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Title: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on May 28, 2016, 07:56:05 AM
Case Cardinal: Paulo Pereira Cristóvão sentenced to four and a half years

May 27, 2016 - 15:39

Pereira Cristóvão, who faces two more lawsuits, was also sentenced to pay compensation of 40,000 euros to the former football assistant referee Jose Cardinal.


(http://cdn.cmjornal.pt/images/2016-06/img_757x498$2016_06_01_15_14_49_540382.jpg)

The former vice president of Sporting president Paulo Pereira Cristóvão was sentenced Friday to four years and six months in prison, with suspended sentence and probation, under the "Case Cardinal". In the penalty will be discounted 15 months longer satisfied to prison.
Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, who faces two more lawsuits, was also sentenced to pay compensation of 40,000 euros for non-pecuniary damage, the former football assistant referee Jose Cardinal.
The also former Inspector of Judicial Police established a list of referees, assistants and observers with the tax identification number, bank identification number, income, ownership of movable and immovable property and identification of the spouse.

The former vice president of Sporting between March 2011 and June 2012 was also ordered to pay compensation of 500 euros for each of the 35 referees who constituted assistants in the process, which makes a total of 17,500 euros.
The court considered it proven two embezzlement crimes, an illegitimate access and a slanderous denunciation.
Sporting Clube de Portugal was acquitted of any involvement in an attempt to bribe the former referee.
The other defendant in the case, Victor Viegas, a close associate of Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, was acquitted of all crimes he was accused.
The judge in charge of the case ruled that the "evidence is unequivocal." The judge also found that the fault is particularly serious because Pereira Cristóvão was vice president of Sporting at the material time. Pereira Cristovao is also prevented from exercising the activity of sports official.
http://rr.sapo.pt/noticia/55225/caso_cardinal_paulo_pereira_cristovao_condenado_a_quatro_anos_e_meio?utm_source=sapo


Other threads of interest pertaining to Paulo Cristóvão

Ex-PJ detective and Madeleine book author arrested on a series of charges. (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6110.msg224039#msg224039)

Former PJ inspector Paulo Pereira Cristovao arrested for armed robbery. (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6218.msg223684#msg223684)

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Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Alfie on May 28, 2016, 08:30:10 AM
Paulo needn't despair - all he need do is appeal and the verdict is bound to be reversed.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on May 28, 2016, 08:38:19 AM
Paulo needn't despair - all he need do is appeal and the verdict is bound to be reversed.

The background to the case is pretty horrific so I think he got off very lightly indeed.

One can only await with interest to see how the Portuguese Justice System deals with the remaining charges he faces if he is found guilty of them also.
Wonder if they do a version of community service?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on May 28, 2016, 08:45:29 AM
Meanwhile, what has this thread got to do with Madeleine's disappearance ?

Oh I know, b....r all.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Carana on May 28, 2016, 06:23:12 PM
The Portuguese legal system never ceases to intrigue me...
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on May 28, 2016, 06:47:25 PM
Meanwhile, what has this thread got to do with Madeleine's disappearance ?

Oh I know, b....r all.

Not much.  Apart from his bromance with Amaral. 

What's that old saying?  Ah yes, 'A man is known by the company he keeps'
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on May 28, 2016, 07:03:21 PM
Not much.  Apart from his bromance with Amaral. 

What's that old saying?  Ah yes, 'A man is known by the company he keeps'

One evening in October
When I was about one-third sober
And was taking home a load with manly pride
My poor feet began to stutter
So I lay down in the gutter
And a pig came up and lay down by my side

Then we sang "It's All Fair Weather"
And "Good Fellows Get Together"
Till a lady passing by was heard to say
She says, "You can tell a man who boozes
By the company he chooses"
And the pig got up and slowly walked away

Yes, the pig got up and slowly walked away
Slowly walked away, slowly walked away
Yes, the pig got up and he turned and winked at me
As he slowly walked away
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Angelo222 on May 28, 2016, 08:22:17 PM
(http://www.theportugalnews.com/uploads/news/page8_25.jpg)

Former PJ police colleagues Paulo Pereira Cristovão (pictured left) and Gonçalo Amaral, who also authored a book on Madeleine's disappearance (right) pictured outside the Faro Court in 2008.

So Paulo Pereira Cristóvão doesn't have to serve another day in a prison cell, is that the crux of it?

I notice he has been on house arrest after being released from Évora prison fitted with an electronic tag bracelet.

Cristovão also worked on the case involving the disappearance of Joana Cipriano, who was eight when she went missing in 2004 from her mother’s home in Figueira, located between Portimão and Lagos in the Algarve.
He was later accused of being present as his colleagues allegedly extracted a confession from Joana’s mother by resorting to physical violence. Leonor Cipriano signed a confession, but retracted it a day later alleging she had been beaten by police officers. According to police, the bruising on her face was due to her having fallen down a flight of stairs at the police station during the interrogation.
Cristovão was later cleared by a Faro court of any wrong-doing, but resigned from PJ police shortly afterwards.
He also published a book on the disappearance of Joana, of whom there is still no trace.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 28, 2016, 08:23:08 PM
So Paulo Pereira Cristóvão doesn't have to serve a day in a prison cell, is that the crux of it?

the police are protected in a fascist state
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on May 28, 2016, 08:26:10 PM
the police are protected in a fascist state

Get a grip.

Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 28, 2016, 08:27:09 PM
Get a grip.

its been confirmed by SIL
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on May 28, 2016, 08:30:04 PM
its been confirmed by SIL

Portugal is a democracy dave.

Not a fascist state.

Perhaps you need to keep up to date.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 28, 2016, 08:33:10 PM
Portugal is a democracy dave.

Not a fascist state.

Perhaps you need to keep up to date.


portugal unfortunately needs to get up to date and leave its fascist past behind...it is still present
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: ferryman on May 28, 2016, 08:43:57 PM

portugal unfortunately needs to get up to date and leave its fascist past behind...it is still present

This (latest) ruling in the libel trial leaves me (tending) to agree ....
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: ferryman on May 28, 2016, 08:50:34 PM
Case Cardinal: Paulo Pereira Cristóvão sentenced to four and a half years

May 27, 2016 - 15:39

Pereira Cristóvão, who faces two more lawsuits, was also sentenced to pay compensation of 40,000 euros to the former football assistant referee Jose Cardinal.


(http://mediaserver4.rr.pt/newrr/paulo_pereira_cristovao_foto_lusa37359f93.jpg)

The former vice president of Sporting president Paulo Pereira Cristóvão was sentenced Friday to four years and six months in prison, with suspended sentence and probation, under the "Case Cardinal". In the penalty will be discounted 15 months longer satisfied to prison.
Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, who faces two more lawsuits, was also sentenced to pay compensation of 40,000 euros for non-pecuniary damage, the former football assistant referee Jose Cardinal.
The also former Inspector of Judicial Police established a list of referees, assistants and observers with the tax identification number, bank identification number, income, ownership of movable and immovable property and identification of the spouse.

The former vice president of Sporting between March 2011 and June 2012 was also ordered to pay compensation of 500 euros for each of the 35 referees who constituted assistants in the process, which makes a total of 17,500 euros.
The court considered it proven two embezzlement crimes, an illegitimate access and a slanderous denunciation.
Sporting Clube de Portugal was acquitted of any involvement in an attempt to bribe the former referee.
The other defendant in the case, Victor Viegas, a close associate of Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, was acquitted of all crimes he was accused.
The judge in charge of the case ruled that the "evidence is unequivocal." The judge also found that the fault is particularly serious because Pereira Cristóvão was vice president of Sporting at the material time. Pereira Cristovao is also prevented from exercising the activity of sports official.
http://rr.sapo.pt/noticia/55225/caso_cardinal_paulo_pereira_cristovao_condenado_a_quatro_anos_e_meio?utm_source=sapo

Once described by a Portuguese poster in (Portuguese) idiom as: not a rose you sniff ...
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: John on May 28, 2016, 08:51:35 PM
Quite frankly, the other alleged crimes of Paulo Pereira Cristovão which include kidnap and aggravated robbery are dreadful and have caused so much damage to the Portuguese police. According to PJ detectives, these crimes took place in the Greater Lisbon Area and Setúbal to the south, with the assailants often resorting to violence in order to establish where their victims had hidden cash or items of considerable value.

Let's hope he serves time in a real prison if found guilty.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on May 28, 2016, 08:59:34 PM
its been confirmed by SIL
No, it hasn't.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 28, 2016, 09:01:30 PM
No, it hasn't.

you said police get special treatment by the courts
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 28, 2016, 09:04:34 PM
(http://www.theportugalnews.com/uploads/news/page8_25.jpg)

Former PJ police colleagues Paulo Pereira Cristovão (pictured left) and Gonçalo Amaral, who also authored a book on Madeleine's disappearance (right) pictured outside the Faro Court in 2008.

So Paulo Pereira Cristóvão doesn't have to serve another day in a prison cell, is that the crux of it?

I notice he has been on house arrest after being released from Évora prison fitted with an electronic tag bracelet.

Cristovão also worked on the case involving the disappearance of Joana Cipriano, who was eight when she went missing in 2004 from her mother’s home in Figueira, located between Portimão and Lagos in the Algarve.
He was later accused of being present as his colleagues allegedly extracted a confession from Joana’s mother by resorting to physical violence. Leonor Cipriano signed a confession, but retracted it a day later alleging she had been beaten by police officers. According to police, the bruising on her face was due to her having fallen down a flight of stairs at the police station during the interrogation.
Cristovão was later cleared by a Faro court of any wrong-doing, but resigned from PJ police shortly afterwards.
He also published a book on the disappearance of Joana, of whom there is still no trace.

dare i ask what is the source for this...particularly the last paragraph
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on May 28, 2016, 09:56:01 PM
dare i ask what is the source for this...particularly the last paragraph

Metodo3 ?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on May 28, 2016, 10:22:51 PM
you said police get special treatment by the courts
I said, more than once, the following.

Defamation of police officers, assuming it is proved, incur damages 50% above normal.  This applies to a wide range of 'professions' or 'institutions', not just the police.

The laws in determining whether defamation has occurred are no different for anyone in Portugal.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 28, 2016, 10:24:38 PM
I said, more than once, the following.

Defamation of police officers, assuming it is proved, incur damages 50% above normal.  This applies to a wide range of 'professions' or 'institutions', not just the police.

The laws in determining whether defamation has occurred are no different for anyone in Portugal.

so the police get special treatment from the courts

there have been several reports of torture re portugal on the amnesty site...the police do it because they know they can get away with it
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: slartibartfast on May 28, 2016, 10:29:28 PM
so the police get special treatment from the courts

You mean like...

Quote
Where the offence is not so serious as to warrant a whole life order but the seriousness of the offence is particularly high the appropriate starting point is 30 years. The following examples are given:

a) the murder of a police or prison officer in the course of his duty;
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 28, 2016, 10:30:33 PM
You mean like...

