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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on April 30, 2020, 01:31:47 PM

Title: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 30, 2020, 01:31:47 PM
Of course those who believe JB responsible want to label him a psychopath as it would explain how someone who appeared 'normal' could carry out such a heinous crime and maintain innocence to this day.

But the fact is there's simply no evidence JB has at any time been diagnosed with psychopathy.  If there was those who hold such beliefs would produce some evidence but nothing other than a couple of sentences in a book published by Roger Wilkes and reiterated by CAL. 

According to RW a psychiatrist was present in defence counsel's chambers and he said Jeremy's 'very real belief that he didn't commit the crimes' is a sign of psychopathy. I've taken this from G-Unit's post quoting CAL.  If anyone has RW's book maybe they could quote the exact words.  I no longer have my copy.

A forensic psychologist diagnosed Stefan Kiszko in prison post trial as suffering from "delusions of innocence".  As we know he was later proved innocent.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Myster on April 30, 2020, 01:59:14 PM
Of course those who believe JB responsible want to label him a psychopath as it would explain how someone who appeared 'normal' could carry out such a heinous crime and maintain innocence to this day.

But the fact is there's simply no evidence JB has at any time been diagnosed with psychopathy.  If there was those who hold such beliefs would produce some evidence but nothing other than a couple of sentences in a book published by Roger Wilkes and reiterated by CAL. 

According to RW a psychiatrist was present in defence counsel's chambers and he said Jeremy's 'very real belief that he didn't commit the crimes' is a sign of psychopathy. I've taken this from G-Unit's post quoting CAL.  If anyone has RW's book maybe they could quote the exact words.  I no longer have my copy.

A forensic psychologist diagnosed Stefan Kiszko in prison post trial as suffering from "delusions of innocence".  As we know he was later proved innocent.
From "Blood Relations" by Roger Wilkes...
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: barrier on April 30, 2020, 02:06:55 PM
Of course those who believe JB responsible want to label him a psychopath as it would explain how someone who appeared 'normal' could carry out such a heinous crime and maintain innocence to this day.

But the fact is there's simply no evidence JB has at any time been diagnosed with psychopathy.  If there was those who hold such beliefs would produce some evidence but nothing other than a couple of sentences in a book published by Roger Wilkes and reiterated by CAL. 

According to RW a psychiatrist was present in defence counsel's chambers and he said Jeremy's 'very real belief that he didn't commit the crimes' is a sign of psychopathy. I've taken this from G-Unit's post quoting CAL.  If anyone has RW's book maybe they could quote the exact words.  I no longer have my copy.

A forensic psychologist diagnosed Stefan Kiszko in prison post trial as suffering from "delusions of innocence".  As we know he was later proved innocent.

I wish you wouldn't keep using Stefan Kitzko as an example Holly,he was done up like a kipper has as been pointed out many a time not least because he was infertile and the semen found on the victim contained sperm heads.

You think Bamber case match's up to miscarriage, theres not one piece of forensics that can deny he ever done it is there?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on April 30, 2020, 02:11:39 PM
I wish you wouldn't keep using Stefan Kitzko as an example Holly,he was done up like a kipper has as been pointed out many a time not least because he was infertile and the semen found on the victim contained sperm heads.

You think Bamber case match's up to miscarriage, theres not one piece of forensics that can deny he ever done it is there?

I keep saying that comparisons need to be like for like to have any validity.  8((()*/
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on April 30, 2020, 02:11:43 PM
Of course those who believe JB responsible want to label him a psychopath

Bamber was labelled a psychopath pre trial Holly
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 30, 2020, 02:11:58 PM
From "Blood Relations" by Roger Wilkes...

Thanks Myster.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 30, 2020, 02:14:13 PM
Bamber was labelled a psychopath pre trial Holly

By whom?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: APRIL on April 30, 2020, 02:15:41 PM
Of course those who believe JB responsible want to label him a psychopath as it would explain how someone who appeared 'normal' could carry out such a heinous crime and maintain innocence to this day.

But the fact is there's simply no evidence JB has at any time been diagnosed with psychopathy.  If there was those who hold such beliefs would produce some evidence but nothing other than a couple of sentences in a book published by Roger Wilkes and reiterated by CAL. 

According to RW a psychiatrist was present in defence counsel's chambers and he said Jeremy's 'very real belief that he didn't commit the crimes' is a sign of psychopathy. I've taken this from G-Unit's post quoting CAL.  If anyone has RW's book maybe they could quote the exact words.  I no longer have my copy.

A forensic psychologist diagnosed Stefan Kiszko in prison post trial as suffering from "delusions of innocence".  As we know he was later proved innocent.

So it's the fault of authors, for their lack of diligence about research, that you believe there to be no evidence of his psychopathy?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: APRIL on April 30, 2020, 02:17:29 PM
By whom?


For one, the assessing, pre trial psychiatrist.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 30, 2020, 02:19:19 PM
I wish you wouldn't keep using Stefan Kitzko as an example Holly,he was done up like a kipper has as been pointed out many a time not least because he was infertile and the semen found on the victim contained sperm heads.

You think Bamber case match's up to miscarriage, theres not one piece of forensics that can deny he ever done it is there?

Yes he was done up like a kipper and it took some 16 years to resolve.

You talk about forensics in JB's case in the same breath you mention the fact SK was done up like a kipper.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 30, 2020, 02:20:16 PM

For one, the assessing, pre trial psychiatrist.

Who was?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on April 30, 2020, 02:20:39 PM
Yes he was done up like a kipper and it took some 16 years to resolve.

You talk about forensics in JB's case in the same breath you mention the fact SK was done up like a kipper.

The two cases aren't like for like.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on April 30, 2020, 02:21:48 PM
Who was?

You’re sneaky Holly http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11438.msg587098#msg587098
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Common sense on April 30, 2020, 02:23:55 PM
It's not just that guilters like to assert he is a psychopath with scant evidence, it's that he continuously asserts that he isn't while providing no evidence whatsoever except a few cherry picked lines from a report he likes.

Confidentiality means no one that has assessed him could contradict what he claims.

What we do know is that it bothers him a great deal to be labelled as one, not least perhaps because it would further invalidate the already worthless results of his "lie detector" stunt.

Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 30, 2020, 02:27:09 PM
So it's the fault of authors, for their lack of diligence about research, that you believe there to be no evidence of his psychopathy?

Which authors are you referring to?  If the excerpts Myster has posted how does this equate to a diagnosis of psychopathy? 
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on April 30, 2020, 02:29:10 PM
It's not just that guilters like to assert he is a psychopath with scant evidence, it's that he continuously asserts that he isn't while providing no evidence whatsoever except a few cherry picked lines from a report he likes.

Confidentiality means no one that has assessed him could contradict what he claims.

What we do know is that it bothers him a great deal to be labelled as one, not least perhaps because it would further invalidate the already worthless results of his "lie detector" stunt.

Being faced with the accusation of being a psychopath makes him have to confront himself and the notion that others have sussed him out. He doesn't like that.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 30, 2020, 02:29:28 PM
You’re sneaky Holly http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11438.msg587098#msg587098

Please stop attempting to make trouble.  I have not edited any of your posts recently.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on April 30, 2020, 02:31:09 PM
Which authors are you referring to?  If the excerpts Myster has posted how does this equate to a diagnosis of psychopathy?

In what way does it not? Do you think the psychiatrist pulled the notion from the top of his head? Do you really believe (like others) that the defence would seek the psychiatrists services and not have him meet Bamber?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 30, 2020, 02:31:26 PM
It's not just that guilters like to assert he is a psychopath with scant evidence, it's that he continuously asserts that he isn't while providing no evidence whatsoever except a few cherry picked lines from a report he likes.

Confidentiality means no one that has assessed him could contradict what he claims.

What we do know is that it bothers him a great deal to be labelled as one, not least perhaps because it would further invalidate the already worthless results of his "lie detector" stunt.

I doubt the CT would be daft enough to quote a practicing psychologist if the info was in any way bogus.  It could backfire badly.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: APRIL on April 30, 2020, 02:32:15 PM
Which authors are you referring to?  If the excerpts Myster has posted how does this equate to a diagnosis of psychopathy?


Which were you referring to to?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on April 30, 2020, 02:33:40 PM
I doubt the CT would be daft enough to quote a practicing psychologist if the info was in any way bogus.  It could backfire badly.

Seriously?├ @)(++(*
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 30, 2020, 02:34:03 PM
In what way does it not? Do you think the psychiatrist pulled the notion from the top of his head? Do you really believe (like others) that the defence would seek the psychiatrists services and not have him meet Bamber?

In what was does it?  The defence sought the service of Dr Bradley re SC.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on April 30, 2020, 02:37:02 PM
In what was does it?  The defence sought the service of Dr Bradley re SC.

They sought the services of a psychiatrist that classified Bamber as a psychopath. You may not like it but there you go, denying it won't make it go away!
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 30, 2020, 02:40:05 PM
Seriously?├ @)(++(*

Of course.

If it came to the professors attention he was being misquoted on a website run on behalf of JB I think he would have something to say about it.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Common sense on April 30, 2020, 02:45:24 PM
I doubt the CT would be daft enough to quote a practicing psychologist if the info was in any way bogus.  It could backfire badly.

Do you mean like when they tried to claim CAL had only exchanged 5-6 letters with Bamber and that backfired badly?

I'm sure the quote is genuine but no one has seen any of his 27 assessments to be able to put it into context have they?

The entire M.O of his campaign is dishonestly misrepresenting evidence but sure, this time we can take his word for it. Seems legit.

Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on April 30, 2020, 02:52:43 PM
Of course.

If it came to the professors attention he was being misquoted on a website run on behalf of JB I think he would have something to say about it.

I was going to mention the disgraceful antics a few months back concerning CAL and the Bamber letters, however CS beat me to it. Still no apology - they haven't got that in them.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 30, 2020, 02:55:46 PM
Do you mean like when they tried to claim CAL had only exchanged 5-6 letters with Bamber and that backfired badly?

I'm sure the quote is genuine but no one has seen any of his 27 assessments to be able to put it into context have they?

The entire M.O of his campaign is dishonestly misrepresenting evidence but sure, this time we can take his word for it. Seems legit.

I honestly take no notice of any of it.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 30, 2020, 02:57:24 PM
I was going to mention the disgraceful antics a few months back concerning CAL and the Bamber letters, however CS beat me to it. Still no apology - they haven't got that in them.

Nothing to do with me. 
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Common sense on April 30, 2020, 03:31:36 PM
Nothing to do with me.

