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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: misty on August 18, 2016, 01:14:24 AM

Title: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: misty on August 18, 2016, 01:14:24 AM
The ex-PM may have made another rod for SY/Mrs May's back.
http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/the-boy-who-disappeared-should-be-treated-the-same-as-maddie-mccann-forest-relatives-tell-pm/story-29622178-detail/story.html?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Brietta on August 18, 2016, 04:20:09 PM
The ex-PM may have made another rod for SY/Mrs May's back.
http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/the-boy-who-disappeared-should-be-treated-the-same-as-maddie-mccann-forest-relatives-tell-pm/story-29622178-detail/story.html?

With the best will in the world I don't think it is helpful that people are physically looking and disturbing the soil in the area where it is thought Damien might be buried.
I think it is possible they may disturb evidence of the exact spot resulting in him never being found if he is there.
The campaign should be directed towards either having an intensive police search of the area or raising finance for a professionally led search directing the volunteers and recording each step of the dig. 
 
I can understand the pain of the family who only want to find their son.

I applaud their understanding of the plight of Madeleine's family and their refusal to grudge the attention currently given to it from the authorities.
They only want what the family of any missing person needs ... and that is discovering what happened to their loved one ... I sincerely hope the authorities look into the intelligence the family have gathered and act accordingly.
https://www.change.org/p/help-us-find-damien-nettles

**snip
"In the early days my sister was on TV programmes like Richard and Judy but as a family we learned very early on that it all goes cold very quickly unless you can keep the case in the public eye like the McCann's did with Maddie.

"If my little girl was missing I would do exactly the same thing as them, but it can be very frustrating for us because people only seem to be interested on small children and teenage girls going missing. My sister did not get whisked away on Richard Branson's private jet to meet the Pope.
http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/the-boy-who-disappeared-should-be-treated-the-same-as-maddie-mccann-forest-relatives-tell-pm/story-29622178-detail/story.html?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: carlymichelle on March 13, 2017, 02:01:42 PM
MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says millions have been spent on hunt for Maddie and only £2,500 on other kids

Channel 5 host also asked why the McCanns are suing Karen Matthews when focus should be on finding their lost child
By Emma Gritt
13th March 2017, 11:03 am
Updated: 13th March 2017, 12:26 pm

MATTHEW Wright claims the parents of missing children have been “short-changed” by the Government after it ploughed millions of pounds into looking for Madeleine McCann and only £2,500 on other missing children.

Speaking on today’s The Wright Stuff, the 51-year-old presenter discussed the new £85,000 cash injection given to Kate and Gerry McCann to track down a “person of interest” loitering near the Portuguese holiday resort the night their daughter went missing.
Matthew Wright highlighted the 'extraordinary' amount of money that has been spent searching for Maddie over the past 10 years



He explained: “The money has got to be interesting to the wider public.

“This follows the £10million fund that David Cameron ordered was ‘ring fenced’ specifically to help find her.

“£10million got nowhere over the past two years – £85k in comparison does sound like a last roll of the dice.

“It doesn’t sound like it will get much further than this final investigation.


Police want to quiz an ex-employee of the holiday resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared in 2007

“It is an extraordinary case and an extraordinary amount of money – it’s heartbreaking for all concerned.”

Maddie is believed to have been snatched aged three from her parents’ holiday apartment while they had dinner with friends on the other side of the resort.


She was left sleeping alone with her toddler twin siblings who survived the mysterious incident unharmed.

Matthew then presented some key facts that made the huge sums spent looking for the missing child look even more extreme.

He said: “Three hundred children go missing and are not found again in the UK every year and on average the police expenditure on each child that isn’t found is £2,500.

Kate and Gerry McCann are desperately trying to keep the search for Madeleine alive

“The search continues and more threats of writs from the McCann parents.

“I think there was even some talk about them taking action again Karen Matthews.

“That seems to me like the last thing people should focus on when their child is missing.”

Matthew’s comments come hours after Good Morning Britain fans slammed the doctor duo for the £11m spent to date looking for their missing daughter.
Madeleine McCann: Police funding extended to keep search alive


https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/3076082/matthew-wright-claims-parents-of-missing-children-have-been-short-changed-compared-to-kate-and-gerry-mccann/

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Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 13, 2017, 02:22:45 PM
The McCanns are suing Karen Matthews?!  That's news to me.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 13, 2017, 02:47:54 PM
"Maddie is believed to have been snatched aged three from her parents’ holiday apartment while they had dinner with friends on the other side of the resort."

I suppose Emma Gritt is going to make the odd mistake or two as the article is in TV and showbiz.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: jassi on March 13, 2017, 02:55:14 PM
The McCanns are suing Karen Matthews?!  That's news to me.

Probably just the usual B/S we've come to expect.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 13, 2017, 07:19:49 PM
The McCanns are suing Karen Matthews?!  That's news to me.
I could imagine they feel like suing her.  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4266966/Karen-Matthews-scathing-attack-Kate-McCann-Dreadful-Mum.html
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: jassi on March 13, 2017, 07:37:55 PM
I could imagine they feel like suing her.  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4266966/Karen-Matthews-scathing-attack-Kate-McCann-Dreadful-Mum.html

Yeah, they'd get a lot of money out of her. Fancy even CR would decline that one   @)(++(*
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 13, 2017, 07:40:55 PM
Yeah, they'd get a lot of money out of her. Fancy even CR would decline that one   @)(++(*
Anything to shut the evil b****h up would be advantageous to the search for Madeleine.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: slartibartfast on March 13, 2017, 07:43:07 PM
Anything to shut the evil b****h up would be advantageous to the search for Madeleine.

Do you know who Karen Matthews is?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: jassi on March 13, 2017, 07:44:20 PM
Anything to shut the evil b****h up would be advantageous to the search for Madeleine.

My, my you do take things to heart   @)(++(*
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 13, 2017, 07:53:27 PM
My, my you do take things to heart   @)(++(*
And that was toned down too. 
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 13, 2017, 08:02:07 PM
This thread has me curious how on average only 2500 pounds is spent on searching for a missing kid.

Is this because most are found so rapidly?
"MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says millions have been spent on hunt for Maddie and only £2,500 on other kids"
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 13, 2017, 08:08:47 PM
it seems that if you are a z list celebrity and you want some publicity....make an adverse comment about this case
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 13, 2017, 08:13:51 PM
This thread has me curious how on average only 2500 pounds is spent on searching for a missing kid.

Is this because most are found so rapidly?
"MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says millions have been spent on hunt for Maddie and only £2,500 on other kids"
Where did this factoid come from: "...£2,500 on other kids"
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 13, 2017, 08:13:56 PM
This thread has me curious how on average only 2500 pounds is spent on searching for a missing kid.

Is this because most are found so rapidly?
"MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says millions have been spent on hunt for Maddie and only £2,500 on other kids"

Do you only 'care' for Madeleine ?

Don't other children get a look in ?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 13, 2017, 08:27:40 PM
Do you only 'care' for Madeleine ?

Don't other children get a look in ?
It is not me dishing out the money or making policy.  Of course I'm concerned that is why I raised the point.  What is your stance?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 14, 2017, 01:06:07 AM
Do you know who Karen Matthews is?
I roughly know who she is.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2387391/karen-matthews-shannon-mum-fake-kidnap-case-cost/
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 14, 2017, 01:13:48 AM
Is it true that 300 children are not found after gone missing every year?  Is that just in the UK?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: John on March 14, 2017, 01:58:51 AM
Is it true that 300 children are not found after gone missing every year?  Is that just in the UK?

No, that's completely false.  In fact most under 18's who disappear are found within 48 hours.  Very few children disappear completely in the UK each year and are never found.

What is true however is that the amount of time, resources and money spent on the search for Madeleine McCann was wholly disproportionate to that spent on most other missing children cases.  No wonder the parents of other missing children are so angry.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 14, 2017, 07:52:04 AM
No, that's completely false.  In fact most under 18's who disappear are found within 48 hours.  Very few children disappear completely in the UK each year and are never found.

What is true however is that the amount of time, resources and money spent on the search for Madeleine McCann was wholly disproportionate to that spent on most other missing children cases.  No wonder the parents of other missing children are so angry.
How many children have not been found after 10 years in the UK?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 08:08:08 AM
How many children have not been found after 10 years in the UK?

yes...lets have some actual cases
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 14, 2017, 08:17:57 AM
So rob and dave, have you done a search ?

http://www.missingkids.co.uk/01-007561


http://www.missingkids.co.uk/03-000658


..and there are plenty more.

