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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 08:07:18 PM

Title: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 08:07:18 PM
Madeleine McCann: German prisoner Christian Brueckner identified as suspect

A 43-year-old German man who travelled around Portugal in a camper van is now the focus of Scotland Yard's investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann 13 years ago.

Police believe the man, now in jail for a sex crime, was in the area where the girl, then aged three, was last seen.

Madeleine's parents Gerry and Kate McCann thanked the police, adding: "All we have ever wanted is to find her."

Police are appealing for information about two vehicles owned by the man.

The day after Madeleine vanished, the suspect transferred a Jaguar car to someone else's name.

Madeleine went missing from an apartment on a Portuguese holiday resort on the evening of 3 May 2007, while her parents were with friends at a nearby tapas bar.

Her disappearance sparked a huge and costly police hunt across much of Europe - the most recent Metropolitan Police investigation, which began in 2011, has cost more than £11m.

"Someone out there knows a lot more than they're letting on," said Det Ch Insp Mark Cranwell, who is leading the Met inquiry.

The force said it remained a "missing persons" investigation because it does not have "definitive evidence" as to whether Madeleine is alive or not.

However, German investigators have classed it as a murder inquiry.

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The London police force said the German authorities had taken the lead at this stage of the case because the German suspect was in custody in their country.

German police told the country's ZDF TV channel the suspect, who is not being named, is a sex offender currently in prison for a sex crime.

The man has two previous convictions for "sexual contact with girls", according to Christian Hoppe from Germany's federal criminal police office.

'Critical' information
An appeal on German television was broadcast this evening at 19:15 BST.

Det Ch Insp Cranwell said the prisoner, then aged 30, frequented the Algarve between 1995 and 2007, staying for "days upon end" in his camper van and living a "transient lifestyle".

He was in the Praia de Luz area where the McCann family was staying when she disappeared and received a phone call at 7.32pm, which ended at 8.02pm.

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A camper van belonging to the suspect was seen around Praia da Luz in Portugal.

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The suspect transferred the registration of this 1993 Jaguar XJR6 to someone else the day after Madeleine disappeared.

Police have released details of the suspect's phone number and the number which dialled him, saying any information about them could be "critical" to the inquiry.

The suspect is believed to have been using a Portuguese mobile phone, with the number +351 912 730 680 on the day Madeleine went missing.

The phone received a call in the area of Praia da Luz from a second mobile number, +351 916 510 683, from someone not in the area. They want the person who made this call to come forward.

"They're a key witness and we urge them to get in touch," said Det Ch Insp Cranwell.

"Some people will know the man we're describing today... you may be aware of some of the things he's done," he said.

"He may have confided in you about the disappearance of Madeleine.

"More than 13 years have passed and your loyalties may have changed," he added.

"Now is the time to come forward."

Is this the breakthrough? Is this German prisoner the man who can unlock the mystery?

It certainly has the feel of a significant development - police have used those very words.

Evidence, according to detectives, places the man near the scene; the re-registering of his car the next day is undoubtedly suspicious.

And his criminal record, disclosed by the German police, is a disturbing guide as to what his motivations might have been.

But... there have been so many false trails in the case before - clues, sightings and suspects that led nowhere.

Three years ago, during the last major police appeal, Scotland Yard said it was working on one final "critical" line of inquiry.

Now, we're told there's another one. That may explain why Met detectives - who've been involved in the case for nine years - are being rather more cautious than their German counterparts.

Read more... (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52914016)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 08:08:31 PM
Do not forget that the general direction of "Smithman" was toward the "van camping" of PdL.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 08:25:20 PM
New DCI in charge of Operation Grange:

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-52905087/met-police-call-for-information-on-mccann-suspect (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/embed/p08fzkvh/52905087)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 08:26:04 PM
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-issue-statement-18359840 (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-issue-statement-18359840)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 03, 2020, 09:12:29 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-kidnapper-disappearance-missing-german-man-prison-a9547536.html


"Police have identified a German paedophile as a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann 13 years ago.

The 43-year-old suspect, who has not been named by Scotland Yard, is currently serving a long prison sentence for unrelated offences in Germany.

The country’s Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) is now leading the investigation, which it is treating as a murder inquiry.

German police said the suspect is a paedophile with multiple convictions, including for sexually abusing children.

He was living in Portugal at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance and, as well as working in catering, burgled holiday apartments and hotels and trafficked drugs.

“There is reason to assume that there are other persons, apart from the suspect, who have concrete knowledge of the course of the crime and maybe also of the place where the body was left,” the BKA said in a statement.

“We explicitly ask these persons to contact us and provide information.”

The Metropolitan Police said they were still treating the case as a missing person investigation, and that they had no “definitive evidence” indicating whether Madeleine is alive or dead."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 09:18:16 PM
... " burgled holiday apartments" ... I always said that the abductor was a burglar ...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 03, 2020, 09:22:35 PM
... " burgled holiday apartments" ... I always said that the abductor was a burglar ...

Well that'a that then.
As Spammy says, he's obviously guilty.
No need for conclusive evidence or a trial, just bang him up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 09:33:34 PM
Well that'a that then.
As Spammy says, he's obviously guilty.
No need for conclusive evidence or a trial, just bang him up.
No, he is far from guilty. In reality, he is not guilty by now. But there are some details ...
I have written this in June 2019: https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2019/06/madeleine-mccann-case-solved.html (https://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/2019/06/madeleine-mccann-case-solved.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 09:38:59 PM
Well that'a that then.
As Spammy says, he's obviously guilty.
No need for conclusive evidence or a trial, just bang him up.

Why not, for the likes of you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 09:42:10 PM
Well that'a that then.
As Spammy says, he's obviously guilty.
No need for conclusive evidence or a trial, just bang him up.
So so childish.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 03, 2020, 09:55:12 PM
He was in the area at the time, he has a history of committing crimes against young girls and he transferred his car into someone else's name the day after Madeleine disappeared.

There was never a mention of a young blond guy except for the neighbor above's  niece who saw a blond guy opening McCann's gate earlier that day and also a blond guy was seen by a cafe-restaurant owner on the beach making a phone call from a payphone. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 03, 2020, 09:55:46 PM
Well that'a that then.
As Spammy says, he's obviously guilty.
No need for conclusive evidence or a trial, just bang him up.

Wasn't that amarals opinion on the McCanns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 10:02:27 PM
So so childish.

Well, nothing to be done, is there.  No possibility of Blaming Madeleine's parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:10:43 PM
Well, nothing to be done, is there.  No possibility of Blaming Madeleine's parents.
You’re kidding aren’t you?  This guy could confess to raping and murdering her and they’d still blame the McCanns and still hate them more than him.  It’s far too entrenched now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 10:13:07 PM
I believe MM to be dead, sadly. I just can’t see the two dogs making so many false alerts. This latest development, in my opinion, could piece together how a body could then have been concealed (possibly in a freezer) and the Smith family sighting could, in my opinion, have been them witnessing someone moving a child’s body from 5A to someone nearby with a vehicle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 10:14:46 PM
Well, nothing to be done, is there.  No possibility of Blaming Madeleine's parents.

Well there is really, if he dunnit (which he didn't).

They shouldn't have left her indoors alone.

We'll always have that to fall back on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 10:18:23 PM
You’re kidding aren’t you?  This guy could confess to raping and murdering her and they’d still blame the McCanns and still hate them more than him.  It’s far too entrenched now.

So sorry.  You are right, of course.  I was just hoping for a minute.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 03, 2020, 10:20:06 PM
Portuguese search dogs on the day 2 did find the trail of walking Madeleine. They repeated the same route on the day 4!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:20:10 PM
The BBC has described this as the biggest breakthrough in the case to date and “really, really significant”.  It actually makes me feel sad and sick as it looks highly likely now that Madeleine really was abducted and murdered by a paedophile.  I was always certain this had been the case but always hoped to be wrong. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 10:20:20 PM
I believe MM to be dead, sadly. I just can’t see the two dogs making so many false alerts. This latest development, in my opinion, could piece together how a body could then have been concealed (possibly in a freezer) and the Smith family sighting could, in my opinion, have been them witnessing someone moving a child’s body from 5A to someone nearby with a vehicle.

Que?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:22:07 PM
Well there is really, if he dunnit (which he didn't).

They shouldn't have left her indoors alone.

We'll always have that to fall back on.
So a child abuser and burglar who was in PdL on the night Madeleine went missing, who got rid of his car the following day and who left the country soon after couldn’t possibly have done it.  Right you are. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 10:24:00 PM
The BBC has described this as the biggest breakthrough in the case to date and “really, really significant”.  It actually makes me feel sad and sick as it looks highly likely now that Madeleine really was abducted and murdered by a paedophile.  I was always certain this had been the case but always hoped to be wrong.

Don't worry, this will soon blow over & eventually there will be a new suspect for the press to fantasise over if history is anything to go by.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:24:48 PM
I believe MM to be dead, sadly. I just can’t see the two dogs making so many false alerts. This latest development, in my opinion, could piece together how a body could then have been concealed (possibly in a freezer) and the Smith family sighting could, in my opinion, have been them witnessing someone moving a child’s body from 5A to someone nearby with a vehicle.
Are you seriously trying to suggest the McCanns were in cahoots with a German paedo in Pdl?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 10:26:04 PM
Que?

Well if the man the Smith’s saw was carrying MM Hurried body concealment and later retrieval is fanciful. Passing a body to a third party with a vehicle (and perhaps access to a freezer) is more plausible. Such a scenario also allows for a conclusion that MM was dead in 5A and the cadaver and blood dog alerts in thee apartment could have been correct, IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 10:32:09 PM
Well if the man the Smith’s saw was carrying MM Hurried body concealment and later retrieval is fanciful. Passing a body to a third party with a vehicle (and perhaps access to a freezer) is more plausible. Such a scenario also allows for a conclusion that MM was dead in 5A and the cadaver and blood dog alerts in thee apartment could have been correct, IMO.

Right.  So more than one person was involved in transporting a dead body, even before they knew it would be dead.
Well that's a new one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:32:38 PM
Well if the man the Smith’s saw was carrying MM Hurried body concealment and later retrieval is fanciful. Passing a body to a third party with a vehicle (and perhaps access to a freezer) is more plausible. Such a scenario also allows for a conclusion that MM was dead in 5A and the cadaver and blood dog alerts in thee apartment could have been correct, IMO.
@)(++(*. You really have got to let go of the dog alerts.  Only then will you be able to work out what happened.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:38:23 PM
Don't worry, this will soon blow over & eventually there will be a new suspect for the press to fantasise over if history is anything to go by.
So you don’t believe there is any reason to suspect this convicted child abuser and holiday apartment burglar who was in PdL that night and who got rid of his car the day after Madeleine disappeared?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 10:44:50 PM
Has an abduction been proven to have even occurred yet?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 03, 2020, 10:49:06 PM
Hey, hi Vixte. Long time no see!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 10:49:25 PM
Oh Dear.  Poor old you.  But never mind, eh what.

Yeah I know right, I'll be proven wrong when the surveillance team rescue Maddie eh?

Shouldn't be much longer now.....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:56:27 PM
Has an abduction been proven to have even occurred yet?
looks like the police teams in three countries are well on the way to proving it and clearly it is the main focus of all their attention.  How do you rationalise this to yourself?  Do you think they are all completely thick, or is it some huge EU conspiracy to keep the McCanns out of jail? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 10:57:36 PM
Are you seriously trying to suggest the McCanns were in cahoots with a German paedo in Pdl?

I don’t believe Clement Freud was German, no.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 10:58:23 PM
looks like the police teams in three countries are well on the way to proving it and clearly it is the main focus of all their attention.  How do you rationalise this to yourself?  Do you think they are all completely thick, or is it some huge EU conspiracy to keep the McCanns out of jail?

Get back to me when they prove it.

Shouldn't be much longer now.......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:59:29 PM
Get back to me when they prove it.

Shouldn't be much longer now.......
Looks like you’re right, for once in your life.  8((()*/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:01:33 PM
I don’t believe Clement Freud was German, no.
What sort of a smartarse response was that?  When did the police mention Clement Freud was a suspect?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:01:42 PM
So you don’t believe there is any reason to suspect this convicted child abuser and holiday apartment burglar who was in PdL that night and who got rid of his car the day after Madeleine disappeared?

I think he should be investigated. I’m with Clarence Mitchell and the McCann’s though when it comes to pronouncements of guilt on Internet forums!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:05:09 PM
I think he should be investigated. I’m with Clarence Mitchell and the McCann’s though when it comes to pronouncements of guilt on Internet forums!
No one has pronounced anyone guilty (apart from Spam of course, but then he’s like a stuck record).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:06:25 PM
What sort of a smartarse response was that?  When did the police mention Clement Freud was a suspect?

I have read credible reports that allege he is a paedophile. I have also read credible reports that he formed a good relationship with K and G McCann. So the idea of the doctors being in “cahoots” with a PDL paedophile is actually quite well documented, IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:07:20 PM
I have read credible reports that allege he is a paedophile. I have also read credible reports that he formed a good relationship with K and G McCann. So the idea of the doctors being in “cahoots” with a PDL paedophile is actually quite well documented, IMO.
What has any of this got to do with today’s news?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 11:11:43 PM
I have read credible reports that allege he is a paedophile. I have also read credible reports that he formed a good relationship with K and G McCann. So the idea of the doctors being in “cahoots” with a PDL paedophile is actually quite well documented, IMO.

Such a pity that Clement Freud wasn't even In Praya de Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.  Perhaps you didn't know that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:11:51 PM
What has any of this got to do with today’s news?

You asked if I was suggesting that doctors were in “cahoots” with a PDL paedophile. I offered some reports which, IMO, suggest that yes such a scenario is well documented already.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:14:08 PM
You asked if I was suggesting that doctors were in “cahoots” with a PDL paedophile. I offered some reports which, IMO, suggest that yes such a scenario is well documented already.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?  I presume so.  I was referring as you must be only too aware to the German paedophile mentioned as the key suspect in today’s news briefing.  You made a post today on this thread which is about today’s news which suggested to me that you were making a connection between this new suspect and the McCanns.  Were you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:15:04 PM
Such a pity that Clement Freud wasn't even In Praya de Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.  Perhaps you didn't know that.

You’re missing my point. I’m not suggesting he was involved in MM’s disappearance. I’m pointing out that it is not fanciful to suggest connections between doctors and PDL paedophiles.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:15:59 PM
I believe MM to be dead, sadly. I just can’t see the two dogs making so many false alerts. This latest development, in my opinion, could piece together how a body could then have been concealed (possibly in a freezer) and the Smith family sighting could, in my opinion, have been them witnessing someone moving a child’s body from 5A to someone nearby with a vehicle.
Explain how a German Paedophile abducting Madeleine from the apartment could validate the freezer /Smithman/ death in the apartment theory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:16:56 PM
You’re missing my point. I’m not suggesting he was involved in MM’s disappearance. I’m pointing out that it is not fanciful to suggest connections between doctors and PDL paedophiles.
Why did you even mention his name on this thread then? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:20:47 PM
Are you being deliberately obtuse?  I presume so.  I was referring as you must be only too aware to the German paedophile mentioned as the key suspect in today’s news briefing.  You made a post today on this thread which is about today’s news which suggested to me that you were making a connection between this new suspect and the McCanns.  Were you?

Is that you, Clarence? 🤣. What I initially posted was that today’s news could piece together evidence that I find credible. Notably, the Smith family sighting and the dog alerts. The man the Smith’s saw could possibly have been carrying a child
from 5A to someone (of ill repute) with a vehicle nearby.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:22:51 PM
Is that you, Clarence? 🤣. What I initially posted was that today’s news could piece together evidence that I find credible. Notably, the Smith family sighting and the dog alerts. The man the Smith’s saw could possibly have been carrying a child
from 5A to someone (of ill repute) with a vehicle nearby.
Then just as I said in the first place, you are suggesting that the McCanns were in cahoots with this German paedophile.  Incredible. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:24:51 PM
Why did you even mention his name on this thread then?

Because it’s a credible example of doctors having a friendly relationship with a PDL paedophile, IMO. Someone else tried to rubbish such a thing. Do you doubt there was a relationship between K and G and Clement Freud?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 03, 2020, 11:26:04 PM
http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826 (http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2020, 11:26:18 PM
14 months ago Mark Saunokonoko wrote this. It appears Amaral was correct.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-german-paedophile-took-maddie-uk-police-amaral-claim-podcast/cc225ca6-7123-4182-985c-89888224bd09

A German paedophile who UK police are preparing to target as the man who abducted and possibly killed missing girl Madeleine McCann is not the real culprit, according to an explosive theory outlined by the Portuguese detective who once led the 2007 case.
Goncalo Amaral made the allegation that the German child sex offender – who is known to authorities - would become the focus of Scotland Yard's investigation in a remarkable interview on Maddie, nine.com.au's podcast exploring the disappearance of Madeleine.

Speaking exclusively with nine.com.au, Mr Amaral hit out at Operation Grange, the long-running $20m London Metropolitan Police search for Maddie. He alleged Operation Grange only had "one investigation line", and claimed it was blinkered to other possibilities about what may have happened in the resort where Madeleine was staying.
"[Operation Grange detectives] are preparing the end of the investigation, with a German paedophile who is in prison right now," Mr Amaral said.
"He is probably going to be the scapegoat for the case."

Mr Amaral led the Portuguese investigation into the Madeleine mystery for five months, from May 2007. He was removed from the case after he publicly criticised some lines of inquiry that UK detectives who arrived in Portugal just after Maddie vanished appeared interested in focusing on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:27:56 PM
Then just as I said in the first place, you are suggesting that the McCanns were in cahoots with this German paedophile.  Incredible.

The whole case is incredible.  No stone should be left unturned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 11:28:03 PM
You’re missing my point. I’m not suggesting he was involved in MM’s disappearance. I’m pointing out that it is not fanciful to suggest connections between doctors and PDL paedophiles.

Good heavens.  The Doctors McCann were in Praia de Luz at the same time as paedophiles.

Which came first, do you think?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:28:53 PM
Madeleine McCann
Madeleine McCann: German paedophile identified as new prime suspect
Man in jail on another charge was living near where toddler vanished in Portugal in 2007
Ben Quinn, and Philip Oltermann in Berlin
Wed 3 Jun 2020 21.37 BST First published on Wed 3 Jun 2020 19.14 BST

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 Madeline McCann went missing from the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on 3 May 2007. Photograph: PA
British police have identified a German national as the new prime suspect in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal 13 years ago, as a fresh international appeal for information was launched.

The suspect who is currently in prison in Germany has not been named. He was in the vicinity of the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on the evening of 3 May 2007, and had a telephone conversation that ended just over an hour before the child went missing from the holiday apartment where she had been sleeping alone with her younger twin siblings as her parents dined at a nearby restaurant.

German investigators launched their own appeal for witnesses on Wednesday in which they revealed the suspect was a convicted paedophile in prison for sexual offences and drug trafficking. They have initiated proceedings against the suspect on suspicion of McCann’s murder.

He was described as being white, with short blonde hair, possibly fair, and being of around six foot tall. Now aged 43, in 2007 he was 30 – but it was said that he may have looked as young as 25. The man, who is in prison on an unrelated matter, had been in the Algarve between 1995 and 2007, with short spells in Germany during that time.

In what they described as a significant moment in their investigation, the Metropolitan police released details of the telephone number used by the man and a number he had been called from, along with photos of a camper van he was said to have been using to live “a transient lifestyle” in Portugal’s Algarve.

An appeal for information was made for anyone who recognised the numbers, the camper van and also a Jaguar car linked to the man. German police also issued an appeal with additional details on national television.

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 Kate and Gerry McCann, in 2012, with an image of what Madeline might look like as an older girl. Photograph: John Stillwell/PA
“Our main line of inquiry is this suspect,” said Stuart Cundy, the Met’s deputy assistant commissioner.

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“He is the main focus of our investigation, which is why we are making this appeal, to help us with that investigation, to prove or disprove his involvement.”

Kate and Gerry McCann, from Rothley, Leicestershire, issued a statement through the police in which they welcomed the appeal. Madeleine would have turned 17 on 12 May this year.

“We welcome the appeal today regarding the disappearance of our daughter, Madeleine. We would like to thank the police forces involved for their continued efforts in the search for Madeleine,” the couple said.

“All we have ever wanted is to find her, uncover the truth and bring those responsible to justice. We will never give up hope of finding Madeleine alive but whatever the outcome may be, we need to know, as we need to find peace.”


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Police said that significant information regarding the man had emerged after investigators made an appeal in May 2017, the 10th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance.

After German federal police authorities were engaged by British and Portuguese forces in November 2017, a “huge amount of work” had taken place so that investigators could understand all that they could about him and his connections to Praia da Luz.

Images were released of a distinctive VW T3 Westfalia campervan, an early 1980s model with white upper body and a yellow skirting and a Portuguese registration plate; as well as a 1993 Jaguar car that was registered in Germany. On 4 May 2007, the day after Madeleine’s disappearance, the suspect got the car re-registered in Germany under someone else’s name at a time when police believe the car was still in Portugal. They want information from anyone who may have seen both vehicles, which have been seized and are in the possession of police in Germany.

In what was described as an unusual action, police released the details of two Portuguese mobile phone numbers. Members of the public are being asked if they recognised one of them, +351 912 730 680 , which was used by the suspect or if they had stored it in their contacts. It was called by someone else from the number +351 916 510 683 on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance at 7.32pm for a conversation that finished shortly after 8pm.

“We are not saying the person making that call is a suspect in this case. They are someone we need to identify as key person and we need to get in touch with them,” said Cundy, who added that any information in relation to the numbers could be critical.

Some people would know the man who the police were describing, he said, appealing to them directly.

 The camper van police are appealing for information about.
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 The camper van police are appealing for information about. Photograph: Metropolitan police
“You may be aware of some of the things he has done. He may have confided in you about the disappearance of Madeleine. More than 13 years have passed and your loyalties may have changed. He is in prison and we are conscious that some people may have been concerned about contacting police in the past. Now is the time to come forward. We are appealing to you.”

Other details about the man’s lifestyle and properties in the Algarve were due to be released on Wednesday evening on a German television programme similar to the BBC’s Crimewatch, but British police want the public to focus on the details of the telephone numbers and the car.

In Germany, an appeal for witnesses was aired on Wednesday night via Aktenzeichen XY, a long-running TV programme with the aim of throwing light on unsolved crimes.

Christian Hoppe, of the German federal office of criminal investigations, told the programme the suspect had two previous convictions for sexual abuse of girls. He said the suspect lived in Portugal between 1995 and 2007 in a house between Praia da Luz and Lagos, where it appears that he drew the attention of authorities for drug dealing and break-ins at hotels and holiday homes.

While German police first received a tip-off about the suspect following a broadcast on the same programme in October 2013, the information at the time had not sufficed for an investigation or an arrest. On the 10th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance in 2017, Hoppe said, police had received a tip-off about the same suspect but still required further testimonies.

Unlike the German murder inquiry the Met investigation is still being treated as a missing person’s investigation. Cundy said police did not have definitive evidence as to whether Madeleine was alive or dead.

More than £11m has been spent on the British end of the investigation, known as Operation Grange. Funding, which was formed at the request of David Cameron’s government in 2011 after a plea from Madeleine’s parents, is regularly reviewed.

A team of four Metropolitan police detectives continue to investigate. Their investigation has looked at more than 600 people who they believe or believed may be significant and in 2013 four male suspects were identified. Interviews in Portugal led to a search of an area of land close to where Madeleine had been staying but the men were subsequently eliminated from the investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:31:42 PM
Because it’s a credible example of doctors having a friendly relationship with a PDL paedophile, IMO. Someone else tried to rubbish such a thing. Do you doubt there was a relationship between K and G and Clement Freud?
Clement Freud has got nothing to do with this latest news and you’re grasping at ever increasingly desperate straws. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:31:58 PM
Good heavens.  The Doctors McCann were in Praia de Luz at the same time as paedophiles.

Which came first, do you think?

The McCanns and Clement Freud became friends, correct?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 11:34:13 PM
Is that you, Clarence? 🤣. What I initially posted was that today’s news could piece together evidence that I find credible. Notably, the Smith family sighting and the dog alerts. The man the Smith’s saw could possibly have been carrying a child
from 5A to someone (of ill repute) with a vehicle nearby.

I don't suppose that I could ask whose side you are on, could I?  Not that this should matter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:34:28 PM
Because it’s a credible example of doctors having a friendly relationship with a PDL paedophile, IMO. Someone else tried to rubbish such a thing. Do you doubt there was a relationship between K and G and Clement Freud?
Clement Freud has got nothing to do with this latest news and you’re grasping at ever increasingly desperate straws. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 11:36:48 PM
The McCanns and Clement Freud became friends, correct?

You can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 03, 2020, 11:38:42 PM

Christian Hoppe, of the German federal office of criminal investigations, told the programme the suspect had two previous convictions for sexual abuse of girls. He said the suspect lived in Portugal between 1995 and 2007 in a house between Praia da Luz and Lagos, where it appears that he drew the attention of authorities for drug dealing and break-ins at hotels and holiday homes.


Did Amaral's team ever investigate him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:38:54 PM
Clement Freud has got nothing to do with this latest news and you’re grasping at ever increasingly desperate straws.

I’m not suggesting he was involved. Please go back and read all my posts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2020, 11:39:13 PM
I wonder if OG are just chasing any old German ?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-police-quiz-british-21556263
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:40:50 PM
Notice the desperate attempts by some to turn this latest news into more evidence against the McCanns.  If I hadn’t seen this tactic time and time again I would find it hard to believe but now literally nothing at all surprises me, the depths some people will sink, and the crass stupidity of the thoughts they actually choose to share with the rest of us.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2020, 11:41:45 PM

Christian Hoppe, of the German federal office of criminal investigations, told the programme the suspect had two previous convictions for sexual abuse of girls. He said the suspect lived in Portugal between 1995 and 2007 in a house between Praia da Luz and Lagos, where it appears that he drew the attention of authorities for drug dealing and break-ins at hotels and holiday homes.


Did Amaral's team ever investigate him?

It took 9 years for OG to find him with all their millions. Amaral had five months and a limited budget...so probably not,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 11:41:53 PM
Notice the desperate attempts by some to turn this latest news into more evidence against the McCanns.  If I hadn’t seen this tactic time and time again I would find it hard to believe but now literally nothing at all surprises me, the depths some people will sink, and the crass stupidity of the thoughts they actually choose to share with the rest of us.

What on earth are you talking about?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:42:46 PM
I said the man who the Smith family saw could ,IMO, have been carrying a dead child from 5A to someone with a vehicle. The latest development could fit with evidence I find compelling ~ the dog alerts and the Smith sighting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:42:52 PM
I’m not suggesting he was involved. Please go back and read all my posts.
I know exactly what you are suggesting - that this German paedo suspect was used to dispose of Madeleine's body. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:44:49 PM
No I said the man who the Smith family saw could ,IMO, have been carrying a dead child from 5A to someone with a vehicle. The latest development could fit with evidence I find compelling ~ the dog alerts and the Smith sighting.
Like I asked before, explain how that all fits together then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2020, 11:44:59 PM
No I said the man who the Smith family saw could ,IMO, have been carrying a dead child from 5A to someone with a vehicle. The latest development could fit with evidence I find compelling ~ the dog alerts and the Smith sighting.

Feigned outrage...don’t let it bother you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 11:45:09 PM
http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826 (http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826)

Thank You, Heri.  Not good.  But nothing else to be done at the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:46:17 PM
Notice the desperate attempts by some to turn this latest news into more evidence against the McCanns.  If I hadn’t seen this tactic time and time again I would find it hard to believe but now literally nothing at all surprises me, the depths some people will sink, and the crass stupidity of the thoughts they actually choose to share with the rest of us.

Crass stupidity to suggest doctors could have relationships with paedophiles, for example? Let’s discuss the evidence available in the public domain and let’s not resort to insults and chaff. Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:47:44 PM
Crass stupidity to suggest doctors could have relationships with paedophiles, for example? Let’s discuss the evidence available in the public domain and let’s not resort to insults and chaff. Thank you in advance.
OK, start with the evidence presented this evening by the police and work it out from there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:49:13 PM
Feigned outrage...don’t let it bother you.
There is nothing feigned about my outrage.  I do find the desperate desire by some to keep the McCanns in the frame quite outrageous, though not surprising.  What about you? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:50:29 PM
I know exactly what you are suggesting - that this German paedo suspect was used to dispose of Madeleine's body.

I would believe compelling evidence of kidnap and murder. I believe this suspect should be fully investigated. No stone should be left unturned. It’s not me that refuses to accept certain conclusions are possible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 11:50:38 PM
The McCanns and Clement Freud became friends, correct?

Yes you are probably right.  So what does that mean?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:51:46 PM
I would believe compelling evidence of kidnap and murder. I believe this suspect should be fully investigated. No stone should be left unturned. It’s not me that refuses to accept certain conclusions are possible.
And what conclusions have you come as a result of today’s news that you believe are possible?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:54:01 PM
Like I asked before, explain how that all fits together then.

MM dies in 5A

Person unknown carries dead child to a waiting vehicle and is seen by Martin Smith and family.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:54:47 PM
I would believe compelling evidence of kidnap and murder. I believe this suspect should be fully investigated. No stone should be left unturned. It’s not me that refuses to accept certain conclusions are possible.
Let’s start with the suspect’s phone call.  He received one call from out of town on the night of the disappearance which lasted for approximately 30 minutes.  The number is known but not who made the call.  What conclusions can we draw from this?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 03, 2020, 11:55:09 PM
Madeleine McCann police 'have enough evidence to charge suspect with abduction and murder'
Christian Hoppe, director of Germany's National Crime Agency, said police think they have enough evidence to charge the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance with murdering her

By Jeremy Armstrong & Martin Fricker
21:49, 3 JUN 2020 UPDATED 22:11, 3 JUN 2020

Prosecutors in Germany have already begun building a strong case against the main suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, a drifter with a record of burglary and offences against young girls.

The man, now 43, had been living a “transient” life in a camper van, and working in and around Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday flat in the Algarve resort on May 3, 2007.

In the documentary Case Files XY Unsolved on German TV tonight, Christian Hoppe, director of the National Crime Agency, said German police believed they had almost enough evidence to charge him with Madeleine’s abduction and murder.

Herr Hoppe said that there may be some people associated with the suspect who were aware of his ­movements on the night Madeleine disappeared, and he appealed to them to come forward and “clear their conscience” now.

Police appealed to anyone in the resort at the time to fill “the final gaps” in the case, releasing photos of the man’s camper van and Jaguar car and details of a phone call he made on the night the three-year-old vanished.

Police had been aware of his ­presence in the resort and had been building up a case against him since parents Kate and Gerry McCann made an appeal for information on German TV in October, 2013.

The suspect had faced sexual and drug-dealing charges in Germany before he arrived in Portugal.

He had also been involved in theft and burglary in the country, where he lived from 1995 to 2007, when he returned to Germany.

Police are unclear if the suspected motive was a simple burglary and he had found Madeleine in the flat after he had broken in, or if he went with the intention to abduct her.

Police revealed the man’s Portuguese-registered phone was in the resort the night Madeleine vanished.

He received a half-hour phone call from another Portuguese number an hour before Madeleine was last seen.

His number, +351 912730680, and the caller’s number, +351 916510683, were released. The caller is not a suspect but is a “crucial witness” police now want to trace.

The programme revealed details of properties the suspect used in the area, one an apartment between Praia da Luz and Lagos, the other an empty property around 15km from Lagos.

Viewers were asked to send police any holiday snaps or video which could help their inquiries. In a reconstruction, Kate and Gerry McCann relived the moment they realised Madeleine was gone.

Kate told the programme, a version of Crimewatch, how they had returned from a tapas restaurant to find ­Madeleine’s bed empty.

She said: “It just seemed a very calm and peaceful place when we arrived there. When I went into her bedroom, I could not see her.

“I thought she was in our bedroom but she was not there either. The curtain went ‘pssh’ and I just remember seeing that the window had been opened.”

Gerry said from that moment they knew the “worst thing imaginable” had happened.

Scotland Yard Detective Chief Insp Mark Cranwell said the suspect had lived a “transient lifestyle” living in his camper van for “days on end”.

Police released photos of the man’s 1980s VW camper and Jaguar XJR-6, both were in Praia da Luz in 2007.

The Jaguar was re-registered in Germany to another person the day after Madeleine disappeared.

 The vehicles have since been seized in Germany and checked for forensic clues linking them to Madeleine.

The suspect had rented a ramshackle farm building from a British man two miles from the resort and had made money selling cars.

Former neighbours told Sky News he “disappeared without a word” from the Algarve farmhouse in 2006.

One said: “He arrived in the mid-90s and rented the place from the English owner.

"He went back to Germany at one stage and moved another German guy in to look after it, then came back and threw him out on the street.

“He was always a bit angry, driving fast up and down the lane. And then one day, around 2006, he just disappeared without a word.

"I think he left some rent unpaid. About six months later I was asked to help clean up the place and it was disgusting, ­absolutely vile.

“We found a bin bag and inside were wigs and exotic clothing.”

German authorities are treating their investigation as a murder inquiry, while Scotland Yard say it is still a missing person case.

Met Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy said: “It’s now 13 years since Madeleine went missing. Today is a significant point in time for the Met’s investigation.”

Kate and Gerry welcomed the breakthrough, saying: “All we have ever wanted is to find her, uncover the truth and bring those responsible to justice. We need to find peace.”

Scotland Yard said they were “aware” of the man before getting a tip-off in May 2017, but he had never previously been a suspect.

They worked alone on the tip for four months before agreeing to liaise with German colleagues.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Cundy said since then “a huge amount of work” had been done by the Met and German police.

“The outcome of that is that he is a suspect in the Met’s investigation.

"We will not be giving the name or the identity of this man, but I do recognise that some people will know this suspect.

"Somebody called his phone. We don’t know who that caller was.”

Det Chief Insp Mark Cranwell, who is leading Operation Grange, issued a description of the suspect.

He said: “He is white, has short blond hair, possibly fair, about six foot in height with a slim build. In 2007 he was 30 and may have looked somewhere between 25 and early 30s.”

