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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on April 01, 2017, 01:23:09 AM
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Madeleine McCann’s parents face fresh torment as Portuguese ex-policeman who made shocking claims that they covered up their daughter’s death prepares to publish a SECOND book.
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* Goncalo Amaral claimed Madeleine died in 2007 and her parents covered it up
* He would publish a book in 2008 making claims about Kate and Gerry McCann
* The former police chief is now putting final touches to a second explosive tale
* However McCanns have claimed that no British publisher 'will dare touch' book
By Alexander Robertson For Mailonline
Published: 30 March 2017
The former police chief who shockingly claimed the McCann's covered up their daughter's death is preparing to publish a second explosive book.
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Goncalo Amaral claimed that Madeleine died in 2007 and her parents covered it up, sparking a huge police response both from the UK and abroad.
He published a book in 2008 making his claims and Kate and Gerry McCann, parents of Madeleine, who has been missing for nearly a decade, tried to sue him for libel.
He is now putting the final touches to a second book and is said to be looking for a British publisher.
However the McCanns, who have previously dubbed Amaral's version of events as 'poisonous lies', claim 'no publisher will dare touch it', according to The Sun.
A source said: 'If Mr Amaral’s attempts to get his current book or his new one about Madeleine published in the UK lawyers will take immediate action.'
Mr Amaral worked on the case when Madeleine, then three, went missing from the apartment the McCanns were staying in at Praia da Luz as Kate and Gerry ate dinner with friends.
He was moved off the case and resigned six months later but wrote his book using police files as he put forward a theory she had died in the apartment.
Amaral published a book in 2008 making his claims and Kate and Gerry McCann, parents of Madeleine, who has been missing for nearly a decade, tried to sue him for libel.
The McCanns took legal action, saying there was no evidence and his work was defamatory.
The appeal hearing in Lisbon which ruled against the McCanns was held in private.
Mr Amaral, 56, who the McCanns first sued for libel in June 2009, won the lengthy legal fight after judges decided he had the 'right to freedom of expression'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4366008/Madeleine-McCann-ex-policeman-publish-SECOND-book.html#ixzz4cx6fegHo
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3217939/madeleine-mccann-parents-kate-gerry-cop-goncalo-amaral-second-book-10th-anniversary-disappearance/
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Just a rehash of previous stories.nothing of substance concerning any content in the new book,still its all good publicity he doesn't need any publicist.
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Have they decided not to tackle him on his home ground this time? It looks like it.
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So, said he wrote his first book for his 'honour' so why the second book?
Why have it published to correspond with 10th anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance? To me it just looks like spite, getting back at the McCann's, which is what the first book was all about too.
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So, said he wrote his first book for his 'honour' so why the second book?
Why have it published to correspond with 10th anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance? To me it just looks like spite, getting back at the McCann's, which is what the first book was all about too.
It will never match up to the spite of the mccanns. IMO
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So, said he wrote his first book for his 'honour' so why the second book?
Why have it published to correspond with 10th anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance? To me it just looks like spite, getting back at the McCann's, which is what the first book was all about too.
That Lace is hypocrisy.
What do you think the Mccann's pursuit of Amaral through the courts was all about.
"He deserves to be miserable and feel fear." Kate McCann's words in the book 'Madeleine',
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Why shouldn't he write another book, no one knows what is going to be in it yet.
He has gone through pain and suffering, through not fault of his own.
All he did was trying to do was his job, and could have lost everything.
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Why shouldn't he write another book, no one knows what is going to be in it yet.
He has gone through pain and suffering, through not fault of his own.
All he did was trying to do was his job, and could have lost everything.
" no one knows what is going to be in it yet" , this is very true.
He might admit his failings, his errorrs and apologise to the McCann family for all the "pain and suffering" he caused them.
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It will never match up to the spite of the mccanns. IMO
What spite?
Do you mean them taking him to court?
Amaral didn't have to write his book did he? He didn't have to accuse the McCann's of drugging their children and hiding her body did he?
If you had a book written like that about you I don't expect you would just ignore it, especially if your child was missing and the book says your child is dead.
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" no one knows what is going to be in it yet" , this is very true.
He might admit his failings, his errorrs and apologise to the McCann family for all the "pain and suffering" he caused them.
The ''pain and suffering'' are a result of the mccanns actions.
Not Amaral.
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Its paper talk that a book is to be published to correspond with the 10th anniversary (is that the right word) no such thing as bad publicity and of course there are those that will swallow it up to feel offended.
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Why shouldn't he write another book, no one knows what is going to be in it yet.
He has gone through pain and suffering, through not fault of his own.
All he did was trying to do was his job, and could have lost everything.
Amaral decided to retire, no one made him. He decided to write a book, no one made him.
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What spite?
Do you mean them taking him to court?
Amaral didn't have to write his book did he? He didn't have to accuse the McCann's of drugging their children and hiding her body did he?
If you had a book written like that about you I don't expect you would just ignore it, especially if your child was missing and the book says your child is dead.
Excuse me, the mccanns didn't have to leave the children alone - did they
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That Lace is hypocrisy.
What do you think the Mccann's pursuit of Amaral through the courts was all about.
"He deserves to be miserable and feel fear." Kate McCann's words in the book 'Madeleine',
The McCann's pursuit of Amaral through the courts was to stop the selling of his book, telling the world they drugged their children and hid her body. Plus saying their child was dead without proof, and if you say you wouldn't have done the same then I wouldn't believe you. You are quick to say you are reporting someone when they are nasty to you on this forum, let alone writing a book like the one Amaral wrote, imagine if that book had been about YOU.
Amaral made the McCann's feel miserable and fearful, he said they had found 100% DNA of Madeleine's which was a lie, it must have frightened the life out of them thinking Madeleine was dead. How much misery and fear do you think his book caused ?
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Amaral decided to retire, no one made him. He decided to write a book, no one made him.
Someone made him come off the case, what would have happened if he had stayed on it - we will never know.
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Excuse me, the mccanns didn't have to leave the children alone - did they
No, but they did.
That doesn't allow someone to write a book accusing them of drugging their children and faking an abduction does it?
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Someone made him come off the case, what would have happened if he had stayed on it - we will never know.
Someone made him? He was taken off the case because he was slagging off the British police.
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Amaral made the McCann's feel miserable and fearful, he said they had found 100% DNA of Madeleine's which was a lie,
Martin Brunt also said the same in a news report were Sky and himself pursued through the courts?
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The McCann's pursuit of Amaral through the courts was to stop the selling of his book, telling the world they drugged their children and hid her body. Plus saying their child was dead without proof, and if you say you wouldn't have done the same then I wouldn't believe you. You are quick to say you are reporting someone when they are nasty to you on this forum, let alone writing a book like the one Amaral wrote, imagine if that book had been about YOU.
Amaral made the McCann's feel miserable and fearful, he said they had found 100% DNA of Madeleine's which was a lie, it must have frightened the life out of them thinking Madeleine was dead. How much misery and fear do you think his book caused ?
I don't believe that.
It was revenge and the pursuit of money.
They lost the case and gave a worldwide audience to Amaral.
They were already aware Madeleine could already be dead, so your response above doesn't wash.
...and what about Madeline Lace ?
She's the one who disappeared.
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The McCann's pursuit of Amaral through the courts was to stop the selling of his book, telling the world they drugged their children and hid her body. Plus saying their child was dead without proof, and if you say you wouldn't have done the same then I wouldn't believe you. You are quick to say you are reporting someone when they are nasty to you on this forum, let alone writing a book like the one Amaral wrote, imagine if that book had been about YOU.
Amaral made the McCann's feel miserable and fearful, he said they had found 100% DNA of Madeleine's which was a lie, it must have frightened the life out of them thinking Madeleine was dead. How much misery and fear do you think his book caused ?
