Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on July 20, 2016, 12:58:00 PM
Title: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: John on July 20, 2016, 12:58:00 PM
The subject of Cuddlecat appears to have re-emerged and in particular what would appear to be a myth like so many previously which were started in the tabloid press. The reporter, none other than Lori Campbell, and desdpite never having interviewed Madeleine's parents was claiming that Cuddlecat had been put out of reach while the youngster slept, a claim which is not supported by Kate McCann in her book about her missing daughter.
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Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 20, 2016, 01:55:18 PM
The first reference to CC in Kate's book is on page 90 where it describes Madeleine Beth McCann (MBM) being put to bed with the CC beside her.
On facebook they were saying her uncle had bought her a new one New Cuddle Cat (NCC) for her 4th birthday so let us assume that is so. I feel Kate is being very honest in her memory so there definitely was a CC beside her that night.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 20, 2016, 03:50:57 PM
The first reference to CC in Kate's book is on page 90 where it describes Madeleine Beth McCann (MBM) being put to bed with the CC beside her.
On facebook they were saying her uncle had bought her a new one New Cuddle Cat (NCC) for her 4th birthday so let us assume that is so. I feel Kate is being very honest in her memory so there definitely was a CC beside her that night.
You mean you have no evidence...I'm gobsmacked and there was me thinking you had made a breakthough. As for Cuddlecat MkII, since Maddie never got to celebrate her fourth birthday it is logical to assume she never saw her new friend.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: John on July 20, 2016, 06:32:42 PM
Had Madeleine received a new Cuddlecat I'm quite sure two would have featured in this story but as it is, only one Cuddlecat takes centre stage.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: misty on July 20, 2016, 07:09:24 PM
Anyone think that the bottom frame of the mirror is wide enough to sit CC on?
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Brietta on July 20, 2016, 07:37:49 PM
Please provide a cite in support of your sentence attributing the quote to Madeleine's mother. Thank you
Put it this way there is video [ removed as hearsay ] I saw it but I had been watching hundreds of videos everyday for 3 weeks but it was toward the end of that period so it would be possible to trace it through my browser history but a big job. I heard it and I read it so I believe it. It sounds so analytical, just like a doctor does, using small clues helping to make a diagnosis. She has these skills and an amazing memory for detail.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 20, 2016, 08:09:37 PM
Please provide a cite in support of your sentence attributing the quote to Madeleine's mother. Thank you
Are you being unfair for some one said that CC had the smell of MBM on it, and that is only published in a tabloid. Did you delete that statement as well? I can find many quotes in the tabloids where Kate says this about the CC being on a shelf or ledge out of reach.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: John on July 20, 2016, 08:25:45 PM
From Madeleine by Kate McCann
* Gerry came through to say goodnight. We helped Sean and Amelie give their big sister a ‘night-night’ kiss before laying them in their adjacent travel cots. Then we kissed the twins, and kissed Madeleine, already snuggled down with her ‘princess’ blanket and Cuddle Cat – a soft toy she’d been given soon after she was born and never went to bed without.
* On Madeleine’s bed, the top right-hand corners of the covers were still turned over, forming a triangle. Cuddle Cat and her pink princess blanket were lying where they’d been when we’d kissed her goodnight.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 20, 2016, 08:27:31 PM
Take this report for example the word "reach" is supposed to be used 3 times yet I can't find it, someone has removed it yet Google says it was there. I'm not a computer expert but it sounds mischievously like a cat burgler to me! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/8503610/Kate-McCann-why-didnt-they-believe-her.html
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: misty on July 20, 2016, 08:31:54 PM
I've c&p'd this from another forum so I hope the commenter doesn't mind. It was posted in 2009 in response to an allegation that KM had made the comment in a NOTW exclusive about CC being on the shelf, despite the obligations of Judicial Secrecy. The Mirror link is no longer available.
*snipped* So off I went to trawl the archives for this statement by Kate McCann which is oft alluded to but which no-one really seems to know the source of.
Guess what? I found the article and sure enough, it is by Lori CampbellHere it is:-
Missing Madeleine McCann's favourite pink Cuddle Cat toy was taken from her arms as she slept and placed beyond her reach by her kidnapper. That is why police are certain Madeleine was snatched while she was asleep - and was NOT killed or injured in the holiday apartment But there's a problem. This does not come from an interview with kate McCann. In fact, it states:-
Kate has refused to say where she found the Cuddle Cat toy when she returned to the villa in Praia da Luz at about 10pm to find her daughter's bed empty.
However, it does give the source of the claim that Cuddlecat was found on a shelf out of Madeleine's reach:-
Our police source said: "When Kate tucked Madeleine up in bed earlier in the evening, she had toy tightly in her arms as she did every night. So Kate was terrified when she spotted it had been left in a place too high for her to reach. Kate also noticed the window was wide opened and the shutters jammed up. It was because of these things that she had no doubt Madeleine had been kidnapped and she ran out to scream for help."
I wonder if this was the same police source who claimed that Madeleine's "real" father had been found through the sperm bank and traced to Birmingham where he was subsequently cleared of involvement in her disappearance??? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A corpse, a resurrection, 2 cuddlecats, 2 GM's & the "real" father. Far too complicated for me.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: John on July 20, 2016, 08:39:14 PM
Take this report for example the word "reach" is supposed to be used 3 times yet I can't find it, someone has removed it yet Google says it was there. I'm not a computer expert but it sounds mischievously like a cat burgler to me! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/8503610/Kate-McCann-why-didnt-they-believe-her.html
That is correct, the words "... put out of reach on a top shelf" have been removed from the article since the comment was most probably invented/hearsay in any event. You might not know it but people can ask for online reports to be amended. It happens here all the time so we do our best to comply.
As an example, a lawyer recently asked that his name be removed from a case as his children were being affected. In another, a witness who initially asked for a thread to be created subsequently asked me to archive it as it had proven to be more traumatic than he had first envisaged. The Googlebot picks up these posts and retains them until they are updated.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 20, 2016, 10:32:29 PM
Quote This important evidence could point to the fact that Madeleine was actually taken alive. According to a report in the Sunday Mirror, Kate McCann knew instantly that Madeleine had been abducted when she saw that the toy had been moved from her sleeping daughter's arms and placed on a ledge way beyond the four-year-old's reach. The paper quotes a police source as saying: "When Kate tucked Madeleine up in bed earlier in the evening she had the toy tightly in her arms as she did every night. "So Kate was terrified when she spotted it had been left in a place too high for her to reach. "Kate also noticed the window was wide open and the shutters jammed up. "It was because of these things that she had no doubt Madeleine had been kidnapped and she ran out to scream for help." There was no sign of DNA or fingerprints left on the toy.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-474844/Madeleines-favourite-Cuddle-Cat-toy-placed-reach.html#ixzz4Ez8jSRwK Now it is tempting to think this is all in the same room but it clearly states elsewhere she did a quick search in all the rooms, so this is the summary of her findings to let her come to the conclusion "she had no doubt Madeleine had been kidnapped".
