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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Robittybob1 on January 29, 2018, 09:18:06 AM
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I have set up a You Caring appeal for funding a trip to Praia da Luz. There are several issues related to the McCann story that I would like to research myself.
Can the forum please make as many possible suggestion for things they would like checked out so I maximise the benefit of travelling there.
I haven't got a target year yet, I can't imagine it will be this year but who knows.
What would you like me to check out for you?
List of items to check as of today.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9111.msg444427#msg444427
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I have set up a Go Fund Me appeal for funding a trip to Praia da Luz. There are several issues related to the McCann story that I would like to research myself.
Can the forum please make as many possible suggestion for things they would like checked out so I maximise the benefit of travelling there.
I haven't got a target year yet, I can't imagine it will be this year but who knows.
What would you like me to check out for you?
You can read about my plan so far. https://www.youcaring.com/madeleinemccann-1080869?utm_source=mandrill&utm_medium=email&utm_content=organizer&utm_campaign=fundraiser-live
I think you will be lucky to get 5 euros never mind 5000
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Well i wouldn't mind donating , just to show the slamming door scenario - impossible imo.
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Then donate
Rob claims to have studied the case for many hours so he must be an expert
He might want to check... Before he books his flight... That the, apartment is for rent... As I understand... It isnt
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I have set up a Go Fund Me appeal for funding a trip to Praia da Luz. There are several issues related to the McCann story that I would like to research myself.
Can the forum please make as many possible suggestion for things they would like checked out so I maximise the benefit of travelling there.
I haven't got a target year yet, I can't imagine it will be this year but who knows.
What would you like me to check out for you?
You can read about my plan so far. https://www.youcaring.com/madeleinemccann-1080869?utm_source=mandrill&utm_medium=email&utm_content=organizer&utm_campaign=fundraiser-live
You won't be able to hire out 5a if that is what you meant Rob, it has been sold.
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Sorry Davel didn't see your post.
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I think you will be lucky to get 5 euros never mind 5000
Well obviously I hope you are wrong. I'm sure if we plan it right we should be able to make it work.
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Well i wouldn't mind donating , just to show the slamming door scenario - impossible imo.
Well then do it get the ball rolling. I should also make the pledge that if I don't complete the trip in say 3 years I will refund any donations. Well that will depend on the functionality of the "You Caring" site letting me know where all the donations came from. I have a feeling it won't give out that sort of detail as per the "You Caring" site, but here you have PMs and many talk to me already via email any way.
I think the idea of having the feed back from that trip a rather important feature as well.
In fact if the funds do eventuate and it exceeds 5,000 Euro If anyone else would like to join me they would be most welcome, (well I would consider that, as I have just asked my NZ helper and she seemed reluctant (too many pets etc)).
I'm getting excited by the idea, we could solve some of these basic issues. OK weather patterns are a bit more difficult to organise. So my stay there could be extended, but we'll play it by ear.
I was being conservative when saying 5,000 Euros as really I will be paying the majority of the expenses out of my own pocket, especially if the stay becomes extended to get the right wind conditions.
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Then donate
Rob claims to have studied the case for many hours so he must be an expert
He might want to check... Before he books his flight... That the, apartment is for rent... As I understand... It isnt
If it is privately owned that might still work, it will be a matter of contacting the current owner. If there are people living there we may be able to bunk in or just go around there on the times we need to and stay in other accommodation.
So if anyone know the current owner's details that would be most helpful.
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Well then do it get the ball rolling. I should also make the pledge that if I don't complete the trip in say 3 years I will refund any donations. Well that will depend on the functionality of the Go Fund me site letting me know where all the donations came from. I have a feeling it won't give out that sort of detail as per the Go Fund Me site, but here you have PMs and many talk to me already via email any way.
I think the idea of having the feed back from that trip a rather important feature as well.
In fact if the funds do eventuate and it exceeds 5,000 Euro If anyone else would like to join me they would be most welcome, (well I would consider that, as I have just asked my NZ helper and she seemed reluctant (too many pets etc).
