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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: sadie on December 04, 2016, 11:26:31 AM
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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/567443/madeleine-mccann-search-new-lead-found-trafficking-gang
http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/04/important-madeleine-mccann-lead-sees-police-given-money-to-investigate-6300411/
Seems like they are looking at my theory ?
Soz, am too busy to comment atm but will come in when I can
Several other reports in 'Newsnow Mccann'
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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/567443/madeleine-mccann-search-new-lead-found-trafficking-gang
http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/04/important-madeleine-mccann-lead-sees-police-given-money-to-investigate-6300411/
Seems like they are looking at my theory ?
Soz, am too busy to comment atm but will come in when I can
Several other reports in 'Newsnow Mccann'
Is this actually news or is it junk news?
OG was given funding to last to April 2017 in Oct or Nov 2016 in what seemed to be the normal 6-monthly funding process. If the main source of this 'breakthrough' is the Daily Star I would be very wary of its provenance.
Does anyone know what the track record of the reporter or the Star is wrt to the MBM case?
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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/567443/madeleine-mccann-search-new-lead-found-trafficking-gang
http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/04/important-madeleine-mccann-lead-sees-police-given-money-to-investigate-6300411/
Seems like they are looking at my theory ?
Soz, am too busy to comment atm but will come in when I can
Several other reports in 'Newsnow Mccann'
Thank god!!
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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/567443/madeleine-mccann-search-new-lead-found-trafficking-gang
http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/04/important-madeleine-mccann-lead-sees-police-given-money-to-investigate-6300411/
Seems like they are looking at my theory ?
Soz, am too busy to comment atm but will come in when I can
Several other reports in 'Newsnow Mccann'
..or they are printing another Mitchell release prior to the Supreme Court decision...
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So where is their an actual OG or Whitehall source ? 8(*(
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So where is their an actual OG or Whitehall source ? 8(*(
Of course not.
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Is this actually news or is it junk news?
OG was given funding to last to April 2017 in Oct or Nov 2016 in what seemed to be the normal 6-monthly funding process. If the main source of this 'breakthrough' is the Daily Star I would be very wary of its provenance.
Does anyone know what the track record of the reporter or the Star is wrt to the MBM case?
There was no flesh put on the earlier reports about what leads they were pursuing, though.
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There was no flesh put on the earlier reports about what leads they were pursuing, though.
So what do you think the traffickers, knowing OG was hot on their heels, would do with Madeleine?
Do you really think experienced police officers would endanger a child by leaking this kind of information ?
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They only release them because people believe them. Sounds like diversion tactics.
"Two pieces of information reach us, which we interpret as diversionary tactics with the obvious purpose of diverting suspicion from the McCanns. The first concerns the couple’s active involvement in a campaign to set up an international alert system for missing children. The Policia Judiciaria is approached indirectly through the Department of Criminal Investigation in Portimão and the Directorate in Faro to participate and support the launch of the campaign. We tell the messenger that we are not the appropriate recipients of this enquiry, that the request should be sent to a higher authority, the National Director of the PJ or the Portuguese government.
The second piece of information comes to us from further afield: Beirut, capital of The Lebanon. Imagine this: an Arab shiekh possessed a video of an orgy by other shiekhs on which Madeleine was allegedly recognisable. He would be prepared to hand over this recording to the British Ambassador in exchange for a sum of money to be sent to his lawyer. Once again, we are stupified." (TOTL)
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There was no flesh put on the earlier reports about what leads they were pursuing, though.
That's right, so the news could easily be months old. As usual we believe what we choose.
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Of course not.
It's just B.S. via the usual 'source', namely Mitchell.
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This 'lead' has been around for so long;
(http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/A14_5/14_volume_XIV_apenso_V_3033-90.jpg)
It was passed to Interpol by the PJ but it petered out for lack of more information.
The press mentioned it in August 2008 after the files were released
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041818/Email-warning-Madeleine-stolen-Belgian-paedophile-ring-took-weeks-reach-Portuguese-police.html
But it seemed quite tenuous;
a spokesman for Belgium's Federal Police said:......"We find it all a bit strange. We are not aware and we have never found a paedophile network in Belgium that could order, sell or buy children like this."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/reports-that-belgian-paedophile-ring-stole-maddy-to-order-are-flawed-887220.html
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This 'lead' has been around for so long;
(http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/A14_5/14_volume_XIV_apenso_V_3033-90.jpg)
It was passed to Interpol by the PJ but it petered out for lack of more information.
The press mentioned it in August 2008 after the files were released
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041818/Email-warning-Madeleine-stolen-Belgian-paedophile-ring-took-weeks-reach-Portuguese-police.html
But it seemed quite tenuous;
a spokesman for Belgium's Federal Police said:......"We find it all a bit strange. We are not aware and we have never found a paedophile network in Belgium that could order, sell or buy children like this."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/reports-that-belgian-paedophile-ring-stole-maddy-to-order-are-flawed-887220.html
Ah G-Unit but obviously the BelgIan police don't want to admit that they have a child trafficking problem !
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if there was one iota of truth in this ......
it would have been the twins who would have been taken................
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Good news for those who want to see a conclusion to the case
SY not giving up
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I'm sure they'll keep going as long as they have the funding.
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"traffickers were seen taking pictures of the three-year-old on a beach before she was snatched"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-probe-chasing-important-9389490
What I'd like to know is......
Who saw these traffickers on the beach ?
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How did they know they were child traffickers exactly ?
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"traffickers were seen taking pictures of the three-year-old on a beach before she was snatched"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-probe-chasing-important-9389490
What I'd like to know is......
Who saw these traffickers on the beach ?
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How did they know they were child traffickers exactly ?
Good questions
Nice to see you back by the way ?{)(**
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I'm sure they'll keep going as long as they have the funding.
And hopefully the funding will keep going as long as SY need it.
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Of interest is the 2011 smashing of trafficking rings in the Algarve and in the North of the country which coincided with the Porto Policia Judiciaria reviewing Madeleine McCann's case. Which must have led to new evidence being uncovered as the investigation into her disappearance was reopened and is continuing.
It is heartening to read that the lead being followed by Scotland Yard contains specific information ... and it is possible that Madeleine might still be alive.
The one positive that we do know is that as long as there is information to be checked out, Scotland Yard will request an extension to funding to pursue it.
They've done that already and there is nothing that says they won't require to do so again.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/04/scotland-yard-to-pursue-new-lead-in-disappearance-madeleine-mccann.html
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"traffickers were seen taking pictures of the three-year-old on a beach before she was snatched"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-probe-chasing-important-9389490
What I'd like to know is......
