UK Justice Forum 🇬🇧
Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Padgates staff on January 08, 2013, 10:39:25 AM
-
How sucessful was Sheila as a model? Did she earn enough money to live off from it? How long did it last?
I seem to remember hearing in a documentary it said that initially she was sucessful and then it fizzled out-or words to that effect.
-
Im not sure, Jo.
Sheila was no doubt beautiful, her career in modelling started in the 70's. she did a modelling shoot in Hong Kong.
Maybe work dwindled after she gave birth to the twins? I dont know.
-
Can I ask also-what motive did the other family members have to set Jeremy up? What would they gain from it (aside the farm which I know was wirth money and Osea?
-
Can I ask also-what motive did the other family members have to set Jeremy up? What would they gain from it (aside the farm which I know was wirth money and Osea?
Nevill didn't own White House farm Jo, he was only a tenant as are the Eaton's now.
-
I didn't know that david, thanks for that.
-
Sheila was reasonable successful early on in her career as a model but marriage and being a mother to twins at such a young age soon took its toll. Her mental health began to fail as did her modelling career.
-
Is Sheila buried with Daniel and Nicholas?
-
Is Sheila buried with Daniel and Nicholas?
Yes. The gravedigger actually climbed down into the grave to place her ashes on the boys' coffin, at their heads, to the annoyance of the undertaker.
-
Is Sheila buried with Daniel and Nicholas?
Yes. The gravedigger actually climbed down into the grave to place her ashes on the boys' coffin, at their heads, to the annoyance of the undertaker.
Are you sure Pugs. Oh b....r I should not question, but I am unsure.
I know June And Ralph were buried, and Sheila was cremated. Where did you find this info.
Hope you are well by the way.
-
Is Sheila buried with Daniel and Nicholas?
Yes. The gravedigger actually climbed down into the grave to place her ashes on the boys' coffin, at their heads, to the annoyance of the undertaker.
Are you sure Pugs. Oh b....r I should not question, but I am unsure.
I know June And Ralph were buried, and Sheila was cremated. Where did you find this info.
Hope you are well by the way.
Hallo, Cliff. I'm fine, hope you are too. And your dogs and chickens!! It's out of Colin's book.
-
Is Sheila buried with Daniel and Nicholas?
Yes. The gravedigger actually climbed down into the grave to place her ashes on the boys' coffin, at their heads, to the annoyance of the undertaker.
Are you sure Pugs. Oh b....r I should not question, but I am unsure.
I know June And Ralph were buried, and Sheila was cremated. Where did you find this info.
Hope you are well by the way.
Hallo, Cliff. I'm fine, hope you are too. And your dogs and chickens!! It's out of Colin's book.
You've reminded me of something I had to check. Ralph and June were cremated too, and Bamber ordered that they were all to be cremated with their rings on, and apparently rubbed his hands with glee about it. But Basil Cock saved them and could give Colin Sheila's wedding ring.
-
Is Sheila buried with Daniel and Nicholas?
Yes. The gravedigger actually climbed down into the grave to place her ashes on the boys' coffin, at their heads, to the annoyance of the undertaker.
Are you sure Pugs. Oh b....r I should not question, but I am unsure.
I know June And Ralph were buried, and Sheila was cremated. Where did you find this info.
Hope you are well by the way.
Hallo, Cliff. I'm fine, hope you are too. And your dogs and chickens!! It's out of Colin's book.
You've reminded me of something I had to check. Ralph and June were cremated too, and Bamber ordered that they were all to be cremated with their rings on, and apparently rubbed his hands with glee about it. But Basil Cock saved them and could give Colin Sheila's wedding ring.
Little one is ill. 26 quid to have him looked at. He is worth it, Boiling a chicken at the mo.. If it don't go in his mouth
it could be a tad painful. I lie I would nrver hurt him, soft as xxxx ,
-
Is Sheila buried with Daniel and Nicholas?
Yes. The gravedigger actually climbed down into the grave to place her ashes on the boys' coffin, at their heads, to the annoyance of the undertaker.
Are you sure Pugs. Oh b....r I should not question, but I am unsure.
I know June And Ralph were buried, and Sheila was cremated. Where did you find this info.
Hope you are well by the way.