I'm getting excited by the idea, we could solve some of these basic issues. OK weather patterns are a bit more difficult to organise. so my stay there could be extended, but we'll play it by ear.
I was being conservative when saying 5,000 Euros as really I will be paying the majority of the expenses out of my own pocket, especially if the stay becomes extended to get the right wind conditions.
I think you have totally miscalculated the level of support you might get and also not realised the, apartment is no longer to let
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Then donate
Rob claims to have studied the case for many hours so he must be an expert
He might want to check... Before he books his flight... That the, apartment is for rent... As I understand... It isnt
I am getting the same feeling myself. I'm actually feeling like an expert but I don't focus on things like the fund, or Amaral's past or the Metodo 3 issues (that Angelo brings up). I'm focusing on the McCanns and their friends ATM and the way Ocean Club business operated.
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I think you have totally miscalculated the level of support you might get and also not realised the, apartment is no longer to let
As long as it hasn't been bulldozed down there are ways around it. Come on be a bit more optimistic. Can't you think of some aspect you might want checked out by a team. Exact measurement of distances etc.
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As long as it hasn't been bulldozed down there are ways around it. Come on be a bit more optimistic. Can't you think of some aspect you might want checked out by a team. Exact measurement of distances etc.
Afaiac the parents are ruled out.. So you are totally in the wrong direction
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Afaiac the parents are ruled out.. So you are totally in the wrong direction
I'm not looking at solving the case from this visit but to look at certain issues that are not explained. Whooshing curtains, slamming doors, locking the apartment, main bedroom window security.
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So far the "YouCaring" site that runs the fund raiser has been sending out all these suggestions on how to fund raise. Like sharing on Facebook, and sending messages on Twitter. Things that I'm not too hot on so it has thrown me into a whole new aspect of things to consider. It feels like hard work.
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I have set up a Go Fund Me appeal for funding a trip to Praia da Luz. There are several issues related to the McCann story that I would like to research myself.
Can the forum please make as many possible suggestion for things they would like checked out so I maximise the benefit of travelling there.
I haven't got a target year yet, I can't imagine it will be this year but who knows.
What would you like me to check out for you?
You can read about my plan so far. https://www.youcaring.com/madeleinemccann-1080869?utm_source=mandrill&utm_medium=email&utm_content=organizer&utm_campaign=fundraiser-live
You should be applauded for setting up this initiative Rob but I am not convinced that a crowd fund page is the answer. That said, there are indeed many things which do need checked out in and around Praia da Luz and especially additional photos taken etc... I had hoped to have found the time to research some of this myself on the ground but unfortunately other priorities took precedence.
You should probably create a list at the bottom of your opening post.
We will promote this campaign on twitter and facebook for you which should help.
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I have set up a Go Fund Me appeal for funding a trip to Praia da Luz. There are several issues related to the McCann story that I would like to research myself.
Can the forum please make as many possible suggestion for things they would like checked out so I maximise the benefit of travelling there.
I haven't got a target year yet, I can't imagine it will be this year but who knows.
What would you like me to check out for you?
You can read about my plan so far. https://www.youcaring.com/madeleinemccann-1080869?utm_source=mandrill&utm_medium=email&utm_content=organizer&utm_campaign=fundraiser-live
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What made you decide to go down this particular road. Robbie?
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What made you decide to go down this particular road. Robbie?
I did a similar thing in a case in NZ. To understand some things a good "on site investigation" is a good idea. Problem with Portugal is the 24 hours of flight each way so it won't be something I could do monthly like I did here which was just a short trip to the Marlborough Sounds.
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I did a similar thing in a case in NZ. To understand somethings a good on site investigation is a good idea. Problem with Portugal is the 24 hours of flight each way so it won't be something I could do monthly like I did here just a short trip to the Marlborough Sounds.
We have two very professional police forces investigating... What makes you think you can do better
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I'm not looking at solving the case from this visit but to look at certain issues that are not explained. Whooshing curtains, slamming doors, locking the apartment, main bedroom window security.
Rob,
I don't quite see what you'd be able to do.