This is all your opinion ,you don't know whether he was right or wrong.
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I expect his second book will be much the same as the first. I am right they are wrong, this is my theory SY are not investigating properly, this is what they should be doing blah blah blah.
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I expect his second book will be much the same as the first. I am right they are wrong, this is my theory SY are not investigating properly, this is what they should be doing blah blah blah.
If he does?
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Someone made him? He was taken off the case because he was slagging off the British police.
They were interfering in a case, in which they had no jurisdiction.
Remembering of course, until political interference in the case, the UK police advised the PJ to investigate the parents, then it changed for no apparent 'reason' to abduction, regardless of the fact there was no evidence of that.
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This is all your opinion ,you don't know whether he was right or wrong.
Well he got the drugging wrong, Calpol is not a sedative.
There is no way the McCann's could have staged an abduction in the short time offered to them. Gerry was at the Tapas Bar when Kate give the alert.
Plus the idea of hiding your child's body in a cold place [where] for weeks and then transporting her somewhere else is simply idiotic.
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Someone made him? He was taken off the case because he was slagging off the British police.
You think that is a good enough excuse.
Probably because of the interference from them
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They were interfering in a case, in which they had no jurisdiction.
Remembering of course, until political interefence in the case, the UK police advised the PJ to investigate the parents, then it changed for no apparent 'reason' to abduction, regardless of the fact there was no evidence of that.
Conspiracy was it? For goodness sake!!!
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Well he got the drugging wrong, Calpol is not a sedative.
There is no way the McCann's could have staged an abduction in the short time offered to them. Gerry was at the Tapas Bar when Kate give the alert.
Plus the idea of hiding your child's body in a cold place [where] for weeks and then transporting her somewhere else is simply idiotic.
You may change your mind, when you read his new book.
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" no one knows what is going to be in it yet" , this is very true.
He might admit his failings, his errorrs and apologise to the McCann family for all the "pain and suffering" he caused them.
LOL, and pigs might fly.
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They were interfering in a case, in which they had no jurisdiction.
Remembering of course, until political interefence in the case, the UK police advised the PJ to investigate the parents, then it changed for no apparent 'reason' to abduction, regardless of the fact there was no evidence of that.
Conspiracy was it? For goodness sake!!!
There was clear cut political interefence in this case.
Blair and Brown.......
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Someone made him come off the case, what would have happened if he had stayed on it - we will never know.
He caused his own departure by getting caught out breaking his own country's secrecy laws by slagging off the UK police behind their backs to a reporter.
IOW he was caught abusing his power as a policeman. Even he knew he'd dropped a massive clanger, although for once he didn't blame the McCanns - IIRC he blamed the weather.
I'm surprised you didn't know that.
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I expect his second book will be much the same as the first. I am right they are wrong, this is my theory SY are not investigating properly, this is what they should be doing blah blah blah.
If he sticks to his original script then there won't be much to be done about it in Portugal.
However, if he apologises to The McCanns it will definitely be a Best Seller. Even I would buy that.
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Conspiracy was it? For goodness sake!!!
There was clear cut political interefence in this case.
Blair and Brown.......
And José Sócrates. He wanted so badly for Brown to sign the Lisbon Treaty because he believed that it would be the high point of his political career!
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He caused his own departure by getting caught out breaking his own country's secrecy laws by slagging off the UK police behind their backs to a reporter.
IOW he was caught abusing his power as a policeman. Even he knew he'd dropped a massive clanger, although for once he didn't blame the McCanns - IIRC he blamed the weather.
I'm surprised you didn't know that.
Give it a break, UK police 'brief' the press regularly.
...and quite Frankly if the situation had been reversed, do you seriously believe SY would accept interference in a UK case ?
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And José Sócrates. He wanted so badly for Brown to sign the Lisbon Treaty because he believed that it would be the high point of his political career!
Ah yes, he was up to his eyeballs as well.
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LOL - when all else fails - claim a conspiracy.
Soooo predictable.
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LOL - when all else fails - claim a conspiracy.
Soooo predictable.
Not a conspiracy.
Merely a FACT.
LOL.
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He caused his own departure by getting caught out breaking his own country's secrecy laws by slagging off the UK police behind their backs to a reporter.
IOW he was caught abusing his power as a policeman. Even he knew he'd dropped a massive clanger, although for once he didn't blame the McCanns - IIRC he blamed the weather.
I'm surprised you didn't know that.
I did know, what he did was criticize - the british police.
IMO , they would have got rid of him anyway -he was on the right track.
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LOL - when all else fails - claim a conspiracy.
Soooo predictable.
Oh, by the way, what about the conspiracy in the Portuguese Judicial system, we hear from some supporters, to make sure the McCann's lost their case. @)(++(* @)(++(*
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And José Sócrates. He wanted so badly for Brown to sign the Lisbon Treaty because he believed that it would be the high point of his political career!
Hilarious. You actually believe that Gordon Brown said ' We know the McCanns are guilty but do us a favour and tell the PJ to pretend Madeleine was abducted - and then I'll sign your treaty.'
What nonsense.
No-one in government would even dream of risking their own necks or their own jobs/futures by being part of a conspiracy on behalf of an unknown, unimportant couple from Leicester. Especially a conspiracy which could blow up their faces at any time in the future.
Too daft for words.
IMO
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I did know, what he did was criticize - the british police.
IMO , they would have got rid of him anyway -he was on the right track.
Who is "they"?
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Hilarious. You actually believe that Gordon Brown said ' We know the McCanns are guilty but do us a favour and tell the PJ to pretend Madeleine was abducted - and then I'll sign your treaty.'
What nonsense.
No-one in government would even dream of risking their own necks or their own jobs/futures by being part of a conspiracy on behalf of an unknown, unimportant couple from Leicester. Especially a conspiracy which could blow up their faces at any time in the future.
Too daft for words.
IMO
B.S.
More like, you do a favour for me, I'll do a favour for you.
We already know McCann had governmental connections.
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Hilarious. You actually believe that Gordon Brown said ' We know the McCanns are guilty but do us a favour and tell the PJ to pretend Madeleine was abducted - and then I'll sign your treaty.'
What nonsense.
No-one in government would even dream of risking their own necks or their own jobs/futures by being part of a conspiracy on behalf of an unknown, unimportant couple from Leicester. Especially a conspiracy which could blow up their faces at any time in the future.
Too daft for words.
IMO
It is and I am always amazed that intelligent folk can believe such tripe.
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Oh, by the way, what about the conspiracy in the Portuguese Judicial system, we hear from some supporters, to make sure the McCann's lost their case. @)(++(* @)(++(*
Laugh all you like you can't change the facts.
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It is and I am always amazed that intelligent folk can believe such tripe.
Not tripe, simply facts.
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Oh, by the way, what about the conspiracy in the Portuguese Judicial system, we hear from some supporters, to make sure the McCann's lost their case. @)(++(* @)(++(*
Why are you asking me? You're the one who doesn't seem to have a problem supporting the idea of a conspiracy willingly entered into by a high ranking Portuguese - i.e. Jose Socrates.
The only conspiracy I know about is elements of the PJ conspiring with the media to conduct a massive smear campain against the McCanns and their friends in order to turn public opinion against them.
IMO
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B.S.
More like, you do a favour for me, I'll do a favour for you.
We already know McCann had governmental connections.
No, we don't know. Please don't post opinion as fact. Lol.
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No, we don't know. Please don't post opinion as fact. Lol.
It is a matter of fact Eleanor, that Brown discussed the McCann case with Socrates.
LOL.
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It is a matter of fact Eleanor, that Brown discussed the McCann case with Socrates.
LOL.