Appealing to anyone who personally knows the man, he added: “This individual is in prison and we are conscious that some people may have been concerned about contacting police in the past.

“Now is the time to come forward.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-have-enough-22135055
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 11:55:16 PM
Clement Freud has got nothing to do with this latest news and you’re grasping at ever increasingly desperate straws.

Well, not really.  If you want to believe that The McCanns sold their daughter to a paedophile.  I can only wonder how much they got.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 03, 2020, 11:55:36 PM
And what conclusions have you come as a result of today’s news that you believe are possible?

I’ve answered that in my posts already.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:55:45 PM
MM dies in 5A

Person unknown carries dead child to a waiting vehicle and is seen by Martin Smith and family.
Where is the German child abuser suspect at this point?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2020, 11:57:10 PM
Is it worth pointing out that this an looks nothing like Martin Smith’s identification?
 

Blonde
30 but may look as young as 25
Six feet.


— Regarding the description of the individual who carried the child he states that: he was Caucasian, around 175 to 180m in height. He appeared to be about 35/40 years old. He had an average build, a bit on the thin side. His hair was short, in a basic male cut, brown in colour.

So if it isn’t the Smith’s sighting then we have two individuals carrying a little girl similar to Madeleine in pyjamas with bare feet around PDL on the same night....and figure in Tannerman, who doesn’t match the latest description either, and that makes three.

What a farce.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:57:15 PM
I’ve answered that in my posts already.
No you haven’t drawn any conclusions.  You’ve hinted at stuff and talked alot about the McCanns friendship with Clement Freud.  What conclusions do you draw from this and the latest news?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2020, 11:58:35 PM
MM dies in 5A

Person unknown carries dead child to a waiting vehicle and is seen by Martin Smith and family.

Yet the description doesn’t fit...too young...too tall and too blond.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 11:59:01 PM
It took 9 years for OG to find him with all their millions. Amaral had five months and a limited budget...so probably not,

To find who?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:01:03 AM
Madeleine McCann police 'have enough evidence to charge suspect with abduction and murder'
Christian Hoppe, director of Germany's National Crime Agency, said police think they have enough evidence to charge the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance with murdering her

By Jeremy Armstrong & Martin Fricker
21:49, 3 JUN 2020 UPDATED 22:11, 3 JUN 2020

Prosecutors in Germany have already begun building a strong case against the main suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, a drifter with a record of burglary and offences against young girls.

The man, now 43, had been living a “transient” life in a camper van, and working in and around Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday flat in the Algarve resort on May 3, 2007.

In the documentary Case Files XY Unsolved on German TV tonight, Christian Hoppe, director of the National Crime Agency, said German police believed they had almost enough evidence to charge him with Madeleine’s abduction and murder.

Herr Hoppe said that there may be some people associated with the suspect who were aware of his ­movements on the night Madeleine disappeared, and he appealed to them to come forward and “clear their conscience” now.

Police appealed to anyone in the resort at the time to fill “the final gaps” in the case, releasing photos of the man’s camper van and Jaguar car and details of a phone call he made on the night the three-year-old vanished.

Police had been aware of his ­presence in the resort and had been building up a case against him since parents Kate and Gerry McCann made an appeal for information on German TV in October, 2013.

The suspect had faced sexual and drug-dealing charges in Germany before he arrived in Portugal.

He had also been involved in theft and burglary in the country, where he lived from 1995 to 2007, when he returned to Germany.

Police are unclear if the suspected motive was a simple burglary and he had found Madeleine in the flat after he had broken in, or if he went with the intention to abduct her.

Police revealed the man’s Portuguese-registered phone was in the resort the night Madeleine vanished.

He received a half-hour phone call from another Portuguese number an hour before Madeleine was last seen.

His number, +351 912730680, and the caller’s number, +351 916510683, were released. The caller is not a suspect but is a “crucial witness” police now want to trace.

The programme revealed details of properties the suspect used in the area, one an apartment between Praia da Luz and Lagos, the other an empty property around 15km from Lagos.

Viewers were asked to send police any holiday snaps or video which could help their inquiries. In a reconstruction, Kate and Gerry McCann relived the moment they realised Madeleine was gone.

Kate told the programme, a version of Crimewatch, how they had returned from a tapas restaurant to find ­Madeleine’s bed empty.

She said: “It just seemed a very calm and peaceful place when we arrived there. When I went into her bedroom, I could not see her.

“I thought she was in our bedroom but she was not there either. The curtain went ‘pssh’ and I just remember seeing that the window had been opened.”

Gerry said from that moment they knew the “worst thing imaginable” had happened.

Scotland Yard Detective Chief Insp Mark Cranwell said the suspect had lived a “transient lifestyle” living in his camper van for “days on end”.

Police released photos of the man’s 1980s VW camper and Jaguar XJR-6, both were in Praia da Luz in 2007.

The Jaguar was re-registered in Germany to another person the day after Madeleine disappeared.

 The vehicles have since been seized in Germany and checked for forensic clues linking them to Madeleine.

The suspect had rented a ramshackle farm building from a British man two miles from the resort and had made money selling cars.

Former neighbours told Sky News he “disappeared without a word” from the Algarve farmhouse in 2006.

One said: “He arrived in the mid-90s and rented the place from the English owner.

"He went back to Germany at one stage and moved another German guy in to look after it, then came back and threw him out on the street.

“He was always a bit angry, driving fast up and down the lane. And then one day, around 2006, he just disappeared without a word.

"I think he left some rent unpaid. About six months later I was asked to help clean up the place and it was disgusting, ­absolutely vile.

“We found a bin bag and inside were wigs and exotic clothing.”

German authorities are treating their investigation as a murder inquiry, while Scotland Yard say it is still a missing person case.

Met Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy said: “It’s now 13 years since Madeleine went missing. Today is a significant point in time for the Met’s investigation.”

Kate and Gerry welcomed the breakthrough, saying: “All we have ever wanted is to find her, uncover the truth and bring those responsible to justice. We need to find peace.”

Scotland Yard said they were “aware” of the man before getting a tip-off in May 2017, but he had never previously been a suspect.

They worked alone on the tip for four months before agreeing to liaise with German colleagues.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Cundy said since then “a huge amount of work” had been done by the Met and German police.

“The outcome of that is that he is a suspect in the Met’s investigation.

"We will not be giving the name or the identity of this man, but I do recognise that some people will know this suspect.

"Somebody called his phone. We don’t know who that caller was.”

Det Chief Insp Mark Cranwell, who is leading Operation Grange, issued a description of the suspect.

He said: “He is white, has short blond hair, possibly fair, about six foot in height with a slim build. In 2007 he was 30 and may have looked somewhere between 25 and early 30s.”

Appealing to anyone who personally knows the man, he added: “This individual is in prison and we are conscious that some people may have been concerned about contacting police in the past.

“Now is the time to come forward.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-have-enough-22135055

Then charge him. I for one are desperate to see the evidence against him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 12:03:03 AM
Yes you are probably right.  So what does that mean?
IMO it means there is evidence to suggest that it is not “incredible” to believe that an unsuspecting individual can form friendly relationships with suspected paedophiles.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:03:45 AM
Crass stupidity to suggest doctors could have relationships with paedophiles, for example? Let’s discuss the evidence available in the public domain and let’s not resort to insults and chaff. Thank you in advance.

So what are you actually suggesting?  Could we have a bit more than innuendo?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:07:24 AM
MM dies in 5A

Person unknown carries dead child to a waiting vehicle and is seen by Martin Smith and family.

Excuse Me.  Well down the road a bit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:10:36 AM
Excuse Me.  Well down the road a bit.

And a bit shorter...and younger....and blonder....if the German is guilty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:16:52 AM
Is it worth pointing out that this an looks nothing like Martin Smith’s identification?
 

Blonde
30 but may look as young as 25
Six feet.


— Regarding the description of the individual who carried the child he states that: he was Caucasian, around 175 to 180m in height. He appeared to be about 35/40 years old. He had an average build, a bit on the thin side. His hair was short, in a basic male cut, brown in colour.

So if it isn’t the Smith’s sighting then we have two individuals carrying a little girl similar to Madeleine in pyjamas with bare feet around PDL on the same night....and figure in Tannerman, who doesn’t match the latest description either, and that makes three.

What a farce.

So you don't want this to be true anymore than I do.  But for entirely different reasons.  This could be really funny.  If only it were funny.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 12:18:18 AM
And a bit shorter...and younger....and blonder....if the German is guilty.


If the German is involved and if the Smith’s saw a man carrying MM it does not follow that the Smith’s saw the German.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:21:09 AM
This:

So Doctors have unfriendly relationships with paedophiles?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 12:22:43 AM
Is it worth pointing out that this an looks nothing like Martin Smith’s identification?
 

Blonde
30 but may look as young as 25
Six feet.


— Regarding the description of the individual who carried the child he states that: he was Caucasian, around 175 to 180m in height. He appeared to be about 35/40 years old. He had an average build, a bit on the thin side. His hair was short, in a basic male cut, brown in colour.

So if it isn’t the Smith’s sighting then we have two individuals carrying a little girl similar to Madeleine in pyjamas with bare feet around PDL on the same night....and figure in Tannerman, who doesn’t match the latest description either, and that makes three.

What a farce.

What makes you think this person has anything at all to do with the so called Smithman?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 12:24:23 AM
So you don't want this to be true anymore than I do.  But for entirely different reasons.  This could be really funny.  If only it were funny.

You’re deliberately muddying the waters. The suggestion I offered as a plausible scenario, IMO, was:

Dog alerts correct - MM died in 5A

Person unknown seen by Smith family carrying (dead) MM to ANOTHER person with a vehicle who conceals body.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:24:54 AM
And a bit shorter...and younger....and blonder....if the German is guilty.

You are absolutely right, Faith.  It probably wasn't that German.  I mean, do come on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:27:10 AM
So you don't want this to be true anymore than I do.  But for entirely different reasons.  This could be really funny.  If only it were funny.

What you and I want is a mute point now...what isn’t is that we now have a German, a Tannerman and a Smithman all running around PDL with a child that looks like Madeleine...it could be the start of a joke if it was the least bit funny.

TBH I now want the police to charge this individual and bring him to trial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Robittybob1 on June 04, 2020, 12:28:24 AM
What you and I want is a mute point now...what isn’t is that we now have a German, a Tannerman and a Smithman all running around PDL with a child that looks like Madeleine...it could be the start of a joke if it was the least bit funny.

TBH I now want the police to charge this individual and bring him to trial.
They will need more evidence first.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:29:35 AM
What makes you think this person has anything at all to do with the so called Smithman?

Because if he isn’t we have three individuals roaming around PDL with a girl that looks like Madeleine. Surely even you see the ridiculousness of that scenario ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 12:38:11 AM
What you and I want is a mute point now...what isn’t is that we now have a German, a Tannerman and a Smithman all running around PDL with a child that looks like Madeleine...it could be the start of a joke if it was the least bit funny.

TBH I now want the police to charge this individual and bring him to trial.

Tannerman has been accounted for according to Op Grange.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 12:46:08 AM
No you haven’t drawn any conclusions.  You’ve hinted at stuff and talked alot about the McCanns friendship with Clement Freud.  What conclusions do you draw from this and the latest news?

I don’t draw any conclusions from either. I’m open minded to various possibilities. I personally do find the dog alerts and the Smith sighting compelling. IMO MM died in 5A and the Smith family witnessed someone carrying her away from the apartment. This evidence alone does not allow us to make a definitive conclusion.

With regards to the German was it the car or camper van whose registration details were changed the day after MMs disappearance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:46:41 AM
Tannerman has been accounted for according to Op Grange.

He was still walking around with a child, who Tanner claimed, wore pyjamas similar to Madeleine and with bare feet. And then we have Martin Smith describing a similar child and now the German suspect.

Further there is the coincidence of the dogs only alerting in the McCann’s apartment and no other...if it does go to court it’ll be interesting to see how the prosecution explain that one away.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:48:14 AM
I don’t draw any conclusions from either. I’m open minded to various possibilities. I personally do find the dog alerts and the Smith sighting compelling. IMO MM died in 5A and the Smith family witnessed someone carrying her away from the apartment. This evidence alone does not allow us to make a definitive conclusion.

With regards to the German was it the car or camper van whose registration details were changed the day after MMs disappearance?

If the alerts are correct then Madeleine had to have been dead in the apartment for upwards of 90 minutes. How then could it have been the German ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:49:04 AM
You’re deliberately muddying the waters. The suggestion I offered as a plausible scenario, IMO, was:

Dog alerts correct - MM died in 5A

Person unknown seen by Smith family carrying (dead) MM to ANOTHER person with a vehicle who conceals body.

Actually, I was talking to Faith.  We are old hands at this.  And it was a joke anyway.  Faith would have known this.

Not that you should not be allowed to intervene  if you so choose.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 12:52:11 AM
What you and I want is a mute point now...what isn’t is that we now have a German, a Tannerman and a Smithman all running around PDL with a child that looks like Madeleine...it could be the start of a joke if it was the least bit funny.

TBH I now want the police to charge this individual and bring him to trial.

I think you are being deliberately obtuse ... you are so much more intelligent than that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:54:13 AM
What you and I want is a mute point now...what isn’t is that we now have a German, a Tannerman and a Smithman all running around PDL with a child that looks like Madeleine...it could be the start of a joke if it was the least bit funny.

TBH I now want the police to charge this individual and bring him to trial.

But only if it can be proved,  which is looking a bit dodgy at the moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 12:56:11 AM
Because if he isn’t we have three individuals roaming around PDL with a girl that looks like Madeleine. Surely even you see the ridiculousness of that scenario ?

Indeed we can.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 12:57:04 AM
I think you are being deliberately obtuse ... you are so much more intelligent than that.

In what way obtuse ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 12:57:46 AM
The article states this German chap was on the telephone for 30 minutes around the time Madeleine McCann went missing.
With whom could he have been in conversation with on the telephone ?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 12:59:22 AM
Even I couldn't fix it.

Granted it was badly worded. I just meant the Smith’s could have seen a man carrying MM and IMO the German could be involved in MM’s disappearance. However it doesn’t follow that the Smiths can’t have seen the man responsible as they obviously did not see the German. That is to say (at least) two people are involved, imo - Smithman and someone else he met with a vehicle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 01:01:26 AM
Not to worry..I follow the gist.

I never was a frightfully good Moderator, but there you go.

I don't know what any of this means or even if it is relevant.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 01:01:42 AM
The article states this German chap was on the telephone for 30 minutes around the time Madeleine McCann went missing.
With whom could he have been in conversation with on the telephone ?

Fingers crossed we find out!! Police have published the number.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 01:02:33 AM
But only if it can be proved,  which is looking a bit dodgy at the moment.

OG say Madeleine is still a missing person...the German police say they are looking to charge the individual with murder. Unless a body suddenly appears the case would have to be rock solid and it appears the investigators aren’t even in the same ballpark.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 01:04:41 AM
I never was a frightfully good Moderator, but there you go.

I don't know what any of this means or even if it is relevant.

You’re fair Eleanor...that’s all we can ask.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 01:05:14 AM
If the alerts are correct then Madeleine had to have been dead in the apartment for upwards of 90 minutes. How then could it have been the German ?

I didn’t say it was. Perhaps a possible scenario is the German was involved with concealment, IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 01:06:26 AM
Fingers crossed we find out!! Police have published the number.

Unless we know the content of the telephone call I don’t see how that takes us any further forward.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 01:07:09 AM
I think you are being deliberately obtuse ... you are so much more intelligent than that.

Ah well.  Thereby hangs Faith.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 01:10:35 AM
Unless we know the content of the telephone call I don’t see how that takes us any further forward.

Well that depends... the recipient of the call might be significant on its own.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 01:11:20 AM
Even I couldn't fix it.

We don't actually have to you know.  No where in The Rules does it say that I have to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 01:12:59 AM
We don't actually have to you know.  No where in The Rules does it say that I have to.

I fixed it for you with an explanation 😊
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 01:15:39 AM
Ah well.  Thereby hangs Faith.

Haven’t been around these parts in a while but it seems accusation without explanation is still Brietta’s MO....ah well whatever makes her happy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 01:17:29 AM
Because if he isn’t we have three individuals roaming around PDL with a girl that looks like Madeleine. Surely even you see the ridiculousness of that scenario ?

Actually you've counted it wrong if according to your post ... there was all wandering about and some allegedly seen by different people at different times ... which makes it possible they were one and the same individual.  For example since no-one actually claims to have seen Germanman he could well have been GermanTannerman.

But you know what ... I think the German police seem to have their finger on the pulse of all this and I can only imagine the joy their jailed psychopath is having at the attention while wallowing in the hurt and anguish he is causing much along the lines of the exhibition we have witnessed on this thread tonight.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 01:19:24 AM
The BBC has described this as the biggest breakthrough in the case to date and “really, really significant”.  It actually makes me feel sad and sick as it looks highly likely now that Madeleine really was abducted and murdered by a paedophile.  I was always certain this had been the case but always hoped to be wrong.

Well I suppose it was inevitable, we just had to have a distraction from the coronavirus and the fake press all went for it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 01:19:36 AM
Well that depends... the recipient of the call might be significant on its own.

I think it would be very difficult to prove, as opposed to accuse, from a single phone call.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 01:20:26 AM
In what way obtuse ?

Brietta was paying you a compliment.

Obtuse?  if only I knew how to be.  I don't, but it is certain sure that it is time that I learned.  And then none of us will get anywhere at all.  But it might be a bit of a fun game in the meantime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 01:22:51 AM
The article states this German chap was on the telephone for 30 minutes around the time Madeleine McCann went missing.
With whom could he have been in conversation with on the telephone ?

I don't suppose that you could tell us.  No, probably not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 01:27:37 AM
So you don’t believe there is any reason to suspect this convicted child abuser and holiday apartment burglar who was in PdL that night and who got rid of his car the day after Madeleine disappeared?

Actually they don't know if he was in PdL that night, obviously his mobile phone never pinged the telecoms transmitter.

It's the same story as with every other suspect, grasping desperately at ever decreasing straws.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 01:30:44 AM
Actually you've counted it wrong if according to your post ... there was
  • Innocentman
  • Tannerman
  • Smithman
  • Germanman
all wandering about and some allegedly seen by different people at different times ... which makes it possible they were one and the same individual.  For example since no-one actually claims to have seen Germanman he could well have been GermanTannerman.

But you know what ... I think the German police seem to have their finger on the pulse of all this and I can only imagine the joy their jailed psychopath is having at the attention while wallowing in the hurt and anguish he is causing much along the lines of the exhibition we have witnessed on this thread tonight.

I’m sorry but I’ve no idea who innocent man is.

Tannerman was the wrong height, age and hair colour to be Germanman....if the descriptions in the newspapers are correct. Same for Smithman...too small, too dark and too old. Of course Tannerman could, if you didn’t wear your specs, be Smithman but OG have all but eliminated Tannerman.

If the German police do have their finger on the pulse of all this then Madeleine is almost certainly dead...poor child...but that brings with it further problems...a cadaver dog alerted in an apartment of an almost certainly dead child but, by coincidence, it wasn’t to the dead child....doesn’t really stack up, does it ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 01:31:12 AM
Well I suppose it was inevitable, we just had to have a distraction from the coronavirus and the fake press all went for it.

So, you think it's all poppycock then John, this case will never be solved ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 01:35:36 AM
Well I suppose it was inevitable, we just had to have a distraction from the coronavirus and the fake press all went for it.

“Fake” about what? Coronavirus or that this German paedophile is a suspect in the MM case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 01:44:32 AM
Fingers crossed we find out!! Police have published the number.

Wow.  Someone Abducts a small child and then spends 30 minutes talking to the other person that helped.  I don't suppose we could know where he was at the time, could we?  And how Madeleine was.  Still asleep was she?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 01:50:03 AM
I’m sorry but I’ve no idea who innocent man is.

Tannerman was the wrong height, age and hair colour to be Germanman....if the descriptions in the newspapers are correct. Same for Smithman...too small, too dark and too old. Of course Tannerman could, if you didn’t wear your specs, be Smithman but OG have all but eliminated Tannerman.

If the German police do have their finger on the pulse of all this then Madeleine is almost certainly dead...poor child...but that brings with it further problems...a cadaver dog alerted in an apartment of an almost certainly dead child but, by coincidence, it wasn’t to the dead child....doesn’t really stack up, does it ?

I am utterly bemused by the fixation there appears to be with the dog barks which even the owner cautioned against in the absence of corroboration. 
If it comforts you to go with it ... fine by me ... but as you pointed out in an earlier post Amaral was as usual the source of a confidential leak which actually shows up his thesis for the amateur rubbish it always was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 01:51:47 AM
It was nice of Operation Grange to tip off Sky News and Martin Brunt so he could take a flight to Portugal at a time when only essential international travel should be undertaken so that he could do a report as Op Grange were going public with their latest suspect.

COVID-19 Exceptional Travel Advisory Notice - The Foreign & Commonwealth Office currently advises British nationals against all but essential international travel.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 01:59:00 AM
I’m sorry but I’ve no idea who innocent man is.

Tannerman was the wrong height, age and hair colour to be Germanman....if the descriptions in the newspapers are correct. Same for Smithman...too small, too dark and too old. Of course Tannerman could, if you didn’t wear your specs, be Smithman but OG have all but eliminated Tannerman.

If the German police do have their finger on the pulse of all this then Madeleine is almost certainly dead...poor child...but that brings with it further problems...a cadaver dog alerted in an apartment of an almost certainly dead child but, by coincidence, it wasn’t to the dead child....doesn’t really stack up, does it ?

Allow me to refresh your memory with a quote from Faithlilly in 2013.

Quote
For me Smithman and Innocentman's clothing are too similar for one to be ruled out on that alone. There is something else that has ruled Innocentman out and IMO it could only have come from Tanner.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2645.msg91650#msg91650
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 02:06:25 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8385667/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-vanished-suddenly-rented-home.html
The suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance is serving a seven-year jail sentence for the rape of 72-year-old American woman, according to reports.

The 43-year-old German criminal was convicted in Braunschweig district court last year for a rape he is said to have committed in Portugal in 2005.

He lived in the Algarve between 1995 and 2007, including for a few years in a house between Lagos and Praia da Luz, according to Braunschweig Zeitung.

Just two years before Maddie's disappearance, the criminal raped an American tourist, the newspaper reported......(article continues, seems he used to deal in cars)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 02:09:40 AM
Madeleine McCann police 'have enough evidence to charge suspect with abduction and murder'
Christian Hoppe, director of Germany's National Crime Agency, said police think they have enough evidence to charge the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance with murdering her

By Jeremy Armstrong & Martin Fricker
21:49, 3 JUN 2020 UPDATED 22:11, 3 JUN 2020

Prosecutors in Germany have already begun building a strong case against the main suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, a drifter with a record of burglary and offences against young girls.

The man, now 43, had been living a “transient” life in a camper van, and working in and around Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday flat in the Algarve resort on May 3, 2007.

In the documentary Case Files XY Unsolved on German TV tonight, Christian Hoppe, director of the National Crime Agency, said German police believed they had almost enough evidence to charge him with Madeleine’s abduction and murder.

Herr Hoppe said that there may be some people associated with the suspect who were aware of his ­movements on the night Madeleine disappeared, and he appealed to them to come forward and “clear their conscience” now.

Police appealed to anyone in the resort at the time to fill “the final gaps” in the case, releasing photos of the man’s camper van and Jaguar car and details of a phone call he made on the night the three-year-old vanished.

Police had been aware of his ­presence in the resort and had been building up a case against him since parents Kate and Gerry McCann made an appeal for information on German TV in October, 2013.

The suspect had faced sexual and drug-dealing charges in Germany before he arrived in Portugal.

He had also been involved in theft and burglary in the country, where he lived from 1995 to 2007, when he returned to Germany.

Police are unclear if the suspected motive was a simple burglary and he had found Madeleine in the flat after he had broken in, or if he went with the intention to abduct her.

Police revealed the man’s Portuguese-registered phone was in the resort the night Madeleine vanished.

He received a half-hour phone call from another Portuguese number an hour before Madeleine was last seen.

His number, +351 912730680, and the caller’s number, +351 916510683, were released. The caller is not a suspect but is a “crucial witness” police now want to trace.

The programme revealed details of properties the suspect used in the area, one an apartment between Praia da Luz and Lagos, the other an empty property around 15km from Lagos.

Viewers were asked to send police any holiday snaps or video which could help their inquiries. In a reconstruction, Kate and Gerry McCann relived the moment they realised Madeleine was gone.

Kate told the programme, a version of Crimewatch, how they had returned from a tapas restaurant to find ­Madeleine’s bed empty.

She said: “It just seemed a very calm and peaceful place when we arrived there. When I went into her bedroom, I could not see her.

“I thought she was in our bedroom but she was not there either. The curtain went ‘pssh’ and I just remember seeing that the window had been opened.”

Gerry said from that moment they knew the “worst thing imaginable” had happened.

Scotland Yard Detective Chief Insp Mark Cranwell said the suspect had lived a “transient lifestyle” living in his camper van for “days on end”.

Police released photos of the man’s 1980s VW camper and Jaguar XJR-6, both were in Praia da Luz in 2007.

The Jaguar was re-registered in Germany to another person the day after Madeleine disappeared.

 The vehicles have since been seized in Germany and checked for forensic clues linking them to Madeleine.

The suspect had rented a ramshackle farm building from a British man two miles from the resort and had made money selling cars.

Former neighbours told Sky News he “disappeared without a word” from the Algarve farmhouse in 2006.

One said: “He arrived in the mid-90s and rented the place from the English owner.

"He went back to Germany at one stage and moved another German guy in to look after it, then came back and threw him out on the street.

“He was always a bit angry, driving fast up and down the lane. And then one day, around 2006, he just disappeared without a word.

"I think he left some rent unpaid. About six months later I was asked to help clean up the place and it was disgusting, ­absolutely vile.

“We found a bin bag and inside were wigs and exotic clothing.”

German authorities are treating their investigation as a murder inquiry, while Scotland Yard say it is still a missing person case.

Met Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy said: “It’s now 13 years since Madeleine went missing. Today is a significant point in time for the Met’s investigation.”

Kate and Gerry welcomed the breakthrough, saying: “All we have ever wanted is to find her, uncover the truth and bring those responsible to justice. We need to find peace.”

Scotland Yard said they were “aware” of the man before getting a tip-off in May 2017, but he had never previously been a suspect.

They worked alone on the tip for four months before agreeing to liaise with German colleagues.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Cundy said since then “a huge amount of work” had been done by the Met and German police.

“The outcome of that is that he is a suspect in the Met’s investigation.

"We will not be giving the name or the identity of this man, but I do recognise that some people will know this suspect.

"Somebody called his phone. We don’t know who that caller was.”

Det Chief Insp Mark Cranwell, who is leading Operation Grange, issued a description of the suspect.

He said: “He is white, has short blond hair, possibly fair, about six foot in height with a slim build. In 2007 he was 30 and may have looked somewhere between 25 and early 30s.”

Appealing to anyone who personally knows the man, he added: “This individual is in prison and we are conscious that some people may have been concerned about contacting police in the past.

“Now is the time to come forward.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-have-enough-22135055

Operation Grange would not have gone public with this unless they had hit a brick wall. They have no tangible proof that this German was in any way involved in Madeleine's disappearance, their so-called evidence consists merely of coincidences.

They are hoping someone reads this story and chooses to come forward with incriminating information.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 02:11:11 AM
Wow.  Someone Abducts a small child and then spends 30 minutes talking to the other person that helped.  I don't suppose we could know where he was at the time, could we?  And how Madeleine was.  Still asleep was she?

Not sure what you’re implying here. According to your narrative MM was alive at 7:30pm. We don’t know the significance of the call but I believe the German authorities are right to try to trace the recipient.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 02:11:34 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8385667/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-vanished-suddenly-rented-home.html
The suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance is serving a seven-year jail sentence for the rape of 72-year-old American woman, according to reports.

The 43-year-old German criminal was convicted in Braunschweig district court last year for a rape he is said to have committed in Portugal in 2005.

He lived in the Algarve between 1995 and 2007, including for a few years in a house between Lagos and Praia da Luz, according to Braunschweig Zeitung.

Just two years before Maddie's disappearance, the criminal raped an American tourist, the newspaper reported......(article continues, seems he used to deal in cars)

Doesn't sound much like a paedophile if he targeted older women.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 02:16:57 AM
interesting article, that claims his residence was alongside the route the Mccanns would have used from their hotel to the beach.
And sheds more light on the Jaguar, apparently he was a second hand car dealer.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 02:23:37 AM
Doesn't sound much like a paedophile.

Further details here - you can download the English pdf to read. He had several previous sexual convictions.
https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/BekanntePersonen/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt.html?nn=26874#detailinformationen132470

He had to be extradited from Italy before he was convicted in Braunschweig last year. The case against him was based on DNA results which were only verified at the end of 2018.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Vergewaltigung-in-Portugal-Mann-vor-Gericht,aktuellbraunschweig3482.html&prev=search

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 02:25:42 AM
Operation Grange would not have gone public with this unless they had hit a brick wall. They have no tangible proof that this German was in any way involved in Madeleine's disappearance, their so-called evidence consists merely of coincidences.

They are hoping someone reads this story and chooses to come forward with incriminating information.

Sadly I think that you are right.  But I can't be dealing with this at the moment.  And most of it probably isn't true anyway.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 02:42:24 AM
Sadly I think that you are right.  But I can't be dealing with this at the moment.  And most of it probably isn't true anyway.

Operation Grange previously took great pains to inform us all that they would not be giving a running commentary on this case but now they arrange for details relating to this latest scapegoat alleged suspect to be plastered all over the news channels. IMO this is the end for Grange.

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 02:48:19 AM
Christopher Davis

https://twnews.co.uk/uk-news/is-this-the-final-twist-of-the-madeleine-mccann-mystery-i-ve-investigated-for-13-years

During my 40 years as a reporter I have covered countless epoch-defining events.  Yet the question that most people ask me is invariably the same: ‘What really happened to Madeleine McCann?’


 
For 13 of those years I have striven vainly, like many others — Portuguese and British policemen, privately hired detectives, investigative journalists — to provide the answer.

The trail has taken me from Praia da Luz — that far-flung Algarve holiday resort whose name will be forever associated with the most disquieting and astonishing child abduction case in history — all across Europe, and even to North Africa.

It has led me, sometimes literally, down countless blind alleys, and thrown up more red-herrings than a capsized trawler.

But perhaps significantly, given last night’s dramatic Scotland Yard briefing, one of the myriad oddballs whose name came up repeatedly during my inquiries lived in a battered camper-van, and had a young German girlfriend with whom he shambled around southern Portugal.


So UK press know who this man is....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 02:55:18 AM
Not sure what you’re implying here. According to your narrative MM was alive at 7:30pm. We don’t know the significance of the call but I believe the German authorities are right to try to trace the recipient.

What narrative?  I have never said any such thing.  Although Madeleine almost certainly was.  But don't you be putting words into my mouth, unless you can prove it, of course.

However, there will be No discussion of Paedophillia because I won't have it.  Hopefully you weren't going there.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 03:01:04 AM
interesting article, that claims his residence was alongside the route the Mccanns would have used from their hotel to the beach.
And sheds more light on the Jaguar, apparently he was a second hand car dealer.

What Jaguar?  Surely not the Jaguar that was owned by Goncalo Amaral?  Oh My. this is getting really interesting  now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 03:14:35 AM
Operation Grange previously took great pains to inform us all that they would not be giving a running commentary on this case but now they arrange for details relating to this latest scapegoat alleged suspect to be plastered all over the news channels. IMO this is the end for Grange.

Well there you go, Love.  You can all get back to the aberration of The Bamber Forum.  I am not having anything to do with that.

I wouldn't Moderate that Forum if you paid me.

I will stick with what little there still is for Madeleine .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 03:40:35 AM
Operation Grange would not have gone public with this unless they had hit a brick wall. They have no tangible proof that this German was in any way involved in Madeleine's disappearance, their so-called evidence consists merely of coincidences.

They are hoping someone reads this story and chooses to come forward with incriminating information.

You are almost certainly right.  But I am now a bit beyond the pale.  I am only certain that The McCanns had nothing to with the disappearance of their daughter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 04, 2020, 03:46:42 AM
Fingers crossed we find out!! Police have published the number.

What Number?  The man is in prison.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 04, 2020, 05:25:36 AM
What Jaguar?  Surely not the Jaguar that was owned by Goncalo Amaral?  Oh My. this is getting really interesting  now.
Can you not read?!!!  German and/or British forensics will no doubt have been through both the Jaguar and VW Campervan with fine tooth combs and electrophoresis gel in the search for Madeleine McCann's DNA... and possibly found it, but just keeping the results up their sleeve at the mo.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8384769/Major-breakthrough-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-police-identify-German-suspect.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8384769/Major-breakthrough-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-police-identify-German-suspect.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 06:12:27 AM
Operation Grange would not have gone public with this unless they had hit a brick wall. They have no tangible proof that this German was in any way involved in Madeleine's disappearance, their so-called evidence consists merely of coincidences.

They are hoping someone reads this story and chooses to come forward with incriminating information.
Indeed End of the line,if it's a false lead then what? the supporters already have him guilty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 06:16:52 AM
Not forgetting this from earlier in the year.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-quiz-british-21556263
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:21:00 AM
The article states this German chap was on the telephone for 30 minutes around the time Madeleine McCann went missing.
With whom could he have been in conversation with on the telephone ?
Well it wasn’t the McCanns as some here seem to be suggesting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:24:41 AM
Doesn't sound much like a paedophile if he targeted older women.
What about the convictions for offences against children, aren’t they relevant?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:26:40 AM
Can you not read?!!!  German and/or British forensics will no doubt have been through both the Jaguar and VW Campervan with fine tooth combs and electrophoresis gel in the search for Madeleine McCann's DNA... and possibly found it, but just keeping the results up their sleeve at the mo.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8384769/Major-breakthrough-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-police-identify-German-suspect.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8384769/Major-breakthrough-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-police-identify-German-suspect.html)
I thought this too. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 07:27:51 AM
Indeed End of the line,if it's a false lead then what? the supporters already have him guilty.

