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Title: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 06:37:20 PM
KATIE HOPKINS: We'll never know what really happened to Maddie but her parents should accept their share of the blame and let her go


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21st February 2016

I have never been allowed to say this before.

I’ve been given all sorts of reasons — people who are normally brutally honest with me fobbing me off, arguing I am not bringing anything new to the debate

It’s been a white-out, like the silence of snow.

But seeing the faces of Gerry and Kate McCann yet again this week, promoting the Child Rescue Alert Campaign to track down missing kids, I think it's finally time to speak out.

Kate McCann says she lives in a never-ending limbo.

But I believe the truth is that Madeleine McCann is never coming home.

She is long gone. It is time to stop looking and stop imagining there is some happy ending to this sorry tale. Enough.

There is no amount of money the will right the wrongs of the past, no libel action that will cancel out the damage the McCanns inflicted on themselves.

Kate and Gerry McCann didn't deserve £11million of our cash to look for Maddie or try to resolve their consciences or salvage reputations. Others have greater need.

If you really must blame someone, then Kate and Gerry are right there in front of you. And yet, protected by some invisible force-shield I don’t understand.

Show me a family from a council estate who left their child alone to go out eating and drinking who have been lauded with such support and the protection of the state.

Last year, a father of a two year old was arrested and prosecuted after leaving his daughter in a car for two minutes whilst he ran in to a chemist to buy Calpol.

Even our British broadcaster was in on the act. A Crimewatch Special in 2013 featuring new photo-fits of Maddie’s abductor failed to acknowledge that the McCanns had been sitting on these pictures for nearly five years.

Pictures compiled by their own investigation team whose report they later hid from view when it pointed the finger of blame in a direction Gerry didn't enjoy.

They left their child in an unlocked ground-floor apartment next to two busy roads. Too self-assured to hire a babysitter and too self-centred to care.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3457221/KATIE-HOPKINS-ll-never-know-really-happened-Maddy-parents-accept-share-blame-let-go.html#ixzz40pSSgg8i


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I rarely agree with Katie Hopkins, but she has put her head above the parapet, and it will be interesting to see if others follow her lead.

'There is no amount of money the will right the wrongs of the past, no libel action that will cancel out the damage the McCanns inflicted on themselves.'

'Kate and Gerry McCann didn't deserve £11million of our cash to look for Maddie or try to resolve their consciences or salvage reputations. Others have greater need.'

'If you really must blame someone, then Kate and Gerry are right there in front of you. And yet, protected by some invisible force-shield I don’t understand.


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Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 06:44:55 PM
I rarely agree with Katie Hopkins, but she has put her head above the parapet, and it will be interesting to see if others follow her lead.

'There is no amount of money the will right the wrongs of the past, no libel action that will cancel out the damage the McCanns inflicted on themselves.'

'Kate and Gerry McCann didn't deserve £11million of our cash to look for Maddie or try to resolve their consciences or salvage reputations. Others have greater need.'

'If you really must blame someone, then Kate and Gerry are right there in front of you. And yet, protected by some invisible force-shield I don’t understand.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3457221/KATIE-HOPKINS-ll-never-know-really-happened-Maddy-parents-accept-share-blame-let-go.html#ixzz40pSSgg8i
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I wonder if Carter Ruck will find anything in the article
Certainly hope so
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 21, 2016, 06:51:49 PM
Katie Hopkins!!!    she only says things to cause a stir for everyone to look at her.

It's riddled with errors too.  Silly woman
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 06:57:12 PM
Katie Hopkins!!!    she only says things to cause a stir for everyone to look at her.

It's riddled with errors too.  Silly woman

Cite the errors.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: misty on February 21, 2016, 06:57:44 PM
I rarely agree with Katie Hopkins, but she has put her head above the parapet, and it will be interesting to see if others follow her lead.

'There is no amount of money the will right the wrongs of the past, no libel action that will cancel out the damage the McCanns inflicted on themselves.'

'Kate and Gerry McCann didn't deserve £11million of our cash to look for Maddie or try to resolve their consciences or salvage reputations. Others have greater need.'

'If you really must blame someone, then Kate and Gerry are right there in front of you. And yet, protected by some invisible force-shield I don’t understand.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3457221/KATIE-HOPKINS-ll-never-know-really-happened-Maddy-parents-accept-share-blame-let-go.html#ixzz40pSSgg8i
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It really makes you wonder why the Portuguese are pouring money down the pan, too, with their desperate financial situation. There's obviously no chance of them convicting the McCanns.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 06:59:34 PM
It really makes you wonder why the Portuguese are pouring money down the pan, too, with their desperate financial situation. There's obviously no chance of them convicting the McCanns.

Well you can have your fantasies of a return from nowhere by MADELEINE.

However, Ms. Hopkins has hit it right on the head for a change.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 21, 2016, 07:05:46 PM
Cite the errors.

Off the top of my head,   Cuddle Cat was not washed after five days it was weeks later when it was filthy and it didn't smell of Madeleine.

Another is a very important one where she says the McCann's sat on the phto fit of Smith man for almost five years,  they didn't it was given to the PJ.   Does she know that a newspaper  was sued for saying that?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 07:06:23 PM
I see the comments page is now filling in.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: faithlilly on February 21, 2016, 07:08:43 PM
I rarely agree with Katie Hopkins, but she has put her head above the parapet, and it will be interesting to see if others follow her lead.

'There is no amount of money the will right the wrongs of the past, no libel action that will cancel out the damage the McCanns inflicted on themselves.'

'Kate and Gerry McCann didn't deserve £11million of our cash to look for Maddie or try to resolve their consciences or salvage reputations. Others have greater need.'

'If you really must blame someone, then Kate and Gerry are right there in front of you. And yet, protected by some invisible force-shield I don’t understand.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3457221/KATIE-HOPKINS-ll-never-know-really-happened-Maddy-parents-accept-share-blame-let-go.html#ixzz40pSSgg8i
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It is interesting that the Mail, whose comments section is usually the most fiercely moderated, has allowed this opinion piece to be published.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 21, 2016, 07:09:57 PM
It is interesting that the Mail, whose comments section is usually the most fiercely moderated, has allowed this opinion piece to be published.
tide must be turning eh...? 8(0(*
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 07:10:43 PM
It is interesting that the Mail, whose comments section is usually the most fiercely moderated, has allowed this opinion piece to be published.


I thought so too.

Quite refreshing from all the pro mccann blurb.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: misty on February 21, 2016, 07:14:06 PM
Well you can have your fantasies of a return from nowhere by MADELEINE.

However, Ms. Hopkins has hit it right on the head for a change.
It is not my fantasy to have, Stephen. It is a hope for Madeleine's loved ones.
Neither you nor Ms Hopkins have any real idea as to what all the money has been spent on to date.
We can only hope there is a positive resolution allowing the release of much of the longed-for information.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 07:16:32 PM
It is not my fantasy to have, Stephen. It is a hope for Madeleine's loved ones.
Neither you nor Ms Hopkins have any real idea as to what all the money has been spent on to date.
We can only hope there is a positive resolution allowing the release of much of the longed-for information.

..and yet not one trace of her DESPITE THE ALMOST 9 YEAR WORLDWIDE PUBLICITY.

Sooner or later the mccann propaganda trail will come to an end.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 21, 2016, 07:18:02 PM
..and yet not one trace of her DESPITE THE ALMOST 9 YEAR WORLDWIDE PUBLICITY.

Sooner or later the mccann propaganda trail will come to an end.

You'll really be at a loss then Stephen,  what on earth will you do with your time.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 07:18:47 PM
Off the top of my head,   Cuddle Cat was not washed after five days it was weeks later when it was filthy and it didn't smell of Madeleine.

Another is a very important one where she says the McCann's sat on the phto fit of Smith man for almost five years,  they didn't it was given to the PJ.   Does she know that a newspaper  was sued for saying that?

that is the point on which she may well be sued
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 21, 2016, 07:19:52 PM
Pathetic alfred, but par for the course from you.

So what did Ms. Hopkins get wrong in her critique of the mccanns ?

That they sat on the photo fit for almost five years,  oh dear.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 07:26:14 PM
That they sat on the photo fit for almost five years,  oh dear.

So when was the photo fit made, and when was it released ?

Pray tell.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 07:28:08 PM
You'll really be at a loss then Stephen,  what on earth will you do with your time.

I've got plenty of things to occupy my time.

However, this appears to be your full time occupation .
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 07:29:30 PM
Now it would be interesting to see the mccanns try libel over cuddlecat. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 21, 2016, 07:35:01 PM
I wonder how much longer Kate McCann will remain an ambassador for Missing People and the CRA? She gets column inches, but the backlash after her latest media appeal should make them stop and think. The newspapers are allowing comments which are largely unfavourable, and now this article by Ms Hopkins.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: misty on February 21, 2016, 07:38:16 PM
Perhaps the woman who has spent much of the last 10 years smearing all & sundry is about to be brought crashing down in  spectacular fashion.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 07:43:01 PM
Perhaps the woman who has spent much of the last 10 years smearing all & sundry is about to be brought crashing down in  spectacular fashion.

could well be....looks like easy money for CR
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 07:43:27 PM
Perhaps the woman who has spent much of the last 10 years smearing all & sundry is about to be brought crashing down in  spectacular fashion.

Nope.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 07:58:22 PM
Nope.


we will see how long it remains on line
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 21, 2016, 07:58:39 PM
could well be....looks like easy money for CR

Can McCann still afford to retain them?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 21, 2016, 08:00:41 PM
Can McCann still afford to retain them?
Can Katie Hopkins afford to find out?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 08:01:39 PM
Can McCann still afford to retain them?

they would act on a no win no fee basis
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 21, 2016, 08:01:52 PM
Interesting.....so she wanted to say what she thought but wasn't allowed? Will others now break their silence I wonder?

I have never been allowed to say this before.
I’ve been given all sorts of reasons — people who are normally brutally honest with me fobbing me off, arguing I am not bringing anything new to the debate
It’s been a white-out, like the silence of snow.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3457221/KATIE-HOPKINS-ll-never-know-really-happened-Maddy-parents-accept-share-blame-let-go.html#ixzz40plhNk2n
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Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 21, 2016, 08:03:06 PM
There seems to be an assumption that KH will not have taken legal advice prior to her pronouncements. To paraphrase some on here that doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 08:04:50 PM
Interesting.....so she wanted to say what she thought but wasn't allowed? Will others now break their silence I wonder?

I have never been allowed to say this before.
I’ve been given all sorts of reasons — people who are normally brutally honest with me fobbing me off, arguing I am not bringing anything new to the debate
It’s been a white-out, like the silence of snow.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3457221/KATIE-HOPKINS-ll-never-know-really-happened-Maddy-parents-accept-share-blame-let-go.html#ixzz40plhNk2n
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I suppose Hopkins thinks that women who are raped bear some of the blame too? Not the perpetrator. Of which there is no mention in her 'story'. On a recent, excellent BBC show (The Moral Maze) this woman admitted she doesn't spend any time thinking through her opinions.

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Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 21, 2016, 08:06:28 PM


I suppose Hopkins thinks that women who are raped bear some of the blame too? Not the perpetrator. Of which there is no mention in her 'story'. On a recent, excellent BBC show (The Moral Maze) this woman admitted she doesn't spend any time thinking through her opinions.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3457221/KATIE-HOPKINS-ll-never-know-really-happened-Maddy-parents-accept-share-blame-let-go.html#ixzz40popF9sQ
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Genetic again
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 21, 2016, 08:06:43 PM
There seems to be an assumption that KH will not have taken legal advice prior to her pronouncements. To paraphrase some on here that doesn't make sense.

The McCanns go for the newspaper, not the journalist usually. Is the Mail taking a risk or is it confident about this story for some reason?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 21, 2016, 08:07:02 PM
Interesting that the Mail should run a McCann sob story earlier today (or yesterday) and then follow on the this one by Hopkins.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 08:11:09 PM
There seems to be an assumption that KH will not have taken legal advice prior to her pronouncements. To paraphrase some on here that doesn't make sense.

the same was said of the STs pair who had already lost one libel action
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 08:12:35 PM
The McCanns go for the newspaper, not the journalist usually. Is the Mail taking a risk or is it confident about this story for some reason?

Well bearing in mind the Mail's support for the mccanns in the past, has it finally shifted it's grounds, now the 'fund' is in decline.

Hopkins comments have gone viral on Twitter.

I haven't checked facebook, but it's probably a similar story on there.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 08:15:22 PM
The comments of support for Ms. Hopkins on the Mail comments are quite surprising and overwhelmingly in support of her.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 08:15:50 PM
Well bearing in mind the Mail's support for the mccanns in the past, has it finally shifted it's grounds, now the 'fund' is decline.

Hopkins comments have gone viral on Twitter.


then that explains her reasons for writing the article.....I feel it will backfire
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 21, 2016, 08:16:25 PM
Well bearing in mind the Mail's support for the mccanns in the past, has it finally shifted it's grounds, now the 'fund' is decline.

Hopkins comments have gone viral on Twitter.

The McCanns don't do twitter, do they, so will be dependent on Michael for their information.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 21, 2016, 08:17:55 PM

then that explains her reasons for writing the article.....I feel it will backfire

No doubt someone will start a fund if it does.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 21, 2016, 08:18:33 PM


I suppose Hopkins thinks that women who are raped bear some of the blame too? Not the perpetrator. Of which there is no mention in her 'story'. On a recent, excellent BBC show (The Moral Maze) this woman admitted she doesn't spend any time thinking through her opinions.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3457221/KATIE-HOPKINS-ll-never-know-really-happened-Maddy-parents-accept-share-blame-let-go.html#ixzz40popF9sQ
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Why are you quoting from the comments on her article? Was it your comment perchance?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 08:21:10 PM
' I have never found myself agreeing with Katie Hopkins but I do with every word she has written. I would not leave my purse lying on the bed in an apartment or a hotel on holiday let alone my children.'

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Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 08:25:54 PM
Why are you quoting from the comments on her article? Was it your comment perchance?

the comments refers to a comment she made about herself....it is not my comment
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 21, 2016, 08:35:18 PM
the comments refers to a comment she made about herself....it is not my comment

It is a comment made by an anonymous person in the 'comments' section below the article. This anonymous person alleges that she admitted to something when she appeared on The Moral Maze'. Unless you heard the programme or have a transcript you are simply perpetuating a rumour.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 08:37:47 PM
It is a comment made by an anonymous person in the 'comments' section below the article. This anonymous person alleges that she admitted to something when she appeared on The Moral Maze'. Unless you heard the programme or have a transcript you are simply perpetuating a rumour.

did I claim it was anything else...it is an interesting comment
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 08:46:32 PM
this is a good line...


Maddie wasn’t lost because someone took her. She was lost because she was left to be found



so she says Maddie was not abducted...she will struggle to prove that in a libel court
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 21, 2016, 08:48:48 PM
this is a good line...


Maddie wasn’t lost because someone took her. She was lost because she was left to be found


so she says Maddie was not abducted...she will struggle to prove that in a libel court

I think you will struggle with that one.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 08:49:47 PM
Some seem under the illusion that this will go to a libel court.

Mind you, that's all the mccanns are good for.

Certainly not taking proper care of their children in Portugal.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 08:51:29 PM
I think you will struggle with that one.

explain how I will struggle
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 21, 2016, 08:53:06 PM
explain how I will struggle

You have made an inference fro the sentence that you quoted that isn't there.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 08:53:24 PM
Some seem under the illusion that this will go to a libel court.

Mind you, that's all the mccanns are good for.

Certainly not taking proper care of their children in Portugal.

and you show you cannot read an d understand posts...it MAY go to the libel courts... I said the same about the times article and was proved right
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 08:54:33 PM
You have made an inference fro the sentence that you quoted that isn't there.


the sentence is there
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 08:58:51 PM
...lets see how long the article stays on line
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 09:00:39 PM
Excellent support for the article in the Mail comments.

There are a substantial number of right thinking people who support Hopkins in this.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 09:05:16 PM
Excellent support for the article in the Mail comments.

There are a substantial number of right thinking people who support Hopkins in this.

what evidence do you have that they are right thinking...none...waste of time asking for a cite as you never give one
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 21, 2016, 09:18:09 PM
wow stephen i woke p  and saw katie got published in the daily mail im shocked and pleased!!!!!!
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 09:20:26 PM
wow stephen i woke p  and saw katie got published in the daily mail im shocked and pleased!!!!!!

It's about time someone took a stand in the press against the sickly pro-mccann propaganda.

IMHO of course.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 21, 2016, 09:22:32 PM
It's about time someone took a stand in the vpress against the sickly pro-mccann propaganda.

IMHO of course.

the daily mail is a worldwide online newspaper  too
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 09:24:39 PM
It does make the people who claim mitchell controls the press look extremely stupid..

 @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 09:25:03 PM
the daily mail is a worldwide online newspaper  too

Indeed it is.


Likewise, so are the social media sites.

Grinding of teeth in Rothley Manor tonight. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 09:26:38 PM
Hopefully some very easy money for the fund
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 09:33:48 PM
The Mail comments section does show overwhelming backing for Katie Hopkins.

Excellent.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 21, 2016, 09:36:35 PM
Indeed it is.


Likewise, so are the social media sites.

Grinding of teeth in Rothley Manor tonight. 8)-)))

could this be why there was all these articles   all week?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 21, 2016, 09:36:57 PM
It surprises me that the Mail  allows comment on McCann articles, even if they are moderated.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 21, 2016, 09:37:44 PM
It surprises me that the Mail  allows comment on McCann articles, even if they are moderated.

maybe the  daily mail staff have had enouggh  of being  controlled and censored?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 09:38:24 PM
It surprises me that the Mail  allows comment on McCann articles, even if they are moderated.


to a certain extent it is only fair but I think they are going to regret it
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 09:39:31 PM
maybe the  daily mail staff have had enouggh  of being  controlled and censored?

I would think that the majority of the intelligent staff support the mccanns
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 09:40:35 PM
maybe the  daily mail staff have had enouggh  of being  controlled and censored?

They aren't the only ones in all likelihood.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 09:42:01 PM
They aren't the only ones in all likelihood.

according to your hero...R D HALL
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 21, 2016, 09:42:48 PM
They aren't the only ones in all likelihood.

i dont believe in censorship      the mcanns are  grown adults and bare   responsibility for the events of that  night
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 09:47:09 PM
i dont believe in censorship      the mcanns are  grown adults and bare   responsibility for the events of that  night

The McCann's have got away with having their own way far too long in the press.

So a lot of sour grapes from the supporters club tonight.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 21, 2016, 09:49:14 PM
The McCann's have got away with having their own way far too long in the press.

So a lot of sour grapes from the supporters club tonight.

from   the little i know about katie  she wouldnt be bothered with  what the mccans or supporters  think  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: misty on February 21, 2016, 09:51:36 PM
The McCann's have got away with having their own way far too long in the press.

So a lot of sour grapes from the supporters club tonight.

Actually, I think we're all quite enjoying the self-inflicted gun-shot wounds to the feet of Hall & Hopkins......
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 09:51:45 PM
The McCann's have got away with having their own way far too long in the press.

So a lot of sour grapes from the supporters club tonight.


there is no sour grapes... your evaluation is so wide of the mark you should never be allowed near a gun....I think its quite exciting and am looking forward to another libel case
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 09:52:31 PM
Actually, I think we're all quite enjoying the self-inflicted gun-shot wounds to the feet of Hall & Hopkins......


we certainly are...the public suicide of the odious hopkins
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 09:53:05 PM
from   the little i know about katie  she wouldnt be bothered with  what the mccans or supporters  think  @)(++(*

No she doesn't give a monkeys.

She has expressed her thanks to the Mail-on-line for supporting her in her article.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 09:53:44 PM
Actually, I think we're all quite enjoying the self-inflicted gun-shot wounds to the feet of Hall & Hopkins......

Who are you trying to kid Misty.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 09:55:32 PM
No she doesn't give a monkeys.

She has expressed her thanks to the Mail-on-line for supporting her in her article.


she doesn't give a monkeys because she is stupid and has not done her research....she could have written a scathing article and not committed libel...but of course from your previous posts you do not understand libel
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 10:02:55 PM
some posters are going to look very silly if the mcCanns sue...which they may well do
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 21, 2016, 10:12:02 PM
katie didnt  say anything      wrong  she   used facts fronm kates book etc  the truth hurts some people doesnt  it
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 10:14:53 PM
Best rated comment in favour of Hopkins...

6546 for

271 against.

Nice.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 21, 2016, 10:17:38 PM
Best rated comment in favour of Hopkins...

6546 for

271 against.

Nice.

speaks volumes doesnt it the  uk public doesnt live in fantasy land  like mcann supporters
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 10:19:17 PM
speaks volumes doesnt it the  uk public doesnt live in fantasy land  like mcann supporters

Well they do get a lot of support from their supporters.

I'll give them that.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 21, 2016, 10:21:58 PM
The McCanns can complain, threaten legal action and perhaps get another out of court  settlement. All they will gain is money, however. Anyone who thinks that no mud will stick is in cloud cuckoo land. Ms Hopkins has said she hasn't been allowed to express her opinion. She has more or less said there has been a 'white out' on the McCann story. Everyone knew that, but now she's confirmed it. She's savagely attacked their childcare arrangements;

Too self-assured to hire a babysitter and too self-centred to care.

she says they don't deserve £11M of our cash to;

look for Maddie or try to resolve their consciences or salvage reputations.....The McCanns put their own children in harm’s way. Those kids were in danger. Because of their parents.

she would ask Kate McCann;

How did you leave the daughter you longed to have?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3457221/KATIE-HOPKINS-ll-never-know-really-happened-Maddy-parents-accept-share-blame-let-go.html#ixzz40qNE1fzt
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Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 10:24:56 PM
The McCanns can complain, threaten legal action and perhaps get another out of court  settlement. All they will gain is money, however. Anyone who thinks that no mud will stick is in cloud cuckoo land. Ms Hopkins has said she hasn't been allowed to express her opinion. She has more or less said there has been a 'white out' on the McCann story. Everyone knew that, but now she's confirmed it. She's savagely attacked their childcare arrangements;

Too self-assured to hire a babysitter and too self-centred to care.

she says they don't deserve £11M of our cash to;

look for Maddie or try to resolve their consciences or salvage reputations.....The McCanns put their own children in harm’s way. Those kids were in danger. Because of their parents.

she would ask Kate McCann;

How did you leave the daughter you longed to have?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3457221/KATIE-HOPKINS-ll-never-know-really-happened-Maddy-parents-accept-share-blame-let-go.html#ixzz40qNE1fzt
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 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 10:25:10 PM
The McCanns can complain, threaten legal action and perhaps get another out of court  settlement. All they will gain is money, however. Anyone who thinks that no mud will stick is in cloud cuckoo land. Ms Hopkins has said she hasn't been allowed to express her opinion. She has more or less said there has been a 'white out' on the McCann story. Everyone knew that, but now she's confirmed it. She's savagely attacked their childcare arrangements;

Too self-assured to hire a babysitter and too self-centred to care.

she says they don't deserve £11M of our cash to;

look for Maddie or try to resolve their consciences or salvage reputations.....The McCanns put their own children in harm’s way. Those kids were in danger. Because of their parents.

she would ask Kate McCann;

How did you leave the daughter you longed to have?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3457221/KATIE-HOPKINS-ll-never-know-really-happened-Maddy-parents-accept-share-blame-let-go.html#ixzz40qNE1fzt
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so Katie Hopkins has confirmed it...don't make me laugh
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 21, 2016, 10:26:01 PM
The McCanns can complain, threaten legal action and perhaps get another out of court  settlement. All they will gain is money, however. Anyone who thinks that no mud will stick is in cloud cuckoo land. Ms Hopkins has said she hasn't been allowed to express her opinion. She has more or less said there has been a 'white out' on the McCann story. Everyone knew that, but now she's confirmed it. She's savagely attacked their childcare arrangements;

Too self-assured to hire a babysitter and too self-centred to care.

she says they don't deserve £11M of our cash to;

look for Maddie or try to resolve their consciences or salvage reputations.....The McCanns put their own children in harm’s way. Those kids were in danger. Because of their parents.

she would ask Kate McCann;

How did you leave the daughter you longed to have?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3457221/KATIE-HOPKINS-ll-never-know-really-happened-Maddy-parents-accept-share-blame-let-go.html#ixzz40qNE1fzt
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everything she  said in the article is true
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 10:26:52 PM
everything she  said in the article is true


no it isnt...and that is katies problem
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 10:31:03 PM
a rather manic article posted on a sunday afternoon.....when was it ready to go to press...when did the lawyers ok it


this is looking very interesting
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 10:33:22 PM
the more it is tweeted...the more it is commented on ...the greater the possibility of a libel suit
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 21, 2016, 10:34:39 PM
Katie hasn't been allowed to express her opinion before now?  How come I have heard much worse from her on this subject many months ago?  What does she imagine has changed?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 10:38:30 PM
Katie hasn't been allowed to express her opinion before now?  How come I have heard much worse from her on this subject many months ago?  What does she imagine has changed?

katie has seen some articles by Kate and is trying to increase her stock...apprentice style by being controversial ...she has failed miserably and will pay the price
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 21, 2016, 10:39:24 PM
katie  hopskins isnt scared of the mcanns either  is anybody else    maybe it has sunk in to  mcann supporters?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 10:40:51 PM
If the McCann's are foolish enough to accuse her of libel, she isn't one for backing down.

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 21, 2016, 10:41:16 PM
katie has seen some articles by Kate and is trying to increase her stock...apprentice style by being controversial ...she has failed miserably and will pay the price
I'd have thought she'd have had more important things on her mind such as getting her claws into Cameron and urging us all to vote Out.  Perhaps that's tomorrow's piece...?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 10:41:38 PM
katie  hopskins isnt scared of the mcanns either  is anybody else    maybe it has sunk in to  mcann supporters?

what has katie hopskins got to do with anything
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: misty on February 21, 2016, 10:42:07 PM
The irony is that KH herself had an unsavoury pop at stay-at-home mums last year. It seems her own idea of childcare is to leave it to someone/anyone else as long as she can work, sometimes leaving them for weeks at a time.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 21, 2016, 10:42:28 PM
 im glad the  daily mail allowed her  to have a   opinion
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 21, 2016, 10:43:03 PM
The irony is that KH herself had an unsavoury pop at stay-at-home mums last year. It seems her own idea of childcare is to leave it to someone/anyone else as long as she can work, sometimes leaving them for weeks at a time.
yes, she's nothing if not an A grade hypocrite, gawd bless her.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 10:44:35 PM
yes, she's nothing if not an A grade hypocrite, gawd bless her.

She provided childcare.

She didn't go out to wine and dine, and leave her children unprotected.

DID SHE.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 10:45:30 PM
If the McCann's are foolish enough to accuse her of libel, she isn't one for backing down.

you dont understand libel law do you
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 21, 2016, 10:47:17 PM
I imagine you have seen a lot of C- in your life

You are the master of gay wit and repartee aren't you...
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 10:48:54 PM
You are the master of gay wit and repartee aren't you...

An absolute master
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 21, 2016, 10:49:34 PM
You are the master of gay wit and repartee aren't you...

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: misty on February 21, 2016, 10:49:53 PM
She provided childcare.

She didn't go out to wine and dine, and leave her children unprotected.

DID SHE.

You know that for a fact, do you?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 10:50:54 PM
@)(++(*

says the epitome of out to lunch

 I think we could be talking lunch and dinner here
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 21, 2016, 10:53:58 PM
 why has this article upset mcann supporters so much is it because it is the truth?? and they know it
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 10:54:47 PM
why has this article upset mcann supporters so much is it because it is the truth?? and they know it

It has hit a raw nerve Carly.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 21, 2016, 10:55:52 PM
It has hit a raw nerve Carly.

also    daily mail has been  mcann supporters until now.........
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 21, 2016, 10:58:37 PM
also    daily mail has been  mcann supporters until now.........

Index.

The McCann's would be very foolish to go for another libel trial on very thin ground.

They have an ongoing case with Amaral, the fund is being drained, and the near closure of the SY investigation to deal with.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2016, 11:03:44 PM
Index.

The McCann's would be very foolish to go for another libel trial on very thin ground.

They have an ongoing case with Amaral, the funds are draining, and the near closer of the SY investigation to deal with.

you dont understand libel law...if the mccanns have a case CR will take it gratis
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: faithlilly on February 22, 2016, 12:04:49 AM
The 'best rated' comment on the Mail article, praising Katie Hopkin's opinion, now has over 9200 green approval arrows. Speaks volumes.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on February 22, 2016, 12:42:49 AM
you dont understand libel law...if the mccanns have a case CR will take it gratis
Neither do you it seems.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 01:06:41 AM
As autoridades portuguesas ponderam reabrir o processo de desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann, na sequência da análise feita pela PJ do Porto ao longo dos últimos dois anos. A investigação deverá ficar a cargo da PJ de Faro e consistirá, para já, na inquirição de mais testemunhas. O Correio da Manhã sabe que a tese seguida será a de rapto e poderá haver diligências comuns às que foram pedidas pelos ingleses.
Na última semana o caso conheceu novos desenvolvimentos, principalmente com a divulgação do retrato robô do principal suspeito e a nova pista que, tudo aponta, deverá levar à reabertura do processo para saber o que aconteceu a Maddie na noite de 3 de Maio de 2007, na Praia da Luz.



The Portuguese authorities are considering reopening the disappearance of Madeleine McCann process , following the analysis by PJ Port over the past two years. Research should be borne by the PJ in Faro and will consist , for now, in the hearing of witnesses . The Correio da Manha know that the next argument will be the abduction and may be common to steps that were ordered by the British.
Last week the case met new developments , especially with the release of the picture robot of the main suspect and the new track that everything points , should lead to the reopening of the case to find out what happened to Maddie on the night of May 3, 2007 , Praia da Luz .
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/pj-quer-reabrir-caso-maddie.html



I don't think there is any doubt at all that the British and the Portuguese are investigating Madeleine's abduction. 

Why people assume that they know better than the cops who benefit from having the expertise and all the intelligence and evidence amassed over the years and who have now trimmed it down to salient points which they are actively following, is indeed  one of life's mysteries.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 22, 2016, 01:35:36 AM
As autoridades portuguesas ponderam reabrir o processo de desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann, na sequência da análise feita pela PJ do Porto ao longo dos últimos dois anos. A investigação deverá ficar a cargo da PJ de Faro e consistirá, para já, na inquirição de mais testemunhas. O Correio da Manhã sabe que a tese seguida será a de rapto e poderá haver diligências comuns às que foram pedidas pelos ingleses.
Na última semana o caso conheceu novos desenvolvimentos, principalmente com a divulgação do retrato robô do principal suspeito e a nova pista que, tudo aponta, deverá levar à reabertura do processo para saber o que aconteceu a Maddie na noite de 3 de Maio de 2007, na Praia da Luz.



The Portuguese authorities are considering reopening the disappearance of Madeleine McCann process , following the analysis by PJ Port over the past two years. Research should be borne by the PJ in Faro and will consist , for now, in the hearing of witnesses . The Correio da Manha know that the next argument will be the abduction and may be common to steps that were ordered by the British.
Last week the case met new developments , especially with the release of the picture robot of the main suspect and the new track that everything points , should lead to the reopening of the case to find out what happened to Maddie on the night of May 3, 2007 , Praia da Luz .
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/pj-quer-reabrir-caso-maddie.html



I don't think there is any doubt at all that the British and the Portuguese are investigating Madeleine's abduction. 

Why people assume that they know better than the cops who benefit from having the expertise and all the intelligence and evidence amassed over the years and who have now trimmed it down to salient points which they are actively following, is indeed one of life's mysteries.

hyperbole and a lot of bandwidth for it lol
The only mystery here is where the heck is MM...that's all
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: John on February 22, 2016, 03:17:28 AM
KATIE HOPKINS: We'll never know what really happened to Maddie but her parents should accept their share of the blame and let her go


(http://i.imgur.com/vXOx0hK.jpg?1)

21st February 2016

I have never been allowed to say this before.

I’ve been given all sorts of reasons — people who are normally brutally honest with me fobbing me off, arguing I am not bringing anything new to the debate

It’s been a white-out, like the silence of snow.

But seeing the faces of Gerry and Kate McCann yet again this week, promoting the Child Rescue Alert Campaign to track down missing kids, I think it's finally time to speak out.

Kate McCann says she lives in a never-ending limbo.

But I believe the truth is that Madeleine McCann is never coming home.

She is long gone. It is time to stop looking and stop imagining there is some happy ending to this sorry tale. Enough.

There is no amount of money the will right the wrongs of the past, no libel action that will cancel out the damage the McCanns inflicted on themselves.

Kate and Gerry McCann didn't deserve £11million of our cash to look for Maddie or try to resolve their consciences or salvage reputations. Others have greater need.

If you really must blame someone, then Kate and Gerry are right there in front of you. And yet, protected by some invisible force-shield I don’t understand.

Show me a family from a council estate who left their child alone to go out eating and drinking who have been lauded with such support and the protection of the state.

Last year, a father of a two year old was arrested and prosecuted after leaving his daughter in a car for two minutes whilst he ran in to a chemist to buy Calpol.

Even our British broadcaster was in on the act. A Crimewatch Special in 2013 featuring new photo-fits of Maddie’s abductor failed to acknowledge that the McCanns had been sitting on these pictures for nearly five years.

Pictures compiled by their own investigation team whose report they later hid from view when it pointed the finger of blame in a direction Gerry didn't enjoy.

They left their child in an unlocked ground-floor apartment next to two busy roads. Too self-assured to hire a babysitter and too self-centred to care.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3457221/KATIE-HOPKINS-ll-never-know-really-happened-Maddy-parents-accept-share-blame-let-go.html#ixzz40pSSgg8i


I must say I thought Katie Hopkins had stated something of consequence having read over the posts in this thread.  However, having now read the original article I find it to be of little journalistic value and adds nothing to the debate.  Do people actually get paid for writing this rubbish?