Who saw these traffickers on the beach ?
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How did they know they were child traffickers exactly ?
Sagres man is back - more BS @)(++(*
Mr Krokowski told our investigators he liked taking pictures of children while he was on trips abroad.
He said he was amazed he had not been contacted since police reopened the case in 2011. The Pole insisted: “ I am ready to speak to them any time they want.”
We tracked Mr Krokowski to his office in the Polish capital. He admitted he enjoys taking pictures of children on holiday but that it was for artistic purposes. In his first-ever newspaper interview he said: “I take photos of old people, young people, landscapes and I have a lot of pictures from places like Thailand, Greece, Portugal, France, with kids on them.
“But I never thought about kids as a sexual object. Nothing like this, never, never never. I am a simple man with normal sexual orientations.”
Goncalo Amaral, the controversial detective who led the original Portuguese investigation before he was replaced, has said he regretted that the Polish police probe into the couple was not taken further and that they did not seize Mr Krokowski’s camera and look at his holiday pics at that time.
But Mr Krokowski, who describes himself as an “obsessive photographer” told us he still had every single picture he took the day Madeleine vanished and handed them over so we could pass them to Operation Grange.
Our man met Mr Krokowski at the offices of his interior design business in a suburb of central Warsaw near the banks of the river Vistula. Smart and professional, Mr Krokowski was in a meeting when we first called but cut the session short in order to speak to us when we explained who we were.
Over a couple of hours together he spoke at length about his involvement in the case and how he was eager to clear his name once and for all.
Speaking about the photos from his holiday in 2007, Mr Krokowski said he was happy to hand them over.
He added: “We are not the type of people to lie on the beach so we travelled a lot in that area between Sagres and Burgau and I have plenty of photos from our time there but the police never asked for them.
“I thought once maybe I should show those photos. They are not just landscapes, there are lots of people. Maybe something in there could be helpful.
“I collect all my photographs, I still have them from that trip, of course you can have them if they could help in anyway.”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-detectives-examine-former-6699750
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"traffickers were seen taking pictures of the three-year-old on a beach before she was snatched"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-probe-chasing-important-9389490
What I'd like to know is......
Who saw these traffickers on the beach ?
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How did they know they were child traffickers exactly ?
They could have been wearing Tshirts.. we traffick kids so you don't have to .com.
Paedophile enquiries welcome. Mates rates for secret societies...
This is the stupidity of this case: we have a best friend who 'saw' the abductor run away with Maddie but didn't want to upset her friend by telling her! WTF.. then we have people watching Kiddie traffickers casing a child for kidnap and say nothing WTF?
Then we have what must be 'dwarfs' stealing a sleeping child through a small window. Oh get real people!
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"traffickers were seen taking pictures of the three-year-old on a beach before she was snatched"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-probe-chasing-important-9389490
What I'd like to know is......
Who saw these traffickers on the beach ?
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How did they know they were child traffickers exactly ?
It was on their passports/ID cards under "Occupation" and/or the whole bleedin' world knew or did not know I can't work out which it should be, that anyone in Luz standing still, wandering up and down aimlessly, having a drag or having a scoop in the bushes, or shooting up was a "ne'er do well" or "molester of children.
The place was full of them. There were likely more bloody child abductors than children if you believe the scuttlebutt.
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It was on their passports/ID cards under "Occupation" and/or the whole bleedin' world knew or did not know I can't work out which it should be, that anyone in Luz standing still, wandering up and down aimlessly, having a drag or having a scoop in the bushes, or shooting up was a "ne'er do well" or "molester of children.
The place was full of them. There were likely more bloody child abductors than children if you believe the scuttlebutt.
Could it have been at Easter? Weren't the family in Donegal at the time?
A "strange Englishman" was spotted taking pictures of children on a Portuguese beach visited by Madeleine McCann just before she went missing, police files reveal.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2529324/Madeleine-McCann-Strange-Englishman-photographed-children-on-beach.html
I inform you that, upon going to the Zavial Beach concession of Ernesto Joaquim Muchacho , telephone contact numbers, ******** and ******; the same stated that he recognised the parents of Madeleine McCann as clients of his restaurant and that he remembers seeing them for the last time in his establishment in the month of April (Easter holidays), accompanied by their three children. Since this date, as he exercises his function in the kitchen, he does not remember having seen them on that beach or in his restaurant.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAQUIM_MUCHACHO.htm
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Could it have been at Easter? Weren't the family in Donegal at the time?
A "strange Englishman" was spotted taking pictures of children on a Portuguese beach visited by Madeleine McCann just before she went missing, police files reveal.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2529324/Madeleine-McCann-Strange-Englishman-photographed-children-on-beach.html
I inform you that, upon going to the Zavial Beach concession of Ernesto Joaquim Muchacho , telephone contact numbers, ******** and ******; the same stated that he recognised the parents of Madeleine McCann as clients of his restaurant and that he remembers seeing them for the last time in his establishment in the month of April (Easter holidays), accompanied by their three children. Since this date, as he exercises his function in the kitchen, he does not remember having seen them on that beach or in his restaurant.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAQUIM_MUCHACHO.htm
You missed out the most hilarious bit. "It is relevant to note that the Zaival Beach is normally frequented by nudists, and consequently attracts some peepers/lookers on."
That does it for me. I need to find out where Zaival beach is to add it to my tour destinations.
On a serious note, does anyone have a brief description of where the (Lagos) maritime police get first dibs? Are the beaches their territory?
I thought in sorting out the PJ, PSP, GNR, bombeiros, LP, CEOP and OG I had roughly cracked it. Where does the maritime police fit into this mad scramble?
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You missed out the most hilarious bit. "It is relevant to note that the Zaival Beach is normally frequented by nudists, and consequently attracts some peepers/lookers on."
That does it for me. I need to find out where Zaival beach is to add it to my tour destinations.
On a serious note, does anyone have a brief description of where the (Lagos) maritime police get first dibs? Are the beaches their territory?
I thought in sorting out the PJ, PSP, GNR, bombeiros, LP, CEOP and OG I had roughly cracked it. Where does the maritime police fit into this mad scramble?
The beach is between Luz and Sagres. The message in the files is dated 9th May, when the Maritime Police were involved in searching the coastline.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARITIME_POLICE.htm
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Mark Williams-Thomas ain't buying it (not that his theory was any better);
Investigator who exposed Jimmy Savile questions theory traffickers snatched Maddie McCann
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/568148/Madeleine-McCann-Jimmy-Savile-sex-monster-theory-investigator 8(0(* 8(0(*
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Mark Williams-Thomas ain't buying it (not that his theory was any better);
Investigator who exposed Jimmy Savile questions theory traffickers snatched Maddie McCann
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/568148/Madeleine-McCann-Jimmy-Savile-sex-monster-theory-investigator 8(0(* 8(0(*
A news story written around a single tweet it would seem.
