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Title: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: John on March 17, 2013, 04:53:37 PM
There would appear to be some concern that Jeremy was more interested in flying off to New Zealand than taking part in the farm operations and especially in the harvest season.  Sort of puts an end to the grand  submission put forward that Jeremy loved farming and couldn't get enough of it.  As far as I can see the very opposite was true, he hated farming and couldn't get far enough away from it.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: John on March 17, 2013, 06:42:12 PM
Isn't it also interesting how the camp shop just happened to burn down?  It would seem that a lot of things just happened out of the blue when Jeremy was around.  Camp shop burning down and nobody brought to account for it, camp office burgled and ransacked and again nobody brought to account until miss Mugford began to talk.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Outlook on March 17, 2013, 06:50:20 PM
Isn't it also interesting how the camp shop just happened to burn down?  It would seem that a lot of things just happened out of the blue when Jeremy was around.  Camp shop burning down and nobody brought to account for it, camp office burgled and ransacked and again nobody brought to account until miss Mugford began to talk.

Yes I noticed that.  It was so very convenient.  But that is often the case with building work.   8)-)))
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: John on March 17, 2013, 06:59:23 PM
It has always been implied on the blue forum that the semi in Goldhanger was bought for Jeremy so that also appears to be a misnomer if Ann is to be believed.  She states that it was occupied by a Kate Foakes and her husband who was one of the farmworkers at the time.  Reading between the lines it appears that one or more within the family got the shove from the farm so that Jeremy could come into the business.  Seems they weren't too happy about it?
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Myster on March 17, 2013, 07:24:36 PM

Strange how Ann Eaton stated twice that Jeremy didn't show any interest in guns, yet in July 1985 he told the Eatons that he wanted to buy a five-shot automatic 12 bore shotgun. Ann asked him what he wanted that for as he didn't shoot and he replied that he fancied himself as a country squire and thought he might get into shooting. That sounds ominous and suspicious just a week or two before the murders.

He didn't bat an eyelid when there were rabbits or vermin to be shot around the farm either and at trial Anthony Pargeter claimed that as far as marksmanship was concerned, there was very little difference between them.

Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Milly on March 17, 2013, 07:44:32 PM
thank you for putting these up as i am not a member of the blue forum.   8@??)(
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: John on March 17, 2013, 08:20:27 PM
thank you for putting these up as i am not a member of the blue forum.   8@??)(

There are about 5 different statements in total and two by Peter as well but I don't want to swamp the forum by having too much up at the same time.  I have added another 10 pages for discussion.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Myster on March 17, 2013, 08:20:44 PM
thank you for putting these up as i am not a member of the blue forum.   8@??)(

I second that...  8@??)( ... thank you again John.  8((()*/
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: John on March 17, 2013, 08:42:20 PM
When commenting about the office break-in and the spare key which was left in the letterbox at the camp site Ann mentions trying to get the key herself and states that only a child or someone with a thin arm could have reached it.   Julie Mugford?
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Myster on March 17, 2013, 08:58:45 PM
When commenting about the office break-in and the spare key which was left in the letterbox at the camp site Ann mentions trying to get the key herself and states that only a child or someone with a thin arm could have reached it.   Julie Mugford?

There are other ways and means, particularly if the key was magnetic or on a steel keyring. I retrieved a bunch of keys down a drain once with a strong magnet on a piece of string. Could he have used a magnet tied to a stick?

Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: John on March 17, 2013, 10:27:43 PM
Wasn't it a bit of a scream that Jeremy Bamber was tasked with installing an electronic surveillance system at the caravan site just 6 weeks before he murdered everyone.  If only they had known that he was the one who robbed the joint in the first place and trashed it to make it look like a burglar had done it.

He must have been pissing himself at that one!
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Matthew Wyse on March 17, 2013, 10:39:38 PM
Wasn't it a bit of a scream that Jeremy Bamber was tasked with installing an electronic surveillance system at the caravan site just 6 weeks before he murdered everyone.  If only they had known that he was the one who robbed the joint in the first place and trashed it to make it look like a burglar had done it.

He must have been pissing himself at that one!

John to be fair Ann had her suspicions didn't she??  She kept some things from Jeremy as a matter of course according to what she says in her statement.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: John on March 17, 2013, 10:49:13 PM
Wasn't it a bit of a scream that Jeremy Bamber was tasked with installing an electronic surveillance system at the caravan site just 6 weeks before he murdered everyone.  If only they had known that he was the one who robbed the joint in the first place and trashed it to make it look like a burglar had done it.