Writing, "But I believe the truth is that Madeleine McCann is never coming home" is opinion based on very little and certainly isn't anyone's truth. The same was said about other missing girls yet some of them came home years later.  Madeleine might not be so lucky but then she just could be, who knows!

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 22, 2016, 07:58:35 AM
The 'best rated' comment on the Mail article, praising Katie Hopkin's opinion, now has over 9200 green approval arrows. Speaks volumes.
What does the comment say and what does it mean that 9200 agree with it?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 08:02:31 AM
I must say I thought Katie Hopkins had stated something of consequence having read over the posts in this thread.  However, having now read the original article I find it to be of little journalistic value and adds nothing to the debate.  Do people actually get paid for writing this rubbish?

Writing, "But I believe the truth is that Madeleine McCann is never coming home" is opinion based on very little and certainly isn't anyone's truth. The same was said about other missing girls yet some of them came home years later.  Madeleine might not be so lucky but then she just could be, who knows!

What was more important than anything in the article, was that someone had for the first time in several years actually questioned the mccanns, and dared to put the blame for this case where it firmly and truly belongs.

As to 'writing rubbish' John, have seen you read the rubbish written in the tabloids last week as regards the mccanns. A sob story which had no real content, but repeated for several days in a row.

Personally, I can't stand Hopkins, but the comments sections, which is still there, SPEAKS VOLUMES.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 08:03:42 AM
As autoridades portuguesas ponderam reabrir o processo de desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann, na sequência da análise feita pela PJ do Porto ao longo dos últimos dois anos. A investigação deverá ficar a cargo da PJ de Faro e consistirá, para já, na inquirição de mais testemunhas. O Correio da Manhã sabe que a tese seguida será a de rapto e poderá haver diligências comuns às que foram pedidas pelos ingleses.
Na última semana o caso conheceu novos desenvolvimentos, principalmente com a divulgação do retrato robô do principal suspeito e a nova pista que, tudo aponta, deverá levar à reabertura do processo para saber o que aconteceu a Maddie na noite de 3 de Maio de 2007, na Praia da Luz.



The Portuguese authorities are considering reopening the disappearance of Madeleine McCann process , following the analysis by PJ Port over the past two years. Research should be borne by the PJ in Faro and will consist , for now, in the hearing of witnesses . The Correio da Manha know that the next argument will be the abduction and may be common to steps that were ordered by the British.
Last week the case met new developments , especially with the release of the picture robot of the main suspect and the new track that everything points , should lead to the reopening of the case to find out what happened to Maddie on the night of May 3, 2007 , Praia da Luz .
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/pj-quer-reabrir-caso-maddie.html



I don't think there is any doubt at all that the British and the Portuguese are investigating Madeleine's abduction. 

Why people assume that they know better than the cops who benefit from having the expertise and all the intelligence and evidence amassed over the years and who have now trimmed it down to salient points which they are actively following, is indeed  one of life's mysteries.

OFF TOPIC.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 22, 2016, 08:12:12 AM
What was more important than anything in the article, was that someone had for the first time in several years actually questioned the mccanns, and dared to put the blame for this case where it firmly and truly belongs.

As to 'writing rubbish' John, have seen you read the rubbish written in the tabloids last week as regards the mccanns. A sob story which had no real content, but repeated for several days in a row.

Personally, I can't stand Hopkins, but the comments sections, which is still there, SPEAKS VOLUMES.



if you read the comments sections rather than just looking at the numbers you will see that people do not agree with the decision to leave the children in the apartment....not that all these people think the mccanns dunnit
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Jean-Pierre on February 22, 2016, 08:28:03 AM
It has hit a raw nerve Carly.

Your uncritical endorsement of Hopkins and the fact that you read the daily mail explains many things Stephen.  &%+((£
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 08:31:15 AM
well said Katie Hopkins

i dont see how posters can think she wont get away with what she has wrote ...

yet quite happy for the mccs to get away with what they have done

after all ...she is only highlighting the neglect etc etc ....

interesting ..............If she was never allowed to say these things before does that mean something has changed

seems like the mccs are passing there sell by date...

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 08:34:12 AM
Your uncritical endorsement of Hopkins and the fact that you read the daily mail explains many things Stephen.  &%+((£


You really can't read ,  can you ? &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2016, 09:06:23 AM


if you read the comments sections rather than just looking at the numbers you will see that people do not agree with the decision to leave the children in the apartment....not that all these people think the mccanns dunnit

Supporters have argued for years that leaving three small children alone in an unlocked apartment was not a bad decision. It would seem their opinions are not widely shared.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 22, 2016, 09:09:11 AM
Supporters have argued for years that leaving three small children alone in an unlocked apartment was not a bad decision. It would seem their opinions are not widely shared.
Some supporters may have argued that, but the majority have acknowledged the foolishness of their decision.  I would also acknowledge that many, many people despise the McCanns and enjoy (even nearly 10 years later) constantly rebuking them for their poor decision.  It's almost a national sport I would say.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 09:09:26 AM
What was more important than anything in the article, was that someone had for the first time in several years actually questioned the mccanns, and dared to put the blame for this case where it firmly and truly belongs.

As to 'writing rubbish' John, have seen you read the rubbish written in the tabloids last week as regards the mccanns. A sob story which had no real content, but repeated for several days in a row.

Personally, I can't stand Hopkins, but the comments sections, which is still there, SPEAKS VOLUMES.




 8@??)(

my thoughts exactly...

what with this and the release of RDH Cd's ....maybe far living in hope on my part ...but it could be like a double edge sword that information that has been found in the investigation ...is being leaked out ..through back door ...

the Macs haven't done anything ....because the are not able to ...
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Benice on February 22, 2016, 09:24:05 AM
Supporters have argued for years that leaving three small children alone in an unlocked apartment was not a bad decision. It would seem their opinions are not widely shared.

I don't think that's strictly true G.   Many people who - even though they wouldn't have done the same themselves - believe the McCanns made a human error - but also maintain that the only criminal here is the person who took Madeleine.

Of course those people who have the done the same as the McCanns themselves will obviously have a different attitude towards the Listening method of childcare than those who would never contemplate employing it in the first place.

It's a matter of choice for individual parents.

IMO

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 22, 2016, 09:27:12 AM
I see this article is still on line, despite predictions that it would soon be pulled.
Does anyone know if it has appeared in the print version?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: John on February 22, 2016, 09:28:12 AM
well said Katie Hopkins

i dont see how posters can think she wont get away with what she has wrote ...

yet quite happy for the mccs to get away with what they have done

after all ...she is only highlighting the neglect etc etc ....

interesting ..............If she was never allowed to say these things before does that mean something has changed

seems like the mccs are passing there sell by date...

It's not so much that she gets away with what she wrote but what she wrote.  Claiming that, "We'll never know what really happened to Maddie" is a nonsense and frankly a very poor show for someone who claims to be a professional journalist.  It is this sort of garbage which perpetuates so many myths in the case.

The one thing I do agree with Hopkins in though is that Kate's involvement with the Child Rescue Alert Campaign is inappropriate given the fog which still hangs over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 22, 2016, 09:29:31 AM
It's not so much that she gets away with what she wrote but what she wrote.  Claiming that, "We'll never know what really happened to Maddie" is a nonsense and frankly a very poor show for someone who claims to be a professional journalist.  It is this sort of garbage which perpetuates so many myths in the case.
Come on John, she's not a professional journalist, she's a professional troll and shit-stirrer and rent-a-gob, nothing more.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 09:33:29 AM
Come on John, she's not a professional journalist, she's a professional troll and shit-stirrer and rent-a-gob, nothing more.

well it takes one to know one ...imo  8((()*/
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 09:38:51 AM
It's not so much that she gets away with what she wrote but what she wrote.  Claiming that, "We'll never know what really happened to Maddie" is a nonsense and frankly a very poor show for someone who claims to be a professional journalist.  It is this sort of garbage which perpetuates so many myths in the case.

The one thing I do agree with Hopkins in though is that Kate's involvement with the Child Rescue Alert Campaign is inappropriate.


the thing for me though is ....professional or not ....

 she is now feeling safe to comment when before she wasn't .... there is quite a few things mentioned in that article...there may be more to come .
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 09:40:33 AM
Come on John, she's not a professional journalist, she's a professional troll and shit-stirrer and rent-a-gob, nothing more.

You mean like Tony Parsons ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: John on February 22, 2016, 09:41:36 AM

the thing for me though is ....professional or not ....

 she is now feeling safe to comment when before she wasn't .... there is quite a few things mentioned in that article...there may be more to come .

That's true, her restating the claim which the Sunday Times got into trouble for ie that the McCanns sat on the e-fits for five years is certainly interesting?

My problem with her is that she shouldn't confuse opinion with fact.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 22, 2016, 09:42:56 AM
Come on John, she's not a professional journalist, she's a professional troll and shit-stirrer and rent-a-gob, nothing more.

Couldn't agree more,  the only reason she has opened her mouth is for attention,  she knows it will stir things up and that is the only reason she has said these things.   The Mail also knows this and that it will sell papers.

Most of the comments are because most people think it was wrong to have left the children alone,  most of them probably  don't really follow the case and that is all that sticks in their minds,  hence you get the green arrows.

What really annoys me though is that she has obviously not been following the case,   she mentions the photo fit and says the McCann's sat on it for almost five years,  which is a complete lie.

Then at the end she goes on that the McCann's were callous enough to wash CC after only five days, another lie, but it gets the people 'on her side'   this sort of thing is what really gets me,  the woman is a sly shit stirrer for want of a better word.

This woman also says 'the McCann's don't deserve 11 million pounds'   so it is how a child is lost that gets you money to search for that child is it?    Madeleine had no say in how she was left,   the 11 million  spent was to find Madeleine,  so the stupid woman is speaking a load of nasty bile again.

Why does she think she has the right to tell the McCann's to stop looking for their child?   
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 22, 2016, 09:46:26 AM

the thing for me though is ....professional or not ....

 she is now feeling safe to comment when before she wasn't .... there is quite a few things mentioned in that article...there may be more to come .

The way I read what she said is that people were putting her off posting what she thought,  and for good reason in my opinion.   Not that there was some secret goings on that stopped her,  that's just conspiracy stupidity.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Jean-Pierre on February 22, 2016, 09:50:13 AM
Come on John, she's not a professional journalist, she's a professional troll and shit-stirrer and rent-a-gob, nothing more.

Correct - she is not a journalist. 

I believe she came to prominence as a result of being a particularly opinionated contestant on "The Apprentice".  She apparently tried to join UKIP but they would not have her as a member. 

Her accusation against Jack Monroe is a good example of perceptive abilities.

 
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Carana on February 22, 2016, 10:03:36 AM
Interesting that the Mail should run a McCann sob story earlier today (or yesterday) and then follow on the this one by Hopkins.

They've done that in the past. Their excuse was that a sufficient quantity of "postive" pieces balanced out the "negative" ones over time.

The compromise was to run free missing Madeleine ads for a while.

And apologies, I'm not sure of the source. Possibly Kate's book or Leveson (although the former may be more likely).
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 22, 2016, 10:06:05 AM
I see this article is still on line, despite predictions that it would soon be pulled.
Does anyone know if it has appeared in the print version?

I have seen no one say it would be pulled
It may well be and I think it's a distinct possibility....
It's a little early in the morning
CR may be taking stock as we speak
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: John on February 22, 2016, 10:06:34 AM
Why does she think she has the right to tell the McCann's to stop looking for their child?   

Couldn't agree more, in fact I would put it stronger...what a bloody cheek she has!
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 10:09:01 AM
It's not so much that she gets away with what she wrote but what she wrote.  Claiming that, "We'll never know what really happened to Maddie" is a nonsense and frankly a very poor show for someone who claims to be a professional journalist.  It is this sort of garbage which perpetuates so many myths in the case.

The one thing I do agree with Hopkins in though is that Kate's involvement with the Child Rescue Alert Campaign is inappropriate given the fog which still hangs over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

What about the McCann's claims there is no poroof that Madeleine has come to harm.

As to Ms. Hopkins claim that the truth of what happened to Madeleine will never emerge.

More than likely, it seems.

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 10:11:40 AM
Couldn't agree more, in fact I would put it stronger...what a bloody cheek she has!

When did they last look themselves John ?

As to the money issue, when have the McCann's ever given from their own earnings ?

They have been happy for donations and the tax payer to fund searches as a result of their lack of child care.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: John on February 22, 2016, 10:11:52 AM
What about the McCann's claims there is no poroof that Madeleine has come to harm.

As to Ms. Hopkins claim that the truth of what happened to Madeleine will never emerge.

More than likely, it seems.

As you yourself point out every day infinitum, crime undetermined as yet. There is no proof she has come to harm, similarly, there is no proof she is alive.  The McCanns publicly state they have hope she is still alive and will one day come home.  What they privately believe however is a matter for them.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 10:14:09 AM
As you yourself point out every day infinitum, crime undetermined as yet.

Precisely and no sign of being solved.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 10:20:22 AM
As you yourself point out every day infinitum, crime undetermined as yet. There is no proof she has come to harm, similarly, there is no proof she is alive.  The McCanns publicly state they have hope she is still alive and will one day come home.  What they privately believe however is a matter for them.

Would that be rather like the McCann supporters crying abduction, AD INFINITUM ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2016, 10:35:59 AM
Some supporters may have argued that, but the majority have acknowledged the foolishness of their decision.  I would also acknowledge that many, many people despise the McCanns and enjoy (even nearly 10 years later) constantly rebuking them for their poor decision.  It's almost a national sport I would say.

I have been told on this forum that millions of others have done the same, that they were just replicating the listening services offered by holiday companies and that it wasn't neglect. The decision was terrible and it also said something about their priorities. The children were placed firmly in second place on that holiday. Their needs came below the parent's wants. Most parents accept that their children's needs must come before their desire to have a social life. I missed out on social occasions because I couldn't get a baby-sitter and I don't expect I'm the only one.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 10:36:17 AM
As you yourself point out every day infinitum, crime undetermined as yet. There is no proof she has come to harm, similarly, there is no proof she is alive.  The McCanns publicly state they have hope she is still alive and will one day come home.  What they privately believe however is a matter for them.

'There is no proof she come to harm' ?


Are you being serious ?


She was removed by person or persons unknown.


That is coming to harm, wouldn't you say ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 10:41:06 AM
The way I read what she said is that people were putting her off posting what she thought,  and for good reason in my opinion.   Not that there was some secret goings on that stopped her,  that's just conspiracy stupidity.

that's just conspiracy stupidity.


well you read it wrong .....iyo

its called gagging.....the threat of lible
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 22, 2016, 10:50:16 AM
wow im amazed  it is still up!!!
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2016, 10:59:39 AM
Couldn't agree more,  the only reason she has opened her mouth is for attention,  she knows it will stir things up and that is the only reason she has said these things.   The Mail also knows this and that it will sell papers.

Most of the comments are because most people think it was wrong to have left the children alone,  most of them probably  don't really follow the case and that is all that sticks in their minds,  hence you get the green arrows.

What really annoys me though is that she has obviously not been following the case,   she mentions the photo fit and says the McCann's sat on it for almost five years,  which is a complete lie.

Then at the end she goes on that the McCann's were callous enough to wash CC after only five days, another lie, but it gets the people 'on her side'   this sort of thing is what really gets me,  the woman is a sly shit stirrer for want of a better word.

This woman also says 'the McCann's don't deserve 11 million pounds'   so it is how a child is lost that gets you money to search for that child is it?    Madeleine had no say in how she was left,   the 11 million  spent was to find Madeleine,  so the stupid woman is speaking a load of nasty bile again.

Why does she think she has the right to tell the McCann's to stop looking for their child?   

I'm no fan of Ms Hopkins but she has had the guts to depart from the official line toed by all the 'proper' journalists. She has had the guts to divulge that negative stories have not been allowed. She has had the guts to highlight the neglectful behaviour of the parents which other 'proper' journalists have excused. She got a couple of details wrong, but so did all the 'proper' journalists.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 22, 2016, 11:02:43 AM
I'm no fan of Ms Hopkins but she has had the guts to depart from the official line toed by all the 'proper' journalists. She has had the guts to divulge that negative stories have not been allowed. She has had the guts to highlight the neglectful behaviour of the parents which other 'proper' journalists have excused. She got a couple of details wrong, but so did all the 'proper' journalists.

It isn't about guts it's using a tragedy to try and raise her own profile
She should have done some proper research before writing such an articl
I hope it backfires on her
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 11:03:15 AM
I'm no fan of Ms Hopkins but she has had the guts to depart from the official line toed by all the 'proper' journalists. She has had the guts to divulge that negative stories have not been allowed. She has had the guts to highlight the neglectful behaviour of the parents which other 'proper' journalists have excused. She got a couple of details wrong, but so did all the 'proper' journalists.


exactly  8@??)(
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 22, 2016, 11:10:07 AM

exactly  8@??)(

xtina i think it took alot of  guts for the daily mail uk to publish it    and   see that katie has the  right to an opinion   also  to me katie wouldnt be scared of the mcanns  or their supporters
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: faithlilly on February 22, 2016, 11:11:29 AM
Couldn't agree more,  the only reason she has opened her mouth is for attention,  she knows it will stir things up and that is the only reason she has said these things.   The Mail also knows this and that it will sell papers.

Most of the comments are because most people think it was wrong to have left the children alone,  most of them probably  don't really follow the case and that is all that sticks in their minds,  hence you get the green arrows.

What really annoys me though is that she has obviously not been following the case,   she mentions the photo fit and says the McCann's sat on it for almost five years,  which is a complete lie.

Then at the end she goes on that the McCann's were callous enough to wash CC after only five days, another lie, but it gets the people 'on her side'   this sort of thing is what really gets me,  the woman is a sly shit stirrer for want of a better word.

This woman also says 'the McCann's don't deserve 11 million pounds'   so it is how a child is lost that gets you money to search for that child is it?    Madeleine had no say in how she was left,   the 11 million  spent was to find Madeleine,  so the stupid woman is speaking a load of nasty bile again.

Why does she think she has the right to tell the McCann's to stop looking for their child?   

While the McCanns released many efits themselves, indeed Kate had a selection of them in her book, they decided that ,it could be argued, the most pertinent efits were left unseen by the public. So yes I t could be argued that they did indeed sit on them for 5 years.

As to the cuddlecat comment I think the point KH was trying to make is that she would never have washed the smell of her daughter from the toy, sun cream-smeared or not.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 22, 2016, 11:11:39 AM
I wonder if Carter Ruck will find anything in the article
Certainly hope so

It's an offensive piece.

But (I think) it just about stays the side of the libel laws (as amended by the new defence of 'honest comment') to keep Hopkins out of the law-courts (unfortunately).

The piece bangs the 'neglect' drum but doesn't, directly, accuse them of responsibility for harming Madeleine.

Objectionable, but within the law (I think) ....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 11:11:53 AM
I'm no fan of Ms Hopkins but she has had the guts to depart from the official line toed by all the 'proper' journalists. She has had the guts to divulge that negative stories have not been allowed. She has had the guts to highlight the neglectful behaviour of the parents which other 'proper' journalists have excused. She got a couple of details wrong, but so did all the 'proper' journalists.

 8((()*/ 8@??)( 8@??)(

Well said.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 11:13:05 AM
It's an offensive piece.

But (I think) it just about stays the side of the libel laws (as amended by the new defence of 'honest comment') to keep Hopkins out of the law-courts (unfortunately).

The piece bangs the 'neglect' drum but doesn't, directly, accuse them of responsibility for harming Madeleine.

Objectionable, but within the law (I think) ....

Offensive in your eyes.

What a surprise.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Carana on February 22, 2016, 11:15:56 AM
While the McCanns released many efits themselves, indeed Kate had a selection of them in her book, they decided that ,it could be argued, the most pertinent efits were left unseen by the public. So yes I t could be argued that they did indeed sit on them for 5 years.

As to the cuddlecat comment I think the point KH was trying to make is that she would never have washed the smell of her daughter from the toy, sun cream-smeared or not.

After 3 months of clutching it in hot and sweaty hands, even sun cream is unlikely to have been the dominant smell.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 22, 2016, 11:19:37 AM
Offensive in your eyes.

What a surprise.

i think katie   has   alot of courage    too  speak out like she has   the mcanns and  supporters clearly  dont like it  though
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 22, 2016, 11:21:13 AM
that's just conspiracy stupidity.


well you read it wrong .....iyo

its called gagging.....the threat of lible

So who is gagging her now exactly?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: faithlilly on February 22, 2016, 11:21:51 AM
After 3 months of clutching it in hot and sweaty hands, even sun cream is unlikely to have been the dominant smell.

Then perhaps she could have found something else to use as a 'prop '
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2016, 11:22:08 AM
It isn't about guts it's using a tragedy to try and raise her own profile
She should have done some proper research before writing such an articl
I hope it backfires on her

Do you think she's the only one whose opinions don't match the 'official' line? I don't. She is the only one who has spoken out though, whatever her reasons. She's not alone in neglecting her research, many others have made mistakes when reporting on this case.

If she is silenced her words will remain for ever and people will wonder why she had to be silenced. No matter what happens next the media's wall of support for the McCann's has been breached. Every now and again something slips through. Perhaps one day we will have balanced reporting on this case with all opinions represented.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 22, 2016, 11:22:47 AM
So who is gagging her now exactly?

no one  because like it or not she has a  right to  an opinion
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 22, 2016, 11:23:20 AM
I'm no fan of Ms Hopkins but she has had the guts to depart from the official line toed by all the 'proper' journalists. She has had the guts to divulge that negative stories have not been allowed. She has had the guts to highlight the neglectful behaviour of the parents which other 'proper' journalists have excused. She got a couple of details wrong, but so did all the 'proper' journalists.

I disagree.
The people with "guts" are those who face terminal illness with dignity and forbearance, people who face living with appalling injuries, people who go into dangerous situations to help others have "guts"

She sits at a keyboard spewing out her intolerance, nastiness and bigoted views. The woman is seen as a loud-mouthed , shrill voiced, opinionated, intolerant woman by a great number of the British public.

She is certainly not my idea of a woman with "guts".
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 22, 2016, 11:24:17 AM
i think katie   has   alot of courage    too  speak out like she has   the mcanns and  supporters clearly  dont like it  though

Courage?    the woman has always been outspoken it is what she is known for,  it's what she does to get noticed.

Obviously she has her Katie Hopkins 'fan club'  doing the voting up.

The woman is a loud mouth,  who has put her foot in it many times before,   but she gets papers selling.

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 11:25:32 AM
xtina i think it took alot of  guts for the daily mail uk to publish it    and   see that katie has the  right to an opinion   also  to me katie wouldnt be scared of the mcanns  or their supporters


i know she mentions quite a bit ....so it shows she isn't ...carlymichelle


i would love to be a fly on the wall at rothly manor today...

it seems there is nothing the mccs can do about it .....or they are skint ...

even the twins want maddie back story ...seems to have fell on deaf ears..

the majority of people now are sick to the back teeth of the mccs ......and there pathetic stories...

its about time they reaped what they sowed ....they have no one to blame but themselves...and it has always been sickening .....how they think more of themselves ...,.than what they did
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 22, 2016, 11:25:47 AM
no one  because like it or not she has a  right to  an opinion


Which really rules out xtina's reply as to why she hasn't spoken out before.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 11:27:33 AM
So who is gagging her now exactly?



 @)(++(*.thats the whole point .no one ..
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 22, 2016, 11:27:50 AM

i know she mentions quite a bit ....so it shows she isn't ...carlymichelle


i would love to be a fly on the wall at rothly manor today...

it seems there is nothing the mccs can do about it .....or they are skint ...

even the twins want maddie back story ...seems to have fell on deaf ears..

the majority of people now are sick to the back teeth of the mccs ......and there pathetic stories...

its about time they reaped what they sowed ....they have no one to blame but themselves...and it has always been sickening .....how they think more of themselves ...,.than what they did

exactly and    from what i read  of the article none of it  was against the   law
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 22, 2016, 11:29:36 AM


 @)(++(*.thats the whole point .no one ...

 @)(++(* i bet kate  and gerry are   in a  rage   and find this hurtful and unhelpful not to mention ludicrious
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 22, 2016, 11:30:12 AM

i know she mentions quite a bit ....so it shows she isn't ...carlymichelle


i would love to be a fly on the wall at rothly manor today...

it seems there is nothing the mccs can do about it .....or they are skint ...

even the twins want maddie back story ...seems to have fell on deaf ears..

the majority of people now are sick to the back teeth of the mccs ......and there pathetic stories...

its about time they reaped what they sowed ....they have no one to blame but themselves...and it has always been sickening .....how they think more of themselves ...,.than what they did

I should imagine the McCann's are treating her spite fest with the contempt it deserves.

Majority of people?    you mean the Katie Hopkins fan club?

Reaped what they sowed,   what does that mean exactly?   by not having Madeleine back?

Back to the 'think more about themselves'   well if wanting the investigation opened,  during charity runs, bike rides,  promoting missing children is thinking more about themselves then bring it on.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 11:31:12 AM

Which really rules out xtina's reply as to why she hasn't spoken out before.



well obviously you know what you are on about .....because i don't .... 8**8:/:
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 22, 2016, 11:31:15 AM
@)(++(* i bet kate  and gerry are   in a  rage   and find this hurtful and unhelpful not to mention ludicrious

You would be happy about that would you?    bringing more hurt to parents of a missing child,  says a lot about you.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 22, 2016, 11:32:41 AM


well obviously you know what you are on about .....because i don't .... 8**8:/:

Katie Hopkins said she couldn't speak out before,   I said it was because she was being told by people who know her not to,   you posted that it had more to do with libel and gagging.

Well carly says she has a right to her opinion.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 22, 2016, 11:33:09 AM
the internet has always been a  thorn in the mcanns and  supporters side    imo
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Carana on February 22, 2016, 11:34:48 AM
Then perhaps she could have found something else to use as a 'prop '

That's a rather unpleasant thing to say, IMO. Why should she have done? It was a symbolic and cuddly reminder of her while they were in Portugal.

There are presumably numerous other toys and belongings that would have retained that familiar scent back home.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 22, 2016, 11:34:52 AM


 @)(++(*.thats the whole point .no one ..

That is just stupid,   you said she wouldn't say what she wanted to say because she was being gagged,  well she did say what she wanted to say didn't she,  so she wasn't being gagged at all.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 22, 2016, 11:35:00 AM
Katie Hopkins said she couldn't speak out before,   I said it was because she was being told by people who know her not to,   you posted that it had more to do with libel and gagging.

Well carly says she has a right to her opinion.

peoples opinions are not supressed   in most other  countries lace    most other countries  dont have to   deal with the stiff   upper british lips like you   people do
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 11:36:10 AM
I should imagine the McCann's are treating her spite fest with the contempt it deserves.

Majority of people?    you mean the Katie Hopkins fan club?

Reaped what they sowed,   what does that mean exactly?   by not having Madeleine back?

Back to the 'think more about themselves'   well if wanting the investigation opened,  during charity runs, bike rides,  promoting missing children is thinking more about themselves then bring it on.



bring what on .....they deserve all they get ....promoting missing children ...when they never even bothered looking for there own..maddie

charity runs ....bike rides ....they do that for the fund ....not maddie.
.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 22, 2016, 11:36:39 AM
the internet has always been a  thorn in the mcanns and  supporters side    imo

Yes I'm surprised they haven't had it closed down
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 22, 2016, 11:37:44 AM


bring what on .....they deserve all they get ....promoting missing children ...when they never even bothered looking for there own..maddie

charity runs ....bike rides ....they do that for the fund babe....not maddie.
.

it  seems  to me   the uk  still operates  the   child  should be seen and not heard   era  in some  classes     
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 11:41:06 AM
It must be truly heart-warming for Ms. Hopkins children to learn that their own mother would give up on them in similar circumstances.
 Heaven knows what stick they'll take in the playground (yet again).
The woman is a licensed child abuser.

Yep.  That's it, Kids.  If you ever get abducted don't be looking for any hoping or searching from me.  Poor children.  They will know from the word go that Mummy has moved on.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 11:42:16 AM
That is just stupid,   you said she wouldn't say what she wanted to say because she was being gagged,  well she did say what she wanted to say didn't she,  so she wasn't being gagged at all.





fgs ..........what part of...I have never been allowed to say this before...........don't you understand ....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 11:45:59 AM
Yep.  That's it, Kids.  If you ever get abducted don't be looking for any hoping or searching from me.  Poor children.  They will know from the word go that Mummy has moved on.

So when did you search for Madeleine Eleanor ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 11:51:53 AM
So when did you search for Madeleine Eleanor ?

I do it all of the time, Stephen.  I am not entirely sure that Madeleine isn't in France.

But If Katie Hopkins wants to give up on abducted children, including her own, then that's up to her.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 12:01:35 PM
I do it all of the time, Stephen.  I am not entirely sure that Madeleine isn't in France.

But If Katie Hopkins wants to give up on abducted children, including her own, then that's up to her.

She didn't say that, did she.

She employs childcare, unlike the mccanns.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 12:07:35 PM
She didn't say that, did she.

She employs childcare, unlike the mccanns.

Yep.  Dumps her children on Nannies 24/7 no doubt, because she is frequently away working.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 22, 2016, 12:11:22 PM
Paid childcare seems the way these days.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 22, 2016, 12:14:26 PM
Paid childcare seems the way these days.

paid childcare is better then  no childcare   like the   mccans
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 12:16:21 PM
I do it all of the time, Stephen.  I am not entirely sure that Madeleine isn't in France.

But If Katie Hopkins wants to give up on abducted children, including her own, then that's up to her.


i think you might find....its not so much people would give up  ....

its the fact ..they don't believe in the abduction ...
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Carana on February 22, 2016, 12:17:20 PM
She certainly has some controversial opinions.


- Do Christians here find it acceptable to call herself the "new Jesus"?

- Or to mock people with disabilities?



Katie Hopkins says she is the ‘new Jesus’ – and refuses to apologise for controversial comments
The outspoken columnist said she is leading the way to push "back the walls closing in on freedom of speech"

    Emma Powell
    Tuesday 13 October 2015
    1 comment

(...)
The outspoken columnist gave a speech at the Church and the Media conference in London where she told audience members that she is “leading the way” against the intolerance of the liberal left.

"I'm Jesus of the outspoken,” she said. “Jesus had his followers – I have 600,000 followers on Twitter. It’s about leading the way – I am the new Jesus."


She described herself as “brave” and told the audience that she is “pushing back the walls closing in on freedom of speech”.

(...)
http://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/katie-hopkins-says-she-is-the-new-jesus-and-refuses-to-apologise-for-controversial-comments-a3089916.html

...



"When someone with your public profile tells others it’s okay to mock people with disabilities, you cause great damage."


Hawking, whose son has autism, added: "To be honest, I don’t really care what happens to you. But I do care what happens to people with disabilities and their families, and I care that you are making difficult lives even more challenging. Please stop."

Earlier today, presenter Lorraine Kelly revealed she would not let the reality TV star on her show.
Last updated Fri 1 May 2015
http://www.itv.com/news/2015-05-01/katie-hopkins-is-damaging-to-disabled-people-says-hawking/


Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on February 22, 2016, 12:22:17 PM
The Evening Standard has picked up on Hopkins' Mail article.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/katie-hopkins-sparks-online-frenzy-with-attack-on-madeleine-mccanns-parents-a3185856.html

Frenzy is the right word. It is like a Taz convention in here.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 12:22:48 PM
She certainly has some controversial opinions.


- Do Christians here find it acceptable to call herself the "new Jesus"?

- Or to mock people with disabilities?



Katie Hopkins says she is the ‘new Jesus’ – and refuses to apologise for controversial comments
The outspoken columnist said she is leading the way to push "back the walls closing in on freedom of speech"

    Emma Powell
    Tuesday 13 October 2015
    1 comment

(...)
The outspoken columnist gave a speech at the Church and the Media conference in London where she told audience members that she is “leading the way” against the intolerance of the liberal left.

"I'm Jesus of the outspoken,” she said. “Jesus had his followers – I have 600,000 followers on Twitter. It’s about leading the way – I am the new Jesus."


She described herself as “brave” and told the audience that she is “pushing back the walls closing in on freedom of speech”.

(...)
http://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/katie-hopkins-says-she-is-the-new-jesus-and-refuses-to-apologise-for-controversial-comments-a3089916.html

...



"When someone with your public profile tells others it’s okay to mock people with disabilities, you cause great damage."


Hawking, whose son has autism, added: "To be honest, I don’t really care what happens to you. But I do care what happens to people with disabilities and their families, and I care that you are making difficult lives even more challenging. Please stop."

Earlier today, presenter Lorraine Kelly revealed she would not let the reality TV star on her show.
Last updated Fri 1 May 2015
http://www.itv.com/news/2015-05-01/katie-hopkins-is-damaging-to-disabled-people-says-hawking/

I don't think giving Lorraine Kelly helps much in this.

On a variety of levels

The backing she has received on the Daily Mail comments is undeniably significant.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 22, 2016, 12:23:47 PM

i think you might find....its not so much people would give up  ....

its the fact ..they don't believe in the abduction ...


of all those thousands of comments in the mail ...how many claim Maddie was not abducted...I don't think I saw any
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 22, 2016, 12:24:42 PM
She certainly has some controversial opinions.


- Do Christians here find it acceptable to call herself the "new Jesus"?

- Or to mock people with disabilities?



Katie Hopkins says she is the ‘new Jesus’ – and refuses to apologise for controversial comments
The outspoken columnist said she is leading the way to push "back the walls closing in on freedom of speech"

    Emma Powell
    Tuesday 13 October 2015
    1 comment

(...)
The outspoken columnist gave a speech at the Church and the Media conference in London where she told audience members that she is “leading the way” against the intolerance of the liberal left.

"I'm Jesus of the outspoken,” she said. “Jesus had his followers – I have 600,000 followers on Twitter. It’s about leading the way – I am the new Jesus."


She described herself as “brave” and told the audience that she is “pushing back the walls closing in on freedom of speech”.