#no I dont mean like....  I mean this like...

there have been several reports of torture re portugal on the amnesty site...the police do it because they know they can get away with it
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: slartibartfast on May 28, 2016, 10:31:39 PM
#no I dont mean like

Seems like special treatment.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on May 28, 2016, 10:47:51 PM
#no I dont mean like....  I mean this like...

there have been several reports of torture re portugal on the amnesty site...the police do it because they know they can get away with it
Try saying that in Portugal, and feel free to cough up the extra 50%.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Mr Gray on May 28, 2016, 10:49:38 PM
Try saying that in Portugal, and feel free to cough up the extra 50%.

seems ammaral...the police...can say what he wants
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: ferryman on May 28, 2016, 11:27:27 PM
#no I dont mean like....  I mean this like...

there have been several reports of torture re portugal on the amnesty site...the police do it because they know they can get away with it

In fairness Almeida didn't (quite)  He got a suspended sentence (for bastinado) and continued working as a police officer.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Carana on May 29, 2016, 10:19:57 AM
"Cristovão was later cleared by a Faro court of any wrong-doing, but resigned from PJ police shortly afterwards."

Not quite the full story. He got a 120-day suspension by the PJ watchdog, then got booted.


tvi24.iol.pt/sociedade/paulo-pereira-cristovao/ministra-nega-recurso-a-pereira-cristovao-de-pena-aplicada-pela-pj

Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on May 29, 2016, 10:43:34 AM
Try saying that in Portugal, and feel free to cough up the extra 50%.

What a ghastly relic of the Salazar years.  Hardly a great advert for Portugal, is it.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on May 29, 2016, 10:54:42 AM
To have an additional tarrif as regards public servants and officials as a part of the legal machinery is indefensible.  English law has many many faults but has one outstanding virtue that judges are independent of the state. 
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Carana on May 29, 2016, 11:07:11 AM
What a ghastly relic of the Salazar years.  Hardly a great advert for Portugal, is it.

Hardly seems coherent with the "freedom of speech rules OK" mantra...
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: ferryman on May 29, 2016, 11:08:54 AM
Hardly seems coherent with the "freedom of speech rules OK" mantra...

Indeed.

"Freedom" for tyrants to oppress -- and they do ...
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on May 31, 2016, 12:54:07 PM
The latest chapter in the Paulo Cristovao chapter is due to begin tomorrow. (Wednesday 01 May 2016)

Following on from the Cardinal trial in which he was found guilty of embezzlement, misuse of the club money  and slanderous denunciation, the background to which was all very murky ... but merited only a suspended sentence.

It will be interesting to see the Portuguese Justice System in full operation when dealing with the other criminal allegations made against Paulo Cristovao and his eighteen co-defendants.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on May 31, 2016, 01:04:07 PM
Absolutely nothing to do with the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on May 31, 2016, 02:18:28 PM
Absolutely nothing to do with the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann.

You may think so, and I may think so but putting that aside and the fact that had one of the McCann friends got as much as a parking ticket it would be cyberspace headlines; there is the issue that although Paulo Cristovao did not work on Madeleine's case he chose to write a book about her.
A book in which he "recycles some of the cruellest smears against the McCanns, such as the claim that Gerry did not get sufficiently involved in the children's routines. Such information, it claims, gave the police "an idea how the family functioned".
It also contains details that can have come only from inside the investigation: as a view of PJ thinking, it may well be as authentic an account as has yet been given."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-560696/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html#ixzz4AErW8adY

So in his own way Paulo Christovao actually had a great deal to do with Madeleine McCann and the subsequent manner in which her disappearance was reported.

That makes the character of the man one of great interest and his trials certainly put the spotlight on Portuguese jurisprudence.   


Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on May 31, 2016, 06:22:16 PM
You may think so, and I may think so but putting that aside and the fact that had one of the McCann friends got as much as a parking ticket it would be cyberspace headlines; there is the issue that although Paulo Cristovao did not work on Madeleine's case he chose to write a book about her.
A book in which he "recycles some of the cruellest smears against the McCanns, such as the claim that Gerry did not get sufficiently involved in the children's routines. Such information, it claims, gave the police "an idea how the family functioned".
It also contains details that can have come only from inside the investigation: as a view of PJ thinking, it may well be as authentic an account as has yet been given."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-560696/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html#ixzz4AErW8adY

So in his own way Paulo Christovao actually had a great deal to do with Madeleine McCann and the subsequent manner in which her disappearance was reported.

That makes the character of the man one of great interest and his trials certainly put the spotlight on Portuguese jurisprudence.

This has nothing to do with Madeleine Mccann's disappearance.

That happened before his involvement in the case.



BTW, this post is not goading.

Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on June 01, 2016, 09:21:04 AM
Today will see the start of the trial of Paulo Pereira Cristovao along with a number of other accused.

Cristavao is known to us as a result of his close association with Goncalo Amaral the co-ordinator of the investigation into Madeleine McCann's case.

His newspaper articles at the time of Madeleine's disappearance which helped to 'inform' readers using a 'source close to the investigation, at a time when the Portuguese secrecy laws did not allow such information to be divulged.
One exception being a case like Madeleine's where permission could be requested for a relaxation to allow publicity.

Cristavao also wrote a book about Madeleine McCann's case about which journalist David Rose wrote ...

**snip
It also contains details that can have come only from inside the investigation: as a view of PJ thinking, it may well be as authentic an account as has yet been given.

If so, its conclusions are shocking, among them the view that Madeleine is dead and that if her parents did not kill her physically, they did so by their public campaign to find her.

"The publicity given to her face was her death warrant - that's if she really left that apartment still alive," he writes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-560696/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html#ixzz4AJVtUR8V
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on June 01, 2016, 09:30:36 AM
The indictment details against Pereira Cristóvão


They pointed guns at the head of the victims, almost killed a businessman by strangulation and even tore the floor floor of a house looking for million.

Pretext? They were police and were doing a raid .

The suspects were eventually discovered by PJ : the group had , yes , three policemen in assets, but they were not working . They took advantage of the free time to rob houses with several friends who knew the gym. And not made ​​inadvertently .

Behind , the command, there were those who thought the targets to assault and houses where there were large sums of money.

And those would be , according to the indictment prosecutors, the former vice president of Sporting and former inspector of the PJ , Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, the former leader of Juve Leo , Mustafa , and Celso name drug dealer.

http://observador.pt/especiais/os-detalhes-da-acusacao-contra-pereira-cristovao/
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 01, 2016, 09:54:04 AM
I have asked for the relevance of this thread , and I still have not received an answer.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: John on June 01, 2016, 12:38:55 PM
I have asked for the relevance of this thread , and I still have not received an answer.

The thread is very relevant as it exposes a senior Portuguese police officer who was involved in not only the Madeleine McCann case but that of Leonor Cipriano and Joana.  Paulo Cristóvão has just been convicted after trial and faces further trials in respect of some of the most reprehensible crimes of modern day.  In those circumstances I find this thread very relevant.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 01, 2016, 12:47:08 PM
I have asked for the relevance of this thread , and I still have not received an answer.

He was PJ, a mate of Amarals and he wrote a book about the case. 

So in my view, it is perfectly legitimate to have a thread about him on this forum, and given the number of responses there are clearly quite a few members here who agree.  If you really do not like it, then it is not compulsory either to read or contribute to this thread. 
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: John on June 01, 2016, 01:02:52 PM
One might consider reading these other threads pertaining to Paulo Cristóvão...

Ex-PJ detective and Madeleine book author arrested on a series of charges. (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6110.msg224039#msg224039)

Former PJ inspector Paulo Pereira Cristovao arrested for armed robbery. (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6218.msg223684#msg223684)
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on June 01, 2016, 01:23:48 PM
He was PJ, a mate of Amarals and he wrote a book about the case. 

So in my view, it is perfectly legitimate to have a thread about him on this forum, and given the number of responses there are clearly quite a few members here who agree.  If you really do not like it, then it is not compulsory either to read or contribute to this thread.

I think it is possible that Paolo Cristovao had a great deal of influence on the public perception of Madeleine's parents.  He became a ubiquitous pundit on the inquiry into Madeleine's disappearance; he wrote newspaper articles on Madeleine's case and he wrote a book on Madeleine's case.  The book was probably the primary source of the "five dead bodies contact at work" myth as well as others.

Cristovao was one of those who set the tone at the time particularly as his word carried the weight of his connections with former colleagues from the PJ ~ a highly respected organisation.
Unfortunately what was overlooked by the public and those who broadcast his opinions, was his inglorious departure from the PJ.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 01, 2016, 01:51:49 PM
I think it is possible that Paolo Cristovao had a great deal of influence on the public perception of Madeleine's parents.  I think it equally possible on the other hand that he didn't. His book equally possibly had no relevance to the "five dead bodies" story or indeed any other story you care to think of. There is no way of measuring this so you pays yer money yer takes yer pick.

I doubt his inglorious departure was overlooked rather unremarked by most.
So we have another bent cop story together with imaginary causal links.
It may be right it may be wrong. Don't lay your purse on it either way.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 01, 2016, 01:55:45 PM
I think it is possible that Paolo Cristovao had a great deal of influence on the public perception of Madeleine's parents.  I think it equally possible on the other hand that he didn't. His book equally possibly had no relevance to the "five dead bodies" story or indeed any other story you care to think of. There is no way of measuring this so you pays yer money yer takes yer pick.

I doubt his inglorious departure was overlooked rather unremarked by most.
So we have another bent cop story together with imaginary causal links.
It may be right it may be wrong. Don't lay your purse on it either way.

Thank you for your words of wisdom on the subject.   
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 01, 2016, 02:03:38 PM
I find it odd if other policemen working closely with christoveo didnt know what he was up to
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 01, 2016, 02:15:13 PM
Thank you for your words of wisdom on the subject.   

Well I don't know either way J-P. but I am prepared to be convinced by anyone who has pukkah gen than does not incorporate too much in the way of "I fink" "I fought" "imo" "well it must be" and "anyone with any intelligence".
Just the facts on which I can base an opinion.
It's yer actual trinity man Wackford Squeers, Joe Friday and Alice Purjorick ?{)(**
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 01, 2016, 02:35:41 PM
I have asked for the relevance of this thread , and I still have not received an answer.

By the same token you could ask what is the relevance of the Cipriano thread given the girl was murdered?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 01, 2016, 02:37:46 PM
I find it odd if other policemen working closely with christoveo didnt know what he was up to

What makes you think that?  Cristovao is a particularly nasty piece of work by all accounts, I hope the Portuguese do the right thing and lock him up permanently.  In the meantime he has got off lightly with his 4½ year home detention, his leg tag should keep him out of trouble at least for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 01, 2016, 02:42:27 PM
Well I don't know either way J-P. but I am prepared to be convinced by anyone who has pukkah gen than does not incorporate too much in the way of "I fink" "I fought" "imo" "well it must be" and "anyone with any intelligence".
Just the facts on which I can base an opinion.
It's yer actual trinity man Wackford Squeers, Joe Friday and Alice Purjorick ?{)(**

Ah well its pukkah gen that is a bit elusive. 