Why just the UK  ?

Madeleine disappeared in Portugal.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 08:21:47 AM
So rob and dave, have you done a search ?

http://www.missingkids.co.uk/01-007561


http://www.missingkids.co.uk/03-000658


..and there are plenty more.

Why just the UK  ?

Madeleine disappeared in Portugal.

we did all this 2 years ago...have you forgotten


so a child mising for 10 years

Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 14, 2017, 08:23:45 AM
we did all this 2 years ago...have you forgotten


so a child mising for 10 years

Why just 10 years ???

You and rob seem fixated with this number.

Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 08:31:25 AM
Why just 10 years ???

You and rob seem fixated with this number.

if you have forgotten its how long maddie has been missing....there is no evidence taht missing children are not being looked for by the police...just the usual claptrap from sceptics
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 14, 2017, 08:36:07 AM
if you have forgotten its how long maddie has been missing....there is no evidence taht missing children are not being looked for by the police...just the usual claptrap from sceptics


It's not quite 10 years yet.

You and rob asked for cases, as you have before. You got them.

The people on that site, including children have not been found.

Madeleine is just one missing child among many. The resources allocated to her are disproportionate compared to any other case, and there is nothing to show for it either.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2017, 08:42:50 AM

It's not quite 10 years left.

You and rob asked for cases, as you have before. You got them.

The people on that site, including children have not been found.

Madeleine is just one missing child among many. The resources allocated to her are disproportionate compared to any other case, and there is nothing to show for it either.


What would you prefer to have happened in the investigation.

No money spent.
The investigation discontinued a year or so ago.
Or the investigation halted this year before the announcement of further money to be spent.

Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 14, 2017, 08:42:58 AM
All missing children should be treated equally.

Madeleine has been looked for, with zero results.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 14, 2017, 08:44:57 AM

What would you prefer to have happened in the investigation.

No money spent.
The investigation discontinued a year or so ago.
Or the investigation halted this year before the announcement of further money to be spent.

Money has been spent, a lot of money, and nothing to show for it.

Now Erngath, what about all other missing children. Shouldn't they have resources spent on them.

What about their families ?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 14, 2017, 08:48:14 AM
So rob and dave, have you done a search ?

http://www.missingkids.co.uk/01-007561


http://www.missingkids.co.uk/03-000658


..and there are plenty more.

Why just the UK  ?

Madeleine disappeared in Portugal.
But isn't the search funded by the UK tax payer?  It is rather difficult to have an exact comparison to another case for there may not be another English child that has gone missing while in Portugal.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2017, 08:48:29 AM
Money has been spent, a lot of money, and nothing to show for it.

Now Erngath, what about all other missing children. Shouldn't they have resources spent on them.

What about their families ?

You answer my question first and then I will answer yours.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 14, 2017, 08:50:28 AM
But isn't the search funded by the UK tax payer?  It is rather difficult to have an exact comparison to another case for there may not be another English child that has gone missing while in Portugal.

Funded by the tax payer, yes,  but authorized initially by Cameron.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 14, 2017, 08:53:55 AM
You answer my question first and then I will answer yours.

All missing children should be investigated.

Haven't you worked that out for yourself already. I have made myself quite clear on that.

What remains unclear though, is why some people believe that disproportionate amounts of money should be given to one case above all others.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 14, 2017, 08:55:46 AM

It's not quite 10 years yet.

You and rob asked for cases, as you have before. You got them.

The people on that site, including children have not been found.

Madeleine is just one missing child among many. The resources allocated to her are disproportionate compared to any other case, and there is nothing to show for it either.
It was related to the effort put in by the family.  True, some other families may not have been that keen for the truth to be known so it fades out of the limelight.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 14, 2017, 08:59:07 AM
It was related to the effort put in by the family.  True, some other families may not have been that keen for the truth to be known so it fades out of the limelight.

How do you know what effort was put in by other families.

What about the Needhams ?

They received B.A. until fairly recently, when public pressure resulted in resources being allocated.

Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2017, 08:59:42 AM
All missing children should be investigated.

Haven't you worked that out for yourself already. I have made myself quite clear on that.

What remains unclear though, is why some people believe that disproportionate amounts of money should be given to one case above all others.

I appreciate that you want all the cases of missing children to be investigated thoroughly as do I.
However as the amount of money spenton this investigation gives you cause for concern I well repeat my question to you.

Should the investigation by NSY never have been investigated and therefore no money spent.
Should the investigation ceased when half of the money had been spent.
Should it have been halted this year before the extra money was added.



Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 14, 2017, 09:01:18 AM
Funded by the tax payer, yes,  but authorized initially by Cameron.
It will be based on some political dispute between Portugal and England that is at the heart of it.  The countries are trading partners etc and in the end the few dollars spent on searching for Madeleine are in effect a way of bringing Portugal up to standard. 
Well you can hear that line of thought coming from Goncalo all the time, in fact it sounds like he is paranoid but it may be true.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 14, 2017, 09:03:44 AM
I appreciate that you want all the cases of missing children to be investigated thoroughly as do I.
However as the amount of money spenton this investigation gives you cause for concern I well repeat my question to you.

Should the investigation by NSY never have been investigated and therefore no money spent.
Should the investigation ceased when half of the money had been spent.
Should it have been halted this year before the extra money was added.
It will happen sure enough.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 14, 2017, 09:06:23 AM
I appreciate that you want all the cases of missing children to be investigated thoroughly as do I.
However as the amount of money spenton thisinvestigation gives you causefor concernI well repeat my question to you.

Should the investigation by NSY never have been instigatedand therefore no money spent.
Should the investigation ceased when half of the money had been spent.
Should it have been halted this year before the extra money was added.

The case should be investigated as should others, and it has.

I have no objection to that.

Perhaps we should ask John on what criterion are used in determining the length of an investigation.

I have no problem with a case being shelved, pending further information, which could then be re-opened.However, as we know, police forces have ever diminishing resources, and what is clear at the moment, is that the case hasn't achieved it's objectives.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 14, 2017, 09:08:08 AM
How do you know what effort was put in by other families.

What about the Needhams ?

They received B.A. until fairly recently, when public pressure resulted in resources being allocated.
That was in Cyprus basically a war zone, how much could the British do without upsetting the Turks?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2017, 09:15:45 AM
The case should be investigated as should others, and it has.

I have no objection to that.

Perhaps we should ask John on what criterion are used in determining the length of an investigation.

I have no problem with a case being shelved, pending further information, which could then be re-opened.However, as we know, police forces have ever diminishing resources, and what is clear at the moment, is that the case hasn't achieved it's objectives.

So really you don't mind the amount spent but you want the same amount spent on other missing children.
The two cases you highlighted were of children who have been missing over forty years. I would hope these cases were reviewed from time to time. Do the police have to declare the amount spent on each missing person? I imagine the search and investigation for the missing RAF man must now be proving to be very costly.
We cannot know how much progress has been made in Madeleine's case until it is completed unless you are privy to all of the facts.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 14, 2017, 09:16:55 AM
That was in Cyprus basically a war zone, how much could the British do without upsetting the Turks?

He disappeared on the Island of Kos.

Kos is not Cyprus Rob.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 14, 2017, 09:19:27 AM
So really you don't mind the amount spent but you want the same amount spent on other missing children.
The two cases you highlighted were of children who have been missing over forty years. I would hope these cases were reviewed from time to time. do the police have to declare the amount spent on each missing person? I imagine the search and investigation for the missing RAF man must now be proving to be very costly.
We cannot know how much progress has been made in Madeleine's case until it is completed unless you are privy to all of the facts.

I didn't say that, did I.

By the way, if you had looked on the website I linked to, there are many more cases of missing children.

I suggest you have a look.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2017, 09:23:33 AM
I didn't say that, did I.

By the way, if you had looked on the website I linked to, there are many more cases of missing children.

I suggest you have a look.

TBH I really don't know what you are saying.
Obviously I did look at the website, otherwise I would not have read about the two cases I mentioned.

Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: G-Unit on March 14, 2017, 09:23:58 AM
Operation Grange are looking for either a child trafficking gang or an ex Ocean Club employee, we are told. In other words, they still have a few wild geese to chase. Suggesting that the clearly clueless operation should cease isn't anti Madeleine, it's pro common sense.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 09:25:34 AM
Operation Grange are looking for either a child trafficking gang or an ex Ocean Club employee, we are told. In other words, they still have a few wild geese to chase. Suggesting that the clearly clueless operation should cease isn't anti Madeleine, it's pro common sense.
On what basis do you state that the leads they are following are "wild geese" chases?  What inside information do you possess to enable you to make such an evaluation?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 09:30:41 AM
Operation Grange are looking for either a child trafficking gang or an ex Ocean Club employee, we are told. In other words, they still have a few wild geese to chase. Suggesting that the clearly clueless operation should cease isn't anti Madeleine, it's pro common sense.
What would you replace a "clearly clueless operation" with in order to effect "Justice For Madeleine"?  Mob rule?  Pitchforks and torches at dawn on Rothley?  What?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 14, 2017, 09:36:47 AM
Operation Grange are looking for either a child trafficking gang or an ex Ocean Club employee, we are told. In other words, they still have a few wild geese to chase. Suggesting that the clearly clueless operation should cease isn't anti Madeleine, it's pro common sense.

Yesterday there were allusions to "The Burglary Gone Theory" still having currency.
Chuck that in the cauldron too.
This caught my eye from the report on the Piers Morgan caper:
"The unnamed man had previously been interviewed by cops desperate to track down Maddie, but now they have reason to believe he may hold more key info".

Someone dropped off fisrt time around then... @)(++(*
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: G-Unit on March 14, 2017, 09:39:30 AM
What would you replace a "clearly clueless operation" with in order to effect "Justice For Madeleine"?  Mob rule?  Pitchforks and torches at dawn on Rothley?  What?

It's time to put this case where it belongs; on the shelf marked 'unsolved', because that's what it is. Nothing else is required.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: carlymichelle on March 14, 2017, 09:39:52 AM
Operation Grange are looking for either a child trafficking gang or an ex Ocean Club employee, we are told. In other words, they still have a few wild geese to chase. Suggesting that the clearly clueless operation should cease isn't anti Madeleine, it's pro common sense.

exactly   the world doesnt  revolve  around the mcanns
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: carlymichelle on March 14, 2017, 09:40:35 AM
It's time to put this case where it belongs; on the shelf marked 'unsolved', because that's what it is. Nothing else is required.

exactly   why  do the  mcanns get more  money then others??
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 09:40:50 AM
It's time to put this case where it belongs; on the shelf marked 'unsolved', because that's what it is. Nothing else is required.
And that helps achieve "Justice 4 Maddie" how exactly? 
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 09:42:30 AM
exactly   the world doesnt  revolve  around the mcanns
If the world doesn't revolve around the McCanns why have you spent 10 years of your life on social media slagging them off?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 14, 2017, 09:48:30 AM
If the world doesn't revolve around the McCanns why have you spent 10 years of your life on social media slagging them off?
it must be a feel good factor.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 09:51:58 AM
Operation Grange are looking for either a child trafficking gang or an ex Ocean Club employee, we are told. In other words, they still have a few wild geese to chase. Suggesting that the clearly clueless operation should cease isn't anti Madeleine, it's pro common sense.

Do you realise that there are still ongoing investigations into other missing children
Do you understand why this investigation has cost so much
Seems like the answer is no to both
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: G-Unit on March 14, 2017, 10:07:31 AM
And that helps achieve "Justice 4 Maddie" how exactly?

What makes you think I'm interested in "Justice 4 Maddie"? As far as I can recall I've never called her Maddie, never used 4 to replace for and never called for justice. Are you mixing me up with others again?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 10:12:41 AM
What makes you think I'm interested in "Justice 4 Maddie"? As far as I can recall I've never called her Maddie, never used 4 to replace for and never called for justice. Are you mixing me up with others again?
Oh dear how precious.  Are you not interested in Justice for Madeleine?  Simple question.  If you are not, fair enough.  If you are, perhaps you can explain how your desire for the case to be put back on the shelf marked "unsolved" helps achieve this?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: G-Unit on March 14, 2017, 10:26:40 AM
Oh dear how precious.  Are you not interested in Justice for Madeleine?  Simple question.  If you are not, fair enough.  If you are, perhaps you can explain how your desire for the case to be put back on the shelf marked "unsolved" helps achieve this?

I don't know why you think it's 'precious'.

To see those who were involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann receive their just desserts would be very satisfying. After seven years of investigation it seems highly unlikely to happen, however. Sometimes what people want is simply unattainable.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 14, 2017, 10:36:46 AM
I don't know why you think it's 'precious'.

To see those who were involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann receive their just desserts would be very satisfying. After seven years of investigation it seems highly unlikely to happen, however. Sometimes what people want is simply unattainable.
Have you been working on the case for 7 years?  It didn't help having the lead investigator so muddled.  Kate and Gerry should have been made arguidos from day 1 so the tough questions could have been asked immediately.
That would have saved a couple of million pounds. 
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 11:00:50 AM
I don't know why you think it's 'precious' to refuse to play your word games.

To see those who were involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann receive their just desserts would be very satisfying. After seven years of investigation it seems highly unlikely to happen, however. Sometimes what people want is simply unattainable.
I didn't ask you to play a word game, I asked a simple question, using terminology that has oft been used by sceptics to describe their online crusade.  I don't know why you should be so apparently offended by it.
 I note that despite your claim to want to see those involved in Madeleine's disappearance receive their "just desserts" that you also want the case to be shelved, ensuring that justice is even less likely to happen than if the investigation continues.  I find that rather odd, but each to their own I guess.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Angelo222 on March 14, 2017, 11:17:34 AM
I appreciate that you want all the cases of missing children to be investigated thoroughly as do I.
However as the amount of money spenton this investigation gives you cause for concern I well repeat my question to you.

Should the investigation by NSY never have been investigated and therefore no money spent.
Should the investigation ceased when half of the money had been spent.
Should it have been halted this year before the extra money was added.

This case is so far from the norm that it ingenders its own conspiracies. Once the parents saw fit to employ private investigators contrary to Portuguese law and once their involvement with Metodo 3  and Correia was revealed the entire status of this case should have been reviewed.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 14, 2017, 11:21:30 AM
This case is so far from the norm that it ingenders its own conspiracies. Once the parents saw fit to employ private investigators contrary to Portuguese law and once their involvement with Metodo 3  and Correia was revealed the entire status of this case should have been reviewed.
Why would the McCanns have to abide by Portuguese law after they had returned to the UK? 
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2017, 11:23:19 AM
This case is so far from the norm that it ingenders its own conspiracies. Once the parents saw fit to employ private investigators contrary to Portuguese law and once their involvement with Metodo 3  and Correia was revealed the entire status of this case should have been reviewed.

Reviewed by whom?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: G-Unit on March 14, 2017, 11:25:19 AM
I didn't ask you to play a word game, I asked a simple question, using terminology that has oft been used by sceptics to describe their online crusade.  I don't know why you should be so apparently offended by it.
 I note that despite your claim to want to see those involved in Madeleine's disappearance receive their "just desserts" that you also want the case to be shelved, ensuring that justice is even less likely to happen than if the investigation continues.  I find that rather odd, but each to their own I guess.

I'm not offended by the term Justice 4 Maddie, just annoyed by your continual attempts to suggest that anyone who questions the McCann narrative is a member of some group or other. Some people think for themselves, reach their own conclusions and express them as individuals. I subscribe and/or belong to no groups whatsoever, as I have made clear before. Do try and remember it so we don't keep repeating ourselves.

I don't think continuing will result in justice being more likely to be achieved than if the investigation is shelved.





Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: John on March 14, 2017, 11:25:28 AM
The case should be investigated as should others, and it has.

I have no objection to that.

Perhaps we should ask John on what criterion are used in determining the length of an investigation.

I have no problem with a case being shelved, pending further information, which could then be re-opened.However, as we know, police forces have ever diminishing resources, and what is clear at the moment, is that the case hasn't achieved it's objectives.

Every case is different and depends on many factors, not least being who shouts loudest.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Angelo222 on March 14, 2017, 11:31:13 AM
Why would the McCanns have to abide by Portuguese law after they had returned to the UK?

The investigation is based in Portugal.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Angelo222 on March 14, 2017, 11:32:20 AM
Reviewed by whom?

