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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Robittybob1 on September 23, 2017, 06:57:58 AM

Title: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 23, 2017, 06:57:58 AM: (http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_22.jpg)
In photo 18.
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 23, 2017, 08:02:31 AM: there looks like 4 to me but some say 3.
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: barrier on September 23, 2017, 08:39:01 AM: Quote from: Robittybob1 on September 23, 2017, 08:02:31 AM
there looks like 4 to me but some say 3.

Four,hold ctrl and press the + button,you can enlarge the image.
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: slartibartfast on September 23, 2017, 09:27:43 AM: Quote from: barrier on September 23, 2017, 08:39:01 AM
Four,hold ctrl and press the + button,you can enlarge the image.

Two fingers work. The photo isn’t that clear, minimum 4, hard to distinguish between the bottom one and the one above.
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: jassi on September 23, 2017, 09:31:25 AM: Should there not be 5?
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 23, 2017, 09:39:59 AM: Quote from: jassi on September 23, 2017, 09:31:25 AM
Should there not be 5?
Good point!
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: Brietta on September 23, 2017, 09:51:47 AM: Didn't the Policia Judiciaria make use of Madeleine's passport photograph for identification purposes?

To do that would require her passport.

(http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_30_small.jpg)
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELINE.htm

So absolutely no mystery there.
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 23, 2017, 10:02:33 AM: Quote from: Brietta on September 23, 2017, 09:51:47 AM
Didn't the Policia Judiciaria make use of Madeleine's passport photograph for identification purposes?

To do that would require her passport.

(http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_30_small.jpg)
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELINE.htm

So absolutely no mystery there.
That was her poster photo not her passport photo. Her passport photo was about a 1 year old Madeleine.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/z/passport_small.JPG
(http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/z/passport_small.JPG)
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: barrier on September 23, 2017, 10:17:09 AM: Quote from: Brietta on September 23, 2017, 09:51:47 AM
Didn't the Policia Judiciaria make use of Madeleine's passport photograph for identification purposes?

To do that would require her passport.

(http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_30_small.jpg)
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELINE.htm

So absolutely no mystery there.

When photographing an alleged crime scene why would articles be removed prior to this? that make's it a mystery.
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: Eleanor on September 23, 2017, 10:44:39 AM: Topic, Please.
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: Brietta on September 23, 2017, 10:48:26 AM: Goncalo Amaral asked the Ministerio Publico for permission to publicise Madeleine's details internationally on May 4th.
Including the blemish in her eye.

Apparently standard practice in Portugal for missing persons ... so where did the myth come from that Madeleine's parents were wrong to publicise her disappearance?

(http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_32.jpg)

There was subsequent instruction given for the RELEASE OF A YELLOW ALERT 02_VOLUME_IIa_ Page_490

So it seems apparent that even back in 2007 the importance of publicity in missing persons cases was fully understood in Portugal.

In my opinion the obvious source for information would be her passport.
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: slartibartfast on September 23, 2017, 11:21:26 AM: Quote from: Eleanor on September 23, 2017, 10:44:39 AM
Topic, Please.

There is only one off topic post on this thread and it is the one after yours?
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: Eleanor on September 23, 2017, 11:39:19 AM: Quote from: Slartibartfast on September 23, 2017, 11:21:26 AM
There is only one off topic post on this thread and it is the one after yours?

Just Asking.
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: Brietta on September 23, 2017, 01:56:10 PM: Quote from: Slartibartfast on September 23, 2017, 11:21:26 AM
There is only one off topic post on this thread and it is the one after yours?

In what way is that post off topic ... in your considered opinion?
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: Eleanor on September 23, 2017, 01:59:20 PM: Quote from: Brietta on September 23, 2017, 01:56:10 PM
In what way is that post off topic ... in your considered opinion?

I don't think Slarti does considered opinions.
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: Angelo222 on September 23, 2017, 02:38:24 PM: Deffo four but possibly five. I'm more interested in the apartment keys though.
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: G-Unit on September 23, 2017, 03:13:29 PM: I can see 4 passports with some paper in there too between the bottom two. All the passports were shown to the GNR commandant at some point. Perhaps he kept Madeleine's for some reason? Beneath the stack is some paper with printing on it. On top of it is some torn up paper (?) and the bunch of keys on top. Did they include keys brought with them from home? Can I see a car key? Whatever time the passports were shown to the GNR the keys were placed on top either at the time or later, so they were handled after the GNR arrived.
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: Brietta on September 23, 2017, 03:55:29 PM: Quote from: Angelo222 on September 23, 2017, 02:38:24 PM
Deffo four but possibly five. I'm more interested in the apartment keys though.