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A news story written around a single tweet it would seem.
"THE TV investigator who exposed Jimmy Savile as a sex monster has questioned the police's new theory Madeleine McCann was snatched by a trafficking gang".
The word "new" features a few times.
I wonder on which definition of the word new they rely ? I guess in the geological sense of new.... ?{)(**
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seems .they have not got a clue ..all the millions spent spent ...
and it seem like guess work...in a nutshell ..they have found nothing
you never know they may be saving the best option till last .......no abduction
as said before .....traffickers would have took twins.......
anyone wanting to snatch maddie for whatever reason ...would have took Amelia...
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Mark Williams-Thomas suggested if traffickers had broken into the McCanns' Portuguese holiday apartment in 2007 instead of abducting Madeleine they would have probably taken her sister Amelie sleeping just feet away.
Skeptics have pointed out the younger child was only two and would have been easier to abduct, lighter to carry and smaller to conceal.
The TV investigator has publicly questioned the Brit police's new theory.
They claim she would have had poorer speech skills than her sister – who was then nearly four – and in time would have been less likely to be able to recall her ordeal or true family.
Mr Williams-Thomas, 46, who outed Savile as a paedophile in a documentary after his death, tweeted: ''How many cases exist of traffickers breaking into house & abducting a 3yr old from their bed whilst leaving another younger female child?'
Williams-Thomas outed Savile as a paedophile in a documentary.
For months the Metropolitan Police had believed missing Madeleine was taken by a burglary gang during a botched raid on her family's apartment.
But earlier this week it was revealed they now think she was snatched by traffickers who had been watching and photographing children in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz in the days leading up to her disappearance.
For months the Met Police had believed missing Maddie was taken by a burglary gang.
Scotland Yard detectives have had a tip a Belgian paedophile ring placed an order for a 'young girl' just three days before she vanished.
Portuguese police agree it is the most likely solution to a mystery that has gripped the world for nine years.
Brit officers have been given funding for four more months to find out what happened to the youngster
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Sounds like ever decreasing circles to me. Same old story with not a shred of evidence to support it.
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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/567443/madeleine-mccann-search-new-lead-found-trafficking-gang
http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/04/important-madeleine-mccann-lead-sees-police-given-money-to-investigate-6300411/
Seems like they are looking at my theory ?
Soz, am too busy to comment atm but will come in when I can
Several other reports in 'Newsnow Mccann'
On that basis don't go telling them about the Riff Mountains in Morocco ffs!
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Sounds like ever decreasing circles to me. Same old story with not a shred of evidence to support it.
Sorry, but does Operation Grange regularly brief you on the evidence it has uncovered?
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Sorry, but does Operation Grange regularly brief you on the evidence it has uncovered?
I was taking about the rubbish story since it is not a secret that SY are not briefing anyone and that includes the Daily Star. The press and media have certainly not lost their talent to come up with crap headlines.
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Could it have been at Easter? Weren't the family in Donegal at the time?
A "strange Englishman" was spotted taking pictures of children on a Portuguese beach visited by Madeleine McCann just before she went missing, police files reveal.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2529324/Madeleine-McCann-Strange-Englishman-photographed-children-on-beach.html
I inform you that, upon going to the Zavial Beach concession of Ernesto Joaquim Muchacho , telephone contact numbers, ******** and ******; the same stated that he recognised the parents of Madeleine McCann as clients of his restaurant and that he remembers seeing them for the last time in his establishment in the month of April (Easter holidays), accompanied by their three children. Since this date, as he exercises his function in the kitchen, he does not remember having seen them on that beach or in his restaurant.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAQUIM_MUCHACHO.htm
The family were in Donegal three weeks before their Portuguese holiday and visited the their Grandma Mccanns pub in St Johnston.
They arrived in Portugal on 28th April, so it is possible that they visited Zavial Beach on April 29th or 30th.
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I was taking about the rubbish story since it is not a secret that SY are not briefing anyone and that includes the Daily Star. The press and media have certainly not lost their talent to come up with crap headlines.
Let's wait and see what happens, Angelo?
If I am right and they go ahead based on my thoughts, some mighty big names are set to tumble ... unless, of course, they are protected.
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Let's wait and see what happens, Angelo?
If I am right and they go ahead based on my thoughts, some mighty big names are set to tumble ... unless, of course, they are protected.
Im sure your letters are in the bin
Big names ordering three yr old babies for sex are you mad?????
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Im sure your letters are in the bin
Big names ordering three yr old babies for sex are you mad?????
I never said that they ordered her for sex. I do not believe that she was abused sexually.
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I never said that they ordered her for sex. I do not believe that she was abused sexually.
So what for? Did these elites order an abduction for?
youre the one who posted a video ages ago of some spy writer i forget his name ..shrimpton somethng who had info that madleeine was murdered after abuse????? By someone high in the eu? Hello??
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So what for? Did these elites order an abduction for?
youre the one who posted a video ages ago of some spy writer i forget his name ..shrimpton somethng who had info that madleeine was murdered after abuse????? By someone high in the eu? Hello??
You think it was all about sexual Abuse? How very awful and very sad.
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You think it was all about sexual Abuse? How very awful and very sad.
No not me, others dear, bloody cheeck, ive never offered that as a reason shame on YOU
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No not me, others dear
What is the reason IYO then Mercury?
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No not me, others dear
Oh, I see. Other people think really horrible things, but never you. So that's okay then.
It's not my dog. But then it never is.
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And I am beyond reporting Posts before I remove them. I don't have the time or the patience.
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So what for? Did these elites order an abduction for?
youre the one who posted a video ages ago of some spy writer i forget his name ..shrimpton somethng who had info that madleeine was murdered after abuse????? By someone high in the eu? Hello??
No I dont think Michael Shrimpton had any part in it.
FYI, I believe that Shrimpton is a barrister with an extra-ordinarily sharp mind. As such it is my understanding that he does covert work for the Government .. defence etc.
If you remember he said something about photos of Madeleine being sent electronically, before the abduction. That is what SY are saying now.
He wont have got everything right but it seems that he had a pretty good handle on things.
And it seems to me that there has been TOO MUCH ridiculing of him. I have noticed that people who are getting close to the truth seem to get ridiculed ... big time.
Even his Madeleine Abduction report was changed in order to make him look stupid. Michael Shrimpton is no idiot.