By SY.  It has been established that there was a conspiracy to have the investigation coordinator removed and McCann operatives M3 were at the heart of it.  That involvement should be investigated.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 11:32:41 AM
I'm not offended by the term Justice 4 Maddie, just annoyed by your continual attempts to suggest that anyone who questions the McCann narrative is a member of some group or other. Some people think for themselves, reach their own conclusions and express them as individuals. I subscribe and/or belong to no groups whatsoever, as I have made clear before. Do try and remember it so we don't keep repeating ourselves.

I don't think continuing will result in justice being more likely to be achieved than if the investigation is shelved.
That's a bit silly isn't it?  Surely if the police are actively investigating the case it is more likely that the case will be solved than if nobody is investigating it?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2017, 11:37:52 AM
By SY.  It has been established that there was a conspiracy to have the investigation coordinator removed and McCann operatives M3 were at the heart of it.  That involvement should be investigated.

Established by whom?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: faithlilly on March 14, 2017, 11:40:50 AM
That's a bit silly isn't it?  Surely if the police are actively investigating the case it is more likely that the case will be solved than if nobody is investigating it?

The Portuguese have primacy in this case. I think sometimes supporters forget that.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Angelo222 on March 14, 2017, 11:43:00 AM
Established by whom?

Are you disputing the Correia involvement in an attempt to undermine Amaral?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 14, 2017, 11:43:45 AM
Every case is different and depends on many factors, not least being who shouts loudest.

Kerry Needham has shouted for twenty years, and only recently were funds allocated for an investigation.

Did she receive help from previous P.M.'s, prior to Cameron's involvement, after pressure was applied ?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: John on March 14, 2017, 11:44:53 AM
Kerry Needham has shouted for twenty years, and only recently were funds allocated for an investigation.

Did she receive help from previous P.M.'s, prior to Cameron's involvement, after pressure was applied ?

I should have added that friends in high places helps.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 14, 2017, 11:48:44 AM
I should have added that friends in high places helps.

No doubt about that.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2017, 11:56:54 AM
Are you disputing the Correia involvement in an attempt to undermine Amaral?

Oh right!
That's what you mean by "established".
So you wanted SY to "review" this "established" evidence?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: G-Unit on March 14, 2017, 12:02:59 PM
That's a bit silly isn't it?  Surely if the police are actively investigating the case it is more likely that the case will be solved than if nobody is investigating it?

When a case has been investigated for seven years with no result carrying on seems like a waste of resources to me. There's no sign of progress so no sign of success. If the situation changes the investigation can always be resumed.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Brietta on March 14, 2017, 12:21:36 PM
This case is so far from the norm that it ingenders its own conspiracies. Once the parents saw fit to employ private investigators contrary to Portuguese law and once their involvement with Metodo 3  and Correia was revealed the entire status of this case should have been reviewed.

If parents can add anything to a search and if they think they may be able to assist in a police investigation particularly in areas where intensive searches are required with limited manpower available I don't see a problem with that.
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That is what Corrie McKeague's mother was able to do and if the searches she organised failed to find her son at least the ground covered by them was eliminated. Thus freeing up the police to carry out much needed official searches in probable sites volunteers have neither the access or the necessary skills to search.
Corrie's mother is a serving police officer with Police Scotland so knew what she was about.
(http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/1184005/article_img.jpg)

The McCanns conducted a different type of search for Madeleine requiring different techniques and this involved private detectives.

I agree with you that Madeleine's case should have been reviewed, probably not for the same reason as you.  Just as I think Corrie's case will probably be reviewed and lessons learnt.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Angelo222 on March 14, 2017, 12:28:43 PM
Oh right!
That's what you mean by "established".
So you wanted SY to "review" this "established" evidence?

I want the guilty prosecuted.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Angelo222 on March 14, 2017, 12:31:00 PM
If parents can add anything to a search and if they think they may be able to assist in a police investigation particularly in areas where intensive searches are required with limited manpower available I don't see a problem with that.
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That is what Corrie McKeague's mother was able to do and if the searches she organised failed to find her son at least the ground covered by them was eliminated. Thus freeing up the police to carry out much needed official searches in probable sites volunteers have neither the access or the necessary skills to search.
Corrie's mother is a serving police officer with Police Scotland so knew what she was about.
(http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/1184005/article_img.jpg)

The McCanns conducted a different type of search for Madeleine requiring different techniques and this involved private detectives.

I agree with you that Madeleine's case should have been reviewed, probably not for the same reason as you.  Just as I think Corrie's case will probably be reviewed and lessons learnt.

As for searching, when was the last time Professor McCann went to Portugal to search for his missing child?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2017, 12:37:06 PM
I want the guilty prosecuted.

As do I. I do hope this added time and money finds those who are guilty of Madeleine's abduction.

Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Brietta on March 14, 2017, 12:37:38 PM
When a case has been investigated for seven years with no result carrying on seems like a waste of resources to me. There's no sign of progress so no sign of success. If the situation changes the investigation can always be resumed.

With respect that is nonsense.

You will probably find that a case will be investigated as long as it is possible to follow investigative opportunities.  Only when these have been checked and eliminated and there are no more to follow would it be considered appropriate to put the investigation onto the back burner.

Why does it offend that active lines of investigation are open and being followed in respect of Madeleine McCann?  Is there an underlying worry that it may be possible to find out what happened to her particularly as it is evident neither the Policia Judiciaria or Scotland Yard are at all interested in pursuing her parents?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Brietta on March 14, 2017, 12:48:22 PM
As for searching, when was the last time Professor McCann went to Portugal to search for his missing child?

And do what exactly?

Corrie McKeague vanished in a clearly defined area.  His progress was recorded on CCTV.  His mobile phone sent out a signal which was tracked.

Whereabouts in Portugal should Gerry start digging with his bare hands?

The McCanns have moved heaven and earth in their search for Madeleine.  When one witnesses what they have been put through to get to where we are in investigating her case one can see why the question might be asked "Why ... ? ? ?"

I know I wouldn't have been capable of withstanding the loss of a child and keeping the search alive while suffering even one iota of the opprobrium they have slung at them every day of their lives ... I don't know of anyone who could.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 14, 2017, 12:58:57 PM
And do what exactly?

Corrie McKeague vanished in a clearly defined area.  His progress was recorded on CCTV.  His mobile phone sent out a signal which was tracked.

Whereabouts in Portugal should Gerry start digging with his bare hands?

The McCanns have moved heaven and earth in their search for Madeleine.  When one witnesses what they have been put through to get to where we are in investigating her case one can see why the question might be asked "Why ... ? ? ?"

I know I wouldn't have been capable of withstanding the loss of a child and keeping the search alive while suffering even one iota of the opprobrium they have slung at them every day of their lives ... I don't know of anyone who could.

The Mccann's have 'moved heaven and earth' .

When have they done that ?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: jassi on March 14, 2017, 01:06:32 PM
The Mccann's have 'moved heaven and earth' .

When have they done that ?

As I recall, it's only police that have been moving the earth.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: G-Unit on March 14, 2017, 01:08:58 PM
With respect that is nonsense.

You will probably find that a case will be investigated as long as it is possible to follow investigative opportunities.  Only when these have been checked and eliminated and there are no more to follow would it be considered appropriate to put the investigation onto the back burner.

Why does it offend that active lines of investigation are open and being followed in respect of Madeleine McCann?  Is there an underlying worry that it may be possible to find out what happened to her particularly as it is evident neither the Policia Judiciaria or Scotland Yard are at all interested in pursuing her parents?

I'm not offended or worried, what strange ideas. If I thought that Operation Grange were following productive lines of investigation I would be very pleased, but they have been credited with imminent success too many times for me to have much faith in their abilities. I can't assess the PJ investigation as they have very wisely kept their activities to themselves.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on March 14, 2017, 01:16:11 PM
The Mccann's have 'moved heaven and earth' .

When have they done that ?
Exactly! All those visits to Portugual to spend with lawyers, they never once said we are looking for Madeleine while we are here, nor did they take the opportunity to highlight the dangers of leaving babies alone at night in Portugual.
 They also didn't have to cut back using cheapo flights and cheap apartments as they did previously in PDL. OH my, how things changed for them.

Gerry is now  professor? what really?

Money was wasted; SY were on a road to nowhere, and most people who have in interest in the case also know this!
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 01:32:42 PM
When a case has been investigated for seven years with no result carrying on seems like a waste of resources to me. There's no sign of progress so no sign of success. If the situation changes the investigation can always be resumed.

There's a case in Scotland where the young lad disappeared in 1976 and his case is still open
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 14, 2017, 01:38:51 PM
There's a case in Scotland where the young lad disappeared in 1976 and his case is still open

There are many cases Dave.