I haven't seen one supporter refer to him as guiltily.. Yet several sceptics refer to him as a scapegoat/innocent
We need to wait and see what evidence they have
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:30:19 AM
Operation Grange previously took great pains to inform us all that they would not be giving a running commentary on this case but now they arrange for details relating to this latest scapegoat alleged suspect to be plastered all over the news channels. IMO this is the end for Grange.
So you don’t think the police should be making a public appeal for more information about a known paedophile who was known to have been in PdL the night Madeleine disappeared and who went to some lengths to change the ownership details of his car the very next day?   What makes you say he’s a scapegoat?  Have you got another suspect in mind?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 07:51:03 AM
Indeed End of the line,if it's a false lead then what? the supporters already have him guilty.
Please don't be sillier about this than is absolutely necessary.  It is the German police who will have the responsibility of inditing him if there is enough evidence to charge him.  If he is charged he will go through due process in the German Courts.
That hasn't happened yet.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 08:02:11 AM
Operation Grange previously took great pains to inform us all that they would not be giving a running commentary on this case but now they arrange for details relating to this latest scapegoat alleged suspect to be plastered all over the news channels. IMO this is the end for Grange.

This may well be the end game for Grange and if it is this wouldnt be a running commentary...it would be the result so in that respect would Grange...who have said little all along make such a statement now...with the support of the german police...if they were not fairly sure.
  This will come as an unpleasant shock for those who have spent the past years convinced the McCanns were guilty...convinced SY were useless and convinced amaral was right. If this man is found guilty what will it say for amaral....for the portuguese courts...for the portuguese press...for the portuguese police who gave up when they couldnt pin the crime on the Mccanns...humiliation for all of them and all ..including poster here ...who have supported them.

amaral may well have been kept in the loop and knew what was coming which would explain his silence...his failure to write another book and his failure to carry out his threat to sue the McCanns...it all fits
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2020, 08:02:23 AM
Not forgetting this from earlier in the year.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-quiz-british-21556263
yes, but the age is 51 vs. 43.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 08:07:13 AM
Do you know what I reckon?  I reckon Boris ordered The Met to make up this story to deflect from the Coronavirus crisis.  There I said it before anyone else had to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 08:09:44 AM
For those who can’t grasp the idea of there having been more than one child being carried through the streets of PdL at various times that night by innocent fathers, consider how many children were at the night creche that night, and how they might have been transported home by their parents.  I seem to recall one or two dozen, but I’m sure someone will know the exact figure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 08:28:23 AM
This may well be the end game for Grange and if it is this wouldnt be a running commentary...it would be the result so in that respect would Grange...who have said little all along make such a statement now...with the support of the german police...if they were not fairly sure.
  This will come as an unpleasant shock for those who have spent the past years convinced the McCanns were guilty...convinced SY were useless and convinced amaral was right. If this man is found guilty what will it say for amaral....for the portuguese courts...for the portuguese press...for the portuguese police who gave up when they couldnt pin the crime on the Mccanns...humiliation for all of them and all ..including poster here ...who have supported them.

amaral may well have been kept in the loop and knew what was coming which would explain his silence...his failure to write another book and his failure to carry out his threat to sue the McCanns...it all fits

Sometimes he worked as a waiter.

He was a burglar.

He was an itinerant with easy access to vehicles and property in or near Pria da Luz ... where he was on the night Madeleine vanished.

What a profile!

Yet it appears that Amaral didn't manage to pick up on any of that and check it out at the time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 08:28:45 AM
More interesting details here

Madeleine McCann: Thirteen years of false hope
Fiona HamiltonJune 04 2020, 12.01am
Even when DNA tests were carried out on a girl’s body found in a suitcase in Adelaide, Australia, they constantly kept the search alive for their daughter. The Portuguese investigation, which was closed in 2008 and reviewed by Scotland Yard in 2011, ran to 30,000 pages of files. There have been nearly 9,000 potential sightings across 101 countries.

These include a “sad-looking” girl standing at a petrol station in Marrakesh days after the disappearance, a young girl with a French or Belgian couple holidaying in India, and a possible sighting in Queenstown, New Zealand, of the girl with the same coloboma of the iris as Madeleine. In February 2008 a parish councillor in Dorset said that Madeleine was brought to his home by a Portuguese couple looking to buy garden furniture.

Most of the sightings have been examined and dismissed by detectives in Operation Grange, the Met’s inquiry into the disappearance. Sparked by then David Cameron’s request in 2011 that police review the case, it has since cost nearly £12 million.

In 2013 the Met said that it had “genuinely new” lines of inquiry and had identified 38 people of interest, including 12 Britons. A Crimewatch appeal that year, in which two e-fit images of a man described as having “vital importance” were released, resulted in more than 1,000 responses. The white man, aged between 20 and 40, was seen walking towards the sea carrying a child of a similar age to Madeleine on the night she vanished in Praia da Luz.

In January 2014 British police were reported to be investigating three burglars in the area when Madeleine disappeared. Detectives had previously highlighted sightings of men who said they were collecting money for a bogus orphanage on the day. Two months later, in March 2014, police sought a lone intruder who had sexually assaulted five girls aged between the ages of seven and ten in the Algarve between 2004 and 2006. Sites were excavated in Praia da Luz that year after a request by the Met, but nothing was found.

In 2017 Mark Rowley, the assistant commissioner in charge of the inquiry, said that police had a “significant line of inquiry” but would not elaborate further. He added that a burglar who panicked or a sexual attacker were among the theories being explored.

Last year, on the 12th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance, the Portguese tabloid Correio da Manha revealed there was a new suspect flagged by Scotland Yard. A former Portuguese police chief ruled out Martin Ney, a German paedophile jailed for life in 2012 for the abduction of three children, after speculation in the British tabloids.

In a statement yesterday the McCanns said: “All we have ever wanted is to find her, uncover the truth and bring those responsible to justice. We will never give up hope of finding Madeleine alive but whatever the outcome may be, we need to know, as we need to find peace.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 08:29:51 AM
Sometimes he worked as a waiter.

He was a burglar.

He was an itinerant with easy access to vehicles and property in or near Pria da Luz ... where he was on the night Madeleine vanished.

What a profile!

Yet it appears that Amaral didn't manage to pick up on any of that and check it out at the time.
According to Amaral the PT police ruled him out in 2008.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 08:33:59 AM
The German police are releasing more details today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 08:49:24 AM
According to Amaral the PT police ruled him out in 2008.

He had been sacked from the case before that just after Madeleine's parents were made arguidos so I doubt if his investigation had picked up on him and Amaral certainly was ruled by his own mindset.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 09:05:46 AM
Please don't be sillier about this than is absolutely necessary.  It is the German police who will have the responsibility of inditing him if there is enough evidence to charge him.  If he is charged he will go through due process in the German Courts.
That hasn't happened yet.
What jurisdiction will a German court have over a crime committed in Portugal ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 09:07:16 AM
Sometimes he worked as a waiter.

He was a burglar.

He was an itinerant with easy access to vehicles and property in or near Pria da Luz ... where he was on the night Madeleine vanished.

What a profile!

Yet it appears that Amaral didn't manage to pick up on any of that and check it out at the time.
That's it then nailed on cert.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 09:17:09 AM
What jurisdiction will a German court have over a crime committed in Portugal ?

It does seem strange but according to the report he was tried and convicted in Germany re the rape of a woman in portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 09:18:29 AM
Was the victim German that would make sense
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 04, 2020, 09:18:47 AM
He may be the one who took Madeleine from her bed,  he was a burglar so knew how to get into the apartments.  I think IMO he passed her on to an accomplice [Smithman]  who was taking her to German mans  camper van.  IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 09:22:19 AM
Was the victim German that would make sense

According to the report no... American. I think that for serious crimes abroad the fact that he is German means he can be tried in Germany
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2020, 09:25:41 AM
Sometimes he worked as a waiter.

He was a burglar.

He was an itinerant with easy access to vehicles and property in or near Pria da Luz ... where he was on the night Madeleine vanished.

What a profile!

Yet it appears that Amaral didn't manage to pick up on any of that and check it out at the time.

When I was interviewed by the BBC in 2017 I said: "What OG has to do to solve the case, is to locate the burglar(s) that was(were) active, close in space and time to Madeleine's abduction." But that part did not appeared in the TV programme.

Anyway, making an appeal is very dangerous. I think new witnesses testimonies can not be taken as proof. They have to get more solid evidence like photos and the like. Even OG is not totally sure if the phone number they published was of the 43 yo german.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 09:33:21 AM
Wow.  Someone Abducts a small child and then spends 30 minutes talking to the other person that helped.  I don't suppose we could know where he was at the time, could we?  And how Madeleine was.  Still asleep was she?

Someone phoned HIM for over half an hour (call ending 20:02) and the call placed him in PdL.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2020, 09:37:58 AM
... and who went to some lengths to change the ownership details of his car the very next day?

Not sure he changed the ownership the next day. That was said by the media, not by the German police:

"The last know registration after the day of the offence was a city of Augsburg registration."



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 09:41:26 AM
It was nice of Operation Grange to tip off Sky News and Martin Brunt so he could take a flight to Portugal at a time when only essential international travel should be undertaken so that he could do a report as Op Grange were going public with their latest suspect.

COVID-19 Exceptional Travel Advisory Notice - The Foreign & Commonwealth Office currently advises British nationals against all but essential international travel.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/portugal

Was he reporting from PdL?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 10:16:28 AM
Was the victim German that would make sense

American
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 10:19:06 AM
Doesn't sound much like a paedophile if he targeted older women.

He'd already been convicted for child sexual offences (and drug trafficking). Some people aren't that fussy.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.braunschweiger-zeitung.de%2Fmitreden%2Fantworten%2Farticle229249670%2FFall-Maddie-McCann-Neue-Spur-fuehrt-nach-Braunschweig.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 10:19:43 AM
Not sure what you’re implying here. According to your narrative MM was alive at 7:30pm. We don’t know the significance of the call but I believe the German authorities are right to try to trace the recipient.

The recipient is the suspect.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 10:27:45 AM
Someone phoned HIM for over half an hour (call ending 20:02) and the call placed him in PdL.

Half an hour is a long time to chat on a mobile to someone who knows how to enter properties.  In my opinion it might be an indication that Madeleine was targeted for someone else and the reason why SY hold on to the hope she may still be alive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 10:28:51 AM
Madeleine McCann police 'have enough evidence to charge suspect with abduction and murder'
Christian Hoppe, director of Germany's National Crime Agency, said police think they have enough evidence to charge the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance with murdering her

By Jeremy Armstrong & Martin Fricker
21:49, 3 JUN 2020 UPDATED 22:11, 3 JUN 2020

Prosecutors in Germany have already begun building a strong case against the main suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, a drifter with a record of burglary and offences against young girls.

The man, now 43, had been living a “transient” life in a camper van, and working in and around Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday flat in the Algarve resort on May 3, 2007.

In the documentary Case Files XY Unsolved on German TV tonight, Christian Hoppe, director of the National Crime Agency, said German police believed they had almost enough evidence to charge him with Madeleine’s abduction and murder.

Herr Hoppe said that there may be some people associated with the suspect who were aware of his ­movements on the night Madeleine disappeared, and he appealed to them to come forward and “clear their conscience” now.

Police appealed to anyone in the resort at the time to fill “the final gaps” in the case, releasing photos of the man’s camper van and Jaguar car and details of a phone call he made on the night the three-year-old vanished.

Police had been aware of his ­presence in the resort and had been building up a case against him since parents Kate and Gerry McCann made an appeal for information on German TV in October, 2013.

The suspect had faced sexual and drug-dealing charges in Germany before he arrived in Portugal.

He had also been involved in theft and burglary in the country, where he lived from 1995 to 2007, when he returned to Germany.

Police are unclear if the suspected motive was a simple burglary and he had found Madeleine in the flat after he had broken in, or if he went with the intention to abduct her.

Police revealed the man’s Portuguese-registered phone was in the resort the night Madeleine vanished.

He received a half-hour phone call from another Portuguese number an hour before Madeleine was last seen.

His number, +351 912730680, and the caller’s number, +351 916510683, were released. The caller is not a suspect but is a “crucial witness” police now want to trace.

The programme revealed details of properties the suspect used in the area, one an apartment between Praia da Luz and Lagos, the other an empty property around 15km from Lagos.

Viewers were asked to send police any holiday snaps or video which could help their inquiries. In a reconstruction, Kate and Gerry McCann relived the moment they realised Madeleine was gone.

Kate told the programme, a version of Crimewatch, how they had returned from a tapas restaurant to find ­Madeleine’s bed empty.

She said: “It just seemed a very calm and peaceful place when we arrived there. When I went into her bedroom, I could not see her.

“I thought she was in our bedroom but she was not there either. The curtain went ‘pssh’ and I just remember seeing that the window had been opened.”

Gerry said from that moment they knew the “worst thing imaginable” had happened.

Scotland Yard Detective Chief Insp Mark Cranwell said the suspect had lived a “transient lifestyle” living in his camper van for “days on end”.

Police released photos of the man’s 1980s VW camper and Jaguar XJR-6, both were in Praia da Luz in 2007.

The Jaguar was re-registered in Germany to another person the day after Madeleine disappeared.

 The vehicles have since been seized in Germany and checked for forensic clues linking them to Madeleine.

The suspect had rented a ramshackle farm building from a British man two miles from the resort and had made money selling cars.

Former neighbours told Sky News he “disappeared without a word” from the Algarve farmhouse in 2006.

One said: “He arrived in the mid-90s and rented the place from the English owner.

"He went back to Germany at one stage and moved another German guy in to look after it, then came back and threw him out on the street.

“He was always a bit angry, driving fast up and down the lane. And then one day, around 2006, he just disappeared without a word.

"I think he left some rent unpaid. About six months later I was asked to help clean up the place and it was disgusting, ­absolutely vile.

“We found a bin bag and inside were wigs and exotic clothing.”

German authorities are treating their investigation as a murder inquiry, while Scotland Yard say it is still a missing person case.

Met Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy said: “It’s now 13 years since Madeleine went missing. Today is a significant point in time for the Met’s investigation.”

Kate and Gerry welcomed the breakthrough, saying: “All we have ever wanted is to find her, uncover the truth and bring those responsible to justice. We need to find peace.”

Scotland Yard said they were “aware” of the man before getting a tip-off in May 2017, but he had never previously been a suspect.

They worked alone on the tip for four months before agreeing to liaise with German colleagues.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Cundy said since then “a huge amount of work” had been done by the Met and German police.

“The outcome of that is that he is a suspect in the Met’s investigation.

"We will not be giving the name or the identity of this man, but I do recognise that some people will know this suspect.

"Somebody called his phone. We don’t know who that caller was.”

Det Chief Insp Mark Cranwell, who is leading Operation Grange, issued a description of the suspect.

He said: “He is white, has short blond hair, possibly fair, about six foot in height with a slim build. In 2007 he was 30 and may have looked somewhere between 25 and early 30s.”

Appealing to anyone who personally knows the man, he added: “This individual is in prison and we are conscious that some people may have been concerned about contacting police in the past.

“Now is the time to come forward.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-have-enough-22135055






So why didnt they wait till they have charged him - why are they appealing for witnesses now from 13 years ago.

Was the place where he lived searched - the grounds ect.

If this is not a scapegoat - searching the land where he lived... you would expect to have been already done.

As the obvious place where Maddie could be

But bet it hasn't - have they got the next month 6 month funding yet.


This was predicted several months ago by GA - dont hold your breath it is going to be him. imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 10:33:00 AM
Half an hour is a long time to chat on a mobile to someone who knows how to enter properties.  In my opinion it might be an indication that Madeleine was targeted for someone else and the reason why SY hold on to the hope she may still be alive.


Or it could have been a chat line - judging by his character it would be obvious what sort of chatline it would be.

could be nothing to do with Maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 10:33:25 AM





So why didnt they wait till they have charged him - why are they appealing for witnesses now from 13 years ago.

Was the place where he lived searched - the grounds ect.

If this is not a scapegoat - searching the land where he lived... you would expect to have been already done.

As the obvious place where Maddie could be

But bet it hasn't - have they got the next month 6 month funding yet.


This was predicted several months ago by GA - dont hold your breath it is going to be him. imo
It wasn't predicted by amaral....more like leaked that they were on this suspects trail. Hopefully SY have solved it where amaral and the PJ failed...we wil soon see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 10:33:34 AM
The recipient is the suspect.

It is the sender ... who is not a suspect ... who they are interested in tracing.  I am more than a little curious about who that is too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 10:34:28 AM

Or it could have been a chat line - judging by his character it would be obvious what sort of chatline it would be

if you read the article it was an incoming call so not a chatline
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: mrswah on June 04, 2020, 10:35:03 AM
Well there you go, Love.  You can all get back to the aberration of The Bamber Forum.  I am not having anything to do with that.

I wouldn't Moderate that Forum if you paid me.

I will stick with what little there still is for Madeleine .


And I've been wondering why the Bamber forum is quieter than usual!  I only heard about the new development in the Madeleine case this morning.

Well, I believe the media less and less these days, but I hope the police are getting somewhere with this case.  Like most people, I have always hoped Madeleine would be found alive, but never really believed she would be. IF this man turns out to be the "perp", at least the McCann family would have answers, and hopefully, people would stop blaming them for their child's disappearance. The police deserve to have this case solved too---IMO, they have worked very hard.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 10:38:40 AM
Further details here - you can download the English pdf to read. He had several previous sexual convictions.
https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/BekanntePersonen/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt.html?nn=26874#detailinformationen132470

He had to be extradited from Italy before he was convicted in Braunschweig last year. The case against him was based on DNA results which were only verified at the end of 2018.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Vergewaltigung-in-Portugal-Mann-vor-Gericht,aktuellbraunschweig3482.html&prev=search

Good find, Misty.

Was the extradition from Italy from a different source? I didn't find it in the links.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 10:38:58 AM
It wasn't predicted by amaral....more like leaked that they were on this suspects trail. Hopefully SY have solved it where amaral and the PJ failed...we wil soon see.


Well they are taking there time.


Police said the suspect was one of 600 people that detectives on the inquiry, known as Operation Grange, originally looked at, though he had not been a suspect.

After an appeal in 2017, "significant" fresh information about him was provided.

Since then, Met detectives have carried out "extensive inquiries" in Portugal and Germany in order to gather more details about him.

Scotland Yard said they were trying to "prove or disprove" his involvement in the case and retained an "open mind".
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 10:41:54 AM

Well they are taking there time.


Police said the suspect was one of 600 people that detectives on the inquiry, known as Operation Grange, originally looked at, though he had not been a suspect.

After an appeal in 2017, "significant" fresh information about him was provided.

Since then, Met detectives have carried out "extensive inquiries" in Portugal and Germany in order to gather more details about him.

Scotland Yard said they were trying to "prove or disprove" his involvement in the case and retained an "open mind".

I realise thsi news must be very upsetting for you, it could also prove amaral wrong....we need to just wait and see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 10:44:59 AM





So why didnt they wait till they have charged him - why are they appealing for witnesses now from 13 years ago.

Was the place where he lived searched - the grounds ect.

If this is not a scapegoat - searching the land where he lived... you would expect to have been already done.

As the obvious place where Maddie could be

But bet it hasn't - have they got the next month 6 month funding yet.


This was predicted several months ago by GA - dont hold your breath it is going to be him. imo

We are talking the GERMAN police here.
In case you missed it ... the investigation involves German - Portuguese and English cops and the German suspect in the German prison has quite a record which includes burglary.

Amaral made an idiot of himself when he immediately ruled out illicit entry to the McCann apartment and tried his level best to make liars of Madeleine's parents as a result.
The pigeons have come home to roost on that one ... but you know that already.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 10:47:57 AM
I realise thsi news must be very upsetting for you, it could also prove amaral wrong....we need to just wait and see.

What a silly childish reply - why should it be upsetting for me.

What is upsetting if true is what would have been done to her.

All because she did not get the protection she deserved and how obvious the leaving of the children was to others.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 10:52:08 AM
Good find, Misty.

Was the extradition from Italy from a different source? I didn't find it in the links.

Details of extradition at this link, Carana.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/braunschweig/article227939701/Sieben-Jahre-Haft-wegen-brutaler-Vergewaltigung-in-Portugal.html&prev=search
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 10:54:13 AM
We are talking the GERMAN police here.
In case you missed it ... the investigation involves German - Portuguese and English cops and the German suspect in the German prison has quite a record which includes burglary.

Amaral made an idiot of himself when he immediately ruled out illicit entry to the McCann apartment and tried his level best to make liars of Madeleine's parents as a result.
The pigeons have come home to roost on that one ... but you know that already.

Know what then.

Apart from you being judge and jury - bear in mind B it's over when the fat lady sings.

This could all go the same way as the other suspects have IMO -  we have been here before so has the pigeons.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
What a silly childish reply - why should it be upsetting for me.

What is upsetting if true is what would have been done to her.

All because she did not get the protection she deserved and how obvious the leaving of the children was to others.

i totally agree she shouldnt have been left. the point i'm making it must be very upsetting for you that if this is true then you have been wrong all along
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 10:57:09 AM
Allow me to refresh your memory with a quote from Faithlilly in 2013.

Quote
For me Smithman and Innocentman's clothing are too similar for one to be ruled out on that alone. There is something else that has ruled Innocentman out and IMO it could only have come from Tanner.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2645.msg91650#msg91650

7 YEARS AGO ! No wonder I didn’t remember it.

From reading back it would appear Innocentman ( coined by Icabod I think ) was Tannerman.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 10:57:44 AM

And I've been wondering why the Bamber forum is quieter than usual!  I only heard about the new development in the Madeleine case this morning.

Well, I believe the media less and less these days, but I hope the police are getting somewhere with this case.  Like most people, I have always hoped Madeleine would be found alive, but never really believed she would be. IF this man turns out to be the "perp", at least the McCann family would have answers, and hopefully, people would stop blaming them for their child's disappearance. The police deserve to have this case solved too---IMO, they have worked very hard.

There are those who will never give up on the 'campaign' both personal and organised against the McCann family.


There is no guarantee that Kate and Gerry will get closure even if evidence is found which is strong enough to enable this man to be charged ~ brought to trial ~ and convicted.
Only two things can happen here which would allow that.  The first is that Madeleine is found and the second is that Madeleine's remains are found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:04:31 AM
It is the sender ... who is not a suspect ... who they are interested in tracing.  I am more than a little curious about who that is too.

The police appear to be interested in both, but especially the caller, yes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 11:06:02 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8387125/New-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-discussed-online-chatroom-years-later.html

"Did horrific sex abuse videos snare new Madeleine McCann suspect? Friends reported German paedophile called 'Christian G' to police after finding clips of attacks on two women on his phone"

cont........

I wonder if he's the same guy who spent a few nights at Malinka's house?
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERGEY-MALINKA.htm#p13p3439
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 11:12:39 AM
Well there you go, Love.  You can all get back to the aberration of The Bamber Forum.  I am not having anything to do with that.

I wouldn't Moderate that Forum if you paid me

I will stick with what little there still is for Madeleine .

Here In the real world, I don’t think there is much chance of you being paid for your moderation.

But I heartily agree with your assessment of the Bamber forum.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:14:27 AM

Well they are taking there time.


Police said the suspect was one of 600 people that detectives on the inquiry, known as Operation Grange, originally looked at, though he had not been a suspect.

After an appeal in 2017, "significant" fresh information about him was provided.

Since then, Met detectives have carried out "extensive inquiries" in Portugal and Germany in order to gather more details about him.

Scotland Yard said they were trying to "prove or disprove" his involvement in the case and retained an "open mind".

According to an article I read last night (will add link, and it may not be accurate anyway), there had been a tip-off about him back in 2013 after an appeal on the same German "Crimewatcher"-style programme back then, but there wasn't enough to make a charge.

I wonder if that was what the dig was about back in whenever (2014?) ?

Then, in 2017, another tip-off flagged the same person, with what I gathered was further information.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2020, 11:14:58 AM
The police appear to be interested in both, but especially the caller, yes.
Met police "believe" the phone number was of the german guy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:26:22 AM
You are almost certainly right.  But I am now a bit beyond the pale.  I am only certain that The McCanns had nothing to with the disappearance of their daughter.

They were responsible for her and had a duty of care. They failed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:29:06 AM
I haven't seen one supporter refer to him as guiltily.. Yet several sceptics refer to him as a scapegoat/innocent
We need to wait and see what evidence they have

They don't have any evidence obviously otherwise they wouldn't be asking for informants.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:30:46 AM
Details of extradition at this link, Carana.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/braunschweig/article227939701/Sieben-Jahre-Haft-wegen-brutaler-Vergewaltigung-in-Portugal.html&prev=search


Ah! Many thanks, Misty.  8@??)(

So a huge legal mess over jurisdiction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:32:22 AM
Do you know what I reckon?  I reckon Boris ordered The Met to make up this story to deflect from the Coronavirus crisis.  There I said it before anyone else had to.

Has Clarence's paws all over it. 😂
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2020, 11:36:16 AM
The suspect has been named as Christian Brueckner by German newspaper Der Spiegel.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:36:22 AM
Was the victim German that would make sense

The only jurisdiction the Germans have is that the alleged suspect is apparently a German national.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:38:25 AM
Was he reporting from PdL?

Yes
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 04, 2020, 11:40:04 AM
The only jurisdiction the Germans have is that the alleged suspect is apparently a German national.

The crime for which  he is currently serving a sentence in Germany was apparently committed in Portugal.
So the Germans have had jurisdiction for that crime?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 04, 2020, 11:42:15 AM
They don't have any evidence obviously otherwise they wouldn't be asking for informants.

Perhaps his fingerprints match the unknown ones in the apartment?
We do not know that they don't have any evidence!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 11:42:45 AM
The only jurisdiction the Germans have is that the alleged suspect is apparently a German national.
It seems that's all they need... He's already been prosecuted and jailed for another crime committed in Portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:43:18 AM
We are talking the GERMAN police here.
In case you missed it ... the investigation involves German - Portuguese and English cops and the German suspect in the German prison has quite a record which includes burglary.

Amaral made an idiot of himself when he immediately ruled out illicit entry to the McCann apartment and tried his level best to make liars of Madeleine's parents as a result.
The pigeons have come home to roost on that one ... but you know that already.

Maybe this chappie run her over in his campervan or jaguar car and carried her off.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:43:24 AM
Here In the real world, I don’t think there is much chance of you being paid for your moderation.

But I heartily agree with your assessment of the Bamber forum.



I find that - whichever side or none that anyone may be on -  Eleanor has been a rock.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 11:43:48 AM
Yes

I don't see that... Cite
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 04, 2020, 11:44:12 AM
They were responsible for her and had a duty of care. They failed.

As the parents of all abducted/murdered children have failed in their duty of care, in your opinion?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 11:44:52 AM

Ah! Many thanks, Misty.  8@??)(

So a huge legal mess over jurisdiction.

Possibly the Statute of Limitations for rape crimes in Portugal meant that a conviction could not be secured there?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 11:45:08 AM
Maybe this chappie run her over in his campervan or jaguar car and carried her off.

Looks like all your theories could be going up in smoke
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:45:27 AM
Yes

He appeared to be reporting from a private home on Sky this morning.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 11:46:16 AM
I understand there will be a German press conference with more details at noon today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:46:20 AM
The crime for which  he is currently serving a sentence in Germany was apparently committed in Portugal.
So the Germans have had jurisdiction for that crime?

See Misty's link a page or so ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 11:46:50 AM
They were responsible for her and had a duty of care. They failed.

Looks like ameral  did too
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:49:50 AM
I don't see that... Cite

I saw the Sky News report yesterday and he wasn't reporting from his front room.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:51:32 AM
As the parents of all abducted/murdered children have failed in their duty of care, in your opinion?

Certainly not, only those stupid parents who go off wining and dining while leaving their kids alone in unsecured holiday accommodation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 11:52:46 AM
He appeared to be reporting from a private home on Sky this morning.

He's back obviously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 11:54:04 AM
Perhaps his fingerprints match the unknown ones in the apartment?
We do not know that they don't have any evidence!

Not sure about fingerprints - as several were described as smudged or otherwise unexploitable.

There are, however, numerous mtDNA samples which didn't correspond to any person* known to the investigation at the time.

*MtDNA doesn't identify an individual, just a general grouping. If the mtDNA of an individual belongs to a different group, then it excludes the individual.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 11:57:48 AM
I understand there will be a German press conference with more details at noon today.

Thanks for that Misty
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 04, 2020, 11:58:23 AM
Certainly not, only those stupid parents who go off wining and dining while leaving their kids alone in unsecured holiday accommodation.

There is always room for criticism for the actions of parents whose child is abducted or murdered.
Such parents have had many dreadful comments about their failings from the holier than thou brigade.



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 11:58:31 AM
Wasn’t DJ Shifty’s name also Christian?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 04, 2020, 12:01:23 PM
Not sure about fingerprints - as several were described as smudged or otherwise unexploitable.

There are, however, numerous mtDNA samples which didn't correspond to any person* known to the investigation at the time.

*MtDNA doesn't identify an individual, just a general grouping. If the mtDNA of an individual belongs to a different group, then it excludes the individual.

Thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 12:01:59 PM
There is always room for criticism for the actions of parents whose child is abducted or murdered.
Such parents have had many dreadful comments about their failings from the holier than thou brigade.

It doesn't matter what you say, the McCanns failed Maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 12:02:55 PM
Wasn’t DJ Shifty’s name also Christian?

He's English, not German & wasn't in Luz May 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 12:04:58 PM
Certainly not, only those stupid parents who go off wining and dining while leaving their kids alone in unsecured holiday accommodation.

Who is to blame for the torture and rape of the 72 year old American woman.

Me ... I would lay it squarely where it belongs ... with the home invader who committed the crime of burglarising her home and committing other crimes as a result.

The fault lies with the criminal ... not with the victim.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 04, 2020, 12:06:00 PM
I understand there will be a German press conference with more details at noon today.
Live here... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_five_live (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_five_live)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 12:10:00 PM
https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-named-christian-brueckner-12803974/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 04, 2020, 12:10:13 PM
It doesn't matter what you say, the McCanns failed Maddie.

I'm sure they are aware of that.
I would imagine that the same thought does torture them and the parents of all abducted/murdered children.
However it should never detract from the abhorrent crimes against the children by the evil perpetrator.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 12:10:52 PM
if you read the article it was an incoming call so not a chatline

Wrong


In addition, he almost certainly used the Portuguese mobile number + 351 912 730 680 during the offense period in question . On May 3, 2007, a telephone call was made to an unknown person in the Praia da Luz area on May 3, 2007. The participant used the Portuguese phone number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered an important witness , but was not in the area during the call.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 12:23:26 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8387125/New-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-discussed-online-chatroom-years-later.html

"Did horrific sex abuse videos snare new Madeleine McCann suspect? Friends reported German paedophile called 'Christian G' to police after finding clips of attacks on two women on his phone"

cont........

I wonder if he's the same guy who spent a few nights at Malinka's house?
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERGEY-MALINKA.htm#p13p3439

Nothing of relevant interest was found on Malinka's computers (his own?), but what happened to those belonging to those of his clients? Were they ever checked? If so, were any reports whisked into the non-accessible paedo-connection files?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 12:27:57 PM
Update on Mail article

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8387125/New-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-discussed-online-chatroom-years-later.html?ito=push-notification&ci=17397&si=7866482
*snipped*
Portuguese police face serious questions as it is revealed that the man who may have taken Maddie spent 12 years in Portugal before her disappearance committing serious sexual and drugs crimes without ever being arrested;
German police were told about his bar chat about Maddie with a friend in 2017 - but three years on have finally confirmed he is a suspect;
His VW campervan and Jaguar have been located by police who believe one or both were  - but a lack of DNA evidence means a 10,000 euro reward has been put up for any information that leads to his conviction.
Portuguese detective says 'Christian B' was dismissed as a suspect in 2008 - but a discussion 'years later' on an online forum about Maddie and her abduction was brought to the attention of police;
Her parents Gerry and Kate McCann have not given up hope that their daughter is alive but are 'realistic' that she might not be, their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 12:31:13 PM
Wrong


In addition, he almost certainly used the Portuguese mobile number + 351 912 730 680 during the offense period in question . On May 3, 2007, a telephone call was made to an unknown person in the Praia da Luz area on May 3, 2007. The participant used the Portuguese phone number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered an important witness , but was not in the area during the call.

Detectives are also appealing for information about two mobile phone numbers, one of which is believed to have been used by the suspect on the day of Madeleine’s disappearance.

The first number is +351 912 730 680. Extensive enquiries have led investigators to believe the suspect was using this number and received a call, starting at 7.32pm and finishing at 8.02pm on 3 May 2007. This call was received in the area of Praia da Luz.

The second mobile number is +351 916 510 683. This number is the phone number that made this call. We know the person was not in the area of Praia da Luz.
http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 12:35:00 PM
Nothing of relevant interest was found on Malinka's computers (his own?), but what happened to those belonging to those of his clients? Were they ever checked? If so, were any reports whisked into the non-accessible paedo-connection files?

If the customers' computers were part of property stolen by CB & given to Malinka to "clean up" then who knows?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 12:42:50 PM
Detectives are also appealing for information about two mobile phone numbers, one of which is believed to have been used by the suspect on the day of Madeleine’s disappearance.

The first number is +351 912 730 680. Extensive enquiries have led investigators to believe the suspect was using this number and received a call, starting at 7.32pm and finishing at 8.02pm on 3 May 2007. This call was received in the area of Praia da Luz.

The second mobile number is +351 916 510 683. This number is the phone number that made this call. We know the person was not in the area of Praia da Luz.
http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826

Ah well, we are reading different things or they are saying different things -  strange t,



Police also revealed last night that the German suspect made a 30-minute phone call that located him in Praia da Luz just an hour before the Maddie was last seen on May 3, 2007. The following day he suspiciously transferred the ownership of his Jaguar car to another person despite continuing to drive it, police said.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 12:54:42 PM
(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11585.0;attach=17669;image).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 12:57:11 PM
If the customers' computers were part of property stolen by CB & given to Malinka to "clean up" then who knows?

From the Mirror (yes, I know, not in my top 1000 sources of reliable info, but there could be a nugget of semi-accurate info lurking somewhere):

A former neighbour of the suspect said: "He arrived in the mid-90s and rented the place from the English owner.

