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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: pathfinder73 on July 06, 2016, 09:53:18 AM

Title: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 06, 2016, 09:53:18 AM
The Disappearance of Mary Boyle

The long-awaited documentary made by journalist Gemma O Doherty which focuses on the disappearance of Mary Boyle in March, 1977.

At just six years old Mary vanished from her grandparent’s farm in Ballyshannon. She is Ireland’s youngest missing person. The case has remained unsolved and no closure has been given to Mary’s family despite the disappearance occurring almost 40 years ago.

Gemma O Doherty has been working closely with Mary’s twin sister, Ann Doherty to make this eye-opening documentary.

O Doherty claims that gardai were on the verge of identifying Mary’s killer, but a local politician began interfering with the investigation, leading to the suspect not being questioned thoroughly.


https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2016/apr/29/why-has-irelands-mainstream-media-turned-its-back-on-mary-boyle

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Gemma O'Doherty ‏@gemmaod1  May 20
Mary Boyle's uncle Gerry Gallagher, last person known to be with her, has refused filming on farm where she vanished

Gemma O'Doherty ‏@gemmaod1  May 30
Gerry Gallagher's wife blew a sharp whistle down the phone when a #MaryBoyle cousin rang to ask questions almost perforating her eardrum


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Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: mercury on July 06, 2016, 10:55:12 PM
Thanks for that PF, Ive never heard of the case
Very interesting documentary which I watched earlier today.
Very sad on many levels and not that surprising given the place and time it all happened.

Conflicting statements from the uncle
Conflicting statements between uncle and mother
Political interference to stop questioning or arrest of suspect
Stonewalling of campaigners from most quarters, police and politicians
Many theories of what could have happened including some ridiculous ones
Arresting and release of patsy
Trying to link known sex offender to the murder when the chances of him being there were millions to one
The mother refusing to appear on documentary and criticising her other daughter for campaigning to find the truth

Alot of people are saying it was the uncle and it was more a family cover up of sexual abuse
Shocking case but which I believe the truth will be unveiled eventually, her twin sister has not campaigned for decades to get no result






Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 06, 2016, 11:14:18 PM
Yes Mary would tell and was silenced. Makes sense. Hope they have been checking under the stone walls he was seen building. Safe place to hide a body.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 07, 2016, 07:24:02 PM
Yes Mary would tell and was silenced. Makes sense. Hope they have been checking under the stone walls he was seen building. Safe place to hide a body.

indeed!!   here is the link to watch on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vGORoCbpXw

Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pegasus on July 07, 2016, 09:04:08 PM
"Mary Boyle: The Untold Story" the whole documentary is very interesting and well done.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: mercury on July 07, 2016, 11:13:30 PM
Yes Mary would tell and was silenced. Makes sense. Hope they have been checking under the stone walls he was seen building. Safe place to hide a body.

Would he be so cold sick and bold?
There were extensive searches, but obviously only around where she was last seen.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 09, 2016, 06:47:52 PM
Would he be so cold sick and bold?
There were extensive searches, but obviously only around where she was last seen.
There were extensive searches, but then it took over two hours for the 'family' to call the police...The mothers behaviour is very strange indeed.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: mercury on July 10, 2016, 01:52:16 AM
There were extensive searches, but then it took over two hours for the 'family' to call the police...The mothers behaviour is very strange indeed.

It is indeed but if she is protectng her brother its not strange at all

As for not calling the police, thats not to strange in this case as she could very well have got lost or had an accident, in a very remote part of the country no one suspects abductors

Someone within that small family/community killed that poor child defacto and I hope theyre caught
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 10, 2016, 01:34:14 PM
It is indeed but if she is protectng her brother its not strange at all

As for not calling the police, thats not to strange in this case as she could very well have got lost or had an accident, in a very remote part of the country no one suspects abductors

Someone within that small family/community killed that poor child defacto and I hope theyre caught

Calling the police would have enablled more people to search no? Maybe it's just me, but If my child dissapeared first thing I would do is phone the police and grab as many people to search whilst waiting on them arranging professional input and getting more bodies to help. In this case, at that time, their was a heavy police presence due to the border sectarian troubles at that time, as one police oficer closed to the case documented more than once.

We shall agree to disagree my friend. 8(0(*
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pegasus on July 10, 2016, 04:55:42 PM
The alleged intervention in the Ballyshannon case by a politician is remarkable.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: mercury on July 11, 2016, 12:20:43 AM
Calling the police would have enablled more people to search no? Maybe it's just me, but If my child dissapeared first thing I would do is phone the police and grab as many people to search whilst waiting on them arranging professional input and getting more bodies to help. In this case, at that time, their was a heavy police presence due to the border sectarian troubles at that time, as one police oficer closed to the case documented more than once.

We shall agree to disagree my friend. 8(0(*

Thats OK, I just meant youd first go around yourself and if frends and family were around shouting to which a child might respond to if they just wandered and got lost or hurt. Two hours does seem a long time but it was in the middle of nowhere where a live child could so easily get lost. Why would they think she was abducted or murdered as first reaction?

Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: mercury on July 11, 2016, 12:24:03 AM
The alleged intervention in the Ballyshannon case by a politician is remarkable.

it is also "remarkable " that noone wanted to touch the case and continues to this day at senior levels

May the fleas of a thusand camels infest  them

 8)--))
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 11, 2016, 04:19:32 PM
it is also "remarkable " that noone wanted to touch the case and continues to this day at senior levels

May the fleas of a thusand camels infest  them

 8)--))

 *&*%£ *&*%£ *&*%£

Yes, I found that to be quite remarkable as well.  Mother wants the child found but doesn't want an enquiry? doesn't speak with Mary's twin who suggested that Mary would tell if something not nice was happening to her.  The change of stories, the political pressure  8)-)))to have the case shelved...oh  wait... something has just occured to me.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: mercury on July 13, 2016, 02:02:21 AM
The ONLY reason I can think the mother wouldnt want an nvestigation is either she or her brother were involved

Now whose protectng them two and why
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 08, 2018, 08:21:39 PM
Controversial documentary ‘Mary Boyle The Untold Story’ picked up an ‘Award of Merit’ at a film festival ceremony in Los Angeles yesterday.
The 82-minute documentary, which was made by journalist Gemma O’Doherty, was published on Youtube. It clocked up thousands of views since its release and kick started a renewed campaign to see justice done for the six-year-old girl who disappeared in rural Donegal in 1977.
https://www.donegalnow.com/news/mary-boyle-documentary-wins-major-film-award/124627
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 08, 2018, 08:37:45 PM
Mary Boyle disappeared on March 18, 1977 as she was visiting her grandparents’ remote farmyard in Cashelard outside Ballyshannon.

The 82-minute documentary, which was made by journalist Gemma O’Doherty, was published on Youtube. It clocked up thousands of views since its release and kick started a renewed campaign to see justice done for the six-year-old girl who disappeared in rural Donegal in 1977.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vGORoCbpXw&t
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 08, 2018, 08:55:36 PM
Mary Boyle disappeared on March 18, 1977 as she was visiting her grandparents’ remote farmyard in Cashelard outside Ballyshannon.

The 82-minute documentary, which was made by journalist Gemma O’Doherty, was published on Youtube. It clocked up thousands of views since its release and kick started a renewed campaign to see justice done for the six-year-old girl who disappeared in rural Donegal in 1977.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vGORoCbpXw&t

I suppose in the final analysis the efficacy of the result will be judged on whether the girls parents were McCann supporters or sceptics.

sort of as in the punchline of a Weegie joke "stop p*****g us aboot Jimmy are yous a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew ?".
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 08, 2018, 08:58:45 PM
Mary Boyle disappeared on March 18, 1977 as she was visiting her grandparents’ remote farmyard in Cashelard outside Ballyshannon.

The 82-minute documentary, which was made by journalist Gemma O’Doherty, was published on Youtube. It clocked up thousands of views since its release and kick started a renewed campaign to see justice done for the six-year-old girl who disappeared in rural Donegal in 1977.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vGORoCbpXw&t

so how accurate is her documentary on Mary Boyle....looks like you have decided with no evidence its accurate
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 08, 2018, 09:06:23 PM
so how accurate is her documentary on Mary Boyle....looks like you have decided with no evidence its accurate

I watched it the first day it was released on youtube. I agree with it. The last person with her knows the truth and Mary Boyle disappeared because of him. I posted on here about it at the time of release.

Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 08, 2018, 09:16:25 PM
I watched it the first day it was released on youtube. I agree with it. The last person with her knows the truth and Mary Boyle disappeared because of him. I posted on here about it at the time of release.


based on what evidence do you agree with it...sounds like you have just blindly accepted everything she has said
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 08, 2018, 09:34:25 PM
I never blindly accept anything and do my own research.  The last witness had unaccounted time and the child disappeared. Nobody else saw the child on that path. Others have been arrested for it but later released. He has never been arrested.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?141835-Ireland-Mary-Boyle-6-Cashelard-County-Donegal-18-March-1977

Mary Boyle: Man freed over girl's disappearance in 1977
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29733831

Man arrested over disappearance of six-year-old Mary Boyle in 1977
He is a convicted sex offender who is currently serving a sentence at Midlands Prison in Portlaoise.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1021/653831-mary-boyle/
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on January 09, 2018, 12:43:11 AM
This is a new thread..

This documentary is well worth viewing for anyone interested in child disappearances.

Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 09, 2018, 09:45:27 AM
No new evidence found in Donegal search for Mary Boyle - gardaí
Updated / Friday, 15 Jul 2016
A search of land in Co Donegal has found no new evidence in relation to the disappearance of six-year-old Mary Boyle, according to gardaí.

Officers from the garda investigation team in the Northern Region this morning began a dig in an area near where Mary disappeared in Cashelard near Ballyshannon on 18 March 1977.

Gardaí say the search had been planned for some time and was carried out at the request of the Boyle family. 

A small area of land was pumped out and drained but nothing was found. A forensic anthropologist was also on site.
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The area was previously searched but nothing of evidential value was found at the time.

Earlier this week, gardaí confirmed that a second review of the case is to be carried out by the Serious Crime Review Team.

Mary disappeared while visiting her grandparents in Ballyshannon.

This week it was confirmed that the Serious Crime Review Team, known as the Cold Case Unit, was to review all aspects of the investigation.

However, there has already been a separate review investigation ongoing since 2011 - the Northern Regional Review Team - headed up by an assistant commissioner.

Today's search was part of the local investigation, the national unit is understood not to have been involved.

Gardaí say they are not working on any specific information.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0715/802652-mary-boyle/
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 09, 2018, 09:51:56 AM
Sister of missing Mary Boyle to make GSOC complaint
Updated / Wednesday, 13 Jul 2016
A woman whose twin sister disappeared near Ballyshannon, Co Donegal almost 40 years ago is to complain to the Garda Ombudsman about recent media reports in relation to the case.

