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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Carana on April 13, 2018, 01:11:23 PM

Title: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Carana on April 13, 2018, 01:11:23 PM
Not sure Cristovão is available at the moment...
(http://cdn4.sol.pt/fotos/2015/3/7/401748.jpg)
https://sol.sapo.pt/artigo/126558/pereira-cristovao-aderiu-aos-templarios-e-ajudou-sem-abrigo

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Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on April 13, 2018, 01:31:00 PM
Not sure Cristovão is available at the moment...
(http://cdn4.sol.pt/fotos/2015/3/7/401748.jpg)
https://sol.sapo.pt/artigo/126558/pereira-cristovao-aderiu-aos-templarios-e-ajudou-sem-abrigo

What about his fellow knights? are they all in prison?
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: sadie on April 15, 2018, 12:16:01 AM
Not sure Cristovão is available at the moment...
(http://cdn4.sol.pt/fotos/2015/3/7/401748.jpg)
https://sol.sapo.pt/artigo/126558/pereira-cristovao-aderiu-aos-templarios-e-ajudou-sem-abrigo


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Interesting that.  Cristovao a Knight of Malta / of ?Cristo.  I wonder if he was at the big Knights of Malta Ball at Guimaraes Castle hosted by The Duke and Duchess of Braganza

Amaral is also a knight of Malta.  He was at the Ball.  Also Paul Symington.   And at least one of Amarals major supporters;  I think it was Moita Flores ; is he the bearded one, ex PJ ?

And I am not sure but I think that Anne Guedes was there.  I have a picture of her somewhere, but cannot find it at the moment, but I think it was her.

And several posters on here come from a Knight of Malta / of St John bloodlines ... so presumably Knights Templar backgrounds. 

They are a brotherhood.
Amaral is from a Templar bloodline.  The name is mentioned in the battle of Rhodes, where Amaral was a traitor to the Templars.  He is also a bloodline relative of The Braganzas as i have shown before on here.  They are obviously Knights of Malta to be holding the Charity Ball at their castle in Guimaraes (near Porto).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMWbxYjcNBs

The Duke has a moustache, the Duchess is wearing a rather snazzy outfit in sky blue.

@ 0.17 - 0.18.    Is the atractive vivacious woman in white, Anne Guedes?
@ 0.35 ish .. the man who bows his head is Paul Symington, I believe.  (Templar if the Symington cross pattee is anything to go by.  Now, I suspect based on some evidence that I cant share, Knights of Malta or St John)
@ 0.38 ish Goncalo Amaral
@ 1.21 ish.  Is the bearded bespectacled man Moita Flores (Amarals big supporter)?


Do any of you recognise anyone else to do with the Madeleine case?


Guimaraes is a delightful place Rob.  Medieval and picturesque.  Loads of history.  Do go there if you can.  Same for Angelo.  Near to Porto (25 miles C.Flies) and almost central to several of the Northern abductions and sightings
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Brietta on April 15, 2018, 02:22:11 AM
Interesting that.  Cristovao a Knight of Malta.  I wonder if he was at the big Knights of Malta Ball at Guimaraes Castle hosted by The Duke and Duchess of Braganza

Amaral is also a knight of Malta.  He was at the Ball.  Also Paul Symington.   And at least one of Amarals major supporters;  I think it was Moita Flores ; is he the bearded one, ex PJ ?

And I am not sure but I think that Anne Guedes was there.  I have a picture of her somewhere, but cannot find it at the moment, but I think it was her.

And several posters on here come from a Knight of Malta / of St John bloodline ... so presumably Knights Templar backgrounds. 

They are a brotherhood.