Hallo, Cliff. I'm fine, hope you are too. And your dogs and chickens!! It's out of Colin's book.
You've reminded me of something I had to check. Ralph and June were cremated too, and Bamber ordered that they were all to be cremated with their rings on, and apparently rubbed his hands with glee about it. But Basil Cock saved them and could give Colin Sheila's wedding ring.
Colin thought Jeremy's glee at the thought of disposing of these is because police sometimes use psychics to try to crack murder cases, the psychics also like to use a personal item like clothing or jewellery to get close to the person in question. So disposing of these would mean less chance of a clairvoyant finding out what had happened. I'm not sure I believe that but why else would Jeremy be rubbing his hands with glee at the prospect of this?
-
The more I hear about Jeremy Bamber the bigger a monster he becomes. I really must get round to reading Colin's book. 8((()*/
-
Is Sheila buried with Daniel and Nicholas?
Yes. The gravedigger actually climbed down into the grave to place her ashes on the boys' coffin, at their heads, to the annoyance of the undertaker.
Are you sure Pugs. Oh b....r I should not question, but I am unsure.
I know June And Ralph were buried, and Sheila was cremated. Where did you find this info.
Hope you are well by the way.
Hallo, Cliff. I'm fine, hope you are too. And your dogs and chickens!! It's out of Colin's book.
You've reminded me of something I had to check. Ralph and June were cremated too, and Bamber ordered that they were all to be cremated with their rings on, and apparently rubbed his hands with glee about it. But Basil Cock saved them and could give Colin Sheila's wedding ring.
Colin thought Jeremy's glee at the thought of disposing of these is because police sometimes use psychics to try to crack murder cases, the psychics also like to use a personal item like clothing or jewellery to get close to the person in question. So disposing of these would mean less chance of a clairvoyant finding out what had happened. I'm not sure I believe that but why else would Jeremy be rubbing his hands with glee at the prospect of this?
That's right - psychometry. It suprised me, too.
-
How sucessful was Sheila as a model? Did she earn enough money to live off from it? How long did it last?
I seem to remember hearing in a documentary it said that initially she was sucessful and then it fizzled out-or words to that effect.
well she was no Linda Lusardi
-
How sucessful was Sheila as a model? Did she earn enough money to live off from it? How long did it last?
I seem to remember hearing in a documentary it said that initially she was sucessful and then it fizzled out-or words to that effect.
well she was no Linda Lusardi
I don't think she was cut out for glamour modelling. And she was far too attractive.
(Having said that, I met Sam Fox last week, I was amazed at how pretty she still is. And she's really tiny. She had her wife with her.)
-
wife ? so sam wears the trousers in the relationship then
-
wife ? so sam wears the trousers in the relationship then
We girls always do.
-
wife ? so sam wears the trousers in the relationship then
We girls always do.
Yes we do, hooray for us!!
I'm watching "Elizabeth R" on youtube. She's very you, Outlook. She kicked some serious ar$e.
-
wife ? so sam wears the trousers in the relationship then
We girls always do.
Yes we do, hooray for us!!
I'm watching "Elizabeth R" on youtube. She's very you, Outlook. She kicked some serious ar$e.
Tch. Mary's just croaked. It wasn't a baby, it was wind. 8(8-))
-
wife ? so sam wears the trousers in the relationship then
We girls always do.
Yes we do, hooray for us!!
I'm watching "Elizabeth R" on youtube. She's very you, Outlook. She kicked some serious ar$e.
Tch. Mary's just croaked. It wasn't a baby, it was wind. 8(8-))
I love spotting the actors who can really ride (Robert Hardy) and the ones who've had 3 lessons (everyone else. They're the ones who pat the horses smack on their noses.)
-
Oh well, nighty night, everyone. Another day spent wondering if the picture or the phone logs would turn up. Alas, no. But Misty is "doing her business" on Saddleworth Moor. So that's alright, then.
-
wife ? so sam wears the trousers in the relationship then
We girls always do.
Yes we do, hooray for us!!
I'm watching "Elizabeth R" on youtube. She's very you, Outlook. She kicked some serious ar$e.
Yes Elizabeth I was very good queen at the right time. Very much like Catherine The Great of Russia and Empress CiXi of China and of course more recently your Mrs Thatcher.