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: mercury on July 20, 2016, 10:32:59 PM
I doubt it, besides, its not exactly a "high shelf" It seems this non story was a fabrication
It just had to be higher than Madeleine could reach. Not that high in other words.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: ferryman on July 20, 2016, 10:41:23 PM
The most important myth (about cuddle-cat) is that Eddie 'scented death' on it; the most important facts, that he played with it, picked it up and tossed it in the air (without reacting) then (after the toy was hidden in a cupboard) 'reacted' (Grime insists!) to the toy.
Oh, and the fact that Grime (apparently) requested that the toy be forensically examined (it never was).
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: mercury on July 20, 2016, 10:42:03 PM
It just had to be higher than Madeleine could reach. Not that high in other words.
Misty asked if the mirror shelf was a possible place that was being referred to, I said it cant be, its too narrow and the chld coukd have reached it easily, there were no high shelves in either bedrooms and apart from lori campbells little story there is nothng else in existence ...ergo a fabricated story
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 20, 2016, 10:46:11 PM
Misty asked if the mirror shelf was a possible place that was being referred to, I said it cant be, its too narrow and the chld coukd have reached it easily, there were no high shelves in either bedrooms and apart from lori campbells little story there is nothng else in existence ...ergo a fabricated story
There were shelves in the wardrobes of the main bedroom that were beyond Madeleines reach.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: mercury on July 20, 2016, 10:48:00 PM
There were shelves in the wardrobes of the main bedroom that were beyond Madeleines reach.
So what? Did anyone ever anywhere apart from campbell state cc was found there? Give it up or present a sensible case for cc beng found anywhere apart frm madeleines bed
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: mercury on July 20, 2016, 11:01:19 PM
Well, you will have to decide for yourself which journalist is lying, which witnesses are lying and why and take it from there....but I failed to see the whole point of the question...so, why does it matter where the stupid toy was found
And if kate mccann found it on a high shelf ie denotng an abductor why has she never said that anywhere ever
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: John on July 20, 2016, 11:24:01 PM
Quote This important evidence could point to the fact that Madeleine was actually taken alive. According to a report in the Sunday Mirror, Kate McCann knew instantly that Madeleine had been abducted when she saw that the toy had been moved from her sleeping daughter's arms and placed on a ledge way beyond the four-year-old's reach. The paper quotes a police source as saying: "When Kate tucked Madeleine up in bed earlier in the evening she had the toy tightly in her arms as she did every night. "So Kate was terrified when she spotted it had been left in a place too high for her to reach. "Kate also noticed the window was wide open and the shutters jammed up. "It was because of these things that she had no doubt Madeleine had been kidnapped and she ran out to scream for help." There was no sign of DNA or fingerprints left on the toy.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-474844/Madeleines-favourite-Cuddle-Cat-toy-placed-reach.html#ixzz4Ez8jSRwK Now it is tempting to think this is all in the same room but it clearly states elsewhere she did a quick search in all the rooms, so this is the summary of her findings to let her come to the conclusion "she had no doubt Madeleine had been kidnapped". [I posted this elsewhere there are 2 threads with similar topics Sorry]
I'm sorry Bob but the Mail was misinformed and as a consequence published a false story...another myth.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 20, 2016, 11:26:40 PM
I dont know her either but I Can google for her email address
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: John on July 20, 2016, 11:38:02 PM
Let's face it, all this little exercise has shown is how reporters can invent stories based on nothing more than hearsay and rumours in an attempt to sell their story at a time when most UK tabloids were paying a premium for Maddie stories.
Wasn't it interesting that the journalist wasn't identified in the Mail version but attributed the original story to the Sunday Mirror?
Let's face it, all this little exercise has shown is how the MSM can invent stories based on nothing more than hearsay and rumours in an attempt to sell a story at a time when most UK tabloids were paying a premium for Maddie stories.
If I find that video of Kate saying this will you believe it then?
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: mercury on July 20, 2016, 11:43:49 PM
Take this report for example the word "reach" is supposed to be used 3 times yet I can't find it, someone has removed it yet Google says it was there. I'm not a computer expert but it sounds mischievously like a cat burgler to me! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/8503610/Kate-McCann-why-didnt-they-believe-her.html
Oh a lot of whooshing, to do with the Mccann case, goes on on the internet.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: sadie on July 21, 2016, 12:58:48 AM
On this forum images have vanished, but have NOT been replaced by vulgar images.
When I was on PFA2 forum, some interloper came in and replaced an image of (IIRC, Joana Cipriano) a named young person with a picture of an exceedingly busty and provocative sleazy looking woman. Skimpy blouse open down the front and one shoulder completely bare, other shoulder has the blouse slippy down.
It was a fairly regular occurence that an interloper came in and (usually subtly) changed the addresses posted for videos, or for websites that were supportive of the posters argument. Thus cheating and preventing the Mccann supporter from getting their point across.
Oh well thanks for lettng us know no images of yours here were replaced by vulgar ones, but just that they "disappeared? somehow...well that would only be if your post was deleted, simple enough, it happens to all of us, getting posts deleted unless you wanna accuse for the forum owners of deleting your pics intentionally cos they prove some hdden truth lollol Gonna watch something nice o n the tv cos had enugh if this conspiracy crap tonight
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Brietta on July 21, 2016, 01:35:57 AM
Oh well thanks for lettng us know no images of yours here were replaced by vulgar ones, but just that they "disappeared? somehow...well that would only be if your post was deleted, simple enough, it happens to all of us, getting posts deleted unless you wanna accuse for the forum owners of deleting your pics intentionally cos they prove some hdden truth lollol Gonna watch something nice o n the tv cos had enugh if this conspiracy crap tonight
If the original has been removed from the internet you won't be able to link to it, Mercury. For example no one can access anything printed in the News of the World, when the title closed all access was denied. Therefore if an item wasn't C&P it is lost. Similarly with photographs and videos ... if they are taken down, you won't be able to access them from a link. Only if you had the foresight to physically copy content will it be reasonably secure: for example ~ Gerry McCann's blog entries were copied by Pamalam.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Admin on July 21, 2016, 01:42:41 AM
If the original has been removed from the internet you won't be able to link to it, Mercury. For example no one can access anything printed in the News of the World, when the title closed all access was denied. Therefore if an item wasn't C&P it is lost. Similarly with photographs and videos ... if they are taken down, you won't be able to access them from a link. Only if you had the foresight to physically copy content will it be reasonably secure: for example ~ Gerry McCann's blog entries were copied by Pamalam.