None have got the attention this case has.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Angelo222 on March 14, 2017, 01:52:12 PM
The differences between the Maddie and the Ben cases are startling.  Kerry Needham is an inspiration frankly.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: carlymichelle on March 14, 2017, 01:53:44 PM
The differences between the Maddie and the Ben cases are startling.  Kerry Needham is an inspiration frankly.

agree  ben vanished   and it  wasnt her  fault  and she was  19 not  35 like kate
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on March 14, 2017, 01:55:20 PM
There's a case in Scotland where the young lad disappeared in 1976 and his case is still open

Yes and?
The point is. Madeliene went missing in Portugual, it is a portuguese investivgation.
 I have no problem with cases being 'open' awaiting further new information. I have  a problem with spending millions of hard earned cash on one child when many thousands are relying on food banks. It really is a disgrace.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: carlymichelle on March 14, 2017, 01:57:53 PM
Yes and?
The point is. Madeliene went missing in Portugual, it is a portuguese investivgation.
 I have no problem with cases being 'open' awaiting further new information. I have  a problem with spending millions of hard earned cash on one child when many thousands are relying on food banks. It really is a disgrace.

exactly  why is maddie  the  focus??
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 02:03:53 PM
The Portuguese have primacy in this case. I think sometimes supporters forget that.
What has that got to do with the post I wrote that you replied to?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 02:05:27 PM
When a case has been investigated for seven years with no result carrying on seems like a waste of resources to me. There's no sign of progress so no sign of success. If the situation changes the investigation can always be resumed.
Just because no one has informed you of what progress has been made in this case doesn't mean there hasn't been any.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 02:09:15 PM
I'm not offended or worried, what strange ideas. If I thought that Operation Grange were following productive lines of investigation I would be very pleased, but they have been credited with imminent success too many times for me to have much faith in their abilities. I can't assess the PJ investigation as they have very wisely kept their activities to themselves.
Who has credited them with imminent success too many times?  The Met themselves?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: G-Unit on March 14, 2017, 02:21:00 PM
Just because no one has informed you of what progress has been made in this case doesn't mean there hasn't been any.

I have seen no signs of progress, unless 'maybe' identifying Tannerman counts. The four of them may be hot on the heels of someone, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on March 14, 2017, 02:33:26 PM
I have seen no signs of progress, unless 'maybe' identifying Tannerman counts. The four of them may be hot on the heels of someone, but I doubt it.



And the Tannerman was THE case for the' abductioneers'. That blown- it opened up a whole new timeline well an better reported, timeline, very few peole who were not 'smitten' by the 'mccanmania' found it incredible that JT could walk past two men chatting  and they don't notice her or the 'abductor'  only for the reason  she forgot to mention this when kate was screaming 'daughter' is gone. they all went to 'look' for her knowing an abductor had snatched her... oh scarie movie spoof.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: slartibartfast on March 14, 2017, 03:43:12 PM
I think the support for the SY investigation is more nationalistic. As posted elsewhere...

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We don't know what progress has been made. Madeleine is a British child and deserves a British investigation to find her.

Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 14, 2017, 04:01:38 PM
When a case has been investigated for seven years with no result carrying on seems like a waste of resources to me. There's no sign of progress so no sign of success. If the situation changes the investigation can always be resumed.
That's why I thought I'd jump on board and try real hard while the case is still active.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 14, 2017, 04:04:22 PM
The Mccann's have 'moved heaven and earth' .

When have they done that ?
Yesterday.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 14, 2017, 04:08:43 PM
I think the support for the SY investigation is more nationalistic. As posted elsewhere...
"We don't know what progress has been made. Madeleine is a British child and deserves a British investigation to find her."  That sounds like Gerry speaking!
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 14, 2017, 04:44:59 PM
Yesterday.

Cite.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 04:52:40 PM
I have seen no signs of progress, unless 'maybe' identifying Tannerman counts. The four of them may be hot on the heels of someone, but I doubt it.
What sort of signs of progress would you expect to see, in an investigation which always said it would not be giving a running commentary?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 14, 2017, 05:01:03 PM
What sort of signs of progress would you expect to see, in an investigation which always said it would not be giving a running commentary?

If that is correct and has been observed then scratch the recent Mirror article.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 14, 2017, 05:01:29 PM
What sort of signs of progress would you expect to see, in an investigation which always said it would not be giving a running commentary?
Interviewees who make sense.
Arguidos being re-grilled.
Perhaps another dig or two.
How about a fresh ILOR or two?

And OG comments as and when it wants.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 05:19:02 PM
Interviewees who make sense.
Arguidos being re-grilled.
Perhaps another dig or two.
How about a fresh ILOR or two?

And OG comments as and when it wants.

I think we can be fairly sure SY are doing a professional job
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: slartibartfast on March 14, 2017, 05:24:42 PM
I think we can be fairly sure SY are doing a professional job

...keeping the engine running.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Brietta on March 14, 2017, 05:25:06 PM
I'm not offended or worried, what strange ideas. If I thought that Operation Grange were following productive lines of investigation I would be very pleased, but they have been credited with imminent success too many times for me to have much faith in their abilities. I can't assess the PJ investigation as they have very wisely kept their activities to themselves.

Quite obviously you think you know more about operational matters than Scotland Yard do.  Bearing in mind that they have obviously asked for and received more funding to pursue whatever and whoever they are in the process of investigating.

Madeleine McCann was a child ... a young person now if she has survived ... who the police stopped looking for as we now know a few months after her disappearance, the focus of the investigative strategy becoming her parents.

Of those 'other missing children' who have not received home office funding 'like Madeleine McCann', which one had a case conducted as Madeleine's was?  Which one was written off as being dead without evidence?  Which one of them had his/her case halted before all investigative opportunities had been carried through to conclusion?  Which one's parents had to employ private detectives because the police were not doing their job?

Madeleine McCann is only now receiving attention commensurate with the enormity of the crime carried out against her.

If the police are forced to close down the investigation, in common with the parents of 'all the other missing children' the McCanns will know that all was done that could be done.
That was denied her in 2007.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: slartibartfast on March 14, 2017, 05:30:01 PM
Quite obviously you think you know more about operational matters than Scotland Yard do.  Bearing in mind that they have obviously asked for and received more funding to pursue whatever and whoever they are in the process of investigating.

Madeleine McCann was a child ... a young person now if she has survived ... who the police stopped looking for as we now know a few months after her disappearance, the focus of the investigative strategy becoming her parents.

Of those 'other missing children' who have not received home office funding 'like Madeleine McCann', which one had a case conducted as Madeleine's was?  Which one was written off as being dead without evidence?  Which one of them had his/her case halted before all investigative opportunities had been carried through to conclusion?  Which one's parents had to employ private detectives because the police were not doing their job?

Madeleine McCann is only now receiving attention commensurate with the enormity of the crime carried out against her.

If the police are forced to close down the investigation, in common with the parents of 'all the other missing children' the McCanns will know that all was done that could be done.
That was denied her in 2007.

We don't know what crime was carried out....
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 14, 2017, 06:06:03 PM
I think we can be fairly sure SY are doing a professional job
ROFL
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: G-Unit on March 14, 2017, 06:13:26 PM
I think we can be fairly sure SY are doing a professional job

I would be interested to know what you are basing that statement on.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 06:16:48 PM
Interviewees who make sense.
Arguidos being re-grilled.
Perhaps another dig or two.
How about a fresh ILOR or two?

And OG comments as and when it wants.
Can I ask why you never considered a career in the police force, as you clearly know how to do the job much better than the idiots in the Met.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Brietta on March 14, 2017, 06:17:29 PM
We don't know what crime was carried out....

On what do you base that opinion?

Things have moved on considerably since 2007/08.

Madeleine's case was reviewed resulting in both the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard independently reopening investigations in 2013.

You have absolutely no idea what they know or what they do not know.

Whatever that may be, it is something and it is something which doesn't remove a penny piece from any other investigation into a missing child.
The current co-operation between the professionals of the PJ and SY it is something which might be very useful should a similar occurrence happen in the future.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 06:20:40 PM
I would be interested to know what you are basing that statement on.
Just as I would be interested in your answer to the similar question I posed to you earlier.