Do you think it's nothing to do with Bamber either?

You are ignoring all evidence of Bamber making dishonest claims as though it means nothing.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on April 30, 2020, 03:41:35 PM
Nothing to do with me.

I didn't say it was - but you did make comment in respect to the letters at the time.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: barrier on April 30, 2020, 03:49:21 PM
Yes he was done up like a kipper and it took some 16 years to resolve.

You talk about forensics in JB's case in the same breath you mention the fact SK was done up like a kipper.

Yes,it was either Sheila, which you believe or JB,what forensics along the line that I've shown as an example exonerates JB which exonerated Stefan?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on April 30, 2020, 04:07:59 PM
Yes,it was either Sheila, which you believe or JB,what forensics along the line that I've shown as an example exonerates JB which exonerated Stefan?

Or implicates SC.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on April 30, 2020, 04:20:10 PM
Of course those who believe JB responsible want to label him a psychopath as it would explain how someone who appeared 'normal' could carry out such a heinous crime and maintain innocence to this day.

But the fact is there's simply no evidence JB has at any time been diagnosed with psychopathy.  If there was those who hold such beliefs would produce some evidence but nothing other than a couple of sentences in a book published by Roger Wilkes and reiterated by CAL. 

According to RW a psychiatrist was present in defence counsel's chambers and he said Jeremy's 'very real belief that he didn't commit the crimes' is a sign of psychopathy. I've taken this from G-Unit's post quoting CAL.  If anyone has RW's book maybe they could quote the exact words.  I no longer have my copy.

A forensic psychologist diagnosed Stefan Kiszko in prison post trial as suffering from "delusions of innocence".  As we know he was later proved innocent.



I read the actual words of the prison psychiatrist who interviewed Jeremy over a period of months while on remand and he said “Jeremy Bamber is an irreverent liar and a psychopath. I believe he is guilty of killing his family”

I shall have to search for it, but unlike JB, I don’t lie and I’m telling you now, the psychiatrist (not a psychologist) diagnosed him as one.

If you don’t want to believe it, who cares? That’s up to you.

Maybe you’d rather think he’s just a greedy, cold-blooded killer? Because he definitely killed his family, and was found guilty.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on April 30, 2020, 04:28:16 PM
I doubt the CT would be daft enough to quote a practicing psychologist if the info was in any way bogus.  It could backfire badly.


Best laugh I’ve had! (&^& (&^& (&^&

As if any intelligent normal people take notice of the potty campaign team! *%87
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: John on April 30, 2020, 04:34:39 PM


I read the actual words of the prison psychiatrist who interviewed Jeremy over a period of months while on remand and he said “Jeremy Bamber is an irreverent liar and a psychopath. I believe he is guilty of killing his family”

I shall have to search for it, but unlike JB, I don’t lie and I’m telling you now, the psychiatrist (not a psychologist) diagnosed him as one.

If you don’t want to believe it, who cares? That’s up to you.

Maybe you’d rather think he’s just a greedy, cold-blooded killer? Because he definitely killed his family, and was found guilty.

I don't believe that greedy and cold-blooded would cut it. Someone would have to be a sandwich short of a picnic to do what Jeremy Bamber did that morning and thereafter claim that it was for his victims own benefit that he did it.  It takes a really warped mind to espouse such sentiments imo!
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Common sense on April 30, 2020, 05:24:43 PM

Best laugh I’ve had! (&^& (&^& (&^&

As if any intelligent normal people take notice of the potty campaign team! *%87

I take notice.

I know they don't deserve any attention but they work for him and I think the false impressions they create on his behalf say a lot about the man and his capacity for telling the truth.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on April 30, 2020, 05:29:12 PM
Seriously?├ @)(++(*

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Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: puglove on April 30, 2020, 07:35:02 PM
I take notice.

I know they don't deserve any attention but they work for him and I think the false impressions they create on his behalf say a lot about the man and his capacity for telling the truth.

I think that Bamber chooses plonkers on purpose.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 30, 2020, 07:52:07 PM
Yes,it was either Sheila, which you believe or JB,what forensics along the line that I've shown as an example exonerates JB which exonerated Stefan?

4 x 13 year old schoolgirls admitted lying at SK's trial "for a laugh".

The forensic evidence was fatally flawed. How was it established that SK's semen that didn't contain any sperm matched the semen at soc that contained sperm? 

Witnesses who claim they saw him elsewhere and could have provided an alibi were not called.

The police admitted they were wrong although as usual noone was held accountable or disciplined.

SK's mother thought the defence was poor and blamed his QC for the handling of the case.

The trial judge praised the police and 4 schoolgirls.

All. Of this took years to rectify and went before the CoA twice before it was rectified, SK acquitted and the true perp brought to justice. 

With the benefit of hindsight people can say now 'Oh I would have seen this was a MoJ' but this doesn't stand up given it dragged on for so long.  Apart from his mother and aunt I don't believe he had much support? 
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: barrier on April 30, 2020, 08:08:11 PM
4 x 13 year old schoolgirls admitted lying at SK's trial "for a laugh".

The forensic evidence was fatally flawed. How was it established that SK's semen that didn't contain any sperm matched the semen at soc that contained sperm? 

Witnesses who claim they saw him elsewhere and could have provided an alibi were not called.

The police admitted they were wrong although as usual noone was held accountable or disciplined.

SK's mother thought the defence was poor and blamed his QC for the handling of the case.

The trial judge praised the police and 4 schoolgirls.

All. Of this took years to rectify and went before the CoA twice before it was rectified, SK acquitted and the true perp brought to justice. 

With the benefit of hindsight people can say now 'Oh I would have seen this was a MoJ' but this doesn't stand up given it dragged on for so long.  Apart from his mother and aunt I don't believe he had much support?
No one saw JB elsewhere he has no alibi,his DNA is bound to be in the house,he has no mother to protest his innocence,apples and pears.Stefan was promised he would be home to see his mum if he confessed,he had no solicitor in with him,how is this comparable with what you reckon to be the MOJ in Bambers case?

Bambers alibi is a non existent, uncorroborated phone call.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 30, 2020, 09:27:39 PM
No one saw JB elsewhere he has no alibi,his DNA is bound to be in the house,he has no mother to protest his innocence,apples and pears.Stefan was promised he would be home to see his mum if he confessed,he had no solicitor in with him,how is this comparable with what you reckon to be the MOJ in Bambers case?

Bambers alibi is a non existent, uncorroborated phone call.

SK was convicted on bogus forensics - same as JB.
Anf
Unreliable testimony from prosecution witnesses - same as JB
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on April 30, 2020, 09:28:39 PM
SK was convicted on bogus forensics - same as JB.
Anf
Unreliable testimony from prosecution witnesses - same as JB

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Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on April 30, 2020, 09:58:15 PM
SK was convicted on bogus forensics - same as JB.
Anf
Unreliable testimony from prosecution witnesses - same as JB

How reliable was the evidence about the kitchen window lock being faulty as told by JM at trial? In your opinion-  or the evidence about SC shooting herself twice, and Neville having been shot- making a phone call to JB?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on May 01, 2020, 04:33:20 AM
SK was convicted on bogus forensics - same as JB.
Anf
Unreliable testimony from prosecution witnesses - same as JB

BS.

You’ve picked a man who was an actual MOJ; who had learning difficulties, a low IQ, and the girls who found it funny to lie were young 14-year-old girls who didn’t have the maturity or sense to realise the seriousness of their story.

SK is the polar opposite of psychopathic Bamber.

Bamber was a brash, evil, extrovert. A 24-year-old man with no learning difficulties who was greedy, grasping and pre-planned the murders to get his paws on all that money.  Julie Mugford wasn’t a sill 14-year-old juvenile: she was a 22-year-old trainee schoolteacher, who’d been his serious girlfriend for two years.

You can’t compare the cases at all! They’re COMPLETELY different! You’re actually besmirching SK by comparing him to Jeremy Bamber! ! You constantly try to put Bamber into SK’s shoes to try and elicit sympathy for him. I know what you’re doing and so does everyone else.

Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on May 01, 2020, 04:39:51 AM
I don't believe that greedy and cold-blooded would cut it. Someone would have to be a sandwich short of a picnic to do what Jeremy Bamber did that morning and thereafter claim that it was for his victims own benefit that he did it.  It takes a really warped mind to espouse such sentiments imo!

Oh, I know that, John.

I was offering Holly two options: if she doesn’t believe he’s a psychopath the only other thing he could be is a cold blooded greedy murderer. But as we all know, cold blooded killers are psychopaths anyway...

So she can’t keep denying he’s a psychopath when he’s proved he is, regardless of his stupid little test paper he paid a psychologist to do and chose the obvious answers to make himself sound normal.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on May 01, 2020, 04:41:37 AM
I think that Bamber chooses plonkers on purpose.

Plonkers... @)(++(*
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on May 01, 2020, 05:46:13 AM
Of course those who believe JB responsible want to label him a psychopath as it would explain how someone who appeared 'normal' could carry out such a heinous crime and maintain innocence to this day.

But the fact is there's simply no evidence JB has at any time been diagnosed with psychopathy.  If there was those who hold such beliefs would produce some evidence but nothing other than a couple of sentences in a book published by Roger Wilkes and reiterated by CAL. 

According to RW a psychiatrist was present in defence counsel's chambers and he said Jeremy's 'very real belief that he didn't commit the crimes' is a sign of psychopathy. I've taken this from G-Unit's post quoting CAL.  If anyone has RW's book maybe they could quote the exact words.  I no longer have my copy.

A forensic psychologist diagnosed Stefan Kiszko in prison post trial as suffering from "delusions of innocence".  As we know he was later proved innocent.

Holly,

Your quote below:




Of course those who believe JB responsible want to label him a psychopath as it would explain how someone who appeared 'normal' could carry out such a heinous crime and maintain innocence to this day.




Has it not dawned on you that Jeremy Bamber has been CONVICTED of murdering his family?

There’s no “want to believe “ about it — it’s a fact. He killed his family and that’s why he was found guilty.  He’s also been diagnosed a psychopath by a consultant psychiatrist, so why wouldn’t normal people believe an expert? Why would normal people believe a small group of general misfits who have some kind of warped obsession with a mass murderer, which suggests they’re suffering from an undiagnosed mental condition?

You constantly berate one of his victims, Sheila, who was diagnosed with mild schizophrenia. You denigrate her, make unkind slurs, and make up disgraceful lies about her. She can’t defend herself because she’s dead, killed by the man YOU seem besotted with. Your bio, saying “Seeking justice for Sheila and Jeremy”, doesn’t make sense. Why do you besmirch her if you supposedly feel sorry for her? You’ve deliberately written that to try and look unbiased, when you’re anything but.