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The family were in Donegal three weeks before their Portuguese holiday and visited the their Grandma Mccanns pub in St Johnston.
They arrived in Portugal on 28th April, so it is possible that they visited Zavial Beach on April 29th or 30th.
They were in Donegal at Easter. The guy said he saw them at Zavail beach at Easter. If they went to that beach on the Sunday or Monday why do the creche records show the children in the creche? Why did the McCanns deny leaving PdL all week?
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They were in Donegal at Easter. The guy said he saw them at Zavail beach at Easter. If they went to that beach on the Sunday or Monday why do the creche records show the children in the creche? Why did the McCanns deny leaving PdL all week?
When was Easter that year?
8 Apr Easter Day
9 Apr Easter Monday
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcKgWRBEghc
"Scotland Yard To Re-Open Madeleine McCann Case Over 'New Lead'" I'm not sure that holds true.
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@)(++(* Deary me.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcKgWRBEghc
"Scotland Yard To Re-Open Madeleine McCann Case Over 'New Lead'" I'm not sure that holds true.
Why?
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Why?
Is the Podesta Brother affair the issue that has resulted in SY looking at the case?
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Is the Podesta Brother affair the issue that has resulted in SY looking at the case?
We dont know but i doubt it.
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We dont know but i doubt it.
That doubt is the same as mine.
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Part 2.... to stop banned posts on latest news.
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Part 2.... to stop banned posts on latest news.
As the link on my other post showed, investigating resources in SY appear to come in at over £200k pa, £85k for 6 months doesn't get you much.
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What upsetting news for those who were looking forward to the announcement that the Met had given up.
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What upsetting news for those who were looking forward to the announcement that the Met had given up.
£170k a year is chickenfeed for the government to prevent bad publicity, it was always likely to happen. It will probably continue for a few more years with decreasing budget.
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Disappointing that OG seem no nearer a resolution than they were 6 months ago.
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£170k a year is chickenfeed for the government to prevent bad publicity, it was always likely to happen. It will probably continue for a few more years with decreasing budget.
Please don't be silly. If there were no further leads to follow, then the case would be wound up. Do you seriously believe the government gives a shit if the Met comes out of this without solving the case? I think you'll find it's got more important fish to fry than that.
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Disappointing that OG seem no nearer a resolution than they were 6 months ago.
The report I read spoke of having id'ed a specific individual they are trying to locate. That sounds like a breakthrough to me.
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The report I read spoke of having id'ed a specific individual they are trying to locate. That sounds like a breakthrough to me.
A Tabloid report from an unnamed source. SY giving nothing away, as usual.
Not the sort of source you would normally pay attention to.
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The report I read spoke of having id'ed a specific individual they are trying to locate. That sounds like a breakthrough to me.
Sounds like someone decided to throw Smithman into the mix.
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As the link on my other post showed, investigating resources in SY appear to come in at over £200k pa, £85k for 6 months doesn't get you much.
https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmic/wp-content/uploads/metropolitan-value-for-money-profile-2014.pdf
If that is the link to which you refer it is hardly current as I am sure investigative costs will have escalated like almost everything else in the intervening period between then in 2014 and now in 2017.
The point you have failed to pick up on is that most of the work appears to have been done and the fact that there is still work needed to be done is evident by the Home Office agreeing to fund it.
Keeping to the arrangement that the policing budget would not be touched to finance Operation Grange.
I am sure Scotland Yard would probably have liked more than £85K ... but if that is the grant ... that is what will have been assessed as adequate to do what still remains to be done.
Justice doesn't come cheap.
However there is an organisation in existence I believe which was founded to achieve JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE.
Perhaps the members would not baulk at setting up a gofundme page or something of that sort to add to the Home Office contribution to Scotland Yard.
Who are after all working towards the same aim ... JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE.
I think it is called ... put your money where your mouth is.
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A Tabloid report from an unnamed source. SY giving nothing away, as usual.
Not the sort of source you would normally pay attention to.
There has to be a reason why more funds were granted, this is an obvious reason. A lead that needs following up. T's certainly a far more credible reason than Mrs May is terrified of bad publicity. @)(++(*
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Sounds like someone decided to throw Smithman into the mix.
Eh? Smithman has been on the most wanted list for years. If it was Gerry they wouldn't need an extra £85k to locate him, I'd tell them for the price of a phone call.
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So say the government refused the Met's request for more money and the case had to be shelved or closed. How does that impact on the Government exactly? Does it put a spanner in Brexit plans? Does it impact on the chances of the Tories winning the next election? Will all the furore about Phil Hammond's budget be swept aside by the far more devastating news that the Met have failed to find Madeleine? What do sceptics think would happen?
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There has to be a reason why more funds were granted, this is an obvious reason. A lead that needs following up. T's certainly a far more credible reason than Mrs May is terrified of bad publicity. @)(++(*
Probably easier to bung a few thousand at it than admit defeat, particularly while the PJ investigation appears to be carrying on.
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Eh? Smithman has been on the most wanted list for years. If it was Gerry they wouldn't need an extra £85k to locate him, I'd tell them for the price of a phone call.
I believe a lot of people did when the Crimewatch programme was broadcast and the police were seeking information ... if the calls were mischievous how did that contribute to either helping or reducing the costs of the investigation,
It may have cost them the price of a phone call ... but they were abusing resources which cost money.
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Its the last throw of the dice,oh hang on so was the one about the snatch squad from Belgium.
Express 2017:Senior officers admit the investigation of the new lead is the “last throw of the dice” in their hunt.
Express 2016:DETECTIVES investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will take "one last throw of the dice" after a fresh tip-off suggested she was kidnapped by a European trafficking gang.
For balance there are course other news outlets available.
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Probably easier to bung a few thousand at it than admit defeat, particularly while the PJ investigation appears to be carrying on.
If the PJ investigation is carrying on then why not wind up the Met investigation saying the PJ have got it all in hand, we trust them to get a resolution and then Portugal can pay for it?
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Its the last throw of the dice,oh hang on so was the one about the snatch squad from Belgium.
Express 2017:
Express 2016:
For balance there are course other news outlets available.
"last throw of the dice" is a tabloid sensationalist expression and means nothing, sorry to disappoint.
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If the PJ investigation is carrying on then why not wind up the Met investigation saying the PJ have got it all in hand, we trust them to get a resolution and then Portugal can pay for it?
What, spend over 12 mil for no result and then hand it over to some foreign force? Not bl**dy likely @)(++(*
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As the link on my other post showed, investigating resources in SY appear to come in at over £200k pa, £85k for 6 months doesn't get you much.
Thats £10,000 down on last years Aprils allowance.