Fine. What did they say?
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Why are you asking me? You're the one who doesn't seem to have a problem supporting the idea of a conspiracy willingly entered into by a high ranking Portuguese - i.e. Jose Socrates.
The only conspiracy I know about is elements of the PJ conspiring with the media to conduct a massive smear campain against the McCanns and their friends in order to turn public opinion against them.
IMO
Smear campaign ? @)(++(*
..and what have the UK Tabloid press done in reverse ?
Counting chickens, or was it Sardines ? @)(++(*
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It is a matter of fact Eleanor, that Brown discussed the McCann case with Socrates.
LOL.
That is different to saying "McCann had governmental connections".
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Fine. What did they say?
Well, I wasn't there funnily enough, but there's this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7051637.stm
Don't tell me you forgot.
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Well, I wasn't there funnily enough, but there's this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7051637.stm
Don't tell me you forgot.
Hardly news.
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That is different to saying "McCann had governmental connections".
Have you never been quangoed ?
GM was. 8(0(*
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Well, I wasn't there funnily enough, but there's this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7051637.stm
Don't tell me you forgot.
Cooperation. Okay, I see.
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Have you never been quangoed ?
GM was. 8(0(*
Cite please?
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Cooperation. Okay, I see.
i.e. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.
'...Since Madeleine went missing from a holiday apartment in the Algarve on 3 May, Mr Brown has received regular briefings on the case.
He is known to have spoken to the Portuguese premier in early July when he thanked him for his help in the search for the four-year-old.
On occasions, he has had telephone contact with the missing girl's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann....'
..and there's more.
Now why would Brown pay a particular interest in this case and WHAT ABOUT OTHER CASES OF MISSING CHILDREN...??? &%+((£
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i.e. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.
'...Since Madeleine went missing from a holiday apartment in the Algarve on 3 May, Mr Brown has received regular briefings on the case.
He is known to have spoken to the Portuguese premier in early July when he thanked him for his help in the search for the four-year-old.
On occasions, he has had telephone contact with the missing girl's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann....'
..and there's more.
Now why would Brown pay a particular interest in this case and WHAT ABOUT OTHER CASES OF MISSING CHILDREN...??? &%+((£
Why would he not?
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Cite please?
ALREADY on this forum.
You can use google, can't you.
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Well, I wasn't there funnily enough, but there's this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7051637.stm
Don't tell me you forgot.
Is that supposed to be proof of a massive conspiracy? You cannot be serious Stephen.
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Why would he not?
Can you cite other cases of missing children that Brown got involved in ?
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Is that supposed to be proof of a massive conspiracy? You cannot be serious Stephen.
Why would Brown need to be involved ???
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ALREADY on this forum.
You can use google, can't you.
You are goading again, Stephen. But I really don't like deleting things, of yours or anyone else's. So please stop.
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i.e. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.
'...Since Madeleine went missing from a holiday apartment in the Algarve on 3 May, Mr Brown has received regular briefings on the case.
He is known to have spoken to the Portuguese premier in early July when he thanked him for his help in the search for the four-year-old.
On occasions, he has had telephone contact with the missing girl's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann....'
..and there's more.
Now why would Brown pay a particular interest in this case and WHAT ABOUT OTHER CASES OF MISSING CHILDREN...??? &%+((£
It is a British citizen lost in Portugal. How many of the others fitted that category?
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You are goading again, Stephen. But I really don't like deleting things, of yours or anyone else's. So please stop.
From John.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3861.0
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It is a British citizen lost in Portugal. How many of the others fitted that category?
I am waiting for any other cases, other than Madeleine.
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I am waiting for any other cases, other than Madeleine.
Probably no others.
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Why are you asking me? You're the one who doesn't seem to have a problem supporting the idea of a conspiracy willingly entered into by a high ranking Portuguese - i.e. Jose Socrates.
The only conspiracy I know about is elements of the PJ conspiring with the media to conduct a massive smear campain against the McCanns and their friends in order to turn public opinion against them.
IMO
Isn't it somewhat libellous to suggest that Jose Socrates conspired to ensure the McCanns were never prosecuted?
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It is a British citizen lost in Portugal. How many of the others fitted that category?
I didn't mention just Portugal, did I.
Missing children per se.
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I didn't mention just Portugal, did I.
Missing children per se.
But the Portuguese prime minister isn't going to get involved with cases in the UK is he?
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But the Portuguese prime minister isn't going to get involved with cases in the UK is he?
Are you being obtuse ?
I was asking for any other cases of missing children where Brown has got involved.
I wasn't talking about Socrates.
As to him...........
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30177599
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Can you cite other cases of missing children that Brown got involved in ?
What has that got to do with the claim that a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice was agreed to by Socrates in order for a treaty to be signed.
This was a case being watched by the world. A little girl from the UK had disappeared in Portugal. If you really can't understand why Brown would mention this case to his Portuguese counterpart when they met - then I can't help you.
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Are you being obtuse ?
I was asking for any other cases of missing children where Brown has got involved.
I wasn't talking about Socrates.
As to him...........
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30177599
I have reviewed our exchange and I'm right.
Stephen: "Now why would Brown pay a particular interest in this case and WHAT ABOUT OTHER CASES OF MISSING CHILDREN...??? &%+((£
Rob: It is a British citizen lost in Portugal. How many of the others fitted that category?
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I have reviewed our exchange and I'm right.
Stephen: "Now why would Brown pay a particular interest in this case and WHAT ABOUT OTHER CASES OF MISSING CHILDREN...??? &%+((£
Rob: It is a British citizen lost in Portugal. How many of the others fitted that category?
I asked for other cases where Brown has been involved.
Still waiting.
By the way, don't add your typed material to mine.
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What other high profile cases of missing children abroad were there during Brown's brief tenure as PM?
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What other high profile cases of missing children abroad were there during Brown's brief tenure as PM?
Ben Needham.
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UK police said investigate the McCann's.
It then changed tack to abduction.
FACT.
thats correct and good policework...parent suspects...charge or eliminate...leaving abduction
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thats correct and good policework...parent suspects...charge or eliminate...leaving abduction
There was no evidence of abduction.
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What has that got to do with the claim that a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice was agreed to by Socrates in order for a treaty to be signed.
This was a case being watched by the world. A little girl from the UK had disappeared in Portugal. If you really can't understand why Brown would mention this case to his Portuguese counterpart when they met - then I can't help you.
Stop diverting.
Why didn't Brown get involved in other cases such of missing children ?
e.g. Ben Needham.
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There was no evidence of abduction.
so what do you think will be in his second book
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so what do you think will be in his second book
Mayhap there will be no second book...... &%+((£
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so what do you think will be in his second book
How would I know dave ?
I feel sure you are eagerly anticipating it's release.
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How would I know dave ?
I feel sure you are eagerly anticipating it's release.
well both of you are wrong...there already has been a second booka nd it was a total flop
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6385.0
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well both of you are wrong...there already has been a second booka nd it was a total flop
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6385.0
Not really, the McCanns gave him a global platform of publicity, so who knows?
So the McCanns feel anguish... yeah well can we get a picture of this anguish, knowing that they claimed the first book caused more pain than their daughter being 'abducted'. The Judge knew what she was asking and the reply confirmed and my suspicion.
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well both of you are wrong...there already has been a second booka nd it was a total flop
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6385.0
Not this one.
You do realise of course that the one under discussion is coming this month.
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Not this one.
You do realise of course that the one under discussion is coming this month.
So the third book
When is the release date
Does he have a publisher
Does he have a release date
Are you just confused
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well both of you are wrong...there already has been a second booka nd it was a total flop
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6385.0
So the thread title needs to be changed to " blah dee bleedin' da" third book" then.