Besides, Sheila got justice when Jeremy Bamber was convicted of her murder: so how exactly are you hoping to get justice for her now? What’s your intention?

Did you know that the chances of being murdered by a schizophrenic is 14 million to one? And that’s if they’re NOT taking their medication. Sheila was taking hers, as you well know, so those odds of 14M to one would be even greater. I’ll give you another statistic: schizophrenics have actually more chance of being a VICTIM of murder. Furthermore, when schizophrenics are on medication they can live perfectly normal lives — and Sheila only had MILD schizophrenia.

Back to the convicted murderer, Jeremy Bamber, it’s YOU who doesn’t want to believe he’s a psychopath. It crushes you to accept he is, and that suggests you have some kind of emotional feelings for him which I believe are not just abnormal but totally abhorrent.

You don’t have to answer any of my questions, but I’m curious to know why you’ve devoted years of your life defending a mass murderer when you barely even know him? Anyone can write letters and say anything they want, but that doesn’t mean you know what goes on inside their head. You should think about that...
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: barrier on May 01, 2020, 06:58:46 AM
SK was convicted on bogus forensics - same as JB.
Anf
Unreliable testimony from prosecution witnesses - same as JB
And Kennedy was shot from the grassy knoll,the moon landings were fake.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 01, 2020, 10:40:21 AM
Holly,

Your quote below:




Of course those who believe JB responsible want to label him a psychopath as it would explain how someone who appeared 'normal' could carry out such a heinous crime and maintain innocence to this day.




Has it not dawned on you that Jeremy Bamber has been CONVICTED of murdering his family?

There’s no “want to believe “ about it — it’s a fact. He killed his family and that’s why he was found guilty.  He’s also been diagnosed a psychopath by a consultant psychiatrist, so why wouldn’t normal people believe an expert? Why would normal people believe a small group of general misfits who have some kind of warped obsession with a mass murderer, which suggests they’re suffering from an undiagnosed mental condition?

You constantly berate one of his victims, Sheila, who was diagnosed with mild schizophrenia. You denigrate her, make unkind slurs, and make up disgraceful lies about her. She can’t defend herself because she’s dead, killed by the man YOU seem besotted with. Your bio, saying “Seeking justice for Sheila and Jeremy”, doesn’t make sense. Why do you besmirch her if you supposedly feel sorry for her? You’ve deliberately written that to try and look unbiased, when you’re anything but.

Besides, Sheila got justice when Jeremy Bamber was convicted of her murder: so how exactly are you hoping to get justice for her now? What’s your intention?

Did you know that the chances of being murdered by a schizophrenic is 14 million to one? And that’s if they’re NOT taking their medication. Sheila was taking hers, as you well know, so those odds of 14M to one would be even greater. I’ll give you another statistic: schizophrenics have actually more chance of being a VICTIM of murder. Furthermore, when schizophrenics are on medication they can live perfectly normal lives — and Sheila only had MILD schizophrenia.

Back to the convicted murderer, Jeremy Bamber, it’s YOU who doesn’t want to believe he’s a psychopath. It crushes you to accept he is, and that suggests you have some kind of emotional feelings for him which I believe are not just abnormal but totally abhorrent.

You don’t have to answer any of my questions, but I’m curious to know why you’ve devoted years of your life defending a mass murderer when you barely even know him? Anyone can write letters and say anything they want, but that doesn’t mean you know what goes on inside their head. You should think about that...

The fact JB was convicted in a court of law of murdering his family has nothing to do with the fact there's no evidence an appropriately qualified person has diagnosed him with psychopathy.

I reject your claims I denigrate SC.  In this case the perp can only have been 1 of 2: JB or SC.  The fact I believe JB innocent by definition means I think SC was responsible on the grounds of diminished responsibility due to her mental state.  

I wouldn't concern yourself with my motivations.  I'm not concerned with the motivations of those here who spend hours day in and day out posting about how guilty JB is when he's been in jail for nearly 35 years, serving a whole life tarrif and according to these people will never see the light of day again other than in the exercise yard and a barred window!
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 01, 2020, 10:42:07 AM
And Kennedy was shot from the grassy knoll,the moon landings were fake.

And the earth was flat.  And your point is?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 01, 2020, 10:55:01 AM
If evidence existed pre trial JB had been diagnosed with psychopathy why didn't the trial judge use such in his sentencing remarks?  Eg as follows:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2020-04-29/sadistic-psychopath-who-murdered-cambridgeshire-teenager-in-1987-jailed-for-earlier-rape/
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 01, 2020, 11:03:22 AM
Holly,

Your quote below:




Of course those who believe JB responsible want to label him a psychopath as it would explain how someone who appeared 'normal' could carry out such a heinous crime and maintain innocence to this day.




Has it not dawned on you that Jeremy Bamber has been CONVICTED of murdering his family?

There’s no “want to believe “ about it — it’s a fact. He killed his family and that’s why he was found guilty.  He’s also been diagnosed a psychopath by a consultant psychiatrist, so why wouldn’t normal people believe an expert? Why would normal people believe a small group of general misfits who have some kind of warped obsession with a mass murderer, which suggests they’re suffering from an undiagnosed mental condition?

You constantly berate one of his victims, Sheila, who was diagnosed with mild schizophrenia. You denigrate her, make unkind slurs, and make up disgraceful lies about her. She can’t defend herself because she’s dead, killed by the man YOU seem besotted with. Your bio, saying “Seeking justice for Sheila and Jeremy”, doesn’t make sense. Why do you besmirch her if you supposedly feel sorry for her? You’ve deliberately written that to try and look unbiased, when you’re anything but.

Besides, Sheila got justice when Jeremy Bamber was convicted of her murder: so how exactly are you hoping to get justice for her now? What’s your intention?

Did you know that the chances of being murdered by a schizophrenic is 14 million to one? And that’s if they’re NOT taking their medication. Sheila was taking hers, as you well know, so those odds of 14M to one would be even greater. I’ll give you another statistic: schizophrenics have actually more chance of being a VICTIM of murder. Furthermore, when schizophrenics are on medication they can live perfectly normal lives — and Sheila only had MILD schizophrenia.

Back to the convicted murderer, Jeremy Bamber, it’s YOU who doesn’t want to believe he’s a psychopath. It crushes you to accept he is, and that suggests you have some kind of emotional feelings for him which I believe are not just abnormal but totally abhorrent.

You don’t have to answer any of my questions, but I’m curious to know why you’ve devoted years of your life defending a mass murderer when you barely even know him? Anyone can write letters and say anything they want, but that doesn’t mean you know what goes on inside their head. You should think about that...

And you talk about statistics but what are the chances of a family created by adoption ie no shared genes whereby:

- The adoptive mother develops mental illness pre and post adoption.  The pre apparently bound up with her infertility and the early post apparently bound up with her decision to adopt.

- The adopted daughter develops mental illness

- The adopted son was found guilty in a court of law of murdering 5 members of his adoptive family and according to those here is a psychopath.

- No evidence of any mental illness or criminality in the birth families of June, SC or JB.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on May 01, 2020, 12:32:18 PM
If evidence existed pre trial JB had been diagnosed with psychopathy why didn't the trial judge use such in his sentencing remarks?  Eg as follows:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2020-04-29/sadistic-psychopath-who-murdered-cambridgeshire-teenager-in-1987-jailed-for-earlier-rape/

The defence obviously didn't share.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: G-Unit on May 01, 2020, 01:12:07 PM
The defence obviously didn't share.

Except, allegedly, with Roger Wilkes.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on May 01, 2020, 01:16:02 PM
Except, allegedly, with Roger Wilkes.

Exactly, it would have made no difference at that point - Bamber was convicted. Why would the defence enter such evidence?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: G-Unit on May 01, 2020, 01:37:49 PM
Exactly, it would have made no difference at that point - Bamber was convicted. Why would the defence enter such evidence?

A rumour spread by Wilkes is not evidence of psychopathy. Until evidence is found referring to Jeremy Bamber as a psychopath is not correct.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on May 01, 2020, 01:52:02 PM
A rumour spread by Wilkes is not evidence of psychopathy. Until evidence is found referring to Jeremy Bamber as a psychopath is not correct.


Evidence has been established.

And not just by the prison psychiatrist...his own defence psychiatrist said he was a psychopath, which is why the defence withheld that information.

As to Holly’s question why the judge didn’t tell the jury of his psychopathy was that he didn’t want to influence their decision — he was being very fair to him. Regarding the other cases that Holly always likes to bring up, I know nothing about it so can’t comment, nor am I interested. However, I do know the law changed some years ago and whereas before courts couldn’t tell juries about the accused “previous” etc, they can do now and have done for a good few years.


Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on May 01, 2020, 01:59:03 PM
The fact JB was convicted in a court of law of murdering his family has nothing to do with the fact there's no evidence an appropriately qualified person has diagnosed him with psychopathy.

I reject your claims I denigrate SC.  In this case the perp can only have been 1 of 2: JB or SC.  The fact I believe JB innocent by definition means I think SC was responsible on the grounds of diminished responsibility due to her mental state.   

I wouldn't concern yourself with my motivations.  I'm not concerned with the motivations of those here who spend hours day in and day out posting about how guilty JB is when he's been in jail for nearly 35 years, serving a whole life tarrif and according to these people will never see the light of day again other than in the exercise yard and a barred window!


And I reject your denial that you denigrate Sheila. Look back at some of your posts...everyone’s seen the nasty things you’ve said, the inferences and outright lies imo.

You claim there could have only been two perps, but besides Sheila having no motive Jeremy had already told Julie what his motive was: MONEY.   AND forensics, doctors, and police established Sheila couldn’t have committed these heinous crimes — which only left Jeremy Bamber. And he was found GUILTY!

Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Eleanor on May 01, 2020, 02:03:32 PM

Anymore accusations of lies against another Member and I will start Deleting.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on May 01, 2020, 02:13:23 PM
And you talk about statistics but what are the chances of a family created by adoption ie no shared genes whereby:

- The adoptive mother develops mental illness pre and post adoption.  The pre apparently bound up with her infertility and the early post apparently bound up with her decision to adopt.

- The adopted daughter develops mental illness

- The adopted son was found guilty in a court of law of murdering 5 members of his adoptive family and according to those here is a psychopath.

- No evidence of any mental illness or criminality in the birth families of June, SC or JB.