I remember a story that Princess Anne is alledged to have told. Story goes: "First time Mrs Thatcher came to The Prime Minister's Audience there was a shocking breach of protocol, She forgot to curtsy." "What Mrs Thatcher did not curtsy?" "No Mummy."
-
wife ? so sam wears the trousers in the relationship then
We girls always do.
Yes we do, hooray for us!!
I'm watching "Elizabeth R" on youtube. She's very you, Outlook. She kicked some serious ar$e.
Tch. Mary's just croaked. It wasn't a baby, it was wind. 8(8-))
I love spotting the actors who can really ride (Robert Hardy) and the ones who've had 3 lessons (everyone else. They're the ones who pat the horses smack on their noses.)
Yes and Robert Hardy is also a superb archer.
-
Oh well, nighty night, everyone. Another day spent wondering if the picture or the phone logs would turn up. Alas, no. But Misty is "doing her business" on Saddleworth Moor. So that's alright, then.
I think we and Jeremy will have a very long wait for that.
"Misty?" As in "Play Misty for me?"
I thought ENIGMA had already found everything up there?
-
wife ? so sam wears the trousers in the relationship then
We girls always do.
Yes we do, hooray for us!!
I'm watching "Elizabeth R" on youtube. She's very you, Outlook. She kicked some serious ar$e.
Tch. Mary's just croaked. It wasn't a baby, it was wind. 8(8-))
I love spotting the actors who can really ride (Robert Hardy) and the ones who've had 3 lessons (everyone else. They're the ones who pat the horses smack on their noses.)
Yes and Robert Hardy is also a superb archer.
Sigh. I fancied him something rotten when he was Siegfried Farnon.
-
Oh well, nighty night, everyone. Another day spent wondering if the picture or the phone logs would turn up. Alas, no. But Misty is "doing her business" on Saddleworth Moor. So that's alright, then.
I think we and Jeremy will have a very long wait for that.
"Misty?" As in "Play Misty for me?"
I thought ENIGMA had already found everything up there?
Ooh, TOP film!!
No, this is Misty the superdog. She smells in the dark.
(All of mine do that.)
-
Sigh. I fancied him something rotten when he was Siegfried Farnon.
Eighty-seven years old now... with cracked ribs, sorry to say. 8(8-))
-
Sigh. I fancied him something rotten when he was Siegfried Farnon.
Eighty-seven years old now... with cracked ribs, sorry to say. 8(8-))
That's right - Edward Fox has replaced him in "The Audience" hasn't he? Paul Ritter plays John Major (I like him, too.)
-
I thought ENIGMA had already found everything up there?
ENIGMA was disposed of by mistake, I'm afraid... well, it didn't come up with the goods anyway, only B.S.! ....,
(it's an attachment Outlook, so you don't have to look if you're about to have your tea). 8(0(*
-
Sigh. I fancied him something rotten when he was Siegfried Farnon.
Eighty-seven years old now... with cracked ribs, sorry to say. 8(8-))
That's right - Edward Fox has replaced him in "The Audience" hasn't he? Paul Ritter plays John Major (I like him, too.)
Our village drama group are doing Calendar Girls in May. Oh Lord. I think the youngest is 72. 8(8-))
-
Oh well, nighty night, everyone. Another day spent wondering if the picture or the phone logs would turn up. Alas, no. But Misty is "doing her business" on Saddleworth Moor. So that's alright, then.
I think we and Jeremy will have a very long wait for that.
"Misty?" As in "Play Misty for me?"
I thought ENIGMA had already found everything up there?
Ooh, TOP film!!
No, this is Misty the superdog. She smells in the dark.
(All of mine do that.)
Oh I love Clint. I just watched "Gran Torino." Superbly racist and Clint lays down his life for his Chinese Neighbors.
The other one I like is "Magnum Force" particularly the part where this Asian girl (Adele Yoshioka) goes up to Clint and says "Just what does a girl have to do to get in your bed?" I always think "Yay, you go Gurl."
So now I know "Misty, the Superdog."
"I say, my dog has no nose."
"How does it smell?"
"Awful."
-
Sigh. I fancied him something rotten when he was Siegfried Farnon.