But it does appear that, as regards the subject of this thread, we "know"

He was employed by the P.J.

He wrote a book about Madeleine's disappearance.

He has been convicted by a court of some wrongdoing,

He has three other cases coming up this week.

So "I fink" he is a worthy (sic) subject for discussion. 

I do wonder why it is that many of the sceptics on this forum are convinced of the criminality of the McCanns and their friends, whilst it seems the sceptics heros are those who have fallen foul of the law - Amaral, Cristóvão, Tavares, even Bennett.  Bad luck I suppose.   

PS Your trinity man unaccountable leaves out Rosencrantz and Guildenstern
 
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 01, 2016, 02:48:01 PM
The Portuguese must really be proud of their senior police officers in the Algarve, such fine upstanding characters.   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on June 01, 2016, 02:54:28 PM
I think it is possible that Paolo Cristovao had a great deal of influence on the public perception of Madeleine's parents.  I think it equally possible on the other hand that he didn't. His book equally possibly had no relevance to the "five dead bodies" story or indeed any other story you care to think of. There is no way of measuring this so you pays yer money yer takes yer pick.

I doubt his inglorious departure was overlooked rather unremarked by most.
So we have another bent cop story together with imaginary causal links.
It may be right it may be wrong. Don't lay your purse on it either way.

There is little doubt that Paulo Cristovao is a corrupt man who got his marching orders from the PJ as a result. 

His exit in disgrace certainly did not interfere with his future careers whether as a businessman, in public life, as a media personality, as a prolific author on crime especially crimes involving missing children.
There can be fewer more prestigious occupations than as vice-president of Sporting Lisbon.

He made it his business to set a seal on the conduct of Madeleine McCann's case while it was ongoing.  Is it any wonder that a man of his proven criminal tendencies (and that is excluding the charges for which he is now under trial) left a powerful legacy which threw so much distrust and suspicion in exactly the direction he chose.

We have seen his methods laid bare in relation to the case involving Sporting ... quite a frightening man.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on June 01, 2016, 03:00:44 PM
The Portuguese must really be proud of their senior police officers in the Algarve, such fine upstanding characters.   @)(++(*

I think they can, Angelo, they have worked these corruption cases excellently which could not have been easy for them particularly if colleagues are involved, and which I think may even have presented an element of danger as well.

There is a lot of money and prestige for the criminals involved.

You will never get rid of all the bad apples ... but they at least have been trying and I think doing very well.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on June 01, 2016, 03:04:41 PM
What makes you think that?  Cristovao is a particularly nasty piece of work by all accounts, I hope the Portuguese do the right thing and lock him up permanently.  In the meantime he has got off lightly with his 4½ year home detention, his leg tag should keep him out of trouble at least for the foreseeable future.

I have seen it said that he is quite a charismatic personality.  Probably by someone who had never been allowed to see his dark side.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 01, 2016, 03:05:23 PM
I think they can, Angelo, they have worked these corruption cases excellently which could not have been easy for them particularly if colleagues are involved, and which I think may even have presented an element of danger as well.

There is a lot of money and prestige for the criminals involved.

You will never get rid of all the bad apples ... but they at least have been trying and I think doing very well.

I think you will find that officers were brought in from Lisbon and other regions to weed out these criminals.  Former colleagues are not permitted to investigate each other.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on June 01, 2016, 03:39:18 PM
Ah well its pukkah gen that is a bit elusive. 

But it does appear that, as regards the subject of this thread, we "know"

He was employed by the P.J.

He wrote a book about Madeleine's disappearance.

He has been convicted by a court of some wrongdoing,

He has three other cases coming up this week.

So "I fink" he is a worthy (sic) subject for discussion. 

I do wonder why it is that many of the sceptics on this forum are convinced of the criminality of the McCanns and their friends, whilst it seems the sceptics heros are those who have fallen foul of the law - Amaral, Cristóvão, Tavares, even Bennett. Bad luck I suppose.   

PS Your trinity man unaccountable leaves out Rosencrantz and Guildenstern
 


1. I didn't say he wasn't. We need to steer well clear of quantum leaps at causal relationships though.
2. Not bad luck; it was because they were bent (ish) caught out tried and sentenced. See qualifier above.
3. My mate Tom told me they are dead. Do you mean he lied and they are alive and kicking ?.
Maybe they are those two nice little old ladies down the road who grow roses, Ms Rosa Krantz and Ms Gilda Stern.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on June 01, 2016, 05:14:16 PM
I think you will find that officers were brought in from Lisbon and other regions to weed out these criminals.  Former colleagues are not permitted to investigate each other.

Still a 'brotherhood' there though.  I take my hat off to the officers tasked with weeding out the criminal element within their ranks other news about their successes against corruption is evidence that there is a real determination in Portugal at the moment to get rid of the old order.

It is interesting that you say teams were brought in from outside.  Bearing in mind that a team was imported from Porto to review Madeleine's case prior to it's Portuguese reopening.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: mercury on June 02, 2016, 12:34:58 AM
Ah well its pukkah gen that is a bit elusive. 

But it does appear that, as regards the subject of this thread, we "know"

He was employed by the P.J.

He wrote a book about Madeleine's disappearance.

He has been convicted by a court of some wrongdoing,

He has three other cases coming up this week.

So "I fink" he is a worthy (sic) subject for discussion. 

I do wonder why it is that many of the sceptics on this forum are convinced of the criminality of the McCanns and their friends, whilst it seems the sceptics heros are those who have fallen foul of the law - Amaral, Cristóvão, Tavares, even Bennett.  Bad luck I suppose.   

PS Your trinity man unaccountable leaves out Rosencrantz and Guildenstern
 

Who are these "many" that are "convinced" and who has your four people as "heros" steady on JP you may be suggesting people support criminal actions there...tut tut, mind you you post was marginally better than those in the recent past that tried to make a connection of minds between peter sutcliffee and " sceptics"
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on June 02, 2016, 12:03:00 PM
Ex Madeleine McCann cop who wrote controversial book claiming toddler's body was dumped at sea goes on trial over violent robberies
Paulo Pereira Cristovao made headlines after writing a book calling for the McCanns to be arrested and claiming the toddler was dead


A FORMER Portuguese cop who claimed Madeleine McCann is dead and her body had been dumped at sea has gone on trial over a string of violent robberies allegedly carried out by criminals posing as police officers.

Paulo Pereira Cristovao, a pal of disgraced ex PJ detective Goncalo Amaral, was accused by a co-defendant of helping to mastermind two of the home raids on the opening day of the trial yesterday.

Nuno Vieira Mendes said he and Pereira Cristovao waited outside both properties while alleged accomplices with false search warrants went in posing as police officers and stole thousands of pounds.

The ex-cop made headlines after writing a book calling for the McCanns to be arrested and claiming the toddler was dead and her body had been dumped at sea.

Pereira Cristovao, who left the PJ after a torture trial Amaral was also implicated in, was arrested last year and accused of marking out wealthy victims for accomplices who tricked their way into homes in police uniform.

Eighteen suspects are now on trial for a string of crimes including membership of a criminal gang, robbery, kidnap, possession of a prohibited weapon and abuse of power, include three police officers and a drugs trafficker.

The 48-year-old has been a constant critic of Kate and Gerry McCann and called for them to be arrested for leaving their children alone in their Algarve holiday apartment after Madeleine vanished in May 3 2007.

He claimed in a 2008 book called The Star of Madeleine that the toddler was dead and her body had been dumped at sea.

His novel - based on the real police investigation which he claimed was hampered by interference from British authorities - ended with two fictional officers gazing out at the Atlantic Ocean following a huge land search.

He mysteriously claimed two of the McCanns’ holiday pals - the so-called Tapas Seven - were “fundamental” to discovering the truth about Madeleine.

The couple’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell called his comments "hurtful and distressing" and accused him of trying to profit from the McCanns’ misfortune.

The ex-cop admitted at the novel’s launch in Portugal: “I am sure Madeleine’s parents will not like the book.”

In a thinly-veiled criticism of Britain’s political involvement in the case, he added: “In their shoes, I’d behave in exactly the same way as they did during the investigation.

“I would defend myself with all the weapons I could use. The difference is that some have more weapons than others.”

Pereira Cristovao wrote his book ahead of his 2009 trial for torturing the mum and uncle of a missing girl into making a false confession while he was still a PJ inspector.

He went on to head Portugal’s association for missing children after being acquitted.

Pal Goncalo Amaral, who recently overturned a libel damages ruling over his best-selling book The Truth of The Lie which the McCanns are appealing, was found guilty of falsifying evidence in the same case.

Joana Cipriano vanished aged eight from Figueira, seven miles from Praia da Luz where Madeleine was staying, in September 2004.

Her mum Leonor and uncle Joao were sentenced to 16 years for murdering her despite their claims they had been tortured into falsely admitting blame.

Judges ruled Leonor had been injured at the PJ station in Faro - where Portuguese police are now helping Scotland Yard detectives probing Madeleine’s disappearance - but could not say how she sustained her wounds.

Pereira Cristovao’s lawyer said after his arrest over the home raids in March 2015 that client confidentiality prevented him from speaking out against many of the “false claims made against him.”

He declined to give evidence at the opening of the high-profile trial yesterday/on Wednesday which is scheduled to resume on June 22.

Last week Pereira Cristovao received a suspended four-and-a-half year prison sentence after being convicted of crimes including embezzlement while he was the vice-president of leading Portuguese football club Sporting.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7188989/Ex-Madeleine-McCann-cop-who-wrote-controversial-book-claiming-toddlers-body-was-dumped-at-sea-goes-on-trial-over-violent-robberies.html
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Montclair on June 02, 2016, 02:24:25 PM
I think it is possible that Paolo Cristovao had a great deal of influence on the public perception of Madeleine's parents.  I think it equally possible on the other hand that he didn't. His book equally possibly had no relevance to the "five dead bodies" story or indeed any other story you care to think of. There is no way of measuring this so you pays yer money yer takes yer pick.

I doubt his inglorious departure was overlooked rather unremarked by most.
So we have another bent cop story together with imaginary causal links.
It may be right it may be wrong. Don't lay your purse on it either way.

IIRC his book did not sell that well, it was badly written and not interesting at all. Hernâni de Carvalho's book was better. His opinion had very little if any influence on what people thought of the McCanns, most people had their minds made up already. He jumped on the bandwagon.

As for being Gonçalo Amaral's pal, they were never friends. They were only colleagues and not even in the same city. GA was in Faro and PPC in Lisbon.