He must have been pissing himself at that one!

John to be fair Ann had her suspicions didn't she??  She kept some things from Jeremy as a matter of course according to what she says in her statement.

Definitely, I think Ann was suspicious of him from the very start and rightly so.  It is interesting that the date of the first statement made by Ann was 8th September 1985 which was before Julie broke the news about the Osea break-in.

It gets better, Jeremy even suggested to Ann that his new girlfriend Julie (who had just robbed the caravan park office with him) might be interested in working running the camp shop.   @)(++(*

You couldn't make it up if you tried!
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Outlook on March 17, 2013, 11:29:30 PM
thank you for putting these up as i am not a member of the blue forum.   8@??)(

There are about 5 different statements in total and two by Peter as well but I don't want to swamp the forum by having too much up at the same time.  I have added another 10 pages for discussion.
These documents are very valuable and go a long way to countering the lies and fantasy elsewhere.  They clarify so much for me.

Also I think these are not all available on "Blue" or if they are they are plagued with "reproduction difficulties."
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: John on March 17, 2013, 11:29:35 PM
Interesting too that Jeremy sought to discuss with Ann the possibility of buying Vaulty Manor Farm which was then rented by granny Mabel Speakman and with money the Bamber family hoped to get from the Church of England by relinquishing the tenancy to White House Farm. 

Jeremy let slip that the piece of land measuring approximately 50 acres between Little Totham and Tolleshunt Major and which more or less bordered the caravan park was going to be sold in order to refurbish the Vaulty Manor farmhouse.  This was land that Ann had persuaded Nevill to buy and when she found out that the land had actually been bought by aunty June she was furious.

She puts in her statement that after the meeting with Jeremy she went home and tore down all the wallpaper in the toilet!!   @)(++(*

Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Outlook on March 17, 2013, 11:47:07 PM
Interesting too that Jeremy sought to discuss with Ann the possibility of buying Vaulty Manor Farm which was then rented by granny Mabel Speakman and with money the Bamber family hoped to get from the Church of England by relinquishing the tenancy to White House Farm. 

Jeremy let slip that the piece of land measuring approximately 50 acres between Little Totham and Tolleshunt Major and which more or less bordered the caravan park was going to be sold in order to refurbish the Vaulty Manor farmhouse.  This was land that Ann had persuaded Nevill to buy and when she found out that the land had actually been bought by aunty June she was furious.

She puts in her statement that after the meeting with Jeremy she went home and tore down all the wallpaper in the toilet!!   @)(++(*
If you choose to visit Jeremy that will be something to watch out for.  A visceral urge to redecorate your toilet.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: John on March 17, 2013, 11:52:51 PM
Interesting too that Jeremy sought to discuss with Ann the possibility of buying Vaulty Manor Farm which was then rented by granny Mabel Speakman and with money the Bamber family hoped to get from the Church of England by relinquishing the tenancy to White House Farm. 

Jeremy let slip that the piece of land measuring approximately 50 acres between Little Totham and Tolleshunt Major and which more or less bordered the caravan park was going to be sold in order to refurbish the Vaulty Manor farmhouse.  This was land that Ann had persuaded Nevill to buy and when she found out that the land had actually been bought by aunty June she was furious.

She puts in her statement that after the meeting with Jeremy she went home and tore down all the wallpaper in the toilet!!   @)(++(*
If you choose to visit Jeremy that will be something to watch out for.  A visceral urge to redecorate your toilet.


It would appear that there was a bit of cousin jealously going on there Outlook?
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Outlook on March 17, 2013, 11:56:24 PM
Interesting too that Jeremy sought to discuss with Ann the possibility of buying Vaulty Manor Farm which was then rented by granny Mabel Speakman and with money the Bamber family hoped to get from the Church of England by relinquishing the tenancy to White House Farm. 

Jeremy let slip that the piece of land measuring approximately 50 acres between Little Totham and Tolleshunt Major and which more or less bordered the caravan park was going to be sold in order to refurbish the Vaulty Manor farmhouse.  This was land that Ann had persuaded Nevill to buy and when she found out that the land had actually been bought by aunty June she was furious.

She puts in her statement that after the meeting with Jeremy she went home and tore down all the wallpaper in the toilet!!   @)(++(*
If you choose to visit Jeremy that will be something to watch out for.  A visceral urge to redecorate your toilet.


It would appear that there was a bit of cousin jealously going on there Outlook?