"He was always a bit angry, driving fast up and down the lane, and then one day, around 2006, he just disappeared without a word. I think he left some rent unpaid."

The neighbour added: "About six months later I was asked to help clean up the place and it was disgusting, absolutely vile. It had been trashed, with broken stuff like computers all over the place.

"We found a bin bag and inside were wigs and exotic clothing, whether just fancy dress or something stranger I couldn't tell."

The neighbour said she was contacted by Scotland Yard detectives who asked her about the man last year, without revealing any detail of their suspicion.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/inside-madeleine-mccann-suspects-absolutely-22136617
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 12:58:20 PM
Ah well, we are reading different things or they are saying different things -  strange t,



Police also revealed last night that the German suspect made a 30-minute phone call that located him in Praia da Luz just an hour before the Maddie was last seen on May 3, 2007. The following day he suspiciously transferred the ownership of his Jaguar car to another person despite continuing to drive it, police said.

I was quoting from the Met statement. Not sure where you got your info from?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 01:17:09 PM
I haven't seen one supporter refer to him as guiltily.. Yet several sceptics refer to him as a scapegoat/innocent
We need to wait and see what evidence they have
Bound to be innocent until proven otherwise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 01:23:16 PM
Bound to be innocent until proven otherwise.

Its the evidence im interested in
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 01:27:42 PM
You are almost certainly right.  But I am now a bit beyond the pale.  I am only certain that The McCanns had nothing to with the disappearance of their daughter.

There you go! That’s your “narrative”. As long as you start with a conclusion you will be biased with regards to the other possibilities.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 04, 2020, 01:29:52 PM
Statement by the German PP... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJBZ0aAJSA4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJBZ0aAJSA4)

and Clarence... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeOI1HrbnmQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeOI1HrbnmQ)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 01:32:15 PM
Detectives are also appealing for information about two mobile phone numbers, one of which is believed to have been used by the suspect on the day of Madeleine’s disappearance.

The first number is +351 912 730 680. Extensive enquiries have led investigators to believe the suspect was using this number and received a call, starting at 7.32pm and finishing at 8.02pm on 3 May 2007. This call was received in the area of Praia da Luz.

The second mobile number is +351 916 510 683. This number is the phone number that made this call. We know the person was not in the area of Praia da Luz.
http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826

IMO mobile no. 916 510 683 is the key to unlocking this case as it may well be the link between who arranged the abduction & who carried it out. There's must be a very good reason the German repeat offender was never arrested despite the police having knowledge of his crimes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 01:37:21 PM
I was quoting from the Met statement. Not sure where you got your info from?

Seems like the Germans - you cant always trust SY IMO


A reward of € 10,000 is given for clues that lead to the investigation of the crime! *

up
Detailed information on the search


snip
More information about this manhunt
Time:03.05.2007
Crime scene:Praia da Luz / Portugal
As part of the investigation of the circumstances of the crime, it is particularly important to determine the actual whereabouts of the suspect at the alleged crime date, which is between 9:10 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. on the date of the crime.

At the time of the crime, the suspect used a dark-colored Jaguar XJR 6 , there is no information about the specific approval before the crime, the last known approval after the tattoo was from the city of Augsburg, as well as a white and yellow VW T3 Westfalia with Portuguese registration. There are indications that he could have used one of these vehicles to commit the crime.

In addition, he almost certainly used the Portuguese mobile number + 351 912 730 680 during the offense period in question . On May 3, 2007, a telephone call was made to an unknown person in the Praia da Luz area on May 3, 2007. The participant used the Portuguese phone number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered an important witness , but was not in the area during the call.


The Federal Criminal Police Office and the Public Prosecutor's Office in Braunschweig ask for your help


https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/BekanntePersonen/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt.html?nn=26874#fahndungsgalerie
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 02:07:10 PM
This Morning

Mitchell looks ill?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 02:07:23 PM
Seems like the Germans - you cant always trust SY IMO


A reward of € 10,000 is given for clues that lead to the investigation of the crime! *

up
Detailed information on the search


snip
More information about this manhunt
Time:03.05.2007
Crime scene:Praia da Luz / Portugal
As part of the investigation of the circumstances of the crime, it is particularly important to determine the actual whereabouts of the suspect at the alleged crime date, which is between 9:10 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. on the date of the crime.

At the time of the crime, the suspect used a dark-colored Jaguar XJR 6 , there is no information about the specific approval before the crime, the last known approval after the tattoo was from the city of Augsburg, as well as a white and yellow VW T3 Westfalia with Portuguese registration. There are indications that he could have used one of these vehicles to commit the crime.

In addition, he almost certainly used the Portuguese mobile number + 351 912 730 680 during the offense period in question . On May 3, 2007, a telephone call was made to an unknown person in the Praia da Luz area on May 3, 2007. The participant used the Portuguese phone number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered an important witness , but was not in the area during the call.


The Federal Criminal Police Office and the Public Prosecutor's Office in Braunschweig ask for your help


https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/BekanntePersonen/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt.html?nn=26874#fahndungsgalerie

if the case is solved its SY who have solved it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 04, 2020, 02:07:27 PM
IMO mobile no. 916 510 683 is the key to unlocking this case as it may well be the link between who arranged the abduction & who carried it out. There's must be a very good reason the German repeat offender was never arrested despite the police having knowledge of his crimes.

But they are only almost sure that the suspect used the Portuguese mobile number + 351 912 730 680 during the offense period in question.

So, what would happen if another person says "Hey, it was my phone number at the time" ...

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 02:10:09 PM
Doesn't sound much like a paedophile if he targeted older women.

True, however according to this article the attack on the 72 year old involved torture. Grim reading, but could explain the change in M.O.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8387865/amp/Chilling-testimony-reveals-new-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-raped-tourist.html

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 02:10:31 PM
Its the evidence im interested in

As yet there isn't any D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 04, 2020, 02:20:22 PM
He looks like the egg face suspect  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 02:25:55 PM
As yet there isn't any D

the Germans say they have...it will be interesting to see what it is
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 02:31:52 PM
the Germans say they have...it will be interesting to see what it is

As yet circumstantial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 04, 2020, 02:33:48 PM
Who is to blame for the torture and rape of the 72 year old American woman.

Me ... I would lay it squarely where it belongs ... with the home invader who committed the crime of burglarising her home and committing other crimes as a result.

The fault lies with the criminal ... not with the victim.

The McCanns by their poor parenting skills and lack of common sense created this mess, they were lucky not to have been prosecuted in Portugal for neglect, no wonder they couldn't wait to get out of Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 02:45:07 PM
As yet circumstantial

You don't know anything... We need to wait and see
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 02:45:52 PM
.(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11585.0;attach=17671;image)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 02:46:59 PM
The McCanns by their poor parenting skills and lack of common sense created this mess, they were lucky not to have been prosecuted in Portugal for neglect, no wonder they couldn't wait to get out of Portugal.

Perhaps you think they should let him off even if he's guilty... I mean it's not his fault... No blame can be attached to him... According to you. It's all the parents fault
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 02:54:34 PM
But they are only almost sure that the suspect used the Portuguese mobile number + 351 912 730 680 during the offense period in question.

So, what would happen if another person says "Hey, it was my phone number at the time" ...

Someone was paying the phone charges & I assume their identity has been all but confirmed by the police. That does not exclude the possibility that a friend or associate used the phone to receive a half-hour call on 3rd May.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 02:57:00 PM
if the case is solved its SY who have solved it

How many times can they flog a dead horse before they too are terminated?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 02:57:41 PM
You don't know anything... We need to wait and see

from skynews


But it shows that after three years, though they have a good deal of circumstantial evidence against the suspect, they are struggling to find hard evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 03:01:05 PM
.(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11585.0;attach=17671;image)

It would be interesting to know if Martin Smith recognises this man?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 03:06:13 PM
It would be interesting to know if Martin Smith recognises this man?

I think it would but I don't think Martin Smith really saw the man's face
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: John on June 04, 2020, 03:10:19 PM
I think it would but I don't think Martin Smith really saw the man's face

Well he saw enough of it to claim it was Gerry McCann.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 03:18:01 PM
Who assisted the police in compiling the photofit?

Certainly resembles the German fellow more than Gerry, if you excuse the pun.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2020, 03:31:02 PM
Which photofit are you talking about? - there seem to have been a few
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 03:33:37 PM
What jurisdiction will a German court have over a crime committed in Portugal ?
The German court has already banged him up for a crime committed in Portugal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 03:35:33 PM
Sorry, I’m fairly new to the case. This one.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11585.0;attach=17669;image
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 03:38:20 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8387125/New-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-discussed-online-chatroom-years-later.html

"Did horrific sex abuse videos snare new Madeleine McCann suspect? Friends reported German paedophile called 'Christian G' to police after finding clips of attacks on two women on his phone"

cont........

I wonder if he's the same guy who spent a few nights at Malinka's house?
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERGEY-MALINKA.htm#p13p3439
Jesus, you learn something new about the case every day - I never knew about this before!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 03:40:02 PM
Maybe this chappie run her over in his campervan or jaguar car and carried her off.
Bit of an unfortunate coincidence that he just happened to be a violent rapist, paedophile and burglar then.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 03:41:46 PM
Certainly not, only those stupid parents who go off wining and dining while leaving their kids alone in unsecured holiday accommodation.
I take it you don't have any hard feelings towards the suspect then, only Madeleine's parents?  Nice. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 03:47:23 PM
The McCanns by their poor parenting skills and lack of common sense created this mess, they were lucky not to have been prosecuted in Portugal for neglect, no wonder they couldn't wait to get out of Portugal.
Give it a rest Angelo.  13 years of sniping at the parents and still going strong even after all these years and this new development.  Imagine how they must be feeling, knowing that there is a strong possibility that their three year old daughter met her end at the hands of a depraved and violent rapist. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 03:52:35 PM
I note the McCanns have publicly and personally thanked the police yesterday
"We would like to thank the police forces involved for their continued efforts in the search for Madeleine".

In the past they have been criticised on this forum for not doing so every time there was a news story published, the implication being that they wouldn't be thanking police as they knew they were the chief suspects and were really scared that their game would soon be up.  So, where does this recent expression of gratitude leave us with regard to that particular daft theory?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 03:54:58 PM
Give it a rest Angelo.  13 years of sniping at the parents and still going strong even after all these years and this new development.  Imagine how they must be feeling, knowing that there is a strong possibility that their three year old daughter met her end at the hands of a depraved and violent rapist.

You dont know yet it was him.


Many questions about what happened on the evening of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann remain. Some that have been highlighted by the press and discussed online include:

 

Why did Kate McCann refuse to answer 48 questions put to her by the Portuguese police?

 

Why were certain records of phone calls on the evening of the disappearance “whoosh-clunked”from the memories of the phones of Mr and Mrs McCann and the ‘Tapas 9’?

 

Why did a British sniffer dog sense the smell of a corpse in a cupboard in the apartment from which Madeleine McCann disappeared?

 

Why did a sniffer dog also supposedly sense the smell of a corpse in a vehicle hired by the couple a month after the disappearance of their daughter?

 

Why did Mr and Mrs McCann go jogging and play tennis in the days after their daughter’s disappearance?

 

Was it acceptable for Mr and Mrs McCann’s mortgage to be paid by the fund established to search for their missing daughter?


Former lead investigator in Madeleine McCann case predicted latest development involving German paedophile in April 2019; he suggested the man would be made a “scapegoat” by Scotland Yard
Amongst all the hubbub of the last 24 hours surrounding the “identification of a German sex offender as the key suspect” in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, it has been conveniently forgotten that the former lead detective in the case, Goncalo Amaral, predicted such a development back in April 2019.

 

With nearly £12 million of public money spent on this case thus far, an ending – happy or otherwise – would bring closure for all involved. Yet, with British cops again recently grubbing around for yet more funding, this actually not so new ‘development’ actually could instead be primarily about helping that endeavour.

 

In April last year, Amaral – who had focused his inquiries onto a German paedophile without success in 2008 – told Australia’s News 9 (through an interpreter):

 

“Scotland Yard are preparing the end of the case. They are going to a use a German paedophile who is in jail in Germany at this time. He is going to be the scapegoat for it. I don’t how they will start it, but that will be the big ending. This will be the conclusion of the case.”

 

Significantly, Scotland Yard and the mainstream media seem to have now forgotten all about this.
https://www.thesteepletimes.com/headline-1/mccann-german-paedophile/?fbclid=IwAR2CQmsfa_dz_pw7lQRl0FvXH3x9i2IS-Y9Web5IYGt7O9BEbPbPtNVnIYA

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 03:58:24 PM
You dont know yet it was him.


Many questions about what happened on the evening of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann remain. Some that have been highlighted by the press and discussed online include:

 

Why did Kate McCann refuse to answer 48 questions put to her by the Portuguese police?

 

Why were certain records of phone calls on the evening of the disappearance “whoosh-clunked”from the memories of the phones of Mr and Mrs McCann and the ‘Tapas 9’?

 

Why did a British sniffer dog sense the smell of a corpse in a cupboard in the apartment from which Madeleine McCann disappeared?

 

Why did a sniffer dog also supposedly sense the smell of a corpse in a vehicle hired by the couple a month after the disappearance of their daughter?

 

Why did Mr and Mrs McCann go jogging and play tennis in the days after their daughter’s disappearance?

 

Was it acceptable for Mr and Mrs McCann’s mortgage to be paid by the fund established to search for their missing daughter?


Former lead investigator in Madeleine McCann case predicted latest development involving German paedophile in April 2019; he suggested the man would be made a “scapegoat” by Scotland Yard
Amongst all the hubbub of the last 24 hours surrounding the “identification of a German sex offender as the key suspect” in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, it has been conveniently forgotten that the former lead detective in the case, Goncalo Amaral, predicted such a development back in April 2019.

 

With nearly £12 million of public money spent on this case thus far, an ending – happy or otherwise – would bring closure for all involved. Yet, with British cops again recently grubbing around for yet more funding, this actually not so new ‘development’ actually could instead be primarily about helping that endeavour.

 

In April last year, Amaral – who had focused his inquiries onto a German paedophile without success in 2008 – told Australia’s News 9 (through an interpreter):

 

“Scotland Yard are preparing the end of the case. They are going to a use a German paedophile who is in jail in Germany at this time. He is going to be the scapegoat for it. I don’t how they will start it, but that will be the big ending. This will be the conclusion of the case.”

 

Significantly, Scotland Yard and the mainstream media seem to have now forgotten all about this.
https://www.thesteepletimes.com/headline-1/mccann-german-paedophile/?fbclid=IwAR2CQmsfa_dz_pw7lQRl0FvXH3x9i2IS-Y9Web5IYGt7O9BEbPbPtNVnIYA
For some people it will always be 2007.  How pitiful they now look.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 04:04:55 PM
Perhaps a McCann sceptic would like to rationalise to us why it is they believe that the police forces of 3 countries - the UK, Portugal and Germany - have decided to scapegoat a German paedophile for a crime which they secretly believe the parents committed?  In your own time, I look forward to the explanation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 04:06:19 PM
I’m not sure of the significance of them going jogging and having a game of tennis while anxiously awaiting news on Madeleine.

What is normal behaviour in those circumstances? Sitting around eating pies?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 04:12:01 PM
I’m not sure of the significance of them going jogging and having a game of tennis while anxiously awaiting news on Madeleine.

What is normal behaviour in those circumstances? Sitting around eating pies?

Picking yourself off the floor or out of bed requires a lot of effort in such circumstances. Advice at the time was to force themselves to do so. Exercise is a stress relief - which is needed to clear the brain.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 04:21:23 PM
The evidence so far seems to be that the suspect lived near PDL for a time, he made a phone call lasting nearly 30 minutes to an unknown person on the night of the third, he allegedly boasted of some part in Madeleine’s disappearance and he has previous for sexual assaults.

Against is he does not match any of the descriptions of men seem with a child on the 3rd and although the police have one/both of his vehicles they do not seem to have harvested any forensics from them, that we know of.

All we need is a burned letter from a relative and we have Raymond Hewlett all over again
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 04:33:04 PM
You dont know yet it was him.


Many questions about what happened on the evening of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann remain. Some that have been highlighted by the press and discussed online include:

 

Why did Kate McCann refuse to answer 48 questions put to her by the Portuguese police?

 

Why were certain records of phone calls on the evening of the disappearance “whoosh-clunked”from the memories of the phones of Mr and Mrs McCann and the ‘Tapas 9’?

 

Why did a British sniffer dog sense the smell of a corpse in a cupboard in the apartment from which Madeleine McCann disappeared?

 

Why did a sniffer dog also supposedly sense the smell of a corpse in a vehicle hired by the couple a month after the disappearance of their daughter?

 

Why did Mr and Mrs McCann go jogging and play tennis in the days after their daughter’s disappearance?

 

Was it acceptable for Mr and Mrs McCann’s mortgage to be paid by the fund established to search for their missing daughter?


Former lead investigator in Madeleine McCann case predicted latest development involving German paedophile in April 2019; he suggested the man would be made a “scapegoat” by Scotland Yard
Amongst all the hubbub of the last 24 hours surrounding the “identification of a German sex offender as the key suspect” in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, it has been conveniently forgotten that the former lead detective in the case, Goncalo Amaral, predicted such a development back in April 2019.

 

With nearly £12 million of public money spent on this case thus far, an ending – happy or otherwise – would bring closure for all involved. Yet, with British cops again recently grubbing around for yet more funding, this actually not so new ‘development’ actually could instead be primarily about helping that endeavour.

 

In April last year, Amaral – who had focused his inquiries onto a German paedophile without success in 2008 – told Australia’s News 9 (through an interpreter):

 

“Scotland Yard are preparing the end of the case. They are going to a use a German paedophile who is in jail in Germany at this time. He is going to be the scapegoat for it. I don’t how they will start it, but that will be the big ending. This will be the conclusion of the case.”

 

Significantly, Scotland Yard and the mainstream media seem to have now forgotten all about this.
https://www.thesteepletimes.com/headline-1/mccann-german-paedophile/?fbclid=IwAR2CQmsfa_dz_pw7lQRl0FvXH3x9i2IS-Y9Web5IYGt7O9BEbPbPtNVnIYA

could you provide a cite for the sniffer dog sensing the smell of a corpse...this is what you..amaral and probably all the sceptics think....but its pure specualtion with no evidence to support it
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 04:35:13 PM
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 04:44:51 PM
The evidence so far seems to be that the suspect lived near PDL for a time, he made a phone call lasting nearly 30 minutes to an unknown person on the night of the third, he allegedly boasted of some part in Madeleine’s disappearance and he has previous for sexual assaults.

Against is he does not match any of the descriptions of men seem with a child on the 3rd and although the police have one/both of his vehicles they do not seem to have harvested any forensics from them, that we know of.

All we need is a burned letter from a relative and we have Raymond Hewlett all over again

I was never overly convinced by the burned letter saga.

However, to me, this does seem like a serious lead.

It seems that Phone No. 2 phone HIM, not the other way round. It could have been an innocent phone call, but still useful to find out who called and what that person may have known about the current suspect.

There was apparently a rubbish bin with wigs... of what type? Outlandish ones, or ones that could have been used as a plausible disguise? If there had been no obvious reason to keep the bin-sack, I expect it was thrown out.

An article expanded on what the neighbour who cleaned the house allegedly found: computer pieces. However, I'm sceptical of tabloids, so there's no way of knowing whether that's accurate or not.

Both vehicles are now apparently in the hands of German forensics... but how long after did they get hold of them?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 04, 2020, 04:47:28 PM
The evidence so far seems to be that the suspect lived near PDL for a time, he made a phone call lasting nearly 30 minutes to an unknown person on the night of the third, he allegedly boasted of some part in Madeleine’s disappearance and he has previous for sexual assaults.

Against is he does not match any of the descriptions of men seem with a child on the 3rd and although the police have one/both of his vehicles they do not seem to have harvested any forensics from them, that we know of.

All we need is a burned letter from a relative and we have Raymond Hewlett all over again


I read that the inspection of the two vehicles suggest a crime had been committed in one of them,  they don't say which one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2020, 04:50:19 PM

I read that the inspection of the two vehicles suggest a crime had been committed in one of them,  they don't say which one.

Yes, but what does that mean?
Could be a simple motoring offence and it doesn't actually link that crime to the suspect
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 04:50:50 PM
I was never overly convinced by the burned letter saga.

However, to me, this does seem like a serious lead.

It seems that Phone No. 2 phone HIM, not the other way round. It could have been an innocent phone call, but still useful to find out who called and what that person may have known about the current suspect.

There was apparently a rubbish bin with wigs... of what type? Outlandish ones, or ones that could have been used as a plausible disguise? If there had been no obvious reason to keep the bin-sack, I expect it was thrown out.

An article expanded on what the neighbour who cleaned the house allegedly found: computer pieces. However, I'm sceptical of tabloids, so there's no way of knowing whether that's accurate or not.

Both vehicles are now apparently in the hands of German forensics... but how long after did they get hold of them?

It may be serious but is the case against him really any less circumstantial than any of the other ‘suspects’ ? I suppose we will just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 04:51:50 PM

I read that the inspection of the two vehicles suggest a crime had been committed in one of them,  they don't say which one.

What kind of crime ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 04:52:05 PM
For some people it will always be 2007.  How pitiful they now look.

There have been a lot of mistakes made in this case and in my opinion none more so than those made by the trolls who have been hounding the McCann family since 2007 and continue to do so despite the irrationality of it given the important developments in Madeleine's case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 04:54:25 PM
I’m not sure of the significance of them going jogging and having a game of tennis while anxiously awaiting news on Madeleine.

What is normal behaviour in those circumstances? Sitting around eating pies?

You did say you knew little about this case did you not?  That post confirms it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 04:58:39 PM
You did say you knew little about this case did you not?  That post confirms it.

Is there any need to be so rude ? As a moderator you really should be setting an example.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 04, 2020, 04:59:34 PM
Sorry, I’m fairly new to the case. This one.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11585.0;attach=17669;image

That efit is reportedly attributed to Carole Tranmer, the niece of Mrs Fenn. CT was visiting Pamela Fenn, whose apartment 5G was immediately above the McCanns, on 3rd May daytime. She witnessed a man behaving strangely at a garden gate close to 5A.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9020869/foreign-madeleine-mccann-suspect-crept-through-gate-near-maddies-apartment-on-day-she-vanished-queens-pal-says/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 05:01:22 PM
It may be serious but is the case against him really any less circumstantial than any of the other ‘suspects’ ? I suppose we will just have to wait and see.

Agree. They guy could be a serial rapist / drug trafficker / burglar, but still may not have been responsible for Madeleine's disappearance.

Hence, perhaps, the appeal for further information to either include or exclude him.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 05:02:33 PM
You did say you knew little about this case did you not?  That post confirms it.

No, it doesn’t.

Why is it used against them, that they played Tennis and went jogging? What would constitute normal behaviour in those circumstances?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 05:08:44 PM
That efit is reportedly attributed to Carole Tranmer, the niece of Mrs Fenn. CT was visiting Pamela Fenn, whose apartment 5G was immediately above the McCanns, on 3rd May daytime. She witnessed a man behaving strangely at a garden gate close to 5A.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9020869/foreign-madeleine-mccann-suspect-crept-through-gate-near-maddies-apartment-on-day-she-vanished-queens-pal-says/

Snip
"He was blonde, with a lot of hair, very short... But not like a footballer, do you know what I mean? A style close to shaven. Very short, blonde, the head was very sculptured. The shape of the head was very sculptured, more oval shaped.

"He was of average stature. I would say he was European but not Portuguese. He was not dark and, he was not short, but I would say that he looked Scandinavian, if you will, because he was very light and could have been British or Scandinavian."

Carole’s sighting is one of a dozen unresolved sightings of strangers in the popular resort.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9020869/foreign-madeleine-mccann-suspect-crept-through-gate-near-maddies-apartment-on-day-she-vanished-queens-pal-says/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2020, 05:12:29 PM
It was a holiday resort so not surprising it was full of strangers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 05:14:48 PM
There have been a lot of mistakes made in this case and in my opinion none more so than those made by the trolls who have been hounding the McCann family since 2007 and continue to do so despite the irrationality of it given the important developments in Madeleine's case.

Trolls GA Sceptics etc etc etc etc. you continue to blame well

Can you imagine if this man took her what Maddie would have gone through what her fate was - can you.

Because she was left to her fate by the mccS - This is why you don't leave children unattended,

Never mind the mccs - what did Maddie go through B

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 04, 2020, 05:15:54 PM
What kind of crime ?

I just read it again and it says there is a link to an offence,  so could be anything,  not connected to Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 05:19:36 PM
Agree. They guy could be a serial rapist / drug trafficker / burglar, but still may not have been responsible for Madeleine's disappearance.

Hence, perhaps, the appeal for further information to either include or exclude him.

Agreed but after three years of investigation that they are only now asking these questions is rather odd.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2020, 05:23:59 PM
Agreed but after three years of investigation that they are only now asking these questions is rather odd.

I would say that's because they've  hit a brick wall and hope that this appeal will knock a hole in it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 04, 2020, 05:26:51 PM
This is very interesting - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8387125/New-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-discussed-online-chatroom-years-later.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 04, 2020, 05:28:52 PM
Perhaps there will be a lot of people coming forward with information,  this could trigger a lot of memories.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 05:42:51 PM
No, it doesn’t.

Why is it used against them, that they played Tennis and went jogging? What would constitute normal behaviour in those circumstances?

Sorry I couldn't begin to answer that.  But you can.  You did post it up, after all.  Why did you use it against them when you claim you really don't know much about it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 05:46:08 PM
Trolls GA Sceptics etc etc etc etc. you continue to blame well

Can you imagine if this man took her what Maddie would have gone through what her fate was - can you.

Because she was left to her fate by the mccS - This is why you don't leave children unattended,

Never mind the mccs - what did Maddie go through B

Do you think it is too soon to open a Go Fund Me defence account for the criminal in German custody?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 04, 2020, 05:46:31 PM
I think there’s been a misunderstanding I didn’t use it against them, I was responding to another poster who suggested it. I was trying to see it from the McCanns point if view.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 04, 2020, 05:46:47 PM
One of the houses, 'Escola Velha' or 'Old School' (in Monte Judeu on the EM535-1) in which the alleged German suspect was holed up for a period (attached). The house has been extended and a clerestory added since 2007.

The same house in the centre of the Google photo. Scroll forwards for a closer StreetView or backwards several times for a more extensive bird's-eye view to see the built-up Praia da Luz in the bottom left-hand corner...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monte+Judeu,+Portim%C3%A3o,+Portugal/@37.125431,-8.7173098,150a,35y,322.83h,44.98t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b2673fdaa29bf:0xb096afa4335d47a4!8m2!3d37.1847151!4d-8.5661017 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monte+Judeu,+Portim%C3%A3o,+Portugal/@37.125431,-8.7173098,150a,35y,322.83h,44.98t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b2673fdaa29bf:0xb096afa4335d47a4!8m2!3d37.1847151!4d-8.5661017)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2020, 05:48:16 PM
Do you think it is too soon to open a Go Fund Me defence account for the criminal in German custody?

Probably best to wait until he's charged.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 05:48:52 PM
Agreed but after three years of investigation that they are only now asking these questions is rather odd.

Not necessarily.

From Misty's link, it seems he's only recently been convicted of the lady's rape, although it's not entirely clear if the article refers to an appeal hearing or not. (I had read somewhere unverifiable that he'd been convicted in latish 2018, hence my query.)

Seven years in prison for brutal rape in Portugal

Brunswick. A 72-year-old was raided in her home 14 years ago. The 43-year-old denies in the Braunschweig evidence process that he is the culprit.


Bettina Thoenes
17.12.2019 - 4.30 p.m.


I find it possible that the police wanted to get one case done and dusted (the lady's rape) without noise from another one (the potential Madeleine connection).

The fact that he is now definitely behind bars may also be an incentive for potential witnesses to feel safer in coming forward.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 06:00:24 PM
I wonder where he was when Joana disappeared...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 06:04:39 PM
I wonder where he was when Joana disappeared...

thats a very interesting question...but will anyone be interested in answerring it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 06:07:04 PM
The Germans are reportedly saying they believe Madeleine is dead,is this because of his modus operandi,meanwhile OG still say they have no definitive evidence either way,bit of a disconnect between the two investigations,also have Grange handed it over with this really being the last throw of the dice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 06:11:46 PM
Not necessarily.

From Misty's link, it seems he's only recently been convicted of the lady's rape, although it's not entirely clear if the article refers to an appeal hearing or not. (I had read somewhere unverifiable that he'd been convicted in latish 2018, hence my query.)

Seven years in prison for brutal rape in Portugal

Brunswick. A 72-year-old was raided in her home 14 years ago. The 43-year-old denies in the Braunschweig evidence process that he is the culprit.


Bettina Thoenes
17.12.2019 - 4.30 p.m.


I find it possible that the police wanted to get one case done and dusted (the lady's rape) without noise from another one (the potential Madeleine connection).

The fact that he is now definitely behind bars may also be an incentive for potential witnesses to feel safer in coming forward.

I have read that his name was put forward by a friend after they had watched a programme on the 10th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance. The friend was also shown video of the rape at the same time. I really can’t believe that the German police would prioritise an investigation into a rape over, what could have been, an alive, disappeared child.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 04, 2020, 06:12:21 PM
Do you think it is too soon to open a Go Fund Me defence account for the criminal in German custody?

No,give it a go anyhoo see how it goes...

It would be a kind gesture if the McCanns held up the remaining 'fund' money as a reward for information to the arrest and imprisonment of this 'monster' who has already been forgiven by Kate a few days after the event.  They wouldn't need it after all if the case is closed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 06:12:30 PM
It would be interesting to know if Martin Smith recognises this man?
Or Jane Tanner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 04, 2020, 06:19:57 PM
I have read that his name was put forward by a friend after they had watched a programme on the 10th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance. The friend was also shown video of the rape at the same time. I really can’t believe that the German police would prioritise an investigation into a rape over, what could have been, an alive, disappeared child.

I am finding the whole thing like a bad movie. Keep watching even though it doesn't make any sense.

If this friend saw images of a woman being raped  on MBM's 10th anniversary, how come it was never mentioned at that time by the friend. Did this friend know about MBM and his friends stay in PDL at the time, did the friend mention MBM at the time to any police team?

it would be very interesting to find out if MBM was picked up via walking and wandering or how they got in and out of the apartment. I am still ruling out the window and shutters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 04, 2020, 06:20:30 PM
The German suspect's full mugshot revealed...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 04, 2020, 06:23:45 PM
The German suspect's full mugshot revealed...

did he look like that back in 2007?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 06:25:06 PM
The German suspect's full mugshot revealed...
Ah! but which one is it? Tannerman,Binman,Smithman,Eggman? Smellyman,the list is not exhaustive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 06:25:27 PM
Not necessarily.

From Misty's link, it seems he's only recently been convicted of the lady's rape, although it's not entirely clear if the article refers to an appeal hearing or not. (I had read somewhere unverifiable that he'd been convicted in latish 2018, hence my query.)

Seven years in prison for brutal rape in Portugal

Brunswick. A 72-year-old was raided in her home 14 years ago. The 43-year-old denies in the Braunschweig evidence process that he is the culprit.


Bettina Thoenes
17.12.2019 - 4.30 p.m.


I find it possible that the police wanted to get one case done and dusted (the lady's rape) without noise from another one (the potential Madeleine connection).

The fact that he is now definitely behind bars may also be an incentive for potential witnesses to feel safer in coming forward.
I find it strange that a serious case or torture and rape of a holidaymaker was never once mentioned as having taken place in PdL only a year or two before Madeleine went missing.  I would also be very interested to know what efforts the Portuguese police went to to find this woman’s assailant and if this known sex offender living in the area was ever questioned by them in connection with the rape.  One can only assume not, as they had hair samples and had he been questioned and DNA taken he could have been arrested, charged and imprisoned and then unable to commit any further crimes in the area for the forseeable future.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 06:26:05 PM
The German suspect's full mugshot revealed...
What a nasty piece of work.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 06:28:00 PM
I am finding the whole thing like a bad movie. Keep watching even though it doesn't make any sense.

If this friend saw images of a woman being raped  on MBM's 10th anniversary, how come it was never mentioned at that time by the friend. Did this friend know about MBM and his friends stay in PDL at the time, did the friend mention MBM at the time to any police team?

it would be very interesting to find out if MBM was picked up via walking and wandering or how they got in and out of the apartment. I am still ruling out the window and shutters.

I think the friend went to the police straight after he was given the information and saw the video. Why it’s taken three years to get to this point...you knows.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 06:28:11 PM
I have read that his name was put forward by a friend after they had watched a programme on the 10th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance. The friend was also shown video of the rape at the same time. I really can’t believe that the German police would prioritise an investigation into a rape over, what could have been, an alive, disappeared child.

We don't know how much credible information needed checking out about any of the cases. The German police appear to have classified it as a murder investigation (contrary to the UK), although why isn't clear. Possibly for legal or financial reasons.

If initial checking didn't result in anything concrete (e.g, if it's true than an initial tip-off was provided in 2013), then it could have been put on the back-burner until further info came to light.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 04, 2020, 06:31:40 PM
did he look like that back in 2007?
He looks younger than 43, but might be one who has a perpetual youthful baby-face.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 06:32:39 PM
We don't know how much credible information needed checking out about any of the cases. The German police appear to have classified it as a murder investigation (contrary to the UK), although why isn't clear. Possibly for legal or financial reasons.

If initial checking didn't result in anything concrete (e.g, if it's true than an initial tip-off was provided in 2013), then it could have been put on the back-burner until further info came to light.
As its a crime in another country classing it as a murder may give them jurisdiction
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 06:34:34 PM
I find it strange that a serious case or torture and rape of a holidaymaker was never once mentioned as having taken place in PdL only a year or two before Madeleine went missing.  I would also be very interested to know what efforts the Portuguese police went to to find this woman’s assailant and if this known sex offender living in the area was ever questioned by them in connection with the rape.  One can only assume not, as they had hair samples and had he been questioned and DNA taken he could have been arrested, charged and imprisoned and then unable to commit any further crimes in the area for the forseeable future.