Gonçalo was not convicted of falsifying evidence. He was convicted of false testimony, because he repeated what the other defendents told him what happened with Leonor in his report, as he was not present when the incident occurred. What else was he going to say.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 02, 2016, 03:00:04 PM
IIRC his book did not sell that well, it was badly written and not interesting at all. Hernâni de Carvalho's book was better. His opinion had very little if any influence on what people thought of the McCanns, most people had their minds made up already. He jumped on the bandwagon.

As for being Gonçalo Amaral's pal, they were never friends. They were only colleagues and not even in the same city. GA was in Faro and PPC in Lisbon.

Gonçalo was not convicted of falsifying evidence. He was convicted of false testimony, because he repeated what the other defendents told him what happened with Leonor in his report, as he was not present when the incident occurred. What else was he going to say.

so if someone told me they were at home all night when a murder was committed...and i testified they were at home...that would be ok...no it wouldnt..it would be perverting the course of justice
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on June 02, 2016, 04:14:01 PM
IIRC his book did not sell that well, it was badly written and not interesting at all. Hernâni de Carvalho's book was better. His opinion had very little if any influence on what people thought of the McCanns, most people had their minds made up already. He jumped on the bandwagon.

As for being Gonçalo Amaral's pal, they were never friends. They were only colleagues and not even in the same city. GA was in Faro and PPC in Lisbon.

Gonçalo was not convicted of falsifying evidence. He was convicted of false testimony, because he repeated what the other defendents told him what happened with Leonor in his report, as he was not present when the incident occurred. What else was he going to say.

Just work colleagues who kept in touch after both were retired.
What's the saying ... you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your relations (or work colleagues) ... but you can invite them to your birthday party.

Aragão called the police, 05 October 2009
(http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/gapc.jpg)

Marcos Aragão Correia at that time made an obscene gesture to the guests, who were on the street to make a toast after the fireworks. The lawyer was sitting in a car, with two other occupants, parked in front of the restaurant where the party took place, in Portimão's riverfront area. A witness – who was identified by the PSP – admitted to having threatened the lawyer after seeing him make the obscene gesture. After the threat, the lawyer, who was driving the vehicle, took off in a hurry with the tyres screeching, and returned, minutes later, accompanied by a PSP patrol.

When Gonçalo Amaral and Paulo Pereira Cristóvão (co-accused acquitted in the case of Leonor Cipriano) approached the PSP agents in the middle of the street, Aragão Correia fled running. The CM attempted to contact him yesterday, but he had his mobile phone disconnected.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id281.html

Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 02, 2016, 07:37:14 PM
Just work colleagues who kept in touch after both were retired.
What's the saying ... you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your relations (or work colleagues) ... but you can invite them to your birthday party.

Aragão called the police, 05 October 2009
(http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/gapc.jpg)

Marcos Aragão Correia at that time made an obscene gesture to the guests, who were on the street to make a toast after the fireworks. The lawyer was sitting in a car, with two other occupants, parked in front of the restaurant where the party took place, in Portimão's riverfront area. A witness – who was identified by the PSP – admitted to having threatened the lawyer after seeing him make the obscene gesture. After the threat, the lawyer, who was driving the vehicle, took off in a hurry with the tyres screeching, and returned, minutes later, accompanied by a PSP patrol.

When Gonçalo Amaral and Paulo Pereira Cristóvão (co-accused acquitted in the case of Leonor Cipriano) approached the PSP agents in the middle of the street, Aragão Correia fled running. The CM attempted to contact him yesterday, but he had his mobile phone disconnected.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id281.html

This is  a goading thread IMO. Nothing to do with the dissaperance of Maddie. Since we don't know what happened to Maddie- her parents and their friends set out to leave her alone everynight without telling her and asking her if that is ok.... yes and they are ALL still friends and NEVER talk about what happened. Hmm  nice friends indeed.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Montclair on June 02, 2016, 09:21:55 PM
There were a lot of people at Gonçalo's birthday party and not all of them were close friends. There are always  people who gravitate around famous people so that they can capture some of the spotlight and PPC is that type of person.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 02, 2016, 09:23:37 PM
There were a lot of people at Gonçalo's birthday party and not all of them were close friends. There are always  people who gravitate around famous people so that they can capture some of the spotlight and PPC is that type of person.

AKA hangers on...
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on June 02, 2016, 10:27:04 PM
Maddie book cop goes on trial over violent robberies in Portugal
A FORMER Portuguese cop who angered Madeleine McCann’s parents with a controversial book has gone on trial over a string of violent robberies allegedly perpetrated by criminals posing as police officers.


By Gerard Couzens / Published 2nd June 2016

(http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/594000/620x/UK-520155.jpg)

Paulo Pereira Cristovao, a pal of disgraced ex PJ detective Goncalo Amaral, was accused by a co-defendant of helping to mastermind two of the home raids on the opening day of the trial on Wednesday.

Nuno Vieira Mendes said he and Pereira Cristovao waited outside both properties while alleged accomplices with false search warrants went in posing as police officers and stole thousands of pounds.

He also told a court in Lisbon trying 18 people including the ex police officer that he tried to get him involved in a third operation on the Algarve he described as a "debt collection".

Pereira Cristovao, who left the PJ after a torture trial Amaral was also implicated in, was arrested two years ago and accused of marking out wealthy victims for accomplices who tricked their way into homes in police uniform.

The 18 suspects, on trial for a string of crimes including membership of a criminal gang, robbery, kidnap, possession of a prohibited weapon and abuse of power, include three police officers and a drugs trafficker.

Pereira Cristovao, 48, has been a constant critic of Kate and Gerry McCann and called for them to be arrested for leaving their children alone in their Algarve holiday apartment after Madeleine vanished in May 3 2007.

He claimed in a 2008 book called The Star of Madeleine that the toddler was dead and her body had been dumped at sea.

He mysteriously claimed two of the McCanns' holiday pals - the so-called Tapas Seven - were "fundamental" to discovering the truth about Madeleine.

The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell called his comments "hurtful and distressing" and accused him of trying to profit from the McCanns' misfortune.

Pal Goncalo Amaral, who recently overturned a libel damages ruling over his best-selling book The Truth of The Lie which the McCanns are appealing, was found guilty of falsifying evidence in the same case.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/520155/Madeleine-McCann-cop-trial-violent-robberies-Portugal-controversial-book
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 02, 2016, 10:34:47 PM
Maddie book cop goes on trial over violent robberies in Portugal
A FORMER Portuguese cop who angered Madeleine McCann’s parents with a controversial book has gone on trial over a string of violent robberies allegedly perpetrated by criminals posing as police officers.


By Gerard Couzens / Published 2nd June 2016

(http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/594000/620x/UK-520155.jpg)

Paulo Pereira Cristovao, a pal of disgraced ex PJ detective Goncalo Amaral, was accused by a co-defendant of helping to mastermind two of the home raids on the opening day of the trial on Wednesday.

Nuno Vieira Mendes said he and Pereira Cristovao waited outside both properties while alleged accomplices with false search warrants went in posing as police officers and stole thousands of pounds.

He also told a court in Lisbon trying 18 people including the ex police officer that he tried to get him involved in a third operation on the Algarve he described as a "debt collection".

Pereira Cristovao, who left the PJ after a torture trial Amaral was also implicated in, was arrested two years ago and accused of marking out wealthy victims for accomplices who tricked their way into homes in police uniform.

The 18 suspects, on trial for a string of crimes including membership of a criminal gang, robbery, kidnap, possession of a prohibited weapon and abuse of power, include three police officers and a drugs trafficker.

Pereira Cristovao, 48, has been a constant critic of Kate and Gerry McCann and called for them to be arrested for leaving their children alone in their Algarve holiday apartment after Madeleine vanished in May 3 2007.

He claimed in a 2008 book called The Star of Madeleine that the toddler was dead and her body had been dumped at sea.

He mysteriously claimed two of the McCanns' holiday pals - the so-called Tapas Seven - were "fundamental" to discovering the truth about Madeleine.

The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell called his comments "hurtful and distressing" and accused him of trying to profit from the McCanns' misfortune.

Pal Goncalo Amaral, who recently overturned a libel damages ruling over his best-selling book The Truth of The Lie which the McCanns are appealing, was found guilty of falsifying evidence in the same case.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/520155/Madeleine-McCann-cop-trial-violent-robberies-Portugal-controversial-book

Daily star...nice cute pic of Maddie- sells papers though that is the main thing. unless we dissaprove of people making money out of a young person being missing... do we?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Alfie on June 02, 2016, 10:37:04 PM
IIRC his book did not sell that well, it was badly written and not interesting at all. Hernâni de Carvalho's book was better. His opinion had very little if any influence on what people thought of the McCanns, most people had their minds made up already. He jumped on the bandwagon.

As for being Gonçalo Amaral's pal, they were never friends. They were only colleagues and not even in the same city. GA was in Faro and PPC in Lisbon.

Gonçalo was not convicted of falsifying evidence. He was convicted of false testimony, because he repeated what the other defendents told him what happened with Leonor in his report, as he was not present when the incident occurred. What else was he going to say.
On what basis do you say they were never friends?  Can we have a cite please?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2016, 10:46:01 AM
Posted by portugalpress on June 02, 2016
CR7’s sister gave money to a drug-trafficker, Lisbon court hears


In another bizarre trial involving a former leading PJ police detective and three PSP policemen, a convicted drug trafficker is quoted as having said that a number of Portuguese VIPs have given him money, because they are his “friends” - including the song-belting sister of Cristiano Ronaldo, Kátia Aveiro.

The allegation made by Celso Cota came yesterday, and has failed to elicit any comment either way from Aveiro herself.

The 39-year-old elder sister of Portugal’s football legend has only recently been performing in Madrid on the wings of her brother’s Champions League success.

Meantime, Cota is just one of the defendants sitting in the dock alongside former PJ cop Paulo Cristóvão - a man who left the service years ago to briefly head-up the APCD (association for missing children) before become vice-president of Sporting Football Club.

Last week, in a separate case focusing on his performance at Sporting, Cristóvão was convicted to a total of four-and-a-half years in jail - sentence suspended - for two crimes of embezzlement, the illicit use of Sporting’s property and goods and the crime of ‘illegitimate access’.

He was also ordered to pay €40,000 to a referee he had tried to frame for taking bribes, and €17,500 to a list of others affected by his schemes.

But the current trial is all about armed robberies that took place in and around Lisbon just over two years ago and for which the police involved are accused of wearing their own uniforms to gain access to victims’ homes.

With the welter of evidence said to be against him, Cristóvão may not emerge from this trial with a suspended sentence - but only time will tell.

Yesterday, one of his co-accused denied the robberies, calling them instead “collections” (presumably of monies due).