It was reported yesterday that the Garda Serious Crime Review team was to review the disappearance of six-year-old Mary Boyle, who was last seen in March 1977.

In a statement from her solicitor, Ann Doherty said she was requesting an urgent investigation into the manner in which the development was reported by the Irish Daily Star.

She said it was “deeply troubling' that such a decision had been taken without consultation with Mary's family.

Ms Doherty said she was seeking urgent clarification about the development from gardaí.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0713/802218-doherty/



Garda cold case unit to review Mary Boyle disappearance
Updated / Tuesday, 12 Jul 2016
A specialist garda unit is to take a fresh look into the disappearance of six-year-old Mary Boyle, who was last seen almost 40 years ago in Co Donegal.

The Serious Crime Review team will scrutinise the case from when Mary was first reported missing in March 1977.

If anything new is uncovered or warrants further investigation it will be followed up.

Mary Boyle was last seen by her uncle close to her grandparents' house in Cashelard near Ballyshannon.

Mary's twin sister Ann Doherty has been campaigning in recent years for the case to be reopened and has met politicians in Leinster House, the European Parliament, the US and Brussels.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0712/801934-mary-boyle/
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 09, 2018, 09:59:35 AM
Gardai investigating potential new breakthrough in Mary Boyle disappearance
By News Highland - November 29, 2017
It’s after Gardai spoke to two Donegal men who claimed they found a purple cardigan, similar to the one the six-year-old was wearing when she disappeared near Cashelard on March 18, 1977.

The men, who were in their teens at the time, claimed they found the cardigan close to Lough Colmcille, about half a mile from where Mary was last seen, during searches for the missing child.

The men also say that they thought that the cardigan was seized by Gardai at that time.

Journalist with the Irish Star Paul Healy spoke on the Nine til Noon show and says investigating Gardai are taking the matter very seriously.

Here’s the interview in full:
http://www.highlandradio.com/2017/11/29/gardai-investigating-potential-new-breakthrough-in-mary-boyle-disappearance/
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 09, 2018, 10:16:03 AM
Amid the news on the current campaign on behalf of Mary Boyle are reports that Mary's mother has become the target of internet criticism.



MICHAEL CLIFFORD: 'Everybody wants justice for Mary Boyle, but that is nowhere near as simple as is portrayed in a fevered social media campaign'
Saturday, July 23, 2016
EVERYBODY knows who murdered Mary Boyle. Everybody knows there was a cover-up of the killing of the six-year-old in March 1977. Everybody knows that the mainstream media is complicit in this cover-up. Everybody knows.

For anybody who has dipped into social media over the last six months, the above statements are received wisdom. The case of Mary Boyle has been highlighted in a campaign led by Mary’s twin, Ann Doherty, and the journalist Gemma O’Doherty. (To avoid confusion, the two women will be referred to here by their first names.)

Gemma had written and presented a documentary, Mary Boyle — The Untold Story, which has received tens of thousands of viewings on YouTube.

For months, she has pursued the case on social media, where her campaign has generated a major following.

The two women have received full support from Ann’s cousin, the singer Margo O’Donnell, Daniel’s sister.

A fortnight ago, apparently as a result of the pressure generated by the campaign, the Garda commissioner announced there would be a cold case review of Mary’s disappearance.

The scenario as outlined in the documentary goes something like this: Mary was sexually assaulted and murdered not too far from her grandparents’ home in south Donegal.

Following Mary’s disappearance, the investigation was compromised by intervention from a Fianna Fáil politician who phoned Ballyshannon Garda Station. This politician is alleged to have said that the man who has come to be known as the chief suspect should not be arrested.

As a result, the case was never solved, despite some “evidence” that others were aware of the chief suspect’s involvement in the crime. Since then, the main political parties have avoided examining the issue. An Garda Síochána has also avoided unearthing a scandal from the time, and the mainstream media has turned away.

It’s a compelling narrative, but what of the evidence? This has mainly come from two retired gardaí who were involved in the case. In the documentary, both express their belief that they know who killed Mary.

There is an inference that the garda who oversaw the investigation, Superintendent Dom Murray, received — or at least acted on — the call from the politician. Murray died in 2014. This allegation only surfaced after his death.

The documentary relates that in 1985, a series of complaints was made internally about Murray’s general conduct, including that he had attended a Fianna Fáil meeting, which was against Garda regulations. No documentary evidence of this complaint is produced, and neither is there any suggestion that it contained any allegation about interference in the Mary Boyle case.

Give or take a few inconsistencies elsewhere in the story, which are noteworthy but not crucial, that’s about it.

The compelling narrative centres on the alleged interference by the politician.

In recent weeks, TD Pat ‘the Cope’ Gallagher, and councillor Sean McEniff have both issued statements saying they are not the politician in question.

From what has emerged over recent decades about both politics and law enforcement, it is entirely plausible that a politician would have intervened in a Garda investigation in the 1970s.

It might well be argued that this could even have occurred in a case as high profile and emotional as that of a six- year-old’s disappearance.

However, the only evidence is hearsay. Neither of the two officers claims to have received the alleged call. As evidence in a criminal trial, hearsay wouldn’t carry much more weight than rumour.

So why wasn’t the suspect arrested? Perhaps there was precious little evidence gathered that could be put to him. Certainly the evidence produced in the documentary wouldn’t have met such a threshold in 1977.

Prior to the enactment of the Criminal Justice Act 1984, there were strict rules around powers of arrest and detention.

In any event, one of the two gardaí in the documentary, retired detective Aidan Murray, says he interviewed the chief suspect, albeit as a witness.

“I told him, just tell us where the child is,” Murray told Gemma. The suspect began shouting that he was being wrongly blamed and an inspector nudged Murray under the table to go easy.

Murray left and returned with a drink of water, but, he says, the heat had gone out of the moment.

“I felt in my own heart he had a guilty look, I could see it in his eyes. I felt I had him and I thought if there had been that extra bit of pressure, we wouldn’t be here today,” he told Gemma.

So we have hearsay about an outrageous intervention, and a firm hunch on behalf of two gardaí. Sound familiar? Most miscarriages of justice cases down through the decades began with a “belief” as to a suspect’s guilt, without solid evidence to support the belief. In the absence of evidence, the cops go with their hunch and build a convenient case in a reverse of standard police procedure. Both retired gardaí are obviously genuine in their beliefs, but that is no substitute for evidence.

Ann’s pursuit of the matter is entirely understandable from an emotional standpoint, although notably her mother has distanced herself from the campaign. In fact, a distasteful aspect to the whole affair is an inference that Mary Boyle’s mother is not as eager to get justice for Mary, as is her twin sister.

Gemma obviously believes in her pursuit of “Justice for Mary”. Her persistence is admirable, her film well assembled, but it is heavy with innuendo and hearsay rather than hard evidence.

Just last week, she tweeted: “Gardaí refuse to arrest the chief suspect in the murder of Mary Boyle. He attended Mass this morning.” This implies that gardaí can simply make an arrest on the basis of a conspiracy theory.

What really elevated the campaign was the traction it received on social media. Curiously, members and supporters of Sinn Féin have been in the vanguard of the social media blitz.

The party professes to espouse a high threshold for civil liberties, including opposition to the Special Criminal Court. Yet its members are pushing hard for the arrest of somebody based on hearsay and police “hunch” rather than evidence.

Perhaps they are just relieved that allegations around historic murder and child sexual abuse are being directed at a political party other than theirs.

Everybody knows who murdered Mary Boyle. Everybody knows who sanctioned the murder of Jean McConville. Evidence is a different matter.

Justice for Mary would involve a successful prosecution for her disappearance and assumed murder and nothing that has emerged indicates that there would be any real prospect of such an outcome.

Perhaps the cold case review will strike lucky.

Perhaps a premise for an arrest will be found and perhaps the chief suspect may turn out to be culpable and confess. If so, a debate can be initiated about means justifying the end.

Everybody wants justice for Mary Boyle, but that is nowhere near as simple as is portrayed in a fevered social media campaign.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/columnists/michael-clifford/everybody-wants-justice-for-mary-boyle-but-that-is-nowhere-near-as-simple-as-is-portrayed-in-a-fevered-social-media-campaign-411902.html
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on January 09, 2018, 10:45:06 AM
I see this is all a year and a half ago. Anyone got any more current news on the case.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 09, 2018, 03:02:17 PM
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 09, 2018, 10:07:39 PM
Serial child killer Robert Black regularly travelled through Donegal in his job as a lorry driver.  The circumstances surrounding Mary Boyle's disappearance in my opinion match the modus operandi for some of the many killings Black carried out.

Why on earth is there this mad rush to obliterate centuries of due process in preference to deciding not the guilt or innocence of individuals ... but ALWAYS the guilt ... all based on conspiracy theories and distorted interpretation of the evidence?

One must be careful that "justice for Mary" doesn't mean "injustice" for the man reported on the internet as having attended Mass this week. 
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 09, 2018, 10:14:26 PM
I dont know anything about the Mary Boyle case but having looked at her initial thoughts on the mccann case Im very unimpressed. Her observations so far...Gerrys body language...laughing on the balcony...Kates failure to answer 48 questions...and for some reason their trip to Donegal. Hardly investigative journalism..........im expecting dogs dont lie tomorrow
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 09, 2018, 10:33:15 PM
I dont know anything about the Mary Boyle case but having looked at her initial thoughts on the mccann case Im very unimpressed. Her observations so far...Gerrys body language...laughing on the balcony...Kates failure to answer 48 questions...and for some reason their trip to Donegal. Hardly investigative journalism..........im expecting dogs dont lie tomorrow

From what I have read of Gemma O'Docherty's interpretation of Mary Boyle's disappearance I fear we will be treated to yet another same old same old interpretation of Madeleine's case.

The woman is an investigative journalist for goodness sake ... how did she manage to miss out on what has been going on since 2010?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on January 09, 2018, 10:37:40 PM
Serial child killer Robert Black regularly travelled through Donegal in his job as a lorry driver.  The circumstances surrounding Mary Boyle's disappearance in my opinion match the modus operandi for some of the many killings Black carried out.

Why on earth is there this mad rush to obliterate centuries of due process in preference to deciding not the guilt or innocence of individuals ... but ALWAYS the guilt ... all based on conspiracy theories and distorted interpretation of the evidence?

One must be careful that "justice for Mary" doesn't mean "injustice" for the man reported on the internet as having attended Mass this week.

Was Black ever questioned about Mary Boyle ?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 09, 2018, 11:09:22 PM
Was Black ever questioned about Mary Boyle ?