Without wishing to feed this off topic foray it is inevitable that images which are linked to the internet will in time disappear. If a member wishes an image to be retained on the forum it is best to attach a file.
Images which are uploaded to a file sharing service like Imgur are deleted after a while if they are not accessed and that is why some of the images have disappeared from this forum. No conspiracy I'm afraid.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: sadie on July 21, 2016, 02:03:11 AM
Oh well thanks for lettng us know no images of yours here were replaced by vulgar ones, but just that they "disappeared? somehow...well that would only be if your post was deleted, simple enough, it happens to all of us, getting posts deleted unless you wanna accuse for the forum owners of deleting your pics intentionally cos they prove some hdden truth lollol Gonna watch something nice o n the tv cos had enugh if this conspiracy crap tonight
Of course we all get posts deleted ... and often posts are truncated. That bothers me because when part is missing, it can alter the meaning of the post.
what I dont like is when a post has been passed as OK, and at a much later date, months later, it is cleared out or truncated. None of us can keep a 24/7 watch on all our posts.
Anyway, Nigh night mercury.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 21, 2016, 08:49:22 PM
Is Lori Campbell still working as a journalist?
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: mercury on July 22, 2016, 12:00:59 AM
Cite for what? THere only ever was one sngle reference to a high shelf made by lori cambell, not a sngle mention of it by anyone else ever again....seems pretty positive to me it was nothng based on reality,so Im not sure where your accusation of double standards comes from
And please stop typng you in caps, ad hom attacks are so yesterday
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: sadie on July 22, 2016, 12:36:19 AM
Cite for what? THere only ever was one sngle reference to a high shelf made by lori cambell, not a sngle mention of it by anyone else ever again....seems pretty positive to me it was nothng based on reality,so Im not sure where your accusation of double standards comes from
And please stop typng you in caps, ad hom attacks are so yesterday
Cite for (proof ) that it was a journos (Lori Cambells) invention.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: mercury on July 22, 2016, 12:39:26 AM
LOL, its what lower level journos do all the time Ive given my reasons for deducng it was not factual
Im off now
Nigh night mercury. Sleep well. Watch those B** B**s dont bite you.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: John on July 22, 2016, 05:03:06 PM
I would hazard a guess that Miss Campbell heard a rumour from someone, attributed it to the cops and wrote the story accordingly. The story appeared both in the Sunday Mirror on the 12th August 2007 and also in the Daily Mail which attributed the original article, thus the original claim, to the Mirror.
You can still read both articles here. (http://www.mccannfiles.com/id60.html)
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: misty on July 22, 2016, 06:09:29 PM
It would seem that even our own top ex-detectives weren't adverse to quoting tabloid stories, if the attached is to be believed.
http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/05/where-is-the-high-shelf-in-madeleines-bedroom/ (assume article was originally posted in May 2008 but the comments made by Lord Stevens in NOTW cannot be corroborated at original source)
*snipped* Early reports and many since May 2007 have described how Kate McCann “knew” that Madeleine had been taken. When questioned about this on her Woman’s Hour interview, she declined to elaborate on how she knew that Madeleine had been taken and hadn’t wandered off.
A recurring part of this story is that Madeleine’s favourite toy—CuddleCat—was placed on a high shelf in the room and was therefore out of reach of Madeleine.
Ex Metropolitan Police boss, Lord Stevens said to the News of the World in 2007;
“Meanwhile, the police investigation that started so disastrously has turned to farce. Every apparent stream of evidence has been either missed, fatally compromised or is simply ludicrous.
For instance, Mrs McCann being allowed to hang on to Madeleine’s favourite toy CuddleCat. Consoling for her, of course, but that’s not the point—it had gone to bed with Madeleine, been taken from her and placed on a high shelf, presumably by the abductor.
CuddleCat was therefore vital evidence. Even a rookie detective should know it was highly likely an abductor’s DNA would be on it.”
Lord Stevens’ comments were made in 2007, before the News of the World published the photos in May 2008. Had Lord Stevens looked at the bedroom, he may have had something different to say about it:
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: John on July 22, 2016, 09:39:09 PM
It would seem that even our own top ex-detectives weren't adverse to quoting tabloid stories, if the attached is to be believed.
http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/05/where-is-the-high-shelf-in-madeleines-bedroom/ (assume article was originally posted in May 2008 but the comments made by Lord Stevens in NOTW cannot be corroborated at original source)
*snipped* Early reports and many since May 2007 have described how Kate McCann “knew” that Madeleine had been taken. When questioned about this on her Woman’s Hour interview, she declined to elaborate on how she knew that Madeleine had been taken and hadn’t wandered off.
A recurring part of this story is that Madeleine’s favourite toy—CuddleCat—was placed on a high shelf in the room and was therefore out of reach of Madeleine.
Ex Metropolitan Police boss, Lord Stevens said to the News of the World in 2007;
“Meanwhile, the police investigation that started so disastrously has turned to farce. Every apparent stream of evidence has been either missed, fatally compromised or is simply ludicrous.
For instance, Mrs McCann being allowed to hang on to Madeleine’s favourite toy CuddleCat. Consoling for her, of course, but that’s not the point—it had gone to bed with Madeleine, been taken from her and placed on a high shelf, presumably by the abductor.
CuddleCat was therefore vital evidence. Even a rookie detective should know it was highly likely an abductor’s DNA would be on it.”
Lord Stevens’ comments were made in 2007, before the News of the World published the photos in May 2008. Had Lord Stevens looked at the bedroom, he may have had something different to say about it:
An excellent find misty, clearly there never was any shelf in the room to place any soft toy on so the whole thing was obviously a malicious fabrication. Added to that I can see no possible reason why Kate would have taken the toy away from her while she slept. Good work, I just love it when we bust myths 8((()*/
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: sadie on July 22, 2016, 11:18:43 PM
An excellent find misty, clearly there never was any shelf in the room to place any soft toy on so the whole thing was obviously a malicious fabrication. Added to that I can see no possible reason why Kate would have taken the toy away from her while she slept. Good work, I just love it when we bust myths 8((()*/
There was the top of the wardrobe John. Not a conventional shelf, but with all the translations it could easily have become the shelf in question.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: mercury on July 22, 2016, 11:32:40 PM
From KMs book
When I realized Madeleine wasn’t actually there, I went through to our bedroom to see if she’d got into our bed. That would explain the open door. On the discovery of another empty bed, the first wave of panic hit me. As I ran back into the children’s room the closed curtains flew up in a gust of wind. My heart lurched as I saw now that, behind them, the window was wide open and the shutters on the outside raised all the way up. Nausea, terror, disbelief, fear. Icy fear. Dear God, no! Please,no!