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"last throw of the dice" is a tabloid sensationalist expression and means nothing, sorry to disappoint.
Along with any thing else,take it with a pinch of salt.
The report I read spoke of having id'ed a specific individual they are trying to locate. That sounds like a breakthrough to me.
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"last throw of the dice" is a tabloid sensationalist expression and means nothing, sorry to disappoint.
You shouldn't be "sorry" (to disappoint).
I'm sure you aren't.
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Eh? Smithman has been on the most wanted list for years. If it was Gerry they wouldn't need an extra £85k to locate him, I'd tell them for the price of a phone call.
@)(++(*
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My money's on there having been a been a Home Office budget of £12MM and the £85k rounds it off just about if the Expresses figures are to believed.
£85k looks like about 4 men and a dog plus overheads and exes for about six months.
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Probably easier to bung a few thousand at it than admit defeat, particularly while the PJ investigation appears to be carrying on.
That is the Policia Judiciaria investigation the Portuguese authorities assured would only be reopened if new evidence warranted it.
New evidence = PJ reopening Madeleine's case
PJ carrying on the investigation = there is still investigation going on.
The PJ haven't told us so but the conclusion seems logical. Scotland Yard has been slightly more forthcoming and we do know that cooperation between SY and the PJ has never been better.
Who knows, they may even be pursuing the same suspect.
A person who I hope is having may sleepless nights as the net closes.
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Don't you just love the smell of desperation in the morning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V92OBNsQgxU
"Charlie don't surf"
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That is the Policia Judiciaria investigation the Portuguese authorities assured would only be reopened if new evidence warranted it.
New evidence = PJ reopening Madeleine's case
PJ carrying on the investigation = there is still investigation going on.
The PJ haven't told us so but the conclusion seems logical. Scotland Yard has been slightly more forthcoming and we do know that cooperation between SY and the PJ has never been better.
Who knows, they may even be pursuing the same suspect.
A person who I hope is having may sleepless nights as the net closes.
Amen to that 8)-)))
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What, spend over 12 mil for no result and then hand it over to some foreign force? Not bl**dy likely @)(++(*
Why not? It's called "passing the buck".
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And sour grapes, a distinct whiff of vinegar in the air... @)(++(*
You betcher ass bo:
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=vinegar+joe+youtube&*
Mmmmmmm nice
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Along with any thing else,take it with a pinch of salt.
So, you don't believe the Met have any new leads but are asking for more money simply to "save face" and the government are happy to oblige because of the bad publicity that a Met failure would give the government? OK then, so at this rate, and factoring in the likelihood of Labour coming in to power in the next 10-15 years we can look forward to at least another 10 years of funding for Operation Grange. Good stuff 8((()*/
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So you are happy for nothing to be found for another 10 years ?
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So, you don't believe the Met have any new leads but are asking for more money simply to "save face" and the government are happy to oblige because of the bad publicity that a Met failure would give the government? OK then, so at this rate, and factoring in the likelihood of Labour coming in to power in the next 10-15 years we can look forward to at least another 10 years of funding for Operation Grange. Good stuff 8((()*/
With any luck it will be resolved ... sooner rather than ten years down the line though. The McCanns are prepared for whatever ... let's hope the outcome is good for them and Madeleine.
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So you are happy for nothing to be found for another 10 years ?
I am only happy for Madeleine to be found. This will likely not happen if no one is looking for her.
So are you happy for no one to be looking for her? It certainly seems so.
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My money's on there having been a been a Home Office budget of £12MM and the £85k rounds it off just about if the Expresses figures are to believed.
£85k looks like about 4 men and a dog plus overheads and exes for about six months.
There isn't much external, international investigation going on on 85 thousand. Surely that amount will be absorbed by the wage bill of the remaining officers alone ?
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So you are happy for nothing to be found for another 10 years ?
Did I say that? No. I was using sceptic twisted logic to explain the on-going funding. I don't believe for a minute that the government is throwing money at this case in order to protect its reputation or that of the Met. It's an absurd notion.
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I am only happy for Madeleine to be found. This will likely not happen if no one is looking for her.
So are you happy for no one to be looking for her? It certainly seems so.
Oh I don't mind another bout or two of funding. It's only money after all and it keeps a few police off the street
Just disappointed that after so long, there is still no sign of resolution.
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Oh I don't mind another bout or two of funding. It's only money after all and it keeps a few police off the street
Just disappointed that after so long, there is still no sign of resolution.
Come on, where's your tick-tock gone?
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Did I say that? No. I was using sceptic twisted logic to explain the on-going funding. I don't believe for a minute that the government is throwing money at this case in order to protect its reputation or that of the Met. It's an absurd notion.
I'll remind you what you did say -
"at least another 10 years of funding for Operation Grange. Good stuff "
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Come on, where's your tick-tock gone?
I went electronicl many years ago.
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I'll remind you what you did say -
"at least another 10 years of funding for Operation Grange. Good stuff "
You've taken my quote out of context. But yes, if it takes another 10 years or 20 of investigating to solve this case, then so be it.
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Perhaps the Home Office have taken pity on the McCanns and have decided to extend the budget of Op Grange so that it may continue because they know the McCs would not be able to fund a private investigation themselves... 8(0(*
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There isn't much external, international investigation going on on 85 thousand. Surely that amount will be absorbed by the wage bill of the remaining officers alone ?
There seems to be a poor appreciation of just how little £85k will buy.
One can scarcely purchase an appropriate motor vehicle for so little these days
We can however look forward to repeating this topic of conversation when we return from our hols in September.
Always provided the established convention remains intact.
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There seems to be a poor appreciation of just how little £85k will buy.
One can scarcely purchase an appropriate motor vehicle for so little these days
We can however look forward to repeating this topic of conversation when we return from our hols in September.
Always provided the established convention remains intact.
Could well be that very little (extra) is needed to get the right result and solve the investigation.
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Hilarious that all these sceptics who previously resented the vast millions being spent on this case are now moaning about how little is being spent on it. @)(++(*
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Could well be that very little (extra) is needed to get the right result and solve the investigation.
Probably not.
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Probably not.
Try not to get your hopes up too high (that your prediction will come true).
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2@ Alfie
I never moaned about how much was spent.
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Could well be that very little (extra) is needed to get the right result and solve the investigation.
You said something similar last time additional funds were allocated.
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Let's not forget that there are people on this very forum who think the case is theirs for solving without the need for £85 let alone £85k.
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Could well be that very little (extra) is needed to get the right result and solve the investigation.
It won't cost that much to follow an established lead. One person could do that. And quite likely will.
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There seems to be a poor appreciation of just how little £85k will buy.
