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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Miss Taken Identity on May 02, 2017, 09:21:44 PM
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The latest news leaked by who knows, is suggesting a woman was involved in the 'abduction' of young Madeleine.
One has to wonder what her role was. lookout? perpetrator? childless woman desperate for a child of her own? Did she want to care for young Maddie herself? well anywaym all these things bring me to ask. Do members of this forum think Maddie will know who she is ( I believe she will still know who she is) and if she does, why does she not want to be reunited with her 'family'
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The latest news leaked by who knows, is suggesting a woman was involved in the 'abduction' of young Madeleine.
One has to wonder what her role was. lookout? perpetrator? childless woman desperate for a child of her own? Did she want to care for young Maddie herself? well anywaym all these things bring me to ask. Do members of this forum think Maddie will know who she is ( I believe she will still know who she is) and if she does, why does she not want to be reunited with her 'family'
If Madeleine is still alive it is unlikely she will have any real memory of her past life except for the odd memorable event. She could very well remember being taken out of the apartment by a stranger but doesn't associate that event with a crime.
More recent research has found that very young children do form some memories but that those memories often fade over time. Young children’s earliest memories tend to change over time, being replaced with “newer” earliest memories until around age 10. As this happens, memories occurring in the preschool years tend to be lost.
“As young children get older their first memories tend to get later and later, but around age 10 their memories crystallize,”
http://www.webmd.com/parenting/news/20110511/when-do-kids-form-their-first-memories#1
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The latest news leaked by who knows, is suggesting a woman was involved in the 'abduction' of young Madeleine.
One has to wonder what her role was. lookout? perpetrator? childless woman desperate for a child of her own? Did she want to care for young Maddie herself? well anywaym all these things bring me to ask. Do members of this forum think Maddie will know who she is ( I believe she will still know who she is) and if she does, why does she not want to be reunited with her 'family'
Who is this "who knows"?
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Misty - you have studied the Murat situation the most, so was there an opportunity for a woman dressed in purple to be seen by Jenny Murat?
"A MYSTERIOUS “woman in purple” is the prime suspect British cops are thought to be searching for in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
A British gran told how she remembers seeing the female loitering outside the very apartment from which Maddie was snatched just TWO HOURS before the child’s distraught mum Kate discovered she was missing in 2007."
Did Jenny Murat drive past the apartment at around 8:00 PM?
"Jenny Murat, who lives just 100 yards away from the now infamous apartment 5a of the Ocean Club complex, since renamed the Garden Club, told how she was struck by the “bizarre behaviour” of the stranger staring at the flat.
She told how she had driven to get some shopping when she was on her way home at around 8pm and saw a woman standing by a lamppost.
Mrs Murat added: “It was the middle of the evening and I saw the woman standing on the corner of the street just watching intently....."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3453712/madeleine-mccann-search-latest-therories-woman-purple-portugal-apartment/
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It's an intriguing question, would Madeleine remember who she really is?
I think John has pretty much covered this for me, it's likely she does have some memory of her family and events that happened, memorable ones for example, a birthday or a day out. As time goes on though those memories will disappear to be replaced with the ones more recent.
Question I also think is important to consider is, if Madeleine does have some recall of her proper life and family, how would she reconcile the two completely differing memories if she didn't realise she had been abducted?
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All hypothetical of course, since she disappeared without trace.
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All hypothetical of course, since she disappeared without trace.
its weird but today our australian media hasent even mentioned the mcanns we have other things going on in australia right now though fairfax is sacking 20% if its employees major newspaper companys like the age etc and the staff have gone on strike 125 maybe going to be sacked the sydney morning herald etc
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Where is Jennifer Murat's statement that says this:
"Jenny Murat 79, has told how she saw the woman outside the apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, which Maddie vanished from in 2007."?
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Where is Jennifer Murat's statement that says this:
"Jenny Murat 79, has told how she saw the woman outside the apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, which Maddie vanished from in 2007."?