On Madeleine’s bed, the top right-hand corners of the covers were still turned over, forming a triangle. Cuddle Cat and her pink princess blanket were lying where they’d been when we’d kissed her goodnight. I dashed over to the second bed, on the other side of the travel cots where the twins slept on, oblivious, and looked out through the window. I’ve no idea what I expected to see there. **** This is supportd by statements by GM on video saying shed been left sleepng with them there on her bed and were there on his check
Why would they change that insignificant detail to any reporter
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: sadie on July 23, 2016, 12:08:43 AM
When I realized Madeleine wasn’t actually there, I went through to our bedroom to see if she’d got into our bed. That would explain the open door. On the discovery of another empty bed, the first wave of panic hit me. As I ran back into the children’s room the closed curtains flew up in a gust of wind. My heart lurched as I saw now that, behind them, the window was wide open and the shutters on the outside raised all the way up. Nausea, terror, disbelief, fear. Icy fear. Dear God, no! Please,no!
On Madeleine’s bed, the top right-hand corners of the covers were still turned over, forming a triangle. Cuddle Cat and her pink princess blanket were lying where they’d been when we’d kissed her goodnight. I dashed over to the second bed, on the other side of the travel cots where the twins slept on, oblivious, and looked out through the window. I’ve no idea what I expected to see there. **** This is supportd by statements by GM on video saying shed been left sleepng with them there on her bed and were there on his check
Why would they change that insignificant detail to any reporter
Well there you go.
Well done mercury ... you have solved it in one. 8@??)(
No shelf used.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: John on July 23, 2016, 10:43:50 AM
Who is the person you are referring to? I don't think Kate had anything to do with it, but it could be another "she". So did you have someone in mind?
If Cuddlecat had been moved from the children's bedroom to another bedroom and placed out of Madeleine's reach then Kate would have reported it. However, Kate stated from the outset that she found CC where she left him ie on Madeleine's bed.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 24, 2016, 12:55:23 PM
If Cuddlecat had been moved from the children's bedroom to another bedroom and placed out of Madeleine's reach then Kate would have reported it. However, Kate stated from the outset that she found CC where she left him ie on Madeleine's bed.
That bolded bit is definitely in dispute. I have had indications from others who saw the interview with Kate, years ago, where she talks about CC being seen on a high ledge. I am not yet finished replaying selected videos in my browser history. I saw it a few weeks back, but I struggle to find it again. There might be someone checking that this information is always removed off the internet.
There is no logical way that the pink blanket and Cuddle Cat would be entirely hidden under the folded down portion of the blankets when they were beside her when she slept. Who actually found them there?
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: John on July 24, 2016, 12:59:15 PM
That bolded bit is definitely in dispute. I have had indications from others who saw the interview with Kate, years ago, where she talks about CC being seen on a high ledge. I am not yet finished replaying selected videos in my browser history. I saw it a few weeks back, but I struggle to find it again. There might be someone checking that this information is always removed of the internet.
Was that not the dream she had where Madeleine was on a high hill?
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 24, 2016, 01:38:12 PM
Was that not the dream she had where Madeleine was on a high hill?
Gerry denies that Kate had this dream. I would have been happier to hear Kate deny that.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell
Post by: mercury on July 25, 2016, 12:42:24 AM
Argh but then the parents bedroom wardrobe was alerted to, the other room with hgh shelves in the wardrobe Doesnt it all make it so complicated when the dog reacted to the room and cuddle cat but not in the kids room where cuddle cat was found
2016 july 25... Oh...doesnt time go by slowly when people are searchihg for the truth and justice to be done
Ah well, got things to do, nite
8)-)))
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: John on July 25, 2016, 01:56:06 AM
Yet again, the wardrobe units in the children's bedroom of the apartment were of the full height built-in type and were white, they were not a yellowish colour. Identical units were fitted in the children's and parent's bedroom. See below.
Argh but then the parents bedroom wardrobe was alerted to, the other room with hgh shelves in the wardrobe Doesnt it all make it so complicated when the dog reacted to the room and cuddle cat but not in the kids room where cuddle cat was found
2016 july 25... Oh...doesnt time go by slowly when people are searchihg for the truth and justice to be done
Ah well, got things to do, nite
8)-)))
Trying to understand that unusual post which has an underlying truth to it, for it covers another of the many variations that could have occurred and that no one has really thought through.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell
Post by: Brietta on July 25, 2016, 12:49:57 PM
Argh but then the parents bedroom wardrobe was alerted to, the other room with hgh shelves in the wardrobe Doesnt it all make it so complicated when the dog reacted to the room and cuddle cat but not in the kids room where cuddle cat was found
2016 july 25... Oh...doesnt time go by slowly when people are searchihg for the truth and justice to be done
Ah well, got things to do, nite
8)-)))
Witness statement of Kate Marie Healy, on the 4th of May 2007, at 2.20 p.m.
Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went into the bedroom and were put in their beds at around 7.30.
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At around 10pm, the witness came to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed, but unlocked, as already said, and immediately noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.
Faced with this altered situation, she verified that the twins were in their beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. The cover was neatly pulled back and the toys were on the pillow as usual.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id192.html#sta1
Your recollection is mistaken. There is no doubt that Madeleine vanished from her bed in the room she shared with her siblings.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2016, 01:02:53 PM
Witness statement of Kate Marie Healy, on the 4th of May 2007, at 2.20 p.m.
Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went into the bedroom and were put in their beds at around 7.30.
////////////////////////
At around 10pm, the witness came to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed, but unlocked, as already said, and immediately noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.
Faced with this altered situation, she verified that the twins were in their beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. The cover was neatly pulled back and the toys were on the pillow as usual.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id192.html#sta1
Your recollection is mistaken. There is no doubt that Madeleine vanished from her bed in the room she shared with her siblings.
We still have to consider Mercury's idea that Madeleine could have moved herself from one room to the other. All possibilities have to be considered and only thrown out if they become impossible. Moving from one room to another is not impossible.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell
Post by: Brietta on July 25, 2016, 01:58:16 PM
We still have to consider Mercury's idea that Madeleine could have moved herself from one room to the other. All possibilities have to be considered and only thrown out if they become impossible. Moving from one room to another is not impossible.
The problem isn't what bed Madeleine was missing from ... but that she was missing not only from that but from the apartment.
The non-existence of the shelf is provable and a journalist's error ... in my opinion there is no point in introducing another meaningless factoid to the mix and putting words into the mouth of witnesses without giving an appropriate cite.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2016, 02:45:09 PM
@Brietta - How would you prove this: "the non-existence of the shelf .... and a journalist's error"?
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell
Post by: Brietta on July 25, 2016, 05:40:51 PM
@Brietta - How would you prove this: "the non-existence of the shelf .... and a journalist's error"?