(...)
http://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/katie-hopkins-says-she-is-the-new-jesus-and-refuses-to-apologise-for-controversial-comments-a3089916.html

...



"When someone with your public profile tells others it’s okay to mock people with disabilities, you cause great damage."


Hawking, whose son has autism, added: "To be honest, I don’t really care what happens to you. But I do care what happens to people with disabilities and their families, and I care that you are making difficult lives even more challenging. Please stop."

Earlier today, presenter Lorraine Kelly revealed she would not let the reality TV star on her show.
Last updated Fri 1 May 2015
http://www.itv.com/news/2015-05-01/katie-hopkins-is-damaging-to-disabled-people-says-hawking/

Yes, it's entirely what Jesus would have done, to liken migrants to "cockroaches" ....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2016, 12:25:51 PM
I disagree.
The people with "guts" are those who face terminal illness with dignity and forbearance, people who face living with appalling injuries, people who go into dangerous situations to help others have "guts"

She sits at a keyboard spewing out her intolerance, nastiness and bigoted views. The woman is seen as a loud-mouthed , shrill voiced, opinionated, intolerant woman by a great number of the British public.

She is certainly not my idea of a woman with "guts".

I was comparing her to other journalists, not to the people you mentioned. I have no interest in discussing 'degrees' of bravery. Expressing the same views as the rest of the journalistic pack is the easy option. She didn't take it, call that what you like. Even people who don't like her have agreed with what she has said about this case, whether you like it or not.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 22, 2016, 12:26:15 PM
The Evening Standard has picked up on Hopkins' Mail article.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/katie-hopkins-sparks-online-frenzy-with-attack-on-madeleine-mccanns-parents-a3185856.html

Frenzy is the right word. It is like a Taz convention in here.

a frenzy involving half a dozen posters...you need to get out more
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Benice on February 22, 2016, 12:27:47 PM
I do it all of the time, Stephen.  I am not entirely sure that Madeleine isn't in France.

But If Katie Hopkins wants to give up on abducted children, including her own, then that's up to her.

I dread to think what her opinion of Ben Needham's mother is.    How many years has she been living in hope that she might one day find her son?  24/25yrs ?

She also fails to notice that if it wasn't for the money spent on Madeleine's case - the chances of £700,000 being allocated to our police to look into Ben's disappearance were slim to zero IMO.

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 12:35:16 PM

i think you might find....its not so much people would give up  ....

its the fact ..they don't believe in the abduction ...

So how do you think Katie Hopkins would feel about not being believed if such a thing should ever happen to her?

However, she certainly appears to believe that Madeleine was abducted.  How do you feel about that.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2016, 12:36:35 PM
I dread to think what her opinion of Ben Needham's mother is.    How many years has she been living in hope that she might one day find her son?  24/25yrs ?

She also fails to notice that if it wasn't for the money spent on Madeleine's case - the chances of £700,000 being allocated to our police to look into Ben's disappearance were slim to zero IMO.

It would have been nice if Kerry Needham had got help without the government having to be shamed into it though, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 12:41:54 PM
Well having read the Evening Standard and the Mail, the only visible frenzy is with the mccann supporters.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 12:44:56 PM
It would have been nice if Kerry Needham had got help without the government having to be shamed into it though, wouldn't it?

But I thought the consensus of opinion was that The Government were shamed into helping The McCanns.  Am I wrong about that?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 12:45:35 PM




I see the poll is running at 84%. that the mccanns are to blame.

There appear to be 2 versions of the story on the Standard.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 12:47:41 PM
So how do you think Katie Hopkins would feel about not being believed if such a thing should ever happen to her?

However, she certainly appears to believe that Madeleine was abducted.  How do you feel about that.



So how do you think Katie Hopkins would feel about not being believed if such a thing should ever happen to her

short answer.................i doubt she will ever have to

However, she certainly appears to believe that Madeleine was abducted.  How do you feel about that.

short answer again...she had to be a bit carefull



other than that .....the point about all this ....is why now all of a sudden ....are the mccs not being protected ....against those of us who have minds of our own

will not have our intelligence insulted ....about being fed the abduction theory all the time....


Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 22, 2016, 12:47:50 PM
katie is having   surgery today maybe this is why she     finally publised her   thoughts   she has more to worry about then  what  the mcans and supporters think of her

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3458287/KATIE-HOPKINS-Today-surgeons-cut-brain-try-cure-epilepsy.html
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Benice on February 22, 2016, 12:49:08 PM
It would have been nice if Kerry Needham had got help without the government having to be shamed into it though, wouldn't it?

I totally agree G - and if SY decided to spend the same kind of money on Ben as they have on Madeleine - I for one would be delighted.

However it cannot be denied IMO --  that it was only because of the investigation into Madeleine's case - that £700,000 was allocated to Ben.   And surely that has to be a good thing. 

Obviously Katie Hopkins would not agree - preferring to just give up on her children - and move on with her life.




Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 12:51:51 PM
I totally agree G - and if SY decided to spend the same kind of money on Ben as they have on Madeleine - I for one would be delighted.

However it cannot be denied IMO --  that it was only because of the investigation into Madeleine's case - that £700,000 was allocated to Ben.   And surely that has to be a good thing. 

Obviously Katie Hopkins would not agree - preferring to just give up on her children - and move on with her life.

That's the bit that stunned me.  Just move on.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 12:54:34 PM


So how do you think Katie Hopkins would feel about not being believed if such a thing should ever happen to her

short answer.................i doubt she will ever have to

However, she certainly appears to believe that Madeleine was abducted.  How do you feel about that.

short answer again...she had to be a bit carefull



other than that .....the point about all this ....is why now all of a sudden ....are the mccs not being protected ....against those of us who have minds of our own

will not have our intelligence insulted ....about being fed the abduction theory all the time....

She had to be a bit careful?  I see.  Support the bits that suit you and twist the bits that don't. 
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2016, 12:56:41 PM
So how do you think Katie Hopkins would feel about not being believed if such a thing should ever happen to her?

However, she certainly appears to believe that Madeleine was abducted.  How do you feel about that.

People tell us things all the time and we decide whether we believe them or not. No-one has the right to be believed as far as I know. You tell your story and people assess it and you and decide what they think. Some people have decided they don't believe what the McCanns have told them. If the same thing happened to Ms Hopkins some people may not believe her either. That's life.

A lot of people believe Madeleine was abducted. What Ms Hopkins believes is that the parents should accept their share of the blame for it, should not be promoting the Child Rescue Alert because they were neglectful parents, and should not have had £11 million of tax payer's money spent on them.

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Carana on February 22, 2016, 12:59:15 PM
katie is having   surgery today maybe this is why she     finally publised her   thoughts   she has more to worry about then  what  the mcans and supporters think of her

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3458287/KATIE-HOPKINS-Today-surgeons-cut-brain-try-cure-epilepsy.html

So perhaps she won't be mocking those suffering from disabilities again for a little while?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 22, 2016, 01:00:09 PM
I don't think that's strictly true G.   Many people who - even though they wouldn't have done the same themselves - believe the McCanns made a human error - but also maintain that the only criminal here is the person who took Madeleine.

Of course those people who have the done the same as the McCanns themselves will obviously have a different attitude towards the Listening method of childcare than those who would never contemplate employing it in the first place.

It's a matter of choice for individual parents.

IMO

...as I heard in a speech last week...

Quote
To err is human, to blame others shows management potential.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 01:27:37 PM
What exactly was it that rattled Ms Hopkins cage  to precipitate her self promoting mean spirited outburst this time?

Let me think back to the beginning ...

Got it!!!!

The mother of a missing child is doing something worthwhile and is spearheading a registration initiative funded by the Royal Mail for people to register to receive alerts in the event of a child going missing.

Her motivation and the driving force behind her involvement is the thought that had there been such a scheme in operation when her child went missing, her story might have had a different ending.

I have Googled a bit about Ms Hopkins career.

I have located a lot of negative and downright nasty comments emanating from her, most of which are designed to promote Ms Hopkins and denigrate just about everything under the sun ... as long as it creates a stir.
One of the penalties of living in an age where those with nothing better to do have been bedazzled by so called reality TV and its 'stars'.

I have seen nothing about any positive action she may have taken on behalf of any other than herself.

It says so much that to some she is a bona fide heroine to those who quite obviously wish the search for Madeleine McCann to be shut down.



For anyone in the United Kingdom who may wish to register and receive alerts on missing children, please text HERO and your postcode to 85080.

Registration costs a standard network text message rate.

It is completely free to sign up at www.childrescuealert.org.uk
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 01:34:18 PM
What exactly was it that rattled Ms Hopkins cage  to precipitate her self promoting mean spirited outburst this time?

Let me think back to the beginning ...

Got it!!!!

The mother of a missing child is doing something worthwhile and is spearheading a registration initiative funded by the Royal Mail for people to register to receive alerts in the event of a child going missing.

Her motivation and the driving force behind her involvement is the thought that had there been such a scheme in operation when her child went missing, her story might have had a different ending.

I have Googled a bit about Ms Hopkins career.

I have located a lot of negative and downright nasty comments emanating from her, most of which are designed to promote Ms Hopkins and denigrate just about everything under the sun ... as long as it creates a stir.
One of the penalties of living in an age where those with nothing better to do have been bedazzled by so called reality TV and its 'stars'.

I have seen nothing about any positive action she may have taken on behalf of any other than herself.

It says so much that to some she is a bona fide heroine to those who quite obviously wish the search for Madeleine McCann to be shut down.



For anyone in the United Kingdom who may wish to register and receive alerts on missing children, please text HERO and your postcode to 85080.

Registration costs a standard network text message rate.

It is completely free to sign up at www.childrescuealert.org.uk

Maybe what she has said an is opinion held by many other people and one you don't want to hear.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 22, 2016, 01:40:08 PM
Maybe what she has said an is opinion held by many other people and one you don't want to hear.

The criticism I see from the comments is not to leave children alone which is fair comment

I don't see much other criticism apart from that
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 01:43:24 PM
Maybe what she has said an is opinion held by many other people and one you don't want to hear.

We have heard it all before, Stephen.  Many times.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 01:45:17 PM
We have heard it all before, Stephen.  Many times.

So what.

We've all heard about 'abduction', many times before.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2016, 01:47:43 PM
But I thought the consensus of opinion was that The Government were shamed into helping The McCanns.  Am I wrong about that?

David Cameron and Teresa May were allegedly 'persuaded' by Rebecca Brooks.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 01:52:42 PM
David Cameron and Teresa May were allegedly 'persuaded' by Rebecca Brooks.

So alright for some, but not for others.  Such hypocrisy leaves me defeated at times.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Jean-Pierre on February 22, 2016, 01:54:15 PM
Thank you Brietta

slightly off topic, perhaps, but a good illustration of Hopkins dedication to the facts and the truth in her pursuit of "free speech" is her allegation towards Jack Monroe, who she accused of vandalising a war memorial.  She had in fact confused Jack Monroe with a journalist called Laurie Penny.   Ooops!

And of course an apology was somewhat beneath her.  I gather JM is now suing her for £50k.   

 

 

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: faithlilly on February 22, 2016, 01:57:45 PM
What exactly was it that rattled Ms Hopkins cage  to precipitate her self promoting mean spirited outburst this time?

Let me think back to the beginning ...

Got it!!!!

The mother of a missing child is doing something worthwhile and is spearheading a registration initiative funded by the Royal Mail for people to register to receive alerts in the event of a child going missing.

Her motivation and the driving force behind her involvement is the thought that had there been such a scheme in operation when her child went missing, her story might have had a different ending.

I have Googled a bit about Ms Hopkins career.

I have located a lot of negative and downright nasty comments emanating from her, most of which are designed to promote Ms Hopkins and denigrate just about everything under the sun ... as long as it creates a stir.
One of the penalties of living in an age where those with nothing better to do have been bedazzled by so called reality TV and its 'stars'.

I have seen nothing about any positive action she may have taken on behalf of any other than herself.

It says so much that to some she is a bona fide heroine to those who quite obviously wish the search for Madeleine McCann to be shut down.



For anyone in the United Kingdom who may wish to register and receive alerts on missing children, please text HERO and your postcode to 85080.

Registration costs a standard network text message rate.

It is completely free to sign up at www.childrescuealert.org.uk

And Hopkins being as nasty as she obviously is makes it all the more surprising how many members of the public are actually supporting her in this.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 02:02:19 PM
Thank you Brietta

slightly off topic, perhaps, but a good illustration of Hopkins dedication to the facts and the truth in her pursuit of "free speech" is her allegation towards Jack Monroe, who she accused of vandalising a war memorial.  She had in fact confused Jack Monroe with a journalist called Laurie Penny.   Ooops!

And of course an apology was somewhat beneath her.  I gather JM is now suing her for £50k.   

Really?  How amusing.  So she got that wrong as well.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 02:03:58 PM
And Hopkins being as nasty as she obviously is makes it all the more surprising how many members of the public are actually supporting her in this.

Not really.  There are some very nasty people out there, sad to say.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 22, 2016, 02:04:33 PM
How many of the public are not supporting her on this?  Got any stats?   If you read the comments at the end of any article about the forthcoming EU referendum you'll be left with the impression that the vast majority of Britain will be voting Out.  So, is it a foregone conclusion that the Out vote will win by a large margin?  Are online newspaper comments really representative of the nation's views as a whole?   
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2016, 02:07:55 PM
The self-promoting controversial Ms Hopkins who thrives on dissent has shot herself in the foot this time then. Her latest rant has brought her huge public support instead of vilification. Whoops!
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 22, 2016, 02:11:08 PM
The self-promoting controversial Ms Hopkins who thrives on dissent has shot herself in the foot this time then. Her latest rant has brought her huge public support instead of vilification. Whoops!
Don't worry, she be back to being universally hated the next time she sneers at children's corpses being washed up on Turkish beaches.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 03:11:01 PM
And Hopkins being as nasty as she obviously is makes it all the more surprising how many members of the public are actually supporting her in this.


i think its more they that they don't believe the abduction ...they are supporting ...not K H
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 22, 2016, 03:12:37 PM
The self-promoting controversial Ms Hopkins who thrives on dissent has shot herself in the foot this time then. Her latest rant has brought her huge public support instead of vilification. Whoops!

It's brought fairly high decibels of noise from a (thankfully small) number of vociferous McCann-detractors.

I guess Ms Hopkins regards that as a triumph.

She and Sonia Poulton were made for each other ....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 03:14:13 PM

i think its more they that they don't believe the abduction ...they are supporting ...not K H

KH is obviously supporting The Abduction.  Or haven't her fans cottoned on?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 22, 2016, 03:18:35 PM
KH is obviously supporting The Abduction.  Or haven't her fans cottoned on?

A bit of a leap of logic there. She is criticising the McCs or leaving the kids, she doesn't appear to have put forward a theory as to what happened.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 03:21:28 PM
A bit of a leap of logic there. She is criticising the McCs or leaving the kids, she doesn't appear to have put forward a theory as to what happened.

She said that they left Madeleine to be found.  Found by who, do you think?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 03:21:39 PM
KH is obviously supporting The Abduction.  Or haven't her fans cottoned on?


i think what you haven't cottoned on to ..is all the other stuff she has mentioned

i think even you must realise ...she has dared to to tell the mccs what she thinks of them ....and got away with it ...

not so much a fan of hers .....but applaud ..she had the bottle to do it ...

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 03:26:09 PM
She said that they left Madeleine to be found.  Found by who, do you think?


well you don't know who.....or what state maddie was in when they found her ....not necessarily abductor ...

that could mean all sorts of things ....how do you know she was even alive when found ....you don't do you.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 03:26:33 PM

i think what you haven't cottoned on to ..is all the other stuff she has mentioned

i think even you must realise ...she has dared to to tell the mccs what she thinks of them ....and got away with it ...

not so much a fan of hers .....but applaud ..she had the bottle to do it ...

I wouldn't bank on her getting away with it if I were you.  But we have heard it all before, so hardly ground breaking.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 03:28:35 PM

well you don't know who.....or what state maddie was in when they found her ....not necessarily abductor ...

that could mean all sorts of things ....how do you know she was even alive when found ....you don't do you.

Obfuscation.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Carana on February 22, 2016, 03:29:43 PM

i think what you haven't cottoned on to ..is all the other stuff she has mentioned

i think even you must realise ...she has dared to to tell the mccs what she thinks of them ....and got away with it ...

not so much a fan of hers .....but applaud ..she had the bottle to do it ...

A bottle of what?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 22, 2016, 03:29:54 PM
I wouldn't bank on her getting away with it if I were you.  But we have heard it all before, so hardly ground breaking.

WE have, but has the wider readership of the DM heard it before?  They certainly have now.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 22, 2016, 03:32:40 PM
A bottle of what?

Phenytoin  or carbamazepine by the sounds of it.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 03:35:02 PM
I wouldn't bank on her getting away with it if I were you.  But we have heard it all before, so hardly ground breaking.


well we will see....it obviously  bothers you more than it does me ....

the abduction ...is the biggest bore...and the mccs
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 03:36:04 PM
WE have, but has the wider readership of the DM heard it before?  They certainly have now.

They've heard that Prince Phillip had loads of affairs and hated The Queen Mother.  No doubt equally fascinating.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 03:37:11 PM
A bottle of what?


courage ...sweetie ...courage.......the mccs...dont seem so protected ...as we might think ...so there may be more to come
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 03:38:32 PM

well we will see....it obviously  bothers you more than it does me ....

the abduction ...is the biggest bore...and the mccs

Yes, of course.  Abducted children are always boring, aren't they.  Even Katy Hopkins appears to think that.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 03:38:54 PM
I wouldn't bank on her getting away with it if I were you.  But we have heard it all before, so hardly ground breaking.

Getting away with what exactly ?

Well to the discerning eye, the mccanns have got away with child neglect.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 03:40:19 PM

i think what you haven't cottoned on to ..is all the other stuff she has mentioned

i think even you must realise ...she has dared to to tell the mccs what she thinks of them ....and got away with it ...

not so much a fan of hers .....but applaud ..she had the bottle to do it ...

LOL ... Katie Hopkins is a Wind Up Merchant of the first order who in my opinion dares to do what is best for Katie Hopkin's and Katie Hopkin's bank balance.

The more she winds up the gullible to make her seem 'controversial' must obviously be seen as a selling point by someone somewhere or she simply wouldn't do it and maybe have to work out another way of earning a crust with little effort.

There is always an audience somewhere worth pandering to for the purpose of manipulation (no 'cause' or higher ideal than the next pay cheque) ... there are always those too blind to realise they are being used.

She really is quite an operator.  Diversification and changing headlines means she can insult swathes of opinion without fear of repetition and thus maintain her media 'persona'.
All without having  to make much of an effort to 'earn' a crust.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 22, 2016, 03:41:59 PM
Getting away with what exactly ?

Well to the discerning eye, the mccanns have got away with child neglect.

You probably actually do consider yourself more discerning than the Portuguese prosecutors ....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 04:03:49 PM
They've heard that Prince Phillip had loads of affairs and hated The Queen Mother.  No doubt equally fascinating.


isn't that off topic........or is it do as i say .......not as i do
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 04:07:02 PM
You probably actually do consider yourself more discerning than the Portuguese prosecutors ....

Well eady judgement on events and what the mccanns failed to do.

Question is, why the prosecutors didn't see the obvious as well.

Or perhaps they did and .......
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 04:08:37 PM
LOL ... Katie Hopkins is a Wind Up Merchant of the first order who in my opinion dares to do what is best for Katie Hopkin's and Katie Hopkin's bank balance.

The more she winds up the gullible to make her seem 'controversial' must obviously be seen as a selling point by someone somewhere or she simply wouldn't do it and maybe have to work out another way of earning a crust with little effort.

There is always an audience somewhere worth pandering to for the purpose of manipulation (no 'cause' or higher ideal than the next pay cheque) ... there are always those too blind to realise they are being used.

She really is quite an operator.  Diversification and changing headlines means she can insult swathes of opinion without fear of repetition and thus maintain her media 'persona'.
All without having  to make much of an effort to 'earn' a crust.



 @)(++(*........well she has certainly wound you up ....and rattled your cage...


LOL ... Katie Hopkins is a Wind Up Merchant of the first order who in my opinion dares to do what is best for Katie Hopkin's and Katie Hopkin's bank balance.



sounds more like the mccs to me
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2016, 04:14:32 PM
We have heard it all before, Stephen.  Many times.

In a newspaper? I must have missed that.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 22, 2016, 04:18:31 PM
Just think back to those good old Mirror Forum days  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 04:18:48 PM
In a newspaper? I must have missed that.

 8((()*/
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2016, 04:22:18 PM
It's brought fairly high decibels of noise from a (thankfully small) number of vociferous McCann-detractors.

I guess Ms Hopkins regards that as a triumph.

She and Sonia Poulton were made for each other ....

Most of the shrieks of outrage are being emitted by those who support the McCann story imo. None of them are addressing what she said, they are googling madly to find stories to discredit the woman. Attack the messenger, not the message as usual I guess.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 22, 2016, 04:22:53 PM
KH is obviously supporting The Abduction.  Or haven't her fans cottoned on?
LOL.  I wondered if they'd spotted that, obv. not.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 04:24:29 PM
Just think back to those good old Mirror Forum days  ?{)(**

Yes.  It as all fairly civilised in those days.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 04:25:27 PM
Most of the shrieks of outrage are being emitted by those who support the McCann story imo. None of them are addressing what she said, they are googling madly to find stories to discredit the woman. Attack the messenger, not the message as usual I guess.

I know what she said.  Madeleine was Abducted.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2016, 04:36:50 PM
LOL.  I wondered if they'd spotted that, obv. not.

Well she doesn't seem to be expecting an arrest or a child being found anytime soon;

We are not the police. We cannot pretend to know what really went on.
What happened that night will remain a mystery and someone will take the truth to their grave


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Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 22, 2016, 04:41:29 PM
LOL.  I wondered if they'd spotted that, obv. not.


Probably not the primary message they are taking from the article.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 04:45:55 PM

isn't that off topic........or is it do as i say .......not as i do

She 'rattles my cage' not one bit ... I haven't been taken in by her.  Can you give just one instance when Ms Hopkins has shown any self restraint in 'speaking out' about anyone or anything she thinks may add to her notoriety.

There is a market and an audience for those who wish to spew bile against Madeleine and the McCann family ... Ms Hopkins has merely tapped into it.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 04:50:19 PM
She 'rattles my cage' not one bit ... I haven't been taken in by her.  Can you give just one instance when Ms Hopkins has shown any self restraint in 'speaking out' about anyone or anything she thinks may add to her notoriety.

There is a market and an audience for those who wish to spew bile against Madeleine and the McCann family ... Ms Hopkins has merely tapped into it.

In your totally biased opinion, as normal.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 04:54:00 PM
I know what she said.  Madeleine was Abducted.



sounds here like she is pointing out about the g mcc ...lookalike





Even our British broadcaster was in on the act. A Crimewatch Special in 2013 featuring new photo-fits of Maddie’s abductor failed to acknowledge that the McCanns had been sitting on these pictures for nearly five years.
Pictures compiled by their own investigation team whose report they later hid from view when it pointed the finger of blame in a direction Gerry didn't enjoy.
They left their child in an unlocked ground-floor apartment next to two busy roads. Too self-assured to hire a babysitter and too self-centred to care.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 04:55:37 PM


sounds here like she is pointing out about the g mcc ...lookalike





Even our British broadcaster was in on the act. A Crimewatch Special in 2013 featuring new photo-fits of Maddie’s abductor failed to acknowledge that the McCanns had been sitting on these pictures for nearly five years.
Pictures compiled by their own investigation team whose report they later hid from view when it pointed the finger of blame in a direction Gerry didn't enjoy.
They left their child in an unlocked ground-floor apartment next to two busy roads. Too self-assured to hire a babysitter and too self-centred to care.

Well that's a lie.  One that cost The Times.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 04:57:28 PM
She 'rattles my cage' not one bit ... I haven't been taken in by her.  Can you give just one instance when Ms Hopkins has shown any self restraint in 'speaking out' about anyone or anything she thinks may add to her notoriety.

There is a market and an audience for those who wish to spew bile against Madeleine and the McCann family ... Ms Hopkins has merely tapped into it.


what as that got to do with .do as i say...not as i do ....are you in such a tizzy......you quoted the wrong post  8**8:/:
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 04:59:06 PM
Well that's a lie.  One that cost The Times.
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well that's what she wrote.........so she obviously is not bothered


Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 05:06:03 PM
I see 87% blame the mccanns in the avenging Standard poll now for the disappearance of Madeleine.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 05:08:25 PM
In your totally biased opinion, as normal.

There appear to be those who think Ms Hopkins is valiant for 'speaking out' and not merely opportunistic.  A heroine of our time indeed.

There is no evidence that Ms Hopkins has been prevented from speaking out about anything ... just pressing another button in the litany which she knows will go down well with her target audience.

Ms Hopkins appears to share your opinion when she says ..."Now the faces I associate with neglect are being used to promote the Child Rescue Alert campaign ... ".
A very brave and heroic statement indeed.  However it does raise the question about what endeavour Ms Hopkins has ever undertaken to promote any good cause or what campaigns she can be associated with which are designed to help others?

She is entitled to her opinion ... she is entitled to make money out voicing those opinions if she can get away with it and obviously she can ... I am entitled to think she is less venal than those who swallow her pronouncements without bothering to think them through.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 05:11:22 PM
There appear to be those who think Ms Hopkins is valiant for 'speaking out' and not merely opportunistic.  A heroine of our time indeed.

There is no evidence that Ms Hopkins has been prevented from speaking out about anything ... just pressing another button in the litany which she knows will go down well with her target audience.

Ms Hopkins appears to share your opinion when she says ..."Now the faces I associate with neglect are being used to promote the Child Rescue Alert campaign ... ".
A very brave and heroic statement indeed.  However it does raise the question about what endeavour Ms Hopkins has ever undertaken to promote any good cause or what campaigns she can be associated with which are designed to help others?

She is entitled to her opinion ... she is entitled to make money out voicing those opinions if she can get away with it and obviously she can ... I am entitled to think she is less venal than those who swallow her pronouncements without bothering to think them through.

You can wax lyrical until the end of time.

The comments section in the Mail and the poll in the Standard will please the mccanns. 8)--))
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 22, 2016, 05:12:35 PM

Probably not the primary message they are taking from the article.
. The primary message from the article is that it is not a good idea to leave children as the McCanns did
I agree with that but I don't agree with the constant harassment directed at them for making that decision
They thought it was safe....as many have thought before them...unfortunately they were wrong
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 22, 2016, 05:15:51 PM
You can wax lyrical until the end of time.

The comments section in the Mail and the poll in the Standard will please the mccanns. 8)--))

the anti McCann comments are cruel and totally unnecessary
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 05:23:15 PM
You can wax lyrical until the end of time.

The comments section in the Mail and the poll in the Standard will please the mccanns. 8)--))

I would be a very strange person indeed if I thought that jumping on to a bandwagon for the express purpose of venting my spleen on an innocent couple who have suffered unimaginable trauma is the right and appropriate thing to do.

I don't take pleasure in kangaroo courts and have a very low opinion of their memberships or those who promote them.

Which is probably why I do not share your opinion of the comments made by Ms Hopkins nor the ants nest she has stirred in making them.

Just a tawdry diversion from all that is really important in Madeleine McCann's case.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 05:25:56 PM
the anti McCann comments are cruel and totally unnecessary

I haven't even bothered to go there ... I have read them all so many, many times before ... they don't even shock or disgust anymore.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 05:26:10 PM
I would be a very strange person indeed if I thought that jumping on to a bandwagon for the express purpose of venting my spleen on an innocent couple who have suffered unimaginable trauma is the right and appropriate thing to do.

I don't take pleasure in kangaroo courts and have a very low opinion of their memberships or those who promote them.

Which is probably why I do not share your opinion of the comments made by Ms Hopkins nor the ants nest she has stirred in making them.

Just a tawdry diversion from all that is really important in Madeleine McCann's case.

You really can't comprehend why people don't believe the mccanns story or are just sick to the teeth of them playing 'poor me' in the papers.

I suggest you go out into the real world and find out.

It might be enlightening.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 22, 2016, 05:29:49 PM

i think what you haven't cottoned on to ..is all the other stuff she has mentioned

i think even you must realise ...she has dared to to tell the mccs what she thinks of them ....and got away with it ...

not so much a fan of hers .....but applaud ..she had the bottle to do it ...

Of course she got away with it.

(I think!) English libel laws (as they are now couched) allow her to get away with it.

But even if there was a question mark (over whether Ms Hopkins has transgressed the laws of libel, or whether she hasn't) do you really think she has produced a piece to be proud of?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 05:31:03 PM
Oh by the way brietta are you referring to the 'innocent couple' who needlessly and selfishly risked their children's safety, merely to socialise with their associates ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 05:32:12 PM
Of course she got away with it.

(I think!) English libel laws (as they are now couched) allow her to get away with it.

But even if there was a question mark (over whether Ms Hopkins has transgressed the laws of libel, or whether she hasn't) do you really think she has produced a piece to be proud of?

Read the comments page, and look at the poll in the Evening Standard.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 22, 2016, 05:51:33 PM
I would be a very strange person indeed if I thought that jumping on to a bandwagon for the express purpose of venting my spleen on an innocent couple who have suffered unimaginable trauma is the right and appropriate thing to do.

I don't take pleasure in kangaroo courts and have a very low opinion of their memberships or those who promote them.

Which is probably why I do not share your opinion of the comments made by Ms Hopkins nor the ants nest she has stirred in making them.

Just a tawdry diversion from all that is really important in Madeleine McCann's case.



what they have gone through is nothing.....compared to what maddie did.

they deserve all they get......maddie doesn't

the mccs had a choice.....maddie didn't.........at three year old ...maddie paid the price of what they did


the mccs are not a innocent couple.they caused it....maddie was a innocent child
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 22, 2016, 05:57:30 PM

Probably not the primary message they are taking from the article.
Of course not, they're all too busy frothing with glee at the fact that someone said something nasty about the McCanns in a national newspaper - what a total and utter victory for the [ censored word ]s, this has got their year off to a stupendous start, bless them.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 22, 2016, 05:58:21 PM
Well she doesn't seem to be expecting an arrest or a child being found anytime soon;

We are not the police. We cannot pretend to know what really went on.
What happened that night will remain a mystery and someone will take the truth to their grave


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So what?  Neither am I.  What's your point?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 22, 2016, 06:00:49 PM
There is a nugget of sense in Katie's article and it is this:

We are not the police. We cannot pretend to know what really went on.

And yet we are all guilty of doing just that, including Katie herself.  Now, if everybody just kept their opinions to themselves regarding what they think went on and let the police get on with it, how would the world be a worse place exactly?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 22, 2016, 06:05:52 PM
There is a nugget of sense in Katie's article and it is this:

We are not the police. We cannot pretend to know what really went on.

And yet we are all guilty of doing just that, including Katie herself.  Now, if everybody just kept their opinions to themselves regarding what they think went on and let the police get on with it, how would the world be a worse place exactly?

Tell that to Colin Stagg...
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 22, 2016, 06:06:26 PM
Tell that to Colin Stagg...
Why would I want to tell that to Colin Stagg exactly?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on February 22, 2016, 06:06:42 PM
She 'rattles my cage' not one bit ... I haven't been taken in by her.  Can you give just one instance when Ms Hopkins has shown any self restraint in 'speaking out' about anyone or anything she thinks may add to her notoriety.

There is a market and an audience for those who wish to spew bile against Madeleine and the McCann family ... Ms Hopkins has merely tapped into it.

Please give examples of people "spewing bile against Madeleine".
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 22, 2016, 06:12:40 PM
Please give examples of people "spewing bile against Madeleine".
I do recall a discussion about Madeleine on one of the "sceptic" sites in which her looks were pulled apart, something to the effect of "it's probably just as well she's dead otherwise she'd have grown up to look just like her Dad, poor kid".  I'm sure there's been other stuff too,
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 22, 2016, 06:13:25 PM
Why would I want to tell that to Colin Stagg exactly?

Well if you don't understand that, there is no help for you.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 06:14:37 PM
You really can't comprehend why people don't believe the mccanns story or are just sick to the teeth of them playing 'poor me' in the papers.

I suggest you go out into the real world and find out.

It might be enlightening.

I don't have the slightest problem with people's beliefs.  What I find incomprehensible and beneath contempt is the base manner in which some choose to express them.
Ms Hopkins is merely a reflection of a phenomenon which illustrates the misuse of the www which has the propensity to achieve so much good but some parts of which have been taken over by really vile elements.

I live in the real world among real people ... quite often I have some doubts about others but am far too polite to express them.  I was taught manners.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2016, 06:15:37 PM
There is a nugget of sense in Katie's article and it is this:

We are not the police. We cannot pretend to know what really went on.

And yet we are all guilty of doing just that, including Katie herself.  Now, if everybody just kept their opinions to themselves regarding what they think went on and let the police get on with it, how would the world be a worse place exactly?

You going first then?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 22, 2016, 06:16:02 PM
Well if you don't understand that, there is no help for you.
No, I'm sorry - I don't understand why I should be discussing this case with Colin Stagg, why won't you help me?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 06:17:27 PM
I don't have the slightest problem with people's beliefs.  What I find incomprehensible and beneath contempt is the base manner in which some choose to express them.
Ms Hopkins is merely a reflection of a phenomenon which illustrates the misuse of the www which has the propensity to achieve so much good but some parts of which have been taken over by really vile elements.

I live in the real world among real people ... quite often I have some doubts about others but am far too polite to express them.  I was taught manners.

No one has abused Madeleine.

People have conveyed their opinion though on two parents who have milked the system  as a result of their incompetent parenting.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 22, 2016, 06:24:27 PM
No, I'm sorry - I don't understand why I should be discussing this case with Colin Stagg, why won't you help me?

Talk about obtuse.