Interestingly from the link provided by Carana it is noted that Cristovão wrote five books.  Three about the missing children Rui Pedro, Joana and Madeleine.  One on national football and one "a novel about the obscure and corrupt side of PJ."
https://sol.sapo.pt/artigo/126558/pereira-cristovao-aderiu-aos-templarios-e-ajudou-sem-abrigo
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: slartibartfast on April 15, 2018, 07:44:00 AM
Interesting that.  Cristovao a Knight of Malta.  I wonder if he was at the big Knights of Malta Ball at Guimaraes Castle hosted by The Duke and Duchess of Braganza

Amaral is also a knight of Malta.  He was at the Ball.  Also Paul Symington.   And at least one of Amarals major supporters;  I think it was Moita Flores ; is he the bearded one, ex PJ ?

And I am not sure but I think that Anne Guedes was there.  I have a picture of her somewhere, but cannot find it at the moment, but I think it was her.

And several posters on here come from a Knight of Malta / of St John bloodline ... so presumably Knights Templar backgrounds. 

They are a brotherhood.

Knights of Malta have Black Cloaks with White Maltese Cross...

Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Brietta on April 15, 2018, 09:00:08 AM
Knights of Malta have Black Cloaks with White Maltese Cross...

Maybe Sadie knows more about freemasonry than you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_(Freemasonry) maybe that is something Robitty could check out during his visit to Luz.
One and the same but different degrees, perhaps?
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: barrier on April 15, 2018, 09:23:16 AM
Maybe Sadie knows more about freemasonry than you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_(Freemasonry) maybe that is something Robitty could check out during his visit to Luz.


Maybe he'll strike lucky and find the holy grail as well,for the Knights are supposed to the guardian's are they not,new book for Dan Brown perchance.
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: slartibartfast on April 15, 2018, 10:17:54 AM
Maybe Sadie knows more about freemasonry than you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_(Freemasonry) maybe that is something Robitty could check out during his visit to Luz.
One and the same but different degrees, perhaps?

Maybe Sadie should be more careful and not confuse Knights of Malta with Knights Templar. Maybe she could try and distinguish between the different variants...Catholic, Orders of Chivalry, Masonic and Dodgy groups set up by people with agendas. I don’t suppose she will do that though.
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Carana on April 15, 2018, 12:11:45 PM
Interestingly from the link provided by Carana it is noted that Cristovão wrote five books.  Three about the missing children Rui Pedro, Joana and Madeleine.  One on national football and one "a novel about the obscure and corrupt side of PJ."
https://sol.sapo.pt/artigo/126558/pereira-cristovao-aderiu-aos-templarios-e-ajudou-sem-abrigo

This "novel" is intriguing...

September 2008.

A respectable PJ inspector by day yet a serial killer with a hidden past of robbery, violence, murders, and corruption by night.

https://www.bertrand.pt/livro/uns-feios-outros-porcos-todos-maus-paulo-pereira-cristovao/219930
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Carana on April 15, 2018, 12:27:30 PM
Interesting that.  Cristovao a Knight of Malta.  I wonder if he was at the big Knights of Malta Ball at Guimaraes Castle hosted by The Duke and Duchess of Braganza

Amaral is also a knight of Malta.  He was at the Ball.  Also Paul Symington.   And at least one of Amarals major supporters;  I think it was Moita Flores ; is he the bearded one, ex PJ ?

And I am not sure but I think that Anne Guedes was there.  I have a picture of her somewhere, but cannot find it at the moment, but I think it was her.

And several posters on here come from a Knight of Malta / of St John bloodlines ... so presumably Knights Templar backgrounds. 

They are a brotherhood.

The article doesn't say anything about Malta. Just that he was made a member of some Order of the Kights Templar, according to the article, in order to gain contacts amongst people of influence (conjecture, I presume). It also says he got kicked out 2 months later.

It was Amaral who got invited to the fundraising ball in Malta.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMWbxYjcNBs
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: faithlilly on April 15, 2018, 12:28:07 PM
This "novel" is intriguing...

September 2008.

A respectable PJ inspector by day yet a serial killer with a hidden past of robbery, violence, murders, and corruption by night.

https://www.bertrand.pt/livro/uns-feios-outros-porcos-todos-maus-paulo-pereira-cristovao/219930

Why the word novel in inverted commas ?
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Carana on April 15, 2018, 12:37:13 PM
Why the word novel in inverted commas ?