The picture caption translates as: "Personal belongings and valuables in perfect alignment"

But where is the "perfect alignment" referred to in the caption? Maybe they were before they were handled ... but I don't see it in that photograph ... does anyone else?
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: G-Unit on September 23, 2017, 04:18:35 PM: It could mean in perfect order; all present and correct type of thing.
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: slartibartfast on September 23, 2017, 04:37:51 PM: Quote from: Brietta on September 23, 2017, 01:56:10 PM
In what way is that post off topic ... in your considered opinion?

As Robbity showed, it wasn’t her passport photo so the rest of your post was off topic.
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: John on September 23, 2017, 04:54:25 PM: Quote from: Brietta on September 23, 2017, 03:55:29 PM
The picture caption translates as: "Personal belongings and valuables in perfect alignment"

But where is the "perfect alignment" referred to in the caption? Maybe they were before they were handled ... but I don't see it in that photograph ... does anyone else?

I think it was a tongue in cheek reference to the passport stack.
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: Brietta on September 23, 2017, 05:21:30 PM: Quote from: John on September 23, 2017, 04:54:25 PM
I think it was a tongue in cheek reference to the passport stack.

I've not translated any of the other captions, John, but surely they wouldn't put flippant captions on crime scene photographs?
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: Brietta on September 23, 2017, 05:35:45 PM: Quote from: Slartibartfast on September 23, 2017, 04:37:51 PM
As Robbity showed, it wasn’t her passport photo so the rest of your post was off topic.

Please read my post again carefully.

It makes absolutely no reference to any photograph whatsoever ... it was in reference to the press release authorised by the Portuguese authorities in a publicity drive initiated by Goncalo Amaral ... and the fact that such publicity including YELLOW ALERT were in use in Portugal in missing person cases ... contrary to forum myth.

The information used was taken from Madeleine's passport as indicated here ... http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELINE.htm
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: G-Unit on September 23, 2017, 05:45:39 PM: Quote from: Brietta on September 23, 2017, 05:35:45 PM
Please read my post again carefully.

It makes absolutely no reference to any photograph whatsoever ... it was in reference to the press release authorised by the Portuguese authorities in a publicity drive initiated by Goncalo Amaral ... and the fact that such publicity including YELLOW ALERT were in use in Portugal in missing person cases ... contrary to forum myth.

The information used was taken from Madeleine's passport as indicated here ... http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELINE.htm

I think they are referring to reply #06 which gave the impression the PJ used her passport photo (to me anyway)

"Didn't the Policia Judiciaria make use of Madeleine's passport photograph for identification purposes?

To do that would require her passport."
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: John on September 23, 2017, 06:02:45 PM: Quote from: G-Unit on September 23, 2017, 05:45:39 PM
I think they are referring to reply #06 which gave the impression the PJ used her passport photo (to me anyway)

"Didn't the Policia Judiciaria make use of Madeleine's passport photograph for identification purposes?

To do that would require her passport."

Maybe that explains why they've never found her?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELINE.htm

(http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_08.jpg)
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: slartibartfast on September 23, 2017, 06:03:00 PM: Quote from: Brietta on September 23, 2017, 05:35:45 PM
Please read my post again carefully.

It makes absolutely no reference to any photograph whatsoever ... it was in reference to the press release authorised by the Portuguese authorities in a publicity drive initiated by Goncalo Amaral ... and the fact that such publicity including YELLOW ALERT were in use in Portugal in missing person cases ... contrary to forum myth.

The information used was taken from Madeleine's passport as indicated here ... http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELINE.htm

Which has what to do with the thread?
Title: Re: How many passports in this stack?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 25, 2017, 07:27:22 PM: Quote from: Angelo222 on September 23, 2017, 02:38:24 PM
Deffo four but possibly five. I'm more interested in the apartment keys though.

The passport 'missing' and keys situsation were another anomaly I found interesting.