I am wondering if this is the same person that Jez Wilkins saw early that night too. He seemed to think the person he saw was Jane Tanner. Was he mistaken?
from his rogatory "Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;
Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple.
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Just a thought - look how stupid this investigation is. The lady picking up the last child at the night creche would have been a known person, OK, so where is her statement describing the man she saw or spoke to about Maddie?
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Misty - you have studied the Murat situation the most, so was there an opportunity for a woman dressed in purple to be seen by Jenny Murat?
"A MYSTERIOUS “woman in purple” is the prime suspect British cops are thought to be searching for in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
A British gran told how she remembers seeing the female loitering outside the very apartment from which Maddie was snatched just TWO HOURS before the child’s distraught mum Kate discovered she was missing in 2007."
Did Jenny Murat drive past the apartment at around 8:00 PM?
"Jenny Murat, who lives just 100 yards away from the now infamous apartment 5a of the Ocean Club complex, since renamed the Garden Club, told how she was struck by the “bizarre behaviour” of the stranger staring at the flat.
She told how she had driven to get some shopping when she was on her way home at around 8pm and saw a woman standing by a lamppost.
Mrs Murat added: “It was the middle of the evening and I saw the woman standing on the corner of the street just watching intently....."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3453712/madeleine-mccann-search-latest-therories-woman-purple-portugal-apartment/
If JM had headed up the road from the Baptista towards the junction next to 5a, then it is possible she could have seen JT on the pavement in front of the apartments - l/h drive vehicle, driver checking to the left at junction - but the sighting would have had to have been well after 8pm (the Baptista closed at 8pm). A journalist witness from the following day said JM was rather slow on her feet.
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I don't think you could show that Jayne Tanner was out on the streets at 8:00 - 8:15 even if Jennifer was slow on her feet. If a supermarket closes at 8:00 that means they let people in right up to 8:00, let them shop and they come out over the next 20 minutes or so.
If Jenny was delayed right up to 8:45 would that interfere with Robert Murat's alibi. When does he say his mum was back in the house?
If it was as late as 8:35 -8:45 it could well have been Jayne but would she be hanging around? There was a suggestion Jayne went outside to use her phone (Pegasus I think).
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@Rob
See this thread for previous discussion.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6300.0
See also image which I believe shows JT in a purple top & cropped trousers 3 hours earlier (she describes wearing cropped trousers & flip flops to the Tapas in her rog. statement)
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/R/6_12_VOLUME_XIIa_Processo_Page_3269.jpg
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@Rob
See this thread for previous discussion.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6300.0
See also image which I believe shows JT in a purple top & cropped trousers 3 hours earlier (she describes wearing cropped trousers & flip flops to the Tapas in her rog. statement)
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/R/6_12_VOLUME_XIIa_Processo_Page_3269.jpg
Thanks once again. I owe you a few favours now don't I. Can you really determine colour from the CCTV image?
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Reading that thread, there is going to be a lot of new information there, I hope SY get to see it
Plum coloured jacket not purple jersey so that is a bit different to the CCTV image of Jane Tanner.
And Jenny saying the car was coming from the wrong way, implies it was an one way street at that time.
".... she was of slight build and was wearing a plum coloured jacket." So that rules out Jane doesn't it!
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Thanks once again. I owe you a few favours now don't I. Can you really determine colour from the CCTV image?
You're welcome, Rob & don't owe me anything.
The image I've linked to has colour on my computer - you can see orange on the back of some chairs & blue sea in the background. JT's top looks light purple/lilac to me.
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It's an intriguing question, would Madeleine remember who she really is?
I think John has pretty much covered this for me, it's likely she does have some memory of her family and events that happened, memorable ones for example, a birthday or a day out. As time goes on though those memories will disappear to be replaced with the ones more recent.
Question I also think is important to consider is, if Madeleine does have some recall of her proper life and family, how would she reconcile the two completely differing memories if she didn't realise she had been abducted?