For some reason you bang on about adoption but conveniently forget to say that the majority of adoptions are successful and the children grow up into happy, stable adults. You seem to think nurture plays no role in how a child develops, and that has nothing to do with genetics. Look at all the other infamous mass murderers who were raised by their biological parents and how their siblings are normal while they’re the only one with psychopathy.

You’re also forgetting that some children are brought up in appalling circumstances; they’re neglected, abused, beaten...but they don’t become mass murderers.

You’re also forgetting that Schizophrenia cannot be caused by nurture: it’s a mental illness that happens just like any other. Likewise, psychopathy isn’t caused by nurture. So all your constant over-egging “adoption” has no bearing on Jeremy killing them all.



Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Angelo222 on May 01, 2020, 02:49:50 PM
I spy and Holly.  Let's please keep personal comments out of the debate guys. Thanks.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on May 01, 2020, 05:32:39 PM
If evidence existed pre trial JB had been diagnosed with psychopathy why didn't the trial judge use such in his sentencing remarks?  Eg as follows:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2020-04-29/sadistic-psychopath-who-murdered-cambridgeshire-teenager-in-1987-jailed-for-earlier-rape/
Out of interest (and I genuinely don’t know the answer to this) but has a diagnosis of “psychopath “ ever been used in evidence against any defendant ever, or is it not considered relevant in a court of law?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 01, 2020, 05:38:10 PM
Out of interest (and I genuinely don’t know the answer to this) but has a diagnosis of “psychopath “ ever been used in evidence against any defendant ever, or is it not considered relevant in a court of law?

Sentencing remarks of The Honourable Mr Justice Sweeney Kt in R v Benjamin Luke Field

I have no doubt, based on the evidence at trial and the Reports of the Consultant Psychiatrists, that throughout the 4 years of your offending you had, and still have, a Personality Disorder which, whether classified as Dissocial (Psychopathic) Personality Disorder (Dr Alcock) or Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Dr Joseph), included a lack of empathy, a callous lack of concern for the feelings of others, and an incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Sentencing-Remarks-R-v-Field-FINALdocx.pdf
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 01, 2020, 05:43:30 PM
If evidence existed pre trial JB had been diagnosed with psychopathy why didn't the trial judge use such in his sentencing remarks?  Eg as follows:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2020-04-29/sadistic-psychopath-who-murdered-cambridgeshire-teenager-in-1987-jailed-for-earlier-rape/

Why weren’t Barry George’s long list of PD’s used at his first murder trial?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on May 02, 2020, 10:17:47 PM
Why weren’t Barry George’s long list of PD’s used at his first murder trial?


I’ve never followed Barry George’s case, Nicholas, so I can’t comment on it

He clearly has mental health issues; I didn’t know he had a PD too

I know little about him, although I remember he was obsessed with Jill  Dando.

The little I have read about him is that he seemed incapable of assassinating Jill on her doorstep, but why were the police so focussed on him, I wonder, when they must have realised that too?

Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: mrswah on May 03, 2020, 01:58:28 AM

I’ve never followed Barry George’s case, Nicholas, so I can’t comment on it

He clearly has mental health issues; I didn’t know he had a PD too

I know little about him, although I remember he was obsessed with Jill  Dando.

The little I have read about him is that he seemed incapable of assassinating Jill on her doorstep, but why were the police so focussed on him, I wonder, when they must have realised that too?

As far as I recall (and I might be wrong), he had been seen hanging around in the area at the time, and the police found he had collected newspaper articles etc about Jill Dando at his home. Also, they had no other suspects.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on May 03, 2020, 02:20:22 AM
As far as I recall (and I might be wrong), he had been seen hanging around in the area at the time, and the police found he had collected newspaper articles etc about Jill Dando at his home. Also, they had no other suspects.

They also found a speck of gunshot residue in the pocket of one of his jackets.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Common sense on May 03, 2020, 12:30:18 PM
They also found a speck of gunshot residue in the pocket of one of his jackets.

He was also a convicted rapist, a stalker, a pathological liar and had an interest in firearms, he once fired a gun down the hallway of one of his friends houses ( so I heard)

He was and remains the most likely suspect IMO but I have to accept that he didn't do it or MDB will sue me!
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on May 04, 2020, 10:43:17 AM
He was also a convicted rapist, a stalker, a pathological liar and had an interest in firearms, he once fired a gun down the hallway of one of his friends houses ( so I heard)

He was and remains the most likely suspect IMO but I have to accept that he didn't do it or MDB will sue me!


Was Barry George a convicted rapist?! I never knew that.

I know he was a fantasist and pathological liar: he used to hire limousines to go and sit outside the late Freddie Mercury‘s house and would tell fans who were outside that he was Freddie’s cousin. That takes effort in my opinion.

I remember reading that someone tried to get Jill’s electricity bill details before she was killed — which suggests she was being stalked. An assassin wouldn’t bother to do that.

And he did a speck of gunshot powder get into his jacket pocket?

It’s all very strange.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 04, 2020, 10:47:38 AM

Was Barry George a convicted rapist?! I never knew that.

I know he was a fantasist and pathological liar: he used to hire limousines to go and sit outside the late Freddie Mercury‘s house and would tell fans who were outside that he was Freddie’s cousin. That takes effort in my opinion.

I remember reading that someone tried to get Jill’s electricity bill details before she was killed — which suggests she was being stalked. An assassin wouldn’t bother to do that.

And he did a speck of gunshot powder get into his jacket pocket?

It’s all very strange.

There's a board here dedicated to the case:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=106.0
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 04, 2020, 10:48:19 AM
Why weren’t Barry George’s long list of PD’s used at his first murder trial?

And apparently a ‘single fibre of grey-blue polyester’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/01/jilldando.ukcrime2

Why was Barry George concerned about looking like the police photofit on the day of Jill Dando's murder if it wasn’t released until 4 days after?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 04, 2020, 10:49:18 AM
He was also a convicted rapist, a stalker, a pathological liar and had an interest in firearms, he once fired a gun down the hallway of one of his friends houses ( so I heard)

He was and remains the most likely suspect IMO but I have to accept that he didn't do it or MDB will sue me!

Hamish Campbell indicated to this in the BBC’s ‘The Jill Dando Documentary’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0003w40

You don’t

&

No she won’t

Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 04, 2020, 10:50:56 AM
If anyone wishes to discuss the BG case there's a separate board here:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=106.0
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 04, 2020, 10:53:49 AM
If anyone wishes to discuss the BG case there's a separate board here:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=106.0

My question to you was and is relevant to this thread Holly

You posted

If evidence existed pre trial JB had been diagnosed with psychopathy why didn't the trial judge use such in his sentencing remarks?  Eg as follows:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2020-04-29/sadistic-psychopath-who-murdered-cambridgeshire-teenager-in-1987-jailed-for-earlier-rape/

Why weren’t Barry George’s long list of PD’s used at his first murder trial?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on May 04, 2020, 02:13:01 PM
And apparently a ‘single fibre of grey-blue polyester’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/01/jilldando.ukcrime2

Why was Barry George concerned about looking like the police photofit on the day of Jill Dando's murder if it wasn’t released until 4 days after?


Can’t see Dr Alan Farthing shopping at C&A...

And as Barry George had the identical trousers...plus gun residue in his pocket identical to the gun that killed Jill Dando...

Sounds highly suspicious to me.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 04, 2020, 02:14:56 PM

Can’t see Dr Alan Farthing shopping at C&A...

And as Barry George had the identical trousers...plus gun residue in his pocket identical to the gun that killed Jill Dando...

Sounds highly suspicious to me.

Not sure how many specks of identical GSR were found inside his pocket - think Hamish Campbell said 4 ?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on May 04, 2020, 03:40:24 PM
Not sure how many specks of identical GSR were found inside his pocket - think Hamish Campbell said 4 ?

I shall pop over to that board at some point, Nicholas

It sounds deeply troubling!

Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 04, 2020, 04:03:20 PM
I shall pop over to that board at some point, Nicholas

It sounds deeply troubling!

Suspect it is for Michelle Diskin Bates and her brother Barry
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 08, 2020, 10:38:04 AM
I'm not really interested in speculating what might or might not be in JB's prison file.  No more than I'm interested in speculating what might or might not be in non-disclosed files that JB/CT bang on about it.

So running with evidence we have re JB and psychopathy we have an excerpt from a book as attached v an excerpt from the CT:

Psychological Reports
Information on this web site was first uploaded to the internet in December 2011.

Psychological Reports

Popular belief has always been that Jeremy Bamber has psychopathy.  In truth Jeremy Bamber has been examined by over 27 different psychologists, none of them have found him to have a personality disorder of any variety, nor any mental illness, nor any indication of psychopathy.

Jeremy Bamber is and always has been psychologically well adjusted especially considering the psychological trauma he suffered as a result of losing his family in such tragic circumstance, being hounded by the media and being falsely accused and convicted as a family annihilator.

Professor Vincent Egan, BSc. (Hons).,Ph.D., D. Clin. Psy. Chartered Clinical Psychologist, Chartered Forensic Psychologist, Senior Lecturer in Forensic Psychology, University of Leicester, recently carried out a psychological assessment of Jeremy Bamber for a category A risk assessment review and he stated in his 14 page report:

 “Jeremy has been previously assessed using the PCL-R and found non-psychopathic. My own assessment also found he did not meet caseness for clinical psychopathy, or even mild psychopathy.” He goes on to state “He did not meet caseness for any of the personality disorder dimensions.”

It has also been further suggested that Jeremy Bamber has used “Impression Management” to dupe the assessor into believing he has no psychopathy, nevertheless Professor Egan applied further tests to take this into account and noted:

“To examine whether Jeremy was exaggerating how he presented himself, he also completed the BIDR (Paulus, 1998). On this measure Jeremy was within the low-normal range for impression management and self-deception enhancement. These results suggest he was not presenting himself in an excessively anodyne way to bias the assessor.”

Professor Egan comments, “These findings suggest it is hard to sustain the view that Jeremy Bamber is so expert in deceptive self-presentation as to maintain this front for over a variety of different assessors, different assessment instruments and different times” 

The assessment concludes with “Dangerous violent persons tend to be angry, alienated, impulsive and out of control, and none of these qualities appear to reflect Mr Bamber. Quite what the motive would be for something like the index offence being carried out by Mr Bamber again is very speculative, as is the proposition in the first place.”


https://jeremybamber.org/
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 08, 2020, 10:41:56 AM
I'm not really interested in speculating what might or might not be in JB's prison file.

