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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: David123 on December 21, 2016, 07:56:02 PM
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Well, Trudi Benjamin has recently completed some form of Crowd Funding in order to obtain the necessary funds for the purpose of enabling expert evidence to be obtained upon the issue of the kitchen window at White House Farm.
However, the oral evidence at the Trial from Julie Mugford was that Bamber informed her that he departed White House Farm by means of that window - apparently if it was slammed shut from the outside it enabled it to appear as though it was locked from the inside.
Further, the oral evidence of DCI Barlow at the Trial was that he managed to replicate that very process.
So, even if it's now possible for that window to be examined (perhaps the window has changed in the last 30 or so years and, of course, there is no Court Order which compels the existing owner of White House Farm to permit any examination of the window), it will have NO evidential weight.
I fully expect the CCRC to reject any Application which is presented to it.
Thereafter, no doubt, Trudi Benjamin will seek further Crowd Funding to raise more money for the purpose of funding an Application for Judicial Review.
Inevitably, any such Application would be doomed to fail.
When will this madness end?
That, of course, is a rhetorical question - it will end upon Bamber's death in Prison !
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Well, Trudi Benjamin has recently completed some form of Crowd Funding in order to obtain the necessary funds for the purpose of enabling expert evidence to be obtained upon the issue of the kitchen window at White House Farm.
However, the oral evidence at the Trial from Julie Mugford was that Bamber informed her that he departed White House Farm by means of that window - apparently if it was slammed shut from the outside it enabled it to appear as though it was locked from the inside.
Further, the oral evidence of DCI Barlow at the Trial was that he managed to replicate that very process.
So, even if it's now possible for that window to be examined (perhaps the window has changed in the last 30 or so years and, of course, there is no Court Order which compels the existing owner of White House Farm to permit any examination of the window), it will have NO evidential weight.
I fully expect the CCRC to reject any Application which is presented to it.
Thereafter, no doubt, Trudi Benjamin will seek further Crowd Funding to raise more money for the purpose of funding an Application for Judicial Review.
Inevitably, any such Application would be doomed to fail.
When will this madness end?
That, of course, is a rhetorical question - it will end upon Bamber's death in Prison !
Great self publicity though for Trudi Benjamin.
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Huh ????
I can see her smarting at the Dismissal(s) of her Applications : )
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Huh ????
I can see her smarting at the Dismissal(s) of her Applications : )
For the CCRC to even contemplate a referral of the case to the Appeal Court some substantial breakthrough will have to be made and I cannot see anything at all relevant to the kitchen window fitting that criteria. Bamber has already admitted being able to get into and out of what looked like a secure/locked farmhouse so if he could do it once he could have done it many times if needed. To establish his innocence Bamber has to prove that his adoptive sister Sheila carried out the murders and we all know that isn't going to happen any time soon. A waste of time and money it is then!
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Has another one of Jeremy's most ardent supporters fallen by the wayside? Poppy Ann Miller has closed her twitter account which was dedicated to supporting him. Also her latest blog at poppymeze.blogspot.co.uk mentions at the end that she has received a "to be signed for" letter from Jeremy. She does not disclose the contents of that letter but the twitter account was then closed. Maybe she refused to give him money and he has disposed of her!!
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You spoke too soon, Daisy. Her Twitter page has been revamped, with links to some particularly abusive and offensive contributions by Bamber's team...
http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/liars-lobby (http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/liars-lobby)
Have you severed all links with him since he unceremoniously dumped you, Daisy?
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You spoke too soon, Daisy. Her Twitter page has been revamped, with links to some particularly abusive and offensive contributions by Bamber's team...
http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/liars-lobby (http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/liars-lobby)
Have you severed all links with him since he unceremoniously dumped you, Daisy?
Thanks for the update Myster. I wonder what was in the letter. The team are getting pretty desperate now I think.
Actually he didn't dump me. I went to visit him one morning and didn't bother to go back in the afternoon. I then wrote to him and told him I had removed my number from his contacts and I wanted nothing more to do with him. I told him what a despicable person he was demanding money from me then being abusive when I refused to give it to him.
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His letter might have been a "signed-for" simply to stop it falling into the wrong hands (and sold on the internet, for example), his handwriting being easily recognised from letters delivered previously to the same address. Not much use second-guessing, though.