Quote
Now, if everybody just kept their opinions to themselves regarding what they think went on and let the police get on with it, how would the world be a worse place exactly?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2016, 06:24:51 PM
If I wasn't in the thick of this I would not believe that it was going on.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 22, 2016, 06:26:18 PM
Well if you don't understand that, there is no help for you.

Lord Justice Ognall made plain the innocence of Colin Stagg, just as the Portuguese prosecutors made plain the innocence of the McCanns.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 22, 2016, 06:27:55 PM
Lord Justice Ognall made plain the innocence of Colin Stagg, just as the Portuguese prosecutors made plain the innocence of the McCanns.

He isn't the police.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 06:28:49 PM
Oh by the way brietta are you referring to the 'innocent couple' who needlessly and selfishly risked their children's safety, merely to socialise with their associates ?


I am referring to the innocent couple who are the victims of a heinous crime who have had every possible obstruction thrown into their path to obstruct every strategy they were forced to use to get officialdom to do what should have been done in the first instance ... and that was to continue the search for their missing daughter.

Who benefits from that attitude ... apart from carpet baggers like Ms Hopkins?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 22, 2016, 06:30:36 PM
He isn't the police.

Neither are the Portuguese prosecutors.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 22, 2016, 06:30:54 PM

I am referring to the innocent couple who are the victims of a heinous crime who have had every possible obstruction thrown into their path to obstruct every strategy they were forced to use to get officialdom to do what should have been done in the first instance ... and that was to continue the search for their missing daughter.

Who benefits from that attitude ... apart from carpet baggers like Ms Hopkins?

When were they abducted?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 22, 2016, 06:31:30 PM
Talk about obtuse.
OK, you want me to tell Colin Stagg that we should just keep our opinions to ourselves about the case and let the police get on with it and he will say: "no, keep on expressing your opinions about it and pretending you know more than the police because that will prevent people like me being falsely accused by them" - is that what you're saying?  I'm sorry but I don't see the connection between members of the general public pretending they know stuff the police do and chatting about it online and the police falsely accusing innocent people of crimes they didn't commit (you could in fact have used the McCanns for this example too btw... 8(0(* )
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 22, 2016, 06:31:57 PM
When were they abducted?

the family are victims too
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 06:32:29 PM

I am referring to the innocent couple who are the victims of a heinous crime who have had every possible obstruction thrown into their path to obstruct every strategy they were forced to use to get officialdom to do what should have been done in the first instance ... and that was to continue the search for their missing daughter.

Who benefits from that attitude ... apart from carpet baggers like Ms Hopkins?

They are the ones who RECKLESSLY ENDANGERED their children.

As to the crime, unknown , if any occurred.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 22, 2016, 06:34:49 PM
Neither are the Portuguese prosecutors.

Strange how it wasn't alright to leave it to the PJ, it wasn't alright to leave Colin Stagg to the police, yet for some reason we shouldn't question SY, OG or the McCanns.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 22, 2016, 06:35:58 PM
I see 87% blame the mccanns in the avenging Standard poll now for the disappearance of Madeleine.

I think you will find those people believe by leaving Maddie they exposed her to abduction
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 22, 2016, 06:39:31 PM
When were they abducted?

(Madeleine) May 3rd 2007.

It takes a modicum of intelligence to understand why that event would have been traumatic for Madeleine's parents, a trauma magnified by being falsely accused, of responsibility for her disappearance, for a 'cover-up', and of launching a fraudulent 'fund' in their (asserted as 'fact') 'dead' daughter's name ...
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 06:41:13 PM
(Madeleine) May 3rd 2007.

It takes a modicum of intelligence to understand why that event would have been traumatic for Madeleine's parents, a trauma magnified by being falsely accused, of responsibility for her disappearance, for a 'cover-up', and of launching a fraudulent 'fund' in their (asserted as 'fact') 'dead' daughter's name ...

It merely requires a modicum of intelligence to see what happened has yet to be determined, or for anyone to be charged, if any crime occurred.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 06:42:19 PM


what they have gone through is nothing.....compared to what maddie did.

they deserve all they get......maddie doesn't

the mccs had a choice.....maddie didn't.........at three year old ...maddie paid the price of what they did


the mccs are not a innocent couple.they caused it....maddie was a innocent child

Madeleine is entitled to the right to be looked for without let or hindrance as long as there are active lines of inquiry to be followed.

The opprobrium directed at her parents helps Madeleine exactly how??

Little people with small minds with access to a column in a tabloid excoriating her parents helps Madeleine in what way?

Unfortunately there have always been those who enjoy a good witch hunt ... but the stamina and the mindset to keep it up for almost nine years must take some beating.

This may be fun and games to some ... but another anniversary ... and another birthday without their eldest child is fast approaching for the McCann family.  Most normal people can have a little bit of understanding of how that must be for them ... the others are just a lost cause and not really worth bothering about.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 22, 2016, 06:43:00 PM
(Madeleine) May 3rd 2007.

It takes a modicum of intelligence to understand why that event would have been traumatic for Madeleine's parents, a trauma magnified by being falsely accused, of responsibility for her disappearance, for a 'cover-up', and of launching a fraudulent 'fund' in their (asserted as 'fact') 'dead' daughter's name ...

Madeleine was the primary victim. If it had been a possession that was stolen then they would have been the victims.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 22, 2016, 06:44:23 PM
Madeleine was the primary victim. If it had been a possession that was stolen then they would have been the victims.


that really is rubbish ...maddie's family are the victims of a crime
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 06:44:54 PM
When were they abducted?

Is that what now passes for informed debate or comment on the forum?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 22, 2016, 06:47:09 PM
Is the light (slowly) dawning that Madeleine was abducted?

Progress of sorts, if so.

It maybe takes a while longer to develop the quality of compassion for the trauma experienced by the parents (and extended family) of an abducted child ....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 22, 2016, 06:49:11 PM
The title of the thread: anyone would think that her article contains something that hasn't been said before ....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 06:49:32 PM
Madeleine is entitled to the right to be looked for without let or hindrance as long as there are active lines of inquiry to be followed.

The opprobrium directed at her parents helps Madeleine exactly how??

Little people with small minds with access to a column in a tabloid excoriating her parents helps Madeleine in what way?

Unfortunately there have always been those who enjoy a good witch hunt ... but the stamina and the mindset to keep it up for almost nine years must take some beating.

This may be fun and games to some ... but another anniversary ... and another birthday without their eldest child is fast approaching for the McCann family.  Most normal people can have a little bit of understanding of how that must be for them ... the others are just a lost cause and not really worth bothering about.

She was looked for, extensively.

Nothing has been found then or now.

As to the mccanns being without their eldest child, start by blaming them for what they did wrong.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2016, 06:49:53 PM
I think you will find those people believe by leaving Maddie they exposed her to abduction

Unlike those who think leaving your children alone in an unlocked apartment and letting people know you've done so isn't stupid beyond belief. The fact that they are 'educated medical professionals' and not 'dysfunctional council tenants' makes it even more unbelievable. In fact some don't believe they actually did that.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 06:50:39 PM
Is the light (slowly) dawning that Madeleine was abducted?

Progress of sorts, if so.

It maybe takes a while longer to develop the quality of compassion for the trauma experienced by the parents (and extended family) of an abducted child ....


 &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 06:51:04 PM
Please give examples of people "spewing bile against Madeleine".

   NO!!!  If you are really that interested ... google it yourself.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 22, 2016, 06:51:46 PM

that really is rubbish ...maddie's family are the victims of a crime

Agreed. Our youngest son was assaulted many years ago by a drunken lout.
He quickly recovered physically and was not traumatized at all by the incident.
Victim support visited our home, not for him but for me.
They visited several times to help me recover from the incident.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 06:52:25 PM
   NO!!!  If you are really that interested ... google it yourself.

You implied it was in the Mail's comment section on the current article.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 07:04:34 PM
You implied it was in the Mail's comment section on the current article.

I haven't bothered to read the current section in the Mail ... I have read it all before.

Where do you see any such implication in my post which said ...

"She 'rattles my cage' not one bit ... I haven't been taken in by her.  Can you give just one instance when Ms Hopkins has shown any self restraint in 'speaking out' about anyone or anything she thinks may add to her notoriety.

There is a market and an audience for those who wish to spew bile against Madeleine and the McCann family ... Ms Hopkins has merely tapped into it."


I think there may be something lacking in your English language comprehension skills if you read any 'implication' there.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 22, 2016, 07:13:12 PM
Madeleine is entitled to the right to be looked for without let or hindrance as long as there are active lines of inquiry to be followed.

The opprobrium directed at her parents helps Madeleine exactly how??

Little people with small minds with access to a column in a tabloid excoriating her parents helps Madeleine in what way?

Unfortunately there have always been those who enjoy a good witch hunt ... but the stamina and the mindset to keep it up for almost nine years must take some beating.

This may be fun and games to some ... but another anniversary ... and another birthday without their eldest child is fast approaching for the McCann family.  Most normal people can have a little bit of understanding of how that must be for them ... the others are just a lost cause and not really worth bothering about.

The McCanns may or may not be innocent of a crime connected with the disappearance of their daughter. Many people think they were guilty of the crime of neglect, however. Had the disappearance occurred in the UK they may well have faced more problems with that than they did under Portuguese law.

Some have managed to ignore all the strange aspects of this case and have spent years castigating those who have noticed them. Those claiming the high moral ground in this debate seem unable to grasp that they are defending what others see as indefensible. Claiming the high moral ground is a tactic, just like referring to unrelated cases and ad hominem attacks are tactics.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 07:17:45 PM
I haven't bothered to read the current section in the Mail ... I have read it all before.

Where do you see any such implication in my post which said ...

"She 'rattles my cage' not one bit ... I haven't been taken in by her.  Can you give just one instance when Ms Hopkins has shown any self restraint in 'speaking out' about anyone or anything she thinks may add to her notoriety.

There is a market and an audience for those who wish to spew bile against Madeleine and the McCann family ... Ms Hopkins has merely tapped into it."


I think there may be something lacking in your English language comprehension skills if you read any 'implication' there.

Why won't you criticize the mccanns for what they failed to do.

How about her calling a police officer merely doing his job a 'f#####g t####r' or the mccanns calling other officers 'tweedledum  and tweedledee' ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: pathfinder73 on February 22, 2016, 07:25:03 PM
After 3 months of clutching it in hot and sweaty hands, even sun cream is unlikely to have been the dominant smell.

Eddie picked precious CC out of a bin at the villa. Not so precious it seems unless a camera was present.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on February 22, 2016, 07:45:27 PM
I do recall a discussion about Madeleine on one of the "sceptic" sites in which her looks were pulled apart, something to the effect of "it's probably just as well she's dead otherwise she'd have grown up to look just like her Dad, poor kid".  I'm sure there's been other stuff too,
I could recall all sorts of things. I was rather hoping the expert debaters could come up with a cite or two.
Not "oh I read it somewhere I fink".
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 22, 2016, 07:57:32 PM
Strange how it wasn't alright to leave it to the PJ, it wasn't alright to leave Colin Stagg to the police, yet for some reason we shouldn't question SY, OG or the McCanns.
"We are not the police. We cannot pretend to know what really went on" - Katie Hopkins.  Do you disagree with delightful Katie?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 22, 2016, 07:59:17 PM
I could recall all sorts of things. I was rather hoping the expert debaters could come up with a cite or two.
Not "oh I read it somewhere I fink".
Oh I'm sure there's a screen shot of it somewhere, but I'm not the sort to collect them.  Maybe someone else will help you out, as you seem very eager to read the bile against Madeleine.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 08:02:46 PM
Oh I'm sure there's a screen shot of it somewhere, but I'm not the sort to collect them.  Maybe someone else will help you out, as you seem very eager to read the bile against Madeleine.

What bile has there been against Madeleine on here or in the Mail comments ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on February 22, 2016, 08:04:01 PM
Oh I'm sure there's a screen shot of it somewhere, but I'm not the sort to collect them.  Maybe someone else will help you out, as you seem very eager to read the bile against Madeleine.

Not really, I was questioning it's very existence. No one has posted anything yet so maybe it is a figment of overly fertile imaginations.




Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 09:15:21 PM
Why won't you criticize the mccanns for what they failed to do.

How about her calling a police officer merely doing his job a 'f#####g t####r' or the mccanns calling other officers 'tweedledum  and tweedledee' ?

      Very impressive dossier there.

(http://alexsfunplace.com/ADF/coloringbook/images/AliceTweedledumTweedledee.gif)
 

After nine years you have managed to come up with 'tweedledum  and tweedledee' and an expression which in retrospect was not only appropriate when used but proved to be remarkably prescient in the light of subsequent events.

Ms Hopkins was certainly a bit more inventive than that.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 09:22:32 PM
      Very impressive dossier there.

(http://alexsfunplace.com/ADF/coloringbook/images/AliceTweedledumTweedledee.gif)
 

After nine years you have managed to come up with 'tweedledum  and tweedledee' and an expression which in retrospect was not only appropriate when used but proved to be remarkably prescient in the light of subsequent events.

Ms Hopkins was certainly a bit more inventive than that.


Actually the two descriptions given by either one or both of the mccanns could easily be turned inwards.

I note you are unable to criticise either of the pair whose less than masterful skills initiated events that led to the disappearance of their daughter.

Could you explain why you never put the blame where it lies ?

Or are you too 1-dimensional to accept the mccanns are responsible for their actions ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 09:33:13 PM

Actually the two descriptions given by either one or both of the mccanns could easily be turned inwards.

I note you are unable to criticise either of the pair whose less than masterful skills initiated events that led to the disappearance of their daughter.

Could you explain why you never put the blame where it lies ?

Or are you too 1-dimensional to accept the mccanns are responsible for their actions ?


I always put the blame for Madeleine's disappearance exactly where it lies ... and that is entirely the responsibility of the criminal who abducted her.

Neither you or Ms Hopkins seem too concerned about that ... although she at least recognises that there was a kidnapping and therefore an abductor.

Are all criminals blameless in your eyes ... or only the one in particular who must have caused unimaginable pain to the McCann family and the child s/he stole from all that she knew and loved?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 09:40:55 PM

I always put the blame for Madeleine's disappearance exactly where it lies ... and that is entirely the responsibility of the criminal who abducted her.

Neither you or Ms Hopkins seem too concerned about that ... although she at least recognises that there was a kidnapping and therefore an abductor.

Are all criminals blameless in your eyes ... or only the one in particular who must have caused unimaginable pain to the McCann family and the child s/he stole from all that she knew and loved?

Your reply was expected.

The crime is unknown, if any occurred.

Abduction is one scenario and without one critical factor, EVIDENCE.

You as I predicted are incapable of accepting the mccanns part in what led to their disappearance of their daughter.

Your responses merely reinforce the commonly held perception, that you only care for the mccanns.

As for the real tweedledum and tweedledee in this case, one only has to go back to one night in May.

IMHO naturally.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 09:55:29 PM
Your reply was expected.

The crime is unknown, if any occurred.

Abduction is one scenario and without one critical factor, EVIDENCE.

You as I predicted are incapable of accepting the mccanns part in what led to their disappearance of their daughter.

Your responses merely reinforce the commonly held perception, that you only care for the mccanns.

As for the real tweedledum and tweedledee in this case, one only has to go back to one night in May.

IMHO naturally.

The case isn't about me.  It isn't about Ms Hopkins who has alighted on an easy earner for herself.  It isn't even about you.

It is all about a little girl who was stolen from her family.
I for one see nothing wrong in hoping for the best for her ... if that fails to meet with your approval, I am quite unconcerned.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2016, 10:06:07 PM
The case isn't about me.  It isn't about Ms Hopkins who has alighted on an easy earner for herself.  It isn't even about you.

It is all about a little girl who was stolen from her family.
I for one see nothing wrong in hoping for the best for her ... if that fails to meet with your approval, I am quite unconcerned.

It has not been determined how Madeleine disappeared.

What is disturbing is your refusal to accept the mccanns have some responsibility in what happened.

Your bombastic posting style emphasises that you only feel sympathy for the mccanns themselves.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 22, 2016, 10:13:49 PM
The case isn't about me.  It isn't about Ms Hopkins who has alighted on an easy earner for herself. 

What's she earning then? Does she get commission for every person who reads her article? And why wait nine years to do so if that is her motive?


Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 10:38:21 PM
What's she earning then? Does she get commission for every person who reads her article? And why wait nine years to do so if that is her motive?

She didn't wait for nine years.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 22, 2016, 11:17:06 PM
She didn't wait for nine years.

I know she has made the odd twitter post now and then , I was asking about her "earning"...the impression you gave was that she was making money out of her comments! As far as I can see she has read the papers for years and years, made the odd comment and for SOME reason has been a lot more expressive right now, money doesn't come into it

End of the day she's made her opinion known, she's had massive support on the issue, she could have been anyone, not many people like her and her antics me included, but she's said nothing that will land her in court like some rabids think, yawn
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 22, 2016, 11:29:18 PM
      Very impressive dossier there.

(http://alexsfunplace.com/ADF/coloringbook/images/AliceTweedledumTweedledee.gif)
 

After nine years you have managed to come up with 'tweedledum  and tweedledee' and an expression which in retrospect was not only appropriate when used but proved to be remarkably prescient in the light of subsequent events.

Ms Hopkins was certainly a bit more inventive than that.

Nice pic of Gerry and Clarence


Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 22, 2016, 11:35:20 PM
I know she has made the odd twitter post now and then , I was asking about her "earning"...the impression you gave was that she was making money out of her comments! As far as I can see she has read the papers for years and years, made the odd comment and for SOME reason has been a lot more expressive right now, money doesn't come into it

End of the day she's made her opinion known, she's had massive support on the issue, she could have been anyone, not many people like her and her antics me included, but she's said nothing that will land her in court like some rabids think, yawn

So you seem to think she is writing for the Mail etc pro bono ...  8)--))  how terribly public spirited of her.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 22, 2016, 11:41:34 PM
So you seem to think she is writing for the Mail etc pro bono ...  8)--))  how terribly public spirited of her.

The interesting thing is that she told us that commenting was a no no for ages


now that is an anathema for the journalistic industry therefore an anomaly


Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: faithlilly on February 23, 2016, 12:46:43 AM
So you seem to think she is writing for the Mail etc pro bono ...  8)--))  how terribly public spirited of her.

You may feel as public spirited as CR working pro bono for the McCanns.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 23, 2016, 01:01:16 AM
You may feel as public spirited as CR working pro bono for the McCanns.


 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: carlymichelle on February 23, 2016, 01:12:59 AM

 @)(++(*

it hasent been a  good day for gerry and kate or supporters has it not that they would admit it ?{)(**
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 23, 2016, 01:19:13 AM
it hasent been a  good day for gerry and kate or supporters has it not that they would admit it ?{)(**

All they have to do is an HONEST interview without scripts with a tough journalist .nothing to hide ergo no problem

Yup Katie has annoyed lol
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 23, 2016, 01:22:40 AM
I know she has made the odd twitter post now and then , I was asking about her "earning"...the impression you gave was that she was making money out of her comments! As far as I can see she has read the papers for years and years, made the odd comment and for SOME reason has been a lot more expressive right now, money doesn't come into it

End of the day she's made her opinion known, she's had massive support on the issue, she could have been anyone, not many people like her and her antics me included, but she's said nothing that will land her in court like some rabids think, yawn

You think Katie Hopkins doesn't get paid for her Column and Opinions?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 23, 2016, 01:28:07 AM
You think Katie Hopkins doesn't get paid for her Column and Opinions?

I don't know that's why I  asked, so what? Hardy made a mint lol, sleep well Ellie

Nine years later the sassy wum  sees an oppo lol
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 23, 2016, 08:18:34 AM
How gullible can some people be, really?!  Katie Hopkins writes articles for the Mail for purely altruistic reasons, yeh right and she spends her evenings helping out at a centre for Syrian refugees too I bet... @)(++(*
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 23, 2016, 08:21:50 AM
Ive tweeted katie a picture of leonora cipriano....who answered all the questions from amaral and his team
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 08:44:50 AM
How gullible can some people be, really?!  Katie Hopkins writes articles for the Mail for purely altruistic reasons, yeh right and she spends her evenings helping out at a centre for Syrian refugees too I bet... @)(++(*

Do you think people are gullible about the mccanns ?

After all, these loving parents took care of their children. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 23, 2016, 09:01:17 AM
Katie Hopkins who said she had no feelings for the dead child washed up on a beach,  who said to burn their boats the same time as many lost their lives.

Who told a woman she should have aborted her disabled child, and called another disabled child  a t..t.

Nope sorry really can't listen to a woman like that.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 09:03:07 AM
Katie Hopkins who said she had no feelings for the dead child washed up on a beach,  who said to burn their boats the same time as many lost their lives.

Who told a woman she should have aborted her disabled child, and called another disabled child  a t..t.

Nope sorry really can't listen to a woman like that.

So it's a bit like certain mccann supporters who  only have time for the mccanns,
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 23, 2016, 09:11:38 AM
Katie Hopkins who said she had no feelings for the dead child washed up on a beach,  who said to burn their boats the same time as many lost their lives.

Who told a woman she should have aborted her disabled child, and called another disabled child  a t..t.

Nope sorry really can't listen to a woman like that.

She has made some dreadful comments which now seem to be excused because of her "guts" in speaking out against the parents of a missing little girl.

I hope she recovers well from her operation and perhaps learns to be a little less outspoken and cruel.

She has labelled Junior Doctors as "greedy"................perhaps after being in hospital she may change her mind.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 23, 2016, 09:18:43 AM
She has made some dreadful comments which now seem to be excused because of her "guts" in speaking out against the parents of a missing little girl.

I hope she recovers well from her operation and perhaps learns to be a little less outspoken and cruel.

She has labelled Junior Doctors as "greedy"................perhaps after being in hospital she may change her mind.

Now there's a thought.  And hopefully she may change her attitude as well.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Benice on February 23, 2016, 09:38:40 AM
She has made some dreadful comments which now seem to be excused because of her "guts" in speaking out against the parents of a missing little girl.

I hope she recovers well from her operation and perhaps learns to be a little less outspoken and cruel.

She has labelled Junior Doctors as "greedy"................perhaps after being in hospital she may change her mind.

IMO she's just a media wannabee who has realised that 'being cruel' puts her in the spotlight.

Nothing to be proud of in that IMO - as being verbally cruel to people requires no talent whatsoever.

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on February 23, 2016, 10:57:30 AM
IMO she's just a media wannabee who has realised that 'being cruel' puts her in the spotlight.

Nothing to be proud of in that IMO - as being verbally cruel to people requires no talent whatsoever.

Well spotted. You could do worse than spread that idea on here.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 23, 2016, 11:00:48 AM
IMO she's just a media wannabee who has realised that 'being cruel' puts her in the spotlight.

Nothing to be proud of in that IMO - as being verbally cruel to people requires no talent whatsoever.

she realises that this will raise her proflile...get people talking about her and increase her earning potential....that's it
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 23, 2016, 11:16:55 AM
Can a Mod kindly explain to me why I am not allowed to say that KAtie Hopkins clearly enjoys being cruel to innocent people?  It is utterly absurd that I am being censored in this way especially with no explanation. 
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 23, 2016, 11:21:51 AM
Can a Mod kindly explain to me why I am not allowed to say that KAtie Hopkins clearly enjoys being cruel to innocent people?  It is utterly absurd that I am being censored in this way especially with no explanation.

so Katie Price can say what she likes but you cannot...censorship....It is absolutely true rhat she picks on people and group to be cruel to to further her career...an odious person
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 23, 2016, 11:26:59 AM
so Katie Price can say what she likes but you cannot...censorship....It is absolutely true rhat she picks on people and group to be cruel to to further her career...an odious person

Thoroughly unpleasant, I would agree.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 23, 2016, 11:40:25 AM
She has made some dreadful comments which now seem to be excused because of her "guts" in speaking out against the parents of a missing little girl.

I hope she recovers well from her operation and perhaps learns to be a little less outspoken and cruel.

She has labelled Junior Doctors as "greedy"................perhaps after being in hospital she may change her mind.

I too hope she makes a full and speedy recovery, Erngath, and has as good a time of it in hospital as she can under the circumstances.

I don't think however it will make her change her mind about anything; as I really cannot believe that she truly subscribes to the nastiness she puts into print. 
It is a means to an end.
Being obnoxious seems to sell newspapers and pay the mortgage without much effort having to be expended in the process.

Such notoriety is possibly a reflection of the times and the lack of moral fibre in today's British society; the blame lies as much with that audience than with those who have seen a lucrative market and taken advantage of it.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 23, 2016, 11:41:22 AM
so Katie Price can say what she likes but you cannot...censorship....It is absolutely true rhat she picks on people and group to be cruel to to further her career...an odious person
and Katie Hopkins too... 8(0(*
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 23, 2016, 12:15:41 PM
I too hope she makes a full and speedy recovery, Erngath, and has as good a time of it in hospital as she can under the circumstances.

I don't think however it will make her change her mind about anything; as I really cannot believe that she truly subscribes to the nastiness she puts into print. 
It is a means to an end.
Being obnoxious seems to sell newspapers and pay the mortgage without much effort having to be expended in the process.

Such notoriety is possibly a reflection of the times and the lack of moral fibre in today's British society; the blame lies as much with that audience than with those who have seen a lucrative market and taken advantage of it.

Lack of moral fibre? As compared to what? Previous generations who were too scared by the churches and those who had control to express their real thoughts and feelings? What was moral about beating children in schools? What was moral about putting people in prison because their sexual drives were different? What was moral about forcing young women who made mistakes to forfeit the resulting babies? What was moral about wife-beating husbands who were seen as having the right to commit violence on their families? What was moral about sexism, racism and homophobia? Really!!  At least modern society recognises freedom of choice, lifestyle and expression and tries to ensure equal opportunities and equal treatment for all.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 23, 2016, 12:45:52 PM
and Katie Hopkins too... 8(0(*

aren't they the same person
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 12:53:12 PM
I too hope she makes a full and speedy recovery, Erngath, and has as good a time of it in hospital as she can under the circumstances.

I don't think however it will make her change her mind about anything; as I really cannot believe that she truly subscribes to the nastiness she puts into print. 
It is a means to an end.
Being obnoxious seems to sell newspapers and pay the mortgage without much effort having to be expended in the process.

Such notoriety is possibly a reflection of the times and the lack of moral fibre in today's British society; the blame lies as much with that audience than with those who have seen a lucrative market and taken advantage of it.


I don't know whether you are thick skinned as regarding people who don't believe the mccanns, or whether you are just in denial.

As for nastiness, here's some from last year...


http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sl7pm3
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 23, 2016, 01:18:50 PM

I don't know whether you are thick skinned as regarding people who don't believe the mccanns, or whether you are just in denial.

As for nastiness, here's some from last year...


http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sl7pm3


Kindly take a look at my post regarding Ms Hopkins and her media career.  If you happen to come across the word McCann or any reference to Madeleine or her family there, please feel free to point it out.

Ms Hopkins writes nasty pieces on a variety of subjects for a nasty target audience which seems to be appreciative of her ramblings.  If she had no audience and stirred no controversy ... she would be out of a job.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Carana on February 23, 2016, 01:26:10 PM
Lack of moral fibre? As compared to what? Previous generations who were too scared by the churches and those who had control to express their real thoughts and feelings? What was moral about beating children in schools? What was moral about putting people in prison because their sexual drives were different? What was moral about forcing young women who made mistakes to forfeit the resulting babies? What was moral about wife-beating husbands who were seen as having the right to commit violence on their families? What was moral about sexism, racism and homophobia? Really!!  At least modern society recognises freedom of choice, lifestyle and expression and tries to ensure equal opportunities and equal treatment for all.

What is moral about accusing people of crimes without proof under the guise of "freedom of expression"?

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 01:27:15 PM

Kindly take a look at my post regarding Ms Hopkins and her media career.  If you happen to come across the word McCann or any reference to Madeleine or her family there, please feel free to point it out.

Ms Hopkins writes nasty pieces on a variety of subjects for a nasty target audience which seems to be appreciative of her ramblings.  If she had no audience and stirred no controversy ... she would be out of a job.

I am well aware of Ms. Hopkins career.

However, your continued refusal to answer certain questions or accept there are systematic abusers from among the mccann supporters remains your Achilles Heel.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 23, 2016, 01:37:55 PM
What is moral about accusing people of crimes without proof under the guise of "freedom of expression"?

I was always taught that with freedom comes responsibility.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 23, 2016, 01:39:54 PM
I am well aware of Ms. Hopkins career.

However, your continued refusal to answer certain questions or accept there are systematic abusers from among the mccann supporters remains your Achilles Heel.



I think I'm going to add you to my list of 'not worth bothering about' for a time ... you no longer amuse me.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 23, 2016, 01:44:41 PM
aren't they the same person

One is a trifle more articulate, and the other one is a trifle better looking.  But in the dark and the absence of speech, one might have a problem.  Their views are pretty similar.  It's all about Me.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 23, 2016, 01:50:15 PM
One is a trifle more articulate, and the other one is a trifle better looking.  But in the dark and the absence of speech, one might have a problem.  Their views are pretty similar.  It's all about Me.
Am I allowed to say that one has a pair of big tits, the other IS a big tit, or is that a bit norty of me?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 23, 2016, 01:53:03 PM

I don't know whether you are thick skinned as regarding people who don't believe the mccanns, or whether you are just in denial.

As for nastiness, here's some from last year...


http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sl7pm3

What is staggering to me is the arrogance of those who were so dedicated to supporting and defending the McCanns. Nothing was off limits in their pursuit of those who disagreed with them, it seems. What kind of person dedicates hours of their time to ferreting out the personal details of others on the internet? Self appointed guardians of what can and cannot be said. Smug mutual congratulations when they are successful. Did they see themselves as guardians of morality on Twitter? Disgraceful behaviour.

Katie Hopkins said what she had to say under her own name and is no doubt prepared to take any consequences arising. The nastier supporters don't need to ferret around, she's right there in their faces. Fair play to her.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 01:56:43 PM
I think I'm going to add you to my list of 'not worth bothering about' for a time ... you no longer amuse me.

So as I said, you cannot and won't answer the questions that don't fit into your agenda.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Carana on February 23, 2016, 01:57:10 PM
I was always taught that with freedom comes responsibility.

So was I.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 23, 2016, 02:00:14 PM
I was always taught that with freedom comes responsibility.

Ms Hopkins has taken responsibility for her article; her name is there for all to see.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 23, 2016, 02:03:39 PM
What is staggering to me is the arrogance of those who were so dedicated to supporting and defending the McCanns. Nothing was off limits in their pursuit of those who disagreed with them, it seems. What kind of person dedicates hours of their time to ferreting out the personal details of others on the internet? Self appointed guardians of what can and cannot be said. Smug mutual congratulations when they are successful. Did they see themselves as guardians of morality on Twitter? Disgraceful behaviour.

Katie Hopkins said what she had to say under her own name and is no doubt prepared to take any consequences arising. The nastier supporters don't need to ferret around, she's right there in their faces. Fair play to her.
I hope you're not going to pretend that this sort of behaviour is limited to McCann supporters!
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 02:04:28 PM
Ms Hopkins has taken responsibility for her article; her name is there for all to see.

However, that doesn't include the compilers of the dossier.

Anonymous cowards, IMO of course.

and let's remember certain posters on here were mercilessly attacking Brenda Leyland, who then committed suicide after the hounding she received.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 23, 2016, 02:22:26 PM
Am I allowed to say that one has a pair of big tits, the other IS a big tit, or is that a bit norty of me?

Quite clever, I thought.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 23, 2016, 02:27:03 PM
One is a trifle more articulate, and the other one is a trifle better looking.  But in the dark and the absence of speech, one might have a problem.  Their views are pretty similar.  It's all about Me.


what's all about you ...Eleanor
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 23, 2016, 03:42:41 PM
I see 87% blame the mccanns in the avenging Standard poll now for the disappearance of Madeleine.

no they dont...read it again more carefully
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 23, 2016, 03:57:25 PM
I gather Katie Hopkins has serious personal health issues around epilepsy.

Whatever our thoughts about her thoughts (on the McCanns or any other issue) I'm sure we would all join in wishing her full and complete recovery from these health concerns.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 04:17:40 PM
I gather Katie Hopkins has serious personal health issues around epilepsy.

Whatever our thoughts about her thoughts (on the McCanns or any other issue) I'm sure we would all join in wishing her full and complete recovery from these health concerns.

We can agree on that.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 23, 2016, 04:27:19 PM
However, that doesn't include the compilers of the dossier.

Anonymous cowards, IMO of course.
anonymous cowards.....those who accuse and abuse the mccanns anonymously online...including you
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 05:07:30 PM
Quite clever, I thought.

I didn't think Alfred was into tits.

P.S. Alfred was the one who mentioned tits in the first place.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Jean-Pierre on February 23, 2016, 05:15:44 PM
We can agree on that.

I wonder if any will have read her comments?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/katie-hopkins-brands-junior-doctors-7343345

Ice cold enema, perhaps?

 8)--))

 
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 05:17:49 PM
I wonder if any will have read her comments?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/katie-hopkins-brands-junior-doctors-7343345

Ice cold enema, perhaps?

 8)--))

Are you speaking from personal experience jp ? 
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 23, 2016, 05:20:36 PM
I didn't think Alfred was into tits.

P.S. Alfred was the one who mentioned tits in the first place.

It was only a play on words, Stephen.  Just a brief bit of fun.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 05:22:11 PM
It was only a play on words, Stephen.  Just a brief bit of fun.

So was mine. 8(0(*
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Jean-Pierre on February 23, 2016, 05:22:55 PM
Are you speaking from personal experience jp ?

Happily not.  But then I don't take to twitter making controversial comments about junior doctors 12 days before having a major operation......

I really cannot think of anything more stupid. 
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 23, 2016, 05:25:30 PM
So was mine. 8(0(*

I know.  Amusing sometimes, isn't it.

However, Back On Topic or I will be in trouble.  And you wouldn't want that, would you.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 05:33:47 PM
I know.  Amusing sometimes, isn't it.

However, Back On Topic or I will be in trouble.  And you wouldn't want that, would you.