It certainly does.  Having a quick look on Google - Vaulty Manor Farm is certainly a spectacular property so I can see why she was upset.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: John on March 18, 2013, 12:15:28 AM
Have you seen what Vaulty Manor has now become?

The venue is owned by a Teresa Ward - Vaulty Manor Limited.


http://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=51.738241,0.728568&spn=0.001844,0.003449&t=h&z=18

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Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: John on March 18, 2013, 12:17:42 AM
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Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: John on March 18, 2013, 12:18:37 AM
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Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: John on March 18, 2013, 01:28:56 AM
Vaulty Manor Party - An Essex Films Showreel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cIXfVK5dCc&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: goatboy on March 18, 2013, 08:19:01 AM
I've never heard about the camp site shop burning down before. Was Jeremy behind it? A motive isn't immediately obvious except if he was somehow involved in the budget to rebuild it then of course this would have given him the opportunity to fiddle the books to make sure he received part of it personally. Remember he wouldn't have admitted to the burglary unless Julie hadn't revealed it. Interesting that he didn't deny this though-he could easily have said Julie made it up.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: puglove on March 18, 2013, 12:15:59 PM
I've never heard about the camp site shop burning down before. Was Jeremy behind it? A motive isn't immediately obvious except if he was somehow involved in the budget to rebuild it then of course this would have given him the opportunity to fiddle the books to make sure he received part of it personally. Remember he wouldn't have admitted to the burglary unless Julie hadn't revealed it. Interesting that he didn't deny this though-he could easily have said Julie made it up.

And isn't it interesting to note that June didn't want to hear any criticism of Sheila? Even at the risk of upsetting Ann.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 18, 2013, 01:45:48 PM
I've never heard about the camp site shop burning down before. Was Jeremy behind it? A motive isn't immediately obvious except if he was somehow involved in the budget to rebuild it then of course this would have given him the opportunity to fiddle the books to make sure he received part of it personally. Remember he wouldn't have admitted to the burglary unless Julie hadn't revealed it. Interesting that he didn't deny this though-he could easily have said Julie made it up.

And isn't it interesting to note that June didn't want to hear any criticism of Sheila? Even at the risk of upsetting Ann.

Ann appears to have been perturbed by aunty Junes reaction to what was an attempt to help matters.  If Sheila had to resort to using Anns phone as a means of trying to get in touch with her real mother then that shows that she couldn't or didn't want to do it from White House farm.  That for me suggests that June was against Sheila having contact with her birth mother.  Junes comment to Ann was certainly out of character.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 18, 2013, 03:48:11 PM
Do you think it was Jeremy's dream for the family to own their own home and farm rather than being tenant farmers?  He seemed to have been excited over the possibility or was it the thought of getting one over on Ann Eaton that excited him more?   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Matthew Wyse on March 18, 2013, 04:32:24 PM
Do you think it was Jeremy's dream for the family to own their own home and farm rather than being tenant farmers?  He seemed to have been excited over the possibility or was it the thought of getting one over on Ann Eaton that excited him more?   @)(++(*

Do you think that Julie Mugford had a quiet word in Ann's ear when they visited the mortuary after the shootings?  This would have been the perfect opportunity for her to sound out Ann and to drop a hint or two about the robbery at Osea.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: huggy on March 18, 2013, 06:29:19 PM
I've never heard about the camp site shop burning down before. Was Jeremy behind it? A motive isn't immediately obvious except if he was somehow involved in the budget to rebuild it then of course this would have given him the opportunity to fiddle the books to make sure he received part of it personally. Remember he wouldn't have admitted to the burglary unless Julie hadn't revealed it. Interesting that he didn't deny this though-he could easily have said Julie made it up.

He appears to be fair game for just about everything which went wrong and in some ways that is valid enough.  I don't think the jury would have believed he was capable of any of it unless Miss Mugford had told what was really going on.  The months of scheming and planning are very telling in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 19, 2013, 11:33:12 AM
Very interesting one and all.   I also have never seen it mentioned anywhere about the camp shop burning down?  Then again it is not the sort of thing our friend Tesko likes to publicize is it?

Can I mention a point which I found strange.  When Ann arrived at Goldhanger on the morning of the murders and saw Jeremy she remarked at how 'black' his hair was.  Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: John on March 19, 2013, 04:18:12 PM
Very interesting one and all.   I also have never seen it mentioned anywhere about the camp shop burning down?  Then again it is not the sort of thing our friend Tesko likes to publicize is it?