Doubt that his CT are likely to win many friends with their Liars Lobby.
Thanks for your clarification about breaking off contact.
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Me and David suspect Scipio may have switched from guilty to innocent. After watching Mike's last Youtube video. The one where Mike talks in an American accent.
Scipio being Scipio is too proud to admit this so has gone underground.
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Me and David suspect Scipio may have switched from guilty to innocent. After watching Mike's last Youtube video. The one where Mike talks in an American accent.
Scipio being Scipio is too proud to admit this so has gone underground.
... said with tongue firmly in your cheek, Adam.
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... said with tongue firmly in your cheek, Adam.
I wobbled when I saw it. Partly because Mike's American accent was so impressive.
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I wobbled when I saw it. Partly because Mike's American accent was so impressive.
Ho ho!! It really was, wasn't it? It was a bit reminiscent of Dick Van Dyke giving his cockney.
Anyhoo. Happy birthday, Jeremy Bamber. Ooh er, Friday the 13th. Enjoy yet another year of shitty food, ponce pals, old women writing to you about their shoes, and hope slipping away. It couldn't happen to a more deserving person.
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Thanks for the update Myster. I wonder what was in the letter. The team are getting pretty desperate now I think.
Actually he didn't dump me. I went to visit him one morning and didn't bother to go back in the afternoon. I then wrote to him and told him I had removed my number from his contacts and I wanted nothing more to do with him. I told him what a despicable person he was demanding money from me then being abusive when I refused to give it to him.
I have known you for a good few years now Daisy and have found you to be total honest and up front. You are one of a handful of people who have actually met Jeremy Bamber and truly know him. Some of Bamber's supporters could learn much from you.
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Me and David suspect Scipio may have switched from guilty to innocent. After watching Mike's last Youtube video. The one where Mike talks in an American accent.
Scipio being Scipio is too proud to admit this so has gone underground.
It's strange that Scipio just disappeared but this happens occasionally when people fall ill, die or are incarcerated. We lost one of our best liked moderators to ill health and worse a year ago, Anna is sadly missed.
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It's strange that Scipio just disappeared but this happens occasionally when people fall ill, die or are incarcerated. We lost one of our best liked moderators to ill health and worse a year ago, Anna is sadly missed.
Scipio just lost interest in this case and has moved on. He hasn't changed his opinion on Bamber - FAR from it.
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Scipio just lost interest in this case and has moved on. He hasn't changed his opinion on Bamber - FAR from it.
Yep. Scipio was brilliant, put everything into perspective, then moved on because he had better things to do than try to convert idiots. I know the feeling.
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Yep. Scipio was brilliant, put everything into perspective, then moved on because he had better things to do than try to convert idiots. I know the feeling.
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Samson.
Instead of spaffing out your solipsistic, ignorant shite, try reading up. You reckon that you know the Bain case inside and out. Do you, though?
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Samson.
Instead of spaffing out your solipsistic, ignorant shite, try reading up. You reckon that you know the Bain case inside and out. Do you, though?
The Bamber and Bain cases collide with the pattern of lying by relatives, lying by police, and trial judges not admitting important evidence, then in a substantial manner, instructing the juries to return guilty verdicts.
Any idea that this is a preposterous notion can be renounced by studying the cases of The West Memphis 3, the Norfolk 4, the Arthur Thomas and Teina Pora cases in New Zealand, the Amanda Knox case in Italy, the Russ Faria case, and a bunch of others where the parties have been EXONERATED. All these are easily researched.
I hope you develop your argument that Jeremy Bamber is guilty there. It is a serious thread seeking to explain bullet trajectories, wildly different coloration of June and Sheila's bodies and progression of livor mortis, data points that do not depend on the lying liar Julie Mugford, and gullible folks that see implausible scratches under a mantlepiece that were seen in original SOC photos to not exist.
I am sure in real life you are a compassionate soul, let us enjoy some proper analysis from you.
Myster has tried and failed.
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Looks like a challenge to me Myster?
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Looks like a challenge to me Myster?
If I were Myster, I don't think I'd bother.
Samson, I appreciate your reply to me, it was kinder than I deserve, but there are so many aspects of your theory that are just.....crap. Sorry.
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Looks like a challenge to me Myster?
John, the challenge is for everyone to produce a narrative that embraces all the evidence.