I wrote this as it has been suggested as a possible scenario for an alleged abduction. Having been suggested that Maddie could be living in 'plain sight' by one of the many' crawling out of the woodwork police officers to coincide with 10th anniversary'. I would find it very difficult to believe that no neighbours or other people in LUZ or anywhere else in the world found it strange that a couple who were childless brought a child home with a mark in her eye, who knew her name to be Madeleine and had a family? I would suggest that this is in the realms of fantasy land, also Kate told us that Maddie would give her 'tuppence worth' i.e. she was very well aware of her surroundings, her life and was very astute/ clever. So this is a story to remove the stigma that it was nice people and not nasty paedophiles who allegedly abducted Maddie In my opinion.
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I wrote this as it has been suggested as a possible scenario for an alleged abduction. Having been suggested that Maddie could be living in 'plain sight' by one of the many' crawling out of the woodwork police officers to coincide with 10th anniversary'. I would find it very difficult to believe that no neighbours or other people in LUZ or anywhere else in the world found it strange that a couple who were childless brought a child home with a mark in her eye, who knew her name to be Madeleine and had a family? I would suggest that this is in the realms of fantasy land, also Kate told us that Maddie would give her 'tuppence worth' i.e. she was very well aware of her surroundings, her life and was very astute/ clever. So this is a story to remove the stigma that it was nice people and not nasty paedophiles who allegedly abducted Maddie In my opinion.
Stephen Stayner a child abducted at seven was living in plain sight, the man dyed his hair and changed his name.
The mark in Madeleine's eye the McCann's say can be seen up close. Could be she is being kept in a remote area. There are probably areas that don't follow the Madeleine case as we do.
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Stephen Stayner a child abducted at seven was living in plain sight, the man dyed his hair and changed his name.
The mark in Madeleine's eye the McCann's say can be seen up close. Could be she is being kept in a remote area. There are probably areas that don't follow the Madeleine case as we do.
I would think the vast majority of people on this planet have never heard of Madeleine McCann.
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I wrote this as it has been suggested as a possible scenario for an alleged abduction. Having been suggested that Maddie could be living in 'plain sight' by one of the many' crawling out of the woodwork police officers to coincide with 10th anniversary'. I would find it very difficult to believe that no neighbours or other people in LUZ or anywhere else in the world found it strange that a couple who were childless brought a child home with a mark in her eye, who knew her name to be Madeleine and had a family? I would suggest that this is in the realms of fantasy land, also Kate told us that Maddie would give her 'tuppence worth' i.e. she was very well aware of her surroundings, her life and was very astute/ clever. So this is a story to remove the stigma that it was nice people and not nasty paedophiles who allegedly abducted Maddie In my opinion.
I don't believe such a situation could exist where she might live a normal life in the public eye [sorry about the pun]. She could be held just about anywhere though, out of sight and away from anyone who might just recognise her.
More recently, events in the US and in Germany have shown us that abducted young females can be kept hidden away for years very easily and survive to tell their tale given the right conditions.
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I don't believe such a situation could exist where she might live a normal life in the public eye [sorry about the pun]. She could be held just about anywhere though, out of sight and away from anyone who might just recognise her.
More recently, events in the US and in Germany have shown us that abducted young females can be kept hidden away for years very easily and survive to tell their tale given the right conditions.
Yes I agree wholeheartedly John, however we are led to accept that Maddie came to no harm, and that it was a loving childless couple who allegedly 'abducted' her. My point is: someone would wonder if a childless couple just turned up with a child, and furthermore, if there was an alledged'abductor', why did they not take one of the twins they would have no memory at all.
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How can you swoop on to someone unless you know who they are?
"Madeleine McCann: the woman in purple and plum
by Anorak | 2nd, May 2017
Only one front page features Madeleine McCann today: the Daily Star leads with “Hunt for woman in purple”.
News is that a”mystery woman in purple was spotted where she vanished 10 years ago”. On Page 6, there’s more. Indeed, Police are “SET TO ‘SWOOP'” on the “prime suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance”.