Can I mention a point which I found strange.  When Ann arrived at Goldhanger on the morning of the murders and saw Jeremy she remarked at how 'black' his hair was.  Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Sorry Dave, I didn't realise this was carried onto the next segment.  I have uploaded the next 10 pages, the comments in relation to Jeremy's appearance can be found at the bottom of page 20 and the top of page 21.

Ann seemed to have been rather taken aback by his appearance.  She said that the last time she saw him he had light brown hair but on seeing him at Goldhanger his skin colour appeared Pakistani or Italian.  I suppose she meant with a tan or sallow.

Ann speaks of a Directors meeting on 18 July 1985 at which Jeremy attended so his appearance changed after this time.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Myster on March 19, 2013, 05:44:09 PM
Very interesting one and all.   I also have never seen it mentioned anywhere about the camp shop burning down?  Then again it is not the sort of thing our friend Tesko likes to publicize is it?

Can I mention a point which I found strange.  When Ann arrived at Goldhanger on the morning of the murders and saw Jeremy she remarked at how 'black' his hair was.  Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Sorry Dave, I didn't realise this was carried onto the next segment.  I have uploaded the next 10 pages, the comments in relation to Jeremy's appearance can be found at the bottom of page 20 and the top of page 21.

Ann seemed to have been rather taken aback by his appearance.  She said that the last time she saw him he had light brown hair but on seeing him at Goldhanger his skin colour appeared Pakistani or Italian.  I suppose she meant with a tan or sallow.

Ann speaks of a Directors meeting on 18 July 1985 at which Jeremy attended so his appearance changed after this time.
He was probably planning ahead for his television appearance at the funeral.  8(0(*

Then again he was forever changing his hair to all colours of the rainbow (to match Julie's)... brown, blonde, reddy/orange at one stage according to Julie... she bought the dark brown dye for him in Boots on the Saturday before, but after he used it his hair turned out black and looked like a wig.

Didn't he use a sunbed at the cottage?  Probably envious of his mate Brett's ozzie suntan and tried to copy it, but stayed under too long !

Reading the third installment I can just picture Ann's face fuming with rage at the fantasy that her cousin was weaving to the police at the cottage.... and at the cross-examination she was giving him. It comes as no surprise that Stan Jones nicknamed her 'Miss Marple'.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Myster on March 19, 2013, 06:35:13 PM
When commenting about the office break-in and the spare key which was left in the letterbox at the camp site Ann mentions trying to get the key herself and states that only a child or someone with a thin arm could have reached it.   Julie Mugford?

Looking at period photos of the arm build of Ann and Julie, I'd say that Julie might have had even more difficulty than Ann in reaching for a key through the letter-box.

If the prospect of being rewarded with 900+ is in sight, then he wouldn't be afraid of getting a few scratches by forcing his arm through a narrow gap in order to reach a key. Wilkes noted that it was already tied to a piece of string, so it was possible he grabbed the string, then pulled the key out with it. He might even have hooked it with some bent wire that he took with him or found lying around.

It's another question which we'll never know the answer to.

Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Outlook on March 19, 2013, 07:34:27 PM
I find these statements most interesting and they give a very clear picture of the situation developing.  I have certainly read of Jeremy dyeing his hair before and he was questioned over the reason for this in his police interviews.  I have not heard of other people finding it so startling a change.  One thing is that Sunbeds tend to make Caucasians more "orange" rather than brown so maybe he was overusing suntanning cream?

Ann Eaton is certainly very clear in her statements and these were made immediately after the murders when most people would be very emotional and upset.  She was wise to note everything carefully.

I cannot believe the scene around the kitchen table.  A very serious family discussion is taking place involving the future of the children and Jeremy gets up and starts loading a gun?  It seems very odd behaviour which surely his father would have commented upon or even objected to?

I do not find the necessity of reaching through the letterbox at Osea Caravan Site important.  As one of the owners he would surely have his own key and not have to rely on reaching through letterboxes?  He might have said that is how he got in but that is not necessarily the case.  Also Julie was an interested party to the robbery so she may not be so reliable in this matter.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: goatboy on March 19, 2013, 08:22:06 PM
It has been inferred that dying his hair black was a ploy to make himself more inconspicuous so it was less likely he would be spotted on his way to the farm and back. I'm not so sure about that as it would have been dark enough anyway. But that's a theory that fits in with the prosecution case. He certainly seemed keen around this time to change his appearance (tanning, dying hair, experimenting with make up for the funeral to make himself look upset enough for the TV news) Maybe psychologists will have some ideas about why.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: puglove on March 19, 2013, 08:22:40 PM
I find these statements most interesting and they give a very clear picture of the situation developing.  I have certainly read of Jeremy dyeing his hair before and he was questioned over the reason for this in his police interviews.  I have not heard of other people finding it so startling a change.  One thing is that Sunbeds tend to make Caucasians more "orange" rather than brown so maybe he was overusing suntanning cream?