I'm sorry Madeleine 8 May 2007 Sunday Mirror Lori Campbell in Praia Da Luz
Clutching the pink Cuddle Cat toy which has been a constant source of comfort to her since it was left lying in Madeleine's bed the night she was taken, Kate says: "I want to tell her we love her very much. She knows we're looking for her, that we're doing absolutely everything and we'll never give up." http://newsoutlines.blogspot.co.uk/2007/05/im-sorry-madeleine.html
Madeleine's favourite 'Cuddle Cat' toy was 'placed out of her reach' Last updated at 15:54 12 August 2007
According to a report in the Sunday Mirror, Kate McCann knew instantly that Madeleine had been abducted when she saw that the toy had been moved from her sleeping daughter's arms and placed on a ledge way beyond the four-year-old's reach. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-474844/Madeleines-favourite-Cuddle-Cat-toy-placed-reach.html#ixzz4FRDhw6UL
Lori Campbell seems to have got it right first time round ... but the journalist who may have lifted her copy from the Sunday Mirror definitely did not.
As far as the non existent shelf in Madeleine's room is concerned ... that has already been addressed, complete with crime scene photograph ...you appear to be ignoring members who have gone to the trouble of resourcing facts for your information. It is becoming tiresome.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 25, 2016, 07:50:33 PM
I'm sorry Madeleine 8 May 2007 Sunday Mirror Lori Campbell in Praia Da Luz
Clutching the pink Cuddle Cat toy which has been a constant source of comfort to her since it was left lying in Madeleine's bed the night she was taken, Kate says: "I want to tell her we love her very much. She knows we're looking for her, that we're doing absolutely everything and we'll never give up." http://newsoutlines.blogspot.co.uk/2007/05/im-sorry-madeleine.html
Madeleine's favourite 'Cuddle Cat' toy was 'placed out of her reach' Last updated at 15:54 12 August 2007
According to a report in the Sunday Mirror, Kate McCann knew instantly that Madeleine had been abducted when she saw that the toy had been moved from her sleeping daughter's arms and placed on a ledge way beyond the four-year-old's reach. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-474844/Madeleines-favourite-Cuddle-Cat-toy-placed-reach.html#ixzz4FRDhw6UL
Lori Campbell seems to have got it right first time round ... but the journalist who may have lifted her copy from the Sunday Mirror definitely did not.
As far as the non existent shelf in Madeleine's room is concerned ... that has already been addressed, complete with crime scene photograph ...you appear to be ignoring members who have gone to the trouble of resourcing facts for your information. It is becoming tiresome.
Do you think that post has proven your statement or proven something else?
Reasons I don't think it has proven what you set out to do:
1. I don't know Lori Campbell at all. The thread title at UK Justice is "The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell" You have not quoted her (Lori Campbell) as saying that.
2. The article that quotes this says that expression comes from a "police source", so why are we blaming Lori Campbell?
3. The article that cites Lori Campbell says "Clutching the pink Cuddle Cat toy which has been a constant source of comfort to her since it was left lying in Madeleine's bed the night she was taken, Kate says: "I want to tell her we love her very much. She knows we're looking for her, that we're doing absolutely everything and we'll never give up."" and this was report on the 8th (just 5 days after).
So can anyone find the quote from Lori Campbell that uses the Police source so she writes "According to a report in the Sunday Mirror, Kate McCann knew instantly that Madeleine had been abducted when she saw that the toy had been moved from her sleeping daughter's arms and placed on a ledge way beyond the four-year-old's reach. The paper quotes a police source as saying: "When Kate tucked Madeleine up in bed earlier in the evening she had the toy tightly in her arms as she did every night. "So Kate was terrified when she spotted it had been left in a place too high for her to reach.""
Follow up questions:
1. Was the Daily Mail Australia article actually written by Lori Campbell? I can't see who it is attributed to.
2. Did Lori Campbell ever say "Kate McCann knew instantly that Madeleine had been abducted when she saw that the toy had been moved from her sleeping daughter's arms and placed on a ledge way beyond the four-year-old's reach." or not?
3. If the 2 question above can be answered, how was she able the to say these two conflicting statements just 4 days apart?
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell
Post by: Brietta on July 25, 2016, 08:36:54 PM
Do you think that has proven your statement of something else?
1. I don't know Lori Campbell at all. The thread title is "The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell" You have not quoted her as saying that.
2. The article that quotes this says that expression comes from a "police source", so why are we blaming Lori Campbell?
3. The article that cites Lori Campbell says "Clutching the pink Cuddle Cat toy which has been a constant source of comfort to her since it was left lying in Madeleine's bed the night she was taken, Kate says: "I want to tell her we love her very much. She knows we're looking for her, that we're doing absolutely everything and we'll never give up."" and this was report on the 8th (just 5 days after).
So can anyone find the quote from Lori Campbell that uses the Police source so she writes "According to a report in the Sunday Mirror, Kate McCann knew instantly that Madeleine had been abducted when she saw that the toy had been moved from her sleeping daughter's arms and placed on a ledge way beyond the four-year-old's reach. The paper quotes a police source as saying: "When Kate tucked Madeleine up in bed earlier in the evening she had the toy tightly in her arms as she did every night. "So Kate was terrified when she spotted it had been left in a place too high for her to reach."
Did Lori Campbell ever say "Kate McCann knew instantly that Madeleine had been abducted when she saw that the toy had been moved from her sleeping daughter's arms and placed on a ledge way beyond the four-year-old's reach." or not?
I don't really have an opinion on any of that, Robittybob1. Mainly because I think it is all an irrelevance in the disappearance of a little girl.
The only significance that Cuddle Cat had to Madeleine's case was the supposition that a cadaver dog had alerted to it ... as forum members have determined in another thread, that is so unlikely it is safe to say that supposition is demonstrably wrong.
There isn't a lot going on in Madeleine's case at the moment that we know about which makes constructive discussion difficult. I don't think there is any excuse for filling the vacuum with impossible theories which have no basis in reality and are less than interesting to boot.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell
Post by: mercury on July 25, 2016, 10:35:58 PM
Witness statement of Kate Marie Healy, on the 4th of May 2007, at 2.20 p.m.
Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went into the bedroom and were put in their beds at around 7.30.
////////////////////////
At around 10pm, the witness came to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed, but unlocked, as already said, and immediately noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.
Faced with this altered situation, she verified that the twins were in their beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. The cover was neatly pulled back and the toys were on the pillow as usual.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id192.html#sta1
Your recollection is mistaken. There is no doubt that Madeleine vanished from her bed in the room she shared with her siblings.