He was convicted of Jennifer Cardy's murder thirty years after the event ... he was suspected of other killings and apparently died just as he was about to be charged with that of Genette Tate.

In my opinion, one of the differences between police investigations into crime and incursions by investigative journalists is the former can only progress dependent on evidence which will stand in court, whereas the latter consider themselves prosecution, judge and jury based on what passes for evidence to meet their satisfaction.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on January 10, 2018, 10:53:47 AM
He was convicted of Jennifer Cardy's murder thirty years after the event ... he was suspected of other killings and apparently died just as he was about to be charged with that of Genette Tate.

In my opinion, one of the differences between police investigations into crime and incursions by investigative journalists is the former can only progress dependent on evidence which will stand in court, whereas the latter consider themselves prosecution, judge and jury based on what passes for evidence to meet their satisfaction.

I didn't ask for your opinion. I asked whether Robert Black had ever been questioned about the death of a Mary Boyle. The answer appears to be no, which seems strange to me if he had been long suspected of it and had been questioned and convicted of several other historic murders.

As to your opinion, do you agree then that Anthony Summers book has no worth either being........whereas the latter ( investigative journalists ) consider themselves prosecution, judge and jury based on what passes for evidence to meet their satisfaction ?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on January 10, 2018, 11:19:21 AM
I didn't ask for your opinion. I asked whether Robert Black had ever been questioned about the death of a Mary Boyle. The answer appears to be no, which seems strange to me if he had been long suspected of it and had been questioned and convicted of several other historic murders.

As to your opinion, do you agree then that Anthony Summers book has no worth either being........whereas the latter ( investigative journalists ) consider themselves prosecution, judge and jury based on what passes for evidence to meet their satisfaction ?
So you chide Brietta for giving her opinion. then immediately give your opinion ?

Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 10, 2018, 01:05:22 PM
Mary Boyle - a stolen child

She was seven (actually six - PF) years old when she disappeared without trace. Was Mary Boyle simply swallowed up by the bleak bogland, or did Britain's worst child-killer, Robert Black who visited Donegal around that time have something to with her disappearance? Brighid McLaughlin, who spent a childhood summer in Donegal, revisited the area and tried to unravel this painful mystery

DEMONSTRATIVE depravities are often acted out in areas of remote isolation. It would be harder to find a more isolated spot than the bleak bogs of Cashelard, Ballyshannon, Co Donegal. In March 1977, something odd and horrible happened in this marshy, desolate place.

St Patrick's Day 1977 started off idyllically enough. The family of seven-year-old Mary Boyle were paying an annual visit to Mary's grandparents' remote cottage in Cashelard. Mary, dressed in trousers and a knitted cardigan, her long hair tied back with a ribbon, came into the house and gave her mother a hug and a kiss. ``Mum, I forgot to kiss you this morning,'' she said. These were the last words she spoke to her mother.

Inside, the adults were about to have dinner; Mary went outside to play with her identical twin sister Ann, older brother Paddy, and two cousins. Her uncle Gerry Gallagher, who was working on the roof of his house, decided to go across the bog to return a ladder to the Cawleys, his neighbours, who lived 400 yards away. Mary, brimming with high childish impulses, followed him.

At around 3.45pm, she walked behind her uncle towards the Cawleys' house, and when she reached a water-filled patch he told her to turn back. She was last seen, by her uncle Gerry, eating a packet of Tayto crisps. The return trek to her grandparents' farmhouse should have taken no more than five minutes. In the meantime, Mr Gallagher chatted briefly with the Cawleys and returned to the house at 4.30pm.

Mrs Ann Boyle was in the kitchen of her parents' house when she discovered that her daughter Mary was missing. There was panic.

``I looked out the front door. The rest of the children were playing in a thicket in the front garden, Mary was not there. My brother Gerry was fixing a stone wall in front of the house. I asked him did he see Mary, he didn't answer, he must not have heard me. Ten minutes later I asked did anyone see Mary and Gerry shot off in his car down the road. I remember in desperation asking my mother to light a candle. I shook holy water all over the place. I felt so panicky and I remember I ran out to the rocks shouting and crying. I hoped and prayed that God would protect her. When Gerry came back to the house he said she had followed him earlier to the Cawleys' house and that she turned back. I got into the car and drove along the road in different directions. It was a nightmare.''

THE entire lake at Upper Cashelard behind her grandparents' house was drained. A trench was dug by a mechanical digger. The painstaking search of the desolate bog produced no body.

The Boyle family live in Keadue, Burtonport. Theirs is a typical neat house which fits into the spread of modern bungalows that dot the Donegal landscape. The Boyles are modest, kind people whose whole lives have been directed by the flow of sadness generated by the loss of their daughter. Their granddaughter, Mary Boyle, dressed in a football jersey, bears an uncanny resemblance to their beloved missing child. Mr Boyle sits nervously whistling under his breath. It all seems too much for him, so his wife Ann does most of the talking.

``Mary never leaves our mind,'' she says. ``It is something that we live with, we don't cope very well. In 1977 you never thought of anything happening to a child, but now you do. One man came to see us, he said he was a diviner, a fellow from Cork, he said Mary was in Scotland so I went to Scotland. Another bloke said she was in a mine-shaft in Belfast. Just a while back, a body was found at Murvagh Golf Club, but the golf green was not in there when Mary was alive. Ann has felt the whole thing very hard.''

Their 30-year-old daughter Ann, Mary's identical twin sister, is a timid, quiet lady who, of course, looks exactly as her sister would. The resemblance make you feel somewhat ill at ease. Anne was married in 1995. She always wanted Mary to be bridesmaid, and kept putting back the wedding, hoping that Mary would be found.

It was sad business talking to them. Their agony and helplessness is pitiable. After I interviewed the family I drove to Annagry for a break. I was in no hurry and I wanted to think of happier things.


Annagry, Co Donegal, is a pretty, stony place thatched with yellow whin bushes the colour of butter. It was a nostalgic visit for me. The last time I was there I was 12 years of age, learning Irish in the gaeltacht with my two sisters Aisling and Deirdre. We had a ball staying in Teach Gillespie. Not much has changed in the beauty and the people. High-tech factories button the Bunbeg shore. There is a new airport in Carrickfin. As I walked the sands of its honey-yellow beach, I would never have guessed the revelations that would soon lay before me.

Two hours later I was minding my own business, relaxing by the fire with a drink, when I met a woman called Emer (not her real name) who told me a most extraordinary story. ``Brighid, did you ever hear of Robert Black, the child-killer?''

Of course I did, I said, thinking of Britain's most notoriously evil child-murderer. Nine murders to his name and God knows how many unsolved.

``Prepare yourself,'' she said. ``Few people know that Robert Black, the sex monster, was sitting in this very bar in 1976 and 1978 a year before and a year after Mary Boyle went missing.''

I could not believe what I was hearing. It seemed like a terrifying conceit. I was suddenly privy to a serial killer's presence in Donegal.

Britain's worst child killer who had done more brutal deeds than Ian Brady of the Moors Murders was loose in Donegal for over two years, before and after Mary went missing. This was the man who bundled little girls into his filthy van, tied them up, gagged and stripped them and zipped them into a sleeping bag. Though impotent, he subjected each girl to a serious sexual assault. Gardai know now that he was in Northern Ireland the day she went missing. Ballyshannon is only a stone's throw away. Was he whistling a tune at another gate for poor Mary Boyle? I was staggered. Not being under suspicion, he would have been able to flit in and out of Donegal like an owl in the night.