Ann Eaton is certainly very clear in her statements and these were made immediately after the murders when most people would be very emotional and upset.  She was wise to note everything carefully.

I cannot believe the scene around the kitchen table.  A very serious family discussion is taking place involving the future of the children and Jeremy gets up and starts loading a gun?  It seems very odd behaviour which surely his father would have commented upon or even objected to?

I do not find the necessity of reaching through the letterbox at Osea Caravan Site important.  As one of the owners he would surely have his own key and not have to rely on reaching through letterboxes?  He might have said that is how he got in but that is not necessarily the case.  Also Julie was an interested party to the robbery so she may not be so reliable in this matter.

I'm sure you're right, JB would have had his own set of keys, surely? It was at his suggestion that the money was placed in the safe that week, instead of straight into the bank as it usually was. And just a month before the site shop burned down a chalet was also burned to the ground. The police suspected arson. Another thing...Pam was distressed by the fact that, after the murders, JB never visited Mabel Speakman again, although he made a point of seeing her regularly until then.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Angelo222 on March 19, 2013, 08:40:46 PM
I find these statements most interesting and they give a very clear picture of the situation developing.  I have certainly read of Jeremy dyeing his hair before and he was questioned over the reason for this in his police interviews.  I have not heard of other people finding it so startling a change.  One thing is that Sunbeds tend to make Caucasians more "orange" rather than brown so maybe he was overusing suntanning cream?

Ann Eaton is certainly very clear in her statements and these were made immediately after the murders when most people would be very emotional and upset.  She was wise to note everything carefully.

I cannot believe the scene around the kitchen table.  A very serious family discussion is taking place involving the future of the children and Jeremy gets up and starts loading a gun?  It seems very odd behaviour which surely his father would have commented upon or even objected to?

I do not find the necessity of reaching through the letterbox at Osea Caravan Site important.  As one of the owners he would surely have his own key and not have to rely on reaching through letterboxes?  He might have said that is how he got in but that is not necessarily the case.  Also Julie was an interested party to the robbery so she may not be so reliable in this matter.

If I recall correctly didn't Julie admit in her statement that they got in by using the key which was in the letterbox?  I don't think she said who got it though?   8-)(--)
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Outlook on March 19, 2013, 09:50:57 PM
I find these statements most interesting and they give a very clear picture of the situation developing.  I have certainly read of Jeremy dyeing his hair before and he was questioned over the reason for this in his police interviews.  I have not heard of other people finding it so startling a change.  One thing is that Sunbeds tend to make Caucasians more "orange" rather than brown so maybe he was overusing suntanning cream?

Ann Eaton is certainly very clear in her statements and these were made immediately after the murders when most people would be very emotional and upset.  She was wise to note everything carefully.

I cannot believe the scene around the kitchen table.  A very serious family discussion is taking place involving the future of the children and Jeremy gets up and starts loading a gun?  It seems very odd behaviour which surely his father would have commented upon or even objected to?

I do not find the necessity of reaching through the letterbox at Osea Caravan Site important.  As one of the owners he would surely have his own key and not have to rely on reaching through letterboxes?  He might have said that is how he got in but that is not necessarily the case.  Also Julie was an interested party to the robbery so she may not be so reliable in this matter.

If I recall correctly didn't Julie admit in her statement that they got in by using the key which was in the letterbox?  I don't think she said who got it though?   8-)(--)

Page 14 of JMs statement of 10th Septemeber 1985 covers this point quite graphically.  JB got the key.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: puglove on March 20, 2013, 09:15:30 AM
I find these statements most interesting and they give a very clear picture of the situation developing.  I have certainly read of Jeremy dyeing his hair before and he was questioned over the reason for this in his police interviews.  I have not heard of other people finding it so startling a change.  One thing is that Sunbeds tend to make Caucasians more "orange" rather than brown so maybe he was overusing suntanning cream?

Ann Eaton is certainly very clear in her statements and these were made immediately after the murders when most people would be very emotional and upset.  She was wise to note everything carefully.