I was not mistaken in any recollection, I know exactly what was in all the statements, I wasnt making any recollection, I was going with the speculative flow (s), tryng to help Robby square his circle iyswim
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: mercury on July 25, 2016, 10:43:28 PM
Good luck with fndng the one where Kate says she found the toy on a high shelf , it doesnt exist, what might exist is others repeating the myth in the papers as part of news reporting or magazine article or worse a documentary.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: mercury on July 25, 2016, 11:22:07 PM
It was this one, ff to 2.30 Some dispute that was what was meant though
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: pegasus on July 27, 2016, 05:18:24 PM
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy69/HiDeHo1/Forensic%20Photos/Photos%20May%204th/wardrobe09_VOLUME_IXa_Page_2311.jpg Look carefully -the laundry pile is still there on the shelf IMO - the door and jacket block view of most of the pile but the extreme front left corner of the pile is visible
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 27, 2016, 06:39:47 PM
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy69/HiDeHo1/Forensic%20Photos/Photos%20May%204th/wardrobe09_VOLUME_IXa_Page_2311.jpg Look carefully -the laundry pile is still there on the shelf IMO - the door and jacket block view of most of the pile but the extreme front left corner of the pile is visible
I agree. So what does that mean to you?
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: mercury on July 28, 2016, 12:53:13 AM
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy69/HiDeHo1/Forensic%20Photos/Photos%20May%204th/wardrobe09_VOLUME_IXa_Page_2311.jpg Look carefully -the laundry pile is still there on the shelf IMO - the door and jacket block view of most of the pile but the extreme front left corner of the pile is visible
Pegasus just wondering why youve always called this a laundry pile
Who puts their laundry back i n the wardrobe? To stink up clean clothes?
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: pegasus on July 28, 2016, 11:05:23 AM
It means the laundry pile remained on that shelf until Sat IMO Robbity. BTW also in that photo on the next shelf up IMO the large dark suitcase is still there. From this camera angle the door completely blocks our view of it.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: John on July 28, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
So let's see, there was no shelf in the children's bedroom so the story by Lori Campbell was yet another load of bollocks?
Does that about sum it up?
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Eleanor on July 28, 2016, 02:29:19 PM
It means the laundry pile remained on that shelf until Sat IMO Robbity. BTW also in that photo on the next shelf up IMO the large dark suitcase is still there. From this camera angle the door completely blocks our view of it.
You can't have it both ways. Either the door blocks the view or not. If you can't see it you can't be certain whether it is there or not. Looking at the size of the suitcase it should have been visible so i'd say it has gone by this stage. Logic: It was to be found before the the police were called. I've got no proof other than the logic of the situation.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: mercury on July 28, 2016, 11:31:53 PM
So let's see, there was no shelf in the children's bedroom so the story by Lori Campbell was yet another load of bollocks?
Does that about sum it up?
This from a News of the World report but I have some faith in them because their plan of 5A is the most accurate I have seen. Also there is a photo of the wardrobe in the childrens bedroom which appears completely bonafide.
ETA: The plan in Kates book "Madeleine" on page 46 is even more accurate, and the wardrobe is mentioned on Page 72.
Sorry, John, but I dont think you are right. There was a shelf in Madeleines room. It was in the wardrobe, as you can see in this image. In the wardrobe interior mirror you can see the reflection of the mirror/picture on the back wall above Madeleines bed. This confirms that this was the wardrobe in the childrens bedroom.
Inside the robe is a high shelf ... in Madeleines room
-snip- But our on-site reconstruction proves that if the kidnapper was already in the flat, as the McCanns fear, he had a full TEN SECONDS to conceal himself after hearing Gerry open the patio doors and enter the apartment.
And he had no fewer than FOUR boltholes to choose from—behind Madeleine’s BEDROOM DOOR, inside her roomy WARDROBE, in her parents’ nearby BEDROOM or in the family BATHROOM.
There was room for the kidnapper to hide inside Maddie's fitted wardrobe. -snip-
Kate has stated that she found Cuddlecat in the place on the bed where she left it with Madeleine and her pink blanket at bedtime. IIRC this was in her book “Madeleine”
To have found CC on a high shelf would have strengthened Kates statement about instantly knowing Madeleine had been abducted, cos Madeleine could not have put it there herself.
There was a high shelf there in the wardrobe. However, being honest, she told the truth about having found CCat on the bed.
There was a high shelf within the wardrobe in the room, but because of Kates honesty, I think that we can discount all reports about CCat being found there as nonsense .... another myth bites the dust !
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Brietta on July 29, 2016, 12:27:06 PM
This from a News of the World report but I have some faith in them because their plan of 5A is the most accurate I have seen. Also there is a photo of the wardrobe in the childrens bedroom which appears completely bonafide.
ETA: The plan in Kates book "Madeleine" on page 46 is even more accurate, and the wardrobe is mentioned on Page 72.
Sorry, John, but I dont think you are right. There was a shelf in Madeleines room. It was in the wardrobe, as you can see in this image. In the wardrobe interior mirror you can see the reflection of the mirror/picture on the back wall above Madeleines bed. This confirms that this was the wardrobe in the childrens bedroom.
Inside the robe is a high shelf ... in Madeleines room
-snip- But our on-site reconstruction proves that if the kidnapper was already in the flat, as the McCanns fear, he had a full TEN SECONDS to conceal himself after hearing Gerry open the patio doors and enter the apartment.
And he had no fewer than FOUR boltholes to choose from—behind Madeleine’s BEDROOM DOOR, inside her roomy WARDROBE, in her parents’ nearby BEDROOM or in the family BATHROOM.
There was room for the kidnapper to hide inside Maddie's fitted wardrobe. -snip-
Kate has stated that she found Cuddlecat in the place on the bed where she left it with Madeleine and her pink blanket at bedtime. IIRC this was in her book “Madeleine”
To have found CC on a high shelf would have strengthened Kates statement about instantly knowing Madeleine had been abducted, cos Madeleine could not have put it there herself.
There was a high shelf there in the wardrobe. However, being honest, she told the truth about having found CCat on the bed.
There was a high shelf within the wardrobe in the room, but because of Kates honesty, I think that we can discount all reports about CCat being found there as nonsense .... another myth bites the dust !
Don't know about the bathroom, Sadie, I thought Gerry had used it on that check? I agree with the rest of the post with the addition of my thoughts that if an an intruder was present s\he could have crouched behind the cots for concealment.
I agree Cuddle Cat was where Kate said it was ... on the bed.
I also think having been interrupted once the intruder may well have decided an escape route was required should the same thing happen again and opened the window and raised the shutter as soon as Gerry departed.
I think he left by the front door carrying Madeleine and was the person seen by Jane Tanner walking briskly at the top of the road. The timing fits.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 29, 2016, 06:00:45 PM
That plan showing the twin's cots is totally incorrect Sadie. The cots wer(http://)e in the middle of the floor between Madelein's bed and the bed beside the window. They were not side by side adjacent to the wall as you have indicated.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: sadie on July 29, 2016, 06:20:28 PM
That plan showing the twin's cots is totally incorrect Sadie. The cots wer(http://)e in the middle of the floor between Madelein's bed and the bed beside the window. They were not side by side adjacent to the wall as you have indicated.