Juve Leo, whose alias is Mustafa, told the court: “Paulo told me about a collection from a house in Cascais. There was meant to be one million euros in the house. In the end there was only 80,000. He told me half the money would be for him and the other half for whoever went to the house to make the collection. But as it didn’t earn what was expected, Paulo told me he would organise another in a house on Lisbon’s Brazil avenue. In this house, there was no money at all, which left me looking bad in front of the others (meaning, other members of the group). Paulo then told me about another collection in the Algarve, but I didn’t want to hear. I never spoke with him again. I got out completely as the situation was not for me”.

Also apparently out of the situation is another defendant remanded under house arrest who appears, said the presiding judge, to be in “parts unknown for the last 48 hours”.

http://portugalresident.com/cr7%E2%80%99s-sister-gave-money-to-a-drug-trafficker-lisbon-court-hears#sthash.4lscMe9S.mP5XhlGL.dpuf
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 04, 2016, 10:58:06 AM
One get's the impression of here as of guilt by association  with another party.

So who did the Mccann's have dealings with ?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Benice on June 04, 2016, 11:05:15 AM
One get's the impression of here as of guilt by association  with another party.

So who did the Mccann's have dealings with ?

AFAIK - None of the McCanns friends or work colleagues have been arrested and/or charged with any crimes.


Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 04, 2016, 11:07:11 AM
AFAIK - None of the McCanns friends or work colleagues have been arrested and/or charged with any crimes.

Halligen.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Benice on June 04, 2016, 11:42:35 AM
Halligen.

IMO there is no credible comparison because Halligen (unlike Amaral/Cristovao)  was not and never had been a friend or  work colleague of either of the McCanns.   

The McCanns were the victims of Halligen's unlawful activities.  As far as I know Amaral is not a victim of Cristovao's unlawful activities. 

Therefore to claim 'similarities' is a non-starter IMO.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 04, 2016, 11:43:55 AM
IMO there is no credible comparison because Halligen (unlike Amaral/Cristovao)  was not and never had been a friend or  work colleague of either of the McCanns.   

The McCanns were the victims of Halligen's unlawful activities.  As far as I know Amaral is not a victim of Cristovao's unlawful activities. 

Therefore to claim 'similarities' is a non-starter IMO.

IYO.

Not in mine.

The theme on here does imply guilt by association, does it not ?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: mercury on June 04, 2016, 10:29:18 PM
Maddie book cop goes on trial over violent robberies in Portugal
A FORMER Portuguese cop who angered Madeleine McCann’s parents with a controversial book has gone on trial over a string of violent robberies allegedly perpetrated by criminals posing as police officers.


By Gerard Couzens / Published 2nd June 2016

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Paulo Pereira Cristovao, a pal of disgraced ex PJ detective Goncalo Amaral, was accused by a co-defendant of helping to mastermind two of the home raids on the opening day of the trial on Wednesday.

Nuno Vieira Mendes said he and Pereira Cristovao waited outside both properties while alleged accomplices with false search warrants went in posing as police officers and stole thousands of pounds.

He also told a court in Lisbon trying 18 people including the ex police officer that he tried to get him involved in a third operation on the Algarve he described as a "debt collection".

Pereira Cristovao, who left the PJ after a torture trial Amaral was also implicated in, was arrested two years ago and accused of marking out wealthy victims for accomplices who tricked their way into homes in police uniform.

The 18 suspects, on trial for a string of crimes including membership of a criminal gang, robbery, kidnap, possession of a prohibited weapon and abuse of power, include three police officers and a drugs trafficker.

Pereira Cristovao, 48, has been a constant critic of Kate and Gerry McCann and called for them to be arrested for leaving their children alone in their Algarve holiday apartment after Madeleine vanished in May 3 2007.

He claimed in a 2008 book called The Star of Madeleine that the toddler was dead and her body had been dumped at sea.

He mysteriously claimed two of the McCanns' holiday pals - the so-called Tapas Seven - were "fundamental" to discovering the truth about Madeleine.

The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell called his comments "hurtful and distressing" and accused him of trying to profit from the McCanns' misfortune.

Pal Goncalo Amaral, who recently overturned a libel damages ruling over his best-selling book The Truth of The Lie which the McCanns are appealing, was found guilty of falsifying evidence in the same case.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/520155/Madeleine-McCann-cop-trial-violent-robberies-Portugal-controversial-book

I think that last sentence by the Daily Star is wrong. What case?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2016, 11:45:18 PM
I think that last sentence by the Daily Star is wrong. What case?

The Judicial Court of Faro condemned yesterday afternoon, the former coordinator of the Judicial Police (PJ), Goncalo Amaral (now retired) to a year in prison for perjury during the investigation of Joana case
http://www.dn.pt/dossiers/sociedade/caso-joana/noticias/interior/leonor-cipriano-foi-torturada-mas-nao-ha-prova-de-culpados-1241588.html
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: mercury on June 05, 2016, 12:31:53 AM
The Judicial Court of Faro condemned yesterday afternoon, the former coordinator of the Judicial Police (PJ), Goncalo Amaral (now retired) to a year in prison for perjury during the investigation of Joana case
http://www.dn.pt/dossiers/sociedade/caso-joana/noticias/interior/leonor-cipriano-foi-torturada-mas-nao-ha-prova-de-culpados-1241588.html

I know that. What I am asking is why is the Daily Star suggesting GA was found guilty in "the same case"...the article is nothing to do with the Cipriano case
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: misty on June 05, 2016, 12:55:35 AM
I know that. What I am asking is why is the Daily Star suggesting GA was found guilty in "the same case"...the article is nothing to do with the Cipriano case

It's lazy journalism, Mercury. See post #59 for original Sun article. Star reporter has just omitted chunks of it which makes their article erroneous.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2016, 09:01:22 AM
It's lazy journalism, Mercury. See post #59 for original Sun article. Star reporter has just omitted chunks of it which makes their article erroneous.

It is the STAR, Misty.

If you know about the Madeleine and Joana cases it is easy enough to interpret.  I don't think there is any intention to impugn Mr Amaral or to suggest he had anything to do with the post PJ career that Cristivao is alleged to have been involved in and for which he is being tried.
Just lazy cut and paste work.

Perhaps the journalist should have had his sentences ... "Paulo Pereira Cristovao, a pal of disgraced ex PJ detective Goncalo Amaral ... "  and  "Pereira Cristovao, who left the PJ after a torture trial Amaral was also implicated in ... "  a bit closer to his concluding sentence ... "Pal Goncalo Amaral, who recently overturned a libel damages ruling over his best-selling book The Truth of The Lie which the McCanns are appealing, was found guilty of falsifying evidence in the same case." ... without all the chit chat in between.
That would have avoided any confusion about which case was being referred to.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: mercury on June 05, 2016, 10:22:31 PM
It's lazy journalism, Mercury. See post #59 for original Sun article. Star reporter has just omitted chunks of it which makes their article erroneous.

Thanks. But it seems the Sun has made a dogs dinner of it as well, even if it related fhe Cipriano case, IMO clearly trying to link the two, I wouldn't  expect any better, from laziness or deliberateness, so not surprised either way. The purpose was obvious, but no matter, it will not influence anything.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 06, 2016, 08:42:31 AM
Thanks. But it seems the Sun has made a dogs dinner of it as well, even if it related fhe Cipriano case, IMO clearly trying to link the two, I wouldn't  expect any better, from laziness or deliberateness, so not surprised either way. The purpose was obvious, but no matter, it will not influence anything.

Well said Mercury. 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: slartibartfast on June 06, 2016, 09:01:03 AM
It is the STAR, Misty.

If you know about the Madeleine and Joana cases it is easy enough to interpret.  I don't think there is any intention to impugn Mr Amaral or to suggest he had anything to do with the post PJ career that Cristivao is alleged to have been involved in and for which he is being tried.
Just lazy cut and paste work.

Perhaps the journalist should have had his sentences ... "Paulo Pereira Cristovao, a pal of disgraced ex PJ detective Goncalo Amaral ... "  and  "Pereira Cristovao, who left the PJ after a torture trial Amaral was also implicated in ... "  a bit closer to his concluding sentence ... "Pal Goncalo Amaral, who recently overturned a libel damages ruling over his best-selling book The Truth of The Lie which the McCanns are appealing, was found guilty of falsifying evidence in the same case." ... without all the chit chat in between.
That would have avoided any confusion about which case was being referred to.

It appears some are intent on smearing by association anyone involved or linked no matter how distantly to anyone involved in the McCann case.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Benice on June 06, 2016, 10:10:32 AM
It appears some are intent on smearing by association anyone involved or linked no matter how distantly to anyone involved in the McCann case.


Someone who inserted himself into the case by writing a book about Madeleine and who sought to encourage public opinion to be against the McCanns by publicly commenting  on the case, cannot be described as merely  'distantly linked' IMO.   Far from it.

Also any suggestion that he was only 'distantly linked' to Amaral is mega wishful thinking IMO.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Carana on June 06, 2016, 10:41:02 AM
It appears some are intent on smearing by association anyone involved or linked no matter how distantly to anyone involved in the McCann case.

I don't agree with you about Cristovão.

As a somewhat prolific ex-PJ mccannswhatdunnit media commentator and author of a book that appears to be based on garbled PJ leaks wrapped up as fiction, and as someone who got sentenced to a 120-day disciplinary suspension over the Cipriano torture saga, followed by getting kicked out of the PJ, and who has now been convicted of various crimes, with more trials (of even a more serious nature) to follow are bound to interest people who have followed the McCann case.



Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 06, 2016, 10:44:35 AM

I don't agree with you about Cristovão.

As a somewhat prolific ex-PJ mccannswhatdunnit media commentator and author of a book that appears to be based on garbled PJ leaks wrapped up as fiction, and as someone who got sentenced to a 120-day disciplinary suspension over the Cipriano torture saga, followed by getting kicked out of the PJ, and who has now been convicted of various crimes, with more trials (of even a more serious nature) to follow are bound to interest people who have followed the McCann case.

What of over authors/writers who have produced books on the case ?

What involvement did Cristovao have in the mccann case Carana ?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Carana on June 06, 2016, 11:13:26 AM
What of over authors/writers who have produced books on the case ?

What involvement did Cristovao have in the mccann case Carana ?

What I said above.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 06, 2016, 11:16:33 AM
What I said above.

Was he involved in the PJ's investigation of the case Carana ?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Carana on June 06, 2016, 11:22:55 AM
Was he involved in the PJ's investigation of the case Carana ?

Not officially, as far as I know. Your point being?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 06, 2016, 11:25:46 AM
Not officially, as far as I know. Your point being?

Well that is blatantly obvious.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Carana on June 06, 2016, 11:59:51 AM
Well that is blatantly obvious.


I wonder where he got his mangled information from if he wasn't involved in the investigation?

A few extracts (or possibly summaries) here:
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/04/estrela-de-madeleine-by-paulo-pereira.html
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2016, 12:40:58 PM

I wonder where he got his mangled information from if he wasn't involved in the investigation?