- The place has been sold. Whether or not the new owners would welcome yet another armchair detective poking around the flat remains to be seen.
- You wouldn't be able to check out anyone getting in or out of the kids' bedroom:
(http://c8.alamy.com/comp/J307E8/apartment-5a-in-praia-da-luz-in-portugal-where-madeline-mccann-went-J307E8.jpg)
- You won't be able to check the lighting as the street lights were replaced shortly after she disappeared, there's a large projector on the building that wasn't there before and the big tree that could have given cover has been chopped down.
- If the new owners put up a wrought-iron thing over the window, they may well have also changed the lock to the main door while they were at it.
- You can test a slamming door and whooshing curtains without leaving home or not going very far to a friend's house. I very much doubt that the PJ hasn't already checked that out.
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It would be useful to know how the front door locks really work, even if 5a locks have been changed the others probably haven't. Unfortunately, as Carana has pointed out, the new lighting will prevent some observations.
One thing you could do is ask around the locals to see what they really think about the case as we've heard so many conflicting stories. A chat with Malinka or even Murat would be a bonus.
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We have two very professional police forces investigating... What makes you think you can do better
I'm rather persistent I suppose.
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I'm rather persistent I suppose.
I don't know if I'm allowed to reveal this but I believe a substantial reward is to be offered for any information which leads to Maddie's recovery, a prosecution in the case or both.
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I don't know if I'm allowed to reveal this but I believe a substantial reward is to be offered for any information which leads to Maddie's recovery, a prosecution in the case or both.
That sounds like a desperate measure after so many years of professional sleuthing.
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I don't know if I'm allowed to reveal this but I believe a substantial reward is to be offered for any information which leads to Maddie's recovery, a prosecution in the case or both.
Good news
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I don't know if I'm allowed to reveal this but I believe a substantial reward is to be offered for any information which leads to Maddie's recovery, a prosecution in the case or both.
In the end I don't really trust anyone, so if I discovered anything it just has to go into the public domain. For years people have been giving information which has been largely ignored IMO.
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In the end I don't really trust anyone, so if I discovered anything it just has to go into the public domain. For years people have been giving information which has been largely ignored IMO.
Do you have any example of things that have been ignored.... They may have been ignored for very good reason
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Do you have any example of things that have been ignored.... They may have been ignored for very good reason
There was that commentary about Oakley International ignoring their help line, and I recall people complaining about the PJ doing the same (the two sisters Annie Wiltshire and Jayne Jensen).
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I don't know if I'm allowed to reveal this but I believe a substantial reward is to be offered for any information which leads to Maddie's recovery, a prosecution in the case or both.
By who ?
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Same reward as before I suppose.
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I don't know if I'm allowed to reveal this but I believe a substantial reward is to be offered for any information which leads to Maddie's recovery, a prosecution in the case or both.
There was certainly a reward in the event of finding her alive, but that was ages ago. I don't recall any other reward.
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it was a "You Caring" fundraiser account rather than "Go Fund Me"
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You should be applauded for setting up this initiative Rob but I am not convinced that a crowd fund page is the answer. That said, there are indeed many things which do need checked out in and around Praia da Luz and especially additional photos taken etc... I had hoped to have found the time to research some of this myself on the ground but unfortunately other priorities took precedence.
You should probably create a list at the bottom of your opening post.
We will promote this campaign on twitter and facebook for you which should help.
By "we" do you mean UK Justice forum or you personally. Does the UK Justice forum have a Facebook account?
I think it does here is the URL. https://www.facebook.com/UkJusticeForum/
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By "we" do you mean UK Justice forum or you personally. Does the UK Justice forum have a Facebook account?
I think it does here is the URL. https://www.facebook.com/UkJusticeForum/
How's it going... How much so far
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How's it going... How much so far
Not that many donations as yet (zero) Where is yours? Have you tried to make a donation yet? I know I had to set up a PayPal account, so is that the same for contributors? Do donors also have to have a PayPal account? Could you check that for me please?