I haven't found where she lived - she could have been under the Faro jurisdiction. The PJ weren't known for reporting on anything other than a successful charge.

As for the PJ understanding DNA... in 2005?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 06:37:48 PM
I haven't found where she lived - she could have been under the Faro jurisdiction. The PJ weren't known for reporting on anything other than a successful charge.

As for the PJ understanding DNA... in 2005?
The crime happened in PdL, so presumably that’s where she lived.  Aren’t incidents of violent torture and rape reported in the media in Portugal, or is there a complete news black out on all crimes u til charges are brought?  I find that very hard to believe.  Did the PJ not understand that you could match hairs found at the scene to potential suspects? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 06:41:51 PM
The German suspect's full mugshot revealed...
His hair is dark blonde, which under artificial light at night  could pass as much darker IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 06:47:42 PM
As its a crime in another country classing it as a murder may give them jurisdiction

I confess I know nothing whatsoever about German criminal law. My understanding (from memory)  is that normally a crime is judged where it took place with a few exceptions, sometimes related to offences against children, or organised crime / international trafficking.

In the rape case, there was a legal mess over jurisdiction on various criminal charges to sort out.

The German police may have taken the lead in the investigation for the moment as the guy is German and is currently in their custody.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 06:48:03 PM
Wow!! All kinds of accusations flying around on the internet and the media. I wonder if Clarence Mitchell and the McCann’s will be speaking out against it. Not to mention several posters here. Please remember the concept of due legal process fellow forum posters 😊
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 06:51:04 PM
Wow!! All kinds of accusations flying around on the internet and the media. I wonder if Clarence Mitchell and the McCann’s will be speaking out against it. Not to mention several posters here. Please remember the concept of due legal process fellow forum posters 😊
What accusations have the media made?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 06:52:55 PM
We don't know how much credible information needed checking out about any of the cases. The German police appear to have classified it as a murder investigation (contrary to the UK), although why isn't clear. Possibly for legal or financial reasons.

If initial checking didn't result in anything concrete (e.g, if it's true than an initial tip-off was provided in 2013), then it could have been put on the back-burner until further info came to light.

A year ago Amaral claimed a German who was in prison was under investigation, a vehicle had been searched but nothing found. What other than them hitting a brick wall could have warranted this appeal to the public ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 06:56:42 PM
From the opening salvo of this thread.

He was in the Praia de Luz area where the McCann family was staying when she disappeared and received a phone call at 7.32pm, which ended at 8.02pm.

So its known he received a call,how come its not known who phoned him?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 06:57:14 PM
Let’s hope this is end of the McCanns’ ordeal
David Aaronovitch
But perhaps this time it’s different. Possibly the German paedophile referred to as Christian B (because of German privacy laws) is, finally, the answer to the mystery. As I write this, news updates on the story are making my Apple watch vibrate every few minutes. The German authorities in Braunschweig have been confident enough to say that Madeleine should be assumed to be dead, even though Scotland Yard detectives are being more circumspect. The man is said to have been in the area at around the time Madeleine disappeared in 2007, was known for committing burglaries, and was already on the list of 600 or more potential suspects who were investigated. All circumstantial but perhaps a fragment of someone’s memory has been jogged after all this time. For the sake of the family, I hope so.

But for many of us, the McCann case ceased long ago to be primarily about a missing girl. There is no other child, as far as I know, who the police have spent £12 million investigating. Almost from the beginning, as it became clear that the poster campaign was leading nowhere, Madeleine herself stopped being the issue.

In May 2007, two weeks after she disappeared, I went up to the McCann’s home village of Rothley in Leicestershire to look at the shrine that had been created beside the war memorial. To the railings, I wrote, “hundreds of yellow ribbons have been attached, accompanied by flowers, cards, children’s drawings, soft toys and, above all, images of Madeleine McCann. ‘Expect a miracle,’ says a card depicting hands clasped in prayer and draped with a crucifix. More typical is: ‘Maddy, we didn’t even know you, but you are with us in our hearts.’”

By then nearly a hundred thousand posters bearing the now iconic photograph plus the legend “Madeleine Missing” had been downloaded from the Sky News website alone. People were putting up posters of a child lost in the Algarve in British streets where she had never set foot and was never likely to. A website called “Find Maddy” received 60 million hits in less than a fortnight. A fighting fund to help search for the girl raised vast amounts of money and celebrities and sports figures were falling over themselves to urge everyone to look out for her.

Why? One phrase back in 2007 was ubiquitous: that Madeleine’s disappearance was “every parent’s nightmare”. People identified with these middle-class parents, living an ordinary life and who went on the kind of holiday so many of us have taken. And then disaster struck. The missing child was pretty and photogenic, and that always makes a difference. It shouldn’t but it does.

But the manner of the disaster was incredibly rare. Children almost never vanish into thin air, let alone are plucked from hotel rooms. There were no lessons to be learned here. Ask someone who has lost a child to a road accident, a fall, a drowning, a dangerous toy — approximately 120 children aged under nine die in accidents in Britain every year – and they’ll be able to remind you what you really need to worry about.

The disappearance of Madeline McCann also coincided with a period of intense anxiety about childhood, and in particular the threat to children from outside the family. This despite the fact that the most threats come from inside. There was the Bulger case in 1993 which raised the spectre of “feral” truants, there was the Sarah Payne murder in 2000, the Soham murders of 2002 which led to comprehensive and bureaucratic checks on anyone working with children, and the rolling revelations of years of past child abuse in institutions.

Not only were our children imagined to be in danger from other people, but they were also in danger from what they ate (allergies, intolerances, obesity), what they did (computer game addiction, phones, social media) and what they had (autism, attention deficit disorder). Some of this was justified, some much less so. But Madeleine McCann was the perfect apex of that pyramid of anxiety.

And the McCann case also started at the moment when social media was becoming a phenomenon. Facebook started in 2004, YouTube in 2005 and Twitter in 2006. The mystery of the case was perfect in the first instance to drum up empathy and solidarity, in the second instance to allow people to speculate publicly about what had happened, in the third to create space for the development of conspiracy theories, and finally to permit some people to abuse the McCanns.

One who did so was called Brenda Leyland. A woman in her sixties, described by friends as “eccentric and opinionated” but also fun, Leyland posted 400 tweets inside 11 months accusing the McCanns of murder. She was by no means alone — that accusation had been made by many “trolls” over the years (indeed the McCann case spawned them) — but Ms Leyland was tracked down by journalists and challenged about her statements. She killed herself.

I’d argue that Brenda’s obsession was only a perverted version of a wider shared obsession. In 2008 Express Newspapers paid out £550,000 in damages to the McCanns for publishing more than 100 seriously defamatory articles about them. In that period Madeleine had replaced Princess Diana as the front-page story that sold copies. After all, don’t we all know that when a bad thing happens, the first person the police suspect is always a family member?

And now in the era of Netflix documentaries and “true-crime” podcasts, the Madeleine case lives on as diversion for a new generation. These are the modern versions of the Sunday newspaper stories that Orwell wrote about in 1946, where after lunch, your pipe in mouth and the fire lit, “in these blissful circumstances, what is it that you want to read about? Naturally, about a murder”.

I never liked this story. I always assumed the poor child was dead and I found the public agony of the parents almost unbearable. Not only that but they have become the objects of our often hypocritical and neurotic interest, and the providers of our entertainment. For these reasons let’s hope that Christian B is indeed the answer and that we can put this, and Madeleine, to rest. It’s time for Scotland Yard detectives to fly somewhere else.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 07:04:06 PM
A year ago Amaral claimed a German who was in prison was under investigation, a vehicle had been searched but nothing found. What other than them hitting a brick wall could have warranted this appeal to the public ?

Why a "brick wall"? It might be trying find / verify various details.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:11:10 PM
Do those who believe this man is a scapegoat believe that all suspects identified years after the crime but with no forensic evidence are also scapegoats?  Like John Canaan in this case for example?  Is he just a scapegoat?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Suzy_Lamplugh#Police_investigations
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 07:13:05 PM
Why a "brick wall"? It might be trying find / verify various details.

Then they are certainly taking their time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:15:04 PM
Why a "brick wall"? It might be trying find / verify various details.
It’s not uncommon for the police to make appeals to the public for further information to help secure a conviction.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.  It didn’t work in this case, though the circumstantial evidence against Canaan would seem fairly strong.  Do sceptics scoff and jeer at attempts by the police to secure more information from the public to aid them secure a charge, or is their ridicule just reserved for the McCann case?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Suzy_Lamplugh#Police_investigations
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 07:16:18 PM
I guess they're asking for info from 13 yrs back about specific vehicles,like people will remember.



Detailed information about the vehicles:

Vehicle 1: Jaguar XJR 6
Color: dark red / aubergine
Registration: The last known registration after the date was with the city of Augsburg.
Whereabouts: The whereabouts of the vehicle have been clarified.

Vehicle 2: VW T3 Westfalia
Color: white / yellow License
plate: In May 2007, Portuguese license plates were attached to the vehicle.
Whereabouts: The whereabouts of the vehicle have been clarified.
Note: The accused was not the owner of the vehicle. The keeper must be excluded as a suspect.


https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/BekanntePersonen/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt.html?nn=26874#detailinformationen132470
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 07:18:59 PM
Talking of scapegoats..if he was to confess to the crime....then appear in court looking like he had been beaten to a pulp...would sceptics accepy his guilt.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 07:19:44 PM
Well he saw enough of it to claim it was Gerry McCann.

I don’t believe this latest development makes Martin Smith’s evidence any less credible.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 07:20:49 PM
It’s not uncommon for the police to make appeals to the public for further information to help secure a conviction.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.  It didn’t work in this case, though the circumstantial evidence against Canaan would seem fairly strong.  Do sceptics scoff and jeer at attempts by the police to secure more information from the public to aid them secure a charge, or is their ridicule just reserved for the McCann case?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Suzy_Lamplugh#Police_investigations

Sadly I don't think the McCanns are the only parents of missing children who are attacked by internet trolls but they seem to get the worst of it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:20:53 PM
Talking of scapegoats..if he was to confess to the crime....then appear in court looking like he had been beaten to a pulp...would sceptics accepy his guilt.
Nice one.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:21:35 PM
I don’t believe this latest development makes Martin Smith’s evidence any less credible.
Shame the police don’t share your view then isn’t it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 07:21:43 PM
From the opening salvo of this thread.

He was in the Praia de Luz area where the McCann family was staying when she disappeared and received a phone call at 7.32pm, which ended at 8.02pm.

So its known he received a call,how come its not known who phoned him?

They know the number of the mobile phone but not who it belonged to - hence the appeal for information
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 07:22:07 PM
Then they are certainly taking their time.

True, but there are police forces in three different countries involved, and other leads that needed to be eliminated. Something new could have recently come to light that they don't want to share with the public for the moment.

They didn't want to give his name, but they must have known that it would emerge anyway, so there may have been a related reason as to the timing.

Who knows?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 04, 2020, 07:23:44 PM
I don’t believe this latest development makes Martin Smith’s evidence any less credible.

i dont believe it was ever credible as it being Gerry
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 07:24:45 PM
They know the number of the mobile phone but not who it belonged to - hence the appeal for information

Bit more on the phone call,the recipient wasn't in the area,blimey thats suspicious,must stop ringing my daughter who live 200 mile away.

The participant used the Portuguese phone number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered an important witness , but was not in the area during the call.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:26:54 PM
Bit more on the phone call,the recipient wasn't in the area,blimey thats suspicious,must stop ringing my daughter who live 200 mile away.

The participant used the Portuguese phone number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered an important witness , but was not in the area during the call.
Don’t be silly.  They haven’t said that the person who was out of the area was a suspect, or that calling them was suspicious, only that they may have more information.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 07:26:59 PM
True, but there are police forces in three different countries involved, and other leads that needed to be eliminated. Something new could have recently come to light that they don't want to share with the public for the moment.

They didn't want to give his name, but they must have known that it would emerge anyway, so there may have been a related reason as to the timing.

Who knows?

I liken it to John Canaan, named as suspect in Lamplugh disappearance but still remains innocent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:27:45 PM
I liken it to John Canaan, named as suspect in Lamplugh disappearance but still remains innocent.
Do you think he’s a scapegoat?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 07:28:18 PM
Shame the police don’t share your view then isn’t it?

Which Police force have stated they don’t find Martin Smith’s evidence to be credible?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 07:29:19 PM
Don’t be silly.  They haven’t said that the person who was out of the area was a suspect, or that calling them was suspicious, only that they may have more information.

They'll find a vaccine for covid 19 before they charge this guy imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 07:32:24 PM
Shame the police don’t share your view then isn’t it?

The police never commented on Smithman after the revelation moment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 07:35:46 PM
 Compared to the Smith efits.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 07:36:26 PM
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:37:52 PM
Which Police force have stated they don’t find Martin Smith’s evidence to be credible?
The Met have dismissed it as no longer of interest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:38:57 PM
They'll find a vaccine for covid 19 before they charge this guy imo.
Let’s hope both happen within a year. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 07:40:35 PM
True, but there are police forces in three different countries involved, and other leads that needed to be eliminated. Something new could have recently come to light that they don't want to share with the public for the moment.

They didn't want to give his name, but they must have known that it would emerge anyway, so there may have been a related reason as to the timing.

Who knows?

And meanwhile if Madeleine is still alive she’s......fill in the blanks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2020, 07:41:09 PM
The Met have dismissed it as no longer of interest.

I don't recall seeing that. Have you a link ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:46:35 PM
I don't recall seeing that. Have you a link ?
Nope, someone else may though.  Of course I may be mistaken, but as they haven’t appealed for any further information on the Smith sighting in seven years and as they seem to be concentrating on a known German paedo, it would seem from the evidence that they are no longer interested in Smithman.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 07:49:19 PM
I don't recall seeing that. Have you a link ?

No I haven’t seen that said either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 07:52:50 PM
The Met have dismissed it as no longer of interest.
When so,I recall the girl being carried Redwood said fitted the description close to that of Madeleine Mccann.Even tanners sighting never suggested that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:55:17 PM
When so,I recall  girl being carried Redwood said fitted the description close to that of Madeleine Mccann.
I was under the impression that since 2013 something was said or revealed in word or deed by the police that indicated they were no longer looking for Smithman.  If I am wrong I apologise.  On the other hand someone with a better memory than me may recall the specifics of what it is I am referring to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 07:55:31 PM
Nope, someone else may though.  Of course I may be mistaken, but as they haven’t appealed for any further information on the Smith sighting in seven years and as they seem to be concentrating on a known German paedo, it would seem from the evidence that they are no longer interested in Smithman.

Rings a very vague bell. A reply to one of the innumerable FOI requests?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:56:07 PM
Rings a very vague bell. A reply to one of the innumerable FOI requests?
Yes, something like that.  I recall it being discussed on this forum at the time.  It wasn’t THAT long ago.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
Did someone not write asking why the Smithman photofits were not on their website and they replied that they were no longer persons of interest, or some such?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 04, 2020, 08:11:20 PM
And meanwhile if Madeleine is still alive she’s......fill in the blanks.

Whatever happened to Madeleine wasn't a game ... I'm surprised you appear to be treating it as such.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 08:12:17 PM
The German suspect's full mugshot revealed..(https://i.imgur.com/PsKnbuX.jpg)

Not to dissimilar to a previous named by the press suspect.

(https://i.imgur.com/q8BRzhg.jpg)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12228229

Bound to be one of them.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 08:14:49 PM
Not to dissimilar to a previous named by the press suspect.

(https://i.imgur.com/q8BRzhg.jpg)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12228229

Bound to be one of them.

Martin Ney is older than the current suspect. I believe 49 years old?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 08:23:08 PM
Martin Ney is older than the current suspect. I believe 49 years old?

Germans mentioned back in 2011,took them along time to get to Germany.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3298.msg125600#msg125600
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 04, 2020, 08:44:07 PM
Did someone not write asking why the Smithman photofits were not on their website and they replied that they were no longer persons of interest, or some such?

A man seen by many eye witnesses carrying who they believe was Madeleine McCann at the time she disappeared is no longer a person of interest. What Nonsense!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 04, 2020, 08:51:54 PM
To me, this is not the same person. Perhaps Martin Ney is the person with the mobile number that made the call to Christian Brückner?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 08:55:31 PM
To me, this is not the same person. Perhaps Martin Ney is the person with the mobile number that made the call to Christian Brückner?

I said they're not dissimilar.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 08:56:35 PM
Did someone not write asking why the Smithman photofits were not on their website and they replied that they were no longer persons of interest, or some such?
Wasn't it because of an upgrade to their site?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 08:59:18 PM
Wasn't it because of an upgrade to their site?
I have no idea, but for years there were no photofits of Smithman on their website if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 09:01:28 PM
I have no idea, but for years there were no photofits of Smithman on their website if I recall correctly.

Think this answers it,they'll not disclose it.

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/disclosure_2018/june_2018/information-rights-unit---various-questions-about-operation-grange
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 09:01:55 PM
A man seen by many eye witnesses carrying who they believe was Madeleine McCann at the time she disappeared is no longer a person of interest. What Nonsense!

you’ve obviously forgotten this post you wrote last year


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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 09:02:44 PM
Vindicated!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 09:04:55 PM
Vindicated!
Not part of any appeal,there was no appeal for info.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 04, 2020, 09:05:29 PM
Vindicated!

Current appeal. Smithman is the ace!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 09:10:48 PM
Not part of any appeal,there was no appeal for info.
And why would that be do you suppose?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 09:11:43 PM
Current appeal. Smithman is the ace!
Deluded.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2020, 09:19:07 PM
An interesting and informative article here - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 04, 2020, 09:26:14 PM
An interesting and informative article here - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995
Circumstantial at best it seems.


There is a lot of circumstantial evidence against the man, but no proof.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 04, 2020, 09:29:20 PM
Circumstantial at best it seems.

We only know what has been announced, but little of any substance, it would seem.

I am wondering why they are confident that it was him who had this long telephone conversation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 09:42:33 PM
Compared to the Smith efits.

That’s just chaff or you’re presuming without evidence that only one person was involved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 10:04:35 PM
An interesting and informative article here - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995
Sickening.  No wonder he kept going back to Portugal, he knew he could get away with all sorts there, so inept were the local police.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 10:13:17 PM
Sickening.  No wonder he kept going back to Portugal, he knew he could get away with all sorts there, so inept were the local police.

Surely it is equally inept to start a missing child case by refusing to investigate any possibility that there may be some close family involvement. Such a premise is (or rather was) unheard of.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 04, 2020, 10:23:29 PM
Talking of scapegoats..if he was to confess to the crime....then appear in court looking like he had been beaten to a pulp...would sceptics accepy his guilt.

I read tonight he had written something on an internet forum about the case which could have incriminated him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 10:35:11 PM
Surely it is equally inept to start a missing child case by refusing to investigate any possibility that there may be some close family involvement. Such a premise is (or rather was) unheard of.
Deflection. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 10:36:13 PM
I read tonight he had written something on an internet forum about the case which could have incriminated him.
Where did you read that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 04, 2020, 10:39:52 PM
Where did you read that?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/german-madeleine-mccann-suspect-wrote-22136821
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 04, 2020, 10:49:52 PM
I read tonight he had written something on an internet forum about the case which could have incriminated him.

Yes, I've seen that mentioned as well. Not clear whether it was a forum, or comments on a blog, nor in which language.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 10:50:56 PM
Whatever happened to Madeleine wasn't a game ... I'm surprised you appear to be treating it as such.

No it isn’t a game and this is a real child who has probably died in the most horrific of circumstances if the German police have ‘their finger on the pulse’. Perhaps it’s worth you remembering that...this isn’t merely about exonerating the parents.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 04, 2020, 11:09:45 PM
An interesting and informative article here - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995

Very interesting. There doesn’t seem to be any history of abduction in his past, even though there is horrific abuse  and no evidence that he carried out his crimes with an accomplice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 11:11:10 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/german-madeleine-mccann-suspect-wrote-22136821

Thanks but that article does not say anything to suggest that what he wrote was self incriminating. Or was that part of your post speculation?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 11:18:59 PM
Very interesting. There doesn’t seem to be any history of abduction in his past, even though there is horrific abuse  and no evidence that he carried out his crimes with an accomplice.
There is a history of highly risky behaviour including robbing holiday apartments while they were occupied.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 11:23:46 PM
Hundreds respond to fresh Madeleine McCann appeal for information
4 June 2020 at 9:33pm
 Madeleine in Portugal before her disappearance.
Madeleine in Portugal before her disappearance.
Hundreds of people have responded to a fresh police appeal for information over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Scotland Yard, working with German and Portuguese authorities, have received hundreds of emails and calls from the public after urging people to come forward if they could shed more light on a German prisoner currently under investigation on Wednesday night.

German prosecutors believe Madeleine is dead and are investigating the child sex predator on suspicion of her murder.

 Madeleine disappeared just before her fourth birthday.
Madeleine disappeared just before her fourth birthday. Credit: PA
Mary Nightingale on the resolve of Gerry and Kate McCann
What do we know about the suspect in the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
German media name suspect in Madeleine McCann murder investigation
DCI Mark Cranwell, who is leading the Metropolitan Police’s Operation Grange investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance, said more than 270 calls and emails had been received by 4pm on Thursday.

Thanking the public for getting in touch, he said: “We are pleased with the information coming in, and it will be assessed and prioritised.

“We continue to urge anyone with information to come forward and speak with us.”

Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick reveals the suspect's name was given to police in 2017
The suspect under investigation, a 43-year-old German national who has been named in media reports as Christian B, is reportedly serving a seven-year prison sentence for the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Portugal in 2005.

He is known to have lived on the Algarve coast and his Portuguese mobile phone received a half-hour phone call in Praia da Luz around an hour before Madeleine, three, went missing on May 3 2007.

Scotland Yard said he was believed to have been living in a distinctive early 1980s VW T3 Westfalia camper van at the time and re-registered a 1993 Jaguar XJR6 in someone else’s name the day after her disappearance.

The force’s Operation Grange, which has received £12.3 million in funding up since it was launched in 2013, still considers the case a missing person inquiry because there is no “definitive evidence whether Madeleine is alive or dead”.

But Hans Christian Wolters, a spokesman for the Braunschweig public prosecutor’s office, said the suspect is being investigated “on suspicion of murder”, adding: “We are assuming that the girl is dead.

German newspaper Braunschweiger Zeitung reported the suspect was convicted of rape in Braunschweig District Court in December last year.

 A house in Portugal linked to the suspect
A house in Portugal linked to the suspect Credit: Federal Criminal Police Office of Germany/PA
Der Spiegel reported he is serving a prison sentence in Kiel, having been initially extradited from Portugal in 2017 and convicted of drug trafficking.

The German magazine said his criminal record contains a total of 17 entries, including child abuse while he was still a teenager, and published a pixelated picture of him apparently taken from Facebook.

It comes after Christian Hoppe, from Germany’s Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA), told the country’s ZDF television channel on Wednesday night German police have not ruled out a sexual motive for the alleged crime against Madeleine.

He said that the suspect may have broken into an apartment in the Ocean Club complex, where Madeleine was on holiday with her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, and her twin siblings Sean and Amelie, before spontaneously kidnapping her.

A BKA appeal said: “There is reason to assume that there are other persons, apart from the suspect, who have concrete knowledge of the course of the crime and maybe also of the place where the body was left.”

 Kate and Gerry McCann in 2007
Kate and Gerry McCann in 2007 Credit: Steve Parsons/PA
Both vehicles linked to the suspect have been seized by German police, who said there is information to suggest the suspect may have used one of them in the alleged offence.

The BKA is asking for other potential victims to come forward, while an appeal on German Crimewatch-style programme XY said the suspect was linked to houses in Portugal, including one between Praia da Luz and Lagos.

Scotland Yard revealed the “significant development” in a joint appeal with the BKA and the Portuguese Policia Judiciaria (PJ), including a £20,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of the person responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance who vanished shortly before her fourth birthday.

Kate and Gerry McCann, from Rothley, in Leicestershire, welcomed the latest appeal in a statement which said: “We will never give up hope of finding Madeleine alive, but whatever the outcome may be, we need to know as we need to find peace.”

Last updated Thu 4 Jun 2020
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 04, 2020, 11:37:28 PM
Deluded.

 *%87 they will never solve this case until he is identified. Everything leads to Smithman and his perculiar timeline. Time for him to come forward and reveal himself knowing they have another but don't bet on it  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 11:42:02 PM
*%87 they will never solve this case until he is identified. Everything leads to Smithman and his perculiar timeline. Time for him to come forward and reveal himself knowing they have another but don't bet on it  @)(++(*
Ridiculous.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 04, 2020, 11:43:19 PM
Deflection.

Not at all. I'm just pointing out an obvious flaw.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 12:02:05 AM
Not at all. I'm just pointing out an obvious flaw.
In what?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 05, 2020, 12:33:06 AM
In what?

Operation Grange. Surely you agree that all missing children cases where foul play is suspecting do not start an investigation which rules out close family involvement. It's a huge flaw. A preconception introduces bias from the beginning and makes an investigation less effective, imo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 05, 2020, 01:18:28 AM
Sky News just referred to the German as "a new suspect". Poor journalism or what? Where have the been for the past few years?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 01:24:00 AM
No it isn’t a game and this is a real child who has probably died in the most horrific of circumstances if the German police have ‘their finger on the pulse’. Perhaps it’s worth you remembering that...this isn’t merely about exonerating the parents.

I posted ... "Whatever happened to Madeleine wasn't a game ... I'm surprised you appear to be treating it as such."

Perhaps you could point out where I mentioned "exonerating the parents".  I didn't.  But you certainly appear to have recognised the facts of the matter without any prompting from me.

In my opinion you seem to be less than content that the emergence of a predator such as Christian Brueckner has highlighted the incompetence of the Portuguese police from Amaral's era as he indulged his twelve year Portuguese crime spree without let nor hindrance from them.

He hasn't been charged let alone tried but the horrific circumstances of Madeleine's abduction are no doubt down to a person such as Brueckner who has been described as climbing though windows to burgle tourist nick-knacks and who with premeditation entered at least one property with the intention of assaulting the occupant.
This he did.
Any ideas why the Portuguese cops did nothing about that or why it was left to the Germans.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: steve_trousers on June 05, 2020, 02:17:17 AM
Thanks but that article does not say anything to suggest that what he wrote was self incriminating. Or was that part of your post speculation?

Looking at the morning press, the narrative seems more along the lines of his boasting to a friend in a bar rather than anything self incriminating online. Thus far.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 03:00:19 AM
Snip
Brueckner is behind bars in Germany. But it was claimed that he could walk free within days, as he will become eligible for parole on Sunday.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12337492


If true, that is the probable explanation for the police going public on Brueckner.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 05, 2020, 05:26:00 AM
Latest news about Brueckner's girlfriend and his second abode in PdL...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8390005/Police-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-suspects-underage-Kosovan-ex-lived-Praia-da-Luz.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8390005/Police-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-suspects-underage-Kosovan-ex-lived-Praia-da-Luz.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 05:36:20 AM
Let’s hope both happen within a year.
Why do you hope this guy in particular is charged? I'd venture there is as much evidence against him as there is on some others close to this case, certainly not a hint of forensics in the frenzied brit press.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 05, 2020, 05:58:06 AM
Location of Brueckner's run-down farmhouse near PdL, centre of photo...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monte+Judeu,+Portim%C3%A3o,+Portugal/@37.093884,-8.7169856,73a,35y,39.56t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b2673fdaa29bf:0xb096afa4335d47a4!8m2!3d37.1847151!4d-8.5661017 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monte+Judeu,+Portim%C3%A3o,+Portugal/@37.093884,-8.7169856,73a,35y,39.56t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b2673fdaa29bf:0xb096afa4335d47a4!8m2!3d37.1847151!4d-8.5661017)

Screenshots of Brueckner's second house (circled red, top right) and the McCann apartment (circled blue, bottom left) and a press photo of the entrance side...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 05, 2020, 06:08:32 AM
Why do you hope this guy in particular is charged? I'd venture there is as much evidence against him as there is on some others close to this case, certainly not a hint of forensics in the frenzied brit press.
The Germans haven't revealed their full hand, obviously.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 07:19:24 AM
Snip
Brueckner is behind bars in Germany. But it was claimed that he could walk free within days, as he will become eligible for parole on Sunday.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12337492


If true, that is the probable explanation for the police going public on Brueckner.
That’s absurd - he’s only recently been banged up for rape and torture, how on earth can he be eligible for parole already?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 07:25:37 AM
Why do you hope this guy in particular is charged? I'd venture there is as much evidence against him as there is on some others close to this case, certainly not a hint of forensics in the frenzied brit press.
Obviously I only hope he is charged if there is strong evidence that he did it, evidence which I hope comes to light as part of this appeal.  Don’t you hope for similar?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 08:28:04 AM
Obviously I only hope he is charged if there is strong evidence that he did it, evidence which I hope comes to light as part of this appeal.  Don’t you hope for similar?
Why would this appeal produce anything more than what is known in the preceding 13 yrs,I've always been of the mind it'll end with no charges laid at any door,still nothing to suggest otherwise.Pessimism is the way to go,never disappointed that way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 08:30:02 AM
That’s absurd - he’s only recently been banged up for rape and torture, how on earth can he be eligible for parole already?

2/3rds of his sentence apparently.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 08:35:58 AM
Snip
Brueckner is behind bars in Germany. But it was claimed that he could walk free within days, as he will become eligible for parole on Sunday.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12337492


If true, that is the probable explanation for the police going public on Brueckner.

Not sure about that. He might be for the lesser charge of 18 months or whatever it was, but he could hardly have served 2/3 of a 7-year sentence for rape. The problem seems to be a legal issue over whether the in sentence for a rape in the Algarve can be upheld as he was extradited from Italy for the other charge.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:36:21 AM
Why would this appeal produce anything more than what is known in the preceding 13 yrs,I've always been of the mind it'll end with no charges laid at any door,still nothing to suggest otherwise.Pessimism is the way to go,never disappointed that way.
This is the first time in 13 years there has been an appeal for information on this particular individual, unless I’m missing something?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:36:59 AM
About 11 yrs he's served so its not recently.
He was only found guilty of the rape last year.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 08:40:00 AM
He was only found guilty of the rape last year.

There seems to be some confusion on when he was sentenced,its saying in the mail? yeh I know they're the best he's 2/3rds through his sentence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 08:41:02 AM
This is the first time in 13 years there has been an appeal for information on this particular individual, unless I’m missing something?

Smithman? that appeal was made in 2014.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 08:41:40 AM
That’s absurd - he’s only recently been banged up for rape and torture, how on earth can he be eligible for parole already?

From Misty:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/braunschweig/article227939701/Sieben-Jahre-Haft-wegen-brutaler-Vergewaltigung-in-Portugal.html&prev=search
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 08:47:37 AM
Smithman? that appeal was made in 2014.

There was also Tannerman and the Beckham / Ghislaine look-alike. However, those were unknown individuals at the time, whereas they're now seeking info about an identified person.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 08:50:12 AM
That’s absurd - he’s only recently been banged up for rape and torture, how on earth can he be eligible for parole already?

My thoughts exactly.
Also given the seriousness of his crimes, he hasn't spent much time in jail for them, certainly not in Portugal where he led a bit of a charmed life for twelve years.

Amaral and his wife have been at pains to let us know what a selfless cop he was in the fight against drugs yet this guy was able to operate in that sphere right under his 'watchful' eye and to make a living as a burglar.
He must have been quite prolific if he was able to make a living from breaking into tourists houses ... nice Jaguar.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 08:53:55 AM
i think what is highly significant is that he is has a history of burglary and child sexual assault...that is some coincidence. we will have to wait to see what other evidence the police have and what further evidence comes to light.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 08:56:16 AM
Why would this appeal produce anything more than what is known in the preceding 13 yrs,I've always been of the mind it'll end with no charges laid at any door,still nothing to suggest otherwise.Pessimism is the way to go,never disappointed that way.

That is a question better asked of the German ~ English and Portuguese police who for some strange reason according to you, have picked on a burglar who is a sex criminal who lived and was active near the McCann holiday accommodation on the night Madeleine was taken from her bed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 08:56:21 AM
Latest news about Brueckner's girlfriend and his second abode in PdL...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8390005/Police-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-suspects-underage-Kosovan-ex-lived-Praia-da-Luz.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8390005/Police-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-suspects-underage-Kosovan-ex-lived-Praia-da-Luz.html)

When did he live in each of those houses?

Monte Judeo is only about 5km from Figuera, where Joana disappeared in 2004 * the evening of a village fête...

Correction: she disappeared 12 September, 2004 (not 2005).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 08:57:42 AM
An interesting and informative article here - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995

‘A witness who gave evidence at the rape trial said he had seen him “climb through open windows in one or another holiday flat”. The witness said Brückner told close friends how he went after “tourist shit” like cameras, video cameras, passports, wallets or loose change, sometimes entering apartments while the occupants were taking a siesta or during the night’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 09:05:46 AM
My thoughts exactly.
Also given the seriousness of his crimes, he hasn't spent much time in jail for them, certainly not in Portugal where he led a bit of a charmed life for twelve years.

Amaral and his wife have been at pains to let us know what a selfless cop he was in the fight against drugs yet this guy was able to operate in that sphere right under his 'watchful' eye and to make a living as a burglar.
He must have been quite prolific if he was able to make a living from breaking into tourists houses ... nice Jaguar.

In its ruling, the chamber followed the request of the public prosecutor's office: the 43-year-old had to serve a seven-year sentence if the ruling became final due to serious rape in conjunction with predatory extortion.

Included in this overall sentence is a one-year and nine-month criminal record issued by the Niebüll District Court in Schleswig-Holstein for trading in marijuana for the illegal drug market on Sylt.

The legal question surrounding whether the accused is still under the protection of the specialty principle after his extradition from Portugal to Germany means that he can only be prosecuted in Germany for the offense to which the European arrest warrant applied . In the case of the defendant, this warrant had been issued for another criminal trial.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 09:10:34 AM
My thoughts exactly.
Also given the seriousness of his crimes, he hasn't spent much time in jail for them, certainly not in Portugal where he led a bit of a charmed life for twelve years.