A few extracts (or possibly summaries) here:
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/04/estrela-de-madeleine-by-paulo-pereira.html

From a cursory scan of the extracts there are many, many errors and not a lot of information that couldn't have been gleaned from the newspapers.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 06, 2016, 12:41:57 PM
Well that is blatantly obvious.

The attempts to distance christovao from the McCann case, and from Amaral are disable, puzzling and pointless.  Perhaps better to admit that chrisovao was a mate of amarals and was sufficiently involved to write and publish a book on the Madeleine investigation.  This wriggling, whilst amusing, is so unbecoming.   8(0(*
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2016, 12:58:24 PM
The attempts to distance christovao from the McCann case, and from Amaral are disable, puzzling and pointless.  Perhaps better to admit that chrisovao was a mate of amarals and was sufficiently involved to write and publish a book on the Madeleine investigation.  This wriggling, whilst amusing, is so unbecoming.   8(0(*

Have you read the book extracts JP ? Much of what Cristovoa wrote was simply wrong or was already in the public domain. What is unbecoming, and slightly reeks of desperation, is supporters trying to suggest guilt by association every time someone known by Amaral, even slightly, is accused of criminal activities.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on June 06, 2016, 01:26:19 PM
Have you read the book extracts JP ? Much of what Cristovoa wrote was simply wrong or was already in the public domain. What is unbecoming, and slightly reeks of desperation, is supporters trying to suggest guilt by association every time someone known by Amaral, even slightly, is accused of criminal activities.

It is truly dreadful, faith.

Two points - first off Amaral does seem to unlucky in his friends - so many of them seem to find themselves on the wrong side of the law.  Maybe just coincidence.

And secondly if anyone even vaguely associated with the McCanns  received so much as a speeding ticket, certain elements would be all over it and subjecting it to endless scrutiny. I am not sure you can expect criminal convictions of Amaral or his friends to be totally ignored. 
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Lace on June 06, 2016, 02:18:38 PM

I wonder where he got his mangled information from if he wasn't involved in the investigation?

A few extracts (or possibly summaries) here:
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/04/estrela-de-madeleine-by-paulo-pereira.html

Dear god the extracts from his book are appalling,  full of absolute lies,  and this book was published and the public read it!!!
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Alfie on June 06, 2016, 02:29:12 PM
It is truly dreadful, faith.

Two points - first off Amaral does seem to unlucky in his friends - so many of them seem to find themselves on the wrong side of the law.  Maybe just coincidence.

And secondly if anyone even vaguely associated with the McCanns  received so much as a speeding ticket, certain elements would be all over it and subjecting it to endless scrutiny. I am not sure you can expect criminal convictions of Amaral or his friends to be totally ignored.
Can't imagine Faithlilly would be able to contain herself if Summers & Swann were found guilty of fraud / armed robbery / shoplifting / whatever...
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2016, 02:30:36 PM
It is truly dreadful, faith.

Two points - first off Amaral does seem to unlucky in his friends - so many of them seem to find themselves on the wrong side of the law.  Maybe just coincidence.

And secondly if anyone even vaguely associated with the McCanns  received so much as a speeding ticket, certain elements would be all over it and subjecting it to endless scrutiny. I am not sure you can expect criminal convictions of Amaral or his friends to be totally ignored.

Dreadful indeed JP.

Two points - first off the McCanns seem very unlucky in their choice of private investigators - so many of them seem to find themselves on the wrong side of the law. Maybe just coincidence.

And secondly if anyone even vaguely associated with the McCanns received so much as a speeding ticket that would also be irrelevant.

TBH JP I really did think you were better than this childish point scoring.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2016, 02:57:54 PM
Slag Cristovoa as much as you like, he does seems a thoroughly nasty individual but don't pretend that the fact that he was an acquaintance of Amaral tars Amaral with the same brush.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Alfie on June 06, 2016, 03:00:57 PM
Slag Cristovoa as much as you like, he does seems a thoroughly nasty individual but don't pretend that the fact that he was an acquaintance of Amaral tars Amaral with the same brush.

Ever heard the saying you can judge a man by the company he keeps?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2016, 03:05:55 PM
Ever heard the saying you can judge a man by the company he keeps?

So it's not so much clutching at straws but clutching at a cliche ?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Carana on June 06, 2016, 03:11:31 PM
Have you read the book extracts JP ? Much of what Cristovoa wrote was simply wrong or was already in the public domain. What is unbecoming, and slightly reeks of desperation, is supporters trying to suggest guilt by association every time someone known by Amaral, even slightly, is accused of criminal activities.

Some of the garbled "facts" do appear to have been already leaked in the media under Amaral's watch, e.g., the 12 (sic) bottles of wine, which was Sol's somewhat misleading "scoop" back in June 07 or whenever it was.

I wonder where he got the details of the dog alerts from?  &%+((£
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2016, 03:20:05 PM
Some of the garbled "facts" do appear to have been already leaked in the media under Amaral's watch, e.g., the 12 (sic) bottles of wine, which was Sol's somewhat misleading "scoop" back in June 07 or whenever it was.

I wonder where he got the details of the dog alerts from?  &%+((£

If the number of bottles of wine consumed was wrong isn't it possible that it was simply made up by the newspaper and wasn't a 'leak' at all ?

As to the dog alerts we'd first have to find out if Crisovoa's book was published after September 2007.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Alfie on June 06, 2016, 03:26:35 PM
So it's not so much clutching at straws but clutching at a cliche ?
It's a proverb actually, like the pot calling the kettle black, or you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.  Nuggets of truth neatly encapsulated in a pithy epithet.  Or clichés if you prefer... @)(++(*
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 06, 2016, 03:30:21 PM
The attempts to distance christovao from the McCann case, and from Amaral are disable, puzzling and pointless.  Perhaps better to admit that chrisovao was a mate of amarals and was sufficiently involved to write and publish a book on the Madeleine investigation.  This wriggling, whilst amusing, is so unbecoming.   8(0(*

So that is rather like some mccann supporters, not you jp, relying on the mccann book.

 8(0(*
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2016, 03:30:57 PM
It's a proverb actually, like the pot calling the kettle black, or you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.  Nuggets of truth neatly encapsulated in a pithy epithet.  Or clichés if you prefer... @)(++(*

In the wider sense, as always, you're peddling a cliche.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Carana on June 06, 2016, 03:31:29 PM
Slag Cristovoa as much as you like, he does seems a thoroughly nasty individual but don't pretend that the fact that he was an acquaintance of Amaral tars Amaral with the same brush.

As to Summer and wife I'm more disappointed than critical. Perhaps Tom Mangold simply brought out the literary best in him in a way his wife doesn't ?

I still don't understand what you are referring to, Faith. Could you be a little more explicit?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Alfie on June 06, 2016, 03:32:16 PM
In the wider sense, as always, you're peddling a cliche.
That's just rude.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Carana on June 06, 2016, 03:36:33 PM
If the number of bottles of wine consumed was wrong isn't it possible that it was simply made up by the newspaper and wasn't a 'leak' at all ?

As to the dog alerts we'd first have to find out if Crisovoa's book was published after September 2007.

No, he was busy peddling his book about Joana in Sept 2007.

An interview on his book on the Madeleine case is dated 3 March 2008, in which he states that it took him 5 months to write...

http://www.destak.pt/artigo/8566
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2016, 03:38:30 PM
I still don't understand what you are referring to, Faith. Could you be a little more explicit?


TBH Carana due to the liable laws in this country I think it would be very difficult for any journalist to write a balanced book on the case.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2016, 03:39:57 PM
No, he was busy peddling his book about Joana in Sept 2007.

An interview on his book on the Madeleine case is dated 3 March 2008, in which he states that it took him 5 months to write...

http://www.destak.pt/artigo/8566

I'm sorry Carana I know little about these books. Was the Madeleine book published before the Joana one ?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Carana on June 06, 2016, 03:48:22 PM
I'm sorry Carana I know little about these books. Was the Madeleine book published before the Joana one ?

His book on Joana was published on 4 Sept 2007 (after he appears to have been kicked out of the PJ).

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/sociedade/paulo-pereira-cristovao/ministra-nega-recurso-a-pereira-cristovao-de-pena-aplicada-pela-pj

http://www.rtp.pt/noticias/cultura/a-estrela-de-joana-de-paulo-pereira-nas-bancas_n162378


His book on the Madeleine case was published on 18 March, 2008.

I haven't checked when his promo tour actually started, but from the Destak article (3 March 2008), he states that it took him 5 months to write.


Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2016, 03:54:41 PM
His book on Joana was published on 4 Sept 2007 (after he appears to have been kicked out of the PJ).

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/sociedade/paulo-pereira-cristovao/ministra-nega-recurso-a-pereira-cristovao-de-pena-aplicada-pela-pj

http://www.rtp.pt/noticias/cultura/a-estrela-de-joana-de-paulo-pereira-nas-bancas_n162378


His book on the Madeleine case was published on 18 March, 2008.

I haven't checked when his promo tour actually started, but from the Destak article (3 March 2008), he states that it took him 5 months to write.

Thank you Carana.

So his book on Madeleine was written sometime after September 2007 when the dog information was in the public domain.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2016, 03:55:35 PM
No, he was busy peddling his book about Joana in Sept 2007.

An interview on his book on the Madeleine case is dated 3 March 2008, in which he states that it took him 5 months to write...

http://www.destak.pt/artigo/8566

He says his 'justification' for writing the book "A Estrela de Madeleine" was his desire to defend the reputation of the PJ and the reputation of Portugal.

In my opinion few have dragged the reputation of both through the mud with such vigour and single minded application of criminality than Cristovao.
I refer only to the proven charges against him ... without taking into consideration the heinous crimes of which he stands accused and for which he is currently on trial.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2016, 03:59:40 PM
He says his 'justification' for writing the book "A Estrela de Madeleine" was his desire to defend the reputation of the PJ and the reputation of Portugal.

In my opinion few have dragged the reputation of both through the mud with such vigour and single minded application of criminality than Cristovao.
I refer only to the proven charges against him ... without taking into consideration the heinous crimes of which he stands accused and for which he is currently on trial.

I can't help but agree Brietta.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Carana on June 06, 2016, 04:05:07 PM
TBH Carana due to the liable laws in this country I think it would be very difficult for any journalist to write a balanced book on the case.

Obviously they had to be wary of libel (whoever they were tackling throughout the various chapters).

There was some criticism in the book, but there's a live investigation into a still missing child...

Personally, I found them to have tackled it responsibly, which is more than I can say for numerous other people writing about the case.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Carana on June 06, 2016, 04:07:44 PM
Thank you Carana.

So his book on Madeleine was written sometime after September 2007 when the dog information was in the public domain.

When did the details of the dog alerts in McCann-related areas get leaked?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2016, 04:09:26 PM
When did the details of the dog alerts in McCann-related areas get leaked?

The details were certainly known at the time the McCanns were made arguidos.