What do we know of this mysterious woman? Only that she was seen “lurking outside” the McCanns’ holiday apartment 90 minutes before we know the child vanished. Two “witnesses saw her staring at the holiday flat”. Scotland year “believe” they know the woman’s identity. She “could have been involved in the youngster’s disappearance”.
Daily Mirror (Page 5: “A ‘woman in purple’ now Maddie cops’ No1 suspect.”
Big news, then. But the paper says the woman is someone British police are “thought to be searching for”. We hear from Jenni Murat, “whose son Robert Murat was the first arguido… but was formerly cleared of suspicion in 2008”. She’s quoted: “I saw the woman standing on the corner of the street… She caught my eye as she was dressed in purple-plum clothes. It struck me as strange. It’s so unusual for anyone, particularly a woman, to be standing alone on the street in our resort, just watching a building.”
You can read more about how innocent Mr Murat was brought to the police’s attention here. Indeed, the Express mentions it online:
At the time he was living with his elderly mother, Jenny, at their villa, Casa Liliana, only a couple of hundred yards from apartment 5a. In one of the greatest blunders of the case, police arrested him after hearing vague suspicions from a British journalist who was nowhere near Luz at the time Madeleine vanished.
That British journalist worked for the Daily Mirror.
The Mirror quotes a “police insider” who says the woman is not currently resident in Portugal. Police are “ready to move in and arrest the mystery woman”. It is a “hugely significant line of inquiry”.
No other newspaper features the news in it print editions.
Is that because it’s not new news?
In 2015, the Daily Express reported:
Jenny Murat, 78, the mother of wrongly accused Robert Murat, has potentially breakthrough evidence but no one has spoken to her. At 8pm on May 3, 2007, she went to a supermarket and then drove past Apartment 5a and saw a woman hanging around. Her notes from the time say: “There was a woman standing on the corner under a lamp post.
“I don’t remember much of her other than she was of slight build and was wearing a plum coloured jacket. She moved around the lamp post as if trying not to be noticed.”
As she turned into the driveway of her home, Casa Liliana, she was nearly hit by a car going the wrong way. “When I stopped to open the gates I could not see the car but the woman was in the road looking in my direction.”
http://www.anorak.co.uk/439414/tabloids/madeleine-mccann-the-woman-in-purple-and-plum.html/
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I don't think they're going to swoop on Jane Tanner do you? She was the woman in purple outside the apartments according to Jez Wilkins.
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I don't think they're going to swoop on Jane Tanner do you? She was the woman in purple outside the apartments according to Jez Wilkins.
But only in your opinion. Beware of stating Opinion as Fact. S'il vous plait.
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Yes I agree wholeheartedly John, however we are led to accept that Maddie came to no harm, and that it was a loving childless couple who allegedly 'abducted' her. My point is: someone would wonder if a childless couple just turned up with a child, and furthermore, if there was an alledged'abductor', why did they not take one of the twins they would have no memory at all.
I think this is the reason I go more for the replacement child. In my theory Madeleine replaces a child they lost and gives her a home where she is cared for etc. to justify the action.
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I think this is the reason I go more for the replacement child. In my theory Madeleine replaces a child they lost and gives her a home where she is cared for etc. to justify the action.
Whatever the reason, there will always be the possibility that Madeleine was abducted for a family. And I'm not going down any other road.
That's just me. But do feel free to prove me wrong.
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But only in your opinion. Beware of stating Opinion as Fact. S'il vous plait.
Not my opinion. Fact from a witness Jez Wilkins who named Jane Tanner standing outside the apartments - same thing Jenny Murat saw. Both saw purple.
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Not my opinion. Fact from a witness Jez Wilkins who named Jane Tanner standing outside the apartments - same thing Jenny Murat saw. Both saw purple.
Don't try me, Pathfinder. I don't actually want to delete your posts. But I will if I must.