I know that Angelo.
News of the World have made a number of mistakes especially in their written report BUT the actual plan of the apartment, meaning brick walls is nearly accurate. Apart from the plan in the Madeleine book, this is the building plan that is nearest to actuality that I have found.
The length of the wardrobe is incorrect too, but there is a wardrobe there, even if it doesn't reach the window wall. Because of the reflection of the Mirror/picture above Madeleines bed, I think this is the bonafide wardrobe to the childrens bedroom. The bedroom door confirms that too.
The shelf within the wardrobe is what we are primarily interested in. I think these illustrations, whilst not perfect in many respects, clearly show that there was a high shelf in the wardrobe in Madeleines bedroom. Do you agree?
Anyway with Kate, against her own interests, publicly stating that she found CCat on the bed where she left her at bedtime, I think we can forget the Ccat on a high shelf myth. Don't you ?
It is just a myth. An obfuscation
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Brietta on July 30, 2016, 01:17:31 PM
Perhaps you should expand on your theory re Cuddle Cat before moving onto pasture's new on CC's thread.
To date you have established that it is the 'one and only' CC we have been discussing ... you must have more to add in relation to journalists, shelves and a general realisation that all is not as it seems when misreported.
Bad and bad enough when, as in this instance, it happens inadvertently. Really not good when there are those who have made a living out of deliberate distortion and misreporting of the facts.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 30, 2016, 02:03:18 PM
Perhaps you should expand on your theory re Cuddle Cat before moving onto pasture's new on CC's thread.
To date you have established that it is the 'one and only' CC we have been discussing ... you must have more to add in relation to journalists, shelves and a general realisation that all is not as it seems when misreported.
Bad and bad enough when, as in this instance, it happens inadvertently. Really not good when there are those who have made a living out of deliberate distortion and misreporting of the facts.
I was originally trying to see if there was one or two cuddle cats in the McCann apartment. I initially thought there was two but on further work, with my friend discussing it, we agreed that in the dog searches by Eddie there is only Cuddle Cat.
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Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: John on July 30, 2016, 09:34:06 PM
I was originally trying to see if there was one or two cuddle cats in the McCann apartment. I initially thought there was two but on further work, with my friend discussing it, we agreed that in the dog searches by Eddie there is only Cuddle Cat.
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That's two myths discounted now Bob. There was no second Cuddlecat and the soft toy was not found on a high shelf by Kate after Madeleine disappeared. 8((()*/
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 30, 2016, 10:56:56 PM
That's two myths discounted now Bob. There was no second Cuddlecat and the soft toy was not found on a high shelf by Kate after Madeleine disappeared. 8((()*/
I'd still have to remind the forum of what I said along the lines of "there was only one CC involved in the searches of the apartments and villas etc. It is still possible a second CC was taken along with Madeleine when she was removed from the apartment". And even though I do believe in my heart that CC was on a shelf out of reach, later Kate finds CC on the bed and so she seems to accept that and writes it in her statement.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: mercury on July 30, 2016, 11:05:34 PM
Why would any abductor of a sleeping or drugged as many claim chld put a toy on a high shelf in the first bloody place, what a waste of time this thread has been
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: misty on July 30, 2016, 11:18:32 PM
It only matters if you believe that CC was placed on a high shelf in the children's wardrobe. One cot was blocking the wardrobe door in reality.
In all fairness, misty, I dont think that we can be sure how the beds were placed. They would likely have been moved to look under the them and to look into the wardrobe in Madeleines bedroom several times during the searches.
If the space in the wardrobes was needed for hanging or storage, then i think it is possible that they may have been placed like this.
The wardrobe is missing from this image but it stood on the long wall to the left of the entrance to the room. Probably your arrangement is correct, but we cant be sure imo.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 31, 2016, 01:17:22 AM
It only matters if you believe that CC was placed on a high shelf in the children's wardrobe. One cot was blocking the wardrobe door in reality.
The kids wardrobe or the one in the main bedroom. I always thought the kids bedroom wasn't that practical as the cots blocked the access to it as you say.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2016, 02:23:21 AM
It is all improbable and impossible, Robittybob1, and you have convinced no-one of the feasibility of anything you have come up with. The thing about a thesis is that it is not writ on tablets of stone. When you have worked through all the options and none of them have withstood scrutiny ... it is time to move on.
You seem to have reneged on the conclusions we all thought you did reach ...
there was no dead changeling
there was no shelf above Madeleine's bed
there was only one cuddle cat
... you seem to have made the same mistake Mr Amaral did with his thesis when instead of following and working to the evidence he tried to make the evidence fit his original thoughts.
I'm sorry, I don't understand from the "at each crossroads" bit of your post, so can't respond.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 31, 2016, 03:05:42 AM
It is all improbable and impossible, Robittybob1, and you have convinced no-one of the feasibility of anything you have come up with. The thing about a thesis is that it is not writ on tablets of stone. When you have worked through all the options and none of them have withstood scrutiny ... it is time to move on.
You seem to have reneged on the conclusions we all thought you did reach ...
there was no dead changeling
there was no shelf above Madeleine's bed
there was only one cuddle cat
... you seem to have made the same mistake Mr Amaral did with his thesis when instead of following and working to the evidence he tried to make the evidence fit his original thoughts.
I'm sorry, I don't understand from the "at each crossroads" bit of your post, so can't respond.
When I talk of crossroads it is when you have to make a decision as to what someone would do next developing the theory you favour the least criminal option. For instance if you think "Smithman was heading toward the beach" you choose a destination between here and the beach, the destination having some beneficial effect rather than a sinister one. So "Smithman was heading toward the beach" because in that direction there as a place where he could get help. Rather than "Smithman was heading toward the beach" for he was intending to kill her and bury her. For if there is a more innocent reason for the action that person might actually come forward and own up. That feels like progress.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Brietta on July 31, 2016, 08:43:39 AM
When I talk of crossroads it is when you have to make a decision as to what someone would do next developing the theory you favour the least criminal option. For instance if you think "Smithman was heading toward the beach" you choose a destination between here and the beach, the destination having some beneficial effect rather than a sinister one. So "Smithman was heading toward the beach" because in that direction there as a place where he could get help. Rather than "Smithman was heading toward the beach" for he was intending to kill her and bury her. For if there is a more innocent reason for the action that person might actually come forward and own up. That feels like progress.
Maybe categorically proving the actual existence of such an entity would be an experiment worthy of your talents?
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: John on July 31, 2016, 08:54:49 AM
It is all improbable and impossible, Robittybob1, and you have convinced no-one of the feasibility of anything you have come up with. The thing about a thesis is that it is not writ on tablets of stone. When you have worked through all the options and none of them have withstood scrutiny ... it is time to move on.
