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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on September 02, 2016, 04:13:04 PM

Title: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: John on September 02, 2016, 04:13:04 PM
There seems to be a lot of negatively about these days so let's think positive!

It is now officially autumn in these northern climes and with the latest official investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann about to end everybody who has ever followed this case must surely be asking, what next?

Is there a way forward?  Can you suggest anything which could further a renewed investigation?

All suggestions will be listed below.

1. A renewed effort to identify Smithman.

(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7545.0;attach=7256;image)

Missing youngster Madeleine McCann in happier times.
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 02, 2016, 04:30:31 PM
There seems to be a lot of negatively about these days so let's think positive!

It is now officially autumn in these northern climes and with the latest official investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann about to end everybody who has ever followed this case must surely be asking, what next?

Is there a way forward?  Can you suggest anything which could further a renewed investigation?

(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7545.0;attach=7256;image)

Missing youngster Madeleine McCann in happier times.

It would seem all the stones have been turned. Maddies fate ( whatever that was/is) would have propably involved one or more people ,perhaps to make then accessories to a crime,to keep them quiet. Stunning thing is  no reward was taken up at the beginning. 

I could suggest something, but I am not going to.
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: Carana on September 02, 2016, 04:42:12 PM
There seems to be a lot of negatively about these days so let's think positive!

It is now officially autumn in these northern climes and with the latest official investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann about to end everybody who has ever followed this case must surely be asking, what next?

Is there a way forward?  Can you suggest anything which could further a renewed investigation?

(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7545.0;attach=7256;image)

Missing youngster Madeleine McCann in happier times.

There is still that remaining line of enquiry, whatever that is. Smellyman?

Although the McCanns have apparently been kept updated, I doubt that they would be privy to the entire UK side of the investigation, which might make it somewhat difficult to know what they could still actually do.

Would there be a part-time desk officer still available, in case something new and unexpected turned up?

Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: John on September 02, 2016, 05:14:25 PM
There is still that remaining line of enquiry, whatever that is. Smellyman?

Although the McCanns have apparently been kept updated, I doubt that they would be privy to the entire UK side of the investigation, which might make it somewhat difficult to know what they could still actually do.

Would there be a part-time desk officer still available, in case something new and unexpected turned up?

I must say I was surprised that SY announced they were wrapping it up after previously stasting that they had lodged several ILOR's with the Portuguese authorities.

Re your last point, if and when the enquiry is suspended any new information will still be reviewed but not necessarily acted upon unless it was of significant quality to warrant it.
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: John on September 02, 2016, 05:16:46 PM
To answer my own question from the opening post, I still believe the identification of Smithman is crucial to unwinding this mystery so I suggest a concerted effort at identifying him.
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: Carana on September 02, 2016, 05:38:46 PM
I must say I was surprised that SY announced they were wrapping it up after previously stasting that they had lodged several ILOR's with the Portuguese authorities.

Re your last point, if and when the enquiry is suspended any new information will still be reviewed but not necessarily acted upon unless it was of significant quality to warrant it.

The pending ILORs was some time ago, wasn't it, John? Unless there were objections, they presumably moved forward.

Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: John on September 02, 2016, 05:50:37 PM
The pending ILORs was some time ago, wasn't it, John? Unless there were objections, they presumably moved forward.

If I recall from that period there was some resistance by the Portuguese to the ILORs ie they were unwilling to allow anyone else to be interviewed or homes searched without credible evidence being provided.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-seach-portuguese-judge-3507111
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on September 02, 2016, 06:29:48 PM
If I recall from that period there was some resistance by the Portuguese to the ILORs ie they were unwilling to allow anyone else to be interviewed or homes searched without credible evidence being provided.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-seach-portuguese-judge-3507111

If you read the CPS guidelines ILORs cannot be raised for fishing expeditions and they [the CPS] are picky about what ILORs are sent forward for processing. That leaves plenty of room for misunderstandings like "send three and fourpence we are going to a dance" and blaming those who may not necessarily be at fault.
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: Carana on September 02, 2016, 07:11:32 PM
To answer my own question from the opening post, I still believe the identification of Smithman is crucial to unwinding this mystery so I suggest a concerted effort at identifying him.

I'm wondering if the alleged outstanding lead is Smithman or Smellyman. Possibly Smithman strictly in terms of OG, but there may be a different offshoot under a different heading to try to identify the other one (assuming that they are not one and the same, for the sake of the other childen, whether or not there is any connection to M's disappearance).
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: Carana on September 02, 2016, 07:17:46 PM
If you read the CPS guidelines ILORs cannot be raised for fishing expeditions and they [the CPS] are picky about what ILORs are sent forward for processing. That leaves plenty of room for misunderstandings like "send three and fourpence we are going to a dance" and blaming those who may not necessarily be at fault.

Is there any serious indication that there ever was a fishing expedition? Or was the origin of that in the tabloids?

Is simply wanting to interview someone to clarify details a fishing expedition? How else could this have been achieved without an ILOR in the absence of a JIT?
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on September 02, 2016, 09:54:56 PM
Is there any serious indication that there ever was a fishing expedition? Or was the origin of that in the tabloids?

Is simply wanting to interview someone to clarify details a fishing expedition? How else could this have been achieved without an ILOR in the absence of a JIT?

You are missing the point of what I posted. By accident or design I can't say.
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: G-Unit on September 02, 2016, 10:21:06 PM
If the SY investigation stops, it will be shelved rather than closed I would think. In either case, the information it has added to the process will not be released.