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There is nothing wrong with Pathys posts. I do not agree that a loving family stole Maddie. I believe this is a cover clinical clean scenario to hide a real serious crime. IMO
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Not my opinion. Fact from a witness Jez Wilkins who named Jane Tanner standing outside the apartments - same thing Jenny Murat saw. Both saw purple.
One had a plum top and the other a plum jacket. Jane is a big framed person whereas Jenny Murat describes the woman she saw as slim (from memory and Jane would not be called slim.)
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One had a plum top and the other a plum jacket. Jane is a big framed person whereas Jenny Murat describes the woman she saw as slim (from memory and Jane would not be called slim.)
"I’d got a big sort of fleece, it probably came down to about here, but then I’d got flip-flops on and cropped trousers." JT Rog
A fleece too big for her may look similar to a jacket.
Long dark hair also matches Tanner. Slim? In that fleece she would do.
Some images of Jane Tanner
(http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Tappas9/jane_small.jpg)(http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/sitebuilderpictures/tcm12.jpg)(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_a9wriOtQCu8/TMkwpdyBIgI/AAAAAAAAAIg/RTE5OHq0GIU/s1600/Tanner+jeans.jpg)
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"I’d got a big sort of fleece, it probably came down to about here, but then I’d got flip-flops on and cropped trousers." JT Rog
A fleece too big for her may look similar to a jacket.
Long dark hair also matches Tanner. Slim? In that fleece she would do.
Some images of Jane Tanner
(http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Tappas9/jane_small.jpg)(http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/sitebuilderpictures/tcm12.jpg)(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_a9wriOtQCu8/TMkwpdyBIgI/AAAAAAAAAIg/RTE5OHq0GIU/s1600/Tanner+jeans.jpg)
Well do they need to swoop onto Jane Tanner? She has kept up her public profile so I don't think they would have trouble finding her.
What is fleece clothing? "A fleece jacket or fleece is a lightweight casual jacket made of polyester synthetic wool such as Polar Fleece. A fleece jacket will typically have a zipper up the middle, rather than buttons or other fasteners.
(http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Tappas9/jane_small.jpg) NOT FLEECE
(http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/sitebuilderpictures/tcm12.jpg) NOT FLEECE (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_a9wriOtQCu8/TMkwpdyBIgI/AAAAAAAAAIg/RTE5OHq0GIU/s1600/Tanner+jeans.jpg) NOT FLEECE
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Sort of fleece she said. Up to investigators to get actual one.
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Sort of fleece she said. Up to investigators to get actual one.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm
" I remember I was wearing, because it was cold, I’d got Russell’s big, I’d borrowed one of his, erm, fleeces, so I’d got a big sort of fleece, it probably came down to about here, but then I’d got flip-flops on and cropped trousers, because I’d only got, I didn’t take jeans,......."
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Well do they need to swoop onto Jane Tanner? She has kept up her public profile so I don't think they would have trouble finding her.
What is fleece clothing? "A fleece jacket or fleece is a lightweight casual jacket made of polyester synthetic wool such as Polar Fleece. A fleece jacket will typically have a zipper up the middle, rather than buttons or other fasteners.
(http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Tappas9/jane_small.jpg) NOT FLEECE
(http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/sitebuilderpictures/tcm12.jpg) NOT FLEECE (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_a9wriOtQCu8/TMkwpdyBIgI/AAAAAAAAAIg/RTE5OHq0GIU/s1600/Tanner+jeans.jpg) NOT FLEECE
Take a close at Jane's feet.
Not flip-flops, either.
Can we bury that myth?
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Take a close at Jane's feet.
Not flip-flops, either.
Can we bury that myth?
Are you claiming these photos were taken on the night of the 3rd. She might have wore flip flops on the 3rd and another pair of shoes every other day. You have not disproved any myth yet.
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Take a close at Jane's feet.
Not flip-flops, either.
Can we bury that myth?
That she wasn't wearing flip flops at the time of the photo? so what.