We’re not speculating Holly

Pre trial Bamber would have had an assessment carried out

Ask him

A psychiatrist diagnosed him as a psychopath
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 08, 2020, 10:58:22 AM

 In truth Jeremy Bamber has been examined by over 27 different psychologists
https://jeremybamber.org/

What are the names of the ’over 27 different psychologists’ Holly; do you know?

And why have the CT used the number 27 as opposed to the actual number Bamber has claimed have assessed him?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 08, 2020, 10:59:54 AM


So running with evidence we have re JB and psychopathy we have an excerpt from a book as attached v an excerpt from the CT:


Hardly evidence Holly
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 08, 2020, 11:00:54 AM

Jeremy Bamber is and always has been psychologically well adjusted

His letters to CC suggest otherwise

They are reproduced in Colins book. The first letter is dated 16 August 1988

"DEAR COLIN

I READ THE ARTICLE IN YESTERDAY'S INDEPENDENT WITH MUCH SADNESS,THE SAME SADNESS I ALWAYS FEEL WHEN I READ ABOUT YOU AND WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.

YOUR LETTER TODAY,COLIN,WAS I'M AFRAID A TOUCH PREMATURE.YOU'RE WRITING TO ME HOPING,I GUESS,FOR THE LAST FEW PIECES OF THE JIGSAW SO THAT YOU MAY HOLD THE PICTURE OF WHAT HAPPENED IS NOT POSSIBLE. IF I COULD FURNISH YOU WITH WHAT YOU WANTED THEN I WOULD GLADLY DO SO-WHATEVER HAPPENED THAT FATEFUL NIGHT WILL NEVER BE FULLY EXPLAINED,IN FACT YOU COULD PROBABLY TELL ME MORE THAN I COULD YOU.

THE PAPER DID MENTION IN THE ARTICLE YESTERDAY THAT I WAS APPEALING AND NO DOUBT YOU KNEW THAT ANYWAY. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO REACT WHEN THEY QUASH MY CONVICTION ,COLIN,BECAUSE IT'S VERY PROBABLE THEY WILL DO SO? YOU MAY BELIEVE ME GUILTY,YOU MAY NOT,BUT I HOPE THAT IF NOTHING ELSE YOU'LL TRY AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE AT MY APPEAL I WILL PROVE MY INNOCENCE AND BY DOING THAT THE CORNER-STONE OF THE PROSECUTION EVIDENCE WAS FABRICATED,BY WHOM I CAN'T PROVE YET AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO DO SO FOR MY APPEAL BUT EVENTUALLY I'LL FIND OUT BECAUSE IT CAN ONLY BE ONE OF FIVE PEOPLE. IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M TALKING RIDDLES AND I'M SORRY THAT I CAN'T EXPLAIN IN A LETTER TO YOU.IT SEEMS SO POINTLESS IN ME SENDING YOU THIS LETTER AS IT'LL ONLY ADD TO YOUR CONFUSION BUT FOR YOU TO WRITE TO ME MUST HAVE TAKEN A GREAT DEAL SO MY REPLYING IS THE LEAST I CAN DO..

IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU QUESTION WHAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT SHEILA IN THE NEWSPAPERS SO YOU SHOULD QUESTION WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT ME - I'M NOT GAY OR BI-SEXUAL, I WASN'T A COCAINE SMUGGLER, I DIDN'T KNOW HALF THE PEOPLE I'D BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH, I DIDN'T BREAK SOMEONE'S ARM AT SCHOOL, I DIDN'T KITE CHEQUES AND I DIDN'T RAPE JULIE. WHAT OTHER ODIOUS STUFF THEY WROTE I CAN'T RECALL EVEN DURING MY TRIAL THEY COULDN'T GET IT RIGHT I WON'T GO ON. YOU KNOW ME AND WHAT I WAS LIKE AND I DIDN'T WRITE TO CONVINCE YOU OF MY INNOCENCE EVEN THOUGH I AM, JUST WELL WHATEVER


LOVE JEREMY
P.S. I TRULY WISH I COULD HELP YOU. "



SCRUBS PRISON,WEDNESDAY 2 FEBRUARY 1989

DEAR COLIN,

SO YOU DECIDED NOT TO REPLY TO MY LETTER,I WONDER WHY? MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FACE THE TRUTH THAT I DID NOT KILL YOUR CHILDREN OR SHEILA OR MUM AND DAD. HOW SAD,COLIN,THAT YOU CAN'T DISTINGUISH REALITY FROM MEDIA HYPE,MISGUIDED POLICE AND MY MONEY-GRABBING RELATIVES. OUT OF EVERYONE I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND BUT INSTEAD YOU'VE MADE YOURSELF A COG IN THE MEDIA WHEEL. THE VERY SAME MEDIA THAT YOU RIDICULE IN THE RADIO TIMES. YOU CAN'T IMAGINE HOW I'VE SUFFERED SINCE SHEILA KILLED MY FAMILY-I DON'T SUPPOSE YOU CARE AND WHY SHOULD YOU,COLIN,WITH YOUR NICE LITTLE BOOK AND YOUR PRETTY LITTLE SCULPTURES POURING OUT YOUR GRIEF TO ANY FILM CREW AROUND-NICE TIMING TOO-EH,-WITH MY APPEAL UP SOON,MAYBE YOU'D LIKE TO WAVE A BANNER OUTSIDE THE COURT WITH "JEREMY'S GUILTY BUT I DON'T WANT REVENGE."

GO AND ENJOY YOUR CELEBRITY STATUS,MAYBE YOU'LL BE ON WOGAN NEXT AND CAN ADVERTISE YOUR BOOK AND SCULPTURES THAT WAY-HOW YOU CAN CHEAPEN DANIEL AND NICHOLAS AND THEIR TRAGIC DEATH I JUST DON'T KNOW. NO ONE WANTED ANYTHING OF YOU BEFORE THEN AND NOW THEY'RE GONE YOU'RE USING IT FOR YOUR OWN ENDS-PRETENDING IT'S GRIEF COUNSELLING. YOU WERE ALRIGHT,COLIN,ONCE,BUT NOW I'M SORRY TO SEE YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A LEECH LIVING OFF YOUR OWN SONS' TRAGIC DEATH. IF THEY COULD SEE YOU NOW I BET IT WOULD SICKEN THEM AS IT SICKENS ME...I HOPE YOU LOVE YOURSELF,IN FACT I BET YOU DO. WHAT I WISH IS THAT YOU NEVER GET TO HAVE CHILDREN IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU'LL f..k THEM UP TOO-IT WAS YOUR FAULT THAT SHEILA WENT MAD AND KILLED EVERYONE. YOU KNEW SHE WOULD BREAK UNDER THE STRAIN OF BRINGING UP A FAMILY ON HER OWN-YOU DIDN'T CARE FOR YOUR CHILDREN EVEN IN THE w..b..

YOU'VE DONE ME MUCH HARM WITH YOUR SELFISH USE OF THE MEDIA SO I'D USE THE SAME TO GET MY OWN BACK. LOOK FORWARD TO AN ARTICLE SOON COLIN MAY IT PRICK YOUR CONSCIENCE IF YOU HAVE ONE. YOUR [SIC] NOTHING BUT A LEACH JUST THINK WHAT YOUR [SIC] FEEDING OFF.

WITH VERY MUCH SADNESS

JEREMY


Examples of Bambers warped mind Holly

And not a single reference to his sisters ‘alleged’ suicide - why do you think that is Holly?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 08, 2020, 11:07:06 AM
LONG LARTIN PRISON OCTOBER 1993

This is an edited interview with Jeremy Bamber conducted by telephone from Long Lartin prison where he is currently serving five life sentences. Bamber sounded if not convincing, at least convinced. At the top of the letters he writes to his friends and supporters, he puts in capitals how long he has been inside:
2,833 DAYS OF WRONGFUL IMPRISONMENT.

What can you tell me about Sheila? What sort of person was she ?
“God, that’s a hard question to do in just a few sentences. (Blows heavily.) You’ve sprung that on me. In her early life, a normal sister. Interested in English and Art, a sensitive person. A fairly highly-strung person but, up until the age of 17/18, I got on well with her. We had much in common. Then she went up to London and got into the modelling and that changed her quite considerably. It made her too narcissistical (sic).
http://jimshelley.com/crime/jeremy-bamber-qa/

What did Bamber call SC ‘narcissistical’ ?

And what does his narcissism suggest about him Holly?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 08, 2020, 11:30:55 AM
What did Bamber call SC ‘narcissistical’ ?

And what does his narcissism suggest about him Holly?

I guess he was referring to his view SC was preoccupied with her looks perhaps evidenced by the fact she had breast implants.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 08, 2020, 12:47:50 PM
I guess he was referring to his view SC was preoccupied with her looks perhaps evidenced by the fact she had breast implants.

 *%87
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on May 08, 2020, 05:26:50 PM
I guess he was referring to his view SC was preoccupied with her looks perhaps evidenced by the fact she had breast implants.


Are you saying that because Sheila (like millions of women) wanted to improve her breasts she was a narcissist?

You’ve admitted yourself that you use “beauty aids”, Holly: does that make you a narcissist, then?

Sheila seems to have suffered from lack of confidence — quite the opposite to narcissist Jeremy Bamber whose main concern when going to the funerals was that the TV cameras caught his “good side”.

You can’t deny that Sheila was stunningly beautiful, yet despite having such beauty she was the polar opposite of a narcissist. I’m sure thousands of women would have loved to have had her face...don’t you agree?

Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on May 08, 2020, 06:47:34 PM
Not sure how many specks of identical GSR were found inside his pocket - think Hamish Campbell said 4 ?

It was just a single particle.

http://forensicfirearmsconsultancy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/GSR-Evidence-A-Loose-Canon.pdf
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 08, 2020, 07:30:50 PM
It was just a single particle.

http://forensicfirearmsconsultancy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/GSR-Evidence-A-Loose-Canon.pdf

Yes it was. Hamish Campbell referred to various types - types 1 - 4 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm32KwYFHwk @ approx 39.00
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 08, 2020, 08:07:58 PM

Are you saying that because Sheila (like millions of women) wanted to improve her breasts she was a narcissist?

You’ve admitted yourself that you use “beauty aids”, Holly: does that make you a narcissist, then?

Sheila seems to have suffered from lack of confidence — quite the opposite to narcissist Jeremy Bamber whose main concern when going to the funerals was that the TV cameras caught his “good side”.