Any further investigation is in danger of repeating work done by SY. For that reason alone I think instigating an active investigation would be a waste of money.

As I see it the only choice going forward is along the lines of occasional reminders via the website and media.
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: mercury on September 03, 2016, 01:13:34 AM
Nearly 10 years and multi million pounds later nd zilch resulting from the active involvement of three police forces, interpol, several detective agencies , several independent investigators. worldwide mmedia and online campaigns etcetc
So better to take a step back and not waste any more time energy and money apart from the usual low means
Often cases get solved by fluke events,or people coming forward (rare) or chance discovery of new evidence


There is no action that can be taken imo that hasnt already been

Time to call it a dayand use resources more wisely in future, such as dont spend vast amounts of money on vindictive litigation which is a GAMBLE

Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: Brietta on September 03, 2016, 01:00:30 PM
Nearly 10 years and multi million pounds later nd zilch resulting from the active involvement of three police forces, interpol, several detective agencies , several independent investigators. worldwide mmedia and online campaigns etcetc
So better to take a step back and not waste any more time energy and money apart from the usual low means
Often cases get solved by fluke events,or people coming forward (rare) or chance discovery of new evidence


There is no action that can be taken imo that hasnt already been

Time to call it a dayand use resources more wisely in future, such as dont spend vast amounts of money on vindictive litigation which is a GAMBLE

Let me get my head round this.

You are suggesting a halt is called on a missing child investigation at a time when a senior police officer has told us that there are avenues of investigation still being actively followed and that there is a possibility that Madeleine may still be alive?
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: stephen25000 on September 03, 2016, 01:12:37 PM
Let me get my head round this.

You are suggesting a halt is called on a missing child investigation at a time when a senior police officer has told us that there are avenues of investigation still being actively followed and that there is a possibility that Madeleine may still be alive?

1 avenue I believe.
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: carlymichelle on September 03, 2016, 03:28:23 PM
1 avenue I believe.

maddie isnt the only  child missing in the  uk/the  world    is she no  disrespect  to maddie
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: ferryman on September 03, 2016, 03:36:25 PM
Let me get my head round this.

You are suggesting a halt is called on a missing child investigation at a time when a senior police officer has told us that there are avenues of investigation still being actively followed and that there is a possibility that Madeleine may still be alive?

Aside from the fact that were those avenues to lead to Madeleine being discovered (alive) that would be a source of immense pleasure (to most of us!) that development would also be interesting for its implications in the libel trial.
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on September 03, 2016, 04:42:32 PM
Of course Smithman is a very important piece of the puzzle. But I think we have to wait for Grange and PGR  conclusions, and to know the new data, before answering your question, John. I expect them to publish their conclusions soon.

Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: faithlilly on September 03, 2016, 05:57:45 PM
Aside from the fact that were those avenues to lead to Madeleine being discovered (alive) that would be a source of immense pleasure (to most of us!) that development would also be interesting for its implications in the libel trial.

No it wouldn't.
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: mercury on September 04, 2016, 01:02:38 AM
Let me get my head round this.

You are suggesting a halt is called on a missing child investigation at a time when a senior police officer has told us that there are avenues of investigation still being actively followed and that there is a possibility that Madeleine may still be alive?

I did not suggest that, the OPs question was based on the fact/premise that the SY investigation is to end very soon and my reply was based on the what next question
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: Brietta on September 04, 2016, 01:16:29 AM
I did not suggest that, the OPs question was based on the fact/premise that the SY investigation is to end very soon and my reply was based on the what next question

I have reread your essentially very negative post and my opinion of it stands.

Perhaps you missed the opening sentence in the OP.  Please allow me to remind you ...

            "There seems to be a lot of negatively about these days so let's think positive!"

An excellent sentiment not reflected in what you have to say ~ "Time to call it a day and use resources more wisely in future".

I don't know when the PJ and SY will decide that they have taken Madeleine's case as far as they can but presently there is still work being done and there is still the hope she is alive and can be recovered.
What justification can there be for your sentiment?
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: mercury on September 04, 2016, 01:25:26 AM
I have reread your essentially very negative post and my opinion of it stands.

Perhaps you missed the opening sentence in the OP.  Please allow me to remind you ...

            "There seems to be a lot of negatively about these days so let's think positive!"

An excellent sentiment not reflected in what you have to say ~ "Time to call it a day and use resources more wisely in future".

I don't know when the PJ and SY will decide that they have taken Madeleine's case as far as they can but presently there is still work being done and there is still the hope she is alive and can be recovered.
What justification can there be for your sentiment?

My post/sentiment is my opinion to whch I have every right, whether you like it or not is neither here nor there, just be careful not to put words in peoples mouths i n future or pontificate as to the worth of their posts

So there you have it!

And no I still cant think of anything that can be done that hasnt already several tmes over over 10 years, at the MOMENT can you? And nether do I have to JUSTIFY my opinions to you any more than I already did. MEH
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: Brietta on September 04, 2016, 01:27:21 AM
My post/sentiment is my opinion to whch I have every right, whether you like it or not is neither here nor there, just be careful not to put words in peoples mouths i n future or pontificate as to the worth of their posts

So there you have it!

And no I still cant think of anything that can be done that hasnt already several tmes over over 10 years, at the MOMENT can you? And nether do I have to JUSTIFY my opinions to you any more than I already did. MEH

Yes
Title: Re: How can the search for Madeleine McCann go forward?
Post by: mercury on September 04, 2016, 01:52:35 AM
Reverse every sentiment you have expressed in your post and you may be halfway to working it out for yourself.

No, thats a cop out answer to me and the OP