So mayhap the existence of a third book is a wind up.
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So the thread title needs to be changed to " blah dee bleedin' da" third book" then.
So mayhap the existence of a third book is a wind up.
Does he have a publisher
Is there a book
Who knows
But it isn't his second book
That's been and gone
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So the third book
When is the release date
Does he have a publisher
Does he have a release date
Are you just confused
Just wait until the end of April dave.
As to your 'Are you just confused' ?
How many times have you used phrase on other posters ?
Or is that too confusing for you to work out ? 8(0(*
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Just wait until the end of April dave.
As to your 'Are you just confused' ?
How many times have you used phrase on other posters ?
Or is that too confusing for you to work out ? 8(0(*
You said the book was coming out this month
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Does he have a publisher
Is there a book
Who knows
But it isn't his second book
That's been and gone
I never gave a rats ass about the first one how should I know anything about a third?
In fact I didn't even know who Sr Amaral was or that he had written a book until mid 2013.
The McCann case was not high on my list of priorities or interests before then. In fact it isn't the case that interests me now it is the behaviour of the two opposing groups that I find interesting.
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You said the book was coming out this month
That's what the UK Press is saying dave.
Do keep up.
After all, the UK press is reliable and upstanding. 8)--))
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I never gave a rats ass about the first one how should I know anything about a third?
In fact I didn't even know who Sr Amaral was or that he had written a book until mid 2013.
The McCann case was not high on my list of priorities or interests before then. In fact it isn't the case that interests me now it is the behaviour of the two opposing groups that I find interesting.
I find the behaviour of the two opposing groups boring and predictable
It's what happens next that interests me
The McCanns are getting more and more abuse
How will they respond
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I find the behaviour of the two opposing groups boring and predictable
It's what happens next that interests me
The McCanns are getting more and more abuse
How will they respond
You are in the pro-Mccann group. 8**8:/:
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You are in the pro-Mccann group. 8**8:/:
im aware of that
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That's what the UK Press is saying dave.
Do keep up.
After all, the UK press is reliable and upstanding. 8)--))
the article doesnt say that
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the article doesnt say that
Like the rest of us, wait and see.
I'm sure you will enjoy reading it.
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Like the rest of us, wait and see.
I'm sure you will enjoy reading it.
so the article doesnt say what you think...it actually says hes looking for a uk publisher....
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so the article doesnt say what you think...it actually says hes looking for a uk publisher....
You do realize there are several articles, and other sources.
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You do realize there are several articles, and other sources.
theres only one source....several articles ...none saying the book will be published this month....
do you realise this all emanates from the original article....theres absolutely nothing new here from a similar article a month ago
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Isn't it somewhat libellous to suggest that Jose Socrates conspired to ensure the McCanns were never prosecuted?
Then let him sue. I hear Duarte is looking for work @)(++(*
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I asked for other cases where Brown has been involved.
Still waiting.
By the way, don't add your typed material to mine.
Does this matter? Stephen: "By the way, don't add your typed material to mine." Surely it is no different than taking a quote from anywhere else.
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theres only one source....several articles ...none saying the book will be published this month....
do you realise this all emanates from the original article....theres absolutely nothing new here from a similar article a month ago
If he releases the book on the 10th anniversary that will give him quite a lot of free publicity.
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Like the rest of us, wait and see.
I'm sure you will enjoy reading it.
You mean burning it!
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If he releases the book on the 10th anniversary that will give him quite a lot of free publicity.
I'm not convinced there is a second book ready to be published
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I'm not convinced there is a second book ready to be published
Knowing his cunning this seems to be the opportune time. Even if he re-releases his 2nd book.
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Knowing his cunning this seems to be the opportune time. Even if he re-releases his 2nd book.
I don't think he's cunning at all
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Knowing his cunning this seems to be the opportune time. Even if he re-releases his 2nd book.
Third Book. The second one bombed.
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Knowing his cunning this seems to be the opportune time. Even if he re-releases his 2nd book.
Cunning? What on earth makes you see him as cunning?
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I don't think he's cunning at all
There are other adjectives I would prefer to use.
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Stop diverting.
Why didn't Brown get involved in other cases such of missing children ?
e.g. Ben Needham.
Because Ben Needham wasn't front page news every day and so there would have been very little mileage in it for Gordon Brown, who saw an opportunity to look good with the voters by getting involved and trying to appear helpful.
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I don't think he's cunning at all
C'mon, it's a bit of a cunning stunt. *&*%£
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Because Ben Needham wasn't front page news every day and so there would have been very little mileage in it for Gordon Brown, who saw an opportunity to look good with the voters by getting involved and trying to appear helpful.
Politics has changed since Ben went missing
Much more PR now
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C'mon, it's a bit of a cunning stunt. *&*%£
Oh My. But too good to miss.
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Because Ben Needham wasn't front page news every day and so there would have been very little mileage in it for Gordon Brown, who saw an opportunity to look good with the voters by getting involved and trying to appear helpful.
Gordon Brown trying to look good with the voters. *&*%£
That's a classic Alfie.
There is a more simpler explanation.
Pythonesque Style. 8(>((
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Gordon Brown trying to look good with the voters. *&*%£
That's a classic Alfie.
There is a more simpler explanation.
Pythonesque Style. 8(>((
I'm not quite sure what you mean but yes, it was undoubtedly considered good PR to get involved in the biggest news story of the day. Or maybe he genuinely cared about a couple of Brits and their children who seemed to be going through an awful ordeal abroad. But if you think it was because Gerry was secretly pulling his strings behind the scenes, that I very much doubt indeed.
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I'm not quite sure what you mean but yes, it was undoubtedly considered good PR to get involved in the biggest news story of the day. Or maybe he genuinely cared about a couple of Brits and their children who seemed to be going through an awful ordeal abroad. But if you think it was because Gerry was secretly pulling his strings behind the scenes, that I very much doubt indeed.
No Alfie, that is not what I meant.
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Has Amaral finally seen the light?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-relieved-portuguese-10141308
The parents of Madeleine McCann have been told the policeman who made vile claims about her disappearance has shelved plans for a second book.
Goncalo Amaral, who led the hunt in the Algarve when Maddie vanished aged three a decade ago, was said to have been planning a new book on the case.
The Portuguese ex-detective’s 2008 book – The Truth of the Lie – claimed the McCanns faked an abduction. It was never released in the UK and sparked a legal battle between the former officer and Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry.
Amaral, 57, was planning a controversial follow-up but the Sunday Mirror can reveal the project has been axed.
His publisher and friend Manuel Fonseca – head of Guerra e Paz Editores, the firm which published Amaral’s first book – told us: “There is no book. It doesn’t exist, even as a draft. It may be he would like to work on a book some time, but for the moment that book doesn’t exist.”
A McCann source said: “It will be a huge relief for Kate and Gerry.”
Sources said the proposed book was to focus on Operation Grange, the £10million Metropolitan police probe into Madeleine’s disapperance. Amaral’s first book was published three days after Portuguese authorities closed the inquiry into Madeleine’s disappearance in 2008 and cleared Kate and Gerry of any wrongdoing.
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Saying nothing.
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Has Amaral finally seen the light?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-relieved-portuguese-10141308
The parents of Madeleine McCann have been told the policeman who made vile claims about her disappearance has shelved plans for a second book.
Goncalo Amaral, who led the hunt in the Algarve when Maddie vanished aged three a decade ago, was said to have been planning a new book on the case.
The Portuguese ex-detective’s 2008 book – The Truth of the Lie – claimed the McCanns faked an abduction. It was never released in the UK and sparked a legal battle between the former officer and Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry.
Amaral, 57, was planning a controversial follow-up but the Sunday Mirror can reveal the project has been axed.