Eighty-seven years old now... with cracked ribs, sorry to say. 8(8-))
That's right - Edward Fox has replaced him in "The Audience" hasn't he? Paul Ritter plays John Major (I like him, too.)
Our village drama group are doing Calendar Girls in May. Oh Lord. I think the youngest is 72. 8(8-))
Oh hope for me yet then?
-
I thought ENIGMA had already found everything up there?
ENIGMA was disposed of by mistake, I'm afraid... well, it didn't come up with the goods anyway, only B.S.! ....,
(it's an attachment Outlook, so you don't have to look if you're about to have your tea). 8(0(*
Oh poor Enigma. Still farmers are practical people. Why spoil a good gate?
It is like one of those maths questions:
"If it takes 30 minutes for one woman to saw the head off a cow, how long will it take 30 men?"
Answer: "A damn sight longer."
-
In Colin Caffel's book he mentions that Sheila got a particularly lucrative modelling job in Japan. However, it either initiated or exacerbated her mental health problems and she didn't have a particularly good time there. She was treated at best like a piece of meat and at worst as a prostitute-she was expected to sleep with anyone she worked for and was not well thought of when she understandably refused to do so. I don't think she was particularly successful after this episode.
-
In Colin Caffel's book he mentions that Sheila got a particularly lucrative modelling job in Japan. However, it either initiated or exacerbated her mental health problems and she didn't have a particularly good time there. She was treated at best like a piece of meat and at worst as a prostitute-she was expected to sleep with anyone she worked for and was not well thought of when she understandably refused to do so. I don't think she was particularly successful after this episode.
Poor Sheila. I can well imagine that happening because western girls got a bad reputation in Asia some years back. They were viewed as very promiscuous. A bit like the reputation Asian girls now have in the west.
-
My Mum did some modelling in the 1980's. She was told she looked like Linda Lusardi. Unfortunately I take after my Dad in the looks department 8)><(. Anyway I've discussed this with Mum and she said that at the time of the tragedy she thought it was all media hype about Sheila being a model in terms of making a living out of it and that had she have undertaken any successful shoots the photos would have surfaced in the aftermath. It appears sadly there were some nude photos in existence that Sheila later regretted of which Jeremy recovered and attempted to exploit the memory of his late sister by selling to the Sun 8(8-))
-
The more I hear about Jeremy Bamber the bigger a monster he becomes. I really must get round to reading Colin's book. 8((()*/
I would like to read Colin's book too and will have a scout round to see if I can find a copy. Any recommendations for other books on the case?
-
Theyre all a good read in their own way. But CC's is very good.
-
Theyre all a good read in their own way. But CC's is very good.
Thanks, Andrea. Going to have a scout round the net later.
-
@ Rachel
Unfortunately most if not all I think are oop, but you'll find these on amazon or ebay, although at ridiculous prices unless you bide your time. The book by Scott Lomax I avoided because it's the only one endorsed by the Jeremy Bamber Official site, and I believe is biased whereas the others at least try to remain balanced....
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1031.msg29686#msg29686 (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1031.msg29686#msg29686)
-
The more I hear about Jeremy Bamber the bigger a monster he becomes. I really must get round to reading Colin's book. 8((()*/
I would like to read Colin's book too and will have a scout round to see if I can find a copy. Any recommendations for other books on the case?