``The year Mary went missing,'' said Emer, ``I had a girl working with me. She was always telling me about her nights out, who she fancied and the crack they were up to. His name kept coming up for a few weeks every night.

```Whose? Robert's?' I asked. `Oh, he's just a truck driver I met. He works in the North, delivering things.' `What kind of fellow is he?' `To tell you the truth, I don't like him at all,' she said.

``They were always off in a group to a disco in Dodges, Gweedore, one night or to Annagry another night. He turned up at a pub in 1976, a year before Mary went missing. None of us knew who he was. He was also here in 1978, a year after Mary went missing. According to the girls he had been coming there for years. The girls in the pub knew him as a man who visited several times, delivering posters.''

They had no idea that the scruffy, soft-spoken man with the Scottish accent who rolled his own cigarettes from a battered tin can was a serial killer, the man that Hector Clark, the senior policeman who led the investigation, called ``the most evil of evil characters'' in his book Fear of the Stranger. This was a man obsessed with teenage porn magazines called Lollitots, this was a vicious and compulsive hunter of young girls, the most vicious and emotionless child killer since the Moors murderers.

Little did my own mother know that in those innocent days, when her three children were in Annagry, so was Robert Black. It is a strange world.

BLACK claimed to have killed at least 19 girls across the Continent. Who is to say that he refrained from killing children when he was in Ireland? He was in Belfast on the day another child, Jennifer Cardy, disappeared in Co Antrim. Her body was found a week later in a layby used mainly by truck drivers; her killer was never caught.

One of the disquieting aspects of Robert Black's stay in Donegal in 1978 was that he overnighted with a family with children.

``The following morning he asked to borrow their car under the auspices of buying a Sunday newspaper,'' says Emer. ``My young son was walking to Mass on the main street in Annagry when Black stopped him. My son might have looked like a girl from the back: he had long hair, which was the Seventies fashion.''

According to Emer, Black asked her son for the local paper shop, a fact that he himself with his visits to Annagry would well have known. He encouraged the child to come nearer the car as he was not satisfied with the shop the child pointed out. He asked for another shop. The child was confused. Black went off in the car and didn't stop at any shop. He took a small detour towards Rannafast and circled back to Annagry in a matter of minutes, and then attempted to abduct a young girl known to all in the area.

In 1978, a year after Mary Boyle's disappearance, the gardai knew nothing of Robert Black other than that his name appeared in an after-hours drinking episode near Annagry, an episode which Emer recalls vividly. The circumstances of that late-night transgression were that a normally friendly Garda went through a routine of taking names. The first name, Green, was a lady; the second name was White; the third name was Robert Black. The last man copped on to the irony of it and decided to throw in Johnny Blue. With a shadowy suspicion that he was being ridiculed, the Garda charged them with after-hours drinking. That resulted in a local publican having to pay a fine. Black's name was mentioned in the Garda records.

The investigation in England threw up his various itineraries and the Irish police became aware of his presence in Ireland in the Seventies. And a presence which, ironically, could have been thrown up by their own records of one late-night binge.

Even more sickening was a conversation that occurred on one of his visits to a bar in Dungloe. One of the girls innocently referred to the Mary Boyle murder a year previously, and Black asked if some of the girls would show him where her house was. ``I want to see where her twin sister lives,'' he said. When they declined, he became enraged and agitated. He was very insistent about them showing him the house. Thinking that he had a strange obsession with dead people, they refused to bring him.

THAT night I thought about Black, who was finally caught in 1990 in the middle of an attempted abduction. A revolting mass of material was discovered at his digs, including child pornography magazines, films, videos and children's clothing.

In 1994, Black received 10 life sentences for the abduction, sexual assault and murder of three schoolgirls and the attempted kidnap of a fourth. When Black was put into a cell Chief Detective Hector Clark, who had led the investigation, knew he had his man by the stench of Black's body odours. Black rarely washed.

I wondered, had innocent people been tormented for nothing? It was a harrowing thought. Black knows the black secrets of his own dark deeds. He has never mentioned Mary Boyle in his interviews.

One of Black's most regular parking spaces was the old Cope yard behind Big John's Bar, now called the Bridge Inn, in Dungloe. Time and time again Black and a regular group of innocent friends would leave Annagry by car. The Donegal youngsters thought it was odd that he never once volunteered a lift; even when there was a crowd he would resist having to bring anybody in the van.

Those that met him felt he was a bit of an oddball. On one such occasion his van was already in the car park when they arrived. One of the girls approached the van and she thought she heard a crying sound coming from within. She assumed it might be a pet or something. Black wasn't in the van on this occasion. At another time, on leaving Big John's one of the girls headed toward the van and she was followed very dramatically by Black and severely reprimanded for having gone anywhere near it. Suddenly Black was supercharged with aggression; she was frightened by his overwrought reactions.

I called to see where Black parked his van. This yard is an open place guarded by the sea on one side and a warehouse on the other, where trucks tend to park.

It was only when Black was caught for murdering three children and his photograph was in the paper that Emer remembered his name. ``It all came to me in a flashback. I remembered one of the girls telling me she heard a child crying in the van.''

Entering from Enniskillen, Ballyshannon would have been one of the first towns on Black's path. If he wanted to use unapproved roads at that time, this hinterland would provide him with perfect cover as it did a number of exuberant poachers, three of whom were illegally fishing on the lake on the day of Mary Boyle's disappearance. If he had travelled the Sligo-Bundoran route from Dublin to Donegal he would have avoided going through the North in years of the security-conscious Troubles. Ballyshannon is only a stone's throw away from the North.

One of the girls who had met him on this occasion now lives in Annagry, and I met her. She took grave exception to discussing her past association with Robert Black with a journalist.

After I heard of Black's presence in Annagry, I went back to the Boyle family. According to Mrs Boyle there was one car seen on the road near the family house and the person never came forward. Whose was it? Was it Black's? We may never know. The real tragedy for the Boyle family is that Mary's body was never found.

The following day I decided to walk the boglands, where Mary went missing, with retired Superintendent Aidan Murray. A more decent man would be hard to find. He handed me a hat, Wellingtons and an old coat. ``You'll need these up in these wet boggy fields, they're full of swally-holes.''

We set off in his car towards Cashelard. ``Before I retired I wanted to find the body, and now I want to find it before I snuff it myself,'' he said with a sense of weariness. As we drove up to the mountain, he pointed out the two houses; they were only a 15-minute walk from one to another. We were walking on the very fringe of mystery.

``She definitely disappeared between A and B,'' he said. With a puckered brow he glanced at the damp, boggy distance between them. ``How could anybody dispose of a body in 20 minutes? On the day Mary went missing there were three poachers illegally fishing with an otterboard, which is a piece of timber with hooks hanging of it. These guys have eyes at the back of their heads and would have been keeping their eyes out for gardai. They never saw anything that day. It is very unlikely Black was up there. Somebody would have spotted his van.

``On December 16, 1994, myself and Superintendent Michael Duffy attended a meeting in Newcastle on Tyne about Black to see if there was a link with Mary Boyle. Because we had no body, there wasn't enough to go on. We had no high-tech equipment like we have now. We were basically plumbing the depths of bogs with short sticks rather than detectors. She could have fallen into a swally-hole, a big bog hole covered over with a layer of old vegetation, it floats like a mat and opens like skin. But we've nothing, only this mountain.''

But what about her crisp bag? I said. She would have thrown it on to the ground and it would have taken a long time to disappear. Crisp bags stick to mud. ``We never found it,'' he said.

On my way back to Dublin, just outside Bundoran, I called in to Superintendent Michael Duffy, who was also on the case and who is reasonably familiar with Black's movements. He motioned me into his living-room with a punctilious gesture. When I spoke about Black, he heard me out. Were the stories I had heard in Annagry true?

``Yes,'' he said, thoughtfully. ``They are. It was Robert Black in Annagry.''

Do you think Black is a suspect? There was a long pause. I could see it was entirely alien to his methodical nature to plunge headlong into an answer. Nearly an hour later, he conceded, ``From what I know of this investigation and the information I have, Black should be interviewed about the disappearance of Mary Boyle.''

As I left Bundoran, I thought about the ``shoulds'', ``ifs'', ``buts'' and ``whys'' of life. I wondered, did Black hold another gruesome secret or was there an equally sinister reason why the body wasn't found? Was Mary Boyle abducted near the Cawley farm by Black or someone else? Or did Mary Boyle simply fall into a swally-hole? Only the bleak boglands hold the answer.

One thing is for certain. Nothing can fully describe the loss of a child and the effect it has on people's lives. Not one of us could ever imagine or want to imagine the Boyle family's miserable despondency, their intolerable despair, the strange, unnatural sense of things. Something in their sadness stirred within me the very sacredness of life.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mary-boyle-a-stolen-child-26259379.html
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 10, 2018, 01:49:01 PM
I didn't ask for your opinion. I asked whether Robert Black had ever been questioned about the death of a Mary Boyle. The answer appears to be no, which seems strange to me if he had been long suspected of it and had been questioned and convicted of several other historic murders.

As to your opinion, do you agree then that Anthony Summers book has no worth either being........whereas the latter ( investigative journalists ) consider themselves prosecution, judge and jury based on what passes for evidence to meet their satisfaction ?

Actually my answer is not "no" it would be "I do not know but highly likely as he was obviously questioned about many others, not forgetting that his driving job took him to Europe."

In my opinion he would find it enjoyable to toy with the police and relish taking enjoyment from prolonging the agony of the parents of a missing child just by the simple device of keeping quiet.
Others choose to pile on the agony by the simple device of never ceasing to spout utter nonsense.  It takes all kinds.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 10, 2018, 01:53:27 PM
I didn't ask for your opinion. I asked whether Robert Black had ever been questioned about the death of a Mary Boyle. The answer appears to be no, which seems strange to me if he had been long suspected of it and had been questioned and convicted of several other historic murders.

As to your opinion, do you agree then that Anthony Summers book has no worth either being........whereas the latter ( investigative journalists ) consider themselves prosecution, judge and jury based on what passes for evidence to meet their satisfaction ?

IMO The s and s is superior in as much it is accurate and draws logical conclusions
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 10, 2018, 02:07:58 PM
What is superior is listening to the police and how the last witness statements kept changing and were full of contradictions. He didn't even answer the mother at the wall about seeing the child. She wasn't reported missing until hours later. He has a lot to answer for and the police were told to back off when they believe they were getting a confession.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on January 10, 2018, 02:12:47 PM
Actually my answer is not "no" it would be "I do not know but highly likely as he was obviously questioned about many others, not forgetting that his driving job took him to Europe."

In my opinion he would find it enjoyable to toy with the police and relish taking enjoyment from prolonging the agony of the parents of a missing child just by the simple device of keeping quiet.
Others choose to pile on the agony by the simple device of never ceasing to spout utter nonsense.  It takes all kinds.

If Robert Black had been a prime suspect in the Mary Boyle case you would assume he had been questioned rigorously at least once by the Irish police, wouldn't you, and yet although we know of several children's disappearance he was questioned over there is no documentary evidence that he was ever questioned over Mary.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 10, 2018, 03:07:53 PM
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Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 10, 2018, 03:28:12 PM
What is superior is listening to the police and how the last witness statements kept changing and were full of contradictions. He didn't even answer the mother at the wall about seeing the child. She wasn't reported missing until hours later. He has a lot to answer for and the police were told to back off when they believe they were getting a confession.