His publisher and friend Manuel Fonseca – head of Guerra e Paz Editores, the firm which published Amaral’s first book – told us: “There is no book. It doesn’t exist, even as a draft. It may be he would like to work on a book some time, but for the moment that book doesn’t exist.”
A McCann source said: “It will be a huge relief for Kate and Gerry.”
Sources said the proposed book was to focus on Operation Grange, the £10million Metropolitan police probe into Madeleine’s disapperance. Amaral’s first book was published three days after Portuguese authorities closed the inquiry into Madeleine’s disappearance in 2008 and cleared Kate and Gerry of any wrongdoing.
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I don't think he has, Misty.
Quite simply, he has nothing to write about. What does he know about Operation Grange?
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I don't think he has, Misty.
Quite simply, he has nothing to write about. What does he know about Operation Grange?
Closer to the truth is probably that no publisher in Portugal wants to take it on.
It would be translated and all over The Internet for free within a week. Oh, and in Portuguese as well. No real profit in that.
Although I can't say that I really care.
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I'm not convinced there is a second book ready to be published
You're bang on Davel
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-relieved-portuguese-10141308
8((()*/
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I don't think he has, Misty.
Quite simply, he has nothing to write about. What does he know about Operation Grange?
I am rather hoping that a little birdie has tipped him off that arrests are imminent so to publish a new book would be a total waste of money. My evil alter-ego hopes that he actually has wasted months writing a useless book.
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"His publisher and friend Manuel Fonseca – head of Guerra e Paz Editores, the firm which published Amaral’s first book – told us: “There is no book. It doesn’t exist, even as a draft. It may be he would like to work on a book some time, but for the moment that book doesn’t exist.”"
@)(++(*
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You're bang on Davel
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-relieved-portuguese-10141308
8((()*/
There does seem to be some doubt. But no one will actually want to talk about that.
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"His publisher and friend Manuel Fonseca – head of Guerra e Paz Editores, the firm which published Amaral’s first book – told us: “There is no book. It doesn’t exist, even as a draft. It may be he would like to work on a book some time, but for the moment that book doesn’t exist.”"
@)(++(*
So what was he doing in Switzerland if not writing a book and why were people told last April his new book had been completed?
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So what was he doing in Switzerland if not writing a book and why were people told last April his new book had been completed?
Mayhap he was looking for a Swiss Publisher. Who could possibly know?
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Guerra & Paz only published A Verdade da Mentira. Gonçalo Amaral wrote two other books afterwards, which were published by a different editor. So why are people assuming that Guerra & Paz is going to publish his new book? Do people think that there are no other publishers in Portugal?
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Guerra & Paz only published A Verdade da Mentira. Gonçalo Amaral wrote two other books afterwards, which were published by a different editor. So why are people assuming that Guerra & Paz is going to publish his new book? Do people think that there are no other publishers in Portugal?
His friend says there's no book - is he lying, or is Amaral lying to him?
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His friend says there's no book - is he lying, or is Amaral lying to him?
Somedebody is telling porkies. And that's a fact.
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You're bang on Davel
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-relieved-portuguese-10141308
8((()*/
Always remembering what day it was yesterday?
Remember too that Amaral has already admitted putting the finishing touches to a new book.
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Always remembering what day it was yesterday?
Remember too that Amaral has already admitted putting the finishing touches to a new book.
There is no book John
If there was amaral would not be looking for a publisher
They would be chasing him
Who would want to read a book about the SY investigation
The whole idea is ridiculous
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There is no book John
If there was amaral would not be looking for a publisher
They would be chasing him
Who would want to read a book about the SY investigation
The whole idea is ridiculous
I expect time will tell. There was one direct quote from Amaral in May 2016;
“I have written another book, examining the timeline and what people have said, and I am looking to publish that.
“I enjoy writing books and relaxing and I will continue to do that.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/666020/Madeleine-McCann-maddie-anniversary-detective-book-Goncalo-Amaral
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I expect time will tell. There was one direct quote from Amaral in May 2016;
“I have written another book, examining the timeline and what people have said, and I am looking to publish that.
“I enjoy writing books and relaxing and I will continue to do that.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/666020/Madeleine-McCann-maddie-anniversary-detective-book-Goncalo-Amaral
You would have to say there is a book in some state of completeness. But if I was Amaral I would tread carefully criticising police departments in Portugal or England.
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I expect time will tell. There was one direct quote from Amaral in May 2016;
“I have written another book, examining the timeline and what people have said, and I am looking to publish that.
“I enjoy writing books and relaxing and I will continue to do that.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/666020/Madeleine-McCann-maddie-anniversary-detective-book-Goncalo-Amaral
It's not a direct quote
Amaral does not speak English
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So the thread title need's amending seeing as there will be no fresh anguish from a non book.
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So the thread title need's amending seeing as there will be no fresh anguish from a non book.
Give it another 10 years to be sure.
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Is any other newspaper taking up the Mirror story ?
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Guerra & Paz only published A Verdade da Mentira. Gonçalo Amaral wrote two other books afterwards, which were published by a different editor. So why are people assuming that Guerra & Paz is going to publish his new book? Do people think that there are no other publishers in Portugal?
The only assuming taking place is that amaral really is intending to bring out a new book
It looks like I was right and he isn't
Doesn't take much intelligence to work out why the story was false
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The only assuming taking place is that amaral really is intending to bring out a new book
It looks like I was right and he isn't
Doesn't take much intelligence to work out why the story was false
You mean the Mirror 'story' ?
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You mean the Mirror 'story' ?
thers no new book....remember i told you that before the mirror story came out......its obvious why the whole story is bogus
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Is any other newspaper taking up the Mirror story ?
Looks as if the Sun is,wonderful piece of shite, reporting.No mention of the Supreme court ruling,no mention of the fact that he does not have to pay them anything.
Amaral’s first book was published just three days after the Portuguese authorities’ probe cleared the McCanns of wrongdoing in 2008.
In 2015, he was ordered to pay the couple, both 48 and from Rothley in Leicestershire, £360,000 in damages.
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Still its a quick turn around,John opened this thread in the early hours of yesterday only for the story to do a complete u-turn in a matter of hours,tis the silly season to be sure.
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thers no new book....remember i told you that before the mirror story came out......its obvious why the whole story is bogus
You still know nothing.
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You still know nothing.
you sound like Manuel...LOL
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you sound like Manuel...LOL
I was referring to you as another Manuel 8((()*/
Evidently, you didn't get that.
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I was referring to you as another Manuel 8((()*/
Evidently, you didn't get that.
theres no new book....you said yesterday it was coming out this month....you have been fooled
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theres no new book....you said yesterday it was coming out this month....you have been fooled
Let's see what happens.
He has already stated on the record, he had been writing another book dave.
Why are you so upset ?
You take anything w.r.t. Amaral, very personally.
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Let's see what happens.
He has already stated on the record, he had been writing another book dave.
Why are you so upset ?
You take anything w.r.t. Amaral, very personally.
rubbish...he has made no statements on record....just second hand newsaper reports
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His publisher and friend Manuel Fonseca – head of Guerra e Paz Editores, the firm which published Amaral’s first book – told us: “There is no book. It doesn’t exist, even as a draft. It may be he would like to work on a book some time, but for the moment that book doesn’t exist.”
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His publisher and friend Manuel Fonseca – head of Guerra e Paz Editores, the firm which published Amaral’s first book – told us: “There is no book. It doesn’t exist, even as a draft. It may be he would like to work on a book some time, but for the moment that book doesn’t exist.”
That is a second hand comment.
Let's have one from the man himself directly.
After all, the Mirror in this case, has been 100% behind the McCann's.
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As a reminder dave, you weren't prepared to take a quote from Amaral saying he was already writing a book some time ago.