I haven't read it, so I don't know if it's yet another of his occasional-fact-inspired books or not. His book about Joana was apparently a "novel", but some have quoted extracts as if everything in it were true... Ditto for the one about Madeleine at the time.

Both of those had a few half-truths wrapped up in the fictional narrative.
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Brietta on April 15, 2018, 01:34:59 PM
Maybe Sadie should be more careful and not confuse Knights of Malta with Knights Templar. Maybe she could try and distinguish between the different variants...Catholic, Orders of Chivalry, Masonic and Dodgy groups set up by people with agendas. I don’t suppose she will do that though.

Why not keep it on topic and open a thread to discuss it?  In the meantime ... I was under the impression this one concerned Robitty and what he might do if he makes a trip to Luz.
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Brietta on April 15, 2018, 02:01:03 PM
This "novel" is intriguing...

September 2008.

A respectable PJ inspector by day yet a serial killer with a hidden past of robbery, violence, murders, and corruption by night.

https://www.bertrand.pt/livro/uns-feios-outros-porcos-todos-maus-paulo-pereira-cristovao/219930

Quite chilling in light of subsequent developments ~ in my opinion.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ChkjImh2LZA/Sh_LdgReeiI/AAAAAAAADaE/dlRzYtGykhQ/s320/ppc1.jpg)

SYNOPSIS
For the first time in Portugal, the novel tells us the life and crimes of the most corrupt police inspector. The frenzied and insane day-to-day of a respectful law enforcement officer, who is both a dangerous and calculating serial killer . Discover the life of Maurício Fagundes.

Mauricio Fagundes, respected inspector of the Criminal Police, is after all anything but respectable. Even a colleague does not suspect what is really happening in his life: robbery, corruption, rape, murders without remorse.

In this novel, Paulo Pereira Cristóvão unveils, without language filters, an infinitely cruel and psychopathic character, but not at all unrealistic.

So imagine the obscure meanders of a crime underworld in Portugal.

EXCERPTS
"Cum. Another day of work on that f******g cop. I'm sick of lickers, who, besides licking all the race of director who enters the house, have become snitches, envious, pretentious clean and buried in so much s***t that almost can not open the eyes ...
I'm in a homicide brigade that is so sui generis that it deserved to make a series about it, damn it. The Criminal Police is the must of the police, but my brigade is the best one ever invented on this planet ... »
https://www.bertrand.pt/livro/uns-feios-outros-porcos-todos-maus-paulo-pereira-cristovao/219930




In the synopsis to 'A estrela de Madeleine' it is said ... "With a clinical and professional look, Pereira Cristóvão, aware that the case still remains a secret of justice, tries, in this book, to answer the doubts that have always persisted and presents a new vision," https://www.wook.pt/livro/a-estrela-de-madeleine-paulo-pereira-cristovao/202091
Surely that 'new vision' might give Robitty something fresh to get his teeth into during his sojourn in Luz ... or even bedtime reading?
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: sadie on April 15, 2018, 07:04:47 PM
Maybe Sadie knows more about freemasonry than you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_(Freemasonry) maybe that is something Robitty could check out during his visit to Luz.
One and the same but different degrees, perhaps?

For Templar history, Tomar is the place to visit, Rob., then carry on up to Porto and check out some stuff there. 

The best way to stay in Tomar would be at the Hotel Templarus, it seeths with Templar things and is a very gracious hotel to stay at.  Expensive, but not overly so, it has its own helipad in the garden ... so gawd knows who might be staying there with you !  fabulous breakfasts

The town of Tomar is wrapped all around the Templars, because the massive Ordem de Christo monastry is there ... and many of the pavements are paved with Templar crosses.  Seems that in 1307 many fleeing Templars settled there.