I have never seen one that goes close with Bamber doing the crime, and indeed never expect to.
The worst attempt was the one Carol Ann Lee trotted out in her book, which purports to be the official police one.
If that doesn't work, what are we discussing?
I have never seen one developed that explains the found scene, and the bullet trajectories through Nevill and Sheila and includes JEREMY BAMBER.
Is there one on this forum you can point me to?
I see you edited out a reference, fair enough, but there is no mystery about Puglove, she came out swinging before I even posted, fair enough too, but there are 10,000 posts on one thread at IA, and she claimed to have contributed early. IA has become a guilter free zone because they can't live in the crime scene as discovered by Taff Jones and his merry men.
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If I were Myster, I don't think I'd bother.
Samson, I appreciate your reply to me, it was kinder than I deserve, but there are so many aspects of your theory that are just.....crap. Sorry.
Well, I have given the case a lot of thought, with a fresh mind. I have learned little can be learned from the police prosecutor jury judge verdict appeal sequence. In so many cases the die is cast with the laying of charges, we must look right outside all that, and go straight to the found crime scene, which in this case looks like murder suicide.
If that poses indisputable data points that require a more complex solution, so be it, but this crime scene is not such an animal.
As an exercise, suggest to me the most difficult datapoint for Jeremy to explain away, and I will do it for him right here.
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Yep. Scipio was brilliant, put everything into perspective, then moved on because he had better things to do than try to convert idiots. I know the feeling.
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Ha, ha! Don't we all.
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John, the challenge is for everyone to produce a narrative that embraces all the evidence.
I have never seen one that goes close with Bamber doing the crime, and indeed never expect to.
The worst attempt was the one Carol Ann Lee trotted out in her book, which purports to be the official police one.
If that doesn't work, what are we discussing?
I have never seen one developed that explains the found scene, and the bullet trajectories through Nevill and Sheila and includes JEREMY BAMBER.
Is there one on this forum you can point me to?
I see you edited out a reference, fair enough, but there is no mystery about Puglove, she came out swinging before I even posted, fair enough too, but there are 10,000 posts on one thread at IA, and she claimed to have contributed early. IA has become a guilter free zone because they can't live in the crime scene as discovered by Taff Jones and his merry men.
The White House Farm murders case is really very simple. By virtue of Jeremy Bamber's own evidence the only two people with inside access to the farmhouse were Jeremy and Sheila. The forensic evidence clearly points to five murders which rules Sheila out. The further evidence in the form of statements by several witnesses clearly implicates Jeremy Bamber. That is the crux of it, if anyone was ever guilty of mass murder it is Jeremy Bamber.
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I re posted this scenario yesterday. A 'narrative' of how Bamber committed the massacre that matches the crime scene.
Cycle to WHF:
Evidence - Bike available. Easy journey. Unseen passing no dwellings. Quick journey. Bike taken to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre.
Get into WHF
Evidence - Bathroom window already loose or open. Quiet ground floor entrance. Bamber said he knew how to get in through this window. Bamber said found hacksaw by the window which was used on the window, was his hacksaw.
Pick up rifle:
Evidence ' Fully loaded rifle available as stated by Bamber.
Enter main bedroom:
Evidence - Two adults in this room who must be killed first as potential to provide most resistance.
Shoot an in bed June and Neville:
Evidence - 10 shots were fired in the main bedroom suggesting rifle was emptied in opening salvo. June and Neville shot in or near the bed.
Go to reload or chase Neville:
Evidence - Spare bullets found in kitchen. Neville found in kitchen after a kitchen fight.
Kitchen fight:
Evidence - Neville was brutally beaten there. Upturned and smashed kitchen items. Scratch marks on aga.
Shoot and kill a knocked out Neville:
Evidence - Four kitchen head shots into Neville.
Reload. Return upstairs:
Evidence - Further shots fired. All other shots upstairs.
Wake and persuade or force Sheila into the main bedroom. Or carry a sleeping Sheila. Or shoot an already awake Sheila who had moved into the main bedroom.
Evidence - Sheila found shot in the corner of main bedroom.
Shoot June once more:
Evidence - June had moved a few feet. Final head shot required.
Reload, shoot the sleeping twins:
Evidence - Twins shot 8 times in bed. Amount of bullets used shows two reloads carried out on the night.