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Not that many donations as yet (zero) Where is yours? Have you tried to make a donation yet? I know I had to set up a PayPal account, so is that the same for contributors? Do donors also have to have a PayPal account? Could you check that for me please?
You aim to solve the McCann case but you can't work out how your own funding appeal works..... I haven't contributed because, I think your trip is totally pointless
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You aim to solve the McCann case but you can't work out how your own funding appeal works..... I haven't contributed because, I think your trip is totally pointless
There has been a lot to learn. There is a lot of planning to consider before I head out there.
Have you ever made a donation to an appeal like this?
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There has been a lot to learn. There is a lot of planning to consider before I head out there.
Have you ever made a donation to an appeal like this?
As I said I dont see what you can add to the investigation...sil has lived in pdl and has come up with nothing..all your questions seem to be checking the parents account of things ..SY and the PJ will have done that...if you want to go its up to you but I dont see why others would want to fund you
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As I said I dont see what you can add to the investigation...sil has lived in pdl and has come up with nothing..all your questions seem to be checking the parents account of things ..SY and the PJ will have done that...if you want to go its up to you but I dont see why others would want to fund you
That is factually incorrect.
Note I don't feel the need to wrap everything in IMO, unlike some.
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That is factually incorrect.
Note I don't feel the need to wrap everything in IMO, unlike some.
Well I hope if the trip goes ahead, in face of massive opposition on some sites, I hope to meet up with you SIL.
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"What are you doing to find Madeleine McCann?
https://www.youcaring.com/madeleinemccann-1080869"
The trip from NZ to Praia da Luz and staying there will be over 10,000 NZ dollars. In other words even if I get some donations most of it will be out of my pocket too!
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That is factually incorrect.
Note I don't feel the need to wrap everything in IMO, unlike some.
You don't seem to understand why some wrap everything in... IMO... It's not because we are unsure of our facts.
I haven't seen anything useful you have added to the understanding of the case despite your links to pdl
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I noticed tonight that our facebook page post promoting your initiative has been very active and has attracted a huge amount of comments from across the spectrum, most of which have been constructive. The good thing about facebook being that the majority of the posters are identifiable. Over 440 people reached is a great start!
Tip: It usually takes one or two initial donations to get these things started Rob.
https://www.facebook.com/UkJusticeForum/posts/1661232903915647
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You aim to solve the McCann case but you can't work out how your own funding appeal works..... I haven't contributed because, I think your trip is totally pointless
Actually Davel, I learned a huge amount when I visited Portugal tp see for myself.
A great deal of what I found was in the Porto region though, because I was mainly looking at what happened to Madeleine afterwards .... and it led me to Porto.
Rob has an enquiring mind and is very thorough. He might find some new things. Like I did.
Stuff that no-one had even thought of before nor even now.
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I noticed tonight that our facebook page post promoting your initiative has been very active and has attracted a huge amount of comments from across the spectrum, most of which have been constructive. The good thing about facebook being that the majority of the posters are identifiable. Over 440 people reached is a great start!
Tip: It usually takes one or two initial donations to get these things started Rob.
https://www.facebook.com/UkJusticeForum/posts/1661232903915647
The first donation has been transferred. That changes the nature of the exercise now. There is no way of pulling out now, it has to be done!
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The first donation has been transferred. That changes the nature of the exercise now. There is no way of pulling out now, it has to be done!
I notice you are coming in for a bit of stick from some on Facebook but I wouldn't worry about it. What they don't understand is that your trip is multi aspect and involves much more than just searching for clues.
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I notice you are coming in for a bit of stick from some on Facebook but I wouldn't worry about it. What they don't understand is that your trip is multi aspect and involves much more than just searching for clues.
It was a hard day.
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It was a hard day.
I think you should add a meeting with Goncalo Amaral as one of your aims.
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I think you should add a meeting with Goncalo Amaral as one of your aims.
Does he speak English? I'd imagine he is too important to talk to me. I've tried to find him in the Facebook community, he is there but I'm never accepted. Maybe if I speak with Pedro do Carmo I might get an introduction to Amaral.