"On what basis do you state that the leads they are following are "wild geese" chases?  What inside information do you possess to enable you to make such an evaluation?"
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 06:40:02 PM
The arrogance of those who without full possession of all the known facts think they know so much better than those WITH full possession of all the known facts is always a source of bemusement to me.  What made you guys so bloody cocky and sure of yourselves? 
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Eleanor on March 14, 2017, 06:48:54 PM
The arrogance of those who without full possession of all the known facts think they know so much better than those WITH full possession of all the known facts is always a source of bemusement to me.  What made you guys so bloody cocky and sure of yourselves?

Lack of self awareness, I would say.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 06:55:10 PM
Lack of self awareness, I would say.
Lack of something, for sure - shame maybe.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 06:55:37 PM
ROFL

But that is exactly how I feel about your posts......you really believe you are in a position to criticise the Met...ROFL
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 06:58:09 PM
But that is exactly how I feel about your posts......you really believe you are in a position to criticise the Met...ROFL
Nice to see a moderator goading another member isn't it?  ROFL.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 07:11:42 PM
We don't know what crime was carried out....

we may not but I would say SY do
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Erngath on March 14, 2017, 07:19:18 PM


Love your new avatar.
Such a clever, witty and articulate man. Very compassionate and understanding too.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 07:20:50 PM
Love your new avatar.
Such a clever, witty and articulate man. Very compassionate and understanding too.
Indeed....  8(0(*
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 14, 2017, 08:03:38 PM
Cite.
Yesterday - I was being more figurative than factual.
Turn on your speakers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo505ZyaCbA
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 14, 2017, 08:51:06 PM
Can I ask why you never considered a career in the police force, as you clearly know how to do the job much better than the idiots in the Met.
I made a bucket load of money in other jobs whereas I could have made peanuts with those in the Met.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 14, 2017, 09:08:02 PM
would that be because you would always have been a very low ranking PC
I'm fairly confident I earned more per annum than Redwood did or Wall does.  If you consider them to be low rankers, so be it.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 09:17:00 PM
I'm fairly confident I earned more per annum than Redwood did or Wall does.  If you consider them to be low rankers, so be it.

only fairly confident........is your pension considerably more too
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 09:24:48 PM
Police searching for the remains of a schoolgirl who disappeared more than 60 years ago are focussing on a 'high priority' stretch of canal. 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4312920/Police-search-canal-remains-murdered-girl-11.html#ixzz4bKzzg8ya
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook...


uK police still looking for a missing girl 60 years on......
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 14, 2017, 09:35:23 PM
only fairly confident........is your pension considerably more too
Pensions, plural.  3 Footsie 100 companies.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 09:56:31 PM
Pensions, plural.  3 Footsie 100 companies.

Have you ever come across the Dunning Kruger effect
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 14, 2017, 09:57:14 PM
Have you ever come across the Dunning Kruger effect
Nope.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 10:00:14 PM
Nope.

Hmm
It just comes in to my mind when I see your posts
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 14, 2017, 10:04:36 PM
Hmm
It just comes in to my mind when I see your posts
Shall I share with you what comes into my mind when I see what you have posted?

Or have I got bigger fish to fry?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 10:07:47 PM
Shall I share with you what comes into my mind when I see what you have posted?

Or have I got bigger fish to fry?

It's of no consequence to me for obvious reasons
No doubt the fish you fry are enormous
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: slartibartfast on March 14, 2017, 10:13:23 PM
Have you ever come across the Dunning Kruger effect

I saw that the other day, I didn't think of SiL.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 10:22:05 PM
I saw that the other day, I didn't think of SiL.
.
Oh dear now I've mentioned it everyone will have already heard of it and thought of someone
I'm such a trendsetter
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Brietta on March 14, 2017, 10:23:06 PM
Police searching for the remains of a schoolgirl who disappeared more than 60 years ago are focussing on a 'high priority' stretch of canal. 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4312920/Police-search-canal-remains-murdered-girl-11.html#ixzz4bKzzg8ya
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook...


uK police still looking for a missing girl 60 years on......

They have never ceased looking for Moira.  Whenever new information arises it is checked out.  People have been anxious to help.  Particularly the family who gave permission for their relatives' grave to be disturbed which couldn't have been easy for them.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 10:29:12 PM
They have never ceased looking for Moira.  Whenever new information arises it is checked out.  People have been anxious to help.  Particularly the family who gave permission for their relatives' grave to be disturbed which couldn't have been easy for them.

And they shouldn't cease looking for her

It's strange that people want to stop looking for Maddie but are happy that searches for other children continue
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: slartibartfast on March 14, 2017, 10:34:43 PM
.
Oh dear now I've mentioned it everyone will have already heard of it and thought of someone
I'm such a trendsetter

It has been on the media recently for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 10:35:30 PM
It has been on the media recently for obvious reasons.

You would have a cite then
In relation to what
Ghoul tours
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: slartibartfast on March 14, 2017, 10:38:13 PM
You would have a cite then
In relation to what
Ghoul tours

To do with the US President.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 10:40:34 PM
To do with the US President.

Oh yes
If they gave him an enema when he died they could bury him in a matchbox or something like that
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 10:41:41 PM
I made a bucket load of money in other jobs whereas I could have made peanuts with those in the Met.
ROFL
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 10:43:57 PM
ROFL

LOL
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 14, 2017, 10:44:36 PM
Oh yes
If they gave him an enema when he died they could bury him in a matchbox or something like that
Where did that expression come from?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 10:45:26 PM
Hmm
It just comes in to my mind when I see your posts
I had to google it but thanks for that, spot on.  8((()*/
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 14, 2017, 10:47:31 PM
Where did that expression come from?
Christopher Hitchens re Trump some years ago
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Brietta on March 14, 2017, 11:03:12 PM
And they shouldn't cease looking for her

It's strange that people want to stop looking for Maddie but are happy that searches for other children continue

Sadly, I think this will probably be the last throw of the dice, Davel.  There probably isn't anyone else still alive who might have had information for the police to act on.
No-one can say that they haven't done their best to resolve the case; nor have I ever seen any criticism of the fact that they had bothered; nor complaints about the cost of the searches which have been carried out.

I too find the orchestrated campaigns against continuing investigating Madeleine McCann's case quite extraordinary.

Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 14, 2017, 11:13:55 PM
Pensions, plural.  3 Footsie 100 companies.
You could have been a Trolley Dolly for Easy Jet and legitimately claimed to have worked for a FTSE100 company you know... 8(0(*
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 14, 2017, 11:24:02 PM
You could have been a Trolley Dolly for Easy Jet and legitimately claimed to have worked for a FTSE100 company you know... 8(0(*
If that's your best ...
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 15, 2017, 04:08:54 AM
If that's your best ...
If that's your best we've hit rock bottom.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 15, 2017, 08:31:02 AM
If that's your best ...
It's a fact.  Claiming to have worked for 3 FTSE 100 companies (as you do regularly and often) is no great set of credentials and does not lend any weight whatsoever to your opinions so why do you keep mentioning it?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: faithlilly on March 15, 2017, 11:11:50 AM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/596739/Madeleine-Maddie-McCann-search-missing-10-years
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 15, 2017, 11:24:49 AM
Perhaps it would be fairer if there was a Missing Persons budget.  Every single person who goes missing, whether they are 3 years old or 30 gets the exact same amount allocated to the search for them and then once the money's gone, that's it.   That will stop the complaints won't it? 
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: faithlilly on March 15, 2017, 11:30:41 AM
Perhaps it would be fairer if there was a Missing Persons budget.  Every single person who goes missing, whether they are 3 years old or 30 gets the exact same amount allocated to the search for them and then once the money's gone, that's it.   That will stop the complaints won't it?

It would certainly be fairer.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 15, 2017, 11:40:33 AM
It would certainly be fairer.
Yes, and we could apply it to ALL crime solving.  A set budget for every case of fraud, burglary, murder, child abuse, rape, etc.  It would certainly be VERY fair as far as apportioning funds to each case is concerned.  Do you think this is a good idea?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: faithlilly on March 15, 2017, 12:19:40 PM
Yes, and we could apply it to ALL crime solving.  A set budget for every case of fraud, burglary, murder, child abuse, rape, etc.  It would certainly be VERY fair as far as apportioning funds to each case is concerned.  Do you think this is a good idea?

Stick to the point Alfie.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 15, 2017, 12:37:49 PM
Stick to the point Alfie.
The point is "Other Missing Kids Short Changed".  How do you propose we should rectify the situation then?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 15, 2017, 12:43:38 PM
Yes, and we could apply it to ALL crime solving.  A set budget for every case of fraud, burglary, murder, child abuse, rape, etc.  It would certainly be VERY fair as far as apportioning funds to each case is concerned.  Do you think this is a good idea?