You can’t deny that Sheila was stunningly beautiful, yet despite having such beauty she was the polar opposite of a narcissist. I’m sure thousands of women would have loved to have had her face...don’t you agree?

Do millions of women want to improve their breasts?

It seems SC was unconfident which is a feature of an attachment disorder.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on May 08, 2020, 08:17:49 PM
Do millions of women want to improve their breasts?

It seems SC was unconfident which is a feature of an attachment disorder.
Over 70% of women are unhappy with their breast size

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/body/health/a30805633/women-dislike-boobs-check-cancer/
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 08, 2020, 08:27:47 PM
Over 70% of women are unhappy with their breast size

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/body/health/a30805633/women-dislike-boobs-check-cancer/

Assuming the figs are reliable they relate to 2020.  What about in 1985?

In any event what % of women were so unhappy with their breast during the 80's they resorted to implants? 
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: G-Unit on May 08, 2020, 08:58:36 PM
Do millions of women want to improve their breasts?

It seems SC was unconfident which is a feature of an attachment disorder.

Women have all kinds of hang-ups. My daughter hid her ankles for years as she thought they were too thin. Sheila's friends said she was always looking for reassurance that she looked OK. Dr Ferguson also mentioned that she was 'depressed and unconfident' when he began treating her in 1983. [w/s 8/8/85]
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Common sense on May 08, 2020, 09:06:22 PM
When did Sheila have the implants? Could they have been related to her modelling days?

As I understand it, modelling, like acting, can be very cruel. Was she turned down for work because her breasts were thought too small by somebody? 

These were the days of Samantha Fox and Linda Lusardi. Kate Moss wasn't even born (probably) 
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: mrswah on May 08, 2020, 09:19:58 PM
Over 70% of women are unhappy with their breast size

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/body/health/a30805633/women-dislike-boobs-check-cancer/


I never knew that!

I think I'd add that many women are unhappy with some aspect of their appearance.

Sheila had done modelling, so she would have been very aware of her appearance, IMO.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on May 08, 2020, 10:09:16 PM
Do millions of women want to improve their breasts?

It seems SC was unconfident which is a feature of an attachment disorder.

There are so many thing wrong with that statement! Are all women who have breast augmentation suffering from attachment theory?

https://www.statista.com/chart/18071/most-popular-plastic-surgery-uk/
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on May 08, 2020, 10:33:00 PM
Assuming the figs are reliable they relate to 2020.  What about in 1985?

In any event what % of women were so unhappy with their breast during the 80's they resorted to implants?
Do you think women are more or less confident about their bodies now than in 1985?  Has pressure on women increased since then to have bigger breasts?   Is have a boob job just about narcissism or can it be something else more deep rooted than that?  What does any of this have to do with Jeremy being a psychopath and killing his family?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on May 08, 2020, 11:07:02 PM
Assuming the figs are reliable they relate to 2020.  What about in 1985?

In any event what % of women were so unhappy with their breast during the 80's they resorted to implants?

In 1985 it was more expensive but breast enlargement has been popular since 1950's. Sheila's op was probably the result of her interest in modelling. Nothing to do with AT.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: APRIL on May 09, 2020, 07:37:18 AM

I never knew that!

I think I'd add that many women are unhappy with some aspect of their appearance.

Sheila had done modelling, so she would have been very aware of her appearance, IMO.


There may be some confusion here about breast size and modelling. I think, for Sheila, they were unrelated, her lack of confidence in that part of her which made her, visually, womanly, was at variance with her hoped for career as a model.

By 1985, the famous hour-glass figure was old hat. Designers were wanting their clothes to drape sinuously. Something not possible with breasts and hips. In her desire to look like, she may have believed to be, the perfect woman, she may actually have ruined any chance she had of being a fashion model, and inadvertently crossed the line to glamour model.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 09, 2020, 10:09:05 AM
There are so many thing wrong with that statement! Are all women who have breast augmentation suffering from attachment theory?

https://www.statista.com/chart/18071/most-popular-plastic-surgery-uk/

You are linking two separate statements.  And it's attachment disorder not theory.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 09, 2020, 10:16:09 AM
Do you think women are more or less confident about their bodies now than in 1985?  Has pressure on women increased since then to have bigger breasts?   Is have a boob job just about narcissism or can it be something else more deep rooted than that?  What does any of this have to do with Jeremy being a psychopath and killing his family?

I think today young males and females are under pressure to look a certain way.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 09, 2020, 10:20:09 AM
In 1985 it was more expensive but breast enlargement has been popular since 1950's. Sheila's op was probably the result of her interest in modelling. Nothing to do with AT.

Afaik SC wanted to be a fashion model which isn't dependent on breast size.

AT?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 09, 2020, 10:31:39 AM

There may be some confusion here about breast size and modelling. I think, for Sheila, they were unrelated, her lack of confidence in that part of her which made her, visually, womanly, was at variance with her hoped for career as a model.

By 1985, the famous hour-glass figure was old hat. Designers were wanting their clothes to drape sinuously. Something not possible with breasts and hips. In her desire to look like, she may have believed to be, the perfect woman, she may actually have ruined any chance she had of being a fashion model, and inadvertently crossed the line to glamour model.

I agree.

I think for SC her height at 5'7.5" was going to prove difficult in the world of fashion modelling.

Her desire for larger breasts may have been linked with what CC described as an obsession to bear children ie a need to feel and/or appear feminine and fertile.  CC said SC was obsessed with becoming a "natural" mother and was fearful of becoming an "adoptive" mother. 
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: mrswah on May 09, 2020, 10:58:29 AM
I think today young males and females are under pressure to look a certain way.

IMO, they have been for a very long time !
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on May 09, 2020, 12:56:10 PM
Do millions of women want to improve their breasts?

It seems SC was unconfident which is a feature of an attachment disorder.

It seems millions the world over do. Are you saying they’re all narcissistic?

Likewise, you use beauty aids — which according to you must make you a narcissist.


Sheila having low confidence was possibly down to her having twins and maybe her breasts weren’t as full or perky as they’d once been, but it was and is a VERY common cosmetic procedure. I’ve never had the need to make mine bigger as I’m naturally big-busted, but I’d have possibly had them done if they’d bothered me. Why not?

You have beauty aids (not sure what) so do you think you use them as you have an attachment disorder?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on May 09, 2020, 01:15:43 PM
Do you think women are more or less confident about their bodies now than in 1985?  Has pressure on women increased since then to have bigger breasts?   Is have a boob job just about narcissism or can it be something else more deep rooted than that?  What does any of this have to do with Jeremy being a psychopath and killing his family?


I suspect Sheila had a boob job because she was quite small busted, and simply wanted bigger breasts. Sheila was actually too short to be a catwalk model, but because the agencies were blown away by her face they tried to get her into advertisement modelling etc. She did an advert for Bacardi Rum where they’d flown her off somewhere, possibly the Caribbean, which Nevill was very proud of and showed people the advert. I suspect the agencies told her having a larger bust would help her model swimwear...she didn’t have hideously large implants...but due to her unreliability when she was unwell the agencies couldn’t rely on her, sadly. It’s very sad, because she’d have easily been able to model swimwear & cosmetics — she was striking.

It’s true that young women now nearly all have breast implants, which I suspect stems from the media and Internet. I was in the minority in my teens as I was a busty while most of my friends were just a normal size, which actually made me feel embarrassed as men and boys tend to gawp — even though I never flaunted them. I definitely see hundreds of women everywhere now with big boobs, which has become the norm. But I certainly don’t believe all those women having boob jobs are narcissistic at all...they just want to fit in with their peers because they’re young and impressionable.

Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on May 09, 2020, 01:29:59 PM
I guess he was referring to his view SC was preoccupied with her looks perhaps evidenced by the fact she had breast implants.

That’s rich coming from someone who was so vain he hoped the cameras caught his “good side” at the funerals!

Sheila had to be preoccupied with her looks: she was breaking into modelling so her appearance was important. It was work. A job.

Jeremy seems very spiteful in his character assassination of Sheila, which makes the nonsense he now spouts about caring for Sheila and worrying over her mental health hypocritical and utterly false. Indeed, I believe he exacerbated her downfall into smoking marijuana; tried to encourage her to take other drugs too; and planted seeds of doubt in her mind so she’d feel even more insecure.

He also seems to have taken an unhealthy interest in Sheila’s boob job; just as he did when he scrutinised the nude photos he found of her after killing her. Most brothers would immediately put the photos down and not look at them! I couldn’t BEAR to see such photos of my siblings...Id refuse to look at them. There’s never been any mention of him trying to sexually abuse Sheila, but you don’t know if he had occasional “peeps” at her when she was in her bedroom or the bathroom. He possibly didn’t, but he certainly studied her nude photographs taking in every little detail...
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 09, 2020, 03:07:51 PM
Do millions of women want to improve their breasts?

It seems SC was unconfident which is a feature of an attachment disorder.

Do you run one of Bamber’s twitter accounts Holly or was this a coincidence?

Michelle Diskin Bates Retweeted
JB Campaign LTD
@jbcampaignltd
Judith Jackson - Foster Carer

From 1980 to 1982 Judith was employed by Camden Social Services. She looked after #JeremyBamber's sister Sheila’s twin sons Nicholas and Daniel who were just a year old.

https://jeremy-bamber.co.uk/verbatim-project… #WhiteHouseFarm

Jeremy Bamber: Verbatim Project - Judith Jackson
Judith Jackson was a foster mother who had previously cared for Sheila Caffell's twins, Nicholas and Daniel Caffell. The jury believed that Jeremy Bamber was...
youtube.com
1:25 PM · May 9, 2020·Twitter Web App

https://mobile.twitter.com/jbcampaignltd/status/1259097167022764033

The video is of someone reading Judith Jackson’s WS and mentions SC going to nightclubs and of her ‘breast enhancements’
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 18, 2020, 12:35:03 AM
‘The Mask of Sanity’

Cleckley describes the psychopathic person as outwardly a perfect mimic of a normally functioning person, able to mask or disguise the fundamental lack of internal personality structure, an internal chaos that results in repeatedly purposeful destructive behavior, often more self-destructive than destructive to others.