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Does he speak English? I'd imagine he is too important to talk to me. I've tried to find him in the Facebook community, he is there but I'm never accepted. Maybe if I speak with Pedro do Carmo I might get an introduction to Amaral.
He isn't hard to find and as he is retired I'm sure he'd be glad to chat with you but you will need someone who is bilingual. I'm sure one of our Portuguese-based members could help you there. There are several others who come to mind should be on your target list too.
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As far as Amaral goes I'd like to know his current theory. John would you like to make a new post on the FB account to see what the FB community think of your idea of meeting Goncalo Amaral?
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The You Caring page has been pulled by You Caring, fortunately the donations are in the Paypal account. I will set up an alternative if I find something better. Thanks for the assistance so far.
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letter from You Caring
"Hi Robert,
My sincerest apologies for the inconvenience.
After reviewing your fundraiser, our Trust and Safety team has determined that it is not a good fit for our website.
Please note, per section of our terms of service: "YouCaring reserves the right, and has sole discretion, to remove, screen or edit any User Content posted or stored on the Site at any time and for any reason without notice."
We've closed your campaign and any funds raised thus far will be accessible in your payment processing account. We apologize for the inconvenience.
If you have any other questions or concerns, please direct them to the email sent from our Trust & Safety team.
Thank you for your understanding.
All my best,
Ivy"
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Whats your paln to raise money now
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Whats your paln to raise money now
There are other sites. It is a matter of getting over my disappointment and doing it. Whoever closed me down really hit me hard today.
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There are other sites. It is a matter of getting over my disappointment and doing it. Whoever closed me down really hit me hard today.
Didn't YouCaring state that your project was incompatible with their own ideals or words to that affect. Clearly you have been targeted and YouCaring are more interested in protecting their own reputation than they are interested in the fate of a single child who disappeared ten years ago.
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There are other sites. It is a matter of getting over my disappointment and doing it. Whoever closed me down really hit me hard today.
Chin up.
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Didn't YouCaring state that your project was incompatible with their own ideals or words to that affect. Clearly you have been targeted and YouCaring are more interested in protecting their own reputation than they are interested in the fate of a single child who disappeared ten years ago.
They are the owners and in the end they did have a point, there were some clauses that could be applied and I just had to accept it. There must have been pressure though.
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Didn't YouCaring state that your project was incompatible with their own ideals or words to that affect. Clearly you have been targeted and YouCaring are more interested in protecting their own reputation than they are interested in the fate of a single child who disappeared ten years ago.
Nail on the head although I'm not sure you intended that way,its but one child in a sea of many,perhaps they don't see how an armchair detective can be compatable with their site,all imo of course.
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They are the owners and in the end they did have point, there was some clause that could be applied and I just had to accept it. There must have been pressure though.
Hard to see where your project fitted in.
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Nail on the head although I'm not sure you intended that way,its but one child in a sea of many,perhaps they don't see how an armchair detective can be compatable with their site,all imo of course.
They won't divulge what went on behind the scenes but I'm no armchair detective. It was going to be hands on.
Last murder case I handled I rang the cops and I said to them, "I think I have found a grave site", and they replied "well you had better dig it up then". I have never heard words like that before. That was an incredible moment.
So I got a spade and dug it up. Found bones, animal bones.
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Hard to see where your project fitted in.
I put it down to mission - as in Mission Impossible.
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They are the owners and in the end they did have point, there was some clause that could be applied and I just had to accept it. There must have been pressure though.
IMO, it could have been the mccann team.
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IMO, it could have been the mccann team.
No it wasn't them as they had not deleted any of my posts off their official Facebook site. (I was surprised actually but I have tidied it up now.)
It was either Abscam members or the HiDeHo crew. that has been where the major push back came from.
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I don't take sides, I'm looking for the truth of what happened. I think the forum comes out on the winning side with John's backing. He has his theories and I have mine and we are not that far apart.
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I don't take sides, I'm looking for the truth of what happened. I think the forum comes out on the winning side with John's backing. He has his theories and I have mine and we are not that far apart.