What makes you think that to one degree or another this does not happen?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: G-Unit on March 15, 2017, 01:14:13 PM
What makes you think that to one degree or another this does not happen?

It does happen. Certain forces have been downgrading 999 calls recently because of lack of resources.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: faithlilly on March 15, 2017, 02:08:13 PM
The point is "Other Missing Kids Short Changed".  How do you propose we should rectify the situation then?

I can tell you what we shouldn't be doing. We shouldn't be scaling back investigations into missing children in this country while allocating more funds to a disappearance that we do not have primacy over and therefore no power to prosecute anyone at all, no matter what the outcome.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: jassi on March 15, 2017, 02:14:07 PM
I can tell you what we shouldn't be doing. We shouldn't be scaling back investigations into missing children in this country while allocating more funds to a disappearance that we do not have primacy over and therefore no power to prosecute anyone at all, no matter what the outcome.

If the perpetrator was found to be in UK, I believe they could
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: faithlilly on March 15, 2017, 02:16:35 PM
If the perpetrator was found to be in UK, I believe they could

Im not sure jassi. Perhaps someone with more legal knowledge than myself would be able to clarify the point?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: G-Unit on March 15, 2017, 02:38:53 PM
If the perpetrator was found to be in UK, I believe they could

Read all about it;

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/h_to_k/jurisdiction/
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: jassi on March 15, 2017, 02:45:14 PM
Read all about it;

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/h_to_k/jurisdiction/

That would seems to cover the potential situation quite nicely.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 15, 2017, 02:56:35 PM
I can tell you what we shouldn't be doing. We shouldn't be scaling back investigations into missing children in this country while allocating more funds to a disappearance that we do not have primacy over and therefore no power to prosecute anyone at all, no matter what the outcome.
So you'd be all for MORE money being spent on missing children investigations not less then, I take it?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 15, 2017, 03:07:08 PM
It does happen. Certain forces have been downgrading 999 calls recently because of lack of resources.
"It does happen"?  So, at the outset of a missing persons enquiry a "missing persons" budget will be set and then when the budget is spent, that's it - case shelved?    I'd like a cite for that please.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: faithlilly on March 15, 2017, 03:09:13 PM
Read all about it;

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/h_to_k/jurisdiction/

Thanks G. Interesting.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: faithlilly on March 15, 2017, 03:11:38 PM
So you'd be all for MORE money being spent on missing children investigations not less then, I take it?

Ideally of course but realistically I'd rather see a fairer distribution than seems to be happening at the moment. Don't you agree?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 15, 2017, 03:55:07 PM
Ideally of course but realistically I'd rather see a fairer distribution than seems to be happening at the moment. Don't you agree?
I think each case has to be judged individually and funding allocated as appropriate.  I don't think that there should be a set amount per missing person, particularly as not all missing people go missing as a result of criminal activity involving abduction, kidnap, abuse and murder. Cases where there is a strong likelihood of foul play being involved should take precedence and more resources devoted to them, particularly where young children are involved or where there is a strong suspicion that the perpetrator may go on to commit other similar crimes.   
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 15, 2017, 04:51:01 PM
It's a fact.  Claiming to have worked for 3 FTSE 100 companies (as you do regularly and often) is no great set of credentials and does not lend any weight whatsoever to your opinions so why do you keep mentioning it?
You raised the sufficiency of my pension.  I explained the sufficiency of my pensions.

If you don't want a reply, don't raise the issue in the first place.   8((()*/
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 15, 2017, 04:53:10 PM
You raised the sufficiency of my pension.  I explained the sufficiency of my pensions.

If you don't want a reply, don't raise the issue in the first place.   8((()*/
I never mentioned your pension(s), they are of no interest to me whatsoever.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 15, 2017, 05:18:20 PM
You raised the sufficiency of my pension.  I explained the sufficiency of my pensions.

If you don't want a reply, don't raise the issue in the first place.   8((()*/

#you are getting confused
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 15, 2017, 06:29:06 PM
I never mentioned your pension(s), they are of no interest to me whatsoever.
Replies 110 to 123.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 15, 2017, 06:29:55 PM
#you are getting confused
Replies 110 to 123.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 15, 2017, 06:31:17 PM
Replies 110 to 123.
I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR PENSION(S) THEY ARE OF NO INTEREST TO ME WHATSOEVER.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 15, 2017, 06:32:35 PM
I NEVER MENTIONED YOUR PENSION(S) THEY ARE OF NO INTEREST TO ME WHATSOEVER.
Replies 110 to 123.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 15, 2017, 06:34:25 PM
Replies 110 to 123.
Now, you have falsely accused me of bringing up the subject of your pensions and are point blank REFUSING to admit your mistake or apologise.  What is wrong with you?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 15, 2017, 06:37:44 PM
Now, you have falsely accused me of bringing up the subject of your pensions and are point blank REFUSING to admit your mistake or apologise.  What is wrong with you?
It must be your avatar.  It is expresses rather aggressive male dominance.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 15, 2017, 06:52:55 PM
It must be your avatar.  It is expresses rather aggressive male dominance.
ROFL.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 15, 2017, 07:18:10 PM
Now, you have falsely accused me of bringing up the subject of your pensions and are point blank REFUSING to admit your mistake or apologise.  What is wrong with you?
 

More to the point what is wrong with you.
This is a game not real life.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 15, 2017, 07:45:56 PM
Replies 110 to 123.
Alf never brought up your pension....you are totally confused again


all you have to do is copy and paste the post...you cant because he didnt
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 15, 2017, 08:32:37 PM
Alf never brought up your pension....you are totally confused again


all you have to do is copy and paste the post...you cant because he didnt
Replies 110 to 123.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 15, 2017, 08:47:07 PM
Replies 110 to 123.


you need to read them again...alf never mentioned your pension...it was me....you show how confused you are
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 15, 2017, 09:48:33 PM

you need to read them again...alf never mentioned your pension...it was me....you show how confused you are
110 to 123.

It's called context.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 15, 2017, 09:54:48 PM
110 to 123.

It's called context.
No, it's called an inability to accept your mistake graciously, apologise and move on. 
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 15, 2017, 10:13:38 PM
110 to 123.

It's called context.

as alf never mentuioned pension its called confusion on your behalf....
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: carlymichelle on March 15, 2017, 10:14:51 PM
as alf never mentuioned pension its called confusion on your behalf....

i have never heard of that word  before isnt it mentioned?? ?{)(**
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 15, 2017, 10:17:11 PM
i have never heard of that word  before isnt it mentioned?? ?{)(**


have alook at post 37,85,66,92 and 33....
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: carlymichelle on March 15, 2017, 10:24:13 PM

have alook at post 37,85,66,92 and 33....

i  was correcting   your spelling of  mentuioned its mentioned  8)-)))
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 15, 2017, 10:27:02 PM
i  was correcting   your spelling of  mentuioned its mentioned  8)-)))
ROFL.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 15, 2017, 10:29:41 PM
i  was correcting   your spelling of  mentuioned its mentioned  8)-)))

Pronounced mentewyonned. It's a small village in Dyfed inhabited by large Druids and small rodents.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: ferryman on March 15, 2017, 10:31:43 PM
i  was correcting   your spelling of  mentuioned its mentioned  8)-)))

It's mentioned .....
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: carlymichelle on March 15, 2017, 10:33:54 PM
Pronounced mentewyonned. It's a small village in Dyfed inhabited by large Druids and small rodents.

what about drones and tin foil hats?? 8(0(*
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Mr Gray on March 15, 2017, 10:37:45 PM
i  was correcting   your spelling of  mentuioned its mentioned  8)-)))

have alook at post 37,85,66,92 and 33....
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 15, 2017, 11:28:05 PM
have alook at post 37,85,66,92 and 33....
Bingo  8@??)(
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on March 19, 2017, 12:51:25 PM
I think each case has to be judged individually and funding allocated as appropriate.  I don't think that there should be a set amount per missing person, particularly as not all missing people go missing as a result of criminal activity involving abduction, kidnap, abuse and murder. Cases where there is a strong likelihood of foul play being involved should take precedence and more resources devoted to them, particularly where young children are involved or where there is a strong suspicion that the perpetrator may go on to commit other similar crimes.