As if. 8)--))
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 23, 2016, 05:37:08 PM
Happily not.  But then I don't take to twitter making controversial comments about junior doctors 12 days before having a major operation......

I really cannot think of anything more stupid.

It's ok, it won't be done by a junior doctor, they hardly do any operations these days. (Straight from a FRCS)
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 05:38:15 PM
Happily not.  But then I don't take to twitter making controversial comments about junior doctors 12 days before having a major operation......

I really cannot think of anything more stupid.

Perhaps the dossier compilers, Brunt and Sky should have considered the consequences of their actions.

As to Ms. Hopkins she has a bit of a gob on her, but that is what gets her noticed, which is what she wants.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Jean-Pierre on February 23, 2016, 06:03:48 PM
It's ok, it won't be done by a junior doctor, they hardly do any operations these days. (Straight from a FRCS)

That is true.  A consultant will doubtless wield the knife ( or more accurately the sharpend spoon for scooping the bits of brain out).

But chances are the aneasthetics will be given by a registrar.  And the aftercare by registrar or senior houseman.  Not wise to p*ss of the people providing you with 24 hour care. 
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 23, 2016, 06:52:20 PM
Imagine the harm Katie Hopkins has done to her own kids by her insistence on being Britain's Queen of the Trolls.  How they must suffer in the playground as a result of their own mother's attention-seeking antics. 
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 07:08:09 PM
Imagine the harm Katie Hopkins has done to her own kids by her insistence on being Britain's Queen of the Trolls.  How they must suffer in the playground as a result of their own mother's attention-seeking antics.

How do you explain alfred, that many people clearly agreed with her commentsas regards the mccanns, as we can see in the Mail comments section on the story ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 23, 2016, 07:16:48 PM
How do you explain alfred, that many people clearly agreed with her comments, as we can see in the Mail comments section on the story ?
Of course thousands of people agreed with her, as they do on many of the vile things she writes.  All it means is that there's lots of hateful people in the world, which we already knew.  I pity her poor kids, imagine having a mother like that intent on stirring up hatred at every available opportunity.  They must get ribbed about it mercilessly, unless she has chosen to home school them??
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 07:22:19 PM
Of course thousands of people agreed with her, as they do on many of the vile things she writes.  All it means is that there's lots of hateful people in the world, which we already knew.  I pity her poor kids, imagine having a mother like that intent on stirring up hatred at every available opportunity.  They must get ribbed about it mercilessly, unless she has chosen to home school them??

Oh for goodness sake,  haven't you got it yet , simply a lot of people don't believe the mccanns and whilst they have every sympathy for Madeleine are sicked and tired of those two parents who clearly neglected their children being made icons in the press.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 23, 2016, 07:27:47 PM
Oh for goodness sake,  haven't you got it yet , simply a lot of people don't believe the mccanns and whilst they have every sympathy for Madeleine are sicked and tired of those two parents who clearly neglected their children being made icons in the press.
I get it - no need to lose your rag.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 07:30:13 PM
I get it - no need to lose your rag.

If I lost my rag, you would know, and I didn't there.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 23, 2016, 07:30:24 PM
Oh for goodness sake,  haven't you got it yet , simply a lot of people don't believe the mccanns and whilst they have every sympathy for Madeleine are sicked and tired of those two parents who clearly neglected their children being made icons in the press.

you are talking rubbish again....the comments did not show that people did not believe the McCanns....those who commented were critical of the children being left........they also did not blame the McCanns for Maddie's disappearance....they accepted Maddie was abducted but the McCanns should accept more blame for making it possible...you get such  a lot wrong
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 07:35:19 PM
...and the article has not been removed, and no sign of accusations of libel either from the mccanns.

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 23, 2016, 07:38:01 PM
...and the article has not been removed, and no sign of accusations of libel either from the mccanns.
It can take months to mount a libel action, just sayin' like.  That said, I doubt the McCanns will give Hopkins the satisfaction of being sued, she clearly enjoys the notoriety of it.  The very worst thing you can do to the ASW is ignore her IMO.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 07:40:01 PM
It can take months to mount a libel action, just sayin' like.  That said, I doubt the McCanns will give Hopkins the satisfaction of being sued, she clearly enjoys the notoriety of it.  The very worst thing you can do to the ASW is ignore her IMO.

Also the Mail obviously felt happy running the story.

I wonder why.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 23, 2016, 07:41:01 PM
Of course thousands of people agreed with her, as they do on many of the vile things she writes.  All it means is that there's lots of hateful people in the world, which we already knew.  I pity her poor kids, imagine having a mother like that intent on stirring up hatred at every available opportunity.  They must get ribbed about it mercilessly, unless she has chosen to home school them??

Surely you mean home-indoctrinate, Alfred?

I'm sure she does that, however they are educated.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: misty on February 23, 2016, 07:42:48 PM
Ms Hopkins slammed the Junior Doctors as being greedy for wanting a little more cash & a little less stress for helping to save lives & caring for people. She deplored their unionised labour.
 Meanwhile, she continues to make her contribution to society by verbally abusing those less fortunate than herself whilst raking in the cash by doing so. How low does that make the people who praise her?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 23, 2016, 07:49:25 PM
Ms Hopkins slammed the Junior Doctors as being greedy for wanting a little more cash & a little less stress for helping to save lives & caring for people. She deplored their unionised labour.
 Meanwhile, she continues to make her contribution to society by verbally abusing those less fortunate than herself whilst raking in the cash by doing so. How low does that make the people who praise her?

Ms Hopkins is an obnoxious offensive right wing etc etc etc

You are making two mistakes here

A) assuming her article is x y z and lumping it in with all her "usual antics"
B) assuming people praise her in totality (if at all praising her apart from speaking her mind) past and present and attempting to denigrate people who don't believe or have doubts about the "abduction" which is neither immoral or illegal

The only thing that is interesting is that the Mail have published this article

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 23, 2016, 07:52:31 PM
Also the Mail obviously felt happy running the story.

I wonder why.
Sells papers, attracts website traffic, why do you think?  That is why "journalists" like Katie Hopkins exist. 
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 23, 2016, 07:53:31 PM
Ms Hopkins slammed the Junior Doctors as being greedy for wanting a little more cash & a little less stress for helping to save lives & caring for people. She deplored their unionised labour.
 Meanwhile, she continues to make her contribution to society by verbally abusing those less fortunate than herself whilst raking in the cash by doing so. How low does that make the people who praise her?

How dare she express, for once, an opinion which lots of people agree with? Silence her immediately!
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on February 23, 2016, 07:53:53 PM
Ms Hopkins is an obnoxious offensive right wing etc etc etc

You are making two mistakes here

A) assuming her article is x y z and lumping it in with all her "usual antics"
B) assuming people praise her in totality (if at all praising her apart from speaking her mind) past and present and attempting to denigrate people who don't believe or have doubts about the "abduction" which is neither immoral or illegal

The only thing that is interesting is that the Mail have published this article

And that The Standard repeated it.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 23, 2016, 07:54:42 PM
*Godwins Law Klaxon*

Praising Katie Hopkins for this article and ignoring the rest is a bit like praising Hitler for Germany's economic recovery and ignoring the rest. 

IMO.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 07:55:19 PM
Sells papers, attracts website traffic, why do you think?  That is why "journalists" like Katie Hopkins exist.

Wow, I never realized that.

Truly amazing. 8)--))
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 23, 2016, 08:02:20 PM
And that The Standard repeated it.

And did a poll to boot

I think DM owns part of the Standard....so probably has some clout


DM, the essential WUM newspaper, funny
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on February 23, 2016, 08:04:42 PM
Ms Hopkins slammed the Junior Doctors as being greedy for wanting a little more cash & a little less stress for helping to save lives & caring for people. She deplored their unionised labour.
 Meanwhile, she continues to make her contribution to society by verbally abusing those less fortunate than herself whilst raking in the cash by doing so. How low does that make the people who praise her?

I would see it more as doing what they are paid to do.
"It is wrong we should have to work such long hours and be subjected to so much stress but give us more dosh and it will be perfectly acceptable".
Not that what I have just posted nor what Ms Hopkins thinks on a variety of topics is relevant to this thread.
She made a few valid points in a typical rant in The Mail.
We now have few pages here describing what a baggage she is......yeah real intelligent stuff.
Grab a line.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 08:04:54 PM
And did a poll to boot

I think DM owns part of the Standard....so probably has some clout


DM, the essential WUM newspaper, funny

Indeed, the irony, especially as it has towed the mccann line, but to give it credit, it has also allowed comments sections on the case for some time, something which the other papers dare not do.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 23, 2016, 08:10:32 PM
How dare she express, for once, an opinion which lots of people agree with? Silence her immediately!

Sadly she will have lots of support for her other opinions.
Refugees, disabled babies, Ebola being an effective way to control world population, being obnoxious to over weight people, being obnoxious to "ginger" haired folk and her remarks about suicidal people in prison are sure to have some support.
No sorry , she is as she is described, "gobby" and "rent a mouth".
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 23, 2016, 08:11:22 PM
Indeed, the irony, especially as it has towed the mccann line, but to give it credit, it has also allowed comments sections on the case for some time, something which the other papers dare not do.

Yes, they do say they are moderated though, but seems half the time the mods are "sleeping"

Anyway, KH has written a "piece" Mail has published it, Mail knows the exact line it can't cross and always stays just 2cm from it ergo getting away with murder a lot of the time, no libel committed, probably has got a lot of people thinking, Mccanns would be stupid to sue though
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 23, 2016, 08:14:26 PM
Sadly she will have lots of support for her other opinions.
Refugees, disabled babies, Ebola being an effective way to control world population, being obnoxious to over weight people, being obnoxious to "ginger" haired folk and her remarks about suicidal people in prison are sure to have some support.
No sorry , she is as she is described, "gobby" and "rent a mouth".


Best ignored, then.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: misty on February 23, 2016, 08:15:43 PM
Perhaps the positive we can draw from this is it totally overshadows Poulton's announcement about her failure to release the blockbuster.
What do they say about governments burying bad news............
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 23, 2016, 08:19:10 PM
Yes, they do say they are moderated though, but seems half the time the mods are "sleeping"

Anyway, KH has written a "piece" Mail has published it, Mail knows the exact line it can't cross and always stays just 2cm from it ergo getting away with murder a lot of the time, no libel committed, probably has got a lot of people thinking, Mccanns would be stupid to sue though
There were a couple of inaccuracies, but anyone demanding a correction over when they washed a toy cat would look just slightly silly imo.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 08:19:26 PM
Police watchdog: McCann inquiry ‘ludicrous’


May 15, 2011


Met Police Authority member says inquiry into girl’s disappearance is waste of money

 
Kate and Gerry McCann are facing a backlash over plans for the British police to investigate the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, who was taken from them while she slept in their Praia da Luz holiday apartment four years ago.

After an open letter written by the couple was published in the Sun, prime minister David Cameron asked the Metropolitan Police to get involved in a fresh inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine, who would now be eight years old.

But a senior member of the watchdog that monitors the Met's activities, the Metropolitan Police Authority (MPA) has spoken out against the decision to re-open the investigation. Jenny Jones told the Mail on Sunday: "The police should not take this case up in this way. It is ludicrous.

"This could take years and will cost millions. It is very unusual for police to step in like this and it is not an appropriate use of police resources.

"The Government is closing down the Forensic Science Service because there are not enough funds. This is a crucial part of police work.

"Although it is tragic and I feel for the McCanns, how can the Prime Minister justify spending millions of pounds on one case?"

-----------------------------

She was right on the ball.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/people-news/5525/police-watchdog-mccann-inquiry-%E2%80%98ludicrous%E2%80%99
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 23, 2016, 08:19:37 PM
Yes, they do say they are moderated though, but seems half the time the mods are "sleeping"

Anyway, KH has written a "piece" Mail has published it, Mail knows the exact line it can't cross and always stays just 2cm from it ergo getting away with murder a lot of the time, no libel committed, probably has got a lot of people thinking, Mccanns would be stupid to sue though

Her opinion will not have "thinking" people thinking. Who on God's earth would take any notice of her opinion.
Considering her track record of always making cruel and offensive comments about so many topics, I doubt her ill considered comments will hold much sway with any "thinking" folk.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on February 23, 2016, 08:20:21 PM
I think she is a social commentator rather than a journalist? The important thing here is she broke the taboo about Mr AND Mrs perfect parents fronting a missing children charity, and the IRONY of that.Not once have hey said please do not leave your children alone and go out for a meal or drink i.e don't do what we did. The reason for this is they have forgiven themselves of a littel sin whilst lumping the blame at everyone else. Even to the point of pushing the 'we are the real victims here- feel sorry for us', all the while showing a nasty arrogant side towards those who tried to help them find their daughter.

Not everyone agrees with everything Katie says, but I for one agree she should have a platform to say it. I think the playing field is now being levelled, MSM is now realising  it is in competition with educated researchers and lone independent journalists on the web. Readers are MSN savvy now, some just buy rags for competitions and money off coupons. The fall and fall of MSN is happening here and now.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 23, 2016, 08:22:24 PM

Best ignored, then.

Yes, possibly the best thing to do.
Wise words. I will follow your advice.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 08:22:50 PM
Her opinion will not have "thinking" people thinking. Who on God's earth would take any notice of her opinion.
Considering her track record of always making cruel and offensive comments about so many topics, I doubt her ill considered comments will hold much sway with any "thinking" folk.

A great many ''thinking'' people did not need her to tell them, what they knew from very early on in the case.

Don't delude your self otherwise.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 08:23:53 PM
I think she is a social commentator rather than a journalist? The important thing here is she broke the taboo about Mr AND Mrs perfect parents fronting a missing children charity, and the IRONY of that.Not once have hey said please do not leave your children alone and go out for a meal or drink i.e don't do what we did. The reason for this is they have forgiven themselves of a littel sin whilst lumping the blame at everyone else. Even to the point of pushing the 'we are the real victims here- feel sorry for us', all the while showing a nasty arrogant side towards those who tried to help them find their daughter.

Not everyone agrees with everything Katie says, but I for one agree she should have a platform to say it. I think the playing field is now being levelled, MSM is now realising  it is in competition with educated researchers and lone independent journalists on the web. Readers are MSN savvy now, some just buy rags for competitions and money off coupons. The fall and fall of MSN is happening here and now.

Yes I totally agree.

 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Jean-Pierre on February 23, 2016, 08:24:00 PM
I would see it more as doing what they are paid to do.
"It is wrong we should have to work such long hours and be subjected to so much stress but give us more dosh and it will be perfectly acceptable".
Not that what I have just posted nor what Ms Hopkins thinks on a variety of topics is relevant to this thread.
She made a few valid points in a typical rant in The Mail.
We now have few pages here describing what a baggage she is......yeah real intelligent stuff.
Grab a line.

I fear you have been misinformed Alice.  The dispute is that the new contract will result in the junior doctors working more unsocial hours for 20% less pay.  But please don't let the facts stand in the way of a good prejudice.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 23, 2016, 08:28:00 PM
There were a couple of inaccuracies, but anyone demanding a correction over when they washed a toy cat would look just slightly silly imo.

Exactly, it was in the main an "opinion piece" not actionable.....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 23, 2016, 08:29:06 PM
I fear you have been misinformed Alice.  The dispute is that the new contract will result in the junior doctors working more unsocial hours for 20% less pay.  But please don't let the facts stand in the way of a good prejudice.

Perhaps we need to refer to James Naughtie's favourite politician as regards that. 8)--))
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 23, 2016, 08:32:15 PM
Her opinion will not have "thinking" people thinking. Who on God's earth would take any notice of her opinion.
Considering her track record of always making cruel and offensive comments about so many topics, I doubt her ill considered comments will hold much sway with any "thinking" folk.

Interesting....many people do ignore her as they should...but she's stuck her oar into "this" case and sanctioned by one of the best selling papers, and it's bound to draw extra attention and thought by  ALL types

The world is not black and white ernie
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on February 23, 2016, 08:39:58 PM
I fear you have been misinformed Alice.  The dispute is that the new contract will result in the junior doctors working more unsocial hours for 20% less pay.  But please don't let the facts stand in the way of a good prejudice.

OFF TOPIC
Is that right? Point me in the right direction because I have never been able to get to the root.
Do you have a copy of the new contract they would have, the associated pay rates and when premium rates kick in ?
Why should they be exempt from the sort of things that have been happening in the private sector for 20 years or so?
I am prejudiced against anything that smacks of a Spanish Practice.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Carana on February 23, 2016, 08:41:15 PM
And did a poll to boot

I think DM owns part of the Standard....so probably has some clout


DM, the essential WUM newspaper, funny

Does it?

The Indie has just gone under in paper format (with presumably lay-offs). AFAIK, Lebedev is the owner of both the Indie and the ES. No idea about partial ownership.


PS: Whatever happened to the last female loud mouth, Samantha Brick, I wonder?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 23, 2016, 08:50:10 PM
OFF TOPIC
Is that right? Point me in the right direction because I have never been able to get to the root.
Do you have a copy of the new contract they would have, the associated pay rates and when premium rates kick in ?
Why should they be exempt from the sort of things that have been happening in the private sector for 20 years or so?
I am prejudiced against anything that smacks of a Spanish Practice.


By premium rates I suppose you mean overtime... I believe it is 10 pm...up until 10 normal rates apply....i remember my son working a 12 hour hospital shift and then being asked...and having to agree ...to work the next 12 hours because the next doctor had phoned in sick
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on February 23, 2016, 08:55:11 PM
I fear you have been misinformed Alice.  The dispute is that the new contract will result in the junior doctors working more unsocial hours for 20% less pay.  But please don't let the facts stand in the way of a good prejudice.

NHS is a 24/7 service. wow who'd a thunk it- doctors wanting 9-5.  The high quality EXPENSIVE training they receive 'in house' requires they work unsociable hours.( this is due to the fact that people take ill any time of the day-inconsiderate bast...ds). 8)><(
 As trainees, they sacrifice like other trainees in industry, to gain the experience to move up the ladder and the pickings are rich! Some consultants get well in excess of 100k with private work and NHS. Crying in the money pond... make it over flow.

back on topic..
"Her opinion will not have "thinking" people thinking. Who on God's earth would take any notice of her opinion."
Well stating the obvious- everyone here discussing it has an opinion of her opinion- including you!
 ...by stating you know who the 'thinking' people are and what they are thinking is funny. 8**8:/:
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 23, 2016, 09:30:42 PM
Does it?

The Indie has just gone under in paper format (with presumably lay-offs). AFAIK, Lebedev is the owner of both the Indie and the ES. No idea about partial ownership.


PS: Whatever happened to the last female loud mouth, Samantha Brick, I wonder?

I don't know, that's why I said I guess....ES is an institution, doubt it will ever go down...what's Brick to do with anything? Rhetorical
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 23, 2016, 09:33:55 PM
NHS is a 24/7 service. wow who'd a thunk it- doctors wanting 9-5.  The high quality EXPENSIVE training they receive 'in house' requires they work unsociable hours.( this is due to the fact that people take ill any time of the day-inconsiderate bast...ds). 8)><(
 As trainees, they sacrifice like other trainees in industry, to gain the experience to move up the ladder and the pickings are rich! Some consultants get well in excess of 100k with private work and NHS. Crying in the money pond... make it over flow.

back on topic..
"Her opinion will not have "thinking" people thinking. Who on God's earth would take any notice of her opinion."
Well stating the obvious- everyone here discussing it has an opinion of her opinion- including you!
 ...by stating you know who the 'thinking' people are and what they are thinking is funny. 8**8:/:

Yes, everyone thinks, but some think that others don't think right..or think about the "right" things....some of the time they are right some of the time they're wrong....it's those who profess and declare and dictate what is so that hacks some off, and rightly so.....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on February 23, 2016, 09:36:23 PM

By premium rates I suppose you mean overtime... I believe it is 10 pm...up until 10 normal rates apply....i remember my son working a 12 hour hospital shift and then being asked...and having to agree ...to work the next 12 hours because the next doctor had phoned in sick

at work and on call is not the same as working constant 12 hours without a break as is the impression given. I was on call a lot of hours but actual input during the night was not frantic.  I got to nap.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 23, 2016, 09:46:41 PM
at work and on call is not the same as working constant 12 hours without a break as is the impression given. I was on call a lot of hours but actual input during the night was not frantic.  I got to nap.

this is not on call it was working...when he arrives at hospital there are 8 to 10 patients from casualty waiting to be admitted to a ward..it takes the whole 12 hour shift to assess and admit these patients...at the end of the 12 hour shift there are another 10 waiting to be admitted...that's the reality...no sleeping...
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 23, 2016, 10:04:38 PM
at work and on call is not the same as working constant 12 hours without a break as is the impression given. I was on call a lot of hours but actual input during the night was not frantic.  I got to nap.

have you suddenly remembered you were a doctor on call...strange how these things slip our minds
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alice Purjorick on February 23, 2016, 10:25:02 PM

By premium rates I suppose you mean overtime... I believe it is 10 pm...up until 10 normal rates apply....i remember my son working a 12 hour hospital shift and then being asked...and having to agree ...to work the next 12 hours because the next doctor had phoned in sick
Sort of but lets not get hung up on whether there is a premium rate for working extended hours.
If your son had to work 24 hrs in one hit with minimal to no rests that shows an element of irresponsibility on the part of his employer.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 23, 2016, 10:31:16 PM
Sort of but lets not get hung up on whether there is a premium rate for working extended hours.
If your son had to work 24 hrs in one hit with minimal to no rests that shows an element of irresponsibility on the part of his employer.
we agree on something...but it it his registration that is on the line if he makes a mistake..he has had an offer on his house and will soon be relocating to australia..if I was younger I would join him
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 23, 2016, 10:35:16 PM
we agree on something...but it it his registration that is on the line if he makes a mistake..he has had an offer on his house and will soon be relocating to australia..if I was younger I would join him

That's a lovely idea....you can catch up for coffee with  Carly then whilst looking at killer snakes and wishing you weren't so horrible lol

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 23, 2016, 10:40:35 PM
That's a lovely idea....you can catch up for coffee with  Carly then whilst looking at killer snakes and wishing you weren't so horrible lol

Kylies in tasmania....my daughter lived in Australia ...now shes in Bournemouth uk ... I did visit her and got to see The Magic flute at Sydney opera house...that was special...google the queen of the night
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 23, 2016, 10:42:17 PM
Kylies in tasmania....my daughter lived in Australia ...now shes in Bournemouth uk ... I did visit her and got to see The Magic flute at Sydney opera house...that was special

how lovely for you...does anyone care?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 23, 2016, 10:46:15 PM
how lovely for you...does anyone care?

I care...and that's all that matters
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 23, 2016, 10:58:21 PM
I care...and that's all that matters

One of my bucket list of things to do was to see an opera at the Verona Coliseum.
It was magical but sore on the backside as we were in the cheaper seats.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 23, 2016, 11:01:21 PM
I care...and that's all that matters

Quite but this is not "davels forum"  or one where Nyone cares about your personal life, in fact it's quite mind numbing to keep reading you crowing about it


stick to what you are good at ie putting other people down in order to attempt to bolster yourself and your so called arguments
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 23, 2016, 11:04:37 PM
One of my bucket list of things to do was to see an opera at the Verona Coliseum.
It was magical but sore on the backside as we were in the cheaper seats.

it doesn't matter...you did it... I stayed in Darling Harbour......What a wonderful city... If I was a junior doctor I would go...and many are
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 23, 2016, 11:06:10 PM
Quite but this is not "davels forum"  or one where Nyone cares about your personal life, in fact it's quite mind numbing to keep reading you crowing about it


stick to what you are good at ie putting other people down in order to attempt to bolster yourself and your so called arguments

Don't you think it improves the harmony of the forum if there is a little personal exchange of experiences ?
You called me Ernie earlier??  That was a name used by some to address me on the old sky forum.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 23, 2016, 11:08:26 PM
Quite but this is not "davels forum"  or one where Nyone cares about your personal life, in fact it's quite mind numbing to keep reading you crowing about it


stick to what you are good at ie putting other people down in order to attempt to bolster yourself and your so called arguments
You have spent all evening putting Davel down and he has not respnded to your bait, you must be disappointed.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 23, 2016, 11:09:45 PM
it doesn't matter...you did it... I stayed in Darling Harbour......What a wonderful city... If I was a junior doctor I would go...and many are

It's a sad time for the NHS. Off now.Goodnight.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 23, 2016, 11:14:19 PM
Don't you think it improves the harmony of the forum if there is a little personal exchange of experiences ?
You called me Ernie earlier??  That was a name used by some to address me on the old sky forum.
it does but davel is the antipathy of creating harmony, obviously you are new on here, night night, and Ernie just came off top of my head, don't know you from sky,sleep well
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 23, 2016, 11:23:56 PM
It's a sad time for the NHS. Off now.Goodnight.

it is a very sad time for the NHS...a ll the best doctors are leaving
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 24, 2016, 08:13:03 AM
good to see the Mail premoting the abduction again
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 24, 2016, 08:21:24 AM
good to see the Mail premoting the abduction again

Every cloud.  And this is a good one.  Katie Hopkins believes that Madeleine was Abducted.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 24, 2016, 08:24:45 AM
Every cloud.  And this is a good one.  Katie Hopkins believes that Madeleine was Abducted.

and all those comments agreeing with her
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 08:25:06 AM
Every cloud.  And this is a good one.  Katie Hopkins believes that Madeleine was Abducted.

Promoting an abduction ?

Yet only more hot air to support it. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 24, 2016, 08:33:59 AM
For someone who plies her trade as a wordsmith, she isn't even a very good journalist ...

That first morning in hospital you understand the enormity of your new responsibility to keep another little part of you alive. You have accepted The Fear. (birth of a child)

Enormity?

Something unspeakably evil?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 08:36:26 AM
For someone who plies her trade as a wordsmith, she isn't even a very good journalist ...

That first morning in hospital you understand the enormity of your new responsibility to keep another little part of you alive. You have accepted The Fear. (birth of a child)

Enormity?

Something unspeakably evil?

What are you on about ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 24, 2016, 08:36:41 AM
and all those comments agreeing with her

I know.  So pleased to see this.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Benice on February 24, 2016, 08:37:50 AM
There were a couple of inaccuracies, but anyone demanding a correction over when they washed a toy cat would look just slightly silly imo.

 Why? KH has plenty to say about Kate re CC being washed - but it's all based on a total lie.

Quote
 Taking her little bed-time toy, Cuddle Cat, with the last smell of their daughter, and putting it in the wash just five days after she vanished into the night.

I speak to people who have lost parents and cannot bear to wipe messages from their answer machine because it’s something to hold on to. They keep them just to feel close.
Some even call their mothers’ phone, just to hear it ring and imagine she might there to say ‘sleep tight’ one last time.

I would put Cuddle Cat under my pillow every night to be close to the baby I lost. Not wash its memories away.
unquote

The reason why she is so scathing is because she thinks CC was washed after only 5 days.  That allegation is completely untrue.

By the time CC was washed weeks later - it no longer resembled the cuddly toy Kate was used to seeing her daughter with.  It was really grubby and smelled of suntan lotion.   Washing it restored it to how it looked when Madeleine played with it.

KH's comments re CC were because she'd got her facts wrong - and her cruel condemnation of Kate emanated from that IMO.    To publically slur someone's character  based on a lie is libellous IMO.   And if it isn't it should be. 


Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 24, 2016, 08:38:12 AM
What are you on about ?

Read the article.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 08:40:31 AM
I know.  So pleased to see this.

Perhaps you should read the comments again.

How many believe in abduction.

Have alterations been made to the article ? &%+((£
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 24, 2016, 08:42:45 AM
Perhaps you should read the comments again.

How many believe in abduction.

Have alterations been made to the article ? &%+((£

Why would I want to do that.  They agree with her.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 08:43:40 AM
Why would I want to do that.  They agree with her.

If you really think all the comments on the article support abduction, you should read again.

Oh by the way Eleanor, how many of the comments say it is a jolly good idea to leave your children unattended, whilst you go out to drink and eat with your friends, which is how this case started ?? 8)-)))
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 24, 2016, 08:46:31 AM
Read the article.

Enormity = vastness of size or extent

Surely you are not cherry picking definitions.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 24, 2016, 08:51:37 AM
Enormity = vastness of size or extent

Surely you are not cherry picking definitions.

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=enormity%20definition
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 24, 2016, 09:25:12 AM
@ benice


By the time CC was washed weeks later - it no longer resembled the cuddly toy Kate was used to seeing her daughter with.  It was really grubby and smelled of suntan lotion.   Washing it restored it to how it looked when Madeleine played with it.

KH's comments re CC were because she'd got her facts wrong - and her cruel condemnation of Kate emanated from that IMO.    To publically slur someone's character  based on a lie is libellous IMO.   And if it isn't it should be. 




are you for real...........got really grubby ...smelled ...how the hell did it get in that state then

i think you have missed the point ....the whole idea of having something that belonged to your child ...is they touched it....you don't wash that away
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Benice on February 24, 2016, 09:43:21 AM
@ benice


By the time CC was washed weeks later - it no longer resembled the cuddly toy Kate was used to seeing her daughter with.  It was really grubby and smelled of suntan lotion.   Washing it restored it to how it looked when Madeleine played with it.

KH's comments re CC were because she'd got her facts wrong - and her cruel condemnation of Kate emanated from that IMO.    To publically slur someone's character  based on a lie is libellous IMO.   And if it isn't it should be. 




are you for real...........got really grubby ...smelled ...how the hell did it get in that state then

i think you have missed the point ....the whole idea of having something that belonged to your child ...is they touched it....you don't wash that away

On the contrary IMO you clearly have missed the point which is that KH made a false allegation against Kate when she claimed she washed CC after only 5 days.

If you actually believe that in carrying CC around as a form of comfort for weeks on end  -  it would have remained in a pristine condition and not become grubby and smell of suntan lotion - then that's not my problem.







Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 24, 2016, 10:06:21 AM
I've re-read the article.

I can't find the reference to cuddle cat.

Did I miss it?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 24, 2016, 10:07:02 AM
On the contrary IMO you clearly have missed the point which is that KH made a false allegation against Kate when she claimed she washed CC after only 5 days.

If you actually believe that in carrying CC around as a form of comfort for weeks on end  -  it would have remained in a pristine condition and not become grubby and smell of suntan lotion - then that's not my problem.


i think what your problem is ....you do not understand ..sentimentality....after CC was washed it became just another toy
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 24, 2016, 10:12:03 AM
Katie Hopkins was intent on displaying Kate's seeming coldness, washing Cuddlecat five days after Madeleine's disappearance is the proof she offers up for this.  The fact that the toy was eventually washed around 60 days after Madeleine's disappearance, and after having been kept in close proximity to Kate for all that time, is relevant to the argument as it shows that Kate was NOT cold and indifferent but quite the opposite.  The toy was her closest link to Madeleine but there had to come a time when she would need to relinquish it, albeit for a quick clean and brush up, unless people here think she should still be clutching it, unwashed and stinking, to her bosom even now? 
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 24, 2016, 10:12:14 AM
On the contrary IMO you clearly have missed the point which is that KH made a false allegation against Kate when she claimed she washed CC after only 5 days.

If you actually believe that in carrying CC around as a form of comfort for weeks on end  -  it would have remained in a pristine condition and not become grubby and smell of suntan lotion - then that's not my problem.


read your post again ...or look it up ...you are wrong ...it was washed before the dogs came  8**8:/:


Kate washed CC 5 days after Madeleines disappearance. Gerrys sister said it was cleaned again two months ago because it was filthy after being carried around.

 

A former Scotland Yard detective said. ‘It’s the last thing I’d expect a mother who is devastated at losing her child to do’.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 24, 2016, 10:14:25 AM

read your post again ...or look it up ...you are wrong ...it was washed before the dogs came  8**8:/:


Kate washed CC 5 days after Madeleines disappearance. Gerrys sister said it was cleaned again two months ago because it was filthy after being carried around.

 

A former Scotland Yard detective said. ‘It’s the last thing I’d expect a mother who is devastated at losing her child to do’.

We know the toy was never sent to the FSS.

Perhaps, if it had been, John Lowe would have detected the presence of dog's saliva, as well as suntan lotion?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 24, 2016, 10:17:54 AM
Katie Hopkins was intent on displaying Kate's seeming coldness, washing Cuddlecat five days after Madeleine's disappearance is the proof she offers up for this.  The fact that the toy was eventually washed around 60 days after Madeleine's disappearance, and after having been kept in close proximity to Kate for all that time, is relevant to the argument as it shows that Kate was NOT cold and indifferent but quite the opposite.  The toy was her closest link to Madeleine but there had to come a time when she would need to relinquish it, albeit for a quick clean and brush up, unless people here think she should still be clutching it, unwashed and stinking, to her bosom even now?

 unwashed and stinking


like i said earlier ....how does a precious child's toy ....end up...in that state

 
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 24, 2016, 10:19:36 AM
We know the toy was never sent to the FSS.

Perhaps, if it had been, John Lowe would have detected the presence of dog's saliva, as well as suntan lotion?

Exactly ferryman,   Amelie was carrying CC around and children that age tend to put things in their mouth,  she was cuddling it into her face.    As much as I love dogs,  I would have had to wash it too.   Plus my clothes and anything else Eddie sniffed and picked up.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: faithlilly on February 24, 2016, 10:20:50 AM

i think what your problem is ....you do not understand ..sentimentality....after CC was washed it became just another toy

My favourite 'cuddlecat' moment was its little pink head popping up over Kate's bag as she went to her arguido interview. Now tell me it wasn't placed there for maximum effect.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 24, 2016, 10:26:51 AM
We know the toy was never sent to the FSS.

Perhaps, if it had been, John Lowe would have detected the presence of dog's saliva, as well as suntan lotion?


oh pleeeeeeese....keep up

its disgusting it was washed ...im sure there are many out there who have things ....that mean every thing ...and if washed would mean nothing ..

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 24, 2016, 10:29:06 AM
I still can't find any reference in the article heading up this thread to cuddle-cat.