So, by the same logic, why should anyone take a second hand 'comment' from Amaral's publisher ?
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As a reminder dave, you weren't prepared to take a quote from Amaral saying he was already writing a book some time ago.
So, by the same logic, why should anyone take a second hand 'comment' from Amaral's publisher ?
it isnt second hand its first hand.......and the language is such that it looks like the publisher speaks english
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it isnt second hand its first hand.......and the language is such that it looks like the publisher speaks english
If it is first hand, provide the quotation directly from his publisher.
The Mirror doesn't count.
Besides, as you are fond of reminding us, you should not believe everything you read in papers like the Sun. 8)--))
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May 2016 after the appeal was successful.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/666020/Madeleine-McCann-maddie-anniversary-detective-book-Goncalo-Amaral
Mr Amaral, now retired, said he bore no ill will against the McCanns, but revealed he had completed a second book.He said: “Winning the appeal case gives me no joy or happiness. It is just part of the legal process. “I will defend my reputation, and the integrity of the officers who worked with me, in the courts but I just want a quiet peaceful life.
“I am pleased I have a court ruling which defends the freedom of expression. “I was invited to book signings now the book is back on sale but I turned them down. I don’t want to be in the spotlight.
“I have written another book, examining the timeline and what people have said, and I am looking to publish that.
“I enjoy writing books and relaxing and I will continue to do that.
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Portugal resident May 2016.
http://portugalresident.com/maddie-cop-reveals-he-is-writing-second-book-as-ninth-anniversary-brings-rush-of-new-stories
Portugal Resident Feb 2017.
http://portugalresident.com/tabloid-scramble-cranks-up-pressure-on-%E2%80%9Csecond-maddie-book%E2%80%9D
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May 2016 after the appeal was successful.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/666020/Madeleine-McCann-maddie-anniversary-detective-book-Goncalo-Amaral
So, who to believe....? &%+((£
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So, who to believe....? &%+((£
The Express article gives a quote attributed to Mr Amaral,the Mirror article does not,simples.
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The Express article gives a quote attributed to Mr Amaral,the Mirror article does not,simples.
The Mirror quotes his friend who has stated most unequivocally that there is no book. Why would he do so if it were not true, in your opinion?
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The Mirror quotes his friend who has stated most unequivocally that there is no book. Why would he do so if it were not true, in your opinion?
How do we know the quote comes directly from his friend ?
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The Mirror quotes his friend who has stated most unequivocally that there is no book. Why would he do so if it were not true, in your opinion?
Haven't a clue but l the question could be reversed which in all honesty would a waste of time knowing already what the response would be from certain quarters.
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If it is first hand, provide the quotation directly from his publisher.
The Mirror doesn't count.
Besides, as you are fond of reminding us, you should not believe everything you read in papers like the Sun. 8)--))
but i said there was no book before either article came out....remember.......my prediction was based on logic
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If it is first hand, provide the quotation directly from his publisher.
The Mirror doesn't count.
Besides, as you are fond of reminding us, you should not believe everything you read in papers like the Sun. 8)--))
I already have done
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I already have done
You have not shown it came from the publisher.
The quote is hearsay. 8)--))
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Portugal resident May 2016.
http://portugalresident.com/maddie-cop-reveals-he-is-writing-second-book-as-ninth-anniversary-brings-rush-of-new-stories
Portugal Resident Feb 2017.
http://portugalresident.com/tabloid-scramble-cranks-up-pressure-on-%E2%80%9Csecond-maddie-book%E2%80%9D
quote from the portugal Resident...
The paper also claims that “Truth of the Lie” was “never translated into English for publication in the UK because it would have breached strict libel laws”.
These are all more than likely to be reports that need to be taken with large quantities of salt.
Carter Ruck’s lawyers may well be watching, but the reality is that the finding of the appeal court last year - and dismissal of the subsequent McCann appeal by the Supreme Court last month - means that “Madeleine: The Truth of the Lie” is not considered defamatory after painstaking and rigorous legal challenges.
so they believe based on the portuguese jusgement the book would not be defamatory in the UK...added to the fact that the court did not rule the book was not defamatory....portugues resident is a pathetic source of information based on that
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You have not shown it came from the publisher.
The quote is hearsay. 8)--))
it is a quote....then every published quote is hearsay...and i will never let you forget that
so what are the non verbatim twice translated statements?
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How do we know the quote comes directly from his friend ?
Because it says so, unless you're claiming that the Mirror made the whole quote up and falsely attributed it to Amaral's publisher and friend? In which case we may as well disbelieve every single word that appears in every newspaper whether the source is named or not. Happy to play that game if you want.
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We shall soon have an answer to this particular question estion within 28 days. Meanwhile keep an eye on Portuguse online booksellers. It would be most unusual for a book by such a world renowned celeb and author not to have his new book put up for pre-sales. 8(0(*
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We shall soon have an answer to this particular question estion within 28 days. Meanwhile keep an eye on Portuguse online booksellers. It would be most unusual for a book by such a world renowned celeb and author not to have his new book put up for pre-sales. 8(0(*
to be released this month the book would already have had to be publshed....printed and ready for distribution...
that is illogical....i'm sure stephen can understand that
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to be released this month the book would already have had to be publshed....printed and ready for distribution...
that is illogical....i'm sure stephen can understand that
Maybe it's one of those Kindle-only books, self-published? Or maybe he's waiting for Sonia Poulton's video to come out first... @)(++(*
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Madeleine McCann’s parents face fresh torment as Portuguese ex-policeman who made shocking claims that they covered up their daughter’s death prepares to publish a SECOND book.
(http://i.imgur.com/vXOx0hK.jpg?1)
* Goncalo Amaral claimed Madeleine died in 2007 and her parents covered it up
* He would publish a book in 2008 making claims about Kate and Gerry McCann
* The former police chief is now putting final touches to a second explosive tale
* However McCanns have claimed that no British publisher 'will dare touch' book
By Alexander Robertson For Mailonline
Published: 30 March 2017
The former police chief who shockingly claimed the McCann's covered up their daughter's death is preparing to publish a second explosive book.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/30/22/3EC9B10B00000578-4366008-image-a-47_1490908828071.jpg) (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/30/22/3EC9B11F00000578-4366008-image-a-46_1490908828041.jpg)
Goncalo Amaral claimed that Madeleine died in 2007 and her parents covered it up, sparking a huge police response both from the UK and abroad.
He published a book in 2008 making his claims and Kate and Gerry McCann, parents of Madeleine, who has been missing for nearly a decade, tried to sue him for libel.
He is now putting the final touches to a second book and is said to be looking for a British publisher.
However the McCanns, who have previously dubbed Amaral's version of events as 'poisonous lies', claim 'no publisher will dare touch it', according to The Sun.
A source said: 'If Mr Amaral’s attempts to get his current book or his new one about Madeleine published in the UK lawyers will take immediate action.'
Mr Amaral worked on the case when Madeleine, then three, went missing from the apartment the McCanns were staying in at Praia da Luz as Kate and Gerry ate dinner with friends.
He was moved off the case and resigned six months later but wrote his book using police files as he put forward a theory she had died in the apartment.
Amaral published a book in 2008 making his claims and Kate and Gerry McCann, parents of Madeleine, who has been missing for nearly a decade, tried to sue him for libel.
The McCanns took legal action, saying there was no evidence and his work was defamatory.
The appeal hearing in Lisbon which ruled against the McCanns was held in private.
Mr Amaral, 56, who the McCanns first sued for libel in June 2009, won the lengthy legal fight after judges decided he had the 'right to freedom of expression'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4366008/Madeleine-McCann-ex-policeman-publish-SECOND-book.html#ixzz4cx6fegHo
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3217939/madeleine-mccann-parents-kate-gerry-cop-goncalo-amaral-second-book-10th-anniversary-disappearance/
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So how many (collective) hours have we wasted, and how much bandwidth expended. discussing a non-event?
