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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Brietta on March 08, 2017, 06:30:04 PM
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There appears to have been a war of attrition conducted against the McCanns at every opportunity by elements within the Policia Judiciaria. This despite a bit of a respite when Rebelo replaced Amaral as case coordinator and in the main stopped the press leaks which had been so pejorative to Madeleine's parents.
The majority of people in the McCann's situation would have crumbled. That they did not might have been fuelled by the knowledge that if they had there would have been no-one looking for Madeleine.
Their experience had highlighted for them the deficits in provision for missing people and missing children throughout Europe.
They decided to be proactive in campaigning for improvement to that provision. Helping others while helping Madeleine.
There could only have been one source for the leak to the (Spanish?) press; their movements were known suggesting not only was there a campaign to undermine and destroy them, but to undermine every positive action associated with them. One can only wonder why.
ITV1 'Madeleine, One Year On' documentary
Kate and Gerry also spoke about their anger over parts of the statements they gave to the Portuguese police being leaked.
While they were being filmed for the documentary in Brussels where they were campaigning for a Europe wide Amber Alert system they discovered that parts of their witness statements had been given to the press.
"They've had those statements for eleven and a half months," said Kate. "Why today on all days when we’re in Brussels trying to do something positive have they been given to a journalist?
"And it also appears that you know the bits of the statement which have been chosen which I have to say we've told police absolutely everything, because we wanted to give everything to find out what's happened, but the bits that have been chosen have been picked out of context intentionally to smear us and I think you know the whole thing is to you know detract from what we’re doing today and I feel absolutely gutted. I think it's an absolute disgrace," Kate commented.
"I'm really angry. Judicial secrecy should apply to everybody," she added.
"It’s not coincidence. I think it's a sad indictment of a system that we’ve had to put up with," Gerry said.
http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id453.htm
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There appears to have been a war of attrition conducted against the McCanns at every opportunity by elements within the Policia Judiciaria.
Is that really any surprise given the Tweedledee and Tweedledum comments not to mention the f_cking tosser remark?
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Some of the things said by the card writer are factual, and may have been mentioned many times. You referred to 'this sentiment', however, which means you were referring to everything the writer said. That is what I objected to.
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Is that really any surprise given the Tweedledee and Tweedledum comments not to mention the f_cking tosser remark?
When was it known the simile was used, John? I think it was first mentioned in Kate's book.
Cursing under her breath when Paiva was indicating the location of areas where 'the scent of death' had been indicated was also in MADELEINE.
Therefore neither heinous occurrence goes anywhere near justifying the hate campaign to which the police subjected them. Irrespective of how thin skinned and beholden to 'honour' either dum and dee or Paiva may have been.
They could hardly have been offended by something they did not know about. Whereas the police attitude to the McCanns could be read on the front pages of the Portuguese press very early into the campaign against them.
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When was it known the simile was used, John? I think it was first mentioned in Kate's book.
Cursing under her breath when Paiva was indicating the location of areas where 'the scent of death' had been indicated was also in MADELEINE.
Therefore neither heinous occurrence goes anywhere near justifying the hate campaign to which the police subjected them to. Irrespective of how thin skinned and beholden to 'honour' either dum and dee or Paiva may have been.
They could hardly have been offended by something they did not know about. Whereas the police attitude to the McCanns could be read on the front pages of the Portuguese press very early into the campaign against them.
'...the hate campaign to which the police subjected them to...'
That is pure B.S., IMO , and it comes from an unapologetic Mccann supporter.
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As I stated the other day, it is noticeable the increased 'output' from the Mccann supporters, which appears to be a vague, or perhaps more accurately pointless attempt to show the McCann's in a better light.
Too late.
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Some of the things said by the card writer are factual, and may have been mentioned many times. You referred to 'this sentiment', however, which means you were referring to everything the writer said. That is what I objected to.
What is the sentiment expressed in the Christmas card that you object to then?
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What is the sentiment expressed in the Christmas card that you object to then?
As I believe you already know I dislike bad language and I don't stoop to personal abuse.
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As I believe you already know I dislike bad language and I don't stoop to personal abuse.