Amaral and his wife have been at pains to let us know what a selfless cop he was in the fight against drugs yet this guy was able to operate in that sphere right under his 'watchful' eye and to make a living as a burglar.
He must have been quite prolific if he was able to make a living from breaking into tourists houses ... nice Jaguar.


From the Guardian today - http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=post;quote=596464;topic=11585.420

" He said Brückner had lived in Portugal between 1995 and 2007. “According to our information during this time period, he had various casual jobs in the Lagos region, including in the hotel and catering industry,” Wolters said.

“There is further evidence that the suspect boosted his income with criminal acts, including break-ins in hotels and holiday flats, as well as through drug-dealing.”
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 09:12:28 AM
That is a question better asked of the German ~ English and Portuguese police who for some strange reason according to you, have picked on a burglar who is a sex criminal who lived and was active near the McCann holiday accommodation on the night Madeleine was taken from her bed.
Not forgetting the non imminent arrest's back in 2014,which led no where,strangely no one seems to have linked the three amigo's to him.

bolded bit,you've got him nailed at last,still puts paid to the romatic dream of being stolen to order cause of the sang real.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 09:13:43 AM
i think what is highly significant is that he is has a history of burglary and child sexual assault...that is some coincidence. we will have to wait to see what other evidence the police have and what further evidence comes to light.

Following on from Misty's link
I think the information given to the German police is confirmed by the body hair found in the rape victim's bed which DNA testing proved to be his.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 09:15:30 AM
From Misty:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/braunschweig/article227939701/Sieben-Jahre-Haft-wegen-brutaler-Vergewaltigung-in-Portugal.html&prev=search

He is arguing on a technicality.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 09:28:30 AM
Not forgetting the non imminent arrest's back in 2014,which led no where,strangely no one seems to have linked the three amigo's to him.

bolded bit,you've got him nailed at last,still puts paid to the romatic dream of being stolen to order cause of the sang real.

I don't have him 'nailed' the police do ... and hopefully the response to the public appeal made on behalf of Madeleine will result in returning evidence to assist them in furthering their case and getting to the truth.

There never was anything romantic or dreamlike about what happened to Madeleine all those years ago and I wonder at the jubilant tone of your post at the German police belief in the death of an innocent little girl.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 09:35:35 AM
Following on from Misty's link
I think the information given to the German police is confirmed by the body hair found in the rape victim's bed which DNA testing proved to be his.

Now, if the PJ forensics could just find the missing hairs that went AWOL from Madeleine's bed...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 09:50:38 AM
An interesting snippet here form the Independent - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-death-suspect-german-police-latest-a9548531.html#gsc.tab=0

"Local reports suggest he is the same man who was jailed for seven years in December for raping an American woman in Portugal in 2005."

Taken together with the claim about having served 2/3 of a sentence suggests that maybe the rape wasn't down to him.
Have German police stated that he was jailed for this rape ?

Also from the same article -

"German police said they first received information on the suspect in 2013 after an appeal by Gerry and Kate McCann on the country’s equivalent of Crimewatch.

BKA officer Christian Hoppe said it was not sufficient to trigger an investigation and “certainly not for arrest”, but police zoned in on the suspect after further details were given to the Metropolitan Police four years later."

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 10:02:09 AM

From the Guardian today - http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=post;quote=596464;topic=11585.420

" He said Brückner had lived in Portugal between 1995 and 2007. “According to our information during this time period, he had various casual jobs in the Lagos region, including in the hotel and catering industry,” Wolters said.

“There is further evidence that the suspect boosted his income with criminal acts, including break-ins in hotels and holiday flats, as well as through drug-dealing.”

Unfortunately, I don't understand much German, but I did pick up that he'd worked in the "gastronomy" sector. Not sure what that actually means: whether he was a waiter, washer-upper, beer salesman... ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 10:03:54 AM
An interesting snippet here form the Independent - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-death-suspect-german-police-latest-a9548531.html#gsc.tab=0

"Local reports suggest he is the same man who was jailed for seven years in December for raping an American woman in Portugal in 2005."

Taken together with the claim about having served 2/3 of a sentence suggests that maybe the rape wasn't down to him.
Have German police stated that he was jailed for this rape ?

Also from the same article -

"German police said they first received information on the suspect in 2013 after an appeal by Gerry and Kate McCann on the country’s equivalent of Crimewatch.

BKA officer Christian Hoppe said it was not sufficient to trigger an investigation and “certainly not for arrest”, but police zoned in on the suspect after further details were given to the Metropolitan Police four years later."

Jassi, I think there's some confusion over which sentence would theoretically allow him out. I reposted Misty's find just a bit further up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 10:09:19 AM
Jassi, I think there's some confusion over which sentence would theoretically allow him out. I reposted Misty's find just a bit further up.

I would agree. That's the problem when different reports give differing information - or even the same report.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 10:13:45 AM
I don't have him 'nailed' the police do ... and hopefully the response to the public appeal made on behalf of Madeleine will result in returning evidence to assist them in furthering their case and getting to the truth.

There never was anything romantic or dreamlike about what happened to Madeleine all those years ago and I wonder at the jubilant tone of your post at the German police belief in the death of an innocent little girl.
The police don't have him nailed,he's a suspect and should be treated as such,they want information that can either put the crime to him or rule him out.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 10:16:07 AM
‘Before ''Christian B'' moved into the van, he lived for six years with a partner in a ramshackle hillside retreat close to the Black Rock peak above Praia da Luz beach.

Detectives fear a heavily scratched wooden post in the building may be where he chained victims’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 10:18:10 AM
‘Before ''Christian B'' moved into the van, he lived for six years with a partner in a ramshackle hillside retreat close to the Black Rock peak above Praia da Luz beach.

Detectives fear a heavily scratched wooden post in the building may be where he chained victims’.

Where does this information about the post come from, please ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 10:20:30 AM
This guy's alleged offences spanned both serious and less serious criminal activities.

The PJ was (is) responsible for anything of a serious criminal nature: violent break-ins, rape, drug trafficking, potentially criminal disappearances, murders...

Trying to get this timeline straight:

- Joana Cipriano disappeared without trace on 12 September from Figueira. 2004.

- The American lady was burgled, tortured, and raped somewhere in PdL in September 2005.

- Numerous girls (the known ones appear to have been British, although there may have been others) were sexually assaulted in the PdL area aroung this period.

- Madeleine disappears from PdL on the evening of 3 May 2007.

At the time, Amaral was the coordinator in charge of all of these. WTF was he doing?

ETA: Just typos corrected.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 10:23:49 AM
‘Before ''Christian B'' moved into the van, he lived for six years with a partner in a ramshackle hillside retreat close to the Black Rock peak above Praia da Luz beach.

Detectives fear a heavily scratched wooden post in the building may be where he chained victims’.

That reminds me (from memory) of an account in Kate's book of someone telling her they'd seen a car going up towards the peak that night, and that the police had told her it would have been the police.


ETA: sorry, I think I was replying to a different bit of your post... so we may have crossed wires.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 10:33:41 AM
Where does this information about the post come from, please ?

https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/irish-daily-mail/20200605/281547998117464
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 10:43:44 AM
https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/irish-daily-mail/20200605/281547998117464

Thanks, but link doesn't work for me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 10:51:18 AM
https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/irish-daily-mail/20200605/281547998117464

Hmmm. I wouldn't take all of that as fact - sounds like tabloid sensationalism with a few details thrown in for credibility.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 10:55:21 AM
I posted ... "Whatever happened to Madeleine wasn't a game ... I'm surprised you appear to be treating it as such."

Perhaps you could point out where I mentioned "exonerating the parents".  I didn't.  But you certainly appear to have recognised the facts of the matter without any prompting from me.

In my opinion you seem to be less than content that the emergence of a predator such as Christian Brueckner has highlighted the incompetence of the Portuguese police from Amaral's era as he indulged his twelve year Portuguese crime spree without let nor hindrance from them.

He hasn't been charged let alone tried but the horrific circumstances of Madeleine's abduction are no doubt down to a person such as Brueckner who has been described as climbing though windows to burgle tourist nick-knacks and who with premeditation entered at least one property with the intention of assaulting the occupant.
This he did.
Any ideas why the Portuguese cops did nothing about that or why it was left to the Germans.

You don’t have to mention ‘exonerating the parents’, it is implicit in every post you write.

Why is the past so important to you ? Thirteen years of intensive investigation has brought forward not one firm shred of evidence against Brueckner and that’s what’s important now. Undoubtedly he is a reptile of a man who deserves every hour of the custodial sentence he is serving, and more besides, but that does not make him guilty of this crime....and on the evidence already in the public domain a conviction will be almost impossible to obtain. Further it is worth pointing out that if the case against this man comes to nought the abduction theory is very much still that,  a theory.

Lastly, let me be crystal clear, if a lack of professionalism by any police force has allowed Brueckner to continue to commit the horrific abuse he undoubtedly carried out then they should rightly be criticised. The capture of offenders of this nature is far too serious a subject to play petty morality games with and shame on you for trying.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2020, 10:59:11 AM
‘Before ''Christian B'' moved into the van, he lived for six years with a partner in a ramshackle hillside retreat close to the Black Rock peak above Praia da Luz beach.

Detectives fear a heavily scratched wooden post in the building may be where he chained victims’.

The village where he lived until 2006 has been named as Monte Judeu, which is 30km from PdL?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 05, 2020, 11:12:36 AM
Brueckner also retained his prized 1993 Jaguar XJR6. Scotland Yard has now revealed that the day after Madeleine vanished, Brueckner re-registered the classic British car to someone else, even though he was still driving it.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 11:13:22 AM
Thanks, but link doesn't work for me
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 11:19:13 AM
https://theworldnews.net/uk-news/police-link-jailed-paedophile-to-abduction-of-girl-aged-five-in-2015
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 11:21:56 AM
The village where he lived until 2006 has been named as Monte Judeu, which is 30km from PdL?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 11:30:11 AM


The wooden pole and sofa referred to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 11:47:43 AM
The police don't have him nailed,he's a suspect and should be treated as such,they want information that can either put the crime to him or rule him out.

I think you've got it, by Jove!!

INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY.  A truly great maxim to live by at all times and under all circumstance; I am sure you will agree.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 12:01:05 PM
From the Independent, today - https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/news-analysis/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-police-christian-brueckner-a9549776.html#gsc.tab=0

"This is a significant point in time for the Met’s investigation,” said the officer overseeing the probe into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance. Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy was announcing what may be the most significant development in the 13-year mystery – or another dead end that could prove fatal for the inquiry.

The new suspect is a German man whose phone records show he was near the McCanns’ apartment shortly before Madeleine’s disappearance, and who has a history of child sex offences and burgling holiday resorts.

The man is in prison in Germany after being convicted of raping an American woman in Portugal a year and a half earlier, but officers need more evidence to charge him in relation to the McCann case.

He is already appealing his rape conviction and unless new witnesses come forward with critical details of the suspect’s movements in Portugal, and those of his campervan and Jaguar, the trail will go cold once more.
Thirteen years of investigation and £12.3m of funding have led up to this point, and if the latest lead again proves fruitless it could be the end of the probe.

While the McCann inquiry has stopped and started several times, if fresh evidence is not found and charges do not result against this suspect, it could be finished for good.

Portuguese police closed their original investigation in 2008 and progress stalled until 2011, when the Home Office paid for Scotland Yard to review the available evidence.

Two years later, it opened its own probe but in 2015 the team dedicated to it was cut from 29 officers to five after “genuinely new” lines of inquiry led nowhere."

Obviously Grange failed to recognise this man as a prime suspect at the time.

I wonder why this should be ?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 12:08:20 PM
Quite a few posters here told us it was ridiculous to suggest a burglar would abduct a young child.. They were obviously wrong
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 12:15:59 PM
You don’t have to mention ‘exonerating the parents’, it is implicit in every post you write.

Why is the past so important to you ? Thirteen years of intensive investigation has brought forward not one firm shred of evidence against Brueckner and that’s what’s important now. Undoubtedly he is a reptile of a man who deserves every hour of the custodial sentence he is serving, and more besides, but that does not make him guilty of this crime....and on the evidence already in the public domain a conviction will be almost impossible to obtain. Further it is worth pointing out that if the case against this man comes to nought the abduction theory is very much still that,  a theory.

Lastly, let me be crystal clear, if a lack of professionalism by any police force has allowed Brueckner to continue to commit the horrific abuse he undoubtedly carried out then they should rightly be criticised. The capture of offenders of this nature is far too serious a subject to play petty morality games with and shame on you for trying.

I live in the present and the present as far as Madeleine's case is concerned, is the current news coming from Germany ... you are the one who introduced long past examples of Portuguese police breaking every code possible in the conduct of Madeleine's case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 12:34:21 PM
I live in the present and the present as far as Madeleine's case is concerned, is the current news coming from Germany ... you are the one who introduced long past examples of Portuguese police breaking every code possible in the conduct of Madeleine's case.

I think you’ll find I did no such thing and I’m not going to engage with you in yet more of your petty point scoring so please move on.

The current news coming from Germany is......?

For me, I hope against hope that this man has anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance as, if so, her end must have been horrific. That anyone actively hopes that this is the culprit mystifies me entirely.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 12:40:05 PM
I posted ... "Whatever happened to Madeleine wasn't a game ... I'm surprised you appear to be treating it as such."

Perhaps you could point out where I mentioned "exonerating the parents".  I didn't.  But you certainly appear to have recognised the facts of the matter without any prompting from me.

In my opinion you seem to be less than content that the emergence of a predator such as Christian Brueckner has highlighted the incompetence of the Portuguese police from Amaral's era as he indulged his twelve year Portuguese crime spree without let nor hindrance from them.

He hasn't been charged let alone tried but the horrific circumstances of Madeleine's abduction are no doubt down to a person such as Brueckner who has been described as climbing though windows to burgle tourist nick-knacks and who with premeditation entered at least one property with the intention of assaulting the occupant.
This he did.
Any ideas why the Portuguese cops did nothing about that or why it was left to the Germans.

You do it all the time - I agree with faithlilly

You go on about how bad the mccs are treated - How bad GA was.

IMO you put scorn on everyone but the mccs - who aRe the ones responsible for what happened in the first place.


You say you live in the present - so I guess Maddie well forgets about if that's the case B
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 12:42:27 PM
I think you’ll find I did no such thing and I’m not going to engage with you in yet more of your petty point scoring so please move on.

The current news coming from Germany is......?

For me, I hope against hope that this man has anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance as, if so, her end must have been horrific. That anyone actively hopes that this is the culprit mystifies me entirely.

Whatever happened to Maddie happened and no amount of hope will change that. I hope Maddie is still alive and living with a loving family... Unfortunately that's unlikely and its probably more likely that this man is responsible
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 12:44:06 PM
You do it all the time - I agree with faithlilly

You go on about how bad the mccs are treated - How bad GA was.

IMO you put scorn on everyone but the mccs - who aRe the ones responsible for what happened in the first place.


You say you live in the present - so I guess Maddie well forgets about if that's the case B

The McCanns were badly treated.  And GA was really bad.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 12:44:40 PM
You do it all the time - I agree with faithlilly

You go on about how bad the mccs are treated - How bad GA was.

IMO you put scorn on everyone but the mccs - who aRe the ones responsible for what happened in the first place.


You say you live in the present - so I guess Maddie well forgets about if that's the case B

And I agree with Brietta.. How strange.... And I don't accept the McCann's are to blame.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 12:47:03 PM
The McCanns were badly treated.  And GA was really bad.

And Madeleine was the victim of both their inaction.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 01:07:38 PM
‘Born in Bavaria in 1976, he was born Christian Fischer but was given up by his birth mother and placed in a children's home in Wuerzburg and was adopted by the Brueckner family as a baby, taking their name’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 05, 2020, 01:12:53 PM
The McCann's made very bad decisions, they thought it was safe to leave the children alone,  a friendly quiet holiday resort.  They were wrong.

The only person to blame for what happened to Madeleine is the person who abducted her.   To say the McCann's are to blame is a bit like saying you should have known some evil pervert would come and take your child when she is safe asleep in bed.   How many times have you read when a wife abuser has beaten his wife he says 'you made me do that'  she made him beat her because,  she looked at another man,  she didn't speak to him nicely,  she goes out too much,  she doesn't tell him where she's going,  she took too long at the shops etc etc.  Well did the McCann's make the abductor take Madeleine?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 01:17:56 PM
I think you’ll find I did no such thing and I’m not going to engage with you in yet more of your petty point scoring so please move on.

The current news coming from Germany is......?

For me, I hope against hope that this man has anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance as, if so, her end must have been horrific. That anyone actively hopes that this is the culprit mystifies me entirely.

I think it is becomming more and more obvious that you appear to have been banging the wrong drum for a few years.  Reminds me a bit of Sandra Felgueiras's outrage that Amaral had systematically lied to her.

You obviously missed the bit where Scotland Yard have reiterated that they consider Madeleine as a missing person because there is no proof to the contrary.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2020, 01:19:45 PM
You do it all the time - I agree with faithlilly

You go on about how bad the mccs are treated - How bad GA was.

IMO you put scorn on everyone but the mccs - who aRe the ones responsible for what happened in the first place.


You say you live in the present - so I guess Maddie well forgets about if that's the case B

I would have been astounded if you had posted otherwise.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 05, 2020, 01:32:49 PM
Brueckner also retained his prized 1993 Jaguar XJR6. Scotland Yard has now revealed that the day after Madeleine vanished, Brueckner re-registered the classic British car to someone else, even though he was still driving it.

And others wiped their phone records and never informed the police of such actions when they handed them over within 24 hours of the disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 01:35:38 PM
The McCanns were badly treated.  And GA was really bad.

Whatever - but so was Maddie.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 01:36:08 PM
I think it is becomming more and more obvious that you appear to have been banging the wrong drum for a few years.  Reminds me a bit of Sandra Felgueiras's outrage that Amaral had systematically lied to her.

You obviously missed the bit where Scotland Yard have reiterated that they consider Madeleine as a missing person because there is no proof to the contrary.

It appears bizarre to me that Madeleine’s almost certain death at the hands of a paedophile, if Brueckner is guilty, is less worthy of comment to you than the opportunity it presents to crow about past events. Are you really as hardened to the suffering Madeleine must have gone through as you appear be ? Is the need to be right, no matter what the cost for Madeleine, really all that is driving you now ?


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 01:50:30 PM
Whats happened to the innocent till proven guilty - although a vile man

or is that just for the mccs
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 01:54:17 PM
Whats happened to the innocent till proven guilty - although a vile man

or is that just for the mccs

The one thing that The McCanns largely didn't get.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 05, 2020, 01:59:59 PM
Pity the PJ didn't keep those cigarette buts found on the balcony of an apartment maybe the DNA would have matched this man.

Didn't two sisters say they saw two blonde men on the balcony of an empty apartment?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 02:00:52 PM
The one thing that The McCanns largely didn't get.

Judging by the rabid brit press it's him alright.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 02:03:31 PM
Whats happened to the innocent till proven guilty - although a vile man

or is that just for the mccs

i havent seen one post here that has denied him the presumption of innocence but seen plenty denying the McCanns.
He may or may not be guilty...what information we have is that he was around at the time and had a history of burglary and sexual assaults against a child. it will be interesting what else is discovered
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 02:04:06 PM
The McCann's made very bad decisions, they thought it was safe to leave the children alone,  a friendly quiet holiday resort.  They were wrong.

The only person to blame for what happened to Madeleine is the person who abducted her.   To say the McCann's are to blame is a bit like saying you should have known some evil pervert would come and take your child when she is safe asleep in bed.   How many times have you read when a wife abuser has beaten his wife he says 'you made me do that'  she made him beat her because,  she looked at another man,  she didn't speak to him nicely,  she goes out too much,  she doesn't tell him where she's going,  she took too long at the shops etc etc.  Well did the McCann's make the abductor take Madeleine?

Alleged to have abducted,its far from a done deal.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 02:06:50 PM
Alleged to have abducted,its far from a done deal.

You don't seem concerned that amaral hasnt used the word allegedly and has promoted his opinion a sfact
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 02:08:35 PM
Judging by the rabid brit press it's him alright.

I don't know if it is or not.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 02:09:00 PM
i havent seen one post here that has denied him the presumption of innocence but seen plenty denying the McCanns.
He may or may not be guilty...what information we have is that he was around at the time and had a history of burglary and sexual assaults against a child. it will be interesting what else is discovered

No history of kidnap or murder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 02:09:23 PM
The mystery caller has been named as Diogo Silva. Number 351 916510683.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 02:09:57 PM
Alleged to have abducted,its far from a done deal.

All seems to stem from an alleged conversation between him and another guy.
Feel it's going to need something a lot harder than that to stand any chance of making it to court .
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 05, 2020, 02:18:57 PM
https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Haengen-Faelle-Maddie-und-Inga-zusammen-article21826687.html

Google translation

PANORAMA
FRIDAY JUNE 5TH 2020
Christian B. as a suspect
Are Maddie and Inga cases related?


In the past few days, a spectacular turn in the Maddie case has made the headlines. Years after the girl's disappearance, a German sex offender is now considered a suspect. He is also assumed to have a connection to another criminal case.

The Stendal public prosecutor is looking for possible connections between the case of Inga, who disappeared five years ago in Saxony-Anhalt, and the case of three-year-old Madeleine "Maddie" McCann from Great Britain. In connection with the suspicion in the Maddie case, it will be checked whether there are any indications of a connection and whether this leads to an initial suspicion against the suspect, said the public prosecutor in Stendal. No further details were given.

As the "Magdeburger Volksstimme" and "Der Spiegel" report, the suspect Christian B. lived near the then five-year-old Inga G at the time of the disappearance. The girl disappeared without a trace on a trip to Stendal-Wilhelmsdorf in May 2015. The media reports say that B. had lived in Neuwegersleben around 90 kilometers away at that time.
This connection had already been noticed by investigators in 2016 when they searched a neglected property in Neuwegersleben. There they came across buried dog bones and a USB stick with child pornography and pictures of the suspect B. In a caravan on the property, the officers would also have found clothes for girls, even though B. had no family.

According to the "Spiegel", the investigators assume that B. knew an employee of the diaconal house in question, from whose vicinity Inga had disappeared. In the files of the Stendal police, a chat history from September 2013 was also recorded, in which B. wrote to a friend that he wanted to "catch something small and use it for days". The acquaintance replied that this was dangerous. B. replied: "Oh, if the evidence is destroyed afterwards."

As the "Magdeburg Volksstimme" reports, criminologists have been tracking the 43-year-old since a 2013 broadcast of "Case number XY ... unresolved". A witness in the missing case of Maddie recognized a phantom image shown at the time and gave the indication that B. had lived in the Portuguese coastal town of Praia da Luz at the time of the crime in 2007. The then three-year-old had disappeared from an apartment complex there.

When the officials searched the property in Saxony-Anhalt in 2016, they also compared the traces found with those in the Inga case, according to the "Magdeburg Volksstimme". At the time, however, these did not lead to useful information. However, an insurance protocol of an accident that emerged later showed that Christian B. with the minibus of a friend at the time had a parking lot on the Autobahn 2 near Helmstedt on May 1 - a day before Inga disappeared. The place is about an hour away from the diaconal work in Wilhelmshof.


According to the report, Christian B. is said to have been on the Neuwegersleben site for a few hours a day until May 6, 2015. This is how witnesses described it. Neuwegersleben is near the A2. Nevertheless, the investigators at the time had not made any connections because they did not believe that B. would connect to the Diakonie grounds in the forest.

"We assume the girl is dead"

The 43-year-old is currently serving an old prison sentence in Kiel, which the district court in Niebüll had already imposed on him in 2011. It was about trading narcotics. In parallel, he is ordered to be held in custody on charges of rape. The district court in Braunschweig last sentenced him on December 16, 2019 to seven years in prison for serious rape, including previous punishments. In 2005, around a year and a half before Maddie's disappearance, he raped a 72-year-old American in Praia da Luz, Portugal. The judgment is not yet final, the revision is with the Federal Court of Justice.

According to "Spiegel", the criminal record of the man has a total of 17 entries. Around 27 years ago, in October 1993, the district court of Würzburg imposed a two-year juvenile sentence on the child, who was then still a minor, for "sexual abuse of a child, attempted sexual abuse of a child and the conduct of sexual acts in front of a child", according to court documents.

On Wednesday evening, the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) and the public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig surprisingly announced that the German was suspected of murder in the Maddie case. "We assume that the girl is dead," said the spokesman for the Braunschweig public prosecutor, Hans Christian Wolters, on Thursday.

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It tears you apart to think that monster CB's face may have been the last she saw, without even imagining what he possibly subjected her to.
If CB is the perp he must have thought all his Christmases had come at once when he broke into a holiday apartment hoping to steal a few valuables & found 3 unsupervised young children sleeping.


Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 02:21:20 PM
All seems to stem from an alleged conversation between him and another guy.
Feel it's going to need something a lot harder than that to stand any chance of making it to court .

How did the police know that the phone call was suspicious if they  didn’t know who had made it, as they were appealing to the public to find out, or what the conversation was about ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 02:23:28 PM
How did the police know that the phone call was suspicious if they  didn’t know who had made it, as they were appealing to the public to find out, or what the conversation was about ?

Police are suspicious by nature  8(>((
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 05, 2020, 02:24:44 PM
The mystery caller has been named as Diogo Silva. Number 351 916510683.

This may be him
https://pt.linkedin.com/in/diogo-silva-42766689

ETA I recall googling this guy some time ago in connection with someone else...can't remember why atm.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 02:25:28 PM
The mystery caller has been named as Diogo Silva. Number 351 916510683.

Wasn't he mentioned a couple of pages ago concerning a witness statement?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 02:29:10 PM
This may be him
https://pt.linkedin.com/in/diogo-silva-42766689

Could be. He was a catering manager and the suspect did work in catering  when in Portugal

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 05, 2020, 02:33:06 PM
Could be. He was a catering manager and the suspect did work in catering  when in Portugal

Interesting photo......
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 02:34:01 PM
This may be him
https://pt.linkedin.com/in/diogo-silva-42766689

ETA I recall googling this guy some time ago in connection with someone else...can't remember why atm.

Can you please pm me the info, Misty?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 02:34:50 PM
No history of kidnap or murder.
I read today that he is reported to have told someone that he wished to kidnap a young child and use them over several days...if thats true i think that is significant. Dont bother saying w edon't know if its true...i've already said we need to wait for further information...
From the Mail today..

 chilling online chats reveal he wanted to 'capture something small and use it for days'
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 02:35:43 PM
Quite a few posters here told us it was ridiculous to suggest a burglar would abduct a young child.. They were obviously wrong


Thought you was waiting for the evidence - how do you know they were wrong.

Or have you got him charged already - something according to you you don't do

You just have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 02:39:38 PM
The one thing that The McCanns largely didn't get.
 


Why should they when in my case don't believe they are innocent as yet nothing changed.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 02:40:07 PM
The village where he lived until 2006 has been named as Monte Judeu, which is 30km from PdL?

I'm trying to work out where he lived and when.

Monte Judeu is barely 5 km from where Joana disappeared, when the the major local fiesta would have been in her village.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 02:44:13 PM

Thought you was waiting for the evidence - how do you know they were wrong.

Or have you got him charged already - something according to you you don't do

You just have.

You need to read and understand what I post. Is it ridiculous to suggest a burglar might abduct a child....no it isnt because here we have  a burglar who also has an interest in child abuse. That doesnt mean ive found him guilty...just that its possible and not  a ridiculous suggestion.

What is very relevant that it would be unusual to have a burglar who might also have a history of sexual abuse of children...the odds against are pretty high. Yet there was one in LUZ on the very night maddie was abducted...coincidence..maybe..maybe not
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 05, 2020, 02:44:54 PM
Brueckner also retained his prized 1993 Jaguar XJR6. Scotland Yard has now revealed that the day after Madeleine vanished, Brueckner re-registered the classic British car to someone else, even though he was still driving it.

Apparently to another German (unconfirmed). If so, why? The reason could be innocent or irrelevant, or it might not be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 02:55:43 PM
 


Why should they when in my case don't believe they are innocent as yet nothing changed.

the McCanns are entitled to the presumption of innocence and to deny them that says more about you than them
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 05, 2020, 03:20:37 PM
Could be. He was a catering manager and the suspect did work in catering  when in Portugal
.

Exactly and the inept police could have investigated Diogo Silva before bringing it out. The circus is back in town!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 03:23:04 PM
.

Exactly and the inept police could have investigated Diogo Silva before bringing it out. The circus is back in town!

Aided and abetted by the usual clowns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 03:23:20 PM
the McCanns are entitled to the presumption of innocence and to deny them that says more about you than them

I don't leave my kids on there own and expect the world pays for it - that's what it tells you about me ....

Noting else D
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 05, 2020, 03:28:59 PM
.How they missed this guy is beyond me!

Exactly and the inept police could have investigated Diogo Silva before bringing it out. The circus is back in town!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 03:33:05 PM
.

Exactly and the inept police could have investigated Diogo Silva before bringing it out. The circus is back in town!

Ah yes, but the whole press release was based around the release of these phone numbers. If police had admitted that they already knew the identity of mystery man, they would have had no justification for announcing anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 03:58:41 PM
How did the police know that the phone call was suspicious if they  didn’t know who had made it, as they were appealing to the public to find out, or what the conversation was about ?
They didn’t say the phone call was suspicious, they wanted to find the other caller to question them as a witness who may have further information. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 03:59:52 PM
Interesting photo......
Why?  Can’t see the profile as not signed in to linkedin.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 04:02:16 PM
Madeleine McCann suspect linked to separate missing girl case in Germany
June 05 2020, 12.01am
The main suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann may also have been involved in the unsolved disappearance of a five-year-old German girl in 2015, according to a lawyer for the child’s mother.

At the time Brückner, who has several previous convictions for sex crimes against children and is suspected by German police to have murdered Madeleine, was using a “dilapidated” property in the state, the Volksstimme, a newspaper from the nearby city of Magdeburg, reported this morning.

During a separate investigation into Brückner, police allegedly raided the house in February 2016, nine months after Inga’s disappearance, and found a memory stick containing footage of child abuse.

He was convicted of sexual offences against children the next year and spent 15 months in prison, but it is unclear whether the files from his Saxony-Anhalt property were used in the prosecution.

Petra Küllmei, a lawyer representing Inga’s mother, said that on the night the girl went missing the authorities had registered a car park accident involving Brückner on the A2 motorway near Helmstedt, roughly 50 miles away.

Ms Küllmei called for a new investigation into Inga’s case. “The files were closed only four weeks after the police started work,” she told the Volksstimme. “I don’t think that was very ambitious.”

Brückner, who was registered as living about 30 miles away in Braunschweig at the time, is reported to have visited the property at Neuwegersleben in Saxony-Anhalt for several hours each day until May 6, 2015, four days after Inga was reported missing.

The house was approximately 45 miles from the venue at Wilhelmshof, near Stendal, where Inga was last seen.

Met issues new appeal for information
Brückner allegedly had no alibi for the evening of her disappearance, but was not considered a suspect in the original investigation.

In a separate development the suspect was also said to have abused two young girls in his Bavarian home town, Würzburg, while he was still a teenager.

In 1994 Brückner was sentenced to two years in a young offender institution by a local court for sexual contact with children. In one of the incidents he abused a six-year-old girl in a playground before running away when she started to cry, Bild newspaper reported. He also allegedly dropped his trousers in front of a nine-year-old girl on a second occasion.

History of a sex offender
1992 Commits first known break-in.
1994 Given a two-year youth sentence for the sexual abuse of a child.
2005 Rapes and robs a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz, Portugal.
May 3, 2007 He is in the resort on the night that Madeleine McCann vanishes. The next day he changes the ownership of his Jaguar to a different name.
2011 Found guilty in his absence of drug trafficking in Niebull, Germany, and sentenced to 21 months in prison.
2016 Jailed for abusing a girl and child abuse image offences.
2017 Extradited to Braunschweig. Jailed for 15 months for sexually abusing a child.
December 2019 Convicted of the 2005 rape and jailed for seven years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 04:05:42 PM
Would this house he was supposed to be using near PDL have been within the triangulation zone for this phone call ?

That aside, would police not be able to track his movements that night from phone mast pings ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 04:09:28 PM
Someone on this thread has accused others of hoping that this vile specimen is the man responsible for Madeleine’s abduction and murder.  This is a complete misrepresentation of the truth.  Some people hope that justice for Madeleine will soon be achieved, nothing more nothing less.  The idea that this man could have abducted Madeleine and kept her alive for days to torture and abuse her before killing her makes me sick to my stomach and if I had to choose between that scenario and the falling off a sofa after an overdose of Calpol theory, then obviously I would prefer the latter.  I wish people would not twist what is said to make wholly inaccurate and offensive remarks simply to call into question the morality of others, particularly when their own moral judgement has been highly questionable for years.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 04:10:52 PM
Why?  Can’t see the profile as not signed in to linkedin.

You can if you mess about with the cartoon that comes up.  But you aren't missing anything.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 04:11:43 PM
Would this house he was supposed to be using near PDL have been within the triangulation zone for this phone call ?

That aside, would police not be able to track his movements that night from phone mast pings ?
presumably yes, assuming he hadn’t switched his phone off after the last call.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 05, 2020, 04:13:18 PM
Why?  Can’t see the profile as not signed in to linkedin.

I'm not on Linkedin either but can see it. Here it is..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 04:18:20 PM
I'm not on Linkedin either but can see it. Here it is..

Gosh.  He looks like Gerry.  It must be him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 04:20:39 PM
I'm not on Linkedin either but can see it. Here it is..
OMG, looks just like Gerry McCann!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 04:42:17 PM
Netflix documentary re-enactment: Could this be Christian Brückner?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 05, 2020, 04:49:01 PM
Netflix documentary re-enactment: Could this be Christian Brückner?
I don't think he would want to make himself stand out that much, unless he was a complete narcissist.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 04:49:41 PM
Gosh.  He looks like Gerry.  It must be him.