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So how many (collective) hours have we wasted, and how much bandwidth expended. discussing a non-event?
Would that be like an unproven abduction ?
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Would that be like an unproven abduction ?
No, just the possible abduction.
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No, just the possible abduction.
..and the possible accidental death, or walking out of the apartment.
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..and the possible accidental death, or walking out of the apartment.
Yes we have looked at them all.
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Yes we have looked at them all.
Really.
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Really.
Over the last year I remember all these topics have come up.
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So is he going to publish his book or not?
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So is he going to publish his book or not?
This is far too important a question to leave to the press hacks. I have queried this with our Portuguese contacts so hopefully I will have a definitive reply for the forum very soon.
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This is far too important a question to leave to the press hacks. I have queried this with our Portuguese contacts so hopefully I will have a definitive reply for the forum very soon.
There is no book for reasons that are obvious
And remember I said this BEFORE the papers ran the story
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There is no book for reasons that are obvious
And remember I said this BEFORE the papers ran the story
Gonçalo has already gone on record stating that he was putting the finishing touches to his latest book but maybe he is delaying publication due to the imminent anniversary. Time will tell.
There is a much more sinister story yet to tell, consequently, the British public need to read it to understand what really went on in Portugal, Spain and Morocco.
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There is no book for reasons that are obvious
And remember I said this BEFORE the papers ran the story
Stop it.
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Gonçalo has already gone on record stating that he was putting the finishing touches to his latest book but maybe he is delaying publication due to the imminent anniversary. Time will tell.
There is a much deeper more sinister story yet to tell and the British public need to read it.
When there is a vacuum you can put any rubbish in there which is what you are doing
Total total rubbish
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Gonçalo has already gone on record stating that he was putting the finishing touches to his latest book but maybe he is delaying publication due to the imminent anniversary. Time will tell.
There is a much more sinister story yet to tell, consequently, the British public need to read it to understand what really went on in Portugal, Spain and Morocco.
Sounds like you need to write the book if Goncalo doesn't.
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Fluffy bunnies keep it up.
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There seems to be an assumption he would use the same publisher?
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There seems to be an assumption he would use the same publisher?
The only assumption round here is that his friend who gave the interview is telling the truth and that in turn Amaral is being straight with him.
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Gonçalo has already gone on record stating that he was putting the finishing touches to his latest book but maybe he is delaying publication due to the imminent anniversary. Time will tell.
There is a much more sinister story yet to tell, consequently, the British public need to read it to understand what really went on in Portugal, Spain and Morocco.
More sinister story to tell?
I think so. But I may have in mind a different one from you ...
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More sinister story to tell?
I think so. But I may have in mind a different one from you ...
That would be two books. @)(++(*
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That would be two books. @)(++(*
Maybe we should all write our own books.
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Maybe we should all write our own books.
There are other books with other theories...
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There are other books with other theories...
We'd be in good company then. I think if the book is written by the former lead investigator it immediately has a degree of credence that would not be associated with a book written by myself for instance. Just ask yourself who would you believe Goncalo Amaral or Robittybob?
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We'd be in good company then. I think if the book is written by the former lead investigator it immediately has a degree of credence that would not be associated with a book written by myself for instance. Just ask yourself who would you believe Goncalo Amaral or Robittybob?
Does anyone read a book and believe every word in it? That's about as naive as you can get, except for those who believe what the newspapers print.
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We'd be in good company then. I think if the book is written by the former lead investigator it immediately has a degree of credence that would not be associated with a book written by myself for instance. Just ask yourself who would you believe Goncalo Amaral or Robittybob?
No-brainer: you! (over Goncalo Amaral, although I might raise a quizzical eyebrow over 'multiple cuddlecats'.)
Still, that holds more credibility than 'bodies smuggled into coffins before cremation' and whatever else ....
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Does anyone read a book and believe every word in it? That's about as naive as you can get, except for those who believe what the newspapers print.
I would say the majority of the public believe what the newspaper prints
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Goncalo Amaral? He usually is blamed for most things. Commonly prefaced with literary masterpieces like "bungling disgraced sweaty torturing cop who botched the investigation". Have I missed any?
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Goncalo Amaral? He usually is blamed for most things. Commonly prefaced with literary masterpieces like "bungling disgraced sweaty torturing cop who botched the investigation". Have I missed any?
You've missed a few
Have a look at the article by the Portuguese journalist on the other thread for the full picture
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Please stay within the topic.
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No-brainer: you! (over Goncalo Amaral, although I might raise a quizzical eyebrow over 'multiple cuddlecats'.)
Still, that holds more credibility than 'bodies smuggled into coffins before cremation' and whatever else ....
.............and abduction ? 8(0(*
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No-brainer: you! (over Goncalo Amaral, although I might raise a quizzical eyebrow over 'multiple cuddlecats'.)
Still, that holds more credibility than 'bodies smuggled into coffins before cremation' and whatever else ....
From memory, the cremation tale is not in the book.
As to giving Amaral credence merely because he was in charge at one time, I find the notion laughable. The media has trotted out umpteen so-called experts who have come up with drivel on this case. Drivel is drivel regardless of who spouts it.
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Gonçalo Amaral is contracted to his original publisher in respect of 'The Truth of the Lie' but given the difficulties which they experienced following publication, it is logical to speculate that he has sought someone else to promote his latest literary masterpiece. After all, his second book was published by a different publisher.
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Although Gonçalo Amaral is contracted to his original publisher, his second book was published by a different one. Given the difficulties which his original publisher experienced following publication of 'The Truth of the Lie', it is logical to speculate that he has sought someone else to promote his latest literary masterpiece.
what literary masterpiece would that be.....its logical to speculate taht any publisher would be wary...its logical to speculate that no uk publisher would touch it...its claimed in the article hes looking for a uk publisher. The article also claims hes looking for a uk publisher for his truth of lies book....i really hope he finds one but he wont and would be an absolute fool to think he would....
i think its reasonable to speculate that there is no book
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what literary masterpiece would that be.....its logical to speculate taht any publisher would be wary...its logical to speculate that no uk publisher would touch it...its claimed in the article hes looking for a uk publisher. The article also claims hes looking for a uk publisher for his truth of lies book....i really hope he finds one but he wont and would be an absolute fool to think he would....
i think its reasonable to speculate that there is no book
RHM.
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what literary masterpiece would that be.....its logical to speculate taht any publisher would be wary...its logical to speculate that no uk publisher would touch it...its claimed in the article hes looking for a uk publisher. The article also claims hes looking for a uk publisher for his truth of lies book....i really hope he finds one but he wont and would be an absolute fool to think he would....
i think its reasonable to speculate that there is no book
Given that he is on record stating otherwise, we shall just have to wait and see.
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Given that he is on record stating otherwise, we shall just have to wait and see.
is it a quote john....I dont think it it is.....I think we have all learnt that some of what we read in the papers is simply lies
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Literary masterpiece?
Bloody-hell.
If precedent is anything to go by, potboiler of lies (assuming it exists).
Literary masterpiece...tongue in cheek £4%4%
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is it a quote john....I dont think it it is.....I think we have all learnt that some of what we read in the papers is simply lies
A lot of what the press and media publish is inaccurate, speculative and as you point out, quite often, simply downright lies. Amaral has however indicated on several occasions that he has been spending a lot of time working on a sequel to his original book. At what stage it is or if he will even publish it is the unknown quantity. He may wish to let the dust settle for a while and then take stock.
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Literary masterpiece...tongue in cheek £4%4%
Ah!
OK.