Rachel, there are many excellent books on the topic. Claire Powell wrote an excellent account of the murders in her book 'Murder at White House Farm. The Story of Jeremy Bamber' Colin Caffell's 'In Search of Rainbow's End' is also excellent for the insight it gives and for being the only book written by a family member about what happened. However, a word of caution. The Scott Lomax book Jeremy Bamber; Evil Beyond Belief' May be worth a read if you want to understand Bamber's side of the story. Personally I found it to be nothing more than 'Bamber is innocent' propaganda. It is probably one of the most biased, one-sided and unbalanced accounts I have ever read on any subject (That is really saying something) Lomax, uses contentious issues in the case as though they were fact and uses them as a starting point for his statements, so wherever it goes after that, you can guarentee that it will always arrive at a favourable view to Bamber's 'innocence'
For example, Lomax states that "How, therefore, could the police have seen someone moving within the farmhouse at 03:45 and later, at 05:25, could they have been conversing with someone inside the building? Whilst he was outside White House Farm with two police officers a figure was seen moving in the main bedroom. At trial the figure was dismissed as a shadow or trick of light, but now documentary evidence shows the officer who made the sighting recorded seeing ‘an unidentified male.’ Whether it was Sheila Caffell or some other individual who was seen moving within the building, and who later spoke to the police, remains unknown but what is certain is that Sheila was alive long after 03:00 and therefore Bamber could not have been responsible for her death or the deaths of anyone else inside the building and that is a fact"
Need I say more? The man has so convinced himself of Bamber's innocence that he is prepared to use theoretical arguments as though they were fact. This is the mark of a man who is incapable of looking at this case with anywhere near the objectivity it requires. I would advise you to give this piece of biased nonsense a very wide birth. However, if you are looking for a fair, balanced and factual account of this case, my recommendation is, Roger Wilkes' book 'Blood Relations - Jeremy Bamber and the White House Farm Murders' It is infinitely superior and very balanced and views the case objectively. Read and enjoy Rachel! 8((()*/
-
Hi Ian , good to see you back. 8((()*/
It seems I saved a bit of cash then! 8@??)(
Looks like you timed your return to coincide with the the 'McCann Tornado' that just hit the forum... a needed and interesting change though, a breath of fresh air to blow away the dusty Bamber cobwebs, even though it is mind-boggling to keep up.
-
The more I hear about Jeremy Bamber the bigger a monster he becomes. I really must get round to reading Colin's book. 8((()*/
I would like to read Colin's book too and will have a scout round to see if I can find a copy. Any recommendations for other books on the case?
Rachel, there are many excellent books on the topic. Claire Powell wrote an excellent account of the murders in her book 'Murder at White House Farm. The Story of Jeremy Bamber' Colin Caffell's 'In Search of Rainbow's End' is also excellent for the insight it gives and for being the only book written by a family member about what happened. However, a word of caution. The Scott Lomax book Jeremy Bamber; Evil Beyond Belief' May be worth a read if you want to understand Bamber's side of the story. Personally I found it to be nothing more than 'Bamber is innocent' propaganda. It is probably one of the most biased, one-sided and unbalanced accounts I have ever read on any subject (That is really saying something) Lomax, uses contentious issues in the case as though they were fact and uses them as a starting point for his statements, so wherever it goes after that, you can guarentee that it will always arrive at a favourable view to Bamber's 'innocence'
For example, Lomax states that "How, therefore, could the police have seen someone moving within the farmhouse at 03:45 and later, at 05:25, could they have been conversing with someone inside the building? Whilst he was outside White House Farm with two police officers a figure was seen moving in the main bedroom. At trial the figure was dismissed as a shadow or trick of light, but now documentary evidence shows the officer who made the sighting recorded seeing ‘an unidentified male.’ Whether it was Sheila Caffell or some other individual who was seen moving within the building, and who later spoke to the police, remains unknown but what is certain is that Sheila was alive long after 03:00 and therefore Bamber could not have been responsible for her death or the deaths of anyone else inside the building and that is a fact"
Need I say more? The man has so convinced himself of Bamber's innocence that he is prepared to use theoretical arguments as though they were fact. This is the mark of a man who is incapable of looking at this case with anywhere near the objectivity it requires. I would advise you to give this piece of biased nonsense a very wide birth. However, if you are looking for a fair, balanced and factual account of this case, my recommendation is, Roger Wilkes' book 'Blood Relations - Jeremy Bamber and the White House Farm Murders' It is infinitely superior and very balanced and views the case objectively. Read and enjoy Rachel! 8((()*/
Starryian, that's great - cheers! Some good pointers of books to look out for. Sounds like there is some good reading in the Roger Wilkes book, and I would imagine that Colin's book is very moving, being written from a family perspective. Will have a scout around! I was 18 when the murders happened, and although I was shocked and sickened I think as I have got older I have realised more and more just what Bamber robbed the whole family of with his actions. By now, Sheila could have been a granny, Nevill and June enjoying a well-earned retirement, the boys with families and careers. Sorry for going off on a tangent, it was such a horrible tragedy.
-
I believe Sheila was successful enough as a model for a while but her relationships, her mental health deterioration and the birth of the twins put pay to it in the end.