Twins likely to stay asleep behind shut door in another room during massacre.Upstairs massacre had been quiet, with silencer on rifle. June and Sheila putting up minimal resistance. Nevill's resistance was downstairs.
Stage the scene:
Evidence - Gun and bible by Sheila. Silencer put in a box. Neville's body moved to give easy access to naked back. Nevill's back burnt to check for signs of life.
Exit out of kitchen window:
Evidence - Twenty sources say it can be banged shut from outside.
Housekeeper said items around the window had been moved.
Crime scene photo's show only vertical lock in shut position.
Cycle home:
Evidence - Bike found at Bambers cottage.
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David made me reconcider this scenario & I agree Bamber may have fired one bullet each into the twins first, before entering the main bedroom. Returning later to the twins to fire another 6 bullets.
I can't see the point in Bamber shooting 8 bullets into the twins first, then going downstairs to reload.
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I re posted this scenario yesterday. A 'narrative' of how Bamber committed the massacre that matches the crime scene.
Cycle to WHF:
Evidence - Bike available. Easy journey. Unseen passing no dwellings. Quick journey. Bike taken to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre.
Get into WHF
Evidence - Bathroom window already loose or open. Quiet ground floor entrance. Bamber said he knew how to get in through this window. Bamber said found hacksaw by the window which was used on the window, was his hacksaw.
Pick up rifle:
Evidence ' Fully loaded rifle available as stated by Bamber.
Enter main bedroom:
Evidence - Two adults in this room who must be killed first as potential to provide most resistance.
Shoot an in bed June and Neville:
Evidence - 10 shots were fired in the main bedroom suggesting rifle was emptied in opening salvo. June and Neville shot in or near the bed.
Go to reload or chase Neville:
Evidence - Spare bullets found in kitchen. Neville found in kitchen after a kitchen fight.
Kitchen fight:
Evidence - Neville was brutally beaten there. Upturned and smashed kitchen items. Scratch marks on aga.
Shoot and kill a knocked out Neville:
Evidence - Four kitchen head shots into Neville.
Reload. Return upstairs:
Evidence - Further shots fired. All other shots upstairs.
Wake and persuade or force Sheila into the main bedroom. Or carry a sleeping Sheila. Or shoot an already awake Sheila who had moved into the main bedroom.
Evidence - Sheila found shot in the corner of main bedroom.
Shoot June once more:
Evidence - June had moved a few feet. Final head shot required.
Reload, shoot the sleeping twins:
Evidence - Twins shot 8 times in bed. Amount of bullets used shows two reloads carried out on the night.
Twins likely to stay asleep behind shut door in another room during massacre.Upstairs massacre had been quiet, with silencer on rifle. June and Sheila putting up minimal resistance. Nevill's resistance was downstairs.
Stage the scene:
Evidence - Gun and bible by Sheila. Silencer put in a box. Neville's body moved to give easy access to naked back. Nevill's back burnt to check for signs of life.
Exit out of kitchen window:
Evidence - Twenty sources say it can be banged shut from outside.
Housekeeper said items around the window had been moved.
Crime scene photo's show only vertical lock in shut position.
Cycle home:
Evidence - Bike found at Bambers cottage.
A good post Adam which gives new readers unfamiliar with the case a general insight into what actually occurred. I think the problem for most sceptics is that they just don't understand what occurs when someone shoots themself in the neck with a .22 rifle. The forensics clearly indicate that Sheila did not shoot herself twice in the throat as they wrongly claim which leaves only one person who was in a position to do so and that was Jeremy Bamber.
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David made me reconcider this scenario & I agree Bamber may have fired one bullet each into the twins first, before entering the main bedroom. Returning later to the twins to fire another 6 bullets.
I can't see the point in Bamber shooting 8 bullets into the twins first, then going downstairs to reload.
I have thought long and hard about this too and the timing of the shootings. One other issue is where was Sheila when all this was going on, was she locked in her room or was she temporarily subdued in some way?
The forensic analysis of her hands and nails shows that she was not involved in a fight for her life never mind any fictional altercation with her father in the kitchen so I tend to go with the latter. David Boutflour commented that Sheila was found with hardly a hair out of place and he was right. In addition, there were no contortions visible on her face which there should have been for someone who was conscious and shot in the neck with a rifle. My own view is that Sheila was unconscious before being murdered.