Are we talking about a different article?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 24, 2016, 10:31:49 AM
All Katie Hopkins did was repeat that the McCann's left their children alone and rubbed in the fact that loving parents wouldn't have done that,  which is rubbish,   the McCann's did leave the children and so did their friends,  where as I wouldn't leave my children I wouldn't say that the McCann's are not loving caring parents,  because it is obvious that they are,  they made a very bad decision and it back fired on them.   Kate screaming 'we've let her down Gerry'   more than shows that Kate was distraught and regretted leaving them.   The fact that Gerry said 'people will not be leaving their children alone because of us'   says that they knew it was wrong and that others hopefully wouldn't do the same.   He also said they would never leave their children alone again.  How much more do people expect them to say?

Kate Hopkins brought the washing of Cuddle Cat that she says happened after only five days,  which we know is a lie,  only again to make out that these parents are not loving and caring because they washed Cuddle Cat,  this is just to get the public on her side and I find that just quite sickening.

Then she went on to say the McCann's should stop looking for Madeleine that no amount of money will bring her back,   or words similar.  Well how the hell does she know that?   and who gives up on their missing child?   The McCann's were grateful that SY were opening up the investigation as there were certain leads that hadn't been investigated.   SY is in the process of looking into these leads and so are the Portuguese police,  so I think Katie Hopkins doesn't know whether they know where Madeleine is or if she is dead or alive and so her opinions mean nothing.

People such as Katie Hopkins make their money by being outrageous and out spoken,  it is something she takes pride in,  she doesn't care and she has said this how much she upsets anyone in doing so.   I for one couldn't do what Katie Hopkins does because I have empathy with people and it would play on my conscious if I upset someone,  but none of us are the same and if that is how she wants to make money then that is entirely up to her.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 24, 2016, 10:32:43 AM
My favourite 'cuddlecat' moment was its little pink head popping up over Kate's bag as she went to her arguido interview. Now tell me it wasn't placed there for maximum effect.


it proves it meant nothing to her ....they use everything for there own gain....look at maddie's sticker book ....ripped apart without a second thought
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 24, 2016, 10:34:33 AM
I still can't find any reference in the article heading up this thread to cuddle-cat.

Are we talking about a different article?

ask benice ...its her/him ...who brought it up ....even though it was wrong what was said
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 24, 2016, 10:35:02 AM

oh pleeeeeeese....keep up

its disgusting it was washed ...im sure there are many out there who have things ....that mean every thing ...and if washed would mean nothing ..

Yes but once the scent of that person has gone,  then the article is just what it is an article.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 10:35:08 AM
All Katie Hopkins did was repeat that the McCann's left their children alone and rubbed in the fact that loving parents wouldn't have done that,  which is rubbish,   the McCann's did leave the children and so did their friends,  where as I wouldn't leave my children I wouldn't say that the McCann's are not loving caring parents,  because it is obvious that they are,  they made a very bad decision and it back fired on them.   Kate screaming 'we've let her down Gerry'   more than shows that Kate was distraught and regretted leaving them.   The fact that Gerry said 'people will not be leaving their children alone because of us'   says that they knew it was wrong and that others hopefully wouldn't do the same.   He also said they would never leave their children alone again.  How much more do people expect them to say?

Kate Hopkins brought the washing of Cuddle Cat that she says happened after only five days,  which we know is a lie,  only again to make out that these parents are not loving and caring because they washed Cuddle Cat,  this is just to get the public on her side and I find that just quite sickening.

Then she went on to say the McCann's should stop looking for Madeleine that no amount of money will bring her back,   or words similar.  Well how the hell does she know that?   and who gives up on their missing child?   The McCann's were grateful that SY were opening up the investigation as there were certain leads that hadn't been investigated.   SY is in the process of looking into these leads and so are the Portuguese police,  so I think Katie Hopkins doesn't know whether they know where Madeleine is or if she is dead or alive and so her opinions mean nothing.

People such as Katie Hopkins make their money by being outrageous and out spoken,  it is something she takes pride in,  she doesn't care and she has said this how much she upsets anyone in doing so.   I for one couldn't do what Katie Hopkins does because I have empathy with people and it would play on my conscious if I upset someone,  but none of us are the same and if that is how she wants to make money then that is entirely up to her.

Try reading your first paragraph again.

It is not logical.

As to the rest, predictable.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 24, 2016, 10:35:28 AM
All Katie Hopkins did was repeat that the McCann's left their children alone and rubbed in the fact that loving parents wouldn't have done that,  which is rubbish,   the McCann's did leave the children and so did their friends,  where as I wouldn't leave my children I wouldn't say that the McCann's are not loving caring parents,  because it is obvious that they are,  they made a very bad decision and it back fired on them.   Kate screaming 'we've let her down Gerry'   more than shows that Kate was distraught and regretted leaving them.   The fact that Gerry said 'people will not be leaving their children alone because of us'   says that they knew it was wrong and that others hopefully wouldn't do the same.   He also said they would never leave their children alone again.  How much more do people expect them to say?

Kate Hopkins brought the washing of Cuddle Cat that she says happened after only five days,  which we know is a lie,  only again to make out that these parents are not loving and caring because they washed Cuddle Cat,  this is just to get the public on her side and I find that just quite sickening.

Then she went on to say the McCann's should stop looking for Madeleine that no amount of money will bring her back,   or words similar.  Well how the hell does she know that?   and who gives up on their missing child?   The McCann's were grateful that SY were opening up the investigation as there were certain leads that hadn't been investigated.   SY is in the process of looking into these leads and so are the Portuguese police,  so I think Katie Hopkins doesn't know whether they know where Madeleine is or if she is dead or alive and so her opinions mean nothing.

People such as Katie Hopkins make their money by being outrageous and out spoken,  it is something she takes pride in,  she doesn't care and she has said this how much she upsets anyone in doing so.   I for one couldn't do what Katie Hopkins does because I have empathy with people and it would play on my conscious if I upset someone,  but none of us are the same and if that is how she wants to make money then that is entirely up to her.

Very well said Lace. Totally agree.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 24, 2016, 10:36:53 AM
unwashed and stinking


like i said earlier ....how does a precious child's toy ....end up...in that state
by not being washed?  What is your point?  Are you criticising Kate for NOT washing it sooner? 
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 24, 2016, 10:37:58 AM
My favourite 'cuddlecat' moment was its little pink head popping up over Kate's bag as she went to her arguido interview. Now tell me it wasn't placed there for maximum effect.
Your cynicism knows no bounds does it?  Repulsive.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 10:38:57 AM
Very well said Lace. Totally agree.

Quite frankly, anyone who had an ounce of common sense, would never have done what the mcccanns did.

Loving parents do not place their socializing above their children's safety.

No amount of attempted whitewashing will change that.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 24, 2016, 10:39:33 AM
by not being washed?  What is your point?  Are you criticising Kate for NOT washing it sooner?

I have never understood the fuss made by some about Cuddle Cat being washed.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 24, 2016, 10:39:50 AM
@ lace


  they made a very bad decision and it back fired on them


so you think that makes it ok then....like someone thinks they are capable to drive after drinking and then kills someone ....

or would that be different ...because they are not the mccs
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 24, 2016, 10:41:33 AM
Why doesn't Katie Hopkins tell the parents of Claudia Lawrence that there's no point spending any more money on trying to find out what happened to her as she ain't coming back and it's time to move on?  Hasn't the woman any concept of justice?  That a serious crime has almost certainly been committed and that means that there is a potentially dangerous person out there that needs to be caught and brought to trial? 
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 24, 2016, 10:44:32 AM
@ lace


  they made a very bad decision and it back fired on them


so you think that makes it ok then....like someone thinks they are capable to drive after drinking and then kills someone ....

or would that be different ...because they are not the mccs

Of course I don't think it was ok,  I have said I wouldn't have left my children alone.   I am saying they made a bad decision as did their friends,   they have lost Madeleine because of it and are suffering because of it, the guilt must eat them up every day.   Katie Hopkins didn't remind them of what they did as they have the burden of what they did to carry around with them,  all she did was wind people up to have a go at them again, which to me is sickening.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 24, 2016, 10:47:18 AM
Why doesn't Katie Hopkins tell the parents of Claudia Lawrence that there's no point spending any more money on trying to find out what happened to her as she ain't coming back and it's time to move on?  Hasn't the woman any concept of justice?  That a serious crime has almost certainly been committed and that means that there is a potentially dangerous person out there that needs to be caught and brought to trial?

That is the other (vital) component of the investigation, trying to find a missing little girl; AND attempting to apprehend criminal(s) responsible for Madeleine's abduction.

The second priority (on its own!) justifies the cost of continuing to investigate, if there is a realistic chance of bringing the offender(s) to book.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 24, 2016, 10:50:10 AM
Quite frankly, anyone who had an ounce of common sense, would never have done what the mcccanns did.

Loving parents do not place their socializing above their children's safety.

No amount of attempted whitewashing will change that.

There you go again 'loving parents'     so you are saying the McCann's are not loving parents?    I can assure you that parents make bad decisions all the time,   take Amaral for instance he drove  whilst drunk with his children in the car,  he could have had an accident and they could have been killed,   is he a loving father?   Or maybe a parent who lets a child go out on a dinghy on the sea and it floats away and the child drowns,  its that a loving parent.   Or a parent who lets her child lag behind whilst walking by a busy road and the child runs into the road and is knocked over,  is that parent a loving parent?     All these incidents have happened,  these parents were stupid,  but not unloving,  they loved their child.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 10:51:45 AM
Of course I don't think it was ok,  I have said I wouldn't have left my children alone.   I am saying they made a bad decision as did their friends,   they have lost Madeleine because of it and are suffering because of it, the guilt must eat them up every day.   Katie Hopkins didn't remind them of what they did as they have the burden of what they did to carry around with them,  all she did was wind people up to have a go at them again, which to me is sickening.

NO.

What the comments section did was reveal that a lot of people are sick and tired of the mccanns bleating, as in the articles last week, trying to get sympathy for their repeated act of rank stupidity and carelessness.

Likewise, whilst some believed in abduction, clearly others didn't.

Also, again a recurrent theme, was what about other missing children, why this emphasis on just one child.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 24, 2016, 10:53:28 AM

oh pleeeeeeese....keep up

its disgusting it was washed ...im sure there are many out there who have things ....that mean every thing ...and if washed would mean nothing ..

How do you know that the McCann's didn't have something else of Madeleine's  what about the outfit she wore in the last photo?   Maybe that was under Kate's pillow,  we don't know.   Cuddle Cat had Eddie throwing it up in the air and playing with it,  it was covered in sun screen and sand,  so Kate washed it.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Benice on February 24, 2016, 10:58:13 AM

read your post again ...or look it up ...you are wrong ...it was washed before the dogs came  8**8:/:


Kate washed CC 5 days after Madeleines disappearance. Gerrys sister said it was cleaned again two months ago because it was filthy after being carried around.

 

A former Scotland Yard detective said. ‘It’s the last thing I’d expect a mother who is devastated at losing her child to do’.

If what you say is true then I will gladly retract my previous comments.

I'm not saying it's not true - but as this is the first time I've heard of this in 9 years - would you please provide a cite to authenticate it.





Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 24, 2016, 11:00:13 AM
NO.

What the comments section did was reveal that a lot of people are sick and tired of the mccanns bleating, as in the articles last week, trying to get sympathy for their repeated act of rank stupidity and carelessness.

Likewise, whilst some believed in abduction, clearly others didn't.

Also, again a recurrent theme, was what about other missing children, why this emphasis on just one child.


I don't think they were trying to get sympathy for what they did,  I think they were just voicing that the twins wanted Madeleine back and so did they,  there was nothing suggesting that they were saying what they had done was ok,   where was that Stephen I missed it.

People have their own opinions as to what happened to Madeleine yes,  but to keep on berating the McCann's for something they know they did wrong and can not put right is just nasty and cruel.

The other missing children?   what other abducted children are you talking about Stephen,  oh,  you don't believe in the abduction story do you,  well isn't it important then that SY find out what happened to Madeleine?   there could be an abductor out there?    Most of the missing children have either been abducted by a parent or have run away,  I believe that all other children in the UK who have been abducted have either been found dead or have had their case investigated,  if any new evidence is brought forward then that cold case is re opened.  Would you please refer to a case that you think needs money spent on it?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Benice on February 24, 2016, 11:05:44 AM

it proves it meant nothing to her ....they use everything for there own gain....look at maddie's sticker book ....ripped apart without a second thought

You are talking with hindsight which they didn't have at the time.    For all they knew Madeleine could be found at any second.    Therefore the sticker book would have none of the sentimental value at that time which it might later have acquired. 

So easy to be wise after the event.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 11:08:28 AM

I don't think they were trying to get sympathy for what they did,  I think they were just voicing that the twins wanted Madeleine back and so did they,  there was nothing suggesting that they were saying what they had done was ok,   where was that Stephen I missed it.

People have their own opinions as to what happened to Madeleine yes,  but to keep on berating the McCann's for something they know they did wrong and can not put right is just nasty and cruel.

The other missing children?   what other abducted children are you talking about Stephen,  oh,  you don't believe in the abduction story do you,  well isn't it important then that SY find out what happened to Madeleine?   there could be an abductor out there?    Most of the missing children have either been abducted by a parent or have run away,  I believe that all other children in the UK who have been abducted have either been found dead or have had their case investigated,  if any new evidence is brought forward then that cold case is re opened.  Would you please refer to a case that you think needs money spent on it?

You didn't answer my point.

Why is Madeleine special in mccann supporter eyes ?

Clearly the SY investigation is winding down, as to the Portuguese, nothing appears to be happening there either.

So you tell me Lace, without an abductor, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THE MCCANNS ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 24, 2016, 11:10:56 AM
You are talking with hindsight which they didn't have at the time.    For all they knew Madeleine could be found at any second.    Therefore the sticker book would have none of the sentimental value at that time which it might later have acquired. 

So easy to be wise after the event.

A sticker book requires no personal input from a child. Merely removing the stickers and placing them in the correct place. I cannot see that it would have any sentimental value, unlike little drawings done by a child. If I remember correctly Madeleine's little drawings were still displayed in the kitchen when the film was made showing Kate, Gerry and the twins quite some time after the abduction. Those are items which one would keep not some manufactured, shop bought sticker book.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 24, 2016, 11:15:17 AM
You didn't answer my point.

Why is Madeleine special in mccann supporter eyes ?

Clearly the SY investigation is winding down, as to the Portuguese, nothing appears to be happening there either.

So you tell me Lace, without an abductor, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THE MCCANNS ?

What are you talking about?   Any child is special whether they belong to the McCann's or not,   Madeleine disappeared in Portugal,  the first investigation did not cover all the leads,  SY found new leads, they are investigating.

Now answer my questions Stephen,  where in the articles that were recently printed in the paper does Kate McCann ask for sympathy about leaving the children?

Also what missing child in the UK do you think is not getting the attention it deserves?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 24, 2016, 11:35:44 AM
I have never understood the fuss made by some about Cuddle Cat being washed.

Me neither, it was possibly only a PR prop after all.

Reporter Andrew Price..Telegraph Sept 8th 2007 wrote…Was I alone in wondering whether that was for comfort or because it was what the PR advisers suggested?
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/41sep10/Steel7_06_09_2010.htm
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: faithlilly on February 24, 2016, 11:46:35 AM
Your cynicism knows no bounds does it?  Repulsive.

It's not my cynicism that's the problem, it's your gullibility. Are you truly asking us to believe that cuddlecat's head poking out of Kate's bag the way it was was simply fortuitous ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 24, 2016, 11:52:11 AM
Of course I don't think it was ok,  I have said I wouldn't have left my children alone.   I am saying they made a bad decision as did their friends,   they have lost Madeleine because of it and are suffering because of it, the guilt must eat them up every day.   Katie Hopkins didn't remind them of what they did as they have the burden of what they did to carry around with them,  all she did was wind people up to have a go at them again, which to me is sickening.


wrong ....it doesn't need K H ...to wind people up ...what the mccs did .,...they do that all by themselves....


i agree about the guilt though ....but your interpretation of the guilt [what they did] ....is different to mine ....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 12:03:27 PM
What are you talking about?   Any child is special whether they belong to the McCann's or not,   Madeleine disappeared in Portugal,  the first investigation did not cover all the leads,  SY found new leads, they are investigating.

Now answer my questions Stephen,  where in the articles that were recently printed in the paper does Kate McCann ask for sympathy about leaving the children?

Also what missing child in the UK do you think is not getting the attention it deserves?

We have been through this before.

Surely all missing children deserve attention.

The initial investigation found nothing, and Madeleine was searched for extensively , so stop typing myths.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 24, 2016, 12:04:57 PM
It's not my cynicism that's the problem, it's your gullibility. Are you truly asking us to believe that cuddlecat's head poking out of Kate's bag the way it was was simply fortuitous ?
I hadn't even noticed it, nor given it one second's thought in the last 8 years.  The fact that you fixate on these tiny details is really quite sad IMO.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 24, 2016, 12:14:39 PM
I'm still curious about how discussion morphed onto cuddle-cat.

Katie Hopkins doesn't mention the toy?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 24, 2016, 12:16:15 PM
How do you know that the McCann's didn't have something else of Madeleine's  what about the outfit she wore in the last photo?   Maybe that was under Kate's pillow,  we don't know.   Cuddle Cat had Eddie throwing it up in the air and playing with it,  it was covered in sun screen and sand,  so Kate washed it.


how do you know this ???????.......did you see it .....she washed it before the dogs ...fgs

did you ever see maddie with it.....noooo

all you know is what you were told ..it was maddie's favorite toy....like you believe everything you are told by the mccs ....

the mccs don't tell the truth ....the mccs ....they tell you what you are supposed to believe...there version

thankfully not every one is as gullible


 
 As a parent, why would you wash away the last traces you had of your child?







Reporter Andrew Price..Telegraph Sept 8th 2007 wrote…Was I alone in wondering whether that was for comfort or because it was what the PR advisers suggested?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 24, 2016, 12:19:14 PM

how do you know this ???????.......did you see it .....she washed it before the dogs ...fgs

did you ever see maddie with it.....noooo

all you know is what you were told ..it was maddie's favorite toy....like you believe everything you are told by the mccs ....

the mccs don't tell the truth ....the mccs ....they tell you what you are supposed to believe...there version

thankfully not every one is as gullible


 
 As a parent, why would you wash away the last traces you had of your child?







Reporter Andrew Price..Telegraph Sept 8th 2007 wrote…Was I alone in wondering whether that was for comfort or because it was what the PR advisers suggested?

Way back, right at the beginning, before the English police joined the investigation, why did the PJ not take cuddle-cat for forensic examination?

We know Portugal has a perfectly competent forensic laboratory ...
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 24, 2016, 12:24:14 PM

wrong ....it doesn't need K H ...to wind people up ...what the mccs did .,...they do that all by themselves....


i agree about the guilt though ....but your interpretation of the guilt [what they did] ....is different to mine ....

Wind people up AGAIN,   the McCann's know what they did,   do you not think that the guilt of knowing you left your child alone and someone took her is enough?   Or do you think that they should be hearing people saying it over and over 9 years later is good?   

Lets hear your interpretation of the guilt about what they did?   

If the McCann's went on bended knees and cried to the public that they were sorry,  it wouldn't be enough for some,  they enjoy beating them up about it.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 24, 2016, 12:24:37 PM
I have never understood the fuss made by some about Cuddle Cat being washed.

well it says a lot about you ....maybe the below will enlighten you ...but when that was wrote it had already been washed

Published: 09 May 2007
 
Distraught mum Kate McCann presses little Madeleine's favourite toy to her lips as she prays for her daughter's safe returnThe 38-year-old has carried fluffy pink plaything "Cuddle Cat" everywhere for the past five days, pinning it to her handbag and taking it to church in Praia da Luz, the Algarve.
.
A source said: "It's her way of keeping something of Madeleine close to her. Any mother can imagine how important it has become."

It is grubby now, a little battered and undoubtedly tear-stained. But the pink soft toy that Kate McCann has hugged close to her over this interminable week, the only remaining physical link with her daughter, is becoming the focus for the thoughts, fears, prayers and dwindling hopes of all of us.
 
Madeleine McCann christened it the "Cuddle Cat", according to a relative. It is the toy she wanted when she was upset and frightened, when she felt in need of a cuddle. And it is all the more poignant because each of us will know a child who takes unfathomable comfort from something similar; the "huggy" blanket, however grimy, that a toddler refuses to be separated from at bedtime, or an ancient bear of indeterminate breed that comes into its own when tiredness swamps a four-year-old.
 
To learn that Maddy's precious toy was left behind in the bedroom of the McCann's holiday apartment from where she was abducted last Thursday is all the more heart-breaking.
 
Whatever fragments of comfort it gives her shattered mother to have something of her daughter's to clutch while she waits for news, she will be wishing fervently that Maddy was holding it instead. If ever this little girl needed her Cuddle Cat it is now.



Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 24, 2016, 12:27:09 PM
well it says a lot about you ....maybe the below will enlighten you ...but when that was wrote it had already been washed

Published: 09 May 2007
 
Distraught mum Kate McCann presses little Madeleine's favourite toy to her lips as she prays for her daughter's safe returnThe 38-year-old has carried fluffy pink plaything "Cuddle Cat" everywhere for the past five days, pinning it to her handbag and taking it to church in Praia da Luz, the Algarve.
.
A source said: "It's her way of keeping something of Madeleine close to her. Any mother can imagine how important it has become."

It is grubby now, a little battered and undoubtedly tear-stained. But the pink soft toy that Kate McCann has hugged close to her over this interminable week, the only remaining physical link with her daughter, is becoming the focus for the thoughts, fears, prayers and dwindling hopes of all of us.
 
Madeleine McCann christened it the "Cuddle Cat", according to a relative. It is the toy she wanted when she was upset and frightened, when she felt in need of a cuddle. And it is all the more poignant because each of us will know a child who takes unfathomable comfort from something similar; the "huggy" blanket, however grimy, that a toddler refuses to be separated from at bedtime, or an ancient bear of indeterminate breed that comes into its own when tiredness swamps a four-year-old.
 
To learn that Maddy's precious toy was left behind in the bedroom of the McCann's holiday apartment from where she was abducted last Thursday is all the more heart-breaking.
 
Whatever fragments of comfort it gives her shattered mother to have something of her daughter's to clutch while she waits for news, she will be wishing fervently that Maddy was holding it instead. If ever this little girl needed her Cuddle Cat it is now.

What date was it washed, and please provide the cite for this.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 24, 2016, 12:28:45 PM

how do you know this ???????.......did you see it .....she washed it before the dogs ...fgs

did you ever see maddie with it.....noooo

all you know is what you were told ..it was maddie's favorite toy....like you believe everything you are told by the mccs ....

the mccs don't tell the truth ....the mccs ....they tell you what you are supposed to believe...there version

thankfully not every one is as gullible


 


 As a parent, why would you wash away the last traces you had of your child?


For got sakes,   wash away the last traces of your child!!!    they had umpteen  things belonging to Madeleine,   the same people who go on about the washing of Cuddle Cat are the same people who go on about the McCann's keeping Madeleine's room as a shrine to her.     Why don't they just mind their own business about what the McCann's treasure of Madeleine's it's no one else's business.   You remind of me of some who go on that the book Kate wrote wasn't about Madeleine,   they expected the book to be all about Madeleine,  why?   The McCann's keep those memories for themselves.







Reporter Andrew Price..Telegraph Sept 8th 2007 wrote…Was I alone in wondering whether that was for comfort or because it was what the PR advisers suggested?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 24, 2016, 12:29:42 PM
You are talking with hindsight which they didn't have at the time.    For all they knew Madeleine could be found at any second.    Therefore the sticker book would have none of the sentimental value at that time which it might later have acquired. 

So easy to be wise after the event.


well why wasn't they out looking for her then if they thought maddie was out there .....why was a timeline more important any way...
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 24, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Sorry,  could someone please separate my post from xtinas please?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 24, 2016, 12:30:31 PM

well why wasn't they out looking for her then if they thought maddie was out there .....why was a timeline more important any way...

The time line was written after they went looking for her and not by the McCann's.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 24, 2016, 12:32:46 PM
well it says a lot about you ....maybe the below will enlighten you ...but when that was wrote it had already been washed

Published: 09 May 2007
 
Distraught mum Kate McCann presses little Madeleine's favourite toy to her lips as she prays for her daughter's safe returnThe 38-year-old has carried fluffy pink plaything "Cuddle Cat" everywhere for the past five days, pinning it to her handbag and taking it to church in Praia da Luz, the Algarve.
.
A source said: "It's her way of keeping something of Madeleine close to her. Any mother can imagine how important it has become."

It is grubby now, a little battered and undoubtedly tear-stained. But the pink soft toy that Kate McCann has hugged close to her over this interminable week, the only remaining physical link with her daughter, is becoming the focus for the thoughts, fears, prayers and dwindling hopes of all of us.
 
Madeleine McCann christened it the "Cuddle Cat", according to a relative. It is the toy she wanted when she was upset and frightened, when she felt in need of a cuddle. And it is all the more poignant because each of us will know a child who takes unfathomable comfort from something similar; the "huggy" blanket, however grimy, that a toddler refuses to be separated from at bedtime, or an ancient bear of indeterminate breed that comes into its own when tiredness swamps a four-year-old.
 
To learn that Maddy's precious toy was left behind in the bedroom of the McCann's holiday apartment from where she was abducted last Thursday is all the more heart-breaking.
 
Whatever fragments of comfort it gives her shattered mother to have something of her daughter's to clutch while she waits for news, she will be wishing fervently that Maddy was holding it instead. If ever this little girl needed her Cuddle Cat it is now.



All the other toys of Madeleine's were at home weren't they?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 24, 2016, 12:36:43 PM
What date was it washed, and please provide the cite for this.

Sometime between the 4th and the 9th of May, according to Xtina.  Although the article say nothing about that.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 24, 2016, 12:39:26 PM
well it says a lot about you ....maybe the below will enlighten you ...but when that was wrote it had already been washed

Published: 09 May 2007
 
Distraught mum Kate McCann presses little Madeleine's favourite toy to her lips as she prays for her daughter's safe returnThe 38-year-old has carried fluffy pink plaything "Cuddle Cat" everywhere for the past five days, pinning it to her handbag and taking it to church in Praia da Luz, the Algarve.
.
A source said: "It's her way of keeping something of Madeleine close to her. Any mother can imagine how important it has become."

It is grubby now, a little battered and undoubtedly tear-stained. But the pink soft toy that Kate McCann has hugged close to her over this interminable week, the only remaining physical link with her daughter, is becoming the focus for the thoughts, fears, prayers and dwindling hopes of all of us.
 
Madeleine McCann christened it the "Cuddle Cat", according to a relative. It is the toy she wanted when she was upset and frightened, when she felt in need of a cuddle. And it is all the more poignant because each of us will know a child who takes unfathomable comfort from something similar; the "huggy" blanket, however grimy, that a toddler refuses to be separated from at bedtime, or an ancient bear of indeterminate breed that comes into its own when tiredness swamps a four-year-old.
 
To learn that Maddy's precious toy was left behind in the bedroom of the McCann's holiday apartment from where she was abducted last Thursday is all the more heart-breaking.
 
Whatever fragments of comfort it gives her shattered mother to have something of her daughter's to clutch while she waits for news, she will be wishing fervently that Maddy was holding it instead. If ever this little girl needed her Cuddle Cat it is now.


I have no idea why my post warranted such a rude reply.

Your post explains why cuddle cat was important and comforting to Madeleine and therefore Kate.
It does not explain why sceptics get so concerned about it being washed.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 24, 2016, 12:46:45 PM
If what you say is true then I will gladly retract my previous comments.

I'm not saying it's not true - but as this is the first time I've heard of this in 9 years - would you please provide a cite to authenticate it.





The reason why she is so scathing is because she thinks CC was washed after only 5 days.  That allegation is completely untrue.

By the time CC was washed weeks later - it no longer resembled the cuddly toy Kate was used to seeing her daughter with.  It was really grubby and smelled of suntan lotion.   Washing it restored it to how it looked when Madeleine played with it.

KH's comments re CC were because she'd got her facts wrong - and her cruel condemnation of Kate emanated from that IMO.    To publically slur someone's character  based on a lie is libellous IMO.   And if it isn't it should be.

where is your proof ...for what you posted....its you who got the facts wrong ...



excuse me ....it's you who got the facts wrong .......where is your proof ...you provide a cite with what you said you are the one calling K H a libellouse not me ....

or are you like the mccs .....what you say goes ....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 24, 2016, 12:53:42 PM
Sometime between the 4th and the 9th of May, according to Xtina.  Although the article say nothing about that.
Perhaps she would like to provide the source for this information, assuming it isn't Katie Hopkins...?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 24, 2016, 01:08:17 PM
I'm still curious about how discussion morphed onto cuddle-cat.

Katie Hopkins doesn't mention the toy?


 @)(++(*

tell that to benice
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 24, 2016, 01:13:45 PM
I'm still curious about how discussion morphed onto cuddle-cat.

Katie Hopkins doesn't mention the toy?
Did you not read the full bile-filled article Ferryman?  This is what the nasty cow wrote:

Leaving your babies alone, too far away to see. Knowing your daughter is gone and still able to play tennis. Taking her little bed-time toy, Cuddle Cat, with the last smell of their daughter, and putting it in the wash just five days after she vanished into the night.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3457221/KATIE-HOPKINS-ll-never-know-really-happened-Maddy-parents-accept-share-blame-let-go.html#ixzz415gpy7e1
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Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 24, 2016, 01:18:04 PM
The thing that surprises me about Katie Hopkins attack on Kate McCann is that I would have put money on her being one of these "stuff and nonsense" types who would berate helicopter mums for wrapping their kids up in cotton wool and being overly sentimental and aggressively protective about their kids.  Maybe that's for another article.  She strikes me more of the sort who would dump her 5 year old by the side of the road 5 miles from home with a compass and a Mars Bar and roar off in the Jag, telling them to be home in time for tea, character building stuff don't you know!
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 01:48:18 PM
Did you not read the full bile-filled article Ferryman?  This is what the nasty cow wrote:

Leaving your babies alone, too far away to see. Knowing your daughter is gone and still able to play tennis. Taking her little bed-time toy, Cuddle Cat, with the last smell of their daughter, and putting it in the wash just five days after she vanished into the night.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3457221/KATIE-HOPKINS-ll-never-know-really-happened-Maddy-parents-accept-share-blame-let-go.html#ixzz415gpy7e1
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Talking of bile filled views, try this.

I recommend you proceed with caution (and I am being serious).

Brietta , take note.

https://twitter.com/LoveRandomleigh
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 24, 2016, 01:52:43 PM
Talking of bile filled views, try this.

I recommend you proceed with caution (and I am being serious).

Brietta , take note.

https://twitter.com/LoveRandomleigh
Twitter is for tw..s.  I've seen plenty of bile on there, the vast majority of it from McCann "sceptics" who outnumber supporters on the #McCann tag by 10 to one.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 01:56:15 PM
Twitter is for tw..s.  I've seen plenty of bile on there, the vast majority of it from McCann "sceptics" who outnumber supporters on the #McCann tag by 10 to one.

In your dreams.

They are all as bad as each other.

Now will brietta and other supporters who deny there are mccann supporters who abuse people, actually admit there are ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: faithlilly on February 24, 2016, 01:58:56 PM
I hadn't even noticed it, nor given it one second's thought in the last 8 years.  The fact that you fixate on these tiny details is really quite sad IMO.

Simply commenting on something does not a fixation make Alfie.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 24, 2016, 02:12:05 PM
 GONCALO AMARAL ON CUDDLE CAT

From his book:

These first observations are not the only ones that lead us to consider a set-up. The way the bed sheets were arranged but also the child's soft toy equally raise doubts.

- Do you see how the sheets are lying? You'd think the child got out by herself....or that she didn't sleep there.

- Someone could have unintentionally touched the curtains while looking for the little girl inside the apartment.

- And the soft toy she slept with? That's not in a natural position either. How would she have found it, along the pillow like that?

- The mother says that the soft toy was beside the pillow when she noticed the disappearance, which, according to her, was its usual place.

- Which means that the little girl slept without holding it? Children normally clutch their security object to fall asleep. But if that's not the case, the way it's placed doesn't seem natural. She would inevitably have moved it turning over in her sleep.



C C was just another P R ploy.....it meant nothing to k mc ....it would have been kept private a personal thing ..for her and maddie  ,...not flaunted about...to get filthy and stinking ....according to her ...it was the last thing maddie held ....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 24, 2016, 02:27:42 PM
Simply commenting on something does not a fixation make Alfie.
The fact that this tiny detail lodged in your mind 9 years ago and is still being trotted out by you all these years later would seem to say otherwise.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 24, 2016, 02:28:54 PM
GONCALO AMARAL ON CUDDLE CAT

From his book:

These first observations are not the only ones that lead us to consider a set-up. The way the bed sheets were arranged but also the child's soft toy equally raise doubts.

- Do you see how the sheets are lying? You'd think the child got out by herself....or that she didn't sleep there.

- Someone could have unintentionally touched the curtains while looking for the little girl inside the apartment.

- And the soft toy she slept with? That's not in a natural position either. How would she have found it, along the pillow like that?

- The mother says that the soft toy was beside the pillow when she noticed the disappearance, which, according to her, was its usual place.

- Which means that the little girl slept without holding it? Children normally clutch their security object to fall asleep. But if that's not the case, the way it's placed doesn't seem natural. She would inevitably have moved it turning over in her sleep.



C C was just another P R ploy.....it meant nothing to k mc ....it would have been kept private a personal thing ..for her and maddie  ,...not flaunted about...to get filthy and stinking ....according to her ...it was the last thing maddie held ....
I take it we're not going to get a cite from you concerning the washing of Cuddlecat five days after MAdeleine went missing...?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 24, 2016, 02:58:32 PM
The fact that this tiny detail lodged in your mind 9 years ago and is still being trotted out by you all these years later would seem to say otherwise.