Who told the police to back off.....any evidence
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 10, 2018, 03:35:07 PM
Gemma O'Doherty

 
@gemmaod1
 7h7 hours ago
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A mother who is covering up her own daughter’s disappearance offers consolation to the McCanns. Ann Boyle also admits she knows the McCanns due to their connections in her part of Donegal #McCann #MaryBoyle


So is it a fact that Anne Boyle is covering up her daughters death.......or is odoherty making things up

is it a fact thai Anne boyle knows the MCCanns or is this just more fantasy
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on January 10, 2018, 04:34:27 PM
Gemma O'Doherty

 
@gemmaod1
 7h7 hours ago
More
A mother who is covering up her own daughter’s disappearance offers consolation to the McCanns. Ann Boyle also admits she knows the McCanns due to their connections in her part of Donegal #McCann #MaryBoyle


So is it a fact that Anne Boyle is covering up her daughters death.......or is odoherty making things up

is it a fact thai Anne boyle knows the MCCanns or is this just more fantasy

This is going to be interesting, to say the least, although almost certainly just more opinionated rubbish.

But if a serial child killer is known to have been in the area when Mary Boyle disappeared, it doesn't take rocket science to work out what happened.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 10, 2018, 04:44:58 PM
Ex sergeant Martin Collins describes how Mary Boyle's mother, Anne Boyle, never contacted him about her daughter's disappearance.

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Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on January 10, 2018, 05:01:15 PM
If she & uncle went more or less in straight line between the two house, it would seem unlikely that she could have encountered Black, unless he was well off the road, and away from his van/lorry
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on January 10, 2018, 07:30:21 PM
If she & uncle went more or less in straight line between the two house, it would seem unlikely that she could have encountered Black, unless he was well off the road, and away from his van/lorry

This is an extremely remote location, any unusual vehicle movements are usually noted by locals as I myself found out very recently while searching for someone in Donegal.  I can't see Robert Black getting a Ford Transit van anywhere near that farm unnoticed let alone have the opportunity to abduct Mary so close to the cottage and with the uncle in earshot.  All very odd indeed but the conduct of the Irish authorities has been atrocious!

Full marks to Daniel O'Donnell's sister Margo for her epic efforts in trying to bring this mystery to a conclusion!
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on January 10, 2018, 07:56:15 PM
I suppose in the final analysis the efficacy of the result will be judged on whether the girls parents were McCann supporters or sceptics.

sort of as in the punchline of a Weegie joke "stop p*****g us aboot Jimmy are yous a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew ?".

 (&^& (&^& (&^&

This can be changed to Muslim...oh blessed are the ignorant for they shall do well in politix...
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on January 10, 2018, 08:00:46 PM
If Robert Black had been a prime suspect in the Mary Boyle case you would assume he had been questioned rigorously at least once by the Irish police, wouldn't you, and yet although we know of several children's disappearance he was questioned over there is no documentary evidence that he was ever questioned over Mary.

Indeed! Bringing RB into the mix makes for strange reading. It does fit his abduction skill and knowledge set perfectly. Was he walking about and met Mary or see her from a road?

The family behaviour is still very strange indeed. I wonder if this is guilt for Marys disappearance and the shame of being called bad parents or something... I am unsure now.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 10, 2018, 08:12:02 PM
Maddie’s Irish Family Speaks Out
September 24, 2007
By Paddy Clancy
 
MISSING British toddler Madeleine McCann’s Donegal-born grandmother, Eileen McCann, has stoutly defended the child’s parents after they were named as formal suspects in the disappearance.

Eileen McCann said her son Gerry and his wife Kate would never do anything to harm their child. She claimed there was no substantial evidence linking the couple to the disappearance; that the Portuguese police were “just clutching at straws.”

Eileen added in an interview with Donegal’s Highland Radio that she was convinced whoever took three-year-old Madeleine from the family’s holiday apartment in Portugal had drugged her beforehand.

“If she was taken by somebody she did not know when she was sleeping she would have screamed the place down. I really believe they gave her a drug. There is no way they carried her out of there without her wakening,” Eileen said.

Congregations in churches throughout Donegal prayed last weekend for the McCann family after Portuguese police revealed they were suspects.

Portuguese investigators are reported to believe Maddie may have been accidentally killed by her mother and that in a desperate cover-up bid, Gerry helped bury the body at sea.

Friends and relatives in Donegal were stunned when the theory was reported, but quickly rallied to support of the stricken family when some legal experts warned that the evidence against them was almost non-existent.

Leading Irish barrister Anthony McDermott said the Portuguese police had nothing that could secure a conviction, based on the evidence already leaked by them. The evidence includes claims that police dogs had sniffed out the scent of death in the holiday apartment and in a car hired by the McCann’s 25 days after the disappearance.

“It’s a non-existent case, unless there’s something else,” McDermott said.

Little Madeleine disappeared in Portugal’s popular Algarve tourist province in May, just weeks after she holidayed with her family in Donegal at Easter. They spent more than a week in the Rosses area, staying mostly in a boarding house in Dungloe.

Madeleine and two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie were with their parents and their great-uncle Hughie, as well as their grandmother Eileen, also known as Ellen, who was born in the area.

Eileen was a member of a Ferry family with links to the villages of Crolly and Burtonport. In the mid-1960s she married Hughie’s brother Johnny McCann from St. Johnston in east Donegal and they emigrated to Scotland.

The Easter holiday was one of many that family members used to take in Donegal almost every year, but rarely did so many of them travel together to Ireland before.

On their way back to Belfast Airport they stopped at a pub in St. Johnston which Hughie and Johnny owned before they emigrated.

Current owner Joe Peoples said when Maddie disappeared, “They always made a point of calling in for a couple of drinks and a chat.

“The little girl, Maddie, was running around in the bar, playing away and really enjoying herself. She’s such a beautiful child, a wee dote.

“I’m praying for the phone call that will tell me she has been found and that she is okay.”

Peoples said Maddie’s dad Gerry is proud of his Donegal roots. “They keep very much in touch. They came to St. Johnston almost every year –- the years they missed were few and far between.

“This year they just decided they would like to spend a little more time around the Rosses so they opted to stay in Dungloe.”

Maddie’s parents, both physicians, have returned from Portugal to their home in England where, according to the Daily Mail, lawyers acting for them are going back through Portuguese newspapers to look for evidence of “black propaganda” planted by police.

They hope to be able to prove that Portuguese detectives have been leaking negative stories about the McCanns in a bid to besmirch them.

The McCanns also this week brought in former British Foreign Office official Clarence Mitchell to act as the family spokesman.

http://www.irishabroad.com/Modules/CMS/Articles/DSSPrintArticle.aspx?ArticleID=1832
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on January 10, 2018, 08:43:02 PM
Maddie’s Irish Family Speaks Out
September 24, 2007
By Paddy Clancy
 
MISSING British toddler Madeleine McCann’s Donegal-born grandmother, Eileen McCann, has stoutly defended the child’s parents after they were named as formal suspects in the disappearance.

Eileen McCann said her son Gerry and his wife Kate would never do anything to harm their child. She claimed there was no substantial evidence linking the couple to the disappearance; that the Portuguese police were “just clutching at straws.”

Eileen added in an interview with Donegal’s Highland Radio that she was convinced whoever took three-year-old Madeleine from the family’s holiday apartment in Portugal had drugged her beforehand.

“If she was taken by somebody she did not know when she was sleeping she would have screamed the place down. I really believe they gave her a drug. There is no way they carried her out of there without her wakening,” Eileen said.

Congregations in churches throughout Donegal prayed last weekend for the McCann family after Portuguese police revealed they were suspects.

Portuguese investigators are reported to believe Maddie may have been accidentally killed by her mother and that in a desperate cover-up bid, Gerry helped bury the body at sea.

Friends and relatives in Donegal were stunned when the theory was reported, but quickly rallied to support of the stricken family when some legal experts warned that the evidence against them was almost non-existent.

Leading Irish barrister Anthony McDermott said the Portuguese police had nothing that could secure a conviction, based on the evidence already leaked by them. The evidence includes claims that police dogs had sniffed out the scent of death in the holiday apartment and in a car hired by the McCann’s 25 days after the disappearance.

“It’s a non-existent case, unless there’s something else,” McDermott said.

Little Madeleine disappeared in Portugal’s popular Algarve tourist province in May, just weeks after she holidayed with her family in Donegal at Easter. They spent more than a week in the Rosses area, staying mostly in a boarding house in Dungloe.

Madeleine and two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie were with their parents and their great-uncle Hughie, as well as their grandmother Eileen, also known as Ellen, who was born in the area.

Eileen was a member of a Ferry family with links to the villages of Crolly and Burtonport. In the mid-1960s she married Hughie’s brother Johnny McCann from St. Johnston in east Donegal and they emigrated to Scotland.

The Easter holiday was one of many that family members used to take in Donegal almost every year, but rarely did so many of them travel together to Ireland before.

On their way back to Belfast Airport they stopped at a pub in St. Johnston which Hughie and Johnny owned before they emigrated.

Current owner Joe Peoples said when Maddie disappeared, “They always made a point of calling in for a couple of drinks and a chat.

“The little girl, Maddie, was running around in the bar, playing away and really enjoying herself. She’s such a beautiful child, a wee dote.

“I’m praying for the phone call that will tell me she has been found and that she is okay.”

Peoples said Maddie’s dad Gerry is proud of his Donegal roots. “They keep very much in touch. They came to St. Johnston almost every year –- the years they missed were few and far between.

“This year they just decided they would like to spend a little more time around the Rosses so they opted to stay in Dungloe.”

Maddie’s parents, both physicians, have returned from Portugal to their home in England where, according to the Daily Mail, lawyers acting for them are going back through Portuguese newspapers to look for evidence of “black propaganda” planted by police.

They hope to be able to prove that Portuguese detectives have been leaking negative stories about the McCanns in a bid to besmirch them.

The McCanns also this week brought in former British Foreign Office official Clarence Mitchell to act as the family spokesman.

http://www.irishabroad.com/Modules/CMS/Articles/DSSPrintArticle.aspx?ArticleID=1832

enbolden... yeah they got the best protection money could buy. Not their money mind you!
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 10, 2018, 11:09:03 PM
If Robert Black had been a prime suspect in the Mary Boyle case you would assume he had been questioned rigorously at least once by the Irish police, wouldn't you, and yet although we know of several children's disappearance he was questioned over there is no documentary evidence that he was ever questioned over Mary.

Please attempt to get your facts straight.
No one on this forum suggested that Robert Black was a prime suspect in Mary Boyle's disappearance, perhaps the media did. I said that in my opinion Mary's disappearance matched the preferred technique used by a convicted child killer known to have worked in Donegal.

If there is to be a cold case review including taking a look at the possibility that Robert Black could have had something to do with Mary's disappearance, confirmation of the possibility would include evidence which would place him in the vicinity of where Mary was last seen and that may exist.
Snip
Mary vanished in Cashelard in March 1977. Former detective Clark says he has evidence van driver Black was working in the area at the time.

Clark said Black returned in 1978, raising fears he was hunting for another victim.

“There is confirmation that when Mary went missing Black was a regular visitor at a pub in County Donegal. He appears on a Garda charge sheet for after hours drinking,” he said.
http://www.donegaldaily.com/2014/07/27/cold-case-expert-robert-black-killed-mary-boyle-and-came-back-to-donegal-intending-to-kill-again/

Just because a conspiracy theorist has decided she 'knows' better than the police ... why ignore the fact that Mary could have fallen victim to a child serial killer who might have used his tried and tested method for bundling little girls into his van ... and go with the conspiracy yet again.

I despair of the ease with which the rule of law is being cast aside by some to be replaced with a cheer leader ~ a video camera ~ the internet and a mandatory baying mob.