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I have thought long and hard about this too and the timing of the shootings. One other issue is where was Sheila when all this was going on, was she locked in her room or was she temporarily subdued in some way?
The forensic analysis of her hands and nails shows that she was not involved in a fight for her life never mind any fictional altercation with her father in the kitchen so I tend to go with the latter. David Boutflour commented that Sheila was found with hardly a hair out of place and he was right. In addition, there were no contortions visible on her face which there should have been for someone who was conscious and shot in the neck with a rifle. My own view is that Sheila was unconscious before being murdered.
I have often said Sheila may slept through it all. The twins didn't wake, although as mentioned there was a slim chance they were shot first.
There was minimal upstairs noise. Bamber crept upstairs June was shot several times, once in the throat and instantly negated/killed. Nevill ran straight downstairs while being shot. The rifle had a silencer on.
The kitchen fight was downstairs and was violent but quick. Sheila upstairs asleep behind a closed door and under sedation is unlikely to be woken, at a time when she would be in a deep sleep.
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A good post Adam which gives new readers unfamiliar with the case a general insight into what actually occurred. I think the problem for most sceptics is that they just don't understand what occurs when someone shoots themself in the neck with a .22 rifle. The forensics clearly indicate that Sheila did not shoot herself twice in the throat as they wrongly claim which leaves only one person who was in a position to do so and that was Jeremy Bamber.
Yes, I let the evidence lead me into how Bamber committed the massacre. Everything Bamber did is backed up by the crime scene evidence.
All Sheila scenarios have a lot of different and personalised very unlikely visions of different incidents happening. These have no evidence to back it up.
Such as Nevill & Sheila had a 3am conversation about fostering , and Nevill let Sheila load the rifle and go upstairs with it, while he rang Bamber. There is no evidence this happened. However these visions need to be included to complete a breakdown of how Sheila did it.
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Yes, I let the evidence lead me into how Bamber committed the massacre. Everything Bamber did is backed up by the crime scene evidence.
All Sheila scenarios have a lot of different and personalised very unlikely visions of different incidents happening. These have no evidence to back it up.
Such as Nevill & Sheila had a 3am conversation about fostering , and Nevill let Sheila load the rifle and go upstairs with it, while he rang Bamber. There is no evidence this happened. However these visions need to be included to complete a breakdown of how Sheila did it.
Absolutely, the CCRC will never entertain such rubbish ever.
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As Grisson in CSI says, follow the evidence.
There won't be any blanks which need to be filled in with visions on what may have been said.
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I have made many challenges to Bamber supporters over the years to prove their claims but as yet none has been able to do so. Not really surprising given what we know.
I destroyed every single conspiracy theory Mike Tesko ever came up with, not surprising he banned me from his idiotic forum.
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I have often said Sheila may slept through it all. The twins didn't wake, although as mentioned there was a slim chance they were shot first.
There was minimal upstairs noise. Bamber crept upstairs June was shot several times, once in the throat and instantly negated/killed. Nevill ran straight downstairs while being shot. The rifle had a silencer on.
The kitchen fight was downstairs and was violent but quick. Sheila upstairs asleep behind a closed door and under sedation is unlikely to be woken, at a time when she would be in a deep sleep.
Wasn't there evidence to suggest Sheila hadn't been to bed ?
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Wasn't there evidence to suggest Sheila hadn't been to bed ?
There was no evidence. Supporters claim Sheila's bed had not been slept in. But how can anyone tell ?
The evidence is Sheila was found bare footed in her nightdress. Which is what you would expect her to be wearing in bed.
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Me and David suspect Scipio may have switched from guilty to innocent. After watching Mike's last Youtube video. The one where Mike talks in an American accent.
Scipio being Scipio is too proud to admit this so has gone underground.
Scipio gave his reasons for going "underground".
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7559.msg352550#msg352550
Basically he said there's nothing new to debate and if/when there is he will return. Sounds sensible to me. I don't think we should assume that if someone stops posting he/she has changed his/her mind. I've been over on IA but again its all been done to death now and posters have drifted off. It's a time time consuming hobby and most people lead busy lives.