One can scarcely purchase an appropriate motor vehicle for so little these days
We can however look forward to repeating this topic of conversation when we return from our hols in September.
Always provided the established convention remains intact.
most of us........supporters certainly....understand how much 85K will buy as regards police time. At say £20 per hour....thats 4250 hours...seems like quite a lot of time
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most of us........supporters certainly....understand how much 85K will buy as regards police time. At say £20 per hour....thats 4250 hours...seems like quite a lot of time
You really thing it costs £20 per hour to run a police detective?
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You really thing it costs £20 per hour to run a police detective?
No they would consume that in coffee per hour.
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You really thing it costs £20 per hour to run a police detective?
So how much would you say?
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So, you don't believe the Met have any new leads but are asking for more money simply to "save face" and the government are happy to oblige because of the bad publicity that a Met failure would give the government? OK then, so at this rate, and factoring in the likelihood of Labour coming in to power in the next 10-15 years we can look forward to at least another 10 years of funding for Operation Grange. Good stuff 8((()*/
You posted.
The report I read spoke of having id'ed a specific individual they are trying to locate. That sounds like a breakthrough to me.
I replied with.
Its the last throw of the dice,oh hang on so was the one about the snatch squad from Belgium.
Express 2017:Senior officers admit the investigation of the new lead is the “last throw of the dice” in their hunt.
Express 2016:DETECTIVES investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will take "one last throw of the dice" after a fresh tip-off suggested she was kidnapped by a European trafficking gang.
For balance there are course other news outlets available.
How you can deduce from that I don't believe the MET have any new leads I don't know,but whilst acknowledging there may well be remember the MET aren't giving a running commentary so nothing is specific,its all made up by the media,from the beeb website.
Met Police said: "The investigation is ongoing. We are not prepared to discuss any lines of inquiry while the investigation is ongoing."
So a source for the line of inquiry wouldn't go amiss.
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You really thing it costs £20 per hour to run a police detective?
£18 per hour by my calculation.
As of Jan 2017, the average pay for a Police Detective is £37815 http://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Job=Police_Detective/Salary
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So how much would you say?
2014 figures quoted suggested average Met pay at £56k which from pure pay terms is around £28 per hour. You then have to add overheads e.g. NI, Pensions, accommodation, power, management, training etc. As a rule of thumb we used 175% of pay to arrive at cost of employment which needed budgeting I.e. £49 per hour. This all assumes it isn't a high ranking detective. £85,000 gives you about 1.5 people for 6 months excluding expenses.
Note: not easy to deduce from figures if it is a full costed rate.
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It's almost as if some people actually want this case never to be solved.
I can't think why.
Actually, I can ....
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You posted.
I replied with.
Express 2016:For balance there are course other news outlets available.
How you can deduce from that I don't believe the MET have any new leads I don't know,but whilst acknowledging there may well be remember the MET aren't giving a running commentary so nothing is specific,its all made up by the media,from the beeb website.
So a source for the line of inquiry wouldn't go amiss.
There is a source, it is unnamed, you can choose to believe the entire story is made up, that's your prerogative. I don't believe that all unnamed sources that are used in newspaper reports are fictional, I think that line of reasoning is very silly. I look at this story, I see that extra funding has been given, I rationalise that there must be a good reason for this, a good reason is cited (a specific individual they want to trace says an "insider"), that seems logical, certainly a lot more logical than other reasons cited here this morning such as it's being done to cover up bad publicity for the government.
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2014 figures quoted suggested average Met pay at £56k which from pure pay terms is around £28 per hour. You then have to add overheads e.g. NI, Pensions, accommodation, power, management, training etc. As a rule of thumb we used 175% of pay to arrive at cost of employment which needed budgeting I.e. £49 per hour. This all assumes it isn't a high ranking detective. £85,000 gives you about 1.5 people for 6 months excluding expenses.
Note: not easy to deduce from figures if it is a full costed rate.
There seems to be some disparity here.
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There seems to be some disparity here.
Why should that come as a surprise ? 8)-)))
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2014 figures quoted suggested average Met pay at £56k which from pure pay terms is around £28 per hour. You then have to add overheads e.g. NI, Pensions, accommodation, power, management, training etc. As a rule of thumb we used 175% of pay to arrive at cost of employment which needed budgeting I.e. £49 per hour. This all assumes it isn't a high ranking detective. £85,000 gives you about 1.5 people for 6 months excluding expenses.
Note: not easy to deduce from figures if it is a full costed rate.
I'll drink to that as a good "go by". We would have done payroll p.a.*2 recovered over 46 weeks.
For anyone who wants to be picky:
https://www.metfriendly.org.uk/services/police-finance-information/police-pay/
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Why should that come as a surprise ? 8)-)))
Some one worked out how much the guy earned in an hour and someone else worked out how much it costs to actually employ the guy.
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lets say £50 per hour....85K
1700 hours.......thats still a lot of hours
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2014 figures quoted suggested average Met pay at £56k which from pure pay terms is around £28 per hour. You then have to add overheads e.g. NI, Pensions, accommodation, power, management, training etc. As a rule of thumb we used 175% of pay to arrive at cost of employment which needed budgeting I.e. £49 per hour. This all assumes it isn't a high ranking detective. £85,000 gives you about 1.5 people for 6 months excluding expenses.
Note: not easy to deduce from figures if it is a full costed rate.
1.5 poeple for 6 months is assuming they are employed solely on this case
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I'd like to know how much the Portuguese have spent on this investigation since it re-opened. Do we think more or less than £85k in total?
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I'd like to know how much the Portuguese have spent on this investigation since it re-opened. Do we think more or less than £85k in total?
What would be interesting would be a complete breakdown of cost's by Scotland yard,helicopters and landscaping doesn't come cheap.
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There is a source, it is unnamed, you can choose to believe the entire story is made up, that's your prerogative. I don't believe that all unnamed sources that are used in newspaper reports are fictional, I think that line of reasoning is very silly. I look at this story, I see that extra funding has been given, I rationalise that there must be a good reason for this, a good reason is cited (a specific individual they want to trace says an "insider"), that seems logical, certainly a lot more logical than other reasons cited here this morning such as it's being done to cover up bad publicity for the government.
We'll agree to disagree,but we'll leave the last word to the MET as per the bbc article.
Met Police said: "The investigation is ongoing. We are not prepared to discuss any lines of inquiry while the investigation is ongoing."
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We'll agree to disagree,but we'll leave the last word to the MET as per the bbc article.
Not a named source I note.
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Not a named source I note.
DCS Duthie April 2016,the last time a named person from OG made a statement.