I would think no other funding site will accept you for similar reasons...are you not able to work to raise funds
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I would think no other funding site will accept you for similar reasons...are you not able to work to raise funds
I don't know about that there are some where people made pledges but the entire target has to be achieved or you get nothing. To prepare myself with an extensive list of things to check out could in itself be another year's work. Things don't just spring to mind. Physical things that need checking aren't well known.
I could get a job but I am really focused on this task actually.
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do you realistically think your journey will ever be made...and if so how will it be funded
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do you realistically think your journey will ever be made...and if so how will it be funded
We were taught at school "if it doesn't succeed first time, try, try and try again". (But if only that was true for spelling and typing!)
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We were taught at school "if it doesn't succeed first time, try, try and try again". (But if only that was true for spelling and typing!)
but you need to have some sort of plan to raise the funds...do you have one
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How did those people raise the money for Amaral's Defence Fund?
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How did those people raise the money for Amaral's Defence Fund?
That was done through GoFundMe, which is not available to NZ citizens.
https://support.gofundme.com/hc/en-gb/articles/203604044-Is-my-country-supported-
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That was done through GoFundMe, which is not available to NZ citizens.
https://support.gofundme.com/hc/en-gb/articles/203604044-Is-my-country-supported-
Thanks, Misty.
Anything like that in New Zealand?
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Thanks, Misty.
Anything like that in New Zealand?
https://idealog.co.nz/venture/2014/02/ultimate-guide-crowdfunding-new-zealand
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but you need to have some sort of plan to raise the funds...do you have one
I used the plan available via You Caring. They take you step by step. Otherwise no plan as such.
What would you do?
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That was done through GoFundMe, which is not available to NZ citizens.
https://support.gofundme.com/hc/en-gb/articles/203604044-Is-my-country-supported-
I'd be surprised if NZ is not lumped together with Australia, but I have not actually checked.
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I used the plan available via You Caring. They take you step by step. Otherwise no plan as such.
What would you do?
i think your journey has no point and dont see why others would want to fund you.....If I wanted to go I would fund it myself
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https://idealog.co.nz/venture/2014/02/ultimate-guide-crowdfunding-new-zealand
The coordination of it all is the difficult bit, contacts, websites, videos, and the fundraising. Last week was hectic, and in all honesty it will be a while before I bite that bullet again.
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I'd be surprised if NZ is not lumped together with Australia, but I have not actually checked.
That would be like lumping Portugal together with France - it doesn't work that way, Rob.
Seriously - don't waste yours or other people's money on a pointless exercise. The professionals have been there, are maybe still there & know everything that needs to be known about 5A & its surroundings. The residents do not need yet another person invading their space.
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That would be like lumping Portugal together with France - it doesn't work that way, Rob.
Seriously - don't waste yours or other people's money on a pointless exercise. The professionals have been there, are maybe still there & know everything that needs to be known about 5A & its surroundings. The residents do not need yet another person invading their space.
Go fund me is out as they haven't heard of NZ.
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No it wasn't them as they had not deleted any of my posts off their official Facebook site. (I was surprised actually but I have tidied it up now.)
It was either Abscam members or the HiDeHo crew. that has been where the major push back came from.
I can think of others who might have done it too.
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SIL, you will show him that view that you claim Smithman would have had as he exited The Staff Quarters (SQ), wont you? The view all the way down Rua d'Escola, past the dog leg junction and down several flights of steps to the Dolphin Restaurant.
The view that you claim, in your blog, convinced you that Smithman was a bonafide father with his child, because you say that if he was a baddie, he wouldn't have started the walk down if he saw people coming up the road
BTW,
Did you factor into your thoughts that a baddie would have tried to keep in the dark rather than the light. To do that he had to slink along the front of the Staff quarters because of the street lamp approx 20 metres opposite. From the SQ itself he had absolutely no view down to see anyone coming up due to the next building jutting out
To have any chance of seeing down to the Dolphin as you claim, because of this and the dog leg in the roads, Smithman had to cross across to the lampost opposite the Staff Quarters. This was almost 20 metres in the wrong direction.