In Bamber’s case he’s obviously destructive to others
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 18, 2020, 01:00:00 AM
When did JM refer to Bamber as a psychopath; is it in one of her statements!
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 24, 2020, 09:35:08 PM
Holly posted a link to the doc ‘Killing Mum and Dad’ - the one where Kerry Daynes refers to Bamber as a psychopath

But towards the end of the doc Giovanni Di Stefano, who was his legal representative at the time also confirms it

And he confirms the psychiatrists conclusions - Di Stefano states,

They say he’s a psychopath

He goes on to state,

Yeah - technically their right’




Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 24, 2020, 09:47:05 PM
Holly posted a link to the doc ‘Killing Mum and Dad’ - the one where Kerry Daynes refers to Bamber as a psychopath

But towards the end of the doc Giovanni Di Stefano, who was his legal representative at the time also confirms it

And he confirms the psychiatrists conclusions - Di Stefano states,

They say he’s a psychopath

He goes on to state,

Yeah - technically their right’

Did you also contact Giovanni Di Stefano around the time you contacted Kerry Daynes Holly ?

Many of you will recall Kerry Daynes' contribution to the tv programme 'Killing Mum and Dad'.  Kerry is a forensic psychologist.

And if not why not?

Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 24, 2020, 09:52:05 PM
Did you also contact Giovanni Di Stefano around the time you contacted Kerry Daynes Holly ?

And if not why not?

There’s a page on Bamber’s website here https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/psychopathy

An excerpt reads,

The recent TV programme (2011) on Sky three contained testimony by Ms Kerry Daynes, who claims she is a psychologist, and misled the viewers into thinking that she had met Jeremy Bamber, had read reports on him, or carried out a diagnosis.

It also contained testimony from Giovanni Di Stefano who had met Bamber and had read reports on him & confirmed he’d been diagnosed by ‘psychiatrists‘ as a psychopath

There’s no mention of Giovanni Di Stefano on the above link
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 24, 2020, 10:07:36 PM
Holly posted a link to the doc ‘Killing Mum and Dad’ - the one where Kerry Daynes refers to Bamber as a psychopath

But towards the end of the doc Giovanni Di Stefano, who was his legal representative at the time also confirms it

And he confirms the psychiatrists conclusions - Di Stefano states,

They say he’s a psychopath

He goes on to state,

Yeah - technically their right’

GDS also said it was "impossible" for JB to have carried out the murders.

Why would anyone take notice of a bogus lawyer and convicted fraudster?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Di_Stefano_(fraudster)
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on May 24, 2020, 10:10:11 PM
GDS also said it was "impossible" for JB to have carried out the murders.

Why would anyone take notice of a bogus lawyer and convicted fraudster?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Di_Stefano_(fraudster)

Some do when it suits.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 24, 2020, 10:12:30 PM

Why would anyone take notice of a bogus lawyer and convicted fraudster?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Di_Stefano_(fraudster)

Why would anyone take notice of a burglar, sexual predator and convicted mass murderer ?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 24, 2020, 10:16:52 PM
Why would anyone take notice of a burglar, possible sexual predator and convicted mass murderer ?

They don't Afaik
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 24, 2020, 10:17:39 PM
Some do when it suits.

Like who? 
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on May 24, 2020, 10:19:19 PM
They don't Afaik

Really> How about the picture with the bright red blood strategically enhanced  to make the blood look wet and edited so you can't see the dried cracked blood around her mouth?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 24, 2020, 10:23:28 PM
Why would anyone take notice of a burglar, sexual predator and convicted mass murderer ?

Bamber WAS a sexual predator - there’s no ‘possible’ about it
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 24, 2020, 10:26:56 PM
There’s a page on Bamber’s website here https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/psychopathy

An excerpt reads,

The recent TV programme (2011) on Sky three contained testimony by Ms Kerry Daynes, who claims she is a psychologist, and misled the viewers into thinking that she had met Jeremy Bamber, had read reports on him, or carried out a diagnosis.

It also contained testimony from Giovanni Di Stefano who had met Bamber and had read reports on him & confirmed he’d been diagnosed by ‘psychiatrists‘ as a psychopath

There’s no mention of Giovanni Di Stefano on the above link

Why didn’t Bamber or anyone from his Campaign Team make comment when Mike Fielder referred to him as a sexual predator

@ approx 20.15 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bcTvqLk0MWU&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 24, 2020, 10:27:41 PM
Really> How about the picture with the bright red blood strategically enhanced  to make the blood look wet and edited so you can't see the dried cracked blood around her mouth?

Not something I buy into.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 24, 2020, 10:29:59 PM
Bamber WAS a sexual predator - there’s no ‘possible’ about it

You mean like Harvey Weinstein?

Not many #me too!

Talking of psychos do you watch Killing Eve? 
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 24, 2020, 10:30:17 PM
Why would anyone take notice of a bogus lawyer and convicted fraudster?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Di_Stefano_(fraudster)

As I said Holly, Giovanni Di Stefano
who had met Bamber and had read reports on him & confirmed he’d been diagnosed by ‘psychiatrists‘ as a psychopath
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 24, 2020, 10:33:11 PM
You mean like Harvey Weinstein?

No, I mean a sexual predator like Jeremy Bamber


Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on May 24, 2020, 10:34:20 PM
Not something I buy into.

I wasn't talking about you but you know how that picture gets defended.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 24, 2020, 10:36:11 PM

Not many #me too!


Maybe because he’s serving a full life tariff for mass murder ?

Maybe because his victims don’t want to be associated with a mass murderer and child killer ?

Maybe women have reported assaults to the police but because he’s serving a full life tariff they’ve done nothing ?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 24, 2020, 10:36:43 PM
Talking of psychos do you watch Killing Eve?

No, never seen it, why ?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on May 24, 2020, 10:51:55 PM
Maybe because he’s serving a full life tariff for mass murder ?

Maybe because his victims don’t want to be associated with a mass murderer and child killer ?

Maybe women have reported assaults to the police but because he’s serving a full life tariff they’ve done nothing ?

Maybe he didn't actually sexually assault any woman/man/child.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 24, 2020, 11:11:48 PM
GDS also said it was "impossible" for JB to have carried out the murders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Di_Stefano_(fraudster)

Why would anyone take notice of a bogus lawyer and convicted fraudster?’
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on May 25, 2020, 11:10:39 AM
Why would anyone take notice of a bogus lawyer and convicted fraudster?’


 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Nicholas on May 30, 2020, 01:07:09 PM

Evidence has been established.

And not just by the prison psychiatrist...his own defence psychiatrist said he was a psychopath, which is why the defence withheld that information.


Did the defence withhold this evidence or was it agreed on pre trial by both defence and prosecution not to use the evidence as it could prejudice Bamber’s trial ?

Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 08:23:09 AM
Some are continuing to persist with the claim the following is evidence of psychopathy:
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 19, 2020, 08:27:07 AM
Some are continuing to persist with the claim the following is evidence of psychopathy:
Explain why it isn’t.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 08:27:21 AM
Some are continuing to persist with the claim the following is evidence of psychopathy:

Does anyone seriously believe defence lawyers invite authors into chambers to chat about cases?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 19, 2020, 08:30:05 AM
Does anyone seriously believe defence lawyers invite authors into chambers to chat about cases?
Who has made that claim?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 19, 2020, 08:49:14 AM
Who has made that claim?

Where do you think Wilkes got his info from? 
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: G-Unit on June 19, 2020, 09:10:33 AM
Where do you think Wilkes got his info from?

According to Wilkes someone who was there told him. So it's hearsay evidence at it's best, with two unnamed sources.

Then we have the strange theory of memories being pushed to the back of the mind and then 'falling off'. I've never heard of that being a symptom of psychopathy. Trauma, perhaps, but with no conscience or empathy why would a psychopath be traumatised and want to block out what he had done?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: mrswah on June 19, 2020, 11:17:29 AM
According to Wilkes someone who was there told him. So it's hearsay evidence at it's best, with two unnamed sources.

Then we have the strange theory of memories being pushed to the back of the mind and then 'falling off'. I've never heard of that being a symptom of psychopathy. Trauma, perhaps, but with no conscience or empathy why would a psychopath be traumatised and want to block out what he had done?


On days when I veer towards JB being guilty, I can well believe that he has blocked out the crime and really believes that he didn't do it. However, I haven't heard of this being a feature of psychopathy either.

What this psychiatrist (allegedly) said certainly can't have been good news for JB if he happens to be innocent.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: APRIL on June 19, 2020, 11:21:10 AM
According to Wilkes someone who was there told him. So it's hearsay evidence at it's best, with two unnamed sources.

Then we have the strange theory of memories being pushed to the back of the mind and then 'falling off'. I've never heard of that being a symptom of psychopathy. Trauma, perhaps, but with no conscience or empathy why would a psychopath be traumatised and want to block out what he had done?


It might be argued, that like many other things, it was of no greater significance than recalling if his bowels had been opened the previous day, ergo no trauma attached.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: G-Unit on June 19, 2020, 02:55:30 PM

It might be argued, that like many other things, it was of no greater significance than recalling if his bowels had been opened the previous day, ergo no trauma attached.

So why would he want to forget it?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: APRIL on June 19, 2020, 03:37:26 PM
So why would he want to forget it?

It shouldn't be too difficult to convince someone that something can't be recalled. Unless he'd been hypnotized, I can't see how one would know whether he couldn't remember or was saying he couldn't remember. I'm not certain that anyone involved with the workings of the mind, be they psychologist or lowly counselor, would ever speak in terms of absolutes. Far MORE likely is that expressions such as "it's possible that....."  "He may have...." would be used.

In the mid 90's I received notification from the bank that they were calling in their loan and would be taking possession of my home. A) I hadn't taken out a loan, B) I'd never defaulted on the mortgage. When I furnished them with this information they told me that my husband had taken out a loan -we'd been divorced some 4 years at this point- to which I replied that he couldn't have done that without my permission or knowledge which I swore, I'd never given. So angry was I that I wrote a piece for the local papers, and spoke about it on local radio. A meeting was finally arranged where, to my horror and acute embarrassment, a document was produced which had my name written all over it. Every available space had my signature on it. It meant that not only had I given my permission, I'd also gone to the solicitor to sign the document confirming such. Until I saw the document, I had no recall of any of what had happened. It had been a time of huge emotional stress -husband on the verge of bankruptcy, a failing marriage, a house with no floors, no running water. Being asked to risk making myself homeless to prop up an already failed business, was more than I could cope with -recalling it now makes me feel unsafe- hardly surprising that I buried it.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 19, 2020, 04:29:48 PM
Where do you think Wilkes got his info from?
The same place most authors get their information from.  Research, interviews, etc.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 19, 2020, 04:31:56 PM
It shouldn't be too difficult to convince someone that something can't be recalled. Unless he'd been hypnotized, I can't see how one would know whether he couldn't remember or was saying he couldn't remember. I'm not certain that anyone involved with the workings of the mind, be they psychologist or lowly counselor, would ever speak in terms of absolutes. Far MORE likely is that expressions such as "it's possible that....."  "He may have...." would be used.