This article from the 8th of Sep 2007 mentions the dog alerts.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6983604.stm

[Edited to correct the date of the article]
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: sadie on June 11, 2016, 05:36:37 PM
By the same token you could ask what is the relevance of the Cipriano thread given the girl was murdered?

You say.

No proof what-so-ever that Joana is dead ... just the ramblings of Amaral and Christavao, both of whom are convicted criminals.


To remind you, tortured out stuff is NOT evidence at all. People will say what they are told to say if the pain is too great.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 11, 2016, 05:43:32 PM
You say.

No proof what-so-ever that Joana is dead ... just the ramblings of Amaral and Christavao, both of whom are convicted criminals.


To remind you, tortured out stuff is NOT evidence at all. People will say what they are told to say if the pain is too great.

Wrong thread sadie.

Take it to the Cipriano ones.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: sadie on June 11, 2016, 05:54:15 PM
Wrong thread sadie.

Take it to the Cipriano ones.
You are wrong Stephen

I am correcting a statement that Angelo made on this thread on June 1st @ 02.45.41.

This is the correct thread.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 11, 2016, 06:23:04 PM
You are wrong Stephen

I am correcting a statement that Angelo made on this thread on June 1st @ 02.45.41.

This is the correct thread.

Where is the Cipriano case in the thread title ?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: sadie on June 11, 2016, 06:46:33 PM
Where is the Cipriano case in the thread title ?
As you well know, I am answering an accusation that Angelo made on this thread.

Drop the hassle please.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 11, 2016, 06:48:03 PM
As you well know, I am answering an accusation that Angelo made on this thread.

Drop the hassle please.

Well both of you can take it to the Cipriano thread.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Mr Gray on June 11, 2016, 06:53:30 PM
Well both of you can take it to the Cipriano thread.

Why don't you send angelo a pm telling him to move it
Send one to John too as he introduced the ciprianos case onto this thread
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: stephen25000 on June 11, 2016, 06:56:42 PM
Why don't you send angelo a pm telling him to move it
Send one to John too as he introduced the ciprianos case onto this thread

i DON'T NEED TO.

I have made the comments on here.

How often are we told to move the comments to the appropriate thread ?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on January 30, 2018, 12:05:31 AM
JUSTICE
Repetition of the instruction of the process of Paulo Pereira Cristóvão starts in March
Former inspector of the Judiciary Police and 17 other defendants are accused of violent assaults on residences.

LUSA January 5, 2018, 5:35 p.m.

The Cascais Criminal Investigation Court (TIC) scheduled for March the new investigative phase of the process in which Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, https://www.publico.pt/2017/07/13/sociedade/noticia/tribunal-de-instrucao-de-cascais-decide-sobre-processo-de-paulo-pereira-cristovao-1779051 a former inspector of the Judiciary Police, and 17 other defendants are accused of violent assaults on residences.

In September last year, the Cascais ITC annulled the investigation phase and, consequently, the whole trial that began in June 2016, following the decision of the Supreme Court of Justice declaring the "material incompetence" of the Central Court of Criminal instruction for the completion of the investigation phase, after appeal by the defense of Pereira Cristóvão.

Accordingly, the Cascais ITC marked the repetition of the instruction - an optional phase to prove the prosecution of the Public Prosecutor or the closure of the case - at 9:30 am on March 2 -, on which day seven witnesses are to be examined and the hearing a defendant who has expressed a willingness to speak, explained this Friday to the agency Lusa judicial source. The training debate was scheduled for March 9.

Although the process belongs to the ICT of Cascais, this new phase of investigation, in which it will be decided whether or not the defendants go to trial, will be held in the Court of Sintra due to the high number of defendants.

In September of last year, the ICT of Cascais annulled the previous stage of instruction and, consequently, the trial. "I annul all the evidence produced in the investigation, as well as the instructional debate and the investigation decision, which, consequently, and in the face of a new production of evidence, must inevitably be repeated," said the order of the criminal investigation judge, Cristina Henriques Esteves , to which the agency Lusa had at the time access.

The judgment, also annulled, began in June 2016 at the Central Criminal Instance of Lisbon, but was suspended on 16 February last year by the panel of judges, pending the decision of the Supreme Court of Justice, which would later declare "Material incompetence" of the Central Criminal Investigation Court for the conduct of the investigation phase.

The defense of the former Judicial Police inspector had brought an action to annul the act that declared the investigation phase open, claiming "material incompetence of the Central Criminal Investigation Court" (TCIC) to deal with the crimes in question. The defense stated that this stage should have been carried out by the Court of Criminal Instruction of Cascais.

The appeal reached the Supreme Court of Justice, which declared the TCIC incompetent to carry out the investigation phase and referred the case to the Tribunal da Relação de Lisboa (TRL). The TRL decided, in turn, to send the case back to Judge Carlos Alexandre, of the Central Court of Criminal Investigation, who referred them to the ICC in Cascais. This court annulled the whole process up to the investigation stage, including the trial, and ordered the repetition of the investigation phase.

The Cascais ICT also admitted the requests for the opening of instruction presented by five of the defendants.

The 18 defendants, including three policemen and leone Juve Leo cheerleader Nuno Vieira Mendes, known as Mustafa, respond by criminal association, robbery, kidnapping, possession of a prohibited weapon, abuse of power, violation of domicile by employee and document forgery.

According to the indictment of the Public Prosecutor's Office, Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, a former inspector of the PJ and also a former vice-president of Sporting, two other defendants and the three police gathered information and decided which people and places to assault by the group, namely in the Lisbon area and on the south bank of the Tagus River. The information was then transmitted to the other elements, which formed the operational side of the alleged criminal network.
https://www.publico.pt/2018/01/05/sociedade/noticia/repeticao-da-instrucao-do-processo-de-paulo-pereira-cristovao-arranca-em-marco-1798287
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years
Post by: faithlilly on January 30, 2018, 12:18:23 AM
JUSTICE
Repetition of the instruction of the process of Paulo Pereira Cristóvão starts in March
Former inspector of the Judiciary Police and 17 other defendants are accused of violent assaults on residences.

LUSA January 5, 2018, 5:35 p.m.

The Cascais Criminal Investigation Court (TIC) scheduled for March the new investigative phase of the process in which Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, https://www.publico.pt/2017/07/13/sociedade/noticia/tribunal-de-instrucao-de-cascais-decide-sobre-processo-de-paulo-pereira-cristovao-1779051 a former inspector of the Judiciary Police, and 17 other defendants are accused of violent assaults on residences.

In September last year, the Cascais ITC annulled the investigation phase and, consequently, the whole trial that began in June 2016, following the decision of the Supreme Court of Justice declaring the "material incompetence" of the Central Court of Criminal instruction for the completion of the investigation phase, after appeal by the defense of Pereira Cristóvão.

Accordingly, the Cascais ITC marked the repetition of the instruction - an optional phase to prove the prosecution of the Public Prosecutor or the closure of the case - at 9:30 am on March 2 -, on which day seven witnesses are to be examined and the hearing a defendant who has expressed a willingness to speak, explained this Friday to the agency Lusa judicial source. The training debate was scheduled for March 9.

Although the process belongs to the ICT of Cascais, this new phase of investigation, in which it will be decided whether or not the defendants go to trial, will be held in the Court of Sintra due to the high number of defendants.

In September of last year, the ICT of Cascais annulled the previous stage of instruction and, consequently, the trial. "I annul all the evidence produced in the investigation, as well as the instructional debate and the investigation decision, which, consequently, and in the face of a new production of evidence, must inevitably be repeated," said the order of the criminal investigation judge, Cristina Henriques Esteves , to which the agency Lusa had at the time access.

The judgment, also annulled, began in June 2016 at the Central Criminal Instance of Lisbon, but was suspended on 16 February last year by the panel of judges, pending the decision of the Supreme Court of Justice, which would later declare "Material incompetence" of the Central Criminal Investigation Court for the conduct of the investigation phase.

The defense of the former Judicial Police inspector had brought an action to annul the act that declared the investigation phase open, claiming "material incompetence of the Central Criminal Investigation Court" (TCIC) to deal with the crimes in question. The defense stated that this stage should have been carried out by the Court of Criminal Instruction of Cascais.

The appeal reached the Supreme Court of Justice, which declared the TCIC incompetent to carry out the investigation phase and referred the case to the Tribunal da Relação de Lisboa (TRL). The TRL decided, in turn, to send the case back to Judge Carlos Alexandre, of the Central Court of Criminal Investigation, who referred them to the ICC in Cascais. This court annulled the whole process up to the investigation stage, including the trial, and ordered the repetition of the investigation phase.

The Cascais ICT also admitted the requests for the opening of instruction presented by five of the defendants.

The 18 defendants, including three policemen and leone Juve Leo cheerleader Nuno Vieira Mendes, known as Mustafa, respond by criminal association, robbery, kidnapping, possession of a prohibited weapon, abuse of power, violation of domicile by employee and document forgery.

According to the indictment of the Public Prosecutor's Office, Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, a former inspector of the PJ and also a former vice-president of Sporting, two other defendants and the three police gathered information and decided which people and places to assault by the group, namely in the Lisbon area and on the south bank of the Tagus River. The information was then transmitted to the other elements, which formed the operational side of the alleged criminal network.
https://www.publico.pt/2018/01/05/sociedade/noticia/repeticao-da-instrucao-do-processo-de-paulo-pereira-cristovao-arranca-em-marco-1798287

I'll take Cristovao and I'll raise you this lot :

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/met-police-officer-child-pornography-indecent-images-possess-adam-cox-paedophile-diplomatic-a8058731.html

http://news.met.police.uk/images/guilty-michael-harrington-1086599

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17315764

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/mar/09/metropolitan-police-officer-guilty-assault








Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years
Post by: Brietta on January 30, 2018, 01:08:31 AM
I'll take Cristovao and I'll raise you this lot :

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/met-police-officer-child-pornography-indecent-images-possess-adam-cox-paedophile-diplomatic-a8058731.html

http://news.met.police.uk/images/guilty-michael-harrington-1086599

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17315764

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/mar/09/metropolitan-police-officer-guilty-assault

I'm sure the Portuguese people and the Policia Judiciaria would just love you to take Paulo ... it would protect the former and save the latter a lot of embarrassment by association.
However despite your willingness to take him, that will not be possible.  You may note from the cite I provided that the Portuguese Courts have other plans for him.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2018, 01:43:03 AM
I'm sure the Portuguese people and the Policia Judiciaria would just love you to take Paulo ... it would protect the former and save the latter a lot of embarrassment by association.
However despite your willingness to take him, that will not be possible.  You may note from the cite I provided that the Portuguese Courts have other plans for him.