You seem to have reneged on the conclusions we all thought you did reach ...
there was no dead changeling
there was no shelf above Madeleine's bed
there was only one cuddle cat
... you seem to have made the same mistake Mr Amaral did with his thesis when instead of following and working to the evidence he tried to make the evidence fit his original thoughts.
I'm sorry, I don't understand from the "at each crossroads" bit of your post, so can't respond.
That's three myths scuttled now Brietta. 8((()*/
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 31, 2016, 09:20:26 AM
Perhaps DCI Redwood was fooled into thinking he existed? A few on here prefer to stick with Tannerman. I wonder why?
I'd like to keep both of them.
What is your personal position G-Unit? on one recent post you wrote "Is this the person who still insists on telling stories about Tannerman, despite SY having almost certainly eliminated him? Apparently more than one person thinks they know better than SY." And above you say about Smithman "Perhaps DCI Redwood was fooled into thinking he existed? A few on here prefer to stick with Tannerman. I wonder why?" I must be getting tired I can't see where you stand in this.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: G-Unit on July 31, 2016, 12:39:41 PM
What is your personal position G-Unit? on one recent post you wrote "Is this the person who still insists on telling stories about Tannerman, despite SY having almost certainly eliminated him? Apparently more than one person thinks they know better than SY." And above you say about Smithman "Perhaps DCI Redwood was fooled into thinking he existed? A few on here prefer to stick with Tannerman. I wonder why?" I must be getting tired I can't see where you stand in this.
I'm what some like to call a 'sceptic'. I can see inconsistencies in the stories of the McCans and their friends. I can also see inconsistencies in some of the things SY have said and done. Others believe everything the McCanns and their friends said and did is explainable. Some think SY are wonderful and are on top of everything with a solution imminent.
I get interested when someone who usually praises SY disagrees with them re Tannerman. It's not coherent. Either they know what they're doing or they don't.
I'm not sure if they're bumbling idiots, constrained by their remit or pretty clever. I'll let you know when I work it out.
Here's an interesting anomaly; if you type 'cuddlecat.co.uk into wayback, the 'findmadeleine site comes up. Here's a link, click on 12th June and you will see. https://web.archive.org/web/20080615000000/http://cuddlecat.co.uk
I already knew there was a website for cuddlecat linked to the findmadeleine website. Was someone hoping for a good marketing opportunity but thought better of it, or was stopped?
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: mercury on August 01, 2016, 12:29:02 AM
So, does anyne have an answer to why a site called cuddlecat was set up early on? Like anyne knew the name if madelenes toy early 2007 and even f they did why on gods earth wuld they google it
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Angelo222 on August 01, 2016, 05:35:48 PM
So, does anyne have an answer to why a site called cuddlecat was set up early on? Like anyne knew the name if madelenes toy early 2007 and even f they did why on gods earth wuld they google it
If it's in the archive as being linked to the OFM site then it must have been included early on but subsequently removed. As suggested, somebody probably thought better of using the doll or there could have been copyright issues in using the name.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: mercury on August 01, 2016, 11:47:31 PM
If it's in the archive as being linked to the OFM site then it must have been included early on but subsequently removed. As suggested, somebody probably thought better of using the doll or there could have been copyright issues in using the name.
Ok thanks, I agree about the co. copyright, what I dont get is why so early on anyone thought it a good idea to have the site as a mirror site to the bringmadeleinehome one...like. , e.g. WHO in the public arena knew what the toy was called and even if they did why would they google it for news?
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: slartibartfast on August 03, 2016, 10:04:31 PM
Ok thanks, I agree about the co. copyright, what I dont get is why so early on anyone thought it a good idea to have the site as a mirror site to the bringmadeleinehome one...like. , e.g. WHO in the public arena knew what the toy was called and even if they did why would they google it for news?
PR advice?
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: mercury on August 05, 2016, 02:31:03 AM
This was the first picture to show the interior of Madeleine's bedroom, from where she was allegedly abducted.
The picture was taken through the front window after the police had completed their forensic investigations. It was released to newspapers on 12 November 2007.
It shows Madeleine's bed, with sheets, but does not show the cots where the twins slept. Presumably the cots, being the property of Mark Warner, were returned and reissued to other guests.
Also worth noting is that there is no 'high shelf'; onto which, it was reported, Kate McCann had described seeing Cuddle Cat - the significance being that it was out of Madeleine's reach and could therefore only have been placed there by an intruder. However, it should be added that these reports came from 'souces' and there is no such quote directly attributable to Kate herself.
www.mccannfiles.com/id21.html
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: pathfinder73 on August 19, 2016, 02:42:32 PM
First crime scene photo early AM 4 May before the cots were moved up to the Payne's apartment.
Photos by Joao Franciso Pascoa Luis Trigo Barreiras
Occupation: PJ Deputy Specialist
At about 00.10 on the morning of the 4th, he had just finished filing a report about a fire, when he was informed that a child had disappeared in Praia da Luz.
The immediately left for the scene and arrived about 30 - 40 minutes later, at about 00.40/00.50.
He was shown the room the child had disappeared from, having noticed that people also entered and left that room without any care in the sense of preserving traces. Inside this room there were two children, babies, sleeping in two cots placed in the middle of the room.
It was requested that the babies were moved, which was done accordingly, the witness having subsequently put his gloves on to begin the on-site inspection.
At that moment one of the GNR officers told the witness that they had already searched for the girl in the wardrobes and other places in the apartment without having taken any care as to leaving their own traces or for destroying or adulterating any traces that might be of interest to the investigation.
After the arrival of the witness and his colleague Vitor Martins the scene was isolated and the inspection began, namely the collection of statements and inspection of the scene, the respective reports that were subsequently attached to the process documents.
The witness carried out finger print testing on the inside of the bedroom window, where the girl had been sleeping, leaving other examinations for the following day given that on that occasion these tests could not be carried out in the best technical conditions. For this reason, the apartments and the surrounding area were sealed off, watched over by the GNR officers who remained on site.
As far as he knows, after the first examination, other members from the finger print detection service and also officers from the LPC Crime Scene arrived at the scene.
The witness states that, at a given moment, the father of the missing girl led him to understand that he had already contacted the Sky News TV station and informed them of the situation.
As much the father as the girl's mother looked quite worried with the situation and he can even confirm that the mother was very agitated and out of control, crying a lot and shouting in an uncontrolled manner, saying in English "They have taken her".
He remembers that he remained on the scene until about 04.00.
Title: Re: The Cuddlecat on the shelf myth by Mirror reporter Lori Campbell.
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 19, 2016, 09:34:50 PM
Has there been any mention of that light blue item of fabric just under the covers? PS: I think it is just the blanket under the duvet for there is also a blue area on the bed opposite where Kate slept on wednesday night.