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That she wasn't wearing flip flops at the time of the photo? so what.
That she wasn't wearing flip-flops.
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That she wasn't wearing flip-flops.
You forgot the cropped trousers,oh and the flip flops.
4078 “But just do the best you can”.
Reply “Yeah. Erm, I’m just trying to, well I’ve walked out of the, walked out of the, erm, the Tap, you know, walked sort of into the reception of the Tapas Bar and obviously walked up the road. I remember I was wearing, because it was cold, I’d got Russell’s big, I’d borrowed one of his, erm, fleeces, so I’d got a big sort of fleece, it probably came down to about here, but then I’d got flip-flops on and cropped trousers, because I’d only got, I didn’t take jeans, I know I didn’t take jeans on holiday, and then. Oh I’m sidetracking a bit, but that’s why I knew one of the pictures in the paper wasn’t from the holiday, because I hadn’t got jeans on the holiday with me, so. Erm, yeah, and I’d got cropped trousers on and just flip-flops, so I can remember sort of walking, I couldn’t walk that quickly because I’d got these silly flip-flops on and I couldn’t walk that, that well in them, so to speak. Erm, and I walked, I was walking up the road and I can’t remember exactly, I know this, I know, I think Gerry thinks he was somewhere different to where I think they were standing, but I was fairly sure, as I walked up the road, they were standing, one of them was in the road and one of them was just on the edge of the pavement, but I thought it was on the side of the road that I was walking, but I know Gerry thinks they were the other side. But I thought they were closer by, because as I walked by, I almost did go to sort of acknowledge them and I thought at that point ‘Oh they were cha cha cha’ and I did think, you know, I didn’t, I didn’t know whether they’d seen me or not, but I did actually go to acknowledge them and I think if they’d have been that far away I don’t know whether I would have sort of almost gone to say hello, but. But they were talking quite (inaudible), so I just carried on, you know, up, up the road. I mean, I thought they were, as you’re going up here, I thought they were more, erm, again I know this is where me and Gerry differ, but I thought they were sort of more near the little alleyway. I think sort of”
.Ref here.http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm
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You forgot the cropped trousers,oh and the flip flops.
.Ref here.http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm
What I remember (and more should do the same!) is that the rogatory interviews were brought to us by serial fraudster, serial liar and serial deceiver Duarte Levy.
Obviously we can only guess to what extent he has tampered with, messed around or altered the statements (that we read on line)
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What I remember (and more should do the same!) is that the rogatory interviews were brought to us by serial fraudster, serial liar and serial deceiver Duarte Levy.
Obviously we can only guess to what extent he has tampered with, messed around or altered.
Sod all, IMO.
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Take a close at Jane's feet.
Not flip-flops, either.
Can we bury that myth?
You are the myth maker. Have you got any photos of them on the night of 3 May 2007?
Jane said she was wearing flip-flops but obviously those images are not from that night.
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You are the myth maker. Have you got any photos of them on the night of 3 May 2007?
Jane said she was wearing flip-flops but obviously those images are not from that night.
The rogatory interviews (the version of them that we read on line!) was brought to us by serial fraudster, serial liar and serial deceiver Duarte Levy, denounced as such by her former lover and fellow McCann-sceptic, Joanna Morais.
I don't take notice of much Ms Morais has to say.
But on that particular point, I am very happy to take her word
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vile-fantasist-ties-to-sell-dynamite-1656692
https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/exposing-swindler-truth-about.html
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You forgot the cropped trousers,oh and the flip flops.
.Ref here.http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm
The rogatory interviews (or at least the version of them we read on line), see above.
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You forgot the cropped trousers,oh and the flip flops.
.Ref here.http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm
I remember I was wearing, because it was cold
Filp-flops are obviously most ideally suited to Arctic conditions ....
That just doesn't sound, to me, like the type of information anyone giving a police interview would sponteneously volunteer .....