Now if Smithman was exiting the S.Q, and up to no good, would he head straight for the lamp, or would he slink down in the dark? Once started on his route he had the shock of seeing some old fogies coming up, but carried on, IMO, hoping that no-one would remember him.
Please remember that the positions that we all know that the groups of the Smith family were stationed, were not the positions that they were in at the start of Tannermans walk from the SQ. They were all moving and most probably both Martin and Aoifes group were out of sight on the steps when Tannerman set out.
This is just a theory and i have worked it out from GE.
Please check it out Rob.
Am in a rush. Not back today. Use GE and chew it over pls.
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If Robbity ever makes it out to Luz, I will be happy to show him the bits that count, both in 2007 and 2018.
I doubt very much that rob will ever make it to Luz.... And IMO it would be utterly pointless. AS I have, said before I have seen nothing from you that has, added anything to the, case
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I doubt very much that rob will ever make it to Luz.... And IMO it would be utterly pointless. AS I have, said before I have seen nothing from you that has, added anything to the, case
I have been on sillier missions than this one. Personally I am looking forward to meeting SiL. Thanks you've just reminded me of another thing I want to do there.
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I have been on sillier missions than this one. Personally I am looking forward to meeting SiL. Thanks you've just reminded me of another thing I want to do there.
Im sure you have been on sillier missions than this one ..its easy to believe...so when do you expect to be going.
Im sure you will get on well with sil...you have a lot in common
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the forum might not know but I'm adding new reasons to go to PdL all the time to the OP (post#1) and I have found 24 reasons already.
Im sure you have been on sillier missions than this one ..its easy to believe...so when do you expect to be going.
Im sure you will get on well with sil...you have a lot in common
Well I hope you are right. SiL was busy this year, so suggested next year, but I might prefer this year while the SY investigation is still active.
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the forum might not know but I'm adding new reasons to go to PdL all the time to the OP (post#1) and I have found 24 reasons already.
Well I hope you are right. SiL was busy this year, so suggested next year, but I might prefer this year while the SY investigation is still active.
so if you go this year how will you fund it..sil is busy the whole year...sounds a bit strange
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so if you go this year how will you fund it..sil is busy the whole year...sounds a bit strange
I mean this year in May. I want to coincide my light measurements to May 3rd. 2007
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I mean this year in May. I want to coincide my light measurements to May 3rd. 2007
so you now have the funds to go in may this year?
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so you now have the funds to go in may this year?
Around here everyone is always hoping to win the lotto before then.
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So we can discuss this unlikely visit for another 15 months? What a treat for us all. *&^^&
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So we can discuss this unlikely visit for another 15 months? What a treat for us all. *&^^&
Robs proposed visit might prove some light relief....he is annoying some people I have little respect for so now he gets my full support... I might even join him in Luz for a few days
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Robs proposed visit might prove some light relief....he is annoying some people I have little respect for so now he gets my full support... I might even join him in Luz for a few days
You could pay his expenses too, if it's such a good idea.
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Robs proposed visit might prove some light relief....he is annoying some people I have little respect for so now he gets my full support... I might even join him in Luz for a few days
I might join you too. I am particularly interested in photographing places which haven't already been properly covered and checking out a few things which as yet remain confused. I believe a meeting with several individuals resident in Portigal and involved in the case could also be accomplished.
This might not solve the case but it will certainly give us something to talk about for the next ten years.
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Robs proposed visit might prove some light relief....he is annoying some people I have little respect for so now he gets my full support... I might even join him in Luz for a few days
Gawd, I will have to get myself fit if you are all going ... and come too.
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Gawd, I will have to get myself fit if you are all going ... and come too.
if we take measurements with several people present there will be no further argument hopefully. It would certainly help if we all chipped in on some expenses. I tell you what the beginning of May will come around quick enough.
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if we take measurements with several people present there will be no further argument hopefully. It would certainly help if we all chipped in on some expenses. I tell you what the beginning of May will come around quick enough.
it is so easy to measure on Google Earth that I dont really think any outside measurements need doing physically on site.