There is a burden of proof required to enable justice to work.  Sigh ... how lightly our rights are dispensed with to be so lightly replaced by the proper camera angle ~ preferably a fly over drone ~ and the ever present conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on January 10, 2018, 11:40:28 PM
Please attempt to get your facts straight.
No one on this forum suggested that Robert Black was a prime suspect in Mary Boyle's disappearance, perhaps the media did. I said that in my opinion Mary's disappearance matched the preferred technique used by a convicted child killer known to have worked in Donegal.

If there is to be a cold case review including taking a look at the possibility that Robert Black could have had something to do with Mary's disappearance, confirmation of the possibility would include evidence which would place him in the vicinity of where Mary was last seen and that may exist.
Snip
Mary vanished in Cashelard in March 1977. Former detective Clark says he has evidence van driver Black was working in the area at the time.

Clark said Black returned in 1978, raising fears he was hunting for another victim.

“There is confirmation that when Mary went missing Black was a regular visitor at a pub in County Donegal. He appears on a Garda charge sheet for after hours drinking,” he said.
http://www.donegaldaily.com/2014/07/27/cold-case-expert-robert-black-killed-mary-boyle-and-came-back-to-donegal-intending-to-kill-again/

Just because a conspiracy theorist has decided she 'knows' better than the police ... why ignore the fact that Mary could have fallen victim to a child serial killer who might have used his tried and tested method for bundling little girls into his van ... and go with the conspiracy yet again.

I despair of the ease with which the rule of law is being cast aside by some to be replaced with a cheer leader ~ a video camera ~ the internet and a mandatory baying mob.
There is a burden of proof required to enable justice to work.  Sigh ... how lightly our rights are dispensed with to be so lightly replaced by the proper camera angle ~ preferably a fly over drone ~ and the ever present conspiracy theory.

Every 'burglary gone wrong', ' child smuggling network and 'it was the gypsies what done it' in this case is a conspiracy theory. Not sure I've ever heard you complain about those.

My, my Miss O hasn't even published her article yet and the knives are out ! Poor woman, she doesn't know what she's let herself in for.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 11, 2018, 12:34:27 AM
Every 'burglary gone wrong', ' child smuggling network and 'it was the gypsies what done it' in this case is a conspiracy theory. Not sure I've ever heard you complain about those.

My, my Miss O hasn't even published her article yet and the knives are out ! Poor woman, she doesn't know what she's let herself in for.

Hmmm ... "Black may also have been responsible for several other unsolved child murders throughout Britain, Ireland and continental Europe between 1969 and 1987."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Black_(serial_killer)

If a child serial killer was in the area from which Mary Black disappeared at the time she disappeared in my opinion it would be a bit of an oversight to rule him out of the equation in favour of some conspiracy theory or other.

Black was convicted of killing one Irish child, nine year old Jennifer Cardy.  So he was there.

Another Irish child vanished, six year old Mary Boyle.  He may have been there.

How many other Irish girls of that age have been abducted and murdered by a stranger?  Why these two girls from areas where Black's driving job took him?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on January 11, 2018, 12:49:06 AM
Hmmm ... "Black may also have been responsible for several other unsolved child murders throughout Britain, Ireland and continental Europe between 1969 and 1987."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Black_(serial_killer)

If a child serial killer was in the area from which Mary Black disappeared at the time she disappeared in my opinion it would be a bit of an oversight to rule him out of the equation in favour of some conspiracy theory or other.

Black was convicted of killing one Irish child, nine year old Jennifer Cardy.  So he was there.

Another Irish child vanished, six year old Mary Boyle.  He may have been there.

How many other Irish girls of that age have been abducted and murdered by a stranger?  Why these two girls from areas where Black's driving job took him?

Of course it is possible but we have no evidence Black was ever questioned about the disappearance of Mary Boyle and several policemen working on the case at the time certainly believe the blame lies elsewhere and they obviously are party to more information than us.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 11, 2018, 11:24:49 AM
Of course it is possible but we have no evidence Black was ever questioned about the disappearance of Mary Boyle and several policemen working on the case at the time certainly believe the blame lies elsewhere and they obviously are party to more information than us.

It took a long time to link the atrocities perpetrated by this man to him ... I believe HOLMES may have been used in Jennifer Cardy's case many years after he killed her ... and the forensics he left behind helped to convict him thirty years down the line.

The police have absolutely no idea how many little girls may have fallen victim to this man nor do they know where many of them were thrown like so much rubbish ... in my opinion probably in water as it features in killings where there was enough evidence to convict him.

A retired detective claims to have proof Black was in Paderborn when Katrice Lee vanished ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3592580/Did-serial-killer-Robert-Black-snatch-two-year-old-girl-British-Army-base-Germany-three-decades-ago.html

In my opinion it is reprehensible to accuse people who may be innocent of any crime particularly if there is obviously not sufficient evidence to warrant the police investigating under caution.
It is even more reprehensible for this doyen of the conspiracy theory to point an accusatory finger at Mary Boyle's mother which will no doubt encourager les autres.

There are many crimes which Black may have been guilty of and only his carelessness or arrogance enabled his eventual downfall to enable anyone to link his movements to any of them.

In my opinion the extraordinary denial of the presence of serial killers and kidnappers in our world in preference to mounting a hue and cry of conspiracy when a child disappears is highly intriguing particularly as it deflects from the task of eliminating a monster from our society.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Erngath on January 11, 2018, 12:01:04 PM
Every 'burglary gone wrong', ' child smuggling network and 'it was the gypsies what done it' in this case is a conspiracy theory. Not sure I've ever heard you complain about those.

My, my Miss O hasn't even published her article yet and the knives are out ! Poor woman, she doesn't know what she's let herself in for.

" The knives were out "for Summers and Swan , long before their book was published.
Poor people had no idea of the vitriol that would be heading their way.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on January 11, 2018, 12:08:09 PM
Put your head above the parapet, expect to get it shot off.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 11, 2018, 01:41:01 PM
Who told the police to back off.....any evidence

Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 11, 2018, 01:45:59 PM
Robert Black report.

Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on January 11, 2018, 02:24:47 PM
It took a long time to link the atrocities perpetrated by this man to him ... I believe HOLMES may have been used in Jennifer Cardy's case many years after he killed her ... and the forensics he left behind helped to convict him thirty years down the line.

The police have absolutely no idea how many little girls may have fallen victim to this man nor do they know where many of them were thrown like so much rubbish ... in my opinion probably in water as it features in killings where there was enough evidence to convict him.

A retired detective claims to have proof Black was in Paderborn when Katrice Lee vanished ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3592580/Did-serial-killer-Robert-Black-snatch-two-year-old-girl-British-Army-base-Germany-three-decades-ago.html

In my opinion it is reprehensible to accuse people who may be innocent of any crime particularly if there is obviously not sufficient evidence to warrant the police investigating under caution.
It is even more reprehensible for this doyen of the conspiracy theory to point an accusatory finger at Mary Boyle's mother which will no doubt encourager les autres.

There are many crimes which Black may have been guilty of and only his carelessness or arrogance enabled his eventual downfall to enable anyone to link his movements to any of them.

In my opinion the extraordinary denial of the presence of serial killers and kidnappers in our world in preference to mounting a hue and cry of conspiracy when a child disappears is highly intriguing particularly as it deflects from the task of eliminating a monster from our society.

The link you posts re Katrice Lee.......another conspiracy theory ?  8(0(*
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on January 11, 2018, 05:02:08 PM
Looks like we'll soon get to see the new documentary.

Gemma O'Doherty‏ @gemmaod1

My investigation on the #McCann case will be published later this month in @VillageMagIRE.
Until then, I will publish information which I consider to be of general public interest about the case here.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 11, 2018, 06:33:37 PM
The link you posts re Katrice Lee.......another conspiracy theory ?  8(0(*

You appear to be quite determined that small girls are prone to vanishing without any help from known child killers ... have you never thought we could dispense with the criminal justice system altogether if a theory backed by a video sufficed?

If Robert Black or someone like him can be proved to have been in the areas from where little girls vanished at the time I think it is worth a thought.  Sometimes benefit of hindsight is useful in building profiles to be of use in the future protection of vulnerable children.
In my opinion witch hunts don't come close to achieving that.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on January 11, 2018, 07:12:53 PM
You appear to be quite determined that small girls are prone to vanishing without any help from known child killers ... have you never thought we could dispense with the criminal justice system altogether if a theory backed by a video sufficed?

If Robert Black or someone like him can be proved to have been in the areas from where little girls vanished at the time I think it is worth a thought.  Sometimes benefit of hindsight is useful in building profiles to be of use in the future protection of vulnerable children.
In my opinion witch hunts don't come close to achieving that.
The link you posted is to Katrice Lee.

Is there any connection to Robert Black, or to the topic title, Mary Boyle?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2018, 07:20:51 PM
when I look at her twitter posts re her so called investiagation of the McCann case it makes me wonder how accurate this video is
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 11, 2018, 07:22:33 PM
The link you posted is to Katrice Lee.

Is there any connection to Robert Black, or to the topic title, Mary Boyle?

You mean you haven't been following the thread?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 11, 2018, 08:22:51 PM
Have you watched the video about Robert Black? It wasn't him - that was a remote spot and all vehicles seen were investigated. Family members and police say they know who it was and he was protected.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 11, 2018, 08:39:15 PM
Gemma O'Doherty

@gemmaod1
 3h3 hours ago

Good to hear a protest is being held in March at the office of Donegal coroner Dr Denis McCauley over his refusal to hold #MaryBoyle inquest
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2018, 09:13:48 PM
Have you watched the video about Robert Black? It wasn't him - that was a remote spot and all vehicles seen were investigated. Family members and police say they know who it was and he was protected.

And is there evidence  against this person...... Or is it just the same as those who believe  the mccanns are guilty and protected
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 11, 2018, 09:18:14 PM
Have you watched the video about Robert Black? It wasn't him - that was a remote spot and all vehicles seen were investigated. Family members and police say they know who it was and he was protected.

Robert Black was a serial killer of little girls.  He killed one little girl in Ireland and he was familiar with the area in Donegal from where Mary vanished.

If Black's vehicle was in the vicinity he had a perfectly legitimate reason for it to be there ... he was working.

It is not possible for anyone to accuse anyone of anything without a modicum of proof and that includes an undoubted serial child killer like Black but if he was there when Mary disappeared ... I know who my money would be on.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 11, 2018, 09:23:50 PM
Most murdered children are caused by family or friends not Robert Black.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2018, 09:32:02 PM
Most murdered children are caused by family or friends not Robert Black.

Oh, I see.  The other children that he murdered were done by him because he was a family friend.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on January 12, 2018, 12:20:42 AM
You appear to be quite determined that small girls are prone to vanishing without any help from known child killers ... have you never thought we could dispense with the criminal justice system altogether if a theory backed by a video sufficed?

If Robert Black or someone like him can be proved to have been in the areas from where little girls vanished at the time I think it is worth a thought.  Sometimes benefit of hindsight is useful in building profiles to be of use in the future protection of vulnerable children.