 @)(++(*....oh you are so funny alf ....who can take you seriously..

i think you might find if you go back ...it was benice who brought this up in the first place

lets face it ....you don't have to be fixated on anything ....to do with the mccs ...they have provided so much over the years ...

its the abduction ....it seems you are fixated on ....cant discuss that ...as there is no proof

so all that is left to you ...is to trash ....all that has nothing to do with it ....because it points to it never happening

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 24, 2016, 03:10:45 PM

 @)(++(*....oh you are so funny alf ....who can take you seriously..

i think you might find if you go back ...it was benice who brought this up in the first place

lets face it ....you don't have to be fixated on anything ....to do with the mccs ...they have provided so much over the years ...

its the abduction ....it seems you are fixated on ....cant discuss that ...as there is no proof

so all that is left to you ...is to trash ....all that has nothing to do with it ....because it points to it never happening
I think if you go right back to the beginning of this thread it is dear Katie Hopkins who brought up the subject of Cuddlecat.  Then pages and pages on, you yourself made a claim that Kate washed Cuddlecat within 5 days of Madeleine's disappearance, a claim which you have failed to substantiate.  Faithlilly has also chipped in with her "favourite Cuddlecat moment" - a glimpse of said toy 9 years ago she remembers fondly to this very day, and yet apparently it is me causes mirth and who can't be taken seriously. Well go figure, I suppose in the topsy turvy world of the "sceptic" that's only to be expected... *&*%£
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 24, 2016, 03:55:49 PM
I think if you go right back to the beginning of this thread it is dear Katie Hopkins who brought up the subject of Cuddlecat.  Then pages and pages on, you yourself made a claim that Kate washed Cuddlecat within 5 days of Madeleine's disappearance, a claim which you have failed to substantiate.  Faithlilly has also chipped in with her "favourite Cuddlecat moment" - a glimpse of said toy 9 years ago she remembers fondly to this very day, and yet apparently it is me causes mirth and who can't be taken seriously. Well go figure, I suppose in the topsy turvy world of the "sceptic" that's only to be expected... *&*%£

In response to what I underline, unless we are talking about a different article, it does not refer to cuddle-cat (I don't think).

I've read it several times ....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 24, 2016, 04:02:50 PM
In response to what I underline, unless we are talking about a different article, it does not refer to cuddle-cat (I don't think).

I've read it several times ....
I'm talking about Katie Hopkins article, the one this thread is on about - what article are you talking about?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 04:08:17 PM
I'm talking about Katie Hopkins article, the one this thread is on about - what article are you talking about?

Indeed Alfred. Cuddle cat is mentioned in the article.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 24, 2016, 04:21:10 PM
I'm talking about Katie Hopkins article, the one this thread is on about - what article are you talking about?

I read the blurb of the opening post rather than the article itself.

Now corrected ....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Benice on February 24, 2016, 06:29:53 PM
well it says a lot about you ....maybe the below will enlighten you ...but when that was wrote it had already been washed

Published: 09 May 2007
 
Distraught mum Kate McCann presses little Madeleine's favourite toy to her lips as she prays for her daughter's safe returnThe 38-year-old has carried fluffy pink plaything "Cuddle Cat" everywhere for the past five days, pinning it to her handbag and taking it to church in Praia da Luz, the Algarve.
.
A source said: "It's her way of keeping something of Madeleine close to her. Any mother can imagine how important it has become."

[b]It is grubby now, a little battered and undoubtedly tear-stained.
But the pink soft toy that Kate McCann has hugged close to her over this interminable week, the only remaining physical link with her daughter, is becoming the focus for the thoughts, fears, prayers and dwindling hopes of all of us.
 
Madeleine McCann christened it the "Cuddle Cat", according to a relative. It is the toy she wanted when she was upset and frightened, when she felt in need of a cuddle. And it is all the more poignant because each of us will know a child who takes unfathomable comfort from something similar; the "huggy" blanket, however grimy, that a toddler refuses to be separated from at bedtime, or an ancient bear of indeterminate breed that comes into its own when tiredness swamps a four-year-old.
 
To learn that Maddy's precious toy was left behind in the bedroom of the McCann's holiday apartment from where she was abducted last Thursday is all the more heart-breaking.
 
Whatever fragments of comfort it gives her shattered mother to have something of her daughter's to clutch while she waits for news, she will be wishing fervently that Maddy was holding it instead. If ever this little girl needed her Cuddle Cat it is now.[/b]

Is this supposed to prove that CC was washed after 5 days?  Seriously?

The  article states that after 5 days of CC being carried everywhere.... ''IT IS GRUBBY NOW''

IOW it hadn't been washed at all after 5 days  - which is the exact  opposite of what you have claimed.   

If it had been washed-  then surely the article would have said that after 5 days of being grubby ''IT IS CLEAN NOW''  ?

Can you provide a cite please to back up your claim that CC had already been washed before the article was written.  Madeleine disappeared on the 3rd and the article is dated the 9th May - which is only 6 days later.

If you can't do that then IMO you should withdraw your claim that CC was washed after only 5 days.




Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 24, 2016, 06:51:08 PM

read your post again ...or look it up ...you are wrong ...it was washed before the dogs came  8**8:/:


Kate washed CC 5 days after Madeleines disappearance. Gerrys sister said it was cleaned again two months ago because it was filthy after being carried around.

 

A former Scotland Yard detective said. ‘It’s the last thing I’d expect a mother who is devastated at losing her child to do’.

Cuddle Cat was in the bed with Madeleine.  Cuddle Cat was evidence.  Cuddle Cat was not carefully bagged immediately as evidence and dispatched to the Portuguese lab for forensic examination.

It is recognised as one of the initial errors of the investigation spearheaded by Goncalo Amaral.

Perhaps Katie Hopkins should take a step back and wonder why Cuddle Cat should not have been taken to be tested and not why it should have been available to be washed.

In my experience children smell of their last bath and talc ... I have never noticed the 'smell of a child' on a clean soft toy ... has anyone?

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 07:18:42 PM
Cuddle Cat was in the bed with Madeleine.  Cuddle Cat was evidence.  Cuddle Cat was not carefully bagged immediately as evidence and dispatched to the Portuguese lab for forensic examination.

It is recognised as one of the initial errors of the investigation spearheaded by Goncalo Amaral.

Perhaps Katie Hopkins should take a step back and wonder why Cuddle Cat should not have been taken to be tested and not why it should have been available to be washed.

In my experience children smell of their last bath and talc ... I have never noticed the 'smell of a child' on a clean soft toy ... has anyone?

How do you know cuddle cat was in bed with Madeleine, when the bed of course looks barely disturbed ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 24, 2016, 07:20:59 PM
How do you know cuddle cat was in bed with Madeleine, when the bed of course looks barely disturbed ?

 Mrs McCann said so, so it must be true.  8(0(*
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 07:22:10 PM
Mrs McCann said so, so it must be true.  8(0(*

..and we are to believe everything she said or says. 8**8:/:
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 24, 2016, 07:24:14 PM
..and we are to believe everything she said or says. 8**8:/:


Absolutely. How could one doubt a grieving mother?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 07:28:28 PM

Absolutely. How could one doubt a grieving mother?

Absolutely.

Just like below.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bExBdC6Gfl0/TgRowNRZSvI/AAAAAAAAI0s/OM2TKpDTcfw/s400/5.jpg)
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 24, 2016, 07:30:15 PM
Cuddle Cat was in the bed with Madeleine.  Cuddle Cat was evidence.  Cuddle Cat was not carefully bagged immediately as evidence and dispatched to the Portuguese lab for forensic examination.

It is recognised as one of the initial errors of the investigation spearheaded by Goncalo Amaral.

Perhaps Katie Hopkins should take a step back and wonder why Cuddle Cat should not have been taken to be tested and not why it should have been available to be washed.

In my experience children smell of their last bath and talc ... I have never noticed the 'smell of a child' on a clean soft toy ... has anyone?

No.

You are right, children smell of the shampoo and conditioner on their hair, their clothes, if clean smell of the detergent and softener used during laundry.

Toys, especially modern soft toys are easily washed and most mothers wash them frequently .
So any soft toy would smell of detergent etc. , unless it was dirty.

This is why I have never understood the nonsense about  washing the smell of a child away.



Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 24, 2016, 07:30:50 PM
A sticker book requires no personal input from a child. Merely removing the stickers and placing them in the correct place. I cannot see that it would have any sentimental value, unlike little drawings done by a child. If I remember correctly Madeleine's little drawings were still displayed in the kitchen when the film was made showing Kate, Gerry and the twins quite some time after the abduction. Those are items which one would keep not some manufactured, shop bought sticker book.

Is there even any evidence that Madeleine had played with the sticker book?  It has been my experience that when holidaying with young children quite often there has been a colouring/sticker book and pencils provided in a welcome pack.
She had busy, full days with plenty of activities, they read her bedtime stories and if memory serves me well the couch had been pushed against the wall because the children threw cards etc. behind it.

Why one would pick on something which occurred when the priority was a missing child and getting immediate memories down into some sort of order is beyond me.
Russell O'Brien wrote the timeline which appeared to meet with the approval of the attending officers who were not keen on issuing an alert.  " ...and then turning round to me writing the timeline and saying 'That's what we want', fair enough." Russell's rogatory statement
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 24, 2016, 07:36:07 PM
Cuddle Cat was in the bed with Madeleine.  Cuddle Cat was evidence.  Cuddle Cat was not carefully bagged immediately as evidence and dispatched to the Portuguese lab for forensic examination.

It is recognised as one of the initial errors of the investigation spearheaded by Goncalo Amaral.

Perhaps Katie Hopkins should take a step back and wonder why Cuddle Cat should not have been taken to be tested and not why it should have been available to be washed.

In my experience children smell of their last bath and talc ... I have never noticed the 'smell of a child' on a clean soft toy ... has anyone?

What does DNA smell like?

Jon Corner, a godfather of one of the McCanns’ children, said: "The Cuddle Cat was reeking with Madeleine’s DNA. That easily explains why DNA has been found in the hire car and on clothing that Kate bought after Madeleine disappeared."
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id60.html
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 07:40:44 PM
What does DNA smell like?

Jon Corner, a godfather of one of the McCanns’ children, said: "The Cuddle Cat was reeking with Madeleine’s DNA. That easily explains why DNA has been found in the hire car and on clothing that Kate bought after Madeleine disappeared."
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id60.html

There are so many contradictions and illogic displayed by many members of the McCann clan.

Likewise, no understanding of basic science.

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 24, 2016, 07:42:36 PM
Is there even any evidence that Madeleine had played with the sticker book?  It has been my experience that when holidaying with young children quite often there has been a colouring/sticker book and pencils provided in a welcome pack.
She had busy, full days with plenty of activities, they read her bedtime stories and if memory serves me well the couch had been pushed against the wall because the children threw cards etc. behind it.

Why one would pick on something which occurred when the priority was a missing child and getting immediate memories down into some sort of order is beyond me.
Russell O'Brien wrote the timeline which appeared to meet with the approval of the attending officers who were not keen on issuing an alert.  " ...and then turning round to me writing the timeline and saying 'That's what we want', fair enough." Russell's rogatory statement

It's the shrieks of horror that accompany the idea that the sticker book was used to write down  the timeline which I find ridiculous. You are right there is no evidence that she had played with it. As I said there is nothing of a child's own creativity or personality in a completed or partially completed sticker book.  Just another way to attack Madeleine's parents and pretty stupid it is.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 07:44:36 PM
It's the shrieks of horror that accompany the idea that the sticker book was used to write down  the timeline which I find ridiculous. You are right there is no evidence that she had played with it. As I said there is nothing of a child's own creativity or personality in a completed or partially completed sticker book.  Just another way to attack Madeleine's parents and pretty stupid it is.

So why instead of writing their timelines, why weren't they searching ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 24, 2016, 07:52:16 PM
Priorities, dear boy, priorities
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 07:58:38 PM
Priorities, dear boy, priorities

Absolutely Jassi.

Getting the timelines in sync., was far more important.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 24, 2016, 07:59:32 PM
What does DNA smell like?

Jon Corner, a godfather of one of the McCanns’ children, said: "The Cuddle Cat was reeking with Madeleine’s DNA. That easily explains why DNA has been found in the hire car and on clothing that Kate bought after Madeleine disappeared."
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id60.html

He doubtless meant teeming.  Or the report is a typo ....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 24, 2016, 08:00:59 PM
For those who are worried about Ms Hopkins mistakes, which 'proper journalists don't make;


    
Cuddle Cat placed out of reach, 12 August 2007
    
Maddy was alive when taken Sunday Mirror
 
By Lori Campbell in Praia da Luz
Published: 12/08/2007

Missing Madeleine McCann's favourite pink Cuddle Cat toy was taken from her arms as she slept and placed beyond her reach by her kidnapper. That is why police are certain Madeleine was snatched while she was asleep - and was NOT killed or injured in the holiday apartment.....There is also further "concrete evidence" that Madeleine was still ALIVE when she left the holiday apartment. Her kidnapper had a window of just five minutes to strike - from when dad Gerry last checked on the children until family friend Jane Tanner saw a man carrying away a child she is sure was Madeleine wrapped in a blanket.....Police have specific evidence from the apartment that she was still alive.......Madeleine was kidnapped as the toy she had fallen asleep with was left on a ledge placed too high for a child to reach...............There was a window of less than five minutes for a kidnapper to pounce - not enough time to kill her and clean up...........Police do not believe blood found in the apartment was Madeleine's as it was not consistent with signs of a struggle......The patio doors were unlocked but the intruder used the window to escape with Madeleine as the shutters were forced up........Our police source said: "When Kate tucked Madeleine up in bed earlier in the evening, she had toy tightly in her arms as she did every night. So Kate was terrified when she spotted it had been left in a place too high for her to reach. Kate also noticed the window was wide opened and the shutters jammed up. It was because of these things that she had no doubt Madeleine had been kidnapped and she ran out to scream for help."
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 08:02:38 PM
He doubtless meant teeming.  Or the report is a typo ....

Aren't they always...... &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 24, 2016, 08:03:04 PM
So why instead of writing their timelines, why weren't they searching ?

What was more important in your opinion ... bearing in mind they had all been searching ... the women comforting a distraught mother and guarding the remaining children ... continuing the search as one of the many other searchers, or writing down the facts which would immediately inform the investigating authorities?

Rhetorical question, please don't trouble yourself to answer ...

(a)  you have a small amount of repetitive quotes to meet your requirements ~
(b)  I had forgotten I'm ignoring you for the time being.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 24, 2016, 08:13:51 PM
He doubtless meant teeming.  Or the report is a typo ....

Or the guys a bit dim......
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 24, 2016, 08:19:54 PM
Or the guys a bit dim......
of course you never use the wrong word do you... *cough*
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 08:34:21 PM
What was more important in your opinion ... bearing in mind they had all been searching ... the women comforting a distraught mother and guarding the remaining children ... continuing the search as one of the many other searchers, or writing down the facts which would immediately inform the investigating authorities?

Rhetorical question, please don't trouble yourself to answer ...

(a)  you have a small amount of repetitive quotes to meet your requirements ~
(b)  I had forgotten I'm ignoring you for the time being.
.

So

I feel sure the McCann's and their supporters enjoy your diatribes, if no one else. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 08:40:42 PM
What was more important in your opinion ... bearing in mind they had all been searching ... the women comforting a distraught mother and guarding the remaining children ... continuing the search as one of the many other searchers, or writing down the facts which would immediately inform the investigating authorities?

Rhetorical question, please don't trouble yourself to answer ...

(a)  you have a small amount of repetitive quotes to meet your requirements ~
(b)  I had forgotten I'm ignoring you for the time being.

Guarding the remaining children.

Kate McCann left the remaining children to tell the others Madeleine was missing.

Your responses lack logic and reasoned argument.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Montclair on February 24, 2016, 09:34:10 PM
For those who are worried about Ms Hopkins mistakes, which 'proper journalists don't make;


    
Cuddle Cat placed out of reach, 12 August 2007
    
Maddy was alive when taken Sunday Mirror
 
By Lori Campbell in Praia da Luz
Published: 12/08/2007

Missing Madeleine McCann's favourite pink Cuddle Cat toy was taken from her arms as she slept and placed beyond her reach by her kidnapper. That is why police are certain Madeleine was snatched while she was asleep - and was NOT killed or injured in the holiday apartment.....There is also further "concrete evidence" that Madeleine was still ALIVE when she left the holiday apartment. Her kidnapper had a window of just five minutes to strike - from when dad Gerry last checked on the children until family friend Jane Tanner saw a man carrying away a child she is sure was Madeleine wrapped in a blanket.....Police have specific evidence from the apartment that she was still alive.......Madeleine was kidnapped as the toy she had fallen asleep with was left on a ledge placed too high for a child to reach...............There was a window of less than five minutes for a kidnapper to pounce - not enough time to kill her and clean up...........Police do not believe blood found in the apartment was Madeleine's as it was not consistent with signs of a struggle......The patio doors were unlocked but the intruder used the window to escape with Madeleine as the shutters were forced up........Our police source said: "When Kate tucked Madeleine up in bed earlier in the evening, she had toy tightly in her arms as she did every night. So Kate was terrified when she spotted it had been left in a place too high for her to reach. Kate also noticed the window was wide opened and the shutters jammed up. It was because of these things that she had no doubt Madeleine had been kidnapped and she ran out to scream for help."

So cuddle cat was placed on a ledge? The problem was that there was no ledge in the bedroom.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 24, 2016, 09:37:26 PM
Guarding the remaining children.[/b]

Kate McCann left the remaining children to tell the others Madeleine was missing.

Your responses lack logic and reasoned argument.

As if the phantom child stealer would strike again.

Shades of horses and stable doors springs to mind.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 24, 2016, 09:54:45 PM

As if the phantom child stealer would strike again.

Shades of horses and stable doors springs to mind.

It merely compounded the mccanns illogical behaviour.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: pathfinder73 on February 24, 2016, 10:42:04 PM
Cuddle Cat was in the bed with Madeleine.  Cuddle Cat was evidence.  Cuddle Cat was not carefully bagged immediately as evidence and dispatched to the Portuguese lab for forensic examination.

It is recognised as one of the initial errors of the investigation spearheaded by Goncalo Amaral.

Perhaps Katie Hopkins should take a step back and wonder why Cuddle Cat should not have been taken to be tested and not why it should have been available to be washed.

In my experience children smell of their last bath and talc ... I have never noticed the 'smell of a child' on a clean soft toy ... has anyone?

Eddie barked at it because cadaver hands fetched it and put it on the bed. I want to see all those photos of Madeleine with her precious cat.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 24, 2016, 10:47:12 PM
Eddie barked at it because cadaver hands fetched it and put it on the bed. I want to see all those photos of Madeleine with her precious cat.

Why didn't Eddie bark while he was playing with the toy?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: pathfinder73 on February 24, 2016, 10:58:16 PM
Why didn't Eddie bark while he was playing with the toy?

From a source who knows MG.

I asked Martin why Eddie did not alert to cuddle cat when he first encountered the toy and his response was this, and I quote:

"Eddie was given a cuddly toy as a reward in training so reverted to puppy mode. His initial reaction in playing with the toy was not unusual at all."
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 24, 2016, 10:58:27 PM
Eddie barked at it because cadaver hands fetched it and put it on the bed. I want to see all those photos of Madeleine with her precious cat.
what a creepy couple of sentences.  Do get a grip.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ferryman on February 24, 2016, 10:59:49 PM
From a source who knows MG.

I asked Martin why Eddie did not alert to cuddle cat when he first encountered the toy and his response was this, and I quote:

"Eddie was given a cuddly toy as a reward in training so reverted to puppy mode. His initial reaction in playing with the toy was not unusual at all."

I seem to recall it was also Martin Grime who claimed he recommended the toy be forensically examined ....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Carana on February 24, 2016, 11:00:29 PM
Eddie barked at it because cadaver hands fetched it and put it on the bed. I want to see all those photos of Madeleine with her precious cat.

She had it at bedtime or if she wasn't feeling well. I see no reason why the McCanns should feel obliged to produce any photos of her cuddling up to it for people on forums to pore over.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 24, 2016, 11:05:36 PM
I seem to recall it was also Martin Grime who claimed he recommended the toy be forensically examined ....

Oh, you mean the disgraced dog handler? (only by you btw) Make your mind up!
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: pathfinder73 on February 24, 2016, 11:05:59 PM
She had it at bedtime or if she wasn't feeling well. I see no reason why the McCanns should feel obliged to produce any photos of her cuddling up to it for people on forums to pore over.

Eddie didn't alert to the toy for blood. It was a cadaver alert like he did in another case where he alerted to the suspects diary who wrote in it after he had handled a body.

Cornwall, UK
A woman was reported missing by her partner. A search of the suspects
house by the EVRD was conducted who indicated on the living room carpet.
No forensic evidence was recovered. Subsequently a diary written by the
suspect was alert indicated by the dog. The diary had written extracts that the
offender had laid the victim on the carpet whilst dead, the diary had in fact
been written by the suspect having handled the body. This was confirmed by
the offender in interview.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 24, 2016, 11:08:56 PM
Eddie didn't alert to the toy for blood. It was a cadaver alert like he did in another case where he alerted to the suspects diary who wrote in it after he had moved a body.

Cornwall, UK
A woman was reported missing by her partner. A search of the suspects
house by the EVRD was conducted who indicated on the living room carpet.
No forensic evidence was recovered. Subsequently a diary written by the
suspect was alert indicated by the dog. The diary had written extracts that the
offender had laid the victim on the carpet whilst dead, the diary had in fact
been written by the suspect having handled the body. This was confirmed by
the offender in interview.
Was Cuddlecat the only object "Cadaver Hands" touched in the apartment then?  Not the light switches, not the door handles, not the furniture, not the torn sticker book, not the clothes he was wearing, not the phones he was using, etc etc etc...?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: mercury on February 24, 2016, 11:17:52 PM
Eddie barked at it because cadaver hands fetched it and put it on the bed. I want to see all those photos of Madeleine with her precious cat.

No photos but there was a sister website to the original bringmadeleinehome website called cuddlecat.co.uk

Always found that odd up and running so early when no one in the world had any idea what the toy was called and even if they did, why would they google it to find a site dedicated to finding Madeleine?

Eg say when Ben Needham went missing (pretend the Internet was what it is today) we read in the paper his fave toy was thomasthetank, would you google thomasthetank to find news? Iyswim



Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: pathfinder73 on February 24, 2016, 11:25:34 PM
Was Cuddlecat the only object "Cadaver Hands" touched in the apartment then?  Not the light switches, not the door handles, not the furniture, not the torn sticker book, not the clothes he was wearing, not the phones he was using, etc etc etc...?

"The dog has also been trained to identify cadaver scent contamination where
there is no physically retrievable evidence, due to scent adhering to pervious
material such as carpet or the upholstery in motor vehicles." MG

That includes CC.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 24, 2016, 11:33:35 PM

As if the phantom child stealer would strike again.

Shades of horses and stable doors springs to mind.

Russell put his kids in the creche the day after, but hung around outside, he didn't go far away. Luckily they were both together at the Tapas site that day;

The kids at some stage here got put into the crèche and for a fair amount of the morning was spent in there, you know, we, we certainly didn’t really feel like being away from them for too long”......I rang T** W********  from the balcony of the crèche and, you know, had quite a long conversation with him explaining what had happened”.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 25, 2016, 12:50:27 AM
From a source who knows MG.

I asked Martin why Eddie did not alert to cuddle cat when he first encountered the toy and his response was this, and I quote:

"Eddie was given a cuddly toy as a reward in training so reverted to puppy mode. His initial reaction in playing with the toy was not unusual at all."

LOL ... there is no such thing as a VRD dog reacting in a working situation by salivating all over evidence and throwing it into further contamination unless it is way over the hill and not fit for purpose.

That the GNR dogs compromised the crime scene by casting hair was not their fault ... dogs cast and that is that it was for the handlers or senior officer at the scene to consider. 
If however Eddie's trained response when detecting cadaver odour was to bark ... he was way way out of line when he either picked up objects in his mouth to toss around as he did in the garage or as in the example of Cuddle Cat.

Had there been recoverable forensic evidence in the first instance it would have at the least been contaminated or destroyed by the dog picking it up in his mouth

Read the alleged quote more carefully.

"Reward" ... "training" ... "reverted???"

Dogs, even domestic animals, are trained when they are given a reward to condition them. 
For example  to enable safely crossing a busy road the "stay!" or "sit!" command is used and rewarded by being given a treat when the lesson is obeyed.

If that sequence of training is ignored and the animal reverts to an initial puppy mode when encountering traffic ... I am afraid at the least the result will be one very flattened dog or at the worst a serious RTA.

Then I don't think Ms Hopkins knew enough about Eddie and Cuddle Cat to think along those lines and cares even less ... she is just checking the lexicon for the buzz words, Cuddle Cat being just an example.

One has to earn a living by pandering to one's target audience after all ... she's used a couple of 'controversial' points to keep the pot on the boil ... there are plenty more where those came from and the readers' responses to them well rehearsed.
While in the real world people are just getting on with their own lives not spamming hate on others.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 25, 2016, 12:52:00 AM
Eddie didn't alert to the toy for blood. It was a cadaver alert like he did in another case where he alerted to the suspects diary who wrote in it after he had handled a body.

Cornwall, UK
A woman was reported missing by her partner. A search of the suspects
house by the EVRD was conducted who indicated on the living room carpet.
No forensic evidence was recovered. Subsequently a diary written by the
suspect was alert indicated by the dog. The diary had written extracts that the
offender had laid the victim on the carpet whilst dead, the diary had in fact
been written by the suspect having handled the body. This was confirmed by
the offender in interview.

Why are you turning this into yet another dog thread?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 25, 2016, 02:36:44 AM

Back On Topic.  And please don't respond to Insults.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: pegasus on February 25, 2016, 03:14:17 AM
that is the point on which she may well be sued
Wouldn't it be the paper that would be sued not the journo davel?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 25, 2016, 03:41:27 AM
Wouldn't it be the paper that would be sued not the journo davel?

That's how I see it, Pegasus.  The Daily Mail allows comments.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: pegasus on February 25, 2016, 04:04:15 AM
That's how I see it, Pegasus.  The Daily Mail allows comments.
Yep I doubt any competent lawyer would advise suing a journo rather than the paper.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 25, 2016, 04:29:36 AM
Yep I doubt any competent lawyer would advise suing a journo rather than the paper.

However, the comments are moderated.  And it's always possible that there is a clause in her contract that holds her responsible for her views.
She has been a little less controversial since she began writing her regular column, until now, so she might get away with a correction of her mistakes.
Despite popular opinion, The McCanns aren't that interested in the money.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Benice on February 25, 2016, 07:45:55 AM




The reason why she is so scathing is because she thinks CC was washed after only 5 days.  That allegation is completely untrue.

By the time CC was washed weeks later - it no longer resembled the cuddly toy Kate was used to seeing her daughter with.  It was really grubby and smelled of suntan lotion.   Washing it restored it to how it looked when Madeleine played with it.

KH's comments re CC were because she'd got her facts wrong - and her cruel condemnation of Kate emanated from that IMO.    To publically slur someone's character  based on a lie is libellous IMO.   And if it isn't it should be.




where is your proof ...for what you posted....its you who got the facts wrong ...



excuse me ....it's you who got the facts wrong .......where is your proof ...you provide a cite with what you said you are the one calling K H a libellouse not me ....

or are you like the mccs .....what you say goes ....


Still waiting for your cite proving that I got the facts wrong and that Kate washed CC after only 5 days. 

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Benice on February 25, 2016, 08:01:11 AM
So cuddle cat was placed on a ledge? The problem was that there was no ledge in the bedroom.

Kate claiming that CC was placed on a ledge is one of the downright lies about this case which appeared in the press.    What is even more appalling is that it became a myth which years later is still being repeated  by some sceptics as evidence that Kate lied.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 25, 2016, 08:02:23 AM

Still waiting for your cite proving that I got the facts wrong and that Kate washed CC after only 5 days.


i will take Eleanor advice ...and not reply to insults ...be thankful you got a reply.......
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 25, 2016, 08:10:16 AM

i will take Eleanor advice ...and not reply to insults ...be thankful you got a reply.......
IMO you should delete your lie or be given a warning for spreading false information, but I don't suppose either of these things will happen...
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 25, 2016, 08:12:15 AM
No photos but there was a sister website to the original bringmadeleinehome website called cuddlecat.co.uk

Always found that odd up and running so early when no one in the world had any idea what the toy was called and even if they did, why would they google it to find a site dedicated to finding Madeleine?

Eg say when Ben Needham went missing (pretend the Internet was what it is today) we read in the paper his fave toy was thomasthetank, would you google thomasthetank to find news? Iyswim

If you put cuddlecat.co.uk into Wayback, the Find Madeleine website comes up. It was linked to the website from the early days, although it doesn't actually exist now. Perhaps they thought in the early days that people would like to buy a cuddle cat, but abandoned that idea. Googling it now brings up Gerry's blog.

DAY 26 - 29/05/2007
4th- OFFICIAL WEBSITE REGISTERED AS
www.cuddlecat.org.uk - LINKED TO
www.cuddlecat.co.uk - LINKED TO
www.findmadeleine.com - LINKED TO
www.bringmadeleinehome.com

DAY 23 6/05/2007
3rd - OFFICIAL WEBSITE REGISTERED AS
www.cuddlecat.co.uk   - LINKED TO
www.findmadeleine.com  - LINKED TO
www.bringmadeleinehome.com 
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/DAYS_1_to_50.htm
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 25, 2016, 08:15:00 AM
If you put cuddlecat.co.uk into Wayback, the Find Madeleine website comes up. It was linked to the website from the early days, although it doesn't actually exist now. Perhaps they thought in the early days that people would like to buy a cuddle cat, but abandoned that idea. Googling it now brings up Gerry's blog.

DAY 26 - 29/05/2007
4th- OFFICIAL WEBSITE REGISTERED AS
www.cuddlecat.org.uk - LINKED TO
www.cuddlecat.co.uk - LINKED TO
www.findmadeleine.com - LINKED TO
www.bringmadeleinehome.com

DAY 23 6/05/2007
3rd - OFFICIAL WEBSITE REGISTERED AS
www.cuddlecat.co.uk   - LINKED TO
www.findmadeleine.com  - LINKED TO
www.bringmadeleinehome.com 
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/DAYS_1_to_50.htm
more idle (with an undercurrent of spite) speculation.  Nice.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Benice on February 25, 2016, 08:18:29 AM

i will take Eleanor advice ...and not reply to insults ...be thankful you got a reply.......

I have not insulted you in any way.   

You claimed as a fact that Kate washed CC after 5 days. 

It's against forum rules to make claims which you cannot  support. 

Asking you to provide the evidence or withdraw your claim -  (which IMO is libellous as it intentionally casts a slur on Kate McCann's character by implying that she was cold and unfeeling) - is not unreasonable.

 
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: xtina on February 25, 2016, 08:21:11 AM
CC.....was no more than a prop...

if it was so sentimental to k mcc ....why did she flaunt it all over the place ...

according to k mcc it was the last thing maddie held...yet she flaunted it for the world to see...

cc should have been the last personal attachment to maddie ....but she used it as a ploy

have we ever seen it since she came back.........has she still got it

when cc was washed ...it became just another toy ....probably now just left some where ...just the same as she left maddie
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 25, 2016, 08:31:53 AM
I have not insulted you in any way.   

You claimed as a fact that Kate washed CC after 5 days. 

It's against forum rules to make claims which you cannot  support. 

Asking you to provide the evidence or withdraw your claim -  (which IMO is libellous as it intentionally casts a slur on Kate McCann's character by implying that she was cold and unfeeling) - is not unreasonable.

 

It was those nasty journalists at the Mirror who started it;

Kate washed the Cuddle Cat five days after Madeleine went missing saying it was smeared with sand and sun cream.

Gerry's sister Philomena said it was cleaned again two months ago because it was filthy after being carried around.
Sunday Mirror report, 13 September 2007
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id60.html
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2016, 08:59:53 AM
CC.....was no more than a prop...

if it was so sentimental to k mcc ....why did she flaunt it all over the place ...

according to k mcc it was the last thing maddie held...yet she flaunted it for the world to see...

cc should have been the last personal attachment to maddie ....but she used it as a ploy

have we ever seen it since she came back.........has she still got it

when cc was washed ...it became just another toy ....probably now just left some where ...just the same as she left maddie

an extremely unreal interpretation imo.....
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 25, 2016, 09:01:35 AM
It was those nasty journalists at the Mirror who started it;

Kate washed the Cuddle Cat five days after Madeleine went missing saying it was smeared with sand and sun cream.

Gerry's sister Philomena said it was cleaned again two months ago because it was filthy after being carried around.
Sunday Mirror report, 13 September 2007
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id60.html

Ah yes, the xenophobic home of the sardine munchers brigade.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 25, 2016, 09:04:17 AM
GONCALO AMARAL ON CUDDLE CAT

From his book:

These first observations are not the only ones that lead us to consider a set-up. The way the bed sheets were arranged but also the child's soft toy equally raise doubts.

- Do you see how the sheets are lying? You'd think the child got out by herself....or that she didn't sleep there.

- Someone could have unintentionally touched the curtains while looking for the little girl inside the apartment.

- And the soft toy she slept with? That's not in a natural position either. How would she have found it, along the pillow like that?

- The mother says that the soft toy was beside the pillow when she noticed the disappearance, which, according to her, was its usual place.

- Which means that the little girl slept without holding it? Children normally clutch their security object to fall asleep. But if that's not the case, the way it's placed doesn't seem natural. She would inevitably have moved it turning over in her sleep.



C C was just another P R ploy.....it meant nothing to k mc ....it would have been kept private a personal thing ..for her and maddie  ,...not flaunted about...to get filthy and stinking ....according to her ...it was the last thing maddie held ....