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Ah!
OK.
Personally I don't think his book would ever have been published had it not been about Madeleine McCann.
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From memory, the cremation tale is not in the book.
As to giving Amaral credence merely because he was in charge at one time, I find the notion laughable. The media has trotted out umpteen so-called experts who have come up with drivel on this case. Drivel is drivel regardless of who spouts it.
Would you not agree that there is (or at least should be) a notion of accountability?
That is to say that even if it can't be proven that Amaral was personally and directly responsible for the leaks on his watch, is it not reasonable that he should be held accountable for them?
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According to Amaral his hypothesis was a thesis arrived at by the entire investigative team. Which makes you wonder why he was ever deemed to be important.
And how so much supposed information was leaked, if not by him, or perhaps his incompetence.
Not actually an accolade for Coordinators, is it.
Another book? Personally, I don't think he will chance his arm.
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According to Amaral his hypothesis was a thesis arrived at by the entire investigative team. Which makes you wonder why he was ever deemed to be important.
And how so much supposed information was leaked, if not by him, or perhaps his incompetence.
Not actually an accolade for Coordinators, is it.
Another book? Personally, I don't think he will chance his arm.
Excellent point.
Collective hypothesis.
Collective accountability.
All should go hand-in-glove.
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Would you not agree that there is (or at least should be) a notion of accountability?
That is to say that even if it can't be proven that Amaral was personally and directly responsible for the leaks on his watch, is it not reasonable that he should be held accountable for them?
In a word, no.
There appears to have been, in 2007, a culture where despite the requirement for judicial secrecy, it was commonplace for the Portuguese police to break bread with journalists and for case details to be discussed. I am not defending this, merely stating that it seems to have been the norm, or at least, not unusual.
In the McCann case in the OG phase, there seem to have been leaks, and the origin of those leaks seems to have been in the UK.
For example, UK media correctly predicted that there were to be 3 areas dug around Luz, even if they guessed the wrong 3 areas. Then there was Andy's helicopter trip over Luz, accompanied by a Sky News helicopter.
I am not aware of either 'event' making the Portuguese media. If they did, kindly correct me because it changes the situation.
If not, the fact that the British media detected this directly suggests OG was leaking.
Expecting Amaral to change a culture on 3 May 2007 is like expecting the Met to cease being racist or sexist overnight. It is simply an unreasonable expectation.
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In a word, no.
There appears to have been, in 2007, a culture where despite the requirement for judicial secrecy, it was commonplace for the Portuguese police to break bread with journalists and for case details to be discussed. I am not defending this, merely stating that it seems to have been the norm, or at least, not unusual.
In the McCann case in the OG phase, there seem to have been leaks, and the origin of those leaks seems to have been in the UK.
For example, UK media correctly predicted that there were to be 3 areas dug around Luz, even if they guessed the wrong 3 areas. Then there was Andy's helicopter trip over Luz, accompanied by a Sky News helicopter.
I am not aware of either 'event' making the Portuguese media. If they did, kindly correct me because it changes the situation.
If not, the fact that the British media detected this directly suggests OG was leaking.
Expecting Amaral to change a culture on 3 May 2007 is like expecting the Met to cease being racist or sexist overnight. It is simply an unreasonable expectation.
If there was a culture of leaking on amarals watch then as coordinator it's reaonable to hold him accountable
So yes
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If there was a culture of leaking on amarals watch then as coordinator it's reaonable to hold him accountable
So yes
In a word, no.
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In a word, no.
There appears to have been, in 2007, a culture where despite the requirement for judicial secrecy, it was commonplace for the Portuguese police to break bread with journalists and for case details to be discussed. I am not defending this, merely stating that it seems to have been the norm, or at least, not unusual.
In the McCann case in the OG phase, there seem to have been leaks, and the origin of those leaks seems to have been in the UK.
For example, UK media correctly predicted that there were to be 3 areas dug around Luz, even if they guessed the wrong 3 areas. Then there was Andy's helicopter trip over Luz, accompanied by a Sky News helicopter.
I am not aware of either 'event' making the Portuguese media. If they did, kindly correct me because it changes the situation.
If not, the fact that the British media detected this directly suggests OG was leaking.
Expecting Amaral to change a culture on 3 May 2007 is like expecting the Met to cease being racist or sexist overnight. It is simply an unreasonable expectation.
If individual Met officers are found to have behaved in a racist or sexist manner then I have an expectation that they will be brought to book - is that unreasoable of me?
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In a word, no.
I would say yes ...we disagree so no surprise there
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If individual Met officers are found to have behaved in a racist or sexist manner then I have an expectation that they will be brought to book - is that unreasoable of me?
thats the whole point....racism is unnacceptable....but leaking like a sieve is part of the culture
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thats the whole point....racism is unnacceptable....but leaking like a sieve is part of the culture
Just like it is over here, and other countries.
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Just like it is over here, and other countries.
and its unnaceptable
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and its unnaceptable
Nothing special about Portugal.
Perhaps you can advise us on how it can be stopped. 8**8:/:
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thats the whole point....racism is unnacceptable....but leaking like a sieve is part of the culture
Like the McCanns leaked... 'like sitting in the back garden' we could see the apartment from where we were sitting' 'it felt safe' we checked every 15/30 minutes, the 'shutters were jemmied' ' the abductor came in and took Maddie and went back out the window' 'there is no evidence she came to any harm' 'she could be with a childless couple' 'there is no way she could have opened that gate' 'Jane saw the abductor'
more leaks than a potato and leak soup! The parents will not be affected with anguish from another book they will be mortified if it contains things they don't know about, becasue from day 1 they tried to run that investigation in a pedant manner to find out what information was avaliable on them? perhaps becasue they could not arrest anyone with the information they collated....mmm new book new theory?
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Like the McCanns leaked... 'like sitting in the back garden' we could see the apartment from where we were sitting' 'it felt safe' we checked every 15/30 minutes, the 'shutters were jemmied' ' the abductor came in and took Maddie and went back out the window' 'there is no evidence she came to any harm' 'she could be with a childless couple' 'there is no way she could have opened that gate' 'Jane saw the abductor'
more leaks than a potato and leak soup! The parents will not be affected with anguish from another book they will be mortified if it contains things they don't know about, becasue from day 1 they tried to run that investigation in a pedant manner to find out what information was avaliable on them? perhaps becasue they could not arrest anyone with the information they collated....mmm new book new theory?
I would suggest you don't hold your breath waiting for the new book... I won't be offended if you don't take my advice
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If individual Met officers are found to have behaved in a racist or sexist manner then I have an expectation that they will be brought to book - is that unreasoable of me?
No.
Did you get the part where I said I did not condone this?
Did you get the part where I pointed out OG appears to have been leaking? Do you think Redwood should be hauled over the coals for this?
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No.
Did you get the part where I said I did not condone this?
Did you get the part where I pointed out OG appears to have been leaking? Do you think Redwood should be hauled over the coals for this?
Maybe the next book will be called the wild goose chase? all around the world looking for Maddie as if an abductor would parade her in full view of everyone 'looking' for her.... too stupid to comprehend
8((()*/ 8(>(( *&*%£ *&*%£
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No.
Did you get the part where I said I did not condone this?
Did you get the part where I pointed out OG appears to have been leaking? Do you think Redwood should be hauled over the coals for this?
what evidence do you have that the Met were the source of the leaks......the portuguese would be aware of the digging sites
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I will be deleting shortly.
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No.
Did you get the part where I said I did not condone this?
Did you get the part where I pointed out OG appears to have been leaking? Do you think Redwood should be hauled over the coals for this?
Of course! Why not? If he has broken the law then hang him at the very least.
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It feels like Easter is here with rolling eggs and fluffy bunnies.