David1819 posted up some trial transcipts on IA which are certainly not here and I don't think they're on Blue. Think perhaps David had to talk very nicely to the dear ladies on the CT 8(0(*
I will talk to Admin about getting them uploaded to the library for future ref but in the meantime if anyone's interested please find attached the following trial transcripts:
Malcolm Fletcher
John Hayward
Prof Knight
Dr Vanezis
The difference between version 1 and 2 of MF's testimony is that version 1 contains the opening page and version 2 doesn't. But version 2 does contain a page or two that version 1 doesn't but I haven't worked out which ones! Hope that makes sense!
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John Hayward:
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Prof Knight:
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Some of the docs are not uploading. I suspect the files are too large so I will have to figure out a way of separating them.
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Anyway the docs throw up some interesting points.
- Prof Knight states in his opinion the marks to NB's back were not burns. I have always thought this as it makes no sense to me that either SC or JB would single NB out for burning.
- Dr Vanezis states a graze wound to June's chest could have been caused by a bullet. Effectively an 8th bullet. If this is so it would account for the fourth bullet found in the bedroom DRH/5.
- He also states the soles of NB's feet were clean. If NB was involved in some sort of "violent struggle" with the perp then why would the perp sustain bloodstaining and debris attaching to the soles but not NB?
- Malcolm Fletcher starts his testimony by answering the prosecutors questions about his experience. He includes a small amount of experience with an air gun as a boy. Not sure if he was being serious or just trying to inject some humour into the proceedings. To my mind this seems a very strange thing for an expert witness to state at a criminal trial involving mass murder.
- He sounds frighteningly incompetent. He talks about breaking a nail during his tests on the rifle. When asked how long he kept his nails he replied short but not right down to the cuticle! For those that don't know what a cuticle is its the little whitish bit at the base of the nail. Lets put it this way if your nails were down by your cuticles you would have virtually 95% plus exposed nail bed 8)><(
- He is asked about SC's nightdress and states it was checked for the presence of various firearm discharge residues including gun oil and found none. He states that these residues would exit the barrel (or silencer) side vents and casing ejection port. All concerned seem to overlook the fact that the rifle was found on SC's nightdress/person so whether she committed suicide or was murdered surely some residues would be expected from the firearm being fired over her body and residues that deposited on the rifle from the other 23/24 shots?
- Both Malcolm Fletcher and John Hayward say they came to the conclusion the silencer was attached on the basis that that a pull though (special cloth for checking barrel of rifle) was free of blood. And yet we know from a world expert on gunshot wounds - something Malcolm Fletcher and John Hayward were clearly not - that examinations of hundreds of firearms involved in contact gunshot wounds do not result in blood in or on the barrel. In fact its about 50 : 50 and that's with a cross range of firearms it would probably be less with low calibre firearms such as the one used at WHF.
No doubt all concerned were completely out of their depth with this unusual soc for Little Britian ie a mass shooting. When I say all concerned I am referring to the trial judge, defence, prosecution and expert witnesses. It is easy for me to say this now as at a click of a button I can turn up forensic textbooks and show that much of what the jury was told at trial was simply wrong or overlooked.
I came to the conclusion that Malcolm Fletcher was either grossly incompetent or deliberately misled the court for whatever reason(s). I wouldn't be surprised to one day learn he has been taken in for questioning.
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Ho ho!! It really was, wasn't it? It was a bit reminiscent of Dick Van Dyke giving his cockney.
Anyhoo. Happy birthday, Jeremy Bamber. Ooh er, Friday the 13th. Enjoy yet another year of shitty food, ponce pals, old women writing to you about their shoes, and hope slipping away. It couldn't happen to a more deserving person.
But Pugsy haven't you read ... Jeremy is getting out this year! It must be so coz Jeremy told us on his blog! "Hope slipping away" .... I would say it takes less than 30 years to get to the "slipping away" stage! ;)
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But Pugsy haven't you read ... Jeremy is getting out this year! It must be so coz Jeremy told us on his blog! "Hope slipping away" .... I would say it takes less than 30 years to get to the "slipping away" stage! ;)
Hallo Biggus!! Are you still an International Man of Mystery? 8(>((
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Hallo Biggus!! Are you still an International Man of Mystery? 8(>((
I am thank you Shona The Wise and what's more I have a new home in a new country and I am not telling any f..kers on line where that is! Neither of us need those stalking Tesco weirdos bothering us again do we! ;) How's Pug Life ... hope all is well with you and yours?