The police chief admitted detectives did not have a “full understanding” of what happened to Madeleine or why she was taken but added: “That is why the work continues. “
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DCS Duthie April 2016,the last time a named person from OG made a statement.
Madeleine McCann's case is live.
Who in their right mind would expect the police to make any comment whatsoever about it? Isn't it enough that it has been said on more than one occasion they will not be making running commentary.
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Which means you can pretty well ignore anything in the papers unless supported by a quote from a named source.
Even then, if the name is Mitchell, best taken with a pinch of salt.
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Which means you can pretty well ignore anything in the papers unless supported by a quote from a named source.
Even then, if the name is Mitchell, best taken with a pinch of salt.
I prefer a good pickle.
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lets say £50 per hour....85K
1700 hours.......thats still a lot of hours
About 1 man year; divide by 4 cos we know the squad was reduced to 4 = three months for 4 men. QED
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I'd like to know how much the Portuguese have spent on this investigation since it re-opened. Do we think more or less than £85k in total?
It doesn't matter and is not relevant to a "charge out rate" for The Met.
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On the whole I believe this is good news but I was surprised at the amount 85k does seem a little amount given how costly investigations can be especially if they are having to travel abroad.
Having said that, to secure the additional funding must be based on something solid they are following up or else I would suspect they would never have got the funding
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On the whole I believe this is good news but I was surprised at the amount 85k does seem a little amount given how costly investigations can be especially if they are having to travel abroad.
Having said that, to secure the additional funding must be based on something solid they are following up or else I would suspect they would never have got the funding
The other point is that the McCanns expressed their gratitude.
The point was raised with glee in certain quarters that the McCanns did not mention the Met in their Christmas message this year.
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Maybe they read these forums and take the odd bit of information on board 8(0(*
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Maybe they read these forums and take the odd bit of information on board 8(0(*
I told them that they should, so I have every reason to believe they do. But that would take a detective full time to keep up following up the leads discussed on here.
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Maybe they read these forums and take the odd bit of information on board 8(0(*
Yeah, I understand they particularly look out for advice from Faithlilly and base a lot of their actions and public pronouncements on observations she makes on this forum.
%&5%£
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On the whole I believe this is good news but I was surprised at the amount 85k does seem a little amount given how costly investigations can be especially if they are having to travel abroad.
Having said that, to secure the additional funding must be based on something solid they are following up or else I would suspect they would never have got the funding
It could equate to close to 2000 hours of police time which is a lot of time. I'm sure taht if something was discovered
that required further funds then they could return and ask for more. the main thing is there is a reason for the investigation to be kept live which must mean there is still something worth investigating
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It could equate to close to 2000 hours of police time which is a lot of time. I'm sure taht if something was discovered
that required further funds then they could return and ask for more. the main thing is there is a reason for the investigation to be kept live which must mean there is still something worth investigating
Absolutely, and only the investigation team will know those details, the rest of us will have to wait to see if these suspicions lead to an arrest. It does make for interesting reading that they suspect someone previously interviewed didn't tell them the whole truth. So I am guessing there is corroboration enough to track this person down again
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Absolutely, and only the investigation team will know those details, the rest of us will have to wait to see if these suspicions lead to an arrest. It does make for interesting reading that they suspect someone previously interviewed didn't tell them the whole truth. So I am guessing there is corroboration enough to track this person down again
Do we have a named source for the information? Surely if they were looking for this gentleman as a matter of urgency they would release his name and a photograph?
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Do we have a named source for the information? Surely if they were looking for this gentleman as a matter of urgency they would release his name and a photograph?
What, and potentially endanger Madeleine's life by tipping off the abductor that they were on to him? Isn't that the argument you used not long ago? Your position seems to have changed.
Yes, I know I promised not to engage with you again as per your instruction, my bad. @)(++(*
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What, and potentially endanger Madeleine's life by tipping off the abductor that they were on to him? Isn't that the argument you used not long ago? Your position seems to have changed.
Yes, I know I promised not to engage with you again as per your instruction, my bad. @)(++(*
And I seem to remember you argued against it.
We had all sorts of individuals who we were asked to identify or were asked to come forward by Redwood, up to and including Smithman. So why not Traffickman ?
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Absolutely, and only the investigation team will know those details, the rest of us will have to wait to see if these suspicions lead to an arrest. It does make for interesting reading that they suspect someone previously interviewed didn't tell them the whole truth. So I am guessing there is corroboration enough to track this person down again
Then he can do a Kate McCann , and refuse to answer questions.
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Do we have a named source for the information? Surely if they were looking for this gentleman as a matter of urgency they would release his name and a photograph?
One of the joys of life in Portugal is that to do any 'business' here, you must register with your ID to get something called a fiscal number. The fiscal number is required for all sorts of transactions. To enter into a legal contract (house rental, employment contact etc) you need the number so the beggars can keep track of tax. You can hire a car without, but then you need valid ID. I can't remember sticking a fiscal number on a bank account here, and I don't know if tax is levied on bank transactions.
Roughly speaking, everything is either cash in hand or you need a fiscal number or traceable ID. Or you go abroad.
I cannot see a Portuguese worker at the OC as hard to find. The ILOR might take a bit of time and effort. The tracking down shouldn't.
Unless of course he is another dead prime suspect.
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Unless he has left the country. There is an International search for him.
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One point deeply saddening (if true) is that they no longer seem to hold out hope of finding Madeleine alive.
Unsurprising, but saddening.
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Unless this mystery man is in UK, OG won't be able to question him directly, but will need to work according to the justice system of whatever country is involved.
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And I seem to remember you argued against it.
We had all sorts of individuals who we were asked to identify or were asked to come forward by Redwood, up to and including Smithman. So why not Traffickman ?
Because they know his identity already presumably.
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Because they know his identity already presumably.
So why not ask him to come forward?
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One of the joys of life in Portugal is that to do any 'business' here, you must register with your ID to get something called a fiscal number. The fiscal number is required for all sorts of transactions. To enter into a legal contract (house rental, employment contact etc) you need the number so the beggars can keep track of tax. You can hire a car without, but then you need valid ID. I can't remember sticking a fiscal number on a bank account here, and I don't know if tax is levied on bank transactions.
Roughly speaking, everything is either cash in hand or you need a fiscal number or traceable ID. Or you go abroad.
I cannot see a Portuguese worker at the OC as hard to find. The ILOR might take a bit of time and effort. The tracking down shouldn't.
Unless of course he is another dead prime suspect.
Allegedly the only ILOR issued under Nicola Wall's stewardship was issued in October 2015.
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So why not ask him to come forward?
No idea. Perhaps they don't want to tip him off.