In my opinion witch hunts don't come close to achieving that.

Of course small girls are abducted and killed by known child killers but far more are killed by those closest to them such as family members.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 12, 2018, 07:15:06 AM
Of course small girls are abducted and killed by known child killers but far more are killed by those closest to them such as family members.

When family members are involved I think you will find it is rarely two biological parents.... It usually involves broken familiar
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: slartibartfast on January 12, 2018, 07:27:57 AM
When family members are involved I think you will find it is rarely two biological parents.... It usually involves broken familiar

It should be remembered that any murder where a body is not found is treated as a disappearance and maybe an abduction but also may not be.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 12, 2018, 12:54:28 PM
Of course small girls are abducted and killed by known child killers but far more are killed by those closest to them such as family members.

In my opinion your generalisation is not applicable at a time and place in which a known serial killer of little girls may well have been operating.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: slartibartfast on January 12, 2018, 12:56:24 PM
In my opinion your generalisation is not applicable at a time and place in which a known serial killer of little girls may well have been operating.

May being the operative word.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on January 12, 2018, 01:11:34 PM
May being the operative word.
There's that, plus the fact the County Donegal has an area only fractionally smaller than the Algarve.  In other words, that alone doesn't cut it down much.

To make a link, one needs to place Black somewhere close to where Mary Boyle disappeared, around the time of her disappearance.

Otherwise it is pure speculation.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 12, 2018, 01:13:49 PM
May being the operative word.

There may be evidence for his presence there or there may not be (I have already provided a cite which states there is)... evidence being the clincher.  Not as some deem sufficient, innuendo and rumour directed at those who by law enjoy the right to be as innocent as the next person unless there is evidence to the contrary.
At which stage the law will take its course ... not a Kangaroo court.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 12, 2018, 01:19:51 PM
There's that, plus the fact the County Donegal has an area only fractionally smaller than the Algarve.  In other words, that alone doesn't cut it down much.

To make a link, one needs to place Black somewhere close to where Mary Boyle disappeared, around the time of her disappearance.

Otherwise it is pure speculation.

It is not my speculation ... if you follow the links I have provided proof of his proximity has been claimed.

On the other hand ... don't you find it strange to be defending a child serial killer's right not to be speculated about in a missing child case ... but it seems to be fine to accept others to speculate in the vilest terms about an innocent member of the community?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: slartibartfast on January 12, 2018, 01:33:33 PM
It is not my speculation ... if you follow the links I have provided proof of his proximity has been claimed.

On the other hand ... don't you find it strange to be defending a child serial killer's right not to be speculated about in a missing child case ... but it seems to be fine to accept others to speculate in the vilest terms about an innocent member of the community?

I think it is more about the willingness of some posters to latch onto anyone who has any connection in time or place to the point of the disappearance and imply that that person is in some way involved.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on January 12, 2018, 01:56:18 PM
It is not my speculation ... if you follow the links I have provided proof of his proximity has been claimed.

On the other hand ... don't you find it strange to be defending a child serial killer's right not to be speculated about in a missing child case ... but it seems to be fine to accept others to speculate in the vilest terms about an innocent member of the community?
As far as I can tell from the two links you have provided, Robert Black is alleged to have drunk at a pub in southern County Donegal, whilst the police investigation was conducted in northern County Donegal.  If my understanding is incorrect, please provide clarification thereof.


Throwing any old speculation into the pot will not progress justice for Mary Boyle.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on January 12, 2018, 02:19:59 PM
As far as I can tell from the two links you have provided, Robert Black is alleged to have drunk at a pub in southern County Donegal, whilst the police investigation was conducted in northern County Donegal.  If my understanding is incorrect, please provide clarification thereof.


Throwing any old speculation into the pot will not progress justice for Mary Boyle.

No, I think that is right, By road they look to be about 50km apart.
Not even sure that the exact times coincide either. Sightings quoted as a year before and a year after Mary's disappearance, i.e. 2 years between sighting in the pub. No information of where he might have been in between times.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on January 12, 2018, 03:06:53 PM
No, I think that is right, By road they look to be about 50km apart.
Not even sure that the exact times coincide either. Sightings quoted as a year before and a year after Mary's disappearance, i.e. 2 years between sighting in the pub. No information of where he might have been in between times.
There is an interesting article at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/the_ripper_and_the_swedish_murders on the BBC today.

There were two murders in Sweden when Peter Sutcliffe was on his killing spree.  On the date of one of the murders, Sutcliffe was working in Sweden.  The killings had similarities to several of the Sutcliffe murders.

As far as I can tell, that's about it.

Sutcliffe may be the culprit, but on this evidence, charges would not stand up in a criminal court.  So it is speculation.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 12, 2018, 04:16:11 PM
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 12, 2018, 05:21:11 PM
I think it is more about the willingness of some posters to latch onto anyone who has any connection in time or place to the point of the disappearance and imply that that person is in some way involved.

Is the person who has been chosen by the investigative journalist and other conspiracy theorists to become the figure of speculation a convicted child killer?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 12, 2018, 05:23:19 PM
As far as I can tell from the two links you have provided, Robert Black is alleged to have drunk at a pub in southern County Donegal, whilst the police investigation was conducted in northern County Donegal.  If my understanding is incorrect, please provide clarification thereof.


Throwing any old speculation into the pot will not progress justice for Mary Boyle.

Nor will pure speculation about innocent people progress justice for Mary Boyle.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 12, 2018, 05:26:45 PM
There is an interesting article at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/the_ripper_and_the_swedish_murders on the BBC today.

There were two murders in Sweden when Peter Sutcliffe was on his killing spree.  On the date of one of the murders, Sutcliffe was working in Sweden.  The killings had similarities to several of the Sutcliffe murders.

As far as I can tell, that's about it.

Sutcliffe may be the culprit, but on this evidence, charges would not stand up in a criminal court.  So it is speculation.

As is the speculation fed by Gemma O'Doherty: will that stand up in a criminal court?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on January 12, 2018, 05:30:45 PM
There's that, plus the fact the County Donegal has an area only fractionally smaller than the Algarve.  In other words, that alone doesn't cut it down much.

To make a link, one needs to place Black somewhere close to where Mary Boyle disappeared, around the time of her disappearance.

Otherwise it is pure speculation.

It would appear that  Brietta is quite happy to accuse Black of a part in Mary's disappearance without evidence but not Mary's family.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on January 12, 2018, 05:31:15 PM
Unless I've dreamed it, isn't the Garda now going to  review the case, so maybe her documentary will prove to have been of use in getting to that stage.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on January 12, 2018, 05:32:46 PM
As is the speculation fed by Gemma O'Doherty: will that stand up in a criminal court?

Doesn't need to. Any court case will be based on evidence.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 12, 2018, 05:46:06 PM
It would appear that  Brietta is quite happy to accuse Black of a part in Mary's disappearance without evidence but not Mary's family.

I'm not sure how far down the slippery slope of libel you are sliding with that post, maybe John will decide.  But just for the record ... I have not accused Black of having a part in Mary's disappearance ... just as I have not accused anyone else.
What a pity others have not done likewise.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on January 12, 2018, 05:56:09 PM
I'm not sure how far down the slippery slope of libel you are sliding with that post, maybe John will decide.  But just for the record ... I have not accused Black of having a part in Mary's disappearance ... just as I have not accused anyone else.
What a pity others have not done likewise.

So you don't think Black may have had a part in Mary's disappearance?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on January 12, 2018, 05:59:09 PM
The former Garda sergeant who investigated the case has stated categorically that Blacks involvement was impossible.  I'm not surprised frankly given the location and everything else I personally know about Donegal.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on January 12, 2018, 06:01:43 PM
The former Garda sergeant who investigated the case has stated categorically that Blacks involvement was impossible.  I'm not surprised frankly given the location and everything else I personally know about Donegal.

Perhaps you can also clarify if I've libelled anyone in my post numbered 88 ?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: slartibartfast on January 12, 2018, 06:38:40 PM
It would appear that  Brietta is quite happy to accuse Black of a part in Mary's disappearance without evidence but not Mary's family.

Well he is dead.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 12, 2018, 06:51:22 PM
Well he is dead.

The other person mentioned in the post is not, and is easily recognisable to those followers of social media with an interest in "justice" for Mary but with scant regard for an accusation based on nothing more than speculation.

NB the post you are replying to above has been pointed out as being mistaken ... didn't you notice?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: slartibartfast on January 12, 2018, 06:54:10 PM
The other person mentioned in the post is not, and is easily recognisable to those followers of social media with an interest in "justice" for Mary but with scant regard for an accusation based on nothing more than speculation.

NB the post you are replying to above has been pointed out as being mistaken ... didn't you notice?

Saying you are not willing to accuse the family is not libel.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on January 12, 2018, 08:08:30 PM
Saying you are not willing to accuse the family is not libel.

Thank you for clarifying that Slartibartfast. Perhaps Brietta will now apologise.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on January 12, 2018, 08:09:07 PM
The other person mentioned in the post is not, and is easily recognisable to those followers of social media with an interest in "justice" for Mary but with scant regard for an accusation based on nothing more than speculation.

NB the post you are replying to above has been pointed out as being mistaken ... didn't you notice?

You bandy such terms as "justice for x" about with gay abandon. Would you object strongly to sharing with us precisely the definition upon which you rely?
If it transpires you do object then perhaps you will be good enough to tell us why that should be so?
Thanking you in anticipation I remain......................
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 12, 2018, 11:07:08 PM
'I saw Mary being driven away in a red car'- fisherman believes he saw Mary Boyle (6) being 'lifted'
   
Catherine Devine 
July 14 2016 12:13 PM


Fisherman PJ Coughlan has said he saw a red Volkswagen Beetle speeding away from the area that Mary went missing ten minutes before he saw Mary’s uncle Gerry frantically searching for her.

“I believe I saw her being driven away in a car. There’s no doubt in my mind she was lifted,” told the Irish Daily Star.
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Coughlan (73) told the Irish Daily Star: “He came to the top of the mountain shouting “Mary, Mary. Where are you?” He was looking for his niece… he was upset surely.”

Coughlan was the first person at the Garda station in Ballyshannon in 1977 to report Mary’s disappearance. He said he told gardai about the car but he claimed that this wasn’t recorded because the gardai already had a suspect.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/i-saw-mary-being-driven-away-in-a-red-car-fisherman-believes-he-saw-mary-boyle-6-being-lifted-34883293.html


At least one independent witness saw and reported a vehicle in the area that Mary disappeared from ... might have been an idea to trace it to check it out.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on January 12, 2018, 11:09:08 PM
'I saw Mary being driven away in a red car'- fisherman believes he saw Mary Boyle (6) being 'lifted'
   
Catherine Devine 
July 14 2016 12:13 PM