I cannot believe the scene around the kitchen table.  A very serious family discussion is taking place involving the future of the children and Jeremy gets up and starts loading a gun?  It seems very odd behaviour which surely his father would have commented upon or even objected to?

I do not find the necessity of reaching through the letterbox at Osea Caravan Site important.  As one of the owners he would surely have his own key and not have to rely on reaching through letterboxes?  He might have said that is how he got in but that is not necessarily the case.  Also Julie was an interested party to the robbery so she may not be so reliable in this matter.

If I recall correctly didn't Julie admit in her statement that they got in by using the key which was in the letterbox?  I don't think she said who got it though?   8-)(--)

Page 14 of JMs statement of 10th Septemeber 1985 covers this point quite graphically.  JB got the key.

I haven't read Julie's statements for a while. They remind me how obvious it was that, by the time JB killed the family, he'd got away with so much he literally thought he could get away with murder. Hence the arrogance, heartless behaviour and self-satisfied smirks.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: puglove on March 20, 2013, 09:26:02 AM
Hmm....just off the top of my head....

Bamber, Tracie Andrews, Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Huntley - all arrogant until their convictions.

Stefan Kiszko, Michael Stone, Barry George - all genuinely confused and frightened.

This is a job for Super-Jo!!
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: puglove on March 20, 2013, 12:56:47 PM
"The sensitive approach of a homosexual."  (It's a teensy bit sweary.)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rExr14OL1iU
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: puglove on March 20, 2013, 04:58:47 PM
Agh. A fat horse has just clunked me on the head with his chin. It hurts like buggery.

If only I'd been mauled by a lion.    8)><(
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Myster on March 20, 2013, 05:27:08 PM

So the blonde hair originated in Australia to throw police off the scent after he robbed two Cartier watches to give to Suzette Ford on his return home.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but was Ann Eaton thinking that if Jeremy was to answer the ringing phone in his dining room it would have taken him 2 or 3 minutes to get out of bed, and negotiate his narrow stairs to reach it... by which time Nevill would have already been attacked and therefore incapable of talking?

Two or three minutes seems an awfy long time to answer a phone though, even allowing for a short period to come round after being woken up.  >@@(*&)

Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: John on March 20, 2013, 07:29:56 PM
I don't want to flood the forum with transcripts and statements but if anyone want a preview of Jones', McDonald's or others, please let me know.
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Myster on March 20, 2013, 07:59:27 PM
I don't want to flood the forum with transcripts and statements but if anyone want a preview of Jones', McDonald's or others, please let me know.
We should be thankful for the ones you've put up so far... great job! 8@??)(
I hope to see the other docs you have posted eventually, I can wait... Thank you!  8((()*/

Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Iggy68 on March 23, 2013, 12:56:22 PM
I find these statements most interesting and they give a very clear picture of the situation developing.  I have certainly read of Jeremy dyeing his hair before and he was questioned over the reason for this in his police interviews.  I have not heard of other people finding it so startling a change.  One thing is that Sunbeds tend to make Caucasians more "orange" rather than brown so maybe he was overusing suntanning cream?

Ann Eaton is certainly very clear in her statements and these were made immediately after the murders when most people would be very emotional and upset.  She was wise to note everything carefully.

I cannot believe the scene around the kitchen table.  A very serious family discussion is taking place involving the future of the children and Jeremy gets up and starts loading a gun?  It seems very odd behaviour which surely his father would have commented upon or even objected to?

I do not find the necessity of reaching through the letterbox at Osea Caravan Site important.  As one of the owners he would surely have his own key and not have to rely on reaching through letterboxes?  He might have said that is how he got in but that is not necessarily the case.  Also Julie was an interested party to the robbery so she may not be so reliable in this matter.

I'm sure you're right, JB would have had his own set of keys, surely? It was at his suggestion that the money was placed in the safe that week, instead of straight into the bank as it usually was. And just a month before the site shop burned down a chalet was also burned to the ground. The police suspected arson. Another thing...Pam was distressed by the fact that, after the murders, JB never visited Mabel Speakman again, although he made a point of seeing her regularly until then.

 
Sounds like Tolleshunt D'Arcy and Heybridge were returned to safer places with JB in prison and out of the way
Title: Re: Discussion thread relating to Ann Eaton statements.
Post by: Myster on March 28, 2013, 07:42:00 PM

John... when you can spare the time do you think you could post the rest of Ann Eaton's statements and McDonald's interviews as well... Thank you in advance.