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I am thank you Shona The Wise and what's more I have a new home in a new country and I am not telling any f..kers on line where that is! Neither of us need those stalking Tesco weirdos bothering us again do we! ;) How's Pug Life ... hope all is well with you and yours?
Wherever, I hope you're still able to ride the white stuff.
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Well, Trudi Benjamin has recently completed some form of Crowd Funding in order to obtain the necessary funds for the purpose of enabling expert evidence to be obtained upon the issue of the kitchen window at White House Farm.
However, the oral evidence at the Trial from Julie Mugford was that Bamber informed her that he departed White House Farm by means of that window - apparently if it was slammed shut from the outside it enabled it to appear as though it was locked from the inside.
Further, the oral evidence of DCI Barlow at the Trial was that he managed to replicate that very process.
So, even if it's now possible for that window to be examined (perhaps the window has changed in the last 30 or so years and, of course, there is no Court Order which compels the existing owner of White House Farm to permit any examination of the window), it will have NO evidential weight.
I fully expect the CCRC to reject any Application which is presented to it.
Thereafter, no doubt, Trudi Benjamin will seek further Crowd Funding to raise more money for the purpose of funding an Application for Judicial Review.
Inevitably, any such Application would be doomed to fail.
When will this madness end?
That, of course, is a rhetorical question - it will end upon Bamber's death in Prison !
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I agree any further tests re the windows will be a complete waste of time and money. The CCRC will simply reject it on the basis it does not meet the criteria of "new evidence":
Hearing new evidence
The Court of Appeal may hear new evidence that was not adduced in the original proceedings (section 23(1)(c) Criminal Appeal Act 1968), if:
it appears capable of belief;
it may afford any ground for allowing the appeal;
it would have been admissible;
it is an issue which is the subject of the appeal;
there is a reasonable explanation for the failure to adduce it.
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/a_to_c/appeals_to_the_court_of_appeal/#a02
According to the CoA, document notes from DC Barlow state the following:
273. Further complaint is made that the prosecution failed to disclose the fact that DC Barlow examined the windows of White House Farm on 22 August 1985 and noted nothing of significance in relation to the bathroom window. His statement of 21 November 1985 indicates that:
"on Thursday the 22nd of August I was on duty when I went to White House Farm. There I made an examination of the kitchen window"
There is no reference in the statement to the bathroom window. 274. In notes written for the Essex Review (after trial) he wrote:
"22/8/85 first opportunity to go to White House Farm. Examined all the windows. Most are sash type and could be opened from outside but could not be closed"
The following statement was read to the jury as part of the defence case:
64. In contrast with Sergeant Golding, DCI Jones made a statement dated 7 October 1985 in which he reported that he had attended at the farm at approximately 9.15 a.m. on 7 August and he had proceeded to check every room on the ground floor of the house and found that on the ground floor all the windows in the house were secure and locked except the window to the dairy. That statement was read to the Jury as part of the Defence case.
And the judge said the following:
As the trial Judge said (at page 10E):
"… how he got there and out again whether by the kitchen window or any other means, though of interest, cannot affect the outcome of the case"
Afaik JB always maintained he could enter WHF via windows but he did not know a way in which he could exit via windows and leave the property secure from within.
The only thing I am 100% certain of is that JB's conviction will never be overturned as a result of the windows.
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I am thank you Shona The Wise and what's more I have a new home in a new country and I am not telling any f..kers on line where that is! Neither of us need those stalking Tesco weirdos bothering us again do we! ;) How's Pug Life ... hope all is well with you and yours?
All good thank you, Timbo. I'm still living in the land of poo!
It's good to know that you're still out there. 8((()*/
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Me and David suspect Scipio may have switched from guilty to innocent. After watching Mike's last Youtube video. The one where Mike talks in an American accent.
Scipio being Scipio is too proud to admit this so has gone underground.
As usual you and David don't know squat. There is nothing new to talk about that is why I have not been posting. In contrast there is plenty new to talk about regarding politics and other cases.
I already laid out my positions and supported them quite conclusively.
In the other hand those who claim he is innocent have come up with only sheer nonsense as a basis for their position. That nonsense has already been thoroughly demolished time and again.
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Welcome back Scipio! Even if only temporarily. 8@??)(