As slarti says, it seems that Cristovao isn't actually a Knight of Malta per se, but they are all from the same stable.  Knights of Malta = Knights of St John = Ordem de Cristo = knights of Columbus = Jesuits = Knights Hospitalier etc.. 
Rather like the Co-op:
Co-op funeral Dept = Co-op Flower shop = Co-op store Birmingham = Co-op store Worcester = Co-op holiday store etc.  All from the same stable.

Cristovao was almost certainly a member of the Knights of Christo.  His cross pattee is not a Jesuit one.  He has been banished.



It is generally thought that they all stem from the Knights Templar
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Robittybob1 on April 15, 2018, 07:59:49 PM
Looks like I've got a bit of study ahead of me!
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on April 15, 2018, 10:36:16 PM
Looks like I've got a bit of study ahead of me!

Don't waste your time with the 20th/21st century pop conspiracy theory crap.
Read this, it is acknowledged as one of the best on the topic despite it being early 19th century.
"The History of the Knights Templars, the Temple Church, and the Temple
by Charles G. Addison"
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: sadie on April 15, 2018, 11:55:49 PM
Don't waste your time with the 20th/21st century pop conspiracy theory crap.
Read this, it is acknowledged as one of the best on the topic despite it being early 19th century.
"The History of the Knights Templars, the Temple Church, and the Temple
by Charles G. Addison"

That gets very mixed reviews.  Do you speak latin Rob?
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: faithlilly on April 16, 2018, 03:12:31 PM
I haven't read it, so I don't know if it's yet another of his occasional-fact-inspired books or not. His book about Joana was apparently a "novel", but some have quoted extracts as if everything in it were true... Ditto for the one about Madeleine at the time.

Both of those had a few half-truths wrapped up in the fictional narrative.

So they are novels, no inverted commas needed.
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on April 16, 2018, 03:36:06 PM
That gets very mixed reviews.  Do you speak latin Rob?

As do most books.
Here's a starter:
The Eclectic Review, Volume 12; Volume 76

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=rcJKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA189&lpg=PA189&dq=reviews+of+%22The+History+of+the+Knights+Templars,+the+Temple+Church,+and+the+Temple+by+Charles+G.+Addison%22&source=bl&ots=fxOV8Ott7z&sig=Wb5cTD_UzYkn6disjdZbJR-Uyrw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjHrsHR_L7aAhVBIcAKHYEHBU4Q6AEITDAH#v=onepage&q=reviews%20of%20%22The%20History%20of%20the%20Knights%20Templars%2C%20the%20Temple%20Church%2C%20and%20the%20Temple%20by%20Charles%20G.%20Addison%22&f=false

 Lulu!
http://www.lulu.com/gb/en/shop/charles-g-addison/the-history-of-the-knights-templars-the-temple-church-and-the-temple/ebook/product-20648607.html
In this straighforward history of the Knights Templars, Charles Addison details the rise of the Templars to become the first powerful, multinational economic force. In the process of being entrusted by the Church and States of Europe to be the spearhead of the crusades, The Templars gained immense wealth and influence, even though individual Templars took a vow of poverty. Jerusalem was won and lost several times by the crusaders during the 12th and 13th centuries, and Addison recounts eye witness accounts from both the Crusaders and their Moslem opponents, to give a well rounded picture of those turbulent times. After the loss of the Holy Land, the Templars quickly declined. Accused of heresy and bizarre secret rituals, the Templars were ultimately deemed enemies of the Church, and burned at the stake. Modern popular myths continue the tale of the Templars, as the foundation of many of the secret societies today.
The Athenæum
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fEQxAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=reviews+of+%22The+History+of+the+Knights+Templars,+the+Temple+Church,+and+the+Temple+by+Charles+G.+Addison%22&source=bl&ots=Ve5trJM_Zc&sig=A2crSw29MCReJ-WWZcdzC_7Jw3o&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjA5a-a_77aAhUnBcAKHSu-Ah44ChDoAQgzMAM#v=onepage&q=reviews%20of%20%22The%20History%20of%20the%20Knights%20Templars%2C%20the%20Temple%20Church%2C%20and%20the%20Temple%20by%20Charles%20G.%20Addison%22&f=false

The plus with Addison's book is that he leaves the reader to draw conclusions.


Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Robittybob1 on April 16, 2018, 09:08:47 PM
That gets very mixed reviews.  Do you speak latin Rob?
No I don't.
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on April 17, 2018, 12:10:59 AM
This "novel" is intriguing...

September 2008.

A respectable PJ inspector by day yet a serial killer with a hidden past of robbery, violence, murders, and corruption by night.

https://www.bertrand.pt/livro/uns-feios-outros-porcos-todos-maus-paulo-pereira-cristovao/219930

That has a familiar ring to it.
Hollywood has done it in one guise or another several times in my life time.

http://www.ktemplar.herts.sch.uk/A-Brief-History-of-The-Knights-Templar-School/

When I were a boy it were Baldock Secondary Modern. Then that nice Mr Crosland invented Incomprehensibles when B.S.M (?!) became one[an Incomprehensible that is] and changed its name to The Knights Templar School insidious lot that they are training young KTs on the QT like no one would notice; the KTs were the founders of Baldock so I guess they had a legit interest. In that area The Urban Saints [formerly The Crusaders of whom I was one] were "big" too, not to forget Jack O'Legs who was even bigger and had his own caff on the old Great North Road atop his very own hill just south of Baldock [which used to boast 22 pubs].
I am sure there is a link to The Maddie Case amongst that lot somewhere....... *%87
I'd put money on a descendant of Jack rather than the KTs though [local knowledge and all that]
Best not bad mouth the KTs in North Herts. When we were youths we tried to fill Jack's Well with the remains of those who had... ?>)()<

Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: sadie on April 17, 2018, 12:52:02 AM
No I don't.
Nor me.  The book has latin bits in it and from reports, it sounds heavy reading.

But, if you are interested, there are lots of reports about The Templars and the Knights of Malta and St John on the internet.
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: slartibartfast on April 17, 2018, 07:48:07 AM
Which Knights Templar did the OP have in mind?
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: G-Unit on April 17, 2018, 08:45:06 AM
Which Knights Templar did the OP have in mind?

Whichever, surely it's just myth and rumour? Where's the evidence?
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: slartibartfast on April 17, 2018, 08:47:53 AM
Whichever, surely it's just myth and rumour? Where's the evidence?

None just more chaff. IMO
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: sadie on April 17, 2018, 03:50:10 PM
That has a familiar ring to it.
Hollywood has done it in one guise or another several times in my life time.

http://www.ktemplar.herts.sch.uk/A-Brief-History-of-The-Knights-Templar-School/

When I were a boy it were Baldock Secondary Modern. Then that nice Mr Crosland invented Incomprehensibles when B.S.M (?!) became one[an Incomprehensible that is] and changed its name to The Knights Templar School insidious lot that they are training young KTs on the QT like no one would notice; the KTs were the founders of Baldock so I guess they had a legit interest. In that area The Urban Saints [formerly The Crusaders of whom I was one] were "big" too, not to forget Jack O'Legs who was even bigger and had his own caff on the old Great North Road atop his very own hill just south of Baldock [which used to boast 22 pubs].
I am sure there is a link to The Maddie Case amongst that lot somewhere....... *%87
I'd put money on a descendant of Jack rather than the KTs though [local knowledge and all that]
Best not bad mouth the KTs in North Herts. When we were youths we tried to fill Jack's Well with the remains of those who had... ?>)()<
Does that mean you are from a Knights Templar bloodline?

Let me guess, are you also from a Knights of Malta background, or one of its off shoots?

No opinions, just asking questions
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on April 17, 2018, 07:55:11 PM
Does that mean you are from a Knights Templar bloodline?

Let me guess, are you also from a Knights of Malta background, or one of its off shoots?

No opinions, just asking questions

No! my ancestry lies in Skåne County the southernmost bit of Sweden.
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on April 18, 2018, 12:01:53 PM
No! my ancestry lies in Skåne County the southernmost bit of Sweden.


It is a real coincidence that you are on this forum and you are a templar  man, this could be circumstantial but...... hahahahaha  ok asking out right.. ALICE as an evil Templar gang member and being on this thread was it you what dun it? I conclude

alice= templar= amaral= portugual= MBM disappearing... ^*&&

Its all making sense now... (&^& (&^& (&^& (&^&
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Brietta on April 18, 2018, 05:06:53 PM
(https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/planetarij/5522102/196612/196612_600.jpg)
Snip
Just as the first two kings of Jerusalem were "greatly obligated" to the Order of Sion for their positions, so prince Afonso was said to be "greatly obligated to members of the Order [of the Knights Templar]." This relationship became all too clear in 1129 when the king-in-waiting reissued the charter for the castle of Souré, -- the one his father had donated to the Templars before they were thought to exist. Afonso's wording on the reconstituted charter to the Knights Templar unequivocally reveals why he was so "greatly obligated" to the order: "I make this donation, not by force or by persuasion, but for the love of God, and for the good of my soul, and of my parents, and by the cordial love that I have for you, and because within your Brotherhood and in all your works I am a Brother."

The Templars had placed one of their own on the throne of Portugal, and more to the point, Afonso was also the nephew of their main benefactor and spiritual compass, Bernard de Clairvaux.
http://www.viewzone.com/templar/templar.html



It would appear that the Templars were in with the bricks ... hung around for centuries ... and still provide an attraction for social climbers in modern day Portugal.

One wonders exactly what influence they are still seen to hold and how it is exercised.

Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on April 18, 2018, 07:41:13 PM
(https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/planetarij/5522102/196612/196612_600.jpg)
Snip
Just as the first two kings of Jerusalem were "greatly obligated" to the Order of Sion for their positions, so prince Afonso was said to be "greatly obligated to members of the Order [of the Knights Templar]." This relationship became all too clear in 1129 when the king-in-waiting reissued the charter for the castle of Souré, -- the one his father had donated to the Templars before they were thought to exist. Afonso's wording on the reconstituted charter to the Knights Templar unequivocally reveals why he was so "greatly obligated" to the order: "I make this donation, not by force or by persuasion, but for the love of God, and for the good of my soul, and of my parents, and by the cordial love that I have for you, and because within your Brotherhood and in all your works I am a Brother."

The Templars had placed one of their own on the throne of Portugal, and more to the point, Afonso was also the nephew of their main benefactor and spiritual compass, Bernard de Clairvaux.
http://www.viewzone.com/templar/templar.html



It would appear that the Templars were in with the bricks ... hung around for centuries ... and still provide an attraction for social climbers in modern day Portugal.

One wonders exactly what influence they are still seen to hold and how it is exercised.

It all rather falls flat on its face if you subscribe to the "other theory" that the Knights Templar held allegiance to God and The Grand Master but not to nation states. Which seems to have been what p***"d off King Philip of France apart from wanting their lands and money.. Edward Longshanks to his credit told Pope Clement to sit on a sharp stick unfortunately Longshanks son did not have the bottle of his old man.

A bit about the author you linked:

About Freddy Silva

Biography

For over fifteen years Freddy Silva has been an author, and independent researcher of ancient systems of knowledge, alternative history and earth mysteries. He has been a permanent feature in the international lecture circuit since 2003, with notable keynote presentations at the International Science and Consciousness Conference, the International Society For The Study Of Subtle Energies & Energy Medicine, and the Association for Research and Enlightenment. He has also appeared numerous times on national and international radio shows. His other published works include The Divine Blueprint: Temples, Places, and the Global Plan to Shape the Human Soul; and Secrets In The Fields: The Science and Mysticism of Crop Circles, a critically acclaimed international bestseller on this controversial topic. He is also a documentary film-maker, with the titles Stairways To Heaven: The Practical Magic of Sacred Space, and Templemaking. He contributes regularly to several magazines, and conducts tours in Britain, Malta and Egypt.


Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on April 19, 2018, 09:40:02 AM

It is a real coincidence that you are on this forum and you are a templar  man, this could be circumstantial but...... hahahahaha  ok asking out right.. ALICE as an evil Templar gang member and being on this thread was it you what dun it? I conclude

alice= templar= amaral= portugual= MBM disappearing... ^*&&

Its all making sense now... (&^& (&^& (&^& (&^&

You could write a better theory for the late Sir Roger Moore being involved somewhere.
Sir Walter Scott=>Roger Moore =>Ivanhoe(TV series)=> Knights Templar=>Ashby de la Zouch*=> a mere 27 klicks west of Rothley. [Taking the precedent already set by supporters that 60 klicks is on the doorstep].

Leslie Chatteris=> The Saint aka Simon Templar => Roger Moore.

* curious the pronunciation of Zouch in this instance is Zoosh yet Zouch and Zouch Mills on the R. Soar just down the road is pron. Zotch.... *%87. Any road oop c'était Roger des Sourcils qui l'a fait... @)(++(*
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Robittybob1 on April 19, 2018, 12:15:36 PM

You could write a better theory for the late Sir Roger Moore being involved somewhere.
Sir Walter Scott=>Roger Moore =>Ivanhoe(TV series)=> Knights Templar=>Ashby de la Zouch*=> a mere 27 klicks west of Rothley. [Taking the precedent already set by supporters that 60 klicks is on the doorstep].

Leslie Chatteris=> The Saint aka Simon Templar => Roger Moore.

* curious the pronunciation of Zouch in this instance is Zoosh yet Zouch and Zouch Mills on the R. Soar just down the road is pron. Zotch.... *%87. Any road oop c'était Roger des Sourcils qui l'a fait... @)(++(*
That's proof if you ever needed it!
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Carana on April 19, 2018, 03:52:19 PM
Just for the record... I didn't start this thread. It was a tongue-in-cheek comment to someone else that became a new thread.

ETA: And with a title that I didn't choose.
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: faithlilly on April 19, 2018, 05:34:58 PM
Just for the record... I didn't start this thread. It was a tongue-in-cheek comment to someone else that became a new thread.

ETA: And with a title that I didn't choose.

I have the feeling we’re running out of things to discuss Carana.
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: jassi on April 19, 2018, 05:51:42 PM
I have the feeling we’re running out of things to discuss Carana.

We can always bring the Templar dogs out  for discussion. http://siriusdraws.tumblr.com/post/135298812715/codex-entry-the-templar-dogs

https://www.gofundme.com/x3rt78

Could Keela and Eddie be of the same bloodline ?
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on April 19, 2018, 07:44:35 PM
I have the feeling we’re running out of things to discuss Carana.

The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon [a.ka. The Templars] have been a happy hunting ground for authors with/looking for conspiracy theories for decades. Mostly the theories surround where they, The Templars, came from and what they morphed into. The bit "where they actually were" [1119 to 1320 odd] is fairly well chronicled so not much room for mischief there.

Warrior Monks?; we could have a go at implicating the Shaolins or Brother Cadfael, that might be fun. I am happy to stick with The Knights Templar just for the craic.... ?{)(**
Title: Re: Have the Knights Templars any connection to the Maddie case?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on April 19, 2018, 10:54:44 PM
We can always bring the Templar dogs out  for discussion. http://siriusdraws.tumblr.com/post/135298812715/codex-entry-the-templar-dogs

https://www.gofundme.com/x3rt78

Could Keela and Eddie be of the same bloodline ?

hahahahahaha!  love it.


Stop being obnoxious about them dawgs... ?>)()< one was a blood hound- and picked up a scent 8**8:/: 8)--))

Carana we know it was just a made up thread. but it does ake for good fun... Roger Moore = Simon Templar... too funny!!!