Rubbish,   not all children clutch their toy to go to sleep,   some just like them at the side of them,  sometimes a whole row of them.    Madeleine CC was at the side of her pillow if she needed it.   
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 25, 2016, 09:13:09 AM
CC.....was no more than a prop...

if it was so sentimental to k mcc ....why did she flaunt it all over the place ...

according to k mcc it was the last thing maddie held...yet she flaunted it for the world to see...

cc should have been the last personal attachment to maddie ....but she used it as a ploy

have we ever seen it since she came back.........has she still got it

when cc was washed ...it became just another toy ....probably now just left some where ...just the same as she left maddie
Whatever happened to Cuddlecat?  Perhaps we could start a subforum to find out, and then strive to seek justice for the poor malodrous abandoned wee toy.
Honestly, some people need to get a grip...
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Benice on February 25, 2016, 09:15:37 AM
It was those nasty journalists at the Mirror who started it;

Kate washed the Cuddle Cat five days after Madeleine went missing saying it was smeared with sand and sun cream.

Gerry's sister Philomena said it was cleaned again two months ago because it was filthy after being carried around.
Sunday Mirror report, 13 September 2007
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id60.html

Actually I do blame the journalists.  So much of what was printed in the press in 2007 was downright lies and sensationalised fabricated claims.   Many of which are still bandied about today as 'facts'.

The claim made is that Kate washed CC only 5 days after she disappeared.   I do not believe that - and there is no evidence that she did - but there is evidence that she didn't. 

One journalist's claims were made months later and from 'a source' - whereas another is obviously from a first hand observation by the reporter after 5 days - when she/he saw that CC was grubby and had not been washed.

Philomena says that CC was washed again in July- and I have no doubt that he was also washed before that - but not after only 5 days.


Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 25, 2016, 09:16:54 AM
Whatever happened to Cuddlecat?  Perhaps we could start a subforum to find out, and then strive to seek justice for the poor malodrous abandoned wee toy.
Honestly, some people need to get a grip...

Kate said when she went running she had a photo of Madeleine in her hand,  gripping it,  so if CC was a prop why didn't she clutch it when she ran?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 25, 2016, 09:30:15 AM
could someone tell me what the significance of washing cuddlecat is....does it prove Kate never really cared about Maddie...total rubbish
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Brietta on February 25, 2016, 01:45:54 PM
If the mother thought it was potential evidence then she could have handed it in for testing instead of destroying any by washing. After handling the body CC was placed on the bed. Eddie could have checked the pink blanket also placed on the bed but it disappeared.

Not even Ms Hopkins said anything about 'handling the body' ... particularly as she is of the opinion Madeleine was abducted.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Carana on February 25, 2016, 01:46:34 PM




An amazing amount of "details" were invented or based on someone's cousin's sister-in-law's hairdresser. The tabloid hacks wered under immense pressure to produce something, ANYTHING (true or false), by the afternoon copy deadline... or they could have lost their jobs.

Some of the "details" will have been innocent misunderstandings, others last-minute inventions, yet others aimed at currying / retaining favour with the PJ or the PT press with "connections".

There was no PJ press service to speak of, and LP was well aware of the so-called "judicial secrecy" laws. The result was that the vacuum was filled anyway.

I would have thought that so-called "researchers" would have understood the context of the media frenzy and taken it into account. However, this doesn't appear to be the case as they keep rehashing early media myths as fact.

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 26, 2016, 12:29:58 PM
The headline is simply staggering.

The irony of which is beyond redemption.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6958292/McCann-and-Coral-Jones-receive-award-for-dedication-to-missing-kids.html
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 26, 2016, 12:40:55 PM

Please stick within the boundaries of The Topic or posts will be deleted.

Perhaps it might be better to move your post elsewhere, Stephen.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 26, 2016, 12:42:18 PM
Please stick within the boundaries of The Topic or posts will be deleted.

Perhaps it might be better to move your post elsewhere, Stephen.

I will try to start a new thread on this Eleanor.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 26, 2016, 12:49:38 PM
I will try to start a new thread on this Eleanor.

Thank You, Stephen.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Vicky on February 26, 2016, 04:14:26 PM
This is the first time in a long time I have seen someone in the mainstream media actually criticizing the McCanns. Shame it has to be Hopkins as I cannot stand the woman and in the past she has expressed some pretty horrendous views, but this article is pretty spot on.

I still have no solid view one way or the other on this whole saga as there is no evidence of anything. The only fact in this case is that Madeleine disappeared from the apartment that she was left in with her baby siblings while the parents had dinner.

People who support them completely seem to be dwindling. By this, I do not mean people who believe in the abduction theory, but those who stuck up for them for EVERYTHING...some people even to this day try to write off the neglectful parenting as something that could happen to anyone. Sorry no, noone who genuinely loved their child would not leave them in that kind of position.  It takes a special kind of person (and that is not a compliment) to leave 3 babies in an unlocked apartment alone in a foreign country just so they could have some adult time. Especially after palming the kids off on the creche for the whole holiday too. I still to this day do not understandably why...if this group wanted an adult holiday, they did not arrange childcare at home (maybe the kids could stay with granny, if money was an issue) and go as an adult group.

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 26, 2016, 04:16:45 PM
This is the first time in a long time I have seen someone in the mainstream media actually criticizing the McCanns. Shame it has to be Hopkins as I cannot stand the woman and in the past she has expressed some pretty horrendous views, but this article is pretty spot on.

I still have no solid view one way or the other on this whole saga as there is no evidence of anything. The only fact in this case is that Madeleine disappeared from the apartment that she was left in with her baby siblings while the parents had dinner.

People who support them completely seem to be dwindling. By this, I do not mean people who believe in the abduction theory, but those who stuck up for them for EVERYTHING...some people even to this day try to write off the neglectful parenting as something that could happen to anyone. Sorry no, noone who genuinely loved their child would not leave them in that kind of position.  It takes a special kind of person (and that is not a compliment) to leave 3 babies in an unlocked apartment alone in a foreign country just so they could have some adult time. Especially after palming the kids off on the creche for the whole holiday too. I still to this day do not understandably why...if this group wanted an adult holiday, they did not arrange childcare at home (maybe the kids could stay with granny, if money was an issue) and go as an adult group.

I don't accept that the McCanns didn't love their children and think it is a ridiculous thing to say
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Vicky on February 26, 2016, 04:19:24 PM
I think at that point they were too selfish to love them and treat them right. Things may have changed now.

No parent who loves their child would leave them in such a dangerous position just so they could go out with friends.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 26, 2016, 04:26:52 PM
I don't accept that the McCanns didn't love their children and think it is a ridiculous thing to say

Do you have anything that demonstrates this love? There's a few things that suggest a desire to get away from them as much as possible.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 26, 2016, 04:31:16 PM
Do you have anything that demonstrates this love? There's a few things that suggest a desire to get away from them as much as possible.

I think it is a bizarre suggestion that the McCanns didn't love their children...totally bizarre
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Vicky on February 26, 2016, 04:39:36 PM
Its not just them. Anyone who leaves their child in such a situation so they can go and have fun.. IMO does not love them.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 26, 2016, 04:43:11 PM
Its not just them. Anyone who leaves their child in such a situation so they can go and have fun.. IMO does not love them.

Well, not as much as they love themselves.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Vicky on February 26, 2016, 04:44:09 PM
Well, not as much as they love themselves.
Yes, this is probably a better way of putting it.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 26, 2016, 05:25:05 PM
I think it is a bizarre suggestion that the McCanns didn't love their children...totally bizarre

You'll be able to give the examples I asked for in that case. The examples of how they showed their love for their children on that holiday. All I can see, as I said, is a desire to get away from them.

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 26, 2016, 05:28:11 PM
You'll be able to give the examples I asked for in that case. The examples of how they showed their love for their children on that holiday. All I can see, as I said, is a desire to get away from them.


totally illogical to suggest the mccanns did not love their children....putting your child in a kiddy club does't mean you don't love them
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 26, 2016, 05:38:41 PM
If the McCanns didn't want to be with their kids on holiday they could have dumped them on family and taken off by themselves.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 26, 2016, 05:41:52 PM

totally illogical to suggest the mccanns did not love their children....putting your child in a kiddy club does't mean you don't love them

You are quick to deny my points but are unable to come up with any to support your position. How (not) unusual.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Vicky on February 26, 2016, 05:43:04 PM
If the McCanns didn't want to be with their kids on holiday they could have dumped them on family and taken off by themselves.
Yes indeed, why did they not do this I wonder? Clearly they (and the other adults on the holiday) valued friends time above family time. So why not arrange for the kids to go to grandmas/aunts/etc and they could have gone on an adults only holiday, without worrying to go to the creche every few hours to pickup/drop off the children, and would have been able to sit and eat a meal on a night without indigestion from getting up to check on the kids every few mins.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 26, 2016, 05:45:14 PM
You are quick to deny my points but are unable to come up with any to support your position. How (not) unusual.

your statement is so ridiculous......How many mothers do you know who do not love their children... I don't know any...as I said it is genetically programmed
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 26, 2016, 05:46:00 PM
Yes indeed, why did they not do this I wonder? Clearly they (and the other adults on the holiday) valued friends time above family time. So why not arrange for the kids to go to grandmas/aunts/etc and they could have gone on an adults only holiday, without worrying to go to the creche every few hours to pickup/drop off the children, and would have been able to sit and eat a meal on a night without indigestion from getting up to check on the kids every few mins.
Maybe it's because they loved their kids and wanted them to have a nice time i. the sun too?  Crazy thought I know!
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 26, 2016, 05:46:15 PM
Yes indeed, why did they not do this I wonder? Clearly they (and the other adults on the holiday) valued friends time above family time. So why not arrange for the kids to go to grandmas/aunts/etc and they could have gone on an adults only holiday, without worrying to go to the creche every few hours to pickup/drop off the children, and would have been able to sit and eat a meal on a night without indigestion from getting up to check on the kids every few mins.

because they loved their children and wanted them with them
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Vicky on February 26, 2016, 05:47:07 PM
Maybe it's because they loved their kids and wanted them to have a nice time i. the sun too?  Crazy thought I know!
But they were in the creche pretty much all day everyday, then alone at night? Thats not a family holiday
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Vicky on February 26, 2016, 05:47:54 PM
because they loved their children and wanted them with them
They weren't with them though..bar an hour or two per day.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: ShiningInLuz on February 26, 2016, 05:48:35 PM
your statement is so ridiculous......How many mothers do you know who do not love their children... I don't know any...as I said it is genetically programmed
How many mothers convicted of infanticide have to be dredged up before you manage to see the truth?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 26, 2016, 05:50:54 PM
Maybe it's because they loved their kids and wanted them to have a nice time i. the sun too?  Crazy thought I know!

Amazing isn't it. It's so dreadful to take your children with you on holiday and use the facilities for children to have fun and share their time with other children, but would be so much better to leave them at home with relatives. Small children would fret at being away from their parents for a whole week, but some seem to think it is much more fretful for them to be apart from their parents for an hour or so.  Strange thinking IMO.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Vicky on February 26, 2016, 05:52:48 PM
Amazing isn't it. It's so dreadful to take your children with you on holiday and use the facilities for children to have fun and share their time with other children, but would be so much better to leave them at home with relatives. Small children would fret at being away from their parents for a whole week, but some seem to think it is much more fretful for them to be apart from their parents for an hour or so.  Strange thinking IMO.
If your plan is to leave the kids unattended in an unlocked apartment next to a large swimming pool and rather dangerous steps and such, then yes. It would be much better to leave them at home with relatives.

The creche part is nothing, until you couple it with also leaving the kids on a nighttime to have more adult fun...
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 26, 2016, 05:53:09 PM
How many mothers convicted of infanticide have to be dredged up before you manage to see the truth?


to see what truth...perhaps YOU dont understand the truth....I would say that many mothers who commit infanticide are mentally disturbed and that the percentage of mothers who do not love their children is absolutely tiny
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 26, 2016, 05:53:30 PM
But they were in the creche pretty much all day everyday, then alone at night? Thats not a family holiday
in you opinion however I think you'll find that their holiday was marketed as a family holiday and that kids clubs and creches exist to cater for families.  You may be one of those parents who can't bear to be separated from their children for more than 10 seconds but not everyone is the same, it doesn't mean the parents don't love and care for their kids.  Where do you stand on working mothers whose kids spend all day in nurseries?  Less in love with their kids than those who spend all day drudging at home for them I bet!
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 26, 2016, 05:54:15 PM
If your plan is to leave the kids unattended in an unlocked apartment next to a large swimming pool and rather dangerous steps and such, then yes. It would be much better to leave them at home with relatives.

The creche part is nothing, until you couple it with also leaving the kids on a nighttime to have more adult fun...


this has already been discussed several years ago
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Vicky on February 26, 2016, 05:57:43 PM
in you opinion however I think you'll find that their holiday was marketed as a family holiday and that kids clubs and creches exist to cater for families.  You may be one of those parents who can't bear to be separated from their children for more than 10 seconds but not everyone is the same, it doesn't mean the parents don't love and care for their kids.  Where do you stand on working mothers whose kids spend all day in nurseries?  Less in love with their kids than those who spend all day drudging at home for them I bet!
OH this is one of those forums then, where if a differing opinion happens things quickly go personal? great :D

My opinion on working mothers is that they do what they have to do to get by. Of course it doesn't mean they love their children any less than non-working parents. Sorry your bet is wrong.

Also I can leave my kids for 10 seconds thanks..have used creche facilities before on holidays. What I have not done is chuck the kids into the creche at all hours imaginable and then put them to bed, leave them alone so I can go out with the adults, not giving a second thought to the babies I am abandoning.

Also, my point about not loving the kids had NOTHING to do with the creche. I simply stated that a parent who would willingly put their child in the position that Madeleine was in that night, IMO does not love their kids as a parent should. Not sure why its been twisted beyond all recognition now but oh well...
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Vicky on February 26, 2016, 05:59:39 PM

this has already been discussed several years ago
Great. I only started reading the forum last night though so as such I am pretty much starting from scratch. I don't mind if people don't answer me as they have been over the point several times before
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 26, 2016, 06:00:56 PM
OH this is one of those forums then, where if a differing opinion happens things quickly go personal? great :D

My opinion on working mothers is that they do what they have to do to get by. Of course it doesn't mean they love their children any less than non-working parents. Sorry your bet is wrong.

Also I can leave my kids for 10 seconds thanks..have used creche facilities before on holidays. What I have not done is chuck the kids into the creche at all hours imaginable and then put them to bed, leave them alone so I can go out with the adults, not giving a second thought to the babies I am abandoning.

Also, my point about not loving the kids had NOTHING to do with the creche. I simply stated that a parent who would willingly put their child in the position that Madeleine was in that night, IMO does not love their kids as a parent should. Not sure why its been twisted beyond all recognition now but oh well...
I understand your opinion ...but that's all it is ...your opinion and has no real value
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Vicky on February 26, 2016, 06:04:42 PM
I understand your opinion ...but that's all it is ...your opinion and has no real value
Yeah, just like everyone elses  @)(++(* Unfortunately all there is to go on this case is opinion, as there is not a jot of evidence for any of the possible theories that have been put forward.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 26, 2016, 06:06:34 PM
OH this is one of those forums then, where if a differing opinion happens things quickly go personal? great :D

My opinion on working mothers is that they do what they have to do to get by. Of course it doesn't mean they love their children any less than non-working parents. Sorry your bet is wrong.

Also I can leave my kids for 10 seconds thanks..have used creche facilities before on holidays. What I have not done is chuck the kids into the creche at all hours imaginable and then put them to bed, leave them alone so I can go out with the adults, not giving a second thought to the babies I am abandoning.

Also, my point about not loving the kids had NOTHING to do with the creche. I simply stated that a parent who would willingly put their child in the position that Madeleine was in that night, IMO does not love their kids as a parent should. Not sure why its been twisted beyond all recognition now but oh well...
How should a parent love their child then?  Do tell us, you seem to be the expert.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 26, 2016, 06:09:08 PM
OH this is one of those forums then, where if a differing opinion happens things quickly go personal? great :D

My opinion on working mothers is that they do what they have to do to get by. Of course it doesn't mean they love their children any less than non-working parents. Sorry your bet is wrong.

Also I can leave my kids for 10 seconds thanks..have used creche facilities before on holidays. What I have not done is chuck the kids into the creche at all hours imaginable and then put them to bed, leave them alone so I can go out with the adults, not giving a second thought to the babies I am abandoning.

Also, my point about not loving the kids had NOTHING to do with the creche. I simply stated that a parent who would willingly put their child in the position that Madeleine was in that night, IMO does not love their kids as a parent should. Not sure why its been twisted beyond all recognition now but oh well...
what about working mothers who don't work to get by but who work because they want to, and enjoy their work and progessing in their career, and who dump their kids in nurseries in order to do so, are they generally less loving than the struggling mums in full time work IYO?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Vicky on February 26, 2016, 06:09:08 PM
How should a parent love their child then?  Do tell us, you seem to be the expert.

One way NOT to love your child though is to purposely put them in harms way and not give a crap about it. Being so selfish that you do not stop to consider what could happen, even after your child tells you they were crying for you when you weren't there the night before. To still leave them alone to go for adult time, is quite disgusting. i can't believe people are arguing that behaving in this way is perfectly fine  @)(++(* @)(++(*

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 26, 2016, 06:10:20 PM
One way NOT to love your child though is to purposely put them in harms way and not give a crap about it. Being so selfish that you do not stop to consider what could happen, even after your child tells you they were crying for you when you weren't there the night before. To still leave them alone to go for adult time, is quite disgusting. i can't believe people are arguing that behaving in this way is perfectly fine  @)(++(* @)(++(*
Who is arguing that?  you seem to be arguing that the McCanns didn't love their kids properly, I am challenging that belief.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Vicky on February 26, 2016, 06:11:40 PM
what about working mothers who don't work to get by but who work because they want to, and enjoy their work and progessing in their career, and who dump their kids in nurseries in order to do so, are they generally less loving than the struggling mums in full time work IYO?
Depends..do they leave their kids alone in a strange and dangerous environment also so they can go out have fun? if so then...they are bad parents. In my opinion...which has been pointed out as if I didnt know..is just my opinion :)

If it helps, the mother who has been in the papers recently for leaving her 2 year old alone to work..and said 2 year old died in a fire, I think the same of her as I think of the McCanns (back then..I do believe they bother with childcare now, having learnt the hard way)
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Vicky on February 26, 2016, 06:12:36 PM
Who is arguing that?  you seem to be arguing that the McCanns didn't love their kids properly, I am challenging that belief.
But my belief is held because they were selfish enough to leave Madeleine in the situation that they did. Nothing to do with creches and childcare.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 26, 2016, 06:12:53 PM
Yeah, just like everyone elses  @)(++(* Unfortunately all there is to go on this case is opinion, as there is not a jot of evidence for any of the possible theories that have been put forward.

there is....and the mccanns have been ruled out by SY
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 26, 2016, 06:14:10 PM
But my belief is held because they were selfish enough to leave Madeleine in the situation that they did. Nothing to do with creches and childcare.
Erm...just now you were berating them for putting them in the kids club all day weren't you?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 26, 2016, 06:15:33 PM
your statement is so ridiculous......How many mothers do you know who do not love their children... I don't know any...as I said it is genetically programmed

You have never heard of those mothers who gaze at their new baby and wait for that rush of maternal love which doesn't arrive then? You have never heard of those mothers who just feel.......nothing? what a sheltered life you must live.

Now, examples of how loving the parents were during the holiday?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Vicky on February 26, 2016, 06:19:11 PM
Erm...just now you were berating them for putting them in the kids club all day weren't you?
When it is coupled with leaving them on their own at night, it hardly adds up to being a family holiday...was more my point. But as with everything else that has been twisted now too

Yes, I said they probably should have left the kids at home if all they wanted was an adult holiday. I come to that conclusion (that they wanted an adult holiday) as they put the kids in the creche all hours, and then left them alone at night so they could go out. I do not think someone who leaves their babies alone in a dangerous position so they can go out and enjoy themselves cares very much about said children. Is this clearer?

I don't know if people actually aren't understanding me or are deliberately trying to twist my words
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 26, 2016, 06:22:42 PM
If your plan is to leave the kids unattended in an unlocked apartment next to a large swimming pool and rather dangerous steps and such, then yes. It would be much better to leave them at home with relatives.

The creche part is nothing, until you couple it with also leaving the kids on a nighttime to have more adult fun...

I assume by "adult fun" you mean having dinner with friends.

As a "loving parent" I would never have left small children with any relative for more than two days, nor would I have ever, ever have gone back to work before my children began school even though we had to make real sacrifices to do so.
So am I a  perfect loving parent?
Do I think that anyone who has made differing choices to be a less than perfect loving parent?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 26, 2016, 06:25:18 PM
When it is coupled with leaving them on their own at night, it hardly adds up to being a family holiday...was more my point. But as with everything else that has been twisted now too

Yes, I said they probably should have left the kids at home if all they wanted was an adult holiday. I come to that conclusion (that they wanted an adult holiday) as they put the kids in the creche all hours, and then left them alone at night so they could go out. I do not think someone who leaves their babies alone in a dangerous position so they can go out and enjoy themselves cares very much about said children. Is this clearer?

I don't know if people actually aren't understanding me or are deliberately trying to twist my words
if the mcCanns really didn't care about their kids they would have taken themselves off out into PdL or further afield to go clubbing and boozing, they demonstrated that they cared about them by checking on them at regular intervals and sitting withing sight of their apartment.  Scoff and jeer at that as much as you like, it chamges nothing.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 26, 2016, 06:26:19 PM
I assume by "adult fun" you mean having dinner with friends.

As a "loving parent" I would never have left small children with any relative for more than two days, nor would I have ever, ever have gone back to work before my children began school even though we had to make real sacrifices to do so.
So am I a  perfect loving parent?
Do I think that anyone who has made differing choices to be a less than perfect loving parent?

I think it went a bit further than that.

There were all those sporty activities laid on for adults as well.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 26, 2016, 06:26:55 PM
When it is coupled with leaving them on their own at night, it hardly adds up to being a family holiday...was more my point. But as with everything else that has been twisted now too

Yes, I said they probably should have left the kids at home if all they wanted was an adult holiday. I come to that conclusion (that they wanted an adult holiday) as they put the kids in the creche all hours, and then left them alone at night so they could go out. I do not think someone who leaves their babies alone in a dangerous position so they can go out and enjoy themselves cares very much about said children. Is this clearer?

I don't know if people actually aren't understanding me or are deliberately trying to twist my words

They understand only too well Vicky, don't worry.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 26, 2016, 06:29:14 PM
You have never heard of those mothers who gaze at their new baby and wait for that rush of maternal love which doesn't arrive then? You have never heard of those mothers who just feel.......nothing? what a sheltered life you must live.

Now, examples of how loving the parents were during the holiday?


Again the vast majority of mothers love their children...the human race would not survive if it didnt...a very smallnumber of mothers do feel nothing....very very very small...probably part of PND... I have had seven children so spent many hours..days...in maternity...more than most no doubt and have only seen love and joy.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 26, 2016, 06:29:32 PM
I think it went a bit further than that.

There were all those sporty activities laid on for adults as well.

What "sporty activities" ?
Is this some code for "adult fun"?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 26, 2016, 06:31:53 PM
if the mcCanns really didn't care about their kids they would have taken themselves off out into PdL or further afield to go clubbing and boozing, they demonstrated that they cared about them by checking on them at regular intervals and sitting withing sight of their apartment.  Scoff and jeer at that as much as you like, it chamges nothing.


exactly...the McCanns wanted a holiday where both children and adults had a good time
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 26, 2016, 06:32:27 PM
What "sporty activities" ?
Is this some code for "adult fun"?

Tennis, sailing, windsurfing - probably some others as well.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Vicky on February 26, 2016, 06:33:36 PM
I assume by "adult fun" you mean having dinner with friends.

As a "loving parent" I would never have left small children with any relative for more than two days, nor would I have ever, ever have gone back to work before my children began school even though we had to make real sacrifices to do so.
So am I a  perfect loving parent?
Do I think that anyone who has made differing choices to be a less than perfect loving parent?
I don't think there is a definition of a loving parent.

Just in my opinion, someone who can leave their children in such a dangerous position with no thought for what may happen (AND the night after one of the children told then they were crying the night before, alone) does not love their child enough to put them first.

Not sure why such a fuss has been made over this to be quite honest. Wish I had never bothered posting in the first place as everything just gets twisted and picked over by the looks of it. Hell I don't even think the parents are guilty of anything bar neglect  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 26, 2016, 06:39:08 PM
They understand only too well Vicky, don't worry.  @)(++(*

No, actually I don't understand. I can understand that people do not agree with their leaving the children in the apartment with regular checks and being in view of the apartments. What I cannot understand is the criticism of the children being in a creche where they could have fun activities and share their time with other children and why some people think it would be better to have left the children with a relative for a week.
Nor do I understand why some have to have set a criteria for love.
Most parents love their children and will do their all for them, some parents may fall short of what others expect but that does not mean those children are not loved.
I could say that because I gave up a salary for eight years to stay with my children thereby having much less money to spend that I loved my children more than others who did not make that sacrifice.
That may be my opinion but is it correct?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 26, 2016, 06:43:48 PM
Depends..do they leave their kids alone in a strange and dangerous environment also so they can go out have fun? if so then...they are bad parents. In my opinion...which has been pointed out as if I didnt know..is just my opinion :)

If it helps, the mother who has been in the papers recently for leaving her 2 year old alone to work..and said 2 year old died in a fire, I think the same of her as I think of the McCanns (back then..I do believe they bother with childcare now, having learnt the hard way)

The McCann's had childcare before their holiday in Portugal,   which makes me tend to believe they were acting out of the norm for them.   

The difference with the child who died in the fire,  the mother went off to work for [I don't know how many hours and I don't know how far away]   the McCann's were minutes away from their apartment and they checked on the children every half hour,  as would a child checking scheme had done before.    I am not saying that I agree that it was ok to leave the children alone,  as I would never have risked it,  but saying that I think they just made a very bad decision a decision all of them made and sadly Madeleine was taken.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 26, 2016, 06:46:05 PM
Tennis, sailing, windsurfing - probably some others as well.

and the drinking in the evenings as well, with the odd bit of food (that's why it is called a tapas) just to keep them going.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 26, 2016, 06:48:04 PM
I don't think there is a definition of a loving parent.

Just in my opinion, someone who can leave their children in such a dangerous position with no thought for what may happen (AND the night after one of the children told then they were crying the night before, alone) does not love their child enough to put them first.

Not sure why such a fuss has been made over this to be quite honest. Wish I had never bothered posting in the first place as everything just gets twisted and picked over by the looks of it. Hell I don't even think the parents are guilty of anything bar neglect  @)(++(*

The McCann's said they couldn't understand what Madeleine meant when she said about her and Sean crying,  Kate McCann slept in the children's bedroom the night before,   so she thought it couldn't have been then she was talking about,  and it was said in a fleeting way,  Madeleine said why didn't you come when Sean and me were crying,  but then went off to play.

I bet they really beat themselves up over that,  it can't be easy knowing that leaving them led to the loss of Madeleine,  I expect they hear those words in their heads all the time,  it must break their hearts.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 26, 2016, 06:49:46 PM
I don't think there is a definition of a loving parent.

Just in my opinion, someone who can leave their children in such a dangerous position with no thought for what may happen (AND the night after one of the children told then they were crying the night before, alone) does not love their child enough to put them first.

Not sure why such a fuss has been made over this to be quite honest. Wish I had never bothered posting in the first place as everything just gets twisted and picked over by the looks of it. Hell I don't even think the parents are guilty of anything bar neglect  @)(++(*



I suppose we have to quantify what is neglect.

Perhaps when one has witnessed, professionally, appalling neglect it does colour one's judgement. Also I have seen many parent's dine in a hotel with their children sleeping in a room quite some distance away.

Also seen parent's drink in a bar while their children run madly round a pool ................French parents, so not Brits this time.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 26, 2016, 06:50:16 PM
and the drinking in the evenings as well, with the odd bit of food (that's why it is called a tapas) just to keep them going.

Well a steak doesn't sound like an odd bit of food to me Stephen,  and they had starters,  are you trying to start another myth to make out the McCann's and friends were just out drinking?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 26, 2016, 06:53:24 PM
Well a steak doesn't sound like an odd bit of food to me Stephen,  and they had starters,  are you trying to start another myth to make out the McCann's and friends were just out drinking?

No Lace.

So do you take 3 or 4 hours to eat a steak, or a few starters ?

and how did you know they had steak ?

Have you been to a tapas ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 26, 2016, 06:54:59 PM


I suppose we have to quantify what is neglect.

Perhaps when one has witnessed, professionally, appalling neglect it does colour one's judgement. Also I have seen many parent's dine in a hotel with their children sleeping in a room quite some distance away.

Also seen parent's drink in a bar while their children run madly round a pool ................French parents, so not Brits this time.

Same hear Erngath,   parents drinking with their small children in the pool,   lying sunbathing with their eyes shut even going to sleep.

Parents letting children lie on air beds in the sea while they sun bathe.    I read an article in the paper about a tiny baby I think about 5 months old, floating out to sea and had to be rescued,  the parents said they forgot about her!!!
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 26, 2016, 06:56:00 PM
No Lace.

So do you take 3 or 4 hours to eat a steak, or a few starters ?

and how did you know they had steak ?

Have you been to a tapas ?

Good grief Stephen haven't you read the statements?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 26, 2016, 06:57:24 PM
Good grief Stephen haven't you read the statements?


How long does it take to eat a steak ?

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Erngath on February 26, 2016, 06:59:05 PM
Same hear Erngath,   parents drinking with their small children in the pool,   lying sunbathing with their eyes shut even going to sleep.

Parents letting children lie on air beds in the sea while they sun bathe.    I read an article in the paper about a tiny baby I think about 5 months old, floating out to sea and had to be rescued,  the parents said they forgot about her!!!

One of the reasons why we holiday in Adults only hotels...........worried about saying that now.......is because I cannot relax when parents are allowing their children to run round a pool while they sun bathe as you say with eyes shut, obviously relying on others to keep an eye on their children
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 26, 2016, 07:04:11 PM
Sorry the baby was 10 months not 5  http://www.headlines-news.com/2015/07/08/18256/baby-floats-out-to-sea-in-turkey-as-parents-sunbathe
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Lace on February 26, 2016, 07:05:51 PM

How long does it take to eat a steak ?

I don't know,   steak, chips, salad, onion rings [I'm feeling hungry now]   about half an hour?   Depends if you are chatting as well or just eating doesn't it.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: jassi on February 26, 2016, 07:06:48 PM

How long does it take to eat a steak ?


Depends how tough it is.  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: stephen25000 on February 26, 2016, 07:11:27 PM

Depends how tough it is.  ?{)(**

Nice one. 8((()*/ 8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: slartibartfast on February 26, 2016, 07:40:44 PM
The McCann's had childcare before their holiday in Portugal,   which makes me tend to believe they were acting out of the norm for them.   


You wonder why some people have children.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: G-Unit on February 26, 2016, 07:57:13 PM

Again the vast majority of mothers love their children...the human race would not survive if it didnt...a very smallnumber of mothers do feel nothing....very very very small...probably part of PND... I have had seven children so spent many hours..days...in maternity...more than most no doubt and have only seen love and joy.

One third of mothers don't fall in love immediately. Most do so later, but not immediately;

Pediatrician and childhood development expert Marshall Klaus estimates that about 30 percent of mothers don't immediately fall in love with their babies
http://consumer.healthday.com/encyclopedia/parenting-31/parenting-health-news-525/falling-in-love-with-your-baby-643058.html

Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Alfred R Jones on February 26, 2016, 10:34:19 PM
I would appreciate it if you refrained from making personal comments about me and my life. You know nothing about me and never will.

One third of mothers don't fall in love immediately. Most do so later, but not immediately;

Pediatrician and childhood development expert Marshall Klaus estimates that about 30 percent of mothers don't immediately fall in love with their babies
http://consumer.healthday.com/encyclopedia/parenting-31/parenting-health-news-525/falling-in-love-with-your-baby-643058.html
that paragraph in full:

Delayed bonding

In some cases, missing out on the birth experience may actually make it easier to bond with a child. Pediatrician and childhood development expert Marshall Klaus estimates that about 30 percent of mothers don't immediately fall in love with their babies, often because the newborn or the birth process wasn't what they expected. Disappointment, stress, or exhaustion can be enough to drown out the powerful hormones of love, but only temporarily. The vast majority of parents grow attached to their babies within the first few months.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Eleanor on February 26, 2016, 10:51:26 PM
that paragraph in full:

Delayed bonding

In some cases, missing out on the birth experience may actually make it easier to bond with a child. Pediatrician and childhood development expert Marshall Klaus estimates that about 30 percent of mothers don't immediately fall in love with their babies, often because the newborn or the birth process wasn't what they expected. Disappointment, stress, or exhaustion can be enough to drown out the powerful hormones of love, but only temporarily. The vast majority of parents grow attached to their babies within the first few months.

I was briefly polaxed.  But it only lasted for half an hour.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: misty on February 26, 2016, 11:07:53 PM
One third of mothers don't fall in love immediately. Most do so later, but not immediately;

Pediatrician and childhood development expert Marshall Klaus estimates that about 30 percent of mothers don't immediately fall in love with their babies
http://consumer.healthday.com/encyclopedia/parenting-31/parenting-health-news-525/falling-in-love-with-your-baby-643058.html

What about the fathers?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins - "I think it's finally time to speak out".
Post by: Mr Gray on February 26, 2016, 11:12:20 PM
One third of mothers don't fall in love immediately. Most do so later, but not immediately;

Pediatrician and childhood development expert Marshall Klaus estimates that about 30 percent of mothers don't immediately fall in love with their babies
http://consumer.healthday.com/encyclopedia/parenting-31/parenting-health-news-525/falling-in-love-with-your-baby-643058.html


this is not a statement by Marshall Klaus but someone elses interpretation of his view...second hand hearsay claptrap