The bad language was extraneous to the sentiment being expressed. Take out the expletives and what have you got? Views or sentiments that most "sceptics" agree with wholeheartedly, but do you really think if the card had been sent without the bad language it would have been any less upsetting and disturbing for the McCanns to have received?
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The film shows Gerry reading a Christmas greeting from one of his Anti-fans:
"How can you use money given by poor people in good faith to pay your mortgage on your mansion? You f....ing thieving b......s. Your brat is dead because of your drunken arrogance. Shame on you. I curse you and your family to suffer forever. Cursed Christmas. If you had any shame, you would accept full responsibility for your daughter's disappearance and give all the money back. You are s..m."
Who here among the McCanns' detractors would disagree with this sentiment 9 years on?
The most offensive part of this "Christmas greeting" is not the f..ing or the b...... or the s..m but The "your brat" and "Cursed Christmas"
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The bad language was extraneous to the sentiment being expressed. Take out the expletives and what have you got? Views or sentiments that most "sceptics" agree with wholeheartedly, but do you really think if the card had been sent without the bad language it would have been any less upsetting and disturbing for the McCanns to have received?
The bad language was very much part of the message and revealed what kind of person wrote the card. I don't agree with what that person did. In fact I find it incomprehensible that anyone would make the effort to be honest.
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My money is on that card having been written by someone with above average intelligence, trying to appear oikish.
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My money is on that card having been written by someone with above average intelligence, trying to appear oikish.
I cant see how anyone with those sentiments could have above average intelligence...
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The bad language was very much part of the message and revealed what kind of person wrote the card. I don't agree with what that person did. In fact I find it incomprehensible that anyone would make the effort to be honest.
But like I said initially, most "sceptics" agree with the sentiment, yourself included as you refer to the Christmas card as containing "facts". This sentiment you seem to agree with has been repeated thousands upon thousands of times on the internet, sometimes with accompanying expletives, sometimes not, but it's clearly there for all to read, including the McCanns, their children, their wider family, no need to spend money on a card or a stamp. Compare the effort taken to write and post one card with all the effort you have put in over the years to promulgate online the "facts" as you call them that appear in the Christmas card.
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I cant see how anyone with those sentiments could have above average intelligence...
It's there if one knows what one is looking for. There are two dead giveaways and a "specialist" give away.
I would expect supporters to argue black's white that it couldn't have been written by someone of above average intelligence because they simply could not bear the idea...it flies in the face of one of their basic tenets.
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The most offensive part of this "Christmas greeting" is not the f..ing or the b...... or the s..m but The "your brat" and "Cursed Christmas"
All of it is offensive, Erngath, but I find the foul language the least of it. What kind of mindset is it that allows a person to take time out to write the sentiment ... "I curse you and your family to suffer forever." ... and address it to a family who have no idea where their daughter is or if she is alive or dead.
The card with its Christmas snowman on the front and its poisonous sentiment inside was dropped into a box marked "Nasty" ... I cannot imagine what it must be like to require such a box to file and categorise my mail ... I cannot imagine the type of person who makes one necessary.
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All of it is offensive, Erngath, but I find the foul language the least of it. What kind of mindset is it that allows a person to take time out to write the sentiment ... "I curse you and your family to suffer forever." ... and address it to a family who have no idea where their daughter is or if she is alive or dead.
The card with its Christmas snowman on the front and its poisonous sentiment inside was dropped into a box marked "Nasty" ... I cannot imagine what it must be like to require such a box to file and categorise my mail ... I cannot imagine the type of person who makes one necessary.
You seem to be in strawman territory again. The card wasn't written by a sceptic on this forum yet you seem to be supporting Alfie in using it as an excuse to attack them.
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You seem to be in strawman territory again. The card wasn't written by a sceptic on this forum yet you seem to be supporting Alfie in using it as an excuse to attack them.
Lump everyone who disbelieves the McCanns together. It makes it so much easier to make it look like a campaign.
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You seem to be in strawman territory again. The card wasn't written by a sceptic on this forum yet you seem to be supporting Alfie in using it as an excuse to attack them.
I don't read that into it.
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When it comes to the various hate mail that Madeleine's parents received I am rather reluctant to see it as being the actions of one particular 'side' and therefore expect that sought of behavior from them all. These people who feel the need to impose themselves on a family's grief and misery do so for selfish reasons and in the hope that what they send will in some way destroy their resolve. These people have always existed and always will. They have latched onto this case to make it about them, how they feel, how they are offended and angry that the McCanns have according to them, escaped justice.