In the mid 90's I received notification from the bank that they were calling in their loan and would be taking possession of my home. A) I hadn't taken out a loan, B) I'd never defaulted on the mortgage. When I furnished them with this information they told me that my husband had taken out a loan -we'd been divorced some 4 years at this point- to which I replied that he couldn't have done that without my permission or knowledge which I swore, I'd never given. So angry was I that I wrote a piece for the local papers, and spoke about it on local radio. A meeting was finally arranged where, to my horror and acute embarrassment, a document was produced which had my name written all over it. Every available space had my signature on it. It meant that not only had I given my permission, I'd also gone to the solicitor to sign the document confirming such. Until I saw the document, I had no recall of any of what had happened. It had been a time of huge emotional stress -husband on the verge of bankruptcy, a failing marriage, a house with no floors, no running water. Being asked to risk making myself homeless to prop up an already failed business, was more than I could cope with -recalling it now makes me feel unsafe- hardly surprising that I buried it.
Jeez, how horrendous.  I hope it all worked out ok in the end.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: mrswah on June 19, 2020, 04:37:44 PM
The same place most authors get gheir information from.  Research, interviews, etc.

I hadn't realised, before this week, that Roger Wilkes has, in fact, written several books!
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 19, 2020, 04:43:06 PM
If Roger awilkes lied in his book, and made up a claim that the defence psychiatrist said JB was a psychopath then presumably at some point in the last 35 years a robust rebuttal by members of JB’s defence team has been forthcoming, has it not?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: APRIL on June 19, 2020, 04:45:18 PM
Jeez, how horrendous.  I hope it all worked out ok in the end.


Thank-you so much, VS. It all worked out very well.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 19, 2020, 08:08:07 PM
Not something I buy into.


Good grief!

The flash of the camera shone on parts of Sheila’s dried blood, as it did elsewhere!

That’s a ludicrous suggestion to make...embarrassing!
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 19, 2020, 08:15:17 PM
Maybe he didn't actually sexually assault any woman/man/child.

He USED them though

Look how that poor woman woke up in his bed while Jeremy was next to Charles...

She had no recollection of GETTING into his bed, then “came to” finding him on top of her while he was masturbating Charles and Charles was masturbating  him.

And you don’t call that assault and predatory???!!!!!!
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 19, 2020, 08:22:10 PM
Did the defence withhold this evidence or was it agreed on pre trial by both defence and prosecution not to use the evidence as it could prejudice Bamber’s trial ?


Just seen this, Nicholas, so apologies for late reply

Yes, after the defence hired a psychiatrist in the hope Bamber would be deemed normal, the psychiatrist said Jeremy was definitely a psychopath and he 100% believed Jeremy had killed his family: hence why they couldn’t put his diagnosis forward in the court. They kept it under wraps.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 19, 2020, 08:29:38 PM
According to Wilkes someone who was there told him. So it's hearsay evidence at it's best, with two unnamed sources.

Then we have the strange theory of memories being pushed to the back of the mind and then 'falling off'. I've never heard of that being a symptom of psychopathy. Trauma, perhaps, but with no conscience or empathy why would a psychopath be traumatised and want to block out what he had done?


You’ve answered your own question, Gunit

Jeremy wasn’t traumatised after murdering his family — it meant nothing to him

Nor did he “block out” what he’d done.

He simply pushed it out of his mind and “forgot” about it, as it meant nothing to him. Similar to swatting a bluebottle.

“Done and dusted. Let’s forget about that and move on...”

You need to learn about psychopaths, Gunit, and how their brains work.

Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 19, 2020, 08:31:52 PM

It might be argued, that like many other things, it was of no greater significance than recalling if his bowels had been opened the previous day, ergo no trauma attached.

Wish I’d seen this post, April, before I replied...

You’ve hit the nail on my head

Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 19, 2020, 08:32:52 PM
So why would he want to forget it?

To make himself look innocent !
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: G-Unit on June 19, 2020, 08:37:17 PM
He USED them though

Look how that poor woman woke up in his bed while Jeremy was next to Charles...

She had no recollection of GETTING into his bed, then “came to” finding him on top of her while he was masturbating Charles and Charles was masturbating  him.

And you don’t call that assault and predatory???!!!!!!

Both Charles Marsden and the girl confirmed he had taken no part in what was going on.
CAL Kindle page 95.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on June 19, 2020, 09:17:59 PM
Does anyone seriously believe defence lawyers invite authors into chambers to chat about cases?

He didn't say he was invited into chambers. Does anyone honestly believe that authors wouldn't contact the defence team of a case they were writing about?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 01:08:50 AM
He didn't say he was invited into chambers. Does anyone honestly believe that authors wouldn't contact the defence team of a case they were writing about?

For someone who claims their husband is a lawyer it’s very strange that Holly doesn’t know chambers are only for the use of the LEGAL team and judge!!

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Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 01:10:11 AM
Both Charles Marsden and the girl confirmed he had taken no part in what was going on.
CAL Kindle page 95.

Charles Marsden is hardly going to admit to being bisexual and a predator....
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on June 20, 2020, 01:35:21 AM
For someone who claims their husband is a lawyer it’s very strange that Holly doesn’t know chambers are only for the use of the LEGAL team and judge!!

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There is this invention called a 'telephone' - they might have talked on that or popped out for a chat over a coffee. However they met, they must have because Wilkes wrote a lot of details in respect to the defences prep for the case.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 01:52:49 AM
There is this invention called a 'telephone' - they might have talked on that or popped out for a chat over a coffee. However they met, they must have because Wilkes wrote a lot of details in respect to the defences prep for the case.


Yes, they do that.

In chambers if they need to check something they’ll call whoever it is they need to, or tell a clerk to check a fact/fetch a file/make a call/send a message by what was then telex.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: G-Unit on June 20, 2020, 09:27:57 AM
Charles Marsden is hardly going to admit to being bisexual and a predator....

That doesn't explain the girl's denial. Instead of arguing that your opinion is fact, please cut to the chase and provide the evidence which led you to say; "he was masturbating Charles and Charles was masturbating  him."

Until you do, it seems like you made that up.

Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 09:57:46 AM
That doesn't explain the girl's denial. Instead of arguing that your opinion is fact, please cut to the chase and provide the evidence which led you to say; "he was masturbating Charles and Charles was masturbating  him."

Until you do, it seems like you made that up.


The girl never denied it at all!

She actually COMPLAINED about it. That’s why she got up and LEFT them at it.

She told Julie (and you’ll find the cute in CAL’s book) how Jeremy and Charles were fondling each other. What do you think they were fondling? Each other’s feet?! They were masterbating each other’s penises.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 10:06:37 AM
Incidentally, you may not want to believe Jeremy Bamber is gay/bisexual, but e admitted to Julie — the girlfriend he’d had for TWO years — that he had had a gay relationship with a kiwi, whose photo he kept in a frame.

Brett Collins also said their relationship had been “more than close friends” and there’s a cite for that too.

Julie was actually jealous of Brett, and he was jealous of her.

Jeremy was seen kissing men passionately and dancing with them; you’ll find heaps of cites where people said he’d had several one night stands, some with men.

I don’t give a fig what the psychopath did in his sex life, but for all these female supporters who have weird fixations on him, it beggars belief he hasn’t had gay lovers in prison in 35 years. He was attracted to men before he murdered his family, so why wouldn’t he be now?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: G-Unit on June 20, 2020, 10:09:46 AM

The girl never denied it at all!

She actually COMPLAINED about it. That’s why she got up and LEFT them at it.

She told Julie (and you’ll find the cute in CAL’s book) how Jeremy and Charles were fondling each other. What do you think they were fondling? Each other’s feet?! They were masterbating each other’s penises.

Evidence?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 10:35:22 AM
Evidence?

CAL’s book.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 10:43:50 AM
For someone who claims their husband is a lawyer it’s very strange that Holly doesn’t know chambers are only for the use of the LEGAL team and judge!!

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And I find it strange that someone has 'liked' a post that is clearly factually incorrect.  Chambers is simply the name given to a building where barristers work out of.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 11:23:24 AM
And I find it strange that someone has 'liked' a post that is clearly factually incorrect.  Chambers is simply the name given to a building where barristers work out of.

Wrong.

Chambers is a ROOM where barristers confer with the judge.

No PUBLIC allowed.

What did you say Pete does? 8**8:/:


Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 11:29:28 AM
Another cite for you

Chambers is where BARRISTERS and JUDGES discuss cases in PRIVATE
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 20, 2020, 11:40:20 AM
Wrong.

Chambers is a ROOM where barristers confer with the judge.

No PUBLIC allowed.

What did you say Pete does? 8**8:/:

You are referring to judges' chambers.  Wilkes was clearly referring to barristers' chambers and specifically those pertaining to JB's trial defence team namely Lawson and Rivlin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chambers_(law)
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on June 20, 2020, 12:49:02 PM
You are referring to judges' chambers.  Wilkes was clearly referring to barristers' chambers and specifically those pertaining to JB's trial defence team namely Lawson and Rivlin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chambers_(law)

Whatever, does he say he met then there?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: G-Unit on June 20, 2020, 04:09:46 PM
Whatever, does he say he met then there?

I think someone who was there told him all about it.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 04:48:03 PM
I think someone who was there told him all about it.

Please say IN YOUR OPINION or post a cite.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: APRIL on June 20, 2020, 05:17:16 PM
Please say IN YOUR OPINION or post a cite.

Thank you.


Do you not think attaching "I think" to a post to be commensurate with it being one's own opinion?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 20, 2020, 05:32:17 PM

Do you not think attaching "I think" to a post to be commensurate with it being one's own opinion?

I’ve said “I think” numerous times, then get asked for cites by you, especially
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: APRIL on June 20, 2020, 05:41:25 PM
I’ve said “I think” numerous times, then get asked for cites by you, especially


"I THINK" that's an erroneous claim, Spy. As I rarely/never provide them, it wouldn't make sense for me to demand them of others, would it? BUT, should you provide information I suspect isn't quite how you say it, I'm not beyond asking if you can provide evidence of it.
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Caroline on June 20, 2020, 07:49:26 PM
I think someone who was there told him all about it.

You think someone who was where told who about what?
Title: Re: Claims JB is a psychopath
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 20, 2020, 08:32:33 PM
Please say IN YOUR OPINION or post a cite.

Thank you.
From a moderator's POV "I think" = IMO.