Karma?  But I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years
Post by: Brietta on January 30, 2018, 09:09:35 AM
Karma?  But I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by PORTUGALPRESS on June 25, 2015
Flamboyant former Sporting FC vice-president admits to being criminal mastermind

His arrest shocked the nation in March - not only for the crimes allegedly involved, but for the fact that Paulo Pereira Cristóvão was a media high-flyer.

A former PJ detective, he went on to be a popular television commentator, president of Portugal’s association of missing children and even vice-president of one of Portugal’s top football clubs.

Thus what would have impelled him to become a ‘spy’ for a criminal gang that posed as policemen to raid VIP homes in and around Lisbon, baffled all and sundry.

But ‘spy’ he appears to have been.

According to news reports this morning, it was Pereira Cristóvão’s admission to being the brains behind at least two of the robberies which led super-judge Carlos Alexandre to deciding to let him leave the country’s now infamous Évora jail on an electronic bracelet.

Unlike fellow inmate former Socialist prime minister José Sócrates - whose disdain for jailbird bling has led him to remain behind bars through the sweltering Alentejo heat - Cristóvão appears to have had no such qualms, and is already reported to be back home in Lisbon.

He is unlikely to be stuck for things to do under house arrest, as he is still involved in another case against him - alleging criminal activities during his time at Sporting.

Cristóvão’s unlikely career includes penning a book centred on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and being accused of torturing the mother of another missing Algarve child, in order to get a confession that she had been involved in the child’s death.

This latter event ended with Pereira Cristóvão and two other PJ colleagues being absolved.

The judicial ruling on the case was itself bizarre: “It is known that the agent of the crime (of torture) was an agent of the PJ but it has not been proved who practised the facts.”

Cristóvão was arrested over these latest allegations suspected of qualified robbery, kidnapping and criminal association. He spent three months in the cramped jail that has been the home of José Sócrates now for more than seven.

natasha.donn@algarveresident.com
http://portugalresident.com/flamboyant-former-sporting-fc-vice-president-admits-to-being-criminal-mastermind


You've got to admit that the guy doesn't lack chutzpah:  he and his associates are charged with some pretty horrific crimes but he could still take time out to comment about Madeleine's case in 2017.
Seems he just can't let it go and it seems some still give him some credibility despite his chequered criminal career.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 30, 2018, 03:33:29 PM
Posted by PORTUGALPRESS on June 25, 2015
Flamboyant former Sporting FC vice-president admits to being criminal mastermind

His arrest shocked the nation in March - not only for the crimes allegedly involved, but for the fact that Paulo Pereira Cristóvão was a media high-flyer.

A former PJ detective, he went on to be a popular television commentator, president of Portugal’s association of missing children and even vice-president of one of Portugal’s top football clubs.

Thus what would have impelled him to become a ‘spy’ for a criminal gang that posed as policemen to raid VIP homes in and around Lisbon, baffled all and sundry.

But ‘spy’ he appears to have been.

According to news reports this morning, it was Pereira Cristóvão’s admission to being the brains behind at least two of the robberies which led super-judge Carlos Alexandre to deciding to let him leave the country’s now infamous Évora jail on an electronic bracelet.

Unlike fellow inmate former Socialist prime minister José Sócrates - whose disdain for jailbird bling has led him to remain behind bars through the sweltering Alentejo heat - Cristóvão appears to have had no such qualms, and is already reported to be back home in Lisbon.

He is unlikely to be stuck for things to do under house arrest, as he is still involved in another case against him - alleging criminal activities during his time at Sporting.

Cristóvão’s unlikely career includes penning a book centred on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and being accused of torturing the mother of another missing Algarve child, in order to get a confession that she had been involved in the child’s death.

This latter event ended with Pereira Cristóvão and two other PJ colleagues being absolved.

The judicial ruling on the case was itself bizarre: “It is known that the agent of the crime (of torture) was an agent of the PJ but it has not been proved who practised the facts.”

Cristóvão was arrested over these latest allegations suspected of qualified robbery, kidnapping and criminal association. He spent three months in the cramped jail that has been the home of José Sócrates now for more than seven.

natasha.donn@algarveresident.com
http://portugalresident.com/flamboyant-former-sporting-fc-vice-president-admits-to-being-criminal-mastermind


You've got to admit that the guy doesn't lack chutzpah:  he and his associates are charged with some pretty horrific crimes but he could still take time out to comment about Madeleine's case in 2017.
Seems he just can't let it go and it seems some still give him some credibility despite his chequered criminal career.

It seems like some can't refrain from commenting on him either.
BTW I hear Mafeking has been relieved..... 8(>((
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years
Post by: faithlilly on January 30, 2018, 03:59:24 PM
It seems like some can't refrain from commenting on him either.
BTW I hear Mafeking has been relieved..... 8(>((

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: misty on January 30, 2018, 08:35:03 PM
I'm sure the victims of this gang of thugs are  @)(++(* in the knowledge that the perps are free to carry on robbing until the justice system sorts itself out.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 30, 2018, 09:35:46 PM
I'm sure the victims of this gang of thugs are  @)(++(* in the knowledge that the perps are free to carry on robbing until the justice system sorts itself out.

In most towns in most countries you can get your 'ead kicked in if you know where to go.
It has been like it for my lifetime I don't espect it to change anytime soon.
This is currently in Winchester Crown Court. Not coppers admittedly but I doubt that matters much if you wind up jed.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: misty on January 30, 2018, 09:42:15 PM
In most towns in most countries you can get your 'ead kicked in if you know where to go.
It has been like it for my lifetime I don't espect it to change anytime soon.
This is currently in Winchester Crown Court. Not coppers admittedly but I doubt that matters much if you wind up jed.

You don't expect to be brutally beaten in your own home, Alice, having been targeted as a result of intelligence from a corrupt ex-cop. But yes, the UK has their own "Night Watcher" on the loose right now.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 30, 2018, 09:51:27 PM
You don't expect to be brutally beaten in your own home, Alice, having been targeted as a result of intelligence from a corrupt ex-cop. But yes, the UK has their own "Night Watcher" on the loose right now.

Scary old world innit ?
It's where we live, shit 'appens, learn to live with it and take appropriate action. Learn that it's not just a Portuguese problem........much as some may try to tell us it is.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: misty on January 30, 2018, 10:00:06 PM
Scary old world innit ?
It's where we live, shit 'appens, learn to live with it and take appropriate action. Learn that it's not just a Portuguese problem........much as some may try to tell us it is.

Don't the UK normally remand the more violent type of criminal in custody? I'd hate to think we'd have allowed PPC to wander free & offer football opinion on Sky Sports.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on January 30, 2018, 10:15:30 PM
I'm sure the victims of this gang of thugs are  @)(++(* in the knowledge that the perps are free to carry on robbing until the justice system sorts itself out.

Snip
It is recalled that in the process are also accused of the same crimes three agents of the PSP: Elói Fachada, Luís Conceição and Telma Freitas. They were the group's operatives. They entered armed and uniformed.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6218.msg370676#msg370676

The list of charges against the members of this gang detail heinous crimes.  Using their positions as law enforcement officers being one of the more chilling aspects of their MO.

I find it informative that there are those who make light of the crimes they are accused of and Cristóvão's role in them.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 30, 2018, 10:24:55 PM
Don't the UK normally remand the more violent type of criminal in custody? I'd hate to think we'd have allowed PPC to wander free & offer football opinion on Sky Sports.

Did you watch the programme on the Old Bailey tonight?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: misty on January 30, 2018, 10:32:05 PM
Did you watch the programme on the Old Bailey tonight?

No, Liverpool were playing. Which programme. please, so I can watch it on Catch-up?
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 30, 2018, 11:22:48 PM
No, Liverpool were playing. Which programme. please, so I can watch it on Catch-up?

Channel 5.
It skated gently round the fact that Ruth Ellis also hit an innocent bystander when she loosed off at her boyfriend. I believe it was a ricochet rather than a direct hit.
I say "skated gently around" but really to the point of not even mentioning a circumstance which was very significant in its day.

You're not a Liverpool supporter are you? You can't be all bad then.... @)(++(*
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 30, 2018, 11:41:54 PM
Snip
It is recalled that in the process are also accused of the same crimes three agents of the PSP: Elói Fachada, Luís Conceição and Telma Freitas. They were the group's operatives. They entered armed and uniformed.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6218.msg370676#msg370676

The list of charges against the members of this gang detail heinous crimes.  Using their positions as law enforcement officers being one of the more chilling aspects of their MO.

I find it informative that there are those who make light of the crimes they are accused of and Cristóvão's role in them.

Jolly good. I hope you are able to use that new found piece of knowledge.


Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: Brietta on June 15, 2018, 05:50:53 PM
The saga continues with Misty's post to the forum today ... http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6218.msg467929#msg467929  in my opinion, this one is going to run and run.  We might as well keep all the information together therefore it would be good if Misty could re-post to this thread.

I've got to admit I thought Cristovao was going to wriggle out of this one ... it seems the Portuguese judiciary intend otherwise.
Title: Re: Ex-PJ detective Paulo Pereira Cristóvão guilty and sentenced to 4½ years.
Post by: misty on June 15, 2018, 06:13:49 PM
Here it is, Brietta. There is rather a lot going on at FC Sporting right now as well, where PPC was formerly VP.




https://www.noticiasaominuto.com/pais/1030148/paulo-pereira-cristovao-e-lider-da-juve-leo-voltam-a-julgamento

HÁ 59 MINS POR LUSA

PAÍS JUSTIÇA           (June 15 2018)
One of the 18 defendants has been separated from this process and will be judged for the arrest of a prohibited weapon, but by a singular court.

In the reading of the rules decision, the judge of the Court of Criminal Education (ICT) of Cascais delivered the pronunciation of all the defendants (ie, decided to take them to trial), practically in the same terms of the prosecution of the Prosecutor, Adding that Pereira Christopher was "the mastermind and the architect of the crime."

The procedure had gone back to the optional phase instruction in which a judge decides whether the proceedings proceed to trial-after the Cascais ICT annuls the first instruction, in Following a decision of the Supreme Court of Justice.

The Supreme Court declared the "material incompetence" of the Central Tribunal of Criminal instruction for the realization of the stage of instruction, after appeal of the defense of Paulo Pereira Christopher.

Consequently, the whole trial, which began in June 2016 and took place until February 2017, in the Criminal Central Court of Lisbon, was annulled.

The 18 defendants, among them three policemen and the cheerleader sporting Juve Leo (youth Leo), Nuno Vieira Mendes, known as ' Mustafa ', will respond again by criminal association, theft, kidnapping, possession of prohibited weapon, abuse of power, Domicile violation by employee and document forgery.

According to the prosecution of the prosecutor, Paulo Pereira Kitts (former inspector of the Judicial Police and also former vice-president of Sporting), two other defendants and the three policemen gathered information and decided which people and places to rob By the group, notably in the Lisbon area and on the South bank of the Tagus river in the same region.

The information was then transmitted to the other elements, which comprised the operational aspect of the alleged criminal network.

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