Lack of opportunity is a great prevention, leaving your children alone at night is not a risk worth taking.

 Perhaps the McCanns can  have a poster of them looking sad, telling all those  who live in a 'culture' claimed by the McCanns; that to leave your children alone at night asleep while you go out to enjouy yourselves is a bad idea.
Nope didn't think so. they did nothing wrong according to them and their PR and fan club.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 19, 2017, 01:02:17 PM
Lack of opportunity is a great prevention, leaving your children alone at night is not a risk worth taking.

 Perhaps the McCanns can  have a poster of them looking sad, telling all those  who live in a 'culture' claimed by the McCanns; that to leave your children alone at night asleep while you go out to enjouy yourselves is a bad idea.
Nope didn't think so. they did nothing wrong according to them and their PR and fan club.
Pathetic, cheap shot.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: slartibartfast on March 19, 2017, 01:05:44 PM
Pathetic, cheap shot.

No, it would have been something positive out of the case.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 19, 2017, 01:07:04 PM
No, it would have been something positive out of the case.
Pathetic, cheap shot.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: slartibartfast on March 19, 2017, 01:09:43 PM
Pathetic, cheap shot.

So you don't think the McCanns publicising the dangers of leaving your children alone would have been useful?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 19, 2017, 01:11:52 PM
So you don't think the McCanns publicising the dangers of leaving your children alone would have been useful?
They did, repeatedly and often.  Kate even wrotea bestselling book about what happened to her kid when she left her alone - maybe you didn't hear about it?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 19, 2017, 01:15:51 PM
Perhaps someone should commission a series of posters of parents of missing or dead children, showing them looking sad with warnings underneath eg:  Ben Needhams grandparents and April Jones' mum "Don't let your child play outside unsupervised", or Jamie Bulger's mum "Don't let go of your child's hand when out shopping" - how would that be?  Then we can slot the McCanns into that ad campaign.  Because of course parents need telling don't they?  I mean, just look at all the people who, having seen what happened to Madeleine now leave their kids unattended in holiday resorts.  It's virtually an epidemic isn't it?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: slartibartfast on March 19, 2017, 01:27:48 PM
Perhaps someone should commission a series of posters of parents of missing or dead children, showing them looking sad with warnings underneath eg:  Ben Needhams grandparents and April Jones' mum "Don't let your child play outside unsupervised", or Jamie Bulger's mum "Don't let go of your child's hand when out shopping" - how would that be?  Then we can slot the McCanns into that ad campaign.  Because of course parents need telling don't they?  I mean, just look at all the people who, having seen what happened to Madeleine now leave their kids unattended in holiday resorts.  It's virtually an epidemic isn't it?

Sounds a good idea. Missing People could organise it.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: slartibartfast on March 19, 2017, 01:28:19 PM
They did, repeatedly and often.  Kate even wrotea bestselling book about what happened to her kid when she left her alone - maybe you didn't hear about it?

Doesn't cut it.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 19, 2017, 02:03:34 PM
Sounds a good idea. Missing People could organise it.
Are you for real? 
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 19, 2017, 02:04:53 PM
Doesn't cut it.
Why not?  Why do you think people need posters of the McCanns telling them not to do something?  Do you really think parents need advice from the McCanns in the form of posters?  Say you do and give me a good laugh!
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 19, 2017, 02:19:19 PM
I have a better idea, one that will I'm sure be popular with the subset of McCanns sceptics that act like the baying mob, with their frothing at the mouth, fangs beared:  make the McCanns wear sandwich boards with "We are bad parents, don't do what we did or your kid will disappear" written on them, and then make them spend all day every day walking up and down Oxford Street, for the next 20 years.  And then when 20 years is up, make them do it for another 20.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on March 19, 2017, 05:05:41 PM
I have a better idea, one that will I'm sure be popular with the subset of McCanns sceptics that act like the baying mob, with their frothing at the mouth, fangs beared:  make the McCanns wear sandwich boards with "We are bad parents, don't do what we did or your kid will disappear" written on them, and then make them spend all day every day walking up and down Oxford Street, for the next 20 years.  And then when 20 years is up, make them do it for another 20.

Sandwich boards bit tacky even for the cheapo holiday seeking McCanns .OXFORD street, hell No! anywhere in Liverpool though.   However an acknowledgement of their 'mistake' to those who share their 'culture' of leaving their children alone would be a benefit I am sure. They are revered by people who behave just like them and they are ambassadors for 'missing' children after all.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Alfie on March 19, 2017, 05:58:16 PM
Sandwich boards bit tacky even for the cheapo holiday seeking McCanns .OXFORD street, hell No! anywhere in Liverpool though.   However an acknowledgement of their 'mistake' to those who share their 'culture' of leaving their children alone would be a benefit I am sure. They are revered by people who behave just like them and they are ambassadors for 'missing' children after all.
SO you would like the McCanns to create a PR package (poster, flyer, whatever) addressed to their "fanclub" urging them to stop leaving their kids unattended to "go on the piss" because unless the McCanns point out that it is foolish to do so, their fanclub (which is renowned for leaving children unattended whilst on holiday) will continue to do it because they wish to emulate their heroes, even if it means losing a child, is that the long and the short of it?
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Brietta on March 19, 2017, 06:01:07 PM
Sandwich boards bit tacky even for the cheapo holiday seeking McCanns .OXFORD street, hell No! anywhere in Liverpool though.   However an acknowledgement of their 'mistake' to those who share their 'culture' of leaving their children alone would be a benefit I am sure. They are revered by people who behave just like them and they are ambassadors for 'missing' children after all.

Madeleine's mother spends a great deal of time helping the families of other missing people with whom she shares an empathy.

Madeleine's father has a day job ... at which I believe he excels.

What a tremendous pity that you choose to drag a charity, founded to help publicise the missing and give succour to their families, into a diatribe directed at an individual who has a connection with it for very obvious and sad reasons.

Kate McCann puts time and she puts effort into doing the best she can to assist the children you and others think may be short changed and neglected by the system.

If you and others are genuinely concerned about their plight I am sure there are practical and rewarding ways of offering your assistance.
The Missing People Charity does not need to be used as a battering ram to vent spleen on one of their families.  They have more pressing issues to consider.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: stephen25000 on March 19, 2017, 06:05:14 PM
Madeleine's mother spends a great deal of time helping the families of other missing people with whom she shares an empathy.

Madeleine's father has a day job ... at which I believe he excels.

What a tremendous pity that you choose to drag a charity, founded to help publicise the missing and give succour to their families, into a diatribe directed at an individual who has a connection with it for very obvious and sad reasons.

Kate McCann puts time and she puts effort into doing the best she can to assist the children you and others think may be short changed and neglected by the system.

If you and others are genuinely concerned about their plight I am sure there are practical and rewarding ways of offering your assistance.
The Missing People Charity does not need to be used as a battering ram to vent spleen on one of their families.  They have more pressing issues to consider.

Madeleine's mother, along with her husband , left their children undefended.

It is a true disgrace she was made Ambassador for the Missing Peoples charity.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: slartibartfast on March 19, 2017, 06:16:55 PM
Madeleine's mother spends a great deal of time helping the families of other missing people with whom she shares an empathy.

Madeleine's father has a day job ... at which I believe he excels.

What a tremendous pity that you choose to drag a charity, founded to help publicise the missing and give succour to their families, into a diatribe directed at an individual who has a connection with it for very obvious and sad reasons.

Kate McCann puts time and she puts effort into doing the best she can to assist the children you and others think may be short changed and neglected by the system.

If you and others are genuinely concerned about their plight I am sure there are practical and rewarding ways of offering your assistance.
The Missing People Charity does not need to be used as a battering ram to vent spleen on one of their families.  They have more pressing issues to consider.

Wouldn't it be better to try and ruduce the number going missing. If one missing person was prevented surely it would be worth it. As we are constantly told you can't put a price on a life.
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: John on March 19, 2017, 09:28:24 PM
Topic please!  TY
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 19, 2017, 11:46:00 PM
Wouldn't it be better to try and ruduce the number going missing. If one missing person was prevented surely it would be worth it. As we are constantly told you can't put a price on a life.
Would that be something like birth control. 
Title: Re: OTHER MISSING KIDS 'SHORT CHANGED' Matthew Wright says
Post by: Lace on March 20, 2017, 10:12:18 AM
No missing child is ever written off,  if new evidence arises then the Police will investigate it.