Slightly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 05:08:39 PM
Another picture of Christian Brückner/Brueckner.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 05, 2020, 05:09:19 PM
Things go from bad to worse for Brueckner...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8391315/Police-link-jailed-paedophile-abduction-girl-aged-five-2015.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8391315/Police-link-jailed-paedophile-abduction-girl-aged-five-2015.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 05:14:59 PM
Things go from bad to worse for Brueckner...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8391315/Police-link-jailed-paedophile-abduction-girl-aged-five-2015.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8391315/Police-link-jailed-paedophile-abduction-girl-aged-five-2015.html)

I wonder if there is any significance in the fact that the German girl disappeared on the 2nd of May 2015?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 05:23:31 PM
COPS are readying to dig up land around two Portuguese lairs where Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B lived.

One home, a farmhouse, is just 25 minutes' walk from the hotel where the three-year-old went missing 13 years ago.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/11791823/madeleine-mccann-cops-dig-up-christian-b-lairs/amp/#click=https://t.co/HLh4MaNsMZ
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 05, 2020, 05:28:54 PM
I wonder if there is any significance in the fact that the German girl disappeared on the 2nd of May 2015?
Celebrating the 8th anniversary?... but he missed it by a day..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 05:34:40 PM
I think you've got it, by Jove!!

INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY.  A truly great maxim to live by at all times and under all circumstance; I am sure you will agree.
yep,always have done,you obviously don't read my stance,person/s unknown removed Madeleine from 5a with out leaving a trace to her whereabouts,still seen nothing to change my mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 05, 2020, 05:37:29 PM
COPS are readying to dig up land around two Portuguese lairs where Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B lived.

One home, a farmhouse, is just 25 minutes' walk from the hotel where the three-year-old went missing 13 years ago.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/11791823/madeleine-mccann-cops-dig-up-christian-b-lairs/amp/#click=https://t.co/HLh4MaNsMZ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/11791823/madeleine-mccann-cops-dig-up-christian-b-lairs/amp/#click=https://t.co/HLh4MaNsMZ)
It looks as if there's a well nearby, but maybe a bit too close for comfort if he lived there at the time.  I wonder if that one was ever searched...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monte+Judeu,+Portim%C3%A3o,+Portugal/@37.0944448,-8.7173044,57m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b2673fdaa29bf:0xb096afa4335d47a4!8m2!3d37.1847151!4d-8.5661017 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monte+Judeu,+Portim%C3%A3o,+Portugal/@37.0944448,-8.7173044,57m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b2673fdaa29bf:0xb096afa4335d47a4!8m2!3d37.1847151!4d-8.5661017)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 05:38:42 PM
It looks as if there's a well nearby, but maybe a bit too close for comfort if he lived there at the time.  I wonder if that one was ever searched...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monte+Judeu,+Portim%C3%A3o,+Portugal/@37.0944448,-8.7173044,57m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b2673fdaa29bf:0xb096afa4335d47a4!8m2!3d37.1847151!4d-8.5661017 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monte+Judeu,+Portim%C3%A3o,+Portugal/@37.0944448,-8.7173044,57m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b2673fdaa29bf:0xb096afa4335d47a4!8m2!3d37.1847151!4d-8.5661017)

There were that many there it was impossible to search them all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 05:44:40 PM
COPS are readying to dig up land around two Portuguese lairs where Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B lived.

One home, a farmhouse, is just 25 minutes' walk from the hotel where the three-year-old went missing 13 years ago.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/11791823/madeleine-mccann-cops-dig-up-christian-b-lairs/amp/#click=https://t.co/HLh4MaNsMZ

The headline says about digging,nothing in the article does,only that the German authorities have been in contact.

“Judicial Police have confirmed they have been approached by German authorities in connection with the case and they will undoubtedly be prepared to carry out fresh searches in the hope of giving the McCanns closure.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 05:48:06 PM
The headline says about digging,nothing in the article does,only that the German authorities have been in contact.

“Judicial Police have confirmed they have been approached by German authorities in connection with the case and they will undoubtedly be prepared to carry out fresh searches in the hope of giving the McCanns closure.

Britain could send it's dogs across before they start digging.

Oh no, waste of time, of course, given as how we are told they are so unreliable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 05:50:27 PM
Britain could send it's dogs across before they start digging.

Oh no, waste of time, of course, given as how we are told they are so unreliable

Are the Germans now the lead investigator's? given the suspect is of their nationality,also do Grange hand over their files or do they start over?

Still its early doors yet.

Investigations are in the early stages, with prosecutors saying they would check whether there were any indications of a connection between the disappearances. No further details were given

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/germany-probes-link-mccann-case-missing-german-girl-200605105318127.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 05:54:38 PM
I can imagine Grange being only too glad to pass the baton onto the Germans.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 06:10:47 PM
Peel away the commentary,speculation and sensational bits,what is there?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 06:15:00 PM
Are the Germans now the lead investigator's? given the suspect is of their nationality,also do Grange hand over their files or do they start over?

Still its early doors yet.

Investigations are in the early stages, with prosecutors saying they would check whether there were any indications of a connection between the disappearances. No further details were given

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/germany-probes-link-mccann-case-missing-german-girl-200605105318127.html

The Germans are only going to be interested in their man so won't be going back to the beginning and getting bogged down in 600 persons of no interest.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:15:15 PM
The McCann's made very bad decisions, they thought it was safe to leave the children alone,  a friendly quiet holiday resort.  They were wrong.

The only person to blame for what happened to Madeleine is the person who abducted her.   To say the McCann's are to blame is a bit like saying you should have known some evil pervert would come and take your child when she is safe asleep in bed.   How many times have you read when a wife abuser has beaten his wife he says 'you made me do that'  she made him beat her because,  she looked at another man,  she didn't speak to him nicely,  she goes out too much,  she doesn't tell him where she's going,  she took too long at the shops etc etc.  Well did the McCann's make the abductor take Madeleine?

I stick with the woke, wandered and was run over theory as it is the only one with evidence to back it up. That puts the blame squarely back with the McCanns. No wonder supporters try to ridicule this theory so much, nobody else to blame you see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 06:17:13 PM
Peel away the commentary,speculation and sensational bits,what is there?

Zero. Not an arrest, not a charge....of course that may change but as of now zero hard evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 06:19:10 PM
I stick with the woke, wandered and was run over theory as it is the only one with evidence to back it up. That puts the blame squarely back with the McCanns. No wonder supporters try to ridicule this theory so much, nobody else to blame you see.

Is that the reason for grange  doing landscaping, some one disposed of remains on waste ground?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Does anyone know if the camper van found abandoned in Praia da Luz when Joana disappeared resembles the one used by Christian Brückner?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 06:20:16 PM
I stick with the woke, wandered and was run over theory as it is the only one with evidence to back it up. That puts the blame squarely back with the McCanns. No wonder supporters try to ridicule this theory so much, nobody else to blame you see.

You stick with what you want but i'll stick with the current investigation with 3 countries police forces in agreement.
You do realise this man has form for burglaries via windows....and form for sexual assault on ayoung child
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 06:20:35 PM
I shall continue to hope that Madeleine is still alive and unharmed somewhere.  If no one minds, that is.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 06:22:48 PM
I shall continue to hope that Madeleine is still alive and unharmed somewhere.  If no one minds, that is.

Why should one mind,we all have opinions you probably don't care for mine but tolerate them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 06:24:23 PM
You stick with what you want but i'll stick with the current investigation with 3 countries police forces in agreement.
You do realise this man has form for burglaries via windows....and form for sexual assault on ayoung child

Not quite true,Germans say she's dead,Grange still no definitive evidence either way,the PJ are silent.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 06:28:45 PM
I stick with the woke, wandered and was run over theory as it is the only one with evidence to back it up. That puts the blame squarely back with the McCanns. No wonder supporters try to ridicule this theory so much, nobody else to blame you see.
Why do you think the police in three countries aren’t pursuing this theory you set so much store by?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
Not quite true,Germans say she's dead,Grange still no definitive evidence either way,the PJ are silent.
You are in denial
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:32:44 PM
You stick with what you want but i'll stick with the current investigation with 3 countries police forces in agreement.
You do realise this man has form for burglaries via windows....and form for sexual assault on ayoung child

Has he murdered anyone to your knowledge?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:35:22 PM
Why do you think the police i. three countries aren’t pursuing this theory you set so much store by?

If it turns out that this German guy run her over, this will open a whole new chapter for the McCanns.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 06:36:37 PM
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 06:38:13 PM
No I reckon I'm good for few years yet, so on this occasion I must disappoint.

You can always put me on ignore and pretend I've gone @)(++(*

Oh if only the worked  8)><(
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 06:41:26 PM
If it turns out that this German guy run her over, this will open a whole new chapter for the McCanns.
Don’t be utterly absurd (thanks for the warning btw).
Why am I not allowed to post an article from today’s Times?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 06:41:49 PM
If it turns out that this German guy run her over, this will open a whole new chapter for the McCanns.

And for a number of supporters.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:42:52 PM
Any further attempts to take this thread off topic will be met with points awarded.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 05, 2020, 06:43:55 PM
Does anyone know if the camper van found abandoned in Praia da Luz when Joana disappeared resembles the one used by Christian Brückner?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10352.msg499001#msg499001
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 06:44:28 PM
And for a number of supporters.
This is an idiotic statement.  If Madeleine was run over by a burglar / child rapist and her body removed from the scene of the crime how would that open a new chapter for the McCanns or their supporters?  You think the McCanns would be prosecuted because some piece of lowlife killed their daughter in a  RTA and hid her body?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 06:45:02 PM
Any further attempts to take this thread off topic will be met with points awarded.
Where can I post that article then?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:48:51 PM
Where can I post that article then?

This thread is about the new suspect. If you want to post press articles about what Kate and Gerry do these days, by all means start a new thread.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:50:41 PM
This is an idiotic statement.  If Madeleine was run over by a burglar / child rapist and her body removed from the scene of the crime how would that open a new chapter for the McCanns or their supporters?  You think the McCanns would be prosecuted because some piece of lowlife killed their daughter in a  RTA and hid her body?

Because the blame would lie with them for leaving three children in an unsecured roadside apartment block.

I don't believe anyone entered that apartment that night. We know Tannerman was in fact an innocent tourist and wrong footed the entire investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 06:51:43 PM
This is an idiotic statement.  If Madeleine was run over by a burglar / child rapist and her body removed from the scene of the crime how would that open a new chapter for the McCanns or their supporters?  You think the McCanns would be prosecuted because some piece of lowlife killed their daughter in a  RTA and hid her body?

I'm sure a lot of supporters would be extremely disappointed to discover that she hadn't been stolen to order and enjoying a happy family life somewhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 06:54:09 PM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10352.msg499001#msg499001
Thank you, Misty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 06:55:57 PM
I'm sure a lot of supporters would be extremely disappointed to discover that she hadn't been stolen to order and enjoying a happy family life somewhere.

I most certainly would be.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 06:57:47 PM
I'm sure a lot of supporters would be extremely disappointed to discover that she hadn't been stolen to order and enjoying a happy family life somewhere.

The place was like Piccadilly Circus that night what with guests wandering up and down the road and several others loitering around stairwells. No self respecting paedophile would have stood a chance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 05, 2020, 06:59:06 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8392475/Maddie-McCann-suspect-sold-VW-campervan-2015-car-scrapyard.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490

Revealed: German Maddie McCann suspect Christian Brueckner sold his VW campervan in 2015 to a car scrap yard on the Algarve for £5,000
Christian Breuckner, 43, sold Volkswagen T3 Westfalia van for £5,000 in 2015
His German compatriot ran an unofficial yard in the Silves area of the Algarve
Breuckner was reported to have been living in Silves when he disposed of van
It is the first time Breuckner has been linked with a town other than Praia da Luz
By PAUL THOMPSON and MARK DUELL FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 16:22, 5 June 2020 | UPDATED: 16:23, 5 June 2020

A campervan used by the new prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case was seized from a scrapyard run by another German, it was revealed today.

Christian Breuckner sold the Volkswagen van for £5,000 in 2015 to a German compatriot who ran an unofficial yard in the Silves area of the Algarve.

The 43-year-old German paedophile was also reported to have been living in Silves when he disposed of the T3 Westfalia campervan.


It is the first time Breuckner has been linked with another town other than Praia da Luz where Madeleine disappeared from 13 years ago on May 3, 2007.

The van is being kept in a secret location and the name of the German has not been released. It is also not known how police discovered the location of the vehicle.

Despite the discovery of the van, a forensic examination is not thought to have produced any link to Madeleine's disappearance.

It is not yet known how the van got from the scrapyard and into the possession of the police. 

The discovery in Silves was reported by Portuguese TV station SIC. The Silves area is around an hour from Praia da Luz inland from the popular tourist resort of Albufeira.

There is no suggestion the German who bought Breuckner's camper van is in any way involved in disapperance of Madeleine.

The van, with a white upper body and a yellow skirting and a Portuguese registration plate, is one of two vehicles police have flagged up in an appeal this week.

The other is a Jaguar model XJR 6, with a German number plate and registered in Germany.



Detectives say it is significant that the day after Madeleine's disappearance, Breuckner re-registered the car in someone else's name back in Augsburg, Germany, even though the vehicle had never left Portugal.

Former neighbours of Breuckner said he often slept in the van rather than return to one of two rented properties.

German prosecutors believe Madeleine is dead after she vanished from a resort while on holiday with her family, and are investigating Brueckner for her murder.

Scotland Yard's Operation Grange still considers the case a missing person inquiry because there is no 'definitive evidence whether Madeleine is alive or dead'. 


Breuckner allegedly confessed to his part in Madeleine's disappearance to a friend as they watched a TV news report on the 10th anniversary of her disappearance.

The suspect is reportedly serving a seven-year prison sentence in the German port city of Kiel for the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Portugal in 2005 after he was convicted of rape at Braunschweig District Court in December last year.

Der Spiegel reported his criminal record contains a total of 17 entries, including a conviction for the sexual abuse of a child in 1994 when he was aged 17, and a 2016 conviction for abusing another child and possession of child pornography.

The details emerged after authorities revealed a new suspect had been identified in Madeleine's disappearance as a fresh appeal was launched on Wednesday night.





Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 05, 2020, 07:05:32 PM
Does this piece of witness evidence now have more relevance (or is my geography awry?)

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.msg133139#msg133139
Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #429 on: February 27, 2014, 11:25:27 PM »
Quote
Reply to Vixte's post re KM book
Quote
"4 May
A lady from an apartment across Rua Dr Gentil Martins, overlooking our little side gate, came over to speak to us. She said that the previous night she had seen a car going up the Rocha Negra - the black, volcanic cliff that dominates the village. There was a track leading to Rocha Negra, but nobody noticed any vehicle that far up in the day time, let alone in night..... I went to tell one of the police officers who was able to speak a little English. He was quite dissmissive. It would have been one of GNR men checking the area, he said."
In the files there is no statement by this lady.
Maybe police should even now find (easy because name is in files) and ask this lady exactly what time she saw the vehicle on the big hill?
This lady had visitors who left at 21:58 exactly so has a good reference timepoint and therefore will certainly be able to remember when she saw the vehicle on the big hill with good accuracy. After 21:58 ?  Or before 21:58 ?
« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 11:29:54 PM by pegasus »
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 07:10:19 PM
The place was like Piccadilly Circus that night what with guests wandering up and down the road and several others loitering around stairwells. No self respecting paedophile would have stood a chance.

If thats the case then why wasnt Maddie seen walking on her own.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 05, 2020, 07:10:58 PM
Where can I post that article then?

Why would you want to post kmcc on a suspect thread anyway.un part Maddie mccan mystery disappearance

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 07:11:28 PM
Is this the same camper van?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 07:12:41 PM
Is this the same camper van?

No. The roof lines are completely different
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 07:14:15 PM
Has he murdered anyone to your knowledge?

it is highly possible that he has...why would this have to be his second or subsequent murder...it could well be his first
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 07:15:09 PM
Thank you, Misty.

This van is white and brown. Is it of any significance?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 07:15:58 PM
If it turns out that this German guy run her over, this will open a whole new chapter for the McCanns.

are you really suggesting that maddie happened to be run over by a known sex offender with a history of burglary...that is some coincidence
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 07:17:39 PM
Because the blame would lie with them for leaving three children in an unsecured roadside apartment block.

I don't believe anyone entered that apartment that night. We know Tannerman was in fact an innocent tourist and wrong footed the entire investigation.
Whether she was run over or abdcuted by a paedo doesn’t alter the facts of what her parents did and didn’t do so it makes absolutely no difference IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 07:19:39 PM
If thats the case then why wasnt Maddie seen walking on her own.

A small child runs out of the darkness into the street and is run over by a sex fiend in a jaguar car. It only takes seconds.

Maybe that's why he changed the registered owner of the vehicle the next day in case it was seen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 07:20:13 PM
I'm sure a lot of supporters would be extremely disappointed to discover that she hadn't been stolen to order and enjoying a happy family life somewhere.
I think anyone with a heart would be disappointed, even heartbroken to know for certain that Madeleine wasn’t still alive and happy living her life somewhere, I don’t think you really need to rub salt into those wounds - or maybe you do because you’re that sort of person?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 07:22:16 PM
Does this piece of witness evidence now have more relevance (or is my geography awry?)

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.msg133139#msg133139
Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #429 on: February 27, 2014, 11:25:27 PM »
Quote
Reply to Vixte's post re KM book
Quote
"4 May
A lady from an apartment across Rua Dr Gentil Martins, overlooking our little side gate, came over to speak to us. She said that the previous night she had seen a car going up the Rocha Negra - the black, volcanic cliff that dominates the village. There was a track leading to Rocha Negra, but nobody noticed any vehicle that far up in the day time, let alone in night..... I went to tell one of the police officers who was able to speak a little English. He was quite dissmissive. It would have been one of GNR men checking the area, he said."
In the files there is no statement by this lady.
Maybe police should even now find (easy because name is in files) and ask this lady exactly what time she saw the vehicle on the big hill?
This lady had visitors who left at 21:58 exactly so has a good reference timepoint and therefore will certainly be able to remember when she saw the vehicle on the big hill with good accuracy. After 21:58 ?  Or before 21:58 ?
« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 11:29:54 PM by pegasus »
Rocha Negra again.
Harrison on Rocha Negra.

An inhibiting factor is that since the disappearance of the child an old empty house adjacent to the Trig Point on the Rocha Negra has been demolished and all rubble removed, If she was concealed within this property the search would be unlikely to detect her now.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 07:23:09 PM
Whether she was run over or abdcuted by a paedo doesn’t alter the facts of what her parents did and didn’t do so it makes absolutely no difference IMO.

I disagree. Run over after getting out of an unsecured ground floor apartment will have consequences for her parents if that is what happened. The most the driver can be charged with is failing to report an accident, leaving the scene of an accident and illegal disposal of a deceased person.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 07:23:27 PM
I think anyone with a heart would be disappointed, even heartbroken to know for certain that Madeleine wasn’t still alive and happy living her life somewhere, I don’t think you really need to rub salt into those wounds - or maybe you do because you’re that sort of person?

Anything else I can upset you over ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 07:24:46 PM
A small child runs out of the darkness into the street and is run over by a sex fiend in a jaguar car. It only takes seconds.

Maybe that's why he changed the registered owner of the vehicle the next day in case it was seen.

I'll go driving in my car,its not quite a Jaguar,only this time its a possibility.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 07:26:51 PM
I disagree. Run over after getting out of an unsecured ground floor apartment will have consequences for her parents if that is what happened. The most the driver can be charged with is failing to report an accident, leaving the scene of an accident and illegal disposal of a deceased person.

You don't think he is likely to admit it, do you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 07:27:52 PM
A small child runs out of the darkness into the street and is run over by a sex fiend in a jaguar car. It only takes seconds.

Maybe that's why he changed the registered owner of the vehicle the next day in case it was seen.

Yep up to Rocha Negra, dispose of then change registration just in case,possible?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 07:29:52 PM
You don't think he is likely to admit it, do you?

He would if linked and was facing life in prison for murder.

I hope forensics checked the front bumper and grill of the car for any DNA and not just the interior.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 05, 2020, 07:30:38 PM
You don't think he is likely to admit it, do you?

Nope,three get outs if its him,silence,denial,or I ran her over and panicked cause of my previous,go on prove it mr prosecutor.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 07:31:07 PM
He would if linked and was facing life in prison for murder.

I hope forensics checked the front bumper and grill of the car for any DNA and not just the interior.

Linking him is going to be the problem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 07:32:23 PM
A small child runs out of the darkness into the street and is run over by a sex fiend in a jaguar car. It only takes seconds.

Maybe that's why he changed the registered owner of the vehicle the next day in case it was seen.

and all those poeple ...it was like Picadilly Circus according to you...saw nothing. You need to look at the facts and see where the facts lead rather than try and make the facts fit your theory. You think your theory is supported by evidence....I don't see that. The evidence of the tracker dogs is far from conclusive imo and as i  recall the handler said as much. Dogs indicate possibilities...they dont prove anything
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 08:01:02 PM
René Hasse

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11795498/madeleine-mccann-suspect-missing-schoolboy/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 08:08:19 PM
Renee Hasse

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11795498/madeleine-mccann-suspect-missing-schoolboy/

I thought he didn't go to Portugal until some time in 1997. This disappearance was in 1996

Ignore - he went in 1995
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:09:04 PM
I disagree. Run over after getting out of an unsecured ground floor apartment will have consequences for her parents if that is what happened. The most the driver can be charged with is failing to report an accident, leaving the scene of an accident and illegal disposal of a deceased person.
And what’s the most the parents can be charged with?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:09:48 PM
Anything else I can upset you over ?
I’d rather you didn’t but have no doubt you will continue to try your best to do so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 08:10:12 PM
I thought he didn't go to Portugal until some time in 1997. This disappearance was in 1996
Who knows?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 08:14:04 PM
And what’s the most the parents can be charged with?

The Portuguese Authorities have already stated that there was No Intent to neglect the children.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 08:14:27 PM
Who knows?
Have corrected my post - he went in 1995
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:32:34 PM
The Portuguese Authorities have already stated that there was No Intent to neglect the children.
I know that, but Angelo seems to think it’s game over for the MCCanns an their supporters if this paedo ran over Madeleine prior to hiding her body.  Clearly this makes no sense whatsoever to any reasonable person.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2020, 08:38:26 PM
Does this piece of witness evidence now have more relevance (or is my geography awry?)

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.msg133139#msg133139
Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #429 on: February 27, 2014, 11:25:27 PM »
Quote
Reply to Vixte's post re KM book
Quote
"4 May
A lady from an apartment across Rua Dr Gentil Martins, overlooking our little side gate, came over to speak to us. She said that the previous night she had seen a car going up the Rocha Negra - the black, volcanic cliff that dominates the village. There was a track leading to Rocha Negra, but nobody noticed any vehicle that far up in the day time, let alone in night..... I went to tell one of the police officers who was able to speak a little English. He was quite dissmissive. It would have been one of GNR men checking the area, he said."
In the files there is no statement by this lady.
Maybe police should even now find (easy because name is in files) and ask this lady exactly what time she saw the vehicle on the big hill?
This lady had visitors who left at 21:58 exactly so has a good reference timepoint and therefore will certainly be able to remember when she saw the vehicle on the big hill with good accuracy. After 21:58 ?  Or before 21:58 ?
« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 11:29:54 PM by pegasus »

Was it an unusual occurrence for cars to be on this hill ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:39:13 PM
Think about it.  The suspect, a known child abuser and rapist blabs to his mate about abducting and abusing Madeleine, police investigate him but it turns out he lied to his friend about the abduction and abuse and instead he accidentally knocked her over in the street.  What are the chances of that?   Plausible or highly unlikely??
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 08:40:38 PM
Was it an unusual occurrence for cars to be on this hill ?
Obviously it was, or it would not have been remarked upon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 08:46:26 PM
Was it an unusual occurrence for cars to be on this hill ?
Yes, the time coincides with the time of Madeleine’s disappearance. The direction fits new information.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 08:55:52 PM
and all those poeple ...it was like Picadilly Circus according to you...saw nothing. You need to look at the facts and see where the facts lead rather than try and make the facts fit your theory. You think your theory is supported by evidence....I don't see that. The evidence of the tracker dogs is far from conclusive imo and as i  recall the handler said as much. Dogs indicate possibilities...they dont prove anything

Tracker dogs seldom get it wrong if they have a fresh scent to follow and a barefooted child leaves a solid trail.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2020, 08:59:34 PM
Yes, the time coincides with the time of Madeleine’s disappearance. The direction fits new information.

Does that information connect someone to the top of that track?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 09:01:31 PM
The Portuguese Authorities have already stated that there was No Intent to neglect the children.

It will be a different story if their stupidity led to the child's death.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Angelo222 on June 05, 2020, 09:03:19 PM
Think about it.  The suspect, a known child abuser and rapist blabs to his mate about abducting and abusing Madeleine, police investigate him but it turns out he lied to his friend about the abduction and abuse and instead he accidentally knocked her over in the street.  What are the chances of that?   Plausible or highly unlikely??

The police haven't revealed what he told his mate.  Now watch this space.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 09:04:48 PM
Tracker dogs seldom get it wrong if they have a fresh scent to follow and a barefooted child leaves a solid trail.

How do you know they followed a solid trail.. It could have been a trail laid, down the previous, day.. As I recall the handler advised caution on how to interpret the dogs actions
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 09:04:55 PM
It will be a different story if their stupidity led to the child's death.

Of course it won't.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 09:06:36 PM
The police haven't revealed what he told his mate.  Now watch this space.

I think that's what we should do rather than speculate, as you are doing.  The police are treating it as a murder investigation... Not a hit and run
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 09:08:15 PM
The tracker dogs followed Madeleine’s scent to a lamp post and a bit beyond. If the person who took Madeleine is Christian Brückner and as portrayed in the Netflix series, there should be a connection to the person who was observed by people who encountered him on the days prior?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: slartibartfast on June 05, 2020, 09:09:09 PM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10352.msg499001#msg499001

Quote
She said the man had short, curly brown hair and was about 40 years old.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 09:32:21 PM
The police haven't revealed what he told his mate.  Now watch this space.
Yes they have.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 09:36:44 PM
It will be a different story if their stupidity led to the child's death.
No it won’t, being stupid is not against the law.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 05, 2020, 09:42:54 PM
A according to the Mail the Met are being openly critical of the original investigation and also of the inaction now of the PJ.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 09:47:02 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 10:04:56 PM
A according to the Mail the Met are being openly critical of the original investigation and also of the inaction now of the PJ.
If anyone (apart from this suspect) needs to worry about current developments it’s certainly not the McCanns - it’s obviously going to be a complete disaster for Amaral and his sycophants if it turns out this guy took Madeleine..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2020, 10:10:24 PM
A according to the Mail the Met are being openly critical of the original investigation and also of the inaction now of the PJ.

It's a bit late now for The PJ to try and muscle in.  They had him for twelve years and don't appear to have known anything about his activities prolific though they were.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 10:19:56 PM
It's a bit late now for The PJ to try and muscle in.  They had him for twelve years and don't appear to have known anything about his activities prolific though they were.
On the contrary he appears to have been an early potential suspect that they quickly wrote off for no apparent reason.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 05, 2020, 10:24:45 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406

Thanks.

Christian Brueckner was in the sights of Portuguese detectives within five days of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

A nanny who looked after the toddler at the resort where she went missing said she was shown the German paedophile’s photo and told his name by investigating officers.

It came on May 8, 2007 – five days after Madeleine vanished from her family’s holiday apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2020, 10:27:12 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406

I see the media are going completely over the top. Afaik Bruceckner lived 30km from PdL, so saying the American lived half a mile from there means she didn't live in PdL.

Christian Brueckner, in jail for raping a 72-year-old woman in Praia da Luz, Portugal, is a key suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, who vanished in May 2007...

Brueckner raped, beat and robbed the American woman at her flat, which was about half a mile from the house he was living in at the time, the court heard.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-climbed-through-22144222



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2020, 10:31:00 PM
Thanks.

Christian Brueckner was in the sights of Portuguese detectives within five days of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

A nanny who looked after the toddler at the resort where she went missing said she was shown the German paedophile’s photo and told his name by investigating officers.

It came on May 8, 2007 – five days after Madeleine vanished from her family’s holiday apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.


I wonder who that nanny was? Were her initials CP?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 10:36:06 PM
I see the media are going completely over the top. Afaik Bruceckner lived 30km from PdL, so saying the American lived half a mile from there means she didn't live in PdL.

Christian Brueckner, in jail for raping a 72-year-old woman in Praia da Luz, Portugal, is a key suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, who vanished in May 2007...

Brueckner raped, beat and robbed the American woman at her flat, which was about half a mile from the house he was living in at the time, the court heard.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-climbed-through-22144222
Do you have a cite for your claim that he was living 30km from PdL?  That is not what I have read in numerous reports.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 05, 2020, 10:43:42 PM
Looking at the demeanor and eyes of Bridger (April Jones) and Christian Brückner. I realise it is unrelated but no emotion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 05, 2020, 10:49:16 PM
I wonder who that nanny was? Were her initials CP?

I didn't see a name but find past daily mirror nanny reports and you may find a name.

I like you think that it is probably Charlotte P.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 05, 2020, 10:57:36 PM
I didn't see a name but find past daily mirror nanny reports and you may find a name.

I like you think that it is probably Charlotte P.
Ooh, another little conspiracy brewing there I see.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2020, 11:38:07 PM
Do you have a cite for your claim that he was living 30km from PdL?  That is not what I have read in numerous reports.

I did put a question mark. I think I've found it now, 8km from Luz and he left there in 2006 anyway;

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Luz+Ocean+Club+(Garden+Swimming+Pool),+Rua+Jos%C3%A9+Ribeiro+Lopes,+Lagos,+Portugal/Monte+Judeu+(Escola+Velha),+Portugal/@37.1053306,-8.7257383,13z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0xd1b313da147a849:0x563016c8decffc18!2m2!1d-8.7310383!2d37.0882845!1m5!1m1!1s0xd1b3092b69d8197:0xbe44b8ac2bdb1384!2m2!1d-8.716233!2d37.126341!3e0

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8389759/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-posed-Jaguar-driving-playboy-actually-drug-dealing-drifter.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2020, 11:43:42 PM
Thanks.

Christian Brueckner was in the sights of Portuguese detectives within five days of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

A nanny who looked after the toddler at the resort where she went missing said she was shown the German paedophile’s photo and told his name by investigating officers.

It came on May 8, 2007 – five days after Madeleine vanished from her family’s holiday apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.


It seems Brueckner’s name was passed to OG in 2012.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 12:11:05 AM
I did put a question mark. I think I've found it now, 8km from Luz and he left there in 2006 anyway;

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Luz+Ocean+Club+(Garden+Swimming+Pool),+Rua+Jos%C3%A9+Ribeiro+Lopes,+Lagos,+Portugal/Monte+Judeu+(Escola+Velha),+Portugal/@37.1053306,-8.7257383,13z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0xd1b313da147a849:0x563016c8decffc18!2m2!1d-8.7310383!2d37.0882845!1m5!1m1!1s0xd1b3092b69d8197:0xbe44b8ac2bdb1384!2m2!1d-8.716233!2d37.126341!3e0

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8389759/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-posed-Jaguar-driving-playboy-actually-drug-dealing-drifter.html
So definitely not 30 km away, thanksfor confirming that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 12:20:14 AM
Do you have a cite for your claim that he was living 30km from PdL?  That is not what I have read in numerous reports.

Nor me.  But it is all a bit of a mess with repeated mistakes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 06, 2020, 12:57:52 AM
My thoughts exactly.
Also given the seriousness of his crimes, he hasn't spent much time in jail for them, certainly not in Portugal where he led a bit of a charmed life for twelve years.

Amaral and his wife have been at pains to let us know what a selfless cop he was in the fight against drugs yet this guy was able to operate in that sphere right under his 'watchful' eye and to make a living as a burglar.
He must have been quite prolific if he was able to make a living from breaking into tourists houses ... nice Jaguar.

Exactly what I had been thinking Brie.   Amaral was the main Drugs Cop, yet, over the years, Amaral never raised an eyebrow over this drug dealing guy.   I wonder how he missed him?   Brueckner certainly had lived a charmed life in Portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 06, 2020, 01:12:56 AM
When did he live in each of those houses?

Monte Judeo is only about 5km from Figuera, where Joana disappeared in 2004 * the evening of a village fête...

Correction: she disappeared 12 September, 2004 (not 2005).

Yes, and there was reportedly a white and brown camper van, with a man in it, parked in Figueira for a few days.   That suddenly vanished after Joana went missing.   It was found in a field in PdL.   

Also, locals noticed a black saloon car driving around Figueira in the period before Joana went missing.


Brueckner had a black Jaguar saloon.
Brueckner had a white and yellow camper van
Breuckner did up cars for sale.  It would be easy to change the brown to yellow for such a man.

I wonder, only wonder, could he have been involved in the abduction of Joana Cipriano?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 06, 2020, 01:41:20 AM
‘A witness who gave evidence at the rape trial said he had seen him “climb through open windows in one or another holiday flat”. The witness said Brückner told close friends how he went after “tourist shit” like cameras, video cameras, passports, wallets or loose change, sometimes entering apartments while the occupants were taking a siesta or during the night’.

I spotted that too, Anthro, yet nothing was taken from 5A except for Madeleine.

If he was involved, did Brueckner go in there, or was he a look out/ get away driver?

I don't think that he was Tannerman or Smithman
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 06, 2020, 01:48:32 AM
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5672668/madeleine-mccann-witness-christian-b-is-man/

Nick ParkerBen Leo
5 Jun 2020, 21:39Updated: 5 Jun 2020, 21:45
A KEY Madeleine McCann case witness has sensationally identified suspect Christian B as the man she saw acting suspiciously outside the McCanns’ apartment.

When shown a picture of  the paedophile, the British woman — quizzed at the time of the abduction — said: “That’s the man I saw.”
She has been left “chilled” by revelations putting the convicted child sex fiend at the centre of the case.

The woman reported the sighting within hours of three-year-old Madeleine’s disappearance on May 3, 2007, and has always been viewed as a credible witness.

Her confirmation came amid claims of glaring blunders by Judicial Police feared to have let the beast cheat justice.

The Sun understands from another British witness that Portuguese detectives circulated a photograph of Christian B years ago but failed to act.