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it is so easy to measure on Google Earth that I dont really think any outside measurements need doing physically on site.
we might just take one and check it with Google Earth. If it is close enough we won't do anymore.
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I think you should add a meeting with Goncalo Amaral as one of your aims.
A meeting like that would have to be kept totally secret. It was so controversial to most people.
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You could pay his expenses too, if it's such a good idea.
I noticed Davel never replied to your wonderful suggestion! (Just joking Davel but all the same I hope you do have some sense of humour.)
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I might join you too. I am particularly interested in photographing places which haven't already been properly covered and checking out a few things which as yet remain confused. I believe a meeting with several individuals resident in Portigal and involved in the case could also be accomplished.
This might not solve the case but it will certainly give us something to talk about for the next ten years.
You might have better connections than I have so I'll leave that up to you, but it would definitely make the trip worthwhile.
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Gawd, I will have to get myself fit if you are all going ... and come too.
Might as well SY aren't bothered it seems unless some one can prove otherwise.
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This sounds like a good idea to me. I just wish that I could come. Actually, I probably could, if I can afford it. How much is it going to cost?
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This sounds like a good idea to me. I just wish that I could come. Actually, I probably could, if I can afford it. How much is it going to cost?
The travel agent said 10,000 NZD for me to travel and stay for a month in PdL . But I'm thinking if enough of us got together we could hire an apartment, do the checks we need to run in a much quicker time. I have no real idea of prices at the moment but I will make some enquires or SiL could price up a unit for us. My biggest expense was going to be accommodation. Then living expenses, and then travel. We could cook our own meals if the unit has a kitchen and share accommodation costs etc.
Imagine if we could meet up with GA or RM could be quite an experience. How would you get there? Would you drive?
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The travel agent said 10,000 NZD for me to travel and stay for a month in PdL . But I'm thinking if enough of us got together we could hire an apartment, do the checks we need to run in a much quicker time. I have no real idea of prices at the moment but I will make some enquires or SiL could price up a unit for us. My biggest expense was going to be accommodation. Then living expenses, and then travel. We could cook our own meals if the unit has a kitchen and share accommodation costs etc.
Imagine if we could meet up with GA or RM could be quite an experience. How would you get there? Would you drive?
No to driving. I would have to take the train. But I could get a Pensioner's Ticket. That is the main problem. Managing it on my Pension.
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No to driving. I would have to take the train. But I could get a Pensioner's Ticket. That is the main problem. Managing it on my Pension.
Is that a nice journey? How long would that take on a train?
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Is that a nice journey? How long would that take on a train?
I shudder to think. The cheaper French Trains aren't all that good. But I'm all for an adventure, so that wouldn't bother me all that much, armed with my own supplies of Gin etcetera.
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...and the point of this thread is?
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...and the point of this thread is?
If you read the posts it's, quite clear
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You might have better connections than I have so I'll leave that up to you, but it would definitely make the trip worthwhile.
UGH ! Oh soz, just my feelings bubbling thru !
Bet this is wiped like lightening @)(++(*
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Might as well SY aren't bothered it seems unless some one can prove otherwise.
Oh my main theory isn't in PdL; it is where Madeleine was taken afterwards and who set it all up.
Anyway, must be patient and see if I have worked that out properly
I haven't a clue, any more than most of you, who might have done the physical lifting and abduction in PdL itself ... and been paid for it.
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UGH ! Oh soz, just my feelings bubbling thru !
Bet this is wiped like lightening @)(++(*
I didn't mean we'd sit in awe Sadie, but we could question him on some points. John could anyway.
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I didn't mean we'd sit in awe Sadie, but we could question him on some points. John could anyway.
Tbh, I dont want to get near him. No way. ^*&&
but you are welcome 8(0(*
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Tbh, I dont want to get near him. No way. ^*&&
but you are welcome 8(0(*
I can't imagine it happening even if the UK Justice forum is one of the best discussion points on the McCann case.