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Oh good she remembered because it was cold... but Gerry said it was warm that is they Maddie was sleeping on top of the covers on her bed... hmmm Kate also said it was cold.. We just can't seem to get this crowd to agree on anything when left to their own devices lol
To what extent did fraudster Levy meddle with the (version of!) the rogatory statements we read on line?
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To what extent did fraudster Levy meddle with the (version of!) the rogatory statements we read on line?
I have no idea, I never read them. 8((()*/
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To what extent did fraudster Levy meddle with the (version of!) the rogatory statements we read on line?
Largely , I suspect. But we were all too naive to realise at the time.
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Well do they need to swoop onto Jane Tanner? She has kept up her public profile so I don't think they would have trouble finding her.
What is fleece clothing? "A fleece jacket or fleece is a lightweight casual jacket made of polyester synthetic wool such as Polar Fleece. A fleece jacket will typically have a zipper up the middle, rather than buttons or other fasteners.
(http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Tappas9/jane_small.jpg) NOT FLEECE
(http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/sitebuilderpictures/tcm12.jpg) NOT FLEECE (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_a9wriOtQCu8/TMkwpdyBIgI/AAAAAAAAAIg/RTE5OHq0GIU/s1600/Tanner+jeans.jpg) NOT FLEECE
Hang on a bit.
These Photos were not taken of Jane in Luz. The windows are wrong; the stable door is wrong .... and MOST WRONG of all is the long Jeans. She didn't take any jeans. See post above.
Some Bas..rd has been stalking Jane Tanner in the UK it seems to me. Give the poor woman a rest FGS
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https://youtu.be/tUHp85TyJ0Y?t=1053
This witness (Jeremiah), who is here talking to the child's father (Gerry) says that after he was about to go home, he sees a woman in a purple colour smoking outside the door of Jane Tanner's apartment......
That's somewhat different to the statement from JW in the files but does offer a reasonable explanation of JT perhaps smoking a cigarette outside prior to going to the Tapas Bar & being the same woman seen by Mrs Murat.
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https://youtu.be/tUHp85TyJ0Y?t=1053
This witness (Jeremiah), who is here talking to the child's father (Gerry) says that after he was about to go home, he sees a woman in a purple colour smoking outside the door of Jane Tanner's apartment......
That's somewhat different to the statement from JW in the files but does offer a reasonable explanation of JT perhaps smoking a cigarette outside prior to going to the Tapas Bar & being the same woman seen by Mrs Murat.
That is physically impossible what Amaral is describing. From where Gerry and Jez are talking there is no way Jez can see JT outside her apartment.
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That is physically impossible what Amaral is describing. From where Gerry and Jez are talking there is no way Jez can see JT outside her apartment.
Absolutely correct, Rob
The entrance to the Tapas apartments is via the recessed entrance hall part way along the walled pathway at the front that all the Tapas group had to walk to reach their apartments.
I feel confident in saying that had Jane been standing outside their apartment door, nobody passing by along the road (Jenny Murat) would have seen her .... and Jenny Murat did not travel that road (I think). Baptistas supermarket is on the adjoining road. Unless Jez used the same entrance hall for his flat, he would not have seen Jane either
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Amaral is claiming the JW sighting of JT in the doorway occurred at shortly after 9.15 as he was returning to his apartment in Block 4 - not at around 8.15 as Jez reported in his statement.
Mrs Murat saw her "lady in purple" on the street corner, at around 8pm.
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Amaral is claiming the JW sighting of JT in the doorway occurred at shortly after 9.15 as he was returning to his apartment in Block 4 - not at around 8.15 as Jez reported in his statement.
Mrs Murat saw her "lady in purple" on the street corner, at around 8pm.
I'm sure there is a lot of information we haven't been given.
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I'm sure there is a lot of information we haven't been given.
I think there is just a lot of information that Amaral continues to get wrong.
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I think there is just a lot of information that Amaral continues to get wrong.
It would have been impossible to keep up with the incoming information. It was an overwhelming case in the end.