and glass may well have been restricted to a small area of the kitchen so that Crispy and the perp may have easily avoided. Blood on the kitchen floor, other than that by NB, was described as a "light distribution". AE claims EP apologised for not removing blood from the stairs but she says she was unable to identify any. Blood on the landing was restricted to two small spots. And blood on the main bedroom carpet although numerous spots may well have been absorbed and dried quickly as suggested by Dr Vanezis. In any event whether SC was perp or victim she ended up in close proximity to the blood spots in the main bedroom. Pause for thought &%+((£