The second woman saw the image in 2007, and also confirmed it was a man she had seen behaving bizarrely in the days after Madeleine went missing.
A Portuguese investigative source said: “It would appear Christian B's name and background were known to police all along.

“They showed his picture to at least one witness who positively identified him near the scene yet nothing appears to have been followed up.

“It beggars belief that the McCanns have been allowed to endure so much pain for so long.

“The Judicial Police appear to have been more interested in pinning the blame on them rather than acting on clear evidence.”

A Sun trawl of witness statements all pointed to a man matching the paedophile's description.

A man and van like his were spotted several times before Madeleine went missing from the Ocean Club apartment in Praia da Luz.

Archived statements also describe a tall, slim, white man staring at the block days before she vanished.

Tasmin Sillence, 12 at the time, told police she saw a white man in dark glasses with his gaze fixed on the complex.

Moments later, she looked up and saw a girl around Madeleine’s age on a sun deck in the same block.

Tasmin provided police with the photofit picture circulated at the time which bears a striking resemblance to Christian B, 43.

She told Judicial Police she was walking to school at 8am on April 30 when she first saw the man at the rear of the family’s apartment.

Her statement said the man was staring at the empty balcony.

On May 2, she saw the same man on her way back from a supermarket.

Police records state: “She saw the man, this time in front of the Ocean Club reception, once more looking at Madeleine’s house.”

Tasmin, who is British and is still believed to live in the area, described the man as light-skinned, and around 5ft 9in, clean-shaven with short, possibly blond hair.
She added that his face was pockmarked, he looked “ugly” and was casually dressed and wearing large-framed sunglasses.

Carole Tranmer, 72, gave Portuguese and Leicestershire police a description which uncannily matched that of Christian B in 2008.

She was visiting a property in the Ocean Club block when she spotted a suspicious blond man as he left a garden hours before Madeleine vanished on May 3.

She told police: “I would recognise him. It was his furtiveness that called my attention.

“I saw someone leave the apartment of the first floor, closing the gate very gently. It appeared very strange.

“He did this as though he wanted to make the minimum amount of noise, that is stealthily, and as if he did not want anyone to know that he was coming or going.

“He was 30 to 35, light-skinned, no freckles, he was not sunburned, he was not dark, he was a light colour.”

Police are also probing claims that suspect Christian B may have had an accomplice.

Derek Flack, from Essex, provided a statement after spotting a dark-skinned man acting suspiciously on May 2 or 3 opposite another man with a white van.

The pair were yards from Madeleine’s flat when they were seen by Mr Flack and his wife.

Judicial Police statements provided by Mr Flack said he saw a dark-skinned man with stubble and short dark hair in a yellow T-shirt.

The man was “was standing at the corner of the path watching in the direction of the apartment that Madeleine would later disappear from.”

Mr Flack said the man’s van was possibly an Opel.
Christian B, jailed for the rape of a 72-year-old woman in Praia 18 months before Madeleine vanished, is described by German police as pale, blond and 6ft.

At the time of her disappearance, he was seen driving a VW T3 Westfalia Camper van, as well as a grey Jaguar.

The statements support German prosecutors’ claims that Madeleine may have been stalked for at least four days.

Police stepped up the hunt for the mystery caller who phoned Christian B for 30 minutes on the night of the snatch. The caller’s number was registered to the Portuguese name Diogo Silva.

Christian B also had a long history of petty crime including burglary and drug dealing.

In April 2007, two burglaries were reported in Block Five at the Ocean Club.

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There are a few inaccuracies in the above report & the possible "accomplice" sighting by Derek Flack was 99% certainly an OC employee (clue-yellow t-shirt).
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 06, 2020, 01:57:06 AM
That reminds me (from memory) of an account in Kate's book of someone telling her they'd seen a car going up towards the peak that night, and that the police had told her it would have been the police.


ETA: sorry, I think I was replying to a different bit of your post... so we may have crossed wires.

That route goes past Freuds villa and on along a rough track to the house where Brueckner mainly lived it seems.    On GE the track seems fairly narrow and it might not have been wide enough for a car at its northern end.  Perhaps someone local will know.  It certainly is wide enough right up to and beyond that gorgeous curved villa half way up to the Geological point that Kate and Gerry ran to.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 06, 2020, 02:19:29 AM


The villa, Escola Velha, where Brueckner lived [partly] is just 1.3 miles, crow flies, from the centre of Portelas where SIL lives.  Almost nothing in between the two places except an odd farm building and lots of fields

It is on the M535-1 on the RHS going from Portelas in a westerly direction.  Looks a nice property.


Pity SIL isn't here.  He might be able to enlighten us on some of our questions.

I wonder if he got wind of this Brueckner the day he left the forum?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 06, 2020, 03:28:34 AM
Is this the same camper van?

Well if it is, then the colour lower down has been changed to white … and an additional layer has been added to the roof for some reason.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 06, 2020, 05:38:13 AM
I spotted that too, Anthro, yet nothing was taken from 5A except for Madeleine.

If he was involved, did Brueckner go in there, or was he a look out/ get away driver?

I don't think that he was Tannerman or Smithman
There doesn't appear to be any forensics to link him,IMO he never went near the place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Carana on June 06, 2020, 06:42:50 AM
Does this piece of witness evidence now have more relevance (or is my geography awry?)

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.msg133139#msg133139
Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #429 on: February 27, 2014, 11:25:27 PM »
Quote
Reply to Vixte's post re KM book
Quote
"4 May
A lady from an apartment across Rua Dr Gentil Martins, overlooking our little side gate, came over to speak to us. She said that the previous night she had seen a car going up the Rocha Negra - the black, volcanic cliff that dominates the village. There was a track leading to Rocha Negra, but nobody noticed any vehicle that far up in the day time, let alone in night..... I went to tell one of the police officers who was able to speak a little English. He was quite dissmissive. It would have been one of GNR men checking the area, he said."
In the files there is no statement by this lady.
Maybe police should even now find (easy because name is in files) and ask this lady exactly what time she saw the vehicle on the big hill?
This lady had visitors who left at 21:58 exactly so has a good reference timepoint and therefore will certainly be able to remember when she saw the vehicle on the big hill with good accuracy. After 21:58 ?  Or before 21:58 ?
« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 11:29:54 PM by pegasus »

That's the bit I was thinking of. Thanks Misty.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 06, 2020, 07:07:54 AM
Think about it.  The suspect, a known child abuser and rapist blabs to his mate about abducting and abusing Madeleine, police investigate him but it turns out he lied to his friend about the abduction and abuse and instead he accidentally knocked her over in the street.  What are the chances of that?   Plausible or highly unlikely??


I’ve never heard of one hit&run where the driver has put the body INSIDE their car to allow blood/DNA all inside it, and then dumped the body elsewhere.

Hit & run drivers speed off and hide their cars.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: ISpyWithMyEye on June 06, 2020, 07:29:23 AM
The place was like Piccadilly Circus that night what with guests wandering up and down the road and several others loitering around stairwells. No self respecting paedophile would have stood a chance.

So that rules out the McCann’s who had no transport, interrupting their evening meal — dashing in to murder Madeleine whilst she slept — for no reason whatsoever — then carried her out dead into “Piccadilly Circus”, looked for a good spot to bury her, dug the ground up with a plastic seaside bucket & spade , trampled the ground flat...ran back to wash their hands and arms, then walked calmly back inside the Tapas Bar rejoining their friends and started tucking back into their Tapas, sipping wine, chatting and laughing with their group, cool as cucumbers...

Besides everything else, why would any parents have IVF because they wanted children so very much decide to take them all to Portugal to kill the eldest? And kill her mid-meal when they’re all relaxing? Why not “accidentally “drown her?
Why not go on a day trip and “lose” her somewhere? Why not push her over on the stone ground fracturing her skull as though she’d slipped?

Why does anyone even think they’d have wanted to kill her?!

They were a normal, happy family. Educated, good careers, comfortably off...why on earth would they have wanted to kill the daughter they’re tried so desperately hard to have?!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 08:30:47 AM
Madeleine McCann suspect, Christian Brückner, filmed sex attacks
June 04 2020, 5.00pm
A video cassette found at the farmhouse in Praia da Luz showed him raping a 72-year-old American woman in 2005 after he broke into her villa less than a mile from the McCann family’s holiday apartment. The video also showed a woman aged 15 to 20 tied up who was forced to perform a sex act. He also filmed an attack on a third woman aged between 45 and 50.

Brückner’s violent offending, paedophile conviction in Germany before he moved to the Algarve and his history of stealing from local hotel rooms and rental properties have raised questions about why he had not been a prime suspect earlier in the Madeleine McCann investigation.

Graham Hill, a child abuse detective sent to help the Portuguese police in 2007, told The Times: “One of the first tasks in an abduction is to list local sex offenders. You don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes to work that out. If they did that, they would work out there was a German guy with a child sex offence history who has done burglaries. They should have been able to say he was a viable suspect. So why would it take 13 years?”

Dr Hill, who is now a criminologist, told The Conversation website that the Portuguese approach was “flawed and not fit for purpose” from the beginning.

Operation Grange, the Met’s inquiry into Madeleine’s disappearance, was given Brückner’s name years before the witness tip-off in 2017 elevated him to prime suspect. However, he was not among 600 persons of interest. Dr Hill said: “In time, there’s going to be some questions asked about why this person didn’t come to the fore of both investigations sooner.”

Brückner and an English girlfriend had lived in the farmhouse about a mile from the McCanns’ holiday apartment until mid-2005. He remained there alone until he was jailed for theft in April 2006. Before he was jailed he claimed to have bought 25 “English passports” for €1,000 which he planned to sell for €2,000.

He was released in December 2006 and returned to Praia da Luz and lived in his VW camper van.

Witnesses have described seeing a man matching Brückner’s description monitoring the Ocean Club complex where the McCanns were staying in the days before Madeleine disappeared. Some witnesses believe that he may have had an accomplice who was driving a van similar to his VW camper.

Brückner left Portugal shortly after Madeleine disappeared and returned to Germany with an English-speaking girlfriend. He had a lot of cash, which he told friends that he had found during a burglary on the Algarve.

He continued to spend a lot of time in Portugal and is believed to have had a property in the Silves area, inland from Praia da Luz. In 2015 he sold the VW T3 Westfalia to the German owner of a breakers yard in Silves, where it was found by police last year. The yard owner said that he had met Brückner several times and they talked about classic cars and vans. “We had that same passion,” he said. “The guy seemed normal and I never thought I’d see his face as a suspect in this famous case.”

Brückner fled back to Portugal in 2016 while facing prosecution in Germany for sexually abusing a child. He was extradited in June 2017 and spent 15 months in prison.

The rape of the American woman who had been threatened with a “scimitar” with a 30cm blade remained unsolved until the burglar who found the video contacted German police in 2018. They alerted the Portuguese authorities who matched Brückner’s DNA to the rape.

The victim had returned to the United States and was too traumatised to give evidence at the trial, at the end of which, in December last year, Brückner was sentenced to seven years in prison.

Brückner had arrived in Portugal in 1995 after fleeing a jail sentence in Germany for the sexual abuse of children. He sold advertisements for newspapers and worked for a company selling awnings and pool covers.

He moved to Praia da Luz to start his own pool business. When that failed he began importing used German cars to sell and worked as a waiter in the nearby town of Lagos. In 2005 he was fined for assaulting a police officer.

Analysis
The news that the prime suspect has been under the noses of police for 13 years raises the most serious questions yet about the bungled inquiry.

Portuguese police have been criticised for their errors in the hours after Madeleine McCann vanished, including failing to seal off her holiday apartment properly, examine CCTV film and send crucial evidence for analysis. The decision to eliminate Christian Brückner from their inquiries in 2008, despite his convictions for burglary and child sexual offences, could prove the most fateful. Any forensic science chances to link him to the case are likely to be gone, and he has abused other children.

There are questions for the Metropolitan Police, too, which was given Brückner’s name years before the witness tip-off in 2017. British officers also long regarded a botched burglary as a credible theory.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 06, 2020, 09:02:54 AM
The American woman's rented villa 'Casa Jacaranda' with 'WET' tiled on the pool floor, close to PdL beach...

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0871204,-8.7246351,76a,35y,39.58t/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0871204,-8.7246351,76a,35y,39.58t/data=!3m1!1e3)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393151/Luxury-villa-new-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-raped-72-year-old-tourist.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393151/Luxury-villa-new-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-raped-72-year-old-tourist.html)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:04:28 AM
This is a Portuguese Investigation.  As we have been frequently reminded.  Operation Grange had No Jurisdiction.  They weren't even allowed to interview anyone.  So how could they pursue anything independently?

Meanwhile, this supposed Suspect was locked up in Germany and only Portugal had the Legal Right to approach this person.  Who will charge him if there is sufficient evidence and where will he be tried?  Will he be made Arguido with a right to refuse to answer any questions?

It's not looking good, Folks.

God, what a mess.  Portugal had tabs on him in the beginning and decided that he wasn't involved despite 12 Years of criminal activity.  Did Portugal even interview him?

And I think we can kiss goodbye to any Forensics after all this time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 09:07:28 AM
The American woman's rented villa 'Casa Jacaranda' with 'WET' tiled on the pool floor, close to PdL beach...

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0871204,-8.7246351,76a,35y,39.58t/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0871204,-8.7246351,76a,35y,39.58t/data=!3m1!1e3)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393151/Luxury-villa-new-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-raped-72-year-old-tourist.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393151/Luxury-villa-new-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-raped-72-year-old-tourist.html)
So when Holly claimed the rapist and victim were known to each other and lived just down the lane from each other that was false. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 06, 2020, 09:09:11 AM
This is a Portuguese Investigation.  As we have been frequently reminded.  Operation Grange had No Jurisdiction.  They weren't even allowed to interview anyone.  So how could they pursue anything independently?

Meanwhile, this supposed Suspect was locked up in Germany and only Portugal had the Legal Right to approach this person.  Who will charge him if there is sufficient evidence and where will he be tried?  Will he be made Arguido with a right to refuse to answer any questions?

It's not looking good, Folks.

God, what a mess.  Portugal had tabs on him in the beginning and decided that he wasn't involved despite 12 Years of criminal activity.  Did Portugal even interview him?

And I think we can kiss goodbye to any Forensics after all this time.

His ex underage girlfriend may have some information which she would have been frightened to divulge... If she's guaranteed protection she may speak... Just have to be found first
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 09:24:54 AM
Yes, and there was reportedly a white and brown camper van, with a man in it, parked in Figueira for a few days.   That suddenly vanished after Joana went missing.   It was found in a field in PdL.   

Also, locals noticed a black saloon car driving around Figueira in the period before Joana went missing.


Brueckner had a black Jaguar saloon.
Brueckner had a white and yellow camper van
Breuckner did up cars for sale.  It would be easy to change the brown to yellow for such a man.

I wonder, only wonder, could he have been involved in the abduction of Joana Cipriano?

As is normal in such cases Brueckner is being checked out for missing children cases in areas where he is known to have been.  In Portugal at the moment the little german boy who vanished from a beach, René Hasee. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393361/Police-link-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-disappearance-schoolboy-6.html  As a native German there would have been no language barrier and René  could have been enticed away with ease.

I believe Joana Cipriano's case is one that British detectives have long associated with Madeleine's disappearance because of the proximity of Figueira  and Luz, the missing girls and the abandoned vehicle.
I am sure it should be looked at again although the difficulty here for the Portuguese is that Joana's case was officially 'solved' by Amaral who was convicted of perjury for covering up the horrific torture of Joana's mother, Leonor. Who had a 'confession' beaten out of her and has just recently been released from a long prison sentence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Myster on June 06, 2020, 09:25:10 AM
So when Holly claimed the rapist and victim were known to each other and lived just down the lane from each other that was false.
I've no idea where she dug that one up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 06, 2020, 09:25:46 AM
This is a Portuguese Investigation.  As we have been frequently reminded.  Operation Grange had No Jurisdiction.  They weren't even allowed to interview anyone.  So how could they pursue anything independently?

Meanwhile, this supposed Suspect was locked up in Germany and only Portugal had the Legal Right to approach this person.  Who will charge him if there is sufficient evidence and where will he be tried?  Will he be made Arguido with a right to refuse to answer any questions?

It's not looking good, Folks.

God, what a mess.  Portugal had tabs on him in the beginning and decided that he wasn't involved despite 12 Years of criminal activity.  Did Portugal even interview him?

And I think we can kiss goodbye to any Forensics after all this time.

IMO it might be enough for closure though. K&G for the first time don't seem so insistent that there is no evidence that MM is dead. Clarence even talked about "closure". The German guy can be rightly exposed in the press for his sickening crimes so the armchair detectives then have him banged to rights, in their heads, for the alleged abduction and murder of MM. Case closed in the collective consciousness.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:33:50 AM
IMO it might be enough for closure though. K&G for the first time don't seem so insistent that there is no evidence that MM is dead. Clarence even talked about "closure". The German guy can be rightly exposed in the press for his sickening crimes so the armchair detectives then have him banged to rights, in their heads, for the alleged abduction and murder of MM. Case closed in the collective consciousness.

Not in my collective conscience it won't.

Even I have been forced to consider the death of Madeleine, but I want Proof.  And she isn't even my child.  I am assuming nothing.  So why should Kate and Gerry?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 09:38:27 AM
Not in my collective conscience it won't.

Even I have been forced to consider the death of Madeleine, but I want Proof.  And she isn't even my child.  I am assuming nothing.  So why should Kate and Gerry?

What would constitute proof in you view?

I'm thinking of the Moor Murders, where it was well recognised that Keith Bennett was dead and buried on the moor, but no body was ever found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 06, 2020, 09:41:05 AM
Not in my collective conscience it won't.

Even I have been forced to consider the death of Madeleine, but I want Proof.  And she isn't even my child.  I am assuming nothing.  So why should Kate and Gerry?

I can't speak for them, but from what is reported there doesn't appear to be the same belligerent insistence that they believe she could still be alive. I agree with the rest of your post. It doesn't satisfy me either. Absolute proof isn't easy in many cases unfortunately, though.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:42:58 AM
What would constitute proof in you view?

I'm thinking of the Moor Murders, where it was well recognised that Keith Bennett was dead and buried on the moor, but no body was ever found.

A Body or a Confession.  And I wouldn't necessarily be satisfied with a Confession.  Would you?

The Moors Murders were a different kettle of fish altogether.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 06, 2020, 09:45:43 AM
I'm sure a lot of supporters would be extremely disappointed to discover that she hadn't been stolen to order and enjoying a happy family life somewhere.

I would think that everyone would be disappointed.

It was a hope of mine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 09:48:06 AM
A Body or a Confession.  And I wouldn't necessarily be satisfied with a Confession.  Would you?

The Moors Murders were a different kettle of fish altogether.

Were they ? The way this heading (in the media at least), this guy is being portrayed as a serial killer with at least one other body unaccounted for.

As for a confession, however unsatisfactory,  it might be the only option forthcoming
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:50:08 AM
I can't speak for them, but from what is reported there doesn't appear to be the same belligerent insistence that they believe she could still be alive. I agree with the rest of your post. It doesn't satisfy me either. Absolute proof isn't easy in many cases unfortunately, though.

Just how belligerent does anyone want The McCanns to be?

No, It's not going to be easy.  Probably years of Jurisdiction Issues.  And I very much doubt he will ever admit it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 06, 2020, 09:51:29 AM
I've no idea where she dug that one up.

I let my guard down and foolishly went with what I read in a tabloid.  8(8-))
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:51:44 AM
I would think that everyone would be disappointed.

It was a hope of mine.

Not everyone, sadly.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 09:52:24 AM
Just how belligerent does anyone want The McCanns to be?

No, It's not going to be easy.  Probably years of Jurisdiction Issues.  And I very much doubt he will ever admit it.

Well maybe, just maybe, he didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:53:12 AM
Were they ? The way this heading (in the media at least), this guy is being portrayed as a serial killer with at least one other body unaccounted for.

As for a confession, however unsatisfactory,  it might be the only option forthcoming

There is No Proof that he has killed anyone.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 09:55:29 AM
There is No Proof that he has killed anyone.

I quite agree, though some might be forthcoming in time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 09:55:55 AM
Well maybe, just maybe, he didn't do it.

This is still an option.

When it comes to Innocent Until Proven Guilty my money goes where my mouth is.  Does yours?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 06, 2020, 09:57:37 AM
Another picture of Christian Brückner/Brueckner.

His hair looks darker on that photo.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 09:59:32 AM
I can't speak for them, but from what is reported there doesn't appear to be the same belligerent insistence that they believe she could still be alive. I agree with the rest of your post. It doesn't satisfy me either. Absolute proof isn't easy in many cases unfortunately, though.

I would not have used 'belligerent' insistence to describe the fight Kate and Gerry have had to have Madeleine's disappearance properly investigated by the police.

belligerent
adjective
hostile and aggressive.
"the mood at the meeting was belligerent"

The hostility and aggression was directed against them sometimes even on this forum.

In the main the information circulating regarding this horror Christian Brueckner, has left me feeling incredibly deflated and I do not know any of the victims involved.
The hell that Kate and Gerry and all Madeleine's family are going through must be indescribable ~ and at the moment the words you have chosen are in my opinion inappropriate. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 10:01:48 AM
Were they ? The way this heading (in the media at least), this guy is being portrayed as a serial killer with at least one other body unaccounted for.

As for a confession, however unsatisfactory,  it might be the only option forthcoming

Then I think we will whistle for it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 10:02:57 AM
This is still an option.

When it comes to Innocent Until Proven Guilty my money goes where my mouth is.  Does yours?

Not  entirely certain, but it would be nice to get to get to the position where it can be tested.

Problem is that many guilty people are never convicted due to witness intimidation  or technical legal issues.

Miscarriages of justice happen both ways.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 10:03:03 AM
I let my guard down and foolishly went with what I read in a tabloid.  8(8-))
Do you have a cite?  You also claimed there was a Sky news report that th oolice were currently working on another, more sensitive theory - do you have a cite for that one as well while you’re at it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 10:04:33 AM
Then I think we will whistle for it.

I think so too, but it does depend on asking the right person in the first place.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 10:20:53 AM
Then I think we will whistle for it.

And then there is always Leonor Cipriano.  Although I can only imagine what a Confession from Bruckner will elicit.

That might be interesting.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 10:23:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_TqenSB8Q0

This is new to me.. MWT said the suspect talked in the bar how he disposed of the body.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 10:31:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_TqenSB8Q0

This is new to me.. MWT said the suspect talked in the bar how he disposed of the body.

I believe it's known as hearsay.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 10:35:24 AM
I see the media are going completely over the top. Afaik Bruceckner lived 30km from PdL, so saying the American lived half a mile from there means she didn't live in PdL.

Christian Brueckner, in jail for raping a 72-year-old woman in Praia da Luz, Portugal, is a key suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, who vanished in May 2007...

Brueckner raped, beat and robbed the American woman at her flat, which was about half a mile from the house he was living in at the time, the court heard.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-climbed-through-22144222
Perhaps he was living at the farmhouse at the time?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 10:37:41 AM
Perhaps he was living at the farmhouse at the time?
G-Unit’s post is wrong in several details.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 06, 2020, 10:42:52 AM
And then there is always Leonor Cipriano.  Although I can only imagine what a Confession from Bruckner will elicit.

That might be interesting.

The PJ cannot possibly look at his possible involvement in the cipriano case... It would have to admit so much failing in the Portuguese system..
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 10:57:34 AM
The PJ cannot possibly look at his possible involvement in the cipriano case... It would have to admit so much failing in the Portuguese system..

Get it right D -  the failing started the second mccs left the apartment 

Seems the failings have carried on by ALL who was supposed to be looking for her
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 10:59:24 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-investigating-suspect-over-third-missing-child-12001457

It would appear that German authorities failed to act on a tip off about Brueckner seven years ago. The information came  to the German authorities attention after a Crimewatch style appeal by OG on German TV.

If the information was as the result an appeal by OG surely OG were also aware of Brueckner’s possible connection to the case in 2013 ?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 11:12:20 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-investigating-suspect-over-third-missing-child-12001457

It would appear that German authorities failed to act on a tip off about Brueckner seven years ago. The information came  to the German authorities attention after a Crimewatch style appeal by OG on German TV.

If the information was as the result an appeal by OG surely OG were also aware of Brueckner’s possible connection to the case in 2013 ?

They did nothing when he was pointed at. Then again, 3 years ago they received a tip after the bar chat. OK, they might have been looking at him closely just to make sure. 3 years is an awful lot of time.  I think they have been doing their puzzle and now close to solving it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 11:16:45 AM
Strange that some sceptics here are criticising the British and German police for their failings without also extending that criticism to the PT police.  Also, is this criticism a tacit acceptance that the McCanns didn't hide their child's body or is there still a belief that the police of three countries are conspiring together to protect the McCanns whilst at the same time drawing attention to their own failings? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 11:26:44 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394293/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspects-parents-revealed.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 11:34:38 AM
They did nothing when he was pointed at. Then again, 3 years ago they received a tip after the bar chat. OK, they might have been looking at him closely just to make sure. 3 years is an awful lot of time.  I think they have been doing their puzzle and now close to solving it.

I believe this man’s name was included in the file of 600 known paedophiles passed to OG in 2012 by the PJ. His name was flagged up again in 2013 as a result of a Crimewatch style appeal organised by OG and again in 2017 yet still no action was taken. If he did kill the little girl Inga in Germany then part of the blame for her death must be apportioned to all three police forces. The clues were there, they were simply not acted upon.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 11:38:22 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394293/Madeleine-McCann-prime-suspects-parents-revealed.html

DM certainly milking this for all it's worth
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 06, 2020, 11:39:22 AM
Get it right D -  the failing started the second mccs left the apartment 

Seems the failings have carried on by ALL who was supposed to be looking for her

Im glad to see that you are now recognising its not just the parents who failed Maddie but thr PJ as well
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 11:50:35 AM
The PJ cannot possibly look at his possible involvement in the cipriano case... It would have to admit so much failing in the Portuguese system..

I agree.  They won't do it voluntarily, although it could prove a bit uncomfortable should Brueckner actually confess. An unlikely event I think but stranger things have happened.

But were I the parent who has spent a good part of my life banged up in jail I would be following developments closely and checking out the best lawyers to engage on a no win no fee basis should the situation arise ... I don't think there would be any shortage of takers.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 11:57:15 AM
Im glad to see that you are now recognising its not just the parents who failed Maddie but thr PJ as well
 

I think the PJ could have been more focused in their approach. Letting witnesses collaborate on their statements and  letting witnesses sit in the room and be physically touching while another witness was giving their statement is never good practice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 11:57:42 AM
https://www.en24.news/2020/06/did-christian-brueckner-the-german-who-became-the-prime-suspect-in-the-disappearance-of-maddie-mccann-also-cause-a-victim-in-belgium.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 12:02:13 PM
It's becoming a positive feeding frenzy  @)(++(*
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 06, 2020, 12:03:42 PM
 

I think the PJ could have been more focused in their approach. Letting witnesses collaborate on their statements and  letting witnesses sit in the room and be physically touching while another witness was giving their statement is never good practice.

thers lots more that was very poor practice
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 12:07:46 PM
https://www.en24.news/2020/06/did-christian-brueckner-the-german-who-became-the-prime-suspect-in-the-disappearance-of-maddie-mccann-also-cause-a-victim-in-belgium.html

He is coming over to me as a more sophisticated Robert Black https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Black_(serial_killer) and he was only apprehended on his return journey from kidnapping a little girl by her father and witness to her abduction.  Thankfully she survived.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 12:09:18 PM
It's becoming a positive feeding frenzy  @)(++(*

   ... and you appear to have had your knife and fork at the ready to participate in it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 12:10:42 PM
   ... and you appear to have had your knife and fork at the ready to participate in it.

Well why not - every one else is ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 12:11:29 PM
   ... and you appear to have had your knife and fork at the ready to participate in it.

Whereas you prefer a ladle.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 06, 2020, 12:12:35 PM
Do you think he might be responsible for the missing Beaumont children in Australia 1966?   *%87

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 12:13:25 PM
Im glad to see that you are now recognising its not just the parents who failed Maddie but thr PJ as well

Yes they should never have taken GA off the case - it all went downhill after that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 06, 2020, 12:41:30 PM
Yes they should never have taken GA off the case - it all went downhill after that

in your opinion....remember
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 12:42:52 PM
The PJ cannot possibly look at his possible involvement in the cipriano case... It would have to admit so much failing in the Portuguese system..

Correct.  But I was talking about any possible Confession from Bruckner.  The Sceptics would have him being beaten into it while Leonor gave her confession willingly.  Just basic hypocrisy.  This was bound to happen.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 12:48:08 PM
It's becoming a positive feeding frenzy  @)(++(*

Not in the least bit funny.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 12:48:40 PM
Do you think he might be responsible for the missing Beaumont children in Australia 1966?   *%87
What a cheap, stupid comment, if I may so.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 12:50:27 PM

I shall be Deleting any more Smart Alec Comments.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 12:52:41 PM
Not in the least bit funny.

Oh it is, watching everyone getting all excited over the  most trivial snippet of information and the latest speculation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 12:56:35 PM
It's becoming a positive feeding frenzy  @)(++(*

 8)--)) Spot on but the police cannot charge him with anything in connection to Madeleine McCann. They need actual evidence first!

Smithman please come forward you are safe now, honestly pretty please 8(>((

Just remember I know that will never happen because I know who you are  ?>)()<
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 06, 2020, 12:59:20 PM
Oh it is, watching everyone getting all excited over the  most trivial snippet of information and the latest speculation.

i don's wee why you see it as exciting...I think it's a very interesting development...a burglar with a history of child abuse in Luz that night...who apparrently has claimed he knows what happened to maddie and three police forces taking it very seriously
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 12:59:46 PM
After all this flury of information, I think it would be somewhat ironic if German police could prove his involvement in the disappearance of the German girl, but find no evidence to link him to Madeleine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 06, 2020, 01:03:14 PM
After all this flury of information, I think it would be somewhat ironic if German police could prove his involvement in the disappearance of the German girl, but find no evidence to link him to Madeleine.

the evidence to link him to maddie may well have been sent to the laundry by the portuguese...they are a laughing stock imo
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 01:04:43 PM
Correct.  But I was talking about any possible Confession from Bruckner.  The Sceptics would have him being beaten into it while Leonor gave her confession willingly.  Just basic hypocrisy.  This was bound to happen.

I suspected it might happen but I must admit I am astounded that it did with such virulence.

For starters at the moment it is a German investigation of which Madeleine McCann is a part. 

Along with quite a few others I would prefer it was not so given the nature and crimes attributed to Bruckner and until we find out more I don't think we can be certain of anything.

In the meantime my thoughts are with Madeleine's family.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 01:05:25 PM
Oh it is, watching everyone getting all excited over the  most trivial snippet of information and the latest speculation.

And Sceptics changing the rules of morality to suit their own agenda.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 01:07:52 PM
And Sceptics changing the rules of morality to suit their own agenda.

If you say so  ?{)(**
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 01:21:15 PM
If you say so  ?{)(**

All's well that ends well.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 01:32:27 PM
Well it certainly brought you out from under your rock.

It was rather boring just lurking and reading for the last few weeks so fresh subject material is always welcome
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 01:36:16 PM
It was rather boring just lurking and reading for the last few weeks so fresh subject material is always welcome

Ah but, is he Innocent until Proven Guilty, unlike The McCanns?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 01:38:45 PM
Ah but, is he Innocent until Proven Guilty, unlike The McCanns?

Judging by his record, I doubt he can ever be described as  innocent
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 01:56:26 PM
Ah but, is he Innocent until Proven Guilty, unlike The McCanns?

People will always speculate....they are not tied to the rigours of judicial rules. The parents are still innocent until charged as is Brueckner, at least of this crime.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: G-Unit on June 06, 2020, 02:01:03 PM
Now would be a good moment for OG to tell the German police that they have had Madeleine McCann under surveillance and were just waiting for the right moment to rescue her, wouldn't it? It doesn't look like her bloodline and Morroco had any part to play in her disappearance either. It seems to me like there were a lot of wild theories around.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 02:02:26 PM
People will always speculate....they are not tied to the rigours of judicial rules. The parents are still innocent until charged as is Brueckner, at least of this crime.

Goodness me, we seem to be getting somewhere.  The McCanns are Innocent Until Proven Guilty.  Thank Christ for that at least.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 02:03:14 PM
It was rather boring just lurking and reading for the last few weeks so fresh subject material is always welcome
And yet you complain about the "feeding frenzy" - ever considered you might just be a little bit hypocritical?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 02:04:08 PM
And yet you complain about the "feeding frenzy" - ever considered you might just be a little bit hypocritical?

Why should I bother?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 02:04:57 PM
Now would be a good moment for OG to tell the German police that they have had Madeleine McCann under surveillance and were just waiting for the right moment to rescue her, wouldn't it? It doesn't look like her bloodline and Morroco had any part to play in her disappearance either. It seems to me like there were a lot of wild theories around.
Not least the one where the McCanns over-sedated her, she fell over the balcony and her father carried her dead body bold as brass through the streets of PdL. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 02:05:52 PM
Why should I bother?
Ah yes, I was forgetting - you don't really care about anything. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 02:08:51 PM
Ah yes, I was forgetting - you don't really care about anything.

I certainly don't bother about your childish little concerns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 06, 2020, 02:09:45 PM
Now would be a good moment for OG to tell the German police that they have had Madeleine McCann under surveillance and were just waiting for the right moment to rescue her, wouldn't it? It doesn't look like her bloodline and Morroco had any part to play in her disappearance either. It seems to me like there were a lot of wild theories around.


I think Amaral's was the wildest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 02:16:20 PM

I think Amaral's was the wildest.

Difficult to choose, though the bloodline one is pretty wacky
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 02:30:45 PM
Goodness me, we seem to be getting somewhere.  The McCanns are Innocent Until Proven Guilty.  Thank Christ for that at least.

In law...of course.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 06, 2020, 02:34:35 PM
In law...of course.

Is there anything else?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 02:47:35 PM
I certainly don't bother about your childish little concerns
You certainly always bother enough to reply to me, strange that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 02:48:39 