But these people are a minority I believe, and certainly do not in my mind represent all of those people who have a differing theory as to what happened that night back in May 2007.
Anyone who has followed the case from the early days will know as well as anyone just how twisted certain people became and behaved regardless of their beliefs. The only thing they had in common was how they chose to manifest this which was always abusive and making it very personal beyond merely debate on the internet.
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When it comes to the various hate mail that Madeleine's parents received I am rather reluctant to see it as being the actions of one particular 'side' and therefore expect that sought of behavior from them all. These people who feel the need to impose themselves on a family's grief and misery do so for selfish reasons and in the hope that what they send will in some way destroy their resolve. These people have always existed and always will. They have latched onto this case to make it about them, how they feel, how they are offended and angry that the McCanns have according to them, escaped justice.
But these people are a minority I believe, and certainly do not in my mind represent all of those people who have a differing theory as to what happened that night back in May 2007.
Anyone who has followed the case from the early days will know as well as anyone just how twisted certain people became and behaved regardless of their beliefs. The only thing they had in common was how they chose to manifest this which was always abusive and making it very personal beyond merely debate on the internet.
Have you read some of the material directed at Amaral, on the Mccann supporter forums, and twitter ?
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Have you read some of the material directed at Amaral, on the Mccann supporter forums, and twitter ?
Very much so, which is why I have always said, on this thread too that this is certainly not a one way street. As yet though, I have not seen any clear and specific threats of harm to Snr Amaral anywhere close to those that have been directed at Madeleine's family, including the twins.
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Very much so, which is why I have always said, on this thread too that this is certainly not a one way street. As yet though, I have not seen any clear and specific threats of harm to Snr Amaral anywhere close to those that have been directed at Madeleine's family, including the twins.
Then I suggest you read around.
The extremes at both ends of the spectrum are quite disturbed.
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All of it is offensive, Erngath, but I find the foul language the least of it. What kind of mindset is it that allows a person to take time out to write the sentiment ... "I curse you and your family to suffer forever." ... and address it to a family who have no idea where their daughter is or if she is alive or dead.
The card with its Christmas snowman on the front and its poisonous sentiment inside was dropped into a box marked "Nasty" ... I cannot imagine what it must be like to require such a box to file and categorise my mail ... I cannot imagine the type of person who makes one necessary.
Nor can I.
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My money is on that card having been written by someone with above average intelligence, trying to appear oikish.
Reading it again, I think you're onto something.
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Reading it again, I think you're onto something.
LOL, is Alice owning up to writing the card? "Above average intelligence trying to appear oikish" sums him up to a tee.
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LOL, is Alice owning up to writing the card? "Above average intelligence trying to appear oikish" sums him up to a tee.
You can rule me out. Not intelligent enough to write the card.
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Then I suggest you read around.
The extremes at both ends of the spectrum are quite disturbed.
I am slowly doing so each evening, catching up on different things and the internet personalities doing the rounds. When it comes to the case of Madeleine, the amount of data online is vast
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Then I suggest you read around.
The extremes at both ends of the spectrum are quite disturbed.
Do you see things from both sides?
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Do you see things from both sides?
I observe behaviour Rob.
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I observe behaviour Rob.
What about self analysis?
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LOL, is Alice owning up to writing the card? "Above average intelligence trying to appear oikish" sums him up to a tee.
Oh rather old stick. Never let it be said otherwise.
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Lump everyone who disbelieves the McCanns together. It makes it so much easier to make it look like a campaign.
A bit like Alice's Restaurant ?{)(**
"And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement".
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LOL, is Alice owning up to writing the card? "Above average intelligence trying to appear oikish" sums him up to a tee.
Not me chief; I know how to swear properly. Not everyone does and the card was written by someone who falls into that category.
Profanity is almost a language in its own right. Take for example the word f**k)ing. It has an amazing number of properties. It is an adjective, an adverb, a noun and a verb; then as a verb it may be transitive, intransitive, active and passive. So juts like in any other language words have to be used in the right place and when used in speech the accentuation has to be correct.
?{)(**