Fisherman PJ Coughlan has said he saw a red Volkswagen Beetle speeding away from the area that Mary went missing ten minutes before he saw Mary’s uncle Gerry frantically searching for her.

“I believe I saw her being driven away in a car. There’s no doubt in my mind she was lifted,” told the Irish Daily Star.
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Coughlan (73) told the Irish Daily Star: “He came to the top of the mountain shouting “Mary, Mary. Where are you?” He was looking for his niece… he was upset surely.”

Coughlan was the first person at the Garda station in Ballyshannon in 1977 to report Mary’s disappearance. He said he told gardai about the car but he claimed that this wasn’t recorded because the gardai already had a suspect.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/i-saw-mary-being-driven-away-in-a-red-car-fisherman-believes-he-saw-mary-boyle-6-being-lifted-34883293.html


At least one independent witness saw and reported a vehicle in the area that Mary disappeared from ... might have been an idea to trace it to check it out.

Didn't Black drive a van ?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 12, 2018, 11:34:47 PM
They should have investigated the wall he was building/fixing at the time or any other foundations/building work.

(http://i63.tinypic.com/4kwrux.png)
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on January 13, 2018, 12:40:15 AM
They should have investigated the wall he was building/fixing at the time or any other foundations/building work.

(http://i63.tinypic.com/4kwrux.png)

Any chance of a link to the image?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 13, 2018, 01:40:41 AM
https://vimeo.com/178748542
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on January 14, 2018, 12:59:58 PM
'I saw Mary being driven away in a red car'- fisherman believes he saw Mary Boyle (6) being 'lifted'
   
Catherine Devine 
July 14 2016 12:13 PM


Fisherman PJ Coughlan has said he saw a red Volkswagen Beetle speeding away from the area that Mary went missing ten minutes before he saw Mary’s uncle Gerry frantically searching for her.

“I believe I saw her being driven away in a car. There’s no doubt in my mind she was lifted,” told the Irish Daily Star.
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Coughlan (73) told the Irish Daily Star: “He came to the top of the mountain shouting “Mary, Mary. Where are you?” He was looking for his niece… he was upset surely.”

Coughlan was the first person at the Garda station in Ballyshannon in 1977 to report Mary’s disappearance. He said he told gardai about the car but he claimed that this wasn’t recorded because the gardai already had a suspect.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/i-saw-mary-being-driven-away-in-a-red-car-fisherman-believes-he-saw-mary-boyle-6-being-lifted-34883293.html


At least one independent witness saw and reported a vehicle in the area that Mary disappeared from ... might have been an idea to trace it to check it out.


OH My how many issues with this statement.

“He came to the top of the mountain shouting “Mary, Mary. Where are you?” He was looking for his niece… he was upset surely.”

The missing part is he ran sraight home and told Marys mother she was missing and they called the police right away.... no,no that didn't happen I wonder why not.

AND it was reported that the fisherman believed she was lifted - he did not give details about who lifted her or what they were both wearing...

Red car?  Black drove a van, and even if he was walking about looking for prey, he would have had to grab Mary and run a distance to his Van and this was not reported as being seen in the area.
It os also interesting that the mother when hearing Black did visit that area, she claimed that Mary may have wandered off to a town many miles away to look at a toy she wanted.  Hmmm

Just my observations...
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on February 01, 2018, 12:10:12 AM
The BBC and Madeleine: How the public were misled about a key sighting that could help to unlock the mystery of her disappearance. My investigation will be in @VillageMagIRE this weekend #McCann
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2018, 01:51:37 AM
The BBC and Madeleine: How the public were misled about a key sighting that could help to unlock the mystery of her disappearance. My investigation will be in @VillageMagIRE this weekend #McCann

Apologies for my ignorance but what exactly is @VillageMagIRE ?  Is it Twitter?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Robittybob1 on February 01, 2018, 02:11:09 AM
Apologies for my ignorance but what exactly is @VillageMagIRE ?  Is it Twitter?
Village Magazine
@VillageMagIRE
Challenging the endemically cosy and others by the acute promotion of equality, sustainability and accountability.

Dublin, Ireland
villagemagazine.ie
Joined August 2009
Tweet to Village Magazine
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on February 01, 2018, 02:41:05 AM
Apologies for my ignorance but what exactly is @VillageMagIRE ?  Is it Twitter?

https://villagemagazine.ie/

http://www.newstalk.com/Donald-Trump-Ireland-magazine-Village-cover-Hitler-visit-Michael-Smith

Seems to be a monthly magazine which is available in newsagents.

Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2018, 09:51:21 AM
https://villagemagazine.ie/

http://www.newstalk.com/Donald-Trump-Ireland-magazine-Village-cover-Hitler-visit-Michael-Smith

Seems to be a monthly magazine which is available in newsagents.

Thanks, Misty, if nothing else they could probably do with a boost to their circulation if people order up.  I don't think they will though given the accessibility of the internet.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on February 01, 2018, 09:56:46 AM
Not sure about access. Certainly some of December 2017 edition is available online.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on February 01, 2018, 10:01:14 AM
Not sure about access. Certainly some of December 2017 edition is available online.

Someone will post it up I'm sure, particularly if it is in the least pejorative towards the McCanns.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on February 01, 2018, 10:07:26 AM
Too right, and why not? We need something to talk about.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on February 01, 2018, 10:12:31 AM
Someone will post it up I'm sure, particularly if it is in the least pejorative towards the McCanns.

Not to worry Brietta as a salve here's a lovely fuzzy story by Kate's good friend and spin class partner about the twins becoming teenagers. Enjoy !

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5473303/madeleine-mccanns-parents-celebrate-twins-becoming-teens-with-prayers-for-missing-daughter-wherever-she-is/#comments
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on February 02, 2018, 11:49:49 PM
Gemma O'Doherty
@gemmaod1
As part of my #MadeleineMcCann investigation, the #BBC have admitted to me they made a mistake in their coverage of a potentially critical sighting of a man and child on the night she disappeared. Police say this  sighting could hold the key to the entire mystery #McCann
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: barrier on August 20, 2018, 11:01:05 AM

Journalist Gemma O'Doherty announces intention to run for presidency


http://www.thejournal.ie/journalist-gemma-odoherty-announces-she-will-run-for-presidency-4190255-Aug2018/

Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on August 20, 2018, 11:30:18 AM
Journalist Gemma O'Doherty announces intention to run for presidency


http://www.thejournal.ie/journalist-gemma-odoherty-announces-she-will-run-for-presidency-4190255-Aug2018/
Interesting that she was made compulsorily redundant after doorstepping a high ranking police officer who had penalty points wiped from his license. 
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: G-Unit on August 20, 2018, 12:06:24 PM
Interesting that she was made compulsorily redundant after doorstepping a high ranking police officer who had penalty points wiped from his license.

It seems that she was unfairly dismissed;

Independent Newspapers unreservedly apologise to Ms O’Doherty for the stress and hardship caused to her and her husband as a result of its actions.

Independent Newspapers have agreed to pay Ms Doherty undisclosed damages and to idemnify her in relation to her legal costs.
http://www.thejournal.ie/gemma-odoherty-independent-equality-tribunal-1848038-Dec2014/
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on August 20, 2018, 04:42:56 PM
It seems that she was unfairly dismissed;

Independent Newspapers unreservedly apologise to Ms O’Doherty for the stress and hardship caused to her and her husband as a result of its actions.

Independent Newspapers have agreed to pay Ms Doherty undisclosed damages and to idemnify her in relation to her legal costs.
http://www.thejournal.ie/gemma-odoherty-independent-equality-tribunal-1848038-Dec2014/
Quite right too!  Yet some think Martin Brunt should have been sacked for his doorstepping antics. 
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: G-Unit on August 20, 2018, 07:33:30 PM
Quite right too!  Yet some think Martin Brunt should have been sacked for his doorstepping antics.

They may have behaved in a similar manner, but their reasons and their targets were very different.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on August 20, 2018, 08:49:16 PM
They may have behaved in a similar manner, but their reasons and their targets were very different.
The principle is the same, doorstepping someone perceived to have done something wrong in order to report it in the media.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Sunny on August 20, 2018, 10:16:08 PM
Quite right too!  Yet some think Martin Brunt should have been sacked for his doorstepping antics.

Not quite the same at all Vertigo Swirl.

Gemma O'Doherty was doorstepping a senior policeman who seems to have been breaking the law. Brenda was neither a senior police officer nor breaking the law.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on August 20, 2018, 10:18:20 PM
Not quite the same at all Vertigo Swirl.

Gemma O'Doherty was doorstepping a senior policeman who seems to have been breaking the law. Brenda was neither a senior police officer nor breaking the law.
So who can and can’t be doorstepped in your view? 
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Sunny on August 20, 2018, 10:24:52 PM
So who can and can’t be doorstepped in your view?

I would imagine no one who hadn't been arrested or charged now following the Cliff Richard BBC mess.

IMO no individual should ever be doorstepped even those cowboy builders that presenters follow up the street to get ratings up.

Doorstepping is not about news it is about notoriety for the presenter and the TV show IMO.  And IMO that goes for Sonia Poulton who I have read doorstepped the McCanns too before you ask.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on August 20, 2018, 10:44:28 PM
I would imagine no one who hadn't been arrested or charged now following the Cliff Richard BBC mess.

IMO no individual should ever be doorstepped even those cowboy builders that presenters follow up the street to get ratings up.

Doorstepping is not about news it is about notoriety for the presenter and the TV show IMO.  And IMO that goes for Sonia Poulton who I have read doorstepped the McCanns too before you ask.
So a law against allowing the press to doorstep anyone should be enacted in your view?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 20, 2018, 11:29:28 PM
So a law against allowing the press to doorstep anyone should be enacted in your view?
One of the most popular TV programs in NZ is called "Fair Go" and one of the common occurrences are the reporters doorstepping  the people ripping others off.
There would be riots if that was ever disallowed.   Over here if we don't get service we say "I'll take that to Fair Go"
 and they will take notice.

https://youtu.be/oH-Esm1LjCg
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Sunny on August 20, 2018, 11:52:11 PM
So a law against allowing the press to doorstep anyone should be enacted in your view?

Personally yes, if they haven't been charged with a crime as I said earlier I think Sonia Poulton was very wrong to try to do the same to the Mccanns.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on August 20, 2018, 11:55:17 PM
Personally yes, if they haven't been charged with a crime as I said earlier I think Sonia Poulton was very wrong to try to do the same to the Mccanns.
Personally I think you are talking about restricting the freedom of the press and I disagree with you.  Doorstepping is a very common journalistic practice and not only of people suspected of or involved in criminal activity. 
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on August 21, 2018, 12:08:20 AM
Personally I think you are talking about restricting the freedom of the press and I disagree with you.  Doorstepping is a very common journalistic practice and not only of people suspected of or involved in criminal activity.

Don’t you believe that the media doorstepping individuals who are being investigated may jeopardise any future court case ?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 21, 2018, 12:11:08 AM
Don’t you believe that the media doorstepping individuals who are being investigated may jeopardise any future court case ?
They are civil case matters not criminal matters.
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on August 21, 2018, 07:29:38 AM
Don’t you believe that the media doorstepping individuals who are being investigated may jeopardise any future court case ?
Can you give any examples where this has been the case?
Title: Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 21, 2018, 10:36:51 PM
So a law against allowing the press to doorstep anyone should be enacted in your view?

Just to remind you- citizens have a right to privacy. They do not need to or are obliged to discuss anything with the press. Especially, the doorstepping cheap media hype of no news and fake news.  Freedom of the press was not your main concern with regards to the libel by McCanns thread. They were quite right to sue the newspapers you and other supporters  claimed.  I just wonder if freedom of the press  is a valid argument for you on this thread as it shows hypocrisy is alive and well.

 No cite just go to the thread and read!