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So why not ask him to come forward?
Perhaps he doesn't want to.
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No idea. Perhaps they don't want to tip him off.
But they near as damn it have and if they don't know where he is wouldnt asking the public if they'd seen him be a good idea ?
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I see there are comments on this latest development in the Portuguese Resident by Natasha Donn.
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I see there are comments on this latest development in the Portuguese Resident by Natasha Donn.
There is so too!
This bit appealed to my sense of humour:
"Claiming to be in touch with “an insider”, the Daily Mail says police believe this worker “kept secrets from them during the initial investigation”.
“There is no suggestion he stole Maddie, but he may know the people involved”, adds the tabloid - stressing yet again the angle of a burglary that “went wrong”.
A “Portuguese police source” is reported to have told the Daily Mirror: “This Portuguese man used to work at the club resort, he speaks a bit of English” - which, in the grand scheme of things, means he could be just about anybody."
http://portugalresident.com/%E2%80%9Cback-to-the-ocean-club%E2%80%9D-maddie-cops-focus-on-%E2%80%9Cmissing-resort-worker%E2%80%9D
I also found this funny:
“The secret is in that group of people (holidaying with the McCann couple) and the parents, who are influential people within the British government”, he said.
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There is so too!
This bit appealed to my sense of humour:
"Claiming to be in touch with “an insider”, the Daily Mail says police believe this worker “kept secrets from them during the initial investigation”.
“There is no suggestion he stole Maddie, but he may know the people involved”, adds the tabloid - stressing yet again the angle of a burglary that “went wrong”.
A “Portuguese police source” is reported to have told the Daily Mirror: “This Portuguese man used to work at the club resort, he speaks a bit of English” - which, in the grand scheme of things, means he could be just about anybody."
http://portugalresident.com/%E2%80%9Cback-to-the-ocean-club%E2%80%9D-maddie-cops-focus-on-%E2%80%9Cmissing-resort-worker%E2%80%9D
I also found this funny:
“The secret is in that group of people (holidaying with the McCann couple) and the parents, who are influential people within the British government”, [/b]he said.
that was a quote from one of amarals pals....and yes its ridiculous
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that was a quote from one of amarals pals....and yes its ridiculous
Well, let's remember whom they have had contact with, or assistance from.............
Blair, Brown, Cameron (via Rebekah Brooks), Teresa May.
Obviously, complete non-entities, and have never been in any government. 8)--))
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Well, let's remember whom they have had contact with, or assistance from.............
Blair, Brown, Cameron (via Rebekah Brooks), Teresa May.
Obviously, complete non-entities, and have never been in any government. 8)--))
We've never heard of them sorry, can't help you.
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We've never heard of them sorry, can't help you.
So you agree, non-entities. 8((()*/
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So you agree, non-entities. 8((()*/
I don't know them, but I'm from the antipodes.
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But they near as damn it have and if they don't know where he is wouldnt asking the public if they'd seen him be a good idea ?
Perhaps it never occurred to them? Perhaps you should drop the, a line and suggest it. I'm sure they'd be grateful for your input.
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Perhaps it never occurred to them? Perhaps you should drop the, a line and suggest it. I'm sure they'd be grateful for your input.
Of course you're joking.....which would be funny if OG actions didn't impact of the welfare of a missing child.
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Of course you're joking.....which would be funny if OG actions didn't impact of the welfare of a missing child.
LOL, the welfare of a missing child you *know* to be dead? Your comcern is really touching.
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LOL, the welfare of a missing child you *know* to be dead? Your comcern is really touching.
I don't know her to be dead. I, like you, suspect it.
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that was a quote from one of amarals pals....and yes its ridiculous
The notion they are influential within the UK government is stretching it a bit but the idea of protecting a couple of expensive NHS assets from the swarthy hands of Johnny Dago* isn't.
* Sorry and that mods n admin but I believe the Brits are fundamentally racist and will understand the point better using language they publicly decry but secretly agree with 8)><(
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I don't know her to be dead. I, like you, suspect it.
You have always seemed to be completely sure that Gerry disposed of her remains, what has changed?
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The notion they are influential within the UK government is stretching it a bit but the idea of protecting a couple of expensive NHS assets from the swarthy hands of Johnny Dago* isn't.
* Sorry and that mods n admin but I believe the Brits are fundamentally racist and will understand the point better using language they publicly decry but secretly agree with 8)><(
so you dont think french are fundamentally racist....or spanish are fundamentally racist....or germans...or russians or austrians...definitely austrians.....just british
and which British would that be... the English, Irish,scots ,welsh, indians ,pakistanis, afghans, syrians,bengalis,somalians, nigerians, australians etc etc etc
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so you dont think french are fundamentally racist....or spanish are fundamentally racist....or germans...or russians or austrians...definitely austrians.....just british
and which British would that be... the English, Irish,scots ,welsh, indians ,pakistanis, afghans, syrians,bengalis,somalians, nigerians, australians etc etc etc
I am posting on a British site inhabited predominantly by British posters. I can think of three who aren't British.
You don't address the point of the post though I notice.
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I am posting on a British site inhabited predominantly by British posters. I can think of three who aren't British.
You don't address the point of the post though I notice.
the point is so absurd as to be hardly worth addressing....most sceptics...which you are think that the mccanns made up this cock and bull story because they feared they would lose their NHS jobs......you now throw in the absurd idea that their jobs are protected at all costs......
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the point is so absurd as to be hardly worth addressing....most sceptics...which you are think that the mccanns made up this cock and bull story because they feared they would lose their NHS jobs......you now throw in the absurd idea that their jobs are protected at all costs......
Your comprehension becomes worse by the day.
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Your comprehension becomes worse by the day.
if I had posted....it was the mccanns wot dun it....you would have called me a genius
well they didnt....and anyone who thinks they did is not the full shilling...in my umblest opinion of course
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Is that a bona fide diagnosis of all those millines of people who don't agree with the abduction story- oh cool I can get benefit money.
The only people on this site identities as being mentally ill are: Gerry his wife and their children due to a guy writing a book. Oh I think they were upset about a missing daughter as well., but the book just was well...worse as was stated in court.
There is only one (1) daughter lost but there were thousands upon thousands of copies of that dreaded book.
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There is only one (1) daughter lost but there were thousands upon thousands of copies of that dreaded book.
Surely Kate's opus isn't that bad ? I thought it showed promise for a first novel.
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Surely Kate's opus isn't that bad ? I thought it showed promise for a first novel.
Opus? What the hell is that?
Maybe there will a musical version of the Madeleine McCann missing one day. HiDeHo seems to get the music to match the story most effectively.