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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on April 27, 2018, 11:25:32 AM
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http://www.maldonandburnhamstandard.co.uk/news/16178432.Convicted_killer_asks_for_evidence_to_be_disclosed_to_allow_for_third_appeal/
This is something JB and his most fervent supporters have been beating the drum about for a long time. The court will not be remotely interested in paper trails and theories of two silencers, albeit JB et al could well be right ie there may well have been two silencers sent to FSS. The court will be concerned with the one silencer exhibited at trial. At 2002 appeal MT QC attempted to appeal against the hand swabs on the basis they had been swapped and this was simply batted away (see CoA doc points 175 - 213 http://www.maldonandburnhamstandard.co.uk/news/16178432.Convicted_killer_asks_for_evidence_to_be_disclosed_to_allow_for_third_appeal/)
When John Hayward, biologist responsible for the blood stained exhibits, was sworn in at trial the trial judge asked Rivlin the following:
MR JUSTICE DRAKE: Now, Mr Rivlin, the witness is going to be asked about a large number of items which later on he is going to tell us about, is there any dispute that they were transmitted properly to him, or where they were found?
MR RIVLIN: No, my Lord.
MR JUSTICE DRAKE: Then we need not bother with the transmission, and the jury can assume the formalities have been gone through.
I'v been unable to upload John Hayward's testimony to this post but it's in the link here:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7845.msg379422#msg379422
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http://www.maldonandburnhamstandard.co.uk/news/16178432.Convicted_killer_asks_for_evidence_to_be_disclosed_to_allow_for_third_appeal/
This is something JB and his most fervent supporters have been beating the drum about for a long time. The court will not be remotely interested in paper trails and theories of two silencers, albeit JB et al could well be right ie there may well have been two silencers sent to FSS. The court will be concerned with the one silencer exhibited at trial. At 2002 appeal MT QC attempted to appeal against the hand swabs on the basis they had been swapped and this was simply batted away (see CoA doc points 175 - 213 http://www.maldonandburnhamstandard.co.uk/news/16178432.Convicted_killer_asks_for_evidence_to_be_disclosed_to_allow_for_third_appeal/)
When John Hayward, biologist responsible for the blood stained exhibits, was sworn in at trial the trial judge asked Rivlin the following:
MR JUSTICE DRAKE: Now, Mr Rivlin, the witness is going to be asked about a large number of items which later on he is going to tell us about, is there any dispute that they were transmitted properly to him, or where they were found?
MR RIVLIN: No, my Lord.
MR JUSTICE DRAKE: Then we need not bother with the transmission, and the jury can assume the formalities have been gone through.
I'v been unable to upload John Hayward's testimony to this post but it's in the link here:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7845.msg379422#msg379422
Jeremy Bamber has most certainly made a fool of himself; yet again!
I'm really surprised you cannot see through Bamber's deceit Holly?
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Jeremy Bamber has most certainly made a fool of himself; yet again!
I'm really surprised you cannot see through Bamber's deceit Holly?
I take no notice of anything JB and his supporters do or say etc. I form my own opinions on my own research.
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http://www.maldonandburnhamstandard.co.uk/news/16178432.Convicted_killer_asks_for_evidence_to_be_disclosed_to_allow_for_third_appeal/
This is something JB and his most fervent supporters have been beating the drum about for a long time. The court will not be remotely interested in paper trails and theories of two silencers, albeit JB et al could well be right ie there may well have been two silencers sent to FSS. The court will be concerned with the one silencer exhibited at trial. At 2002 appeal MT QC attempted to appeal against the hand swabs on the basis they had been swapped and this was simply batted away (see CoA doc points 175 - 213 http://www.maldonandburnhamstandard.co.uk/news/16178432.Convicted_killer_asks_for_evidence_to_be_disclosed_to_allow_for_third_appeal/)
When John Hayward, biologist responsible for the blood stained exhibits, was sworn in at trial the trial judge asked Rivlin the following:
MR JUSTICE DRAKE: Now, Mr Rivlin, the witness is going to be asked about a large number of items which later on he is going to tell us about, is there any dispute that they were transmitted properly to him, or where they were found?
MR RIVLIN: No, my Lord.
MR JUSTICE DRAKE: Then we need not bother with the transmission, and the jury can assume the formalities have been gone through.
I'v been unable to upload John Hayward's testimony to this post but it's in the link here:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7845.msg379422#msg379422
An interesting find Holly, don't know why this newspaper is giving the case any exposure as the sound moderators are in my view irrelevant anyway. The main evidence is the forensics involving Sheila and the fight in the kitchen which she could never have been involved in. If Bamber is looking for a technical reason to overturn the conviction without addressing the real evidence I fear he is deluding himself.
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I take no notice of anything JB and his supporters do or say etc. I form my own opinions on my own research.
I must say I find it odd you claiming to take no notice of what Bamber says. Why's that Holly? Surely you need a starting point based on innocence otherwise it makes no sense why you have spent so many years focused on his case in the first place?
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An interesting find Holly, don't know why this newspaper is giving the case any exposure as the sound moderators are in my view irrelevant anyway. The main evidence is the forensics involving Sheila and the fight in the kitchen which she could never have been involved in. If Bamber is looking for a technical reason to overturn the conviction without addressing the real evidence I fear he is deluding himself.
According to Poppy Miller's blog and news articles associated to her, I think that's her neck of the woods. She may have twisted someone's arm? Or maybe news in Maldon and Burnham is sparse?
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Here's what David is claiming:
"No, the ballistic photographic evidence shows the blood was planted. You need to realise that much of this summing is a result of bad defence strategy." http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9404.msg438091.html?PHPSESSID=ajl4br58ds63cdjs76s69bijl7#msg438091
Though he did claim:
"Anyway blaming people is something that should be done after a conviction is overturned. Doing such things prior can be counter productuve http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9402.msg438077.html#msg438077
*%87
Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!" (Sir Walter Scott, 1808).
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An interesting find Holly, don't know why this newspaper is giving the case any exposure as the sound moderators are in my view irrelevant anyway. The main evidence is the forensics involving Sheila and the fight in the kitchen which she could never have been involved in. If Bamber is looking for a technical reason to overturn the conviction without addressing the real evidence I fear he is deluding himself.
Wendy Brading could be another reason?
She's written news stories on Bamber in the past, as she once did for Simon Hall.
http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/14631374._30_years_of_journalism_has_gone_in_the_blink_of_an_eye___Wendy_Brading_celebrates_30_years_at_the_Gazette/
"I have interviewed convicted killer Jeremy Bamber in Category A prisons
He most probably charmed her? *&^^&
I'm going with it being linked to Wendy Brading. If you google her name along with Bambers it throws up numerous articles; including this one http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/14616124.Emmerdale_actress_narrates_video_released_to_mark_30_year_anniversary_of_Jeremy_Bamber_mass_murder_sentence/
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8610.msg410558.html?PHPSESSID=5ieanqlho3h3m1oe006dvh0ie5#msg410558
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=4690.210
http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/14637257.Battered__controlled_and_abused___the_women_who_seek_shelter_at_Colchester_s_Women_s_Refuge/
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6530.msg261476#msg261476 I
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10739904.display/
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An interesting find Holly, don't know why this newspaper is giving the case any exposure as the sound moderators are in my view irrelevant anyway. The main evidence is the forensics involving Sheila and the fight in the kitchen which she could never have been involved in. If Bamber is looking for a technical reason to overturn the conviction without addressing the real evidence I fear he is deluding himself.
I can't take the credit for the find. I think it was Caroline ? on one of the other threads.
Yes the forensics need undermining not the paperwork trails.
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I must say I find it odd you claiming to take no notice of what Bamber says. Why's that Holly? Surely you need a starting point based on innocence otherwise it makes no sense why you have spent so many years focused on his case in the first place?
Trial testimony from experts, Dr Ferguson's WS, WS's from police and lay witnesses, autopsy reports, Dr Lincoln's report etc plus my own research.
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Wendy Brading could be another reason?
She's written news stories on Bamber in the past, as she once did for Simon Hall.
http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/14631374._30_years_of_journalism_has_gone_in_the_blink_of_an_eye___Wendy_Brading_celebrates_30_years_at_the_Gazette/
"I have interviewed convicted killer Jeremy Bamber in Category A prisons
He most probably charmed her? *&^^&
I'm going with it being linked to Wendy Brading. If you google her name along with Bambers it throws up numerous articles; including this one http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/14616124.Emmerdale_actress_narrates_video_released_to_mark_30_year_anniversary_of_Jeremy_Bamber_mass_murder_sentence/
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8610.msg410558.html?PHPSESSID=5ieanqlho3h3m1oe006dvh0ie5#msg410558
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=4690.210
http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/14637257.Battered__controlled_and_abused___the_women_who_seek_shelter_at_Colchester_s_Women_s_Refuge/
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6530.msg261476#msg261476 I
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10739904.display/
It appears to me Wendy Brading could be a supporter?
"David Cameron to Jeremy Bamber who is currently serving a life tariff in a high security prison after being convicted of the murders of five members of his family
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/wendy-brading-753762111
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You are right once again Steph. Wendy is a friend of Jeremy and on his telephone list. I wouldn’t necessarily say she is a supporter but like any journalist likes to be the first in the know. I am sure Jeremy phoned her to give her the heads up then sent the information to her.
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You are right once again Steph. Wendy is a friend of Jeremy and on his telephone list. I wouldn’t necessarily say she is a supporter but like any journalist likes to be the first in the know. I am sure Jeremy phoned her to give her the heads up then sent the information to her.
Do you think she may be "Claire Powell?"
I'm suspicious of this link Daisy because I have high expectations when it comes to good journalism
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You are right once again Steph. Wendy is a friend of Jeremy and on his telephone list. I wouldn’t necessarily say she is a supporter but like any journalist likes to be the first in the know. I am sure Jeremy phoned her to give her the heads up then sent the information to her.
Wendy Brading stated in July 2016:
"Truth and transparency are fundamental and journalists must combine being creative with being informative.
At some points over the years, journalism lost its way a little and, to a degree, the public’s respect. However, I am still a profound believer that journalism is a force for good.
It is a cornerstone of democracy and justice. It holds the powers that be to account, it strives for transparency and exposes wrong-doing. One of its greatest assets is to give people a voice. http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/14631374._30_years_of_journalism_has_gone_in_the_blink_of_an_eye___Wendy_Brading_celebrates_30_years_at_the_Gazette/
I wonder if Ms Brading has ever considered she may have lost her way in relation to Jeremy Bamber and some of her work may be behind why the public have lost their respect?
I didn't find the recent news article informative one iota. It's totally shameful! It's dragging out the inevitable. Jeremy Bamber has nowhere else to go and he just clings to those few people he's managed to dupe along the way.
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You are right once again Steph. Wendy is a friend of Jeremy and on his telephone list. I wouldn’t necessarily say she is a supporter but like any journalist likes to be the first in the know. I am sure Jeremy phoned her to give her the heads up then sent the information to her.
What makes you think she isn't a supporter?
Did he talk about her a lot?
You appear to have much knowledge on Bamber Daisy? Why don't you share more?
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Wendy Brading stated in July 2016:
"Truth and transparency are fundamental and journalists must combine being creative with being informative.
At some points over the years, journalism lost its way a little and, to a degree, the public’s respect. However, I am still a profound believer that journalism is a force for good.
It is a cornerstone of democracy and justice. It holds the powers that be to account, it strives for transparency and exposes wrong-doing. One of its greatest assets is to give people a voice. http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/14631374._30_years_of_journalism_has_gone_in_the_blink_of_an_eye___Wendy_Brading_celebrates_30_years_at_the_Gazette/
I wonder if Ms Brading has ever considered she may have lost her way in relation to Jeremy Bamber and some of her work may be behind why the public have lost their respect?
I didn't find the recent news article informative one iota. It's totally shameful! It's dragging out the inevitable. Jeremy Bamber has nowhere else to go and he just clings to those few people he's managed to dupe along the way.
Let's hope Wendy Brading comes to her senses and recognises Jeremy Bamber as the psychopath he is and reports on this in the near future.
Why she chose to follow up on Andrew Hunters book only she knows *&^^&
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10739904.display/
Maybe someone should point her in the right direction?
She's written about controlled and abused women here - why has it taken her so long to join the dots? http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/14637257.Battered__controlled_and_abused___the_women_who_seek_shelter_at_Colchester_s_Women_s_Refuge/
She could be writing about Julie Mugford:
"But these women have found that ounce of strength and courage they need to break free from their abusers."
Come on Wendy Brading let's have some truthful and transparent reporting, not this one sided bias attempting to portray Jeremy Bamber as a victim.
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You are right once again Steph. Wendy is a friend of Jeremy and on his telephone list. I wouldn’t necessarily say she is a supporter but like any journalist likes to be the first in the know. I am sure Jeremy phoned her to give her the heads up then sent the information to her.
Daisy can i ask, did you ever report Jeremy Bamber to the prison or the police when he attempted to con you out of money or did you just stop contact with him?
And would you be willing to come forward now in order to report him? Confidentially of course?
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Do you think she may be "Claire Powell?"
I'm suspicious of this link Daisy because I have high expectations when it comes to good journalism
No she definitely isn’t Claire Powell. Wendy also has a Twitter acccount and I think Poppy Miller is in regular contact with her as they live in the same area. As you know Poppy is one of Jeremy’s staunchest supporters.
Wendy may have known Jeremy from the past which is why she reports on his case or it may be that she only does so because of the local connection to the case.
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No she definitely isn’t Claire Powell. Wendy also has a Twitter acccount and I think Poppy Miller is in regular contact with her as they live in the same area. As you know Poppy is one of Jeremy’s staunchest supporters.
Wendy may have known Jeremy from the past which is why she reports on his case or it may be that she only does so because of the local connection to the case.
How do you know she definitely isn't Claire Powell?
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No she definitely isn’t Claire Powell. Wendy also has a Twitter acccount and I think Poppy Miller is in regular contact with her as they live in the same area. As you know Poppy is one of Jeremy’s staunchest supporters.
Wendy may have known Jeremy from the past which is why she reports on his case or it may be that she only does so because of the local connection to the case.
Wendy has been in contact with Bamber for over 3 decades according to her bios, unless I've misread them?
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Daisy can i ask, did you ever report Jeremy Bamber to the prison or the police when he attempted to con you out of money or did you just stop contact with him?
And would you be willing to come forward now in order to report him? Confidentially of course?
Do you not want to answer this Daisy? No probs if not.
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Let's hope Wendy Brading comes to her senses and recognises Jeremy Bamber as the psychopath he is and reports on this in the near future.
Why she chose to follow up on Andrew Hunters book only she knows *&^^&
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10739904.display/
Maybe someone should point her in the right direction?
She's written about controlled and abused women here - why has it taken her so long to join the dots? http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/14637257.Battered__controlled_and_abused___the_women_who_seek_shelter_at_Colchester_s_Women_s_Refuge/
She could be writing about Julie Mugford:
"But these women have found that ounce of strength and courage they need to break free from their abusers."
Come on Wendy Brading let's have some truthful and transparent reporting, not this one sided bias attempting to portray Jeremy Bamber as a victim.
Anyone know what happened to Andrew Hunter book?
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Daisy can i ask, did you ever report Jeremy Bamber to the prison or the police when he attempted to con you out of money or did you just stop contact with him?
And would you be willing to come forward now in order to report him? Confidentially of course?
He phoned me one day and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to fund the latest forensic tests. He said they had already been done and just needed paying for. I refused so he became abusive and slammed down the phone. A few minutes later he phoned back and started being nice. When he realised I wasn’t going to give him the money he turned on me again.
After the phone call I rang the Governors office and reported him. I asked if they had a recording of the said phone call. They wouldn’t answer and suggested I contact the Ministry of Justice. I did this and all they did was send me a link on their policy of phone recording.
What is the point of reporting him formally. He is on a whole life tariff so nothing can make things worse. It probably hurt him more that he had lost a loyal friend.
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He phoned me one day and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to fund the latest forensic tests. He said they had already been done and just needed paying for. I refused so he became abusive and slammed down the phone. A few minutes later he phoned back and started being nice. When he realised I wasn’t going to give him the money he turned on me again.
After the phone call I rang the Governors office and reported him. I asked if they had a recording of the said phone call. They wouldn’t answer and suggested I contact the Ministry of Justice. I did this and all they did was send me a link on their policy of phone recording.
What is the point of reporting him formally. He is on a whole life tariff so nothing can make things worse. It probably hurt him more that he had lost a loyal friend.
Or a means of financial support.
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What is the point of reporting him formally. He is on a whole life tariff so nothing can make things worse. It probably hurt him more that he had lost a loyal friend.
Psychopaths like Jeremy Bamber do not view "friends" as people Daisy; "friends" are objects to them.
Psychopaths aren't wired like you and I.
As I've said numerous times, they idealise, devalue and discard. But by idealise, that doesn't mean they think you are ideal, they don't care for you in anyway, shape or form. You are merely a means to an end. You are an object not someone with feelings.
Bamber would have felt nothing for you Daisy, just as Simon Hall felt nothing for me. We are just objects to be used. Narcisstic supply, that is all.
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He phoned me one day and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to fund the latest forensic tests. He said they had already been done and just needed paying for. I refused so he became abusive and slammed down the phone. A few minutes later he phoned back and started being nice. When he realised I wasn’t going to give him the money he turned on me again.
After the phone call I rang the Governors office and reported him. I asked if they had a recording of the said phone call. They wouldn’t answer and suggested I contact the Ministry of Justice. I did this and all they did was send me a link on their policy of phone recording.
What is the point of reporting him formally. He is on a whole life tariff so nothing can make things worse. It probably hurt him more that he had lost a loyal friend.
Not so much a polite request for a huge favour as a fait accompli!!! He must have felt very certain of you.
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He phoned me one day and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to fund the latest forensic tests. He said they had already been done and just needed paying for. I refused so he became abusive and slammed down the phone. A few minutes later he phoned back and started being nice. When he realised I wasn’t going to give him the money he turned on me again.
After the phone call I rang the Governors office and reported him. I asked if they had a recording of the said phone call. They wouldn’t answer and suggested I contact the Ministry of Justice. I did this and all they did was send me a link on their policy of phone recording.
What is the point of reporting him formally. He is on a whole life tariff so nothing can make things worse.
Did you speak with the Governor?
Did you write to the Minstry of Justice or phone them?
What I'm asking is, do you have proof you did any of this?
You should have reported this incident to the police IMO, then there would have been a paper trail. It would have been recorded in Bamber's prison security files and would have been relevant in relation to his risks to the public.
Men like Bamber think they are above the law and whilst incidents like this aren't formally reported, they just carry on regardless and con their next victim.
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He phoned me one day and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to fund the latest forensic tests. He said they had already been done and just needed paying for. I refused so he became abusive and slammed down the phone. A few minutes later he phoned back and started being nice. When he realised I wasn’t going to give him the money he turned on me again.
After the phone call I rang the Governors office and reported him. I asked if they had a recording of the said phone call. They wouldn’t answer and suggested I contact the Ministry of Justice. I did this and all they did was send me a link on their policy of phone recording.
What is the point of reporting him formally. He is on a whole life tariff so nothing can make things worse. It probably hurt him more that he had lost a loyal friend.
This link may be of interest to you https://psychopathresistance.wordpress.com/tag/blame/
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He phoned me one day and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to fund the latest forensic tests. He said they had already been done and just needed paying for. I refused so he became abusive and slammed down the phone. A few minutes later he phoned back and started being nice. When he realised I wasn’t going to give him the money he turned on me again.
After the phone call I rang the Governors office and reported him. I asked if they had a recording of the said phone call. They wouldn’t answer and suggested I contact the Ministry of Justice. I did this and all they did was send me a link on their policy of phone recording.
What is the point of reporting him formally. He is on a whole life tariff so nothing can make things worse. It probably hurt him more that he had lost a loyal friend.
ALL of Bambers friendships are manufactured. They aren't real!
Each and everyone of his supporters or "friends' will eventually come to learn this fact. And it is a fact because he is a psychopath!
The problem is of course if Jeremy Bamber is surrounded by narcissists then these types of people are unable to see anything wrong in their behaviour either.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/brainstorm/201712/5-things-psychopaths-and-narcissists-will-do-in-conversation
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He phoned me one day and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to fund the latest forensic tests. He said they had already been done and just needed paying for. I refused so he became abusive and slammed down the phone. A few minutes later he phoned back and started being nice. When he realised I wasn’t going to give him the money he turned on me again.
After the phone call I rang the Governors office and reported him. I asked if they had a recording of the said phone call. They wouldn’t answer and suggested I contact the Ministry of Justice. I did this and all they did was send me a link on their policy of phone recording.
What is the point of reporting him formally. He is on a whole life tariff so nothing can make things worse. It probably hurt him more that he had lost a loyal friend.
I've emailed Wendy Brading:
Dear Wendy,
I am contacting you with regards a recent news story published about Jeremy Bamber.
http://www.maldonandburnhamstandard.co.uk/news/16178432.Convicted_killer_asks_for_evidence_to_be_disclosed_to_allow_for_third_appeal/
The article doesn't say who published it however I'm aware you have followed and reported on the Jeremy Bamber case for over 3 decades.
You may recall some years back we spoke on the phone in relation to the Simon Hall case. It's because of my experiences with Simon hall that I decided to contact you.
It turned out he was most probably a psychopath who groomed and conned me, along with many others.
In one of your articles in July 2016 you stated;
"Truth and transparency are fundamental and journalists must combine being creative with being informative.
At some points over the years, journalism lost its way a little and, to a degree, the public’s respect. However, I am still a profound believer that journalism is a force for good.
It is a cornerstone of democracy and justice. It holds the powers that be to account, it strives for transparency and exposes wrong-doing. One of its greatest assets is to give people a voice.
You've also published an article about controlled and abused women and I wondered why it appears you've yet to join the dots in relation to Julie Mugford? This could have been written for her when she went to the police all those years ago.
"But these women have found that ounce of strength and courage they need to break free from their abusers."
Come on Wendy let's have some truthful and transparent reporting, not this one sided bias attempting to portray Jeremy Bamber as a victim, when its quite obvious he and Simon Hall could have been cut from the same cloth. Both men are abusers who strive for power and control over their victims no matter the cost.
This is the kind of wrong doing that needs exposing.
Prisoners like Jeremy Bamber have more rights than their victims, as I came to learn to my detriment.
Yours sincerely,
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I've emailed Wendy Brading:
Dear Wendy,
I am contacting you with regards a recent news story published about Jeremy Bamber.
http://www.maldonandburnhamstandard.co.uk/news/16178432.Convicted_killer_asks_for_evidence_to_be_disclosed_to_allow_for_third_appeal/
The article doesn't say who published it however I'm aware you have followed and reported on the Jeremy Bamber case for over 3 decades.
You may recall some years back we spoke on the phone in relation to the Simon Hall case. It's because of my experiences with Simon hall that I decided to contact you.
It turned out he was most probably a psychopath who groomed and conned me, along with many others.
In one of your articles in July 2016 you stated;
"Truth and transparency are fundamental and journalists must combine being creative with being informative.
At some points over the years, journalism lost its way a little and, to a degree, the public’s respect. However, I am still a profound believer that journalism is a force for good.
It is a cornerstone of democracy and justice. It holds the powers that be to account, it strives for transparency and exposes wrong-doing. One of its greatest assets is to give people a voice.
You've also published an article about controlled and abused women and I wondered why it appears you've yet to join the dots in relation to Julie Mugford? This could have been written for her when she went to the police all those years ago.
"But these women have found that ounce of strength and courage they need to break free from their abusers."
Come on Wendy let's have some truthful and transparent reporting, not this one sided bias attempting to portray Jeremy Bamber as a victim, when its quite obvious he and Simon Hall could have been cut from the same cloth. Both men are abusers who strive for power and control over their victims no matter the cost.
This is the kind of wrong doing that needs exposing.
Prisoners like Jeremy Bamber have more rights than their victims, as I came to learn to my detriment.
Yours sincerely,
Open Email: Adam Cornell News Editor Maldon Standard
Dear Adam,
I am forwarding you an email I sent to Wendy Brading yesterday regarding convicted mass murderer Jeremy Bamber.
Following yet more false claims made by Bamber it seems your paper has deemed it newsworthy?
Jeremy Bamber is quite clearly a psychopath. He manipulates and exploits people to do his bidding; that includes journalists. Not that long ago one of Bamber's victims (previously a supporter) claimed to have almost been conned out of a large sum of money. Why doesn't Wendy Brading include some of these facts in her articles?
I was manipulated and exploited by Simon Hall, who like Jeremy Bamber, managed to con many journalists, the prison service, and all associated agencies. He even conned the then Secretary of State in 2012 to sign a Guittard application, bypassing the parole board, who deemed him suitable for early transfer to the open prison estate.
He subsequently confessed to the murder having been sexually motivated, which the original police investigation had originally focused on.
At this point you would have thought the prison service and all associated agencies would have carried out a review in order to establish how they had been conned by a prisoner who was clearly dangerous and disordered, but no such review occurred.
Following Hall's confession to murder, the then National Offenders Management Service (NOMS) now Her Majesty's Prison and Probation Service failed to review or act on his prison status. He died a D-Cat prisoner.
After Simon Hall's suicide in 2014, disclosure material suggested NOMS could not intervene in relation to his immediate risk to me, or others, until a formal complaint had been received. I was hardly in any state at that time to call for a judicial review; like in the John Worboy's case.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/parole-board-statement-following-decision-of-judicial-review-in-the-case-of-john-worboys
Jeremy Bamber should be forced to have a brain scan in order to establish once and for all his quite apparent psychopathic traits.
Have you or your newspaper any idea how much men like Jeremy Bamber cost our society, and I do not just refer to monetary costs but the human cost.
Yours sincerely,
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No she definitely isn’t Claire Powell. Wendy also has a Twitter acccount and I think Poppy Miller is in regular contact with her as they live in the same area. As you know Poppy is one of Jeremy’s staunchest supporters.
Wendy may have known Jeremy from the past which is why she reports on his case or it may be that she only does so because of the local connection to the case.
They aren't the only 2 from that area Daisy http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/barbara-death
Barbara De'ath appears to think because Bamber couldn't have circled along the sea wall, he's innocent? Do these supporters not understand it's a THEORY put forward? *&^^&
"The Speakman’s being one of the biggest landowners in the area were a wealthy family equal to Royalty in Maldon
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Did you speak with the Governor?
Did you write to the Minstry of Justice or phone them?
What I'm asking is, do you have proof you did any of this?
You should have reported this incident to the police IMO, then there would have been a paper trail. It would have been recorded in Bamber's prison security files and would have been relevant in relation to his risks to the public.
Men like Bamber think they are above the law and whilst incidents like this aren't formally reported, they just carry on regardless and con their next victim.
There was no point in carrying this any further. Jeremy has asked many people for money which may be out of desperation to prove his innocence. None of us know what turmoil he is going through and I just treated it like any other argument I have had in the past with other people. I just removed myself from the situation and got on with my life. The problem is I trust everyone and I need to be more cautious and not take everything I am told to be the truth.
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Supporter Barbara Death sounds bitter to me.
Her and her husband had issues with their caravan at OSEA road.
Seems to me they turned on the surviving relatives because they felt hard done by.
The video is worth listening to IMO
http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/barbara-death
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There was no point in carrying this any further. Jeremy has asked many people for money which may be out of desperation to prove his innocence. None of us know what turmoil he is going through and I just treated it like any other argument I have had in the past with other people. I just removed myself from the situation and got on with my life. The problem is I trust everyone and I need to be more cautious and not take everything I am told to be the truth.
That's not entirely true though is it Daisy?
I have read both this and the blue forum for sometime and with the utmost respect, many of those on both forums have formed opinions on Jeremy as regards his innocence/guilt and what type of person he is. Many have never written, spoken to or met him. This is why I have decided to share with you the friendship I have had with Jeremy for almost three years. He was, I thought one of my dearest and closest friends but I seriously misjudged this man. This will probably be a long post so I will do it in chunks so you don't get bored!
I started writing to Jeremy sometime ago after reading new information about the case and feeling that all didn't seem right. I live not far from Essex so have always read about his case in the local papers. I very soon became involved in the Campaign and typed some of the documents for his last CCRC submissions. I have also done all I can to ask those in power to listen and have written to my MP, the Prime Minister,the MOJ, the Home Secretary, CPS, IPCC etc. I have had conversations with officials at the CCRC and also exchanged emails and spoken on the phone to Professional Standards at Essex Police. I also phoned some of the scientists who examined the sound moderator who were very pleasant towards me but adament they had come to the right conclusion. The Campaign Team told me that I was getting more results and responses than themselves. When the Campaign mysteriously closed down for a while, I never heard from them again and my emails went unanswered.
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Jeremy and I spoke on the phone two or three times a week and I sent him a generous monthly allowance. We shared our hopes and dreams and I always told him he was an extended part of my family. I just wanted him to feel that he belonged and I told him I would always support him no matter what. He always told me I was one of his closest friends and one of the only people he could trust. When I went on holiday, he made me promise to email him, he always phoned me on Christmas day and I truly believed our friendship was genuine. I continued to do whatever I could to help him, even tracking down a retired senior Essex Police Officer for his help which he initially said he would do, then asked me never to contact him again! Jeremy has sent me many documents which have never been in the public domain but I can say that none of them absolutely proved his innocence. There is one though, which indicates that there MAY have been life inside the house while Jeremy was outside but that needs investigating further.
Jeremy is witty, makes me laugh and usually cheeful in spite of the conditions he lives under. I discovered though that he has a dark side. He was often very evasive when I asked him questions about the case and if I ever disagreed with a piece of evidence or events, he would turn on me and shout and swear. He told me lots of lies and in the end I took everything he said with a pinch of salt. On my birthday last year, he sent me a lovely card telling me what a special friend I was and he promised to be with me to celebrate in 2014. Then things changed drasticall between us. . . . . . . .
In September he phoned me and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to pay for the new forensics tests. He demanded I send him £4,000. Before answering "no" I asked him who the scientists were as I wanted to check out their credentials. He told me to mind my own business and just pay up. He said if I didn't have the funds available then I should take out a bank loan. He was very threatening and abusive. When I started getting upset he shouted at me "stop playing the F*****ng victim." I was so worried and concerned, I phoned the prison and discussed this call. For anyone out there who thinks I may be telling lies, the prison confirmed that this call was recorded and retained so I have the proof.
I had already arranged a visit for October and went as planned and intended to discuss this matter with him. He was quite unpleasant and told me he had never liked me and would never want me as a friend, along with other very hurtful remarks. He told me himself that he had sacked Simon McKay. I tried to talk some sense into him but he said "everyone plays to my tune or I dispose of them". That appears to have been a lie as Simon claims to still be working for him. I now realise I was there purely for the money. I didn't turn up for the afternoon visit.
Back home, I wrote to Jeremy telling him how devastated I was that our friendship was a complete farce on his behalf and I was heartbroken that I was forced to walk away from him. I have given him three months to reply and all I wanted was an apology and an explanation as to why he had lied to me for three years, pretending he was my friend. This is why I have decided to tell my story as I don't want anyone else to be hurt by Jeremy. I feel so guilty abandoning him but what choice did I have? Andrea and Goatboy have got it absolutely spot on when they say Jeremy uses and abuses friends and then tosses them aside. I feel desperately sorry for him.
I hear what you are saying Holly but there is a difference between offloading on friends and being controlling, manipulative and abusive. No one treats their friends like that. This is certainly not the way to behave if you claim to be a MOJ. Jeremy comes from a decent family and had an excellent education and should have been taught basic manners.
Also you say you would never become involved with a person in his position. Well, he is no different to the rest of us - he is just locked away. If we didn't become emotionally involved with our friends then we would all be robots!
When we look back at his life before and shortly after the murders he was described as arrogant and controlling. It seems he hasn't changed and is losing friends left right and centre. I have been to the highest level and take it from me MOJ or not, Jeremy is never ever going to be released.
Do you usually post your arguments with people on a public internet forum Daisy?
You can hardly say you removed yourself from the situation and got on with your life. From my viewpoint you jumped out of the frying pan into the fire.
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The problem is I trust everyone and I need to be more cautious and not take everything I am told to be the truth.
You strike me as someone who takes risks Daisy?
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You strike me as someone who takes risks Daisy?
Yes you are probably right. I just have a few more things to report on the Mark Alexander case and I won’t be discussing anything personal in future. I feel a bit threatened now.
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Yes you are probably right. I just have a few more things to report on the Mark Alexander case and I won’t be discussing anything personal in future. I feel a bit threatened now.
@)(++(* I cannot tell if you are being serious or not Daisy
Yeah far safer to stick to supporting convicted murderers and reporting on their cases. Nothing threatening in that *&^^& they only have all the personal information you give them along with where you live etc
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Yes you are probably right. I just have a few more things to report on the Mark Alexander case and I won’t be discussing anything personal in future. I feel a bit threatened now.
What's with the victim mentality Daisy. I think you have much to contribute to the forum.
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Do you usually post your arguments with people on a public internet forum Daisy?
You can hardly say you removed yourself from the situation and got on with your life. From my viewpoint you jumped out of the frying pan into the fire.
Yes you are probably right. I just have a few more things to report on the Mark Alexander case and I won’t be discussing anything personal in future. I feel a bit threatened now.
What did you learn about Jeremy Bamber and about yourself following your argument with him and did you learn from those lessons before picking up pen and paper and "jumping into the fire" with Mark Alexander?
You claim you "feel a bit threatened now," I presume you mean by posting on this forum?
Have you ever stopped to consider your judgement of others may be off kilter and your own behaviour could be seen by some as threatening?
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What's with the victim mentality Daisy. I think you have much to contribute to the forum.
I am who I am and you have no right to keep criticising me. We all go through life on a journey and sometimes make right choices and other times not. I post on here to give information not to have arguments and be questioned about everything I do.
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I am who I am and you have no right to keep criticising me. We all go through life on a journey and sometimes make right choices and other times not. I post on here to give information not to have arguments and be questioned about everything I do.
I'm not interested in you Daisy, I'm interested in facts. You appear to have posted here since around 2014 and you appear to have built up a following of your own. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5009.0.html
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After reading her posts, I messaged "Daisy" to ask whether she would speak to me regarding my book. She gave me a definite no, telling me that "people like me" are "disgusting" because we try to profit from Jeremy's case. I felt it was only fair to inform her that I am in fact offering all proceeds from the publication of the book to Jeremy's campaign and don't intend to profit from it at all.
I find it sad that she felt the need to post this at all, even if it was to "prevent anyone else from being hurt by Jeremy". After all, we're all big boys and girls and can all stand on our own two feet and come to our own conclusions regarding the case and whether or not we wish to be in contact with Jeremy.
I just hope that people don't go making judgments about Jeremy based on what she has to say as I'm sure we all have an ex or two out there who wouldn't give us the greatest reference ;)
This is precisely why I think a book about Jeremy is needed...to show him in a true light instead of allowing scorned women and the like to continue to muddy his name.
Just my two cents worth :)
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Aunt Agatha posted the following on 11th January 2014
"I was aware of Daisy wanting to post this. Though I disagree with what she has done, I must add, in her defence, she meant no malice whatsoever.
Daisy is a dear lady....'old school', is the best way to describe her. She has an incredibly close family, including a most loving and supportive husband. The entire family where supportive of Daisy's desire to support a man with no family, who she felt was alone and in need of some genuine moral support, with no ties or complications. Her friendship with Jeremy was purely that. Unconditional.
She may have some wealth behind her and maybe Jeremy thought that Daisy's friendship may be of some serious use at a later date. Daisy was aware of this, however, she did not want to believe she was there solely for the money. She refused to think ill of Jeremy, even though her family had pointed out how he mentioned 'her' money to both her and the Campaign team on a few occasions.
What happened on 'that' particular visit was shocking to both Daisy and her husband....who was also with her. She was, as one can imagine, deeply hurt by this. Both she and her husband were upset by his actions that morning that a planned afternoon visit was cancelled by them.
Friendship, loyalty and family are at the core of the whole of Daisy's nearest and dearest. I suppose all she wanted to do was help a vulnerable young man who found himself fighting for his life....and justice.
In that, she has committed no crime, her actions and support were genuine.
The way some of you have attacked Daisy and her postings, is without justification and wholly unnecessary.
Daisy is old enough almost to be his mother.....you have spitefully attacked a harmless lady who meant no harm, other than to warn others who may be in the same position as she was, to be wary of him.
I have known Jeremy for over 20 years. Both his mental and emotional health have deteriorated (which is without judgement but a fact, due to his imprisonment and age).
Jeremy remains possibly one of the strongest men I have ever had the fortune to meet and I wish him no harm, ever. Not everybody who has had a relationship with Jeremy has spoken about it either.
Sadly, I do agree with Daisy on one point. Like her I believe he is innocent, always have....however, Jeremy has become a political prisoner upon which his release would bring the whole judicial system to its knees. It's not that he won't be released so much as he can't be released....and that is what Daisy meant also.
Having been through two Appeals with Jeremy, having had meetings with Euan Smith, having been fobbed off with him along with Jeremy whilst he was courted to the CCRC, as Commissioner leaves many unanswered questions.
Ask the right question and you may get the right answer.
Wendy Brading reports:
"Bamber says he has not become institutionalised and is also confident sure he will be released one day.
Old friends from Tolleshunt D'Arcy still send him pictures from the village and he hopes, one day, to return. Not to stay. He is not sentimental about his childhood home. He says he just needs closure.
"I've had dark times. There are times when I have been angry, vengeful, disappointed. There are times when I have been depressed, broken even. But I am excited now.
"I believe you don't know what is around the corner so you should never give up.
"When I do get out of jail, I would like to be an inspirational speaker and would tell people not to give up. Everyone has difficulties in their lives be it illness or losing your job or being in prison. But I believe anything is possible and I want to demonstrate that." http://www.maldonandburnhamstandard.co.uk/news/15129894.__39_I_will_never_give_up_trying_to_clear_my_name__39__says_convicted_killer_Jeremy_Bamber/
Patti stated on 10th January 2014:
Quote from: Bubbles35 on January 10, 2014, 07:31:PM
Well just been having a read of the red forum I am not a member. And there a few posts from a poster called daisy. Who is slagging Jeremy off as she said he has dumped her as a friend. From what's she has posted and also said she has visited in prison. I think she is another dumped girl friend worth a read . Why does his dumped woman not accept when it's over ?
Thank you for posting this Bubbles. In all honesty it is a shock to read, but I genuinely feel sorry for this person. Daisy tells of lies and a controlled mind.
I have to question his ability to feel for anyone....How can someone be a friend and in the next breath says I have never liked you...
I am with Grahame, I have never liked Jeremy it appears to me he just as arrogant now as he was nearly 30 years. Cross him and you will be disposed of, just like he did with Mike.
I'm sorry, but the excuse that he is incarcerated is not going to make this better for me. I know we all have our moments and we say things that we don't mean, but the majority of us have the decency to realise what we have said/done and we apologise.
Sometimes you have to think about Jeremy's attitude to those who have stood buy him, like Mike, Aunt Agatha, Jackie P and now Daisy....Yet, remarkably they all still stand by him...Why?
I'm not saying that Jeremy is guilty, because I don't think he is. But, I do sometimes feel he knows more than we do..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5009.msg213921.html#msg213921
Aunt A then states:
Daisy has not just popped up from nowhere! It has been stated in a previous post on this thread that many people write to Jeremy, especially after an airing.....and I agree totally.
Maybe this lady did the same as many other people, she just happened to stay around longer as her concern for him was, as I stated earlier, genuine and without condition.
She and her husband (with their children's support), did for him what they could.
She had no need to come to the blue forum....if Jeremy needed anything he would contact her directly.
Daisy chose who to tell about the MOJ, she had no need to come here at all and let you know she existed. It is not in her nature.
She wrote what she did because she and her family where deeply hurt by the way Jeremy spoke to her, with his seemingly direct request for money and the way he spoke to her when she questioned what the money was for and wanted something in writing to confirm what these experts where doing. She had every right to know what her money was being spent on. Him asking was not the issue.....it was his attitude towards her when she questioned what it was for. The way he spoke to her, his manner and the revelation of how he truly felt about her after 3 years of loyalty, hit her hard.
The sadness and the upset felt by the whole family was enough for Daisy to warn anybody else, who may feel they are walking the same path as her, to be wary.......she did not want anybody else feeling the way she does
Grahame then posts:
"I suppose it is one of those cases where we are wise after the event? She probably feels now that she has made a big mistake for letting her feelings about Jeremy and his betrayal known.
Well I suppose we could excuse him many things as he has been in prison for many years with the understandable consequenses that AA has mentioned.
However I have seen this kind of thing before regarding Jeremy and it appears that from the very beginning he has hurt people who have struck up a relationship with him. I know of one other person who has experienced the same from Jeremy. It is not anyone who has ever been on this forum and I am sure not many members on here know and I won't mention their name either.
But it is this kind of thing that I find repelling with Jeremy. It is his special ability to hurt those who have done the most for him over the years.
As I said before I fall mainly on the side of his innocence for the reasons you all must know by now. But as I have no special feelings for him myself and if he ever gets out of gaol I will not be one of those at his "celebration party". I will quietly acknowledge the fact that justice would have at last been done. But then again if it is ever proved (and it has not) that he is guilty then again I will not be stirred up greatly by emotion. I don't like him and that is that. There clearly are two sides to this man http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5009.msg214121.html#msg214121
Aunt A:
"I was not going to comment further however may I add at this point, Jeremy has NEVER had any problems in asking for money from those who he thinks has it, nor does he have a problem receiving it.
If one reads Daisy's post again she mentions 'lies'.....she would only know he was lying if she had asked questions.....and she believed or knew he was lying to her. I am also aware of this.
Secondly, maybe because she again asked questions as to where the money was going...what forensics etc.
When Daisy also used the word 'generous' in her post....she means a little more than would be expected on a monthly basis going into his allowance. This allowed him to buy stationary, christmas/birthday cards, make phone calls, send out documents recorded delivery etc. Daisy never asked where the money went, however, it would have helped cover these costs on a monthly basis.....along with contributions from others of course.
Have not spoken with her and I would not ask her directly so I cannot confirm the above as they are only my thoughts......but pride and money.........where Jeremy is concerned I would not use them in the same sentence if you know what I mean.
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There was no point in carrying this any further. Jeremy has asked many people for money which may be out of desperation to prove his innocence. None of us know what turmoil he is going through and I just treated it like any other argument I have had in the past with other people. I just removed myself from the situation and got on with my life. The problem is I trust everyone and I need to be more cautious and not take everything I am told to be the truth.
It's interesting how you have no comment to make in relation to the emails to the Maldon Standard Daisy. Do you not approve?
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Yes you are probably right. I just have a few more things to report on the Mark Alexander case and I won’t be discussing anything personal in future. I feel a bit threatened now.
Well I trust you don't feel threatened posting here?
Everyone is welcome regardless of their case related views providing they stick to the rules on the homepage.
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What's with the victim mentality Daisy. I think you have much to contribute to the forum.
Stephanie I have asked you politely numerous times to refrain from making any comments of a personal nature.
Take this as a final warning, any repeats I will issue you written warning with the potential for a ban. I know you have me on ignore so I will send it via Admin and John.
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I know you have me on ignore so I will send it via Admin and John.
I do not have you on ignore Holly. Please stop making things up!
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I do not have you on ignore Holly. Please stop making things up!
I'm unable to send you pm's.
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Stephanie I have asked you politely numerous times to refrain from making any comments of a personal nature.
Take this as a final warning, any repeats I will issue you written warning with the potential for a ban. I know you have me on ignore so I will send it via Admin and John.
Do what you have to do Holly. I shall appeal as it appears you aren't moderating fairly. You have missed posts of a personal nature aimed at me, which I imagine suits your agenda.
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I'm unable to send you pm's.
Why do you want to PM me?
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20 Mar 2001
"JEREMY BAMBER, serving a life sentence for murdering five members of his family, has taken his controversial website offline.
The move follows legal advice, pending a review of his case by the Court of Appeal. Bamber, 40, set up the site a fortnight ago to proclaim his innocence in the 1985 shooting of his adoptive parents Nevill and June Bamber, both 61, his sister Sheila Cafell, 27, and her six-year-old twins Nicholas and Daniel.
The 34-page website - www.jeremybamber.com - contained criticism of the police and an audio message protesting his innocence. In a message last week, Bamber said he was "thrilled to bits" that the Criminal Cases Review Commission had referred his case to the Court of Appeal because of new DNA evidence.
Yesterday visitors to the site, condemned as "appalling" by the Victims of Crime Trust, were told that it had been temporarily taken offline. John Whittingdale, the Conservative MP for Maldon and East Chelmsford, said: "I am glad it has come down. I always thought it was disgraceful."
Bamber's cousin David Boutflour, 53, said there were several lies on the site. "I am delighted it has gone and I hope it does not come back," he said.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1327110/Bamber-takes-Im-innocent-campaign-off-internet.html
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20 Mar 2001
"JEREMY BAMBER, serving a life sentence for murdering five members of his family, has taken his controversial website offline.
The move follows legal advice, pending a review of his case by the Court of Appeal. Bamber, 40, set up the site a fortnight ago to proclaim his innocence in the 1985 shooting of his adoptive parents Nevill and June Bamber, both 61, his sister Sheila Cafell, 27, and her six-year-old twins Nicholas and Daniel.
The 34-page website - www.jeremybamber.com - contained criticism of the police and an audio message protesting his innocence. In a message last week, Bamber said he was "thrilled to bits" that the Criminal Cases Review Commission had referred his case to the Court of Appeal because of new DNA evidence.
Yesterday visitors to the site, condemned as "appalling" by the Victims of Crime Trust, were told that it had been temporarily taken offline. John Whittingdale, the Conservative MP for Maldon and East Chelmsford, said: "I am glad it has come down. I always thought it was disgraceful."
Bamber's cousin David Boutflour, 53, said there were several lies on the site. "I am delighted it has gone and I hope it does not come back," he said.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1327110/Bamber-takes-Im-innocent-campaign-off-internet.html
Jeremy Bambers current website run by the campaign team is IMO likely to be taken offline permanently in the near future.
Much of the material they have posted, especially in relations to Bamber's direct and indirect victims is abusive, harassing and indeed criminal.
I wonder if the Maldon Standard will report on that 8((()*/
https://www.kingsleynapley.co.uk/insights/blogs/criminal-law-blog/prison-sentence-following-victimless-prosecution-for-controlling-and-coercive-behaviour
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No she definitely isn’t Claire Powell. Wendy also has a Twitter acccount and I think Poppy Miller is in regular contact with her as they live in the same area. As you know Poppy is one of Jeremy’s staunchest supporters.
Wendy may have known Jeremy from the past which is why she reports on his case or it may be that she only does so because of the local connection to the case.
According to this Claire Powell was Bambers girlfriend *&^^&
"After he left college in 1978, Nevill paid for him to visit New Zealand and Australia. He became involved in some criminal activity in New Zealand including breaking into a jewellery shop. One of two luxury watches stolen from the shop he sent to his girlfriend, Claire Powell, in the UK. He also bragged to her that he was involved in heroin smuggling. He left New Zealand under a cloud, when friends of his were allegedly involved in an armed robbery according to his cousin. https://www.liedetectortest.uk/lie-detector-evidence-jeremy-bamber/
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According to this Claire Powell was Bambers girlfriend *&^^&
"After he left college in 1978, Nevill paid for him to visit New Zealand and Australia. He became involved in some criminal activity in New Zealand including breaking into a jewellery shop. One of two luxury watches stolen from the shop he sent to his girlfriend, Claire Powell, in the UK. He also bragged to her that he was involved in heroin smuggling. He left New Zealand under a cloud, when friends of his were allegedly involved in an armed robbery according to his cousin. https://www.liedetectortest.uk/lie-detector-evidence-jeremy-bamber/
That's wrong Steph, the watch was given to Sue Ford.
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That's wrong Steph, the watch was given to Sue Ford.
It was, yes.
Have you seen the site it's on? *&^^& flipping heck
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It was, yes.
Have you seen the site it's on? *&^^& flipping heck
Yeah - it's a load of bill hooks anyway, for such a test to have any impact, the person taking the test would have to have something to lose - Bamber had nothing to lose, he was already convicted.
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He phoned me one day and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to fund the latest forensic tests. He said they had already been done and just needed paying for. I refused so he became abusive and slammed down the phone. A few minutes later he phoned back and started being nice. When he realised I wasn’t going to give him the money he turned on me again.
After the phone call I rang the Governors office and reported him. I asked if they had a recording of the said phone call. They wouldn’t answer and suggested I contact the Ministry of Justice. I did this and all they did was send me a link on their policy of phone recording.
What is the point of reporting him formally. He is on a whole life tariff so nothing can make things worse. It probably hurt him more that he had lost a loyal friend.
You’ve reported him here Daisy 8((()*/
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According to this Claire Powell was Bambers girlfriend *&^^&
"After he left college in 1978, Nevill paid for him to visit New Zealand and Australia. He became involved in some criminal activity in New Zealand including breaking into a jewellery shop. One of two luxury watches stolen from the shop he sent to his girlfriend, Claire Powell, in the UK. He also bragged to her that he was involved in heroin smuggling. He left New Zealand under a cloud, when friends of his were allegedly involved in an armed robbery according to his cousin. https://www.liedetectortest.uk/lie-detector-evidence-jeremy-bamber/
On that site, they haven't even got his date of birth right!
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Yeah - it's a load of bill hooks anyway, for such a test to have any impact, the person taking the test would have to have something to lose - Bamber had nothing to lose, he was already convicted.
Adrian Prout confessed to killing his wife after denying it for years. He confessed after failing a lie detector test and finally helped the police to find where he had buried her.
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Adrian Prout confessed to killing his wife after denying it for years. He confessed after failing a lie detector test and finally helped the police to find where he had buried her.
He obviously had a conscience but there is generally an exception to a rule. Maybe he isn't a psychopath. 8((()*/
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He phoned me one day and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to fund the latest forensic tests. He said they had already been done and just needed paying for. I refused so he became abusive and slammed down the phone. A few minutes later he phoned back and started being nice. When he realised I wasn’t going to give him the money he turned on me again.
After the phone call I rang the Governors office and reported him. I asked if they had a recording of the said phone call. They wouldn’t answer and suggested I contact the Ministry of Justice. I did this and all they did was send me a link on their policy of phone recording.
What is the point of reporting him formally. He is on a whole life tariff so nothing can make things worse. It probably hurt him more that he had lost a loyal friend.
So, Jeremy Bamber WENT AHEAD with these pointless expensive forensic tests, WITHOUT ASKING Daisy but EXPECTING her to pay for them (useless as they were); phoned her demanding she pay up; Daisy refused; he then became ABUSIVE; slammed the phone down in rage; then realised he’d shown his true colours so called Daisy back, all nice just to try and persuade her to cough up the cash...then realised Daisy wasn’t budging so became NASTY again.
And some fools think he isn’t a sponging, using, deceitful, money-grabbing USER filled with HATE, ANGER and LOATHING?! WTH is WRONG with them?
“He phoned me one day and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to fund the latest forensic tests. He said they had already been done and just needed paying for. I refused so he became abusive and slammed down the phone. A few minutes later he phoned back and started being nice. When he realised I wasn’t going to give him the money he turned on me again.”
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Adrian Prout confessed to killing his wife after denying it for years. He confessed after failing a lie detector test and finally helped the police to find where he had buried her.
Wasn't he in jail at the time of his confession, having already been convicted of his wife's murder?
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Wasn't he in jail at the time of his confession, having already been convicted of his wife's murder?
Yes.
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It was, yes.
Have you seen the site it's on? *&^^& flipping heck
Can you send me a link?
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Can you send me a link?
The links in the original post here
According to this Claire Powell was Bambers girlfriend *&^^&
"After he left college in 1978, Nevill paid for him to visit New Zealand and Australia. He became involved in some criminal activity in New Zealand including breaking into a jewellery shop. One of two luxury watches stolen from the shop he sent to his girlfriend, Claire Powell, in the UK. He also bragged to her that he was involved in heroin smuggling. He left New Zealand under a cloud, when friends of his were allegedly involved in an armed robbery according to his cousin. https://www.liedetectortest.uk/lie-detector-evidence-jeremy-bamber/
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’Why Lie Detector Evidence hasn’t freed Jeremy Bamber Apr 16, 2018’
“Lie detector evidence is acceptable in many courts when accompanied by other corroborating evidence. What is fascinating is that it’s often used by police to help imprison people but seldom used to liberate prisoners.
The case of Jeremy Bamber, who has served over 30 years in prison, is intriguing to say the least. He was convicted in 1986 of shooting and killing five family members. The murders took place at the home of his adoptive parents, White House Farm, Tolleshunt D’Arcy, Essex. The victims included his parents, his adoptive sister and her two children.
From day one Bamber has protested his innocence and was convicted on largely circumstantial evidence.
Early life
Jeremy Bamber was born on 31 January 1961 as Jeremy Paul Marsham. His then single mother decided to put him up for adoption, following her affair with a Sergeant Major in the British Army. He was adopted by June and Nevill Bamber, wealthy farmers, when he was 6 months old.
Despite every effort being made to give him the best private education, Bamber didn’t do very well at school. This angered his father but Bamber went on to pass 7 O Levels at a Colchester College.
After he left college in 1978, Nevill paid for him to visit New Zealand and Australia. He became involved in some criminal activity in New Zealand including breaking into a jewellery shop. One of two luxury watches stolen from the shop he sent to his girlfriend, Claire Powell, in the UK. He also bragged to her that he was involved in heroin smuggling. He left New Zealand under a cloud, when friends of his were allegedly involved in an armed robbery according to his cousin.
Back in the UK, Bamber worked as a waiter and barman before returning to White House Farm to work for his father. He was allegedly unhappy with the low pay despite having been provided with a car and a cottage some 3 miles away. He wasn’t expected to pay rent and also owned an 8 per cent share in a nearby caravan site business that his family owned.
A short while before the tragedy it was alleged that Bamber had wrecked and stolen from the caravan business.
The motive the prosecution focused on was the fact that Bamber would benefit from a huge inheritance.
Lie Detector Evidence
In 2007, having been incarcerated for over 20 years Bamber took a lie detector test hoping it would help to prove he was innocent. The test lasted for almost 2 hours focussing mainly on 3 questions:
When asked if he had shot his family on 7 August 1985 he responded “no”.
Asked if he had shot 5 family members on the same date with an Anschutz rifle he again responded “no”.
When asked if he had been in the property when 5 family members were shot with an Anschutz rifle, his response was “no”.
Terry Mullins, an expert polygraph examiner, recorded “no deception indicated” (NID). He went further in proclaiming that he was convinced of Bamber’s innocence.
If lie detector evidence was acceptable on its own, Jeremy Bamber would not be in prison today. As it stands, with 3 failed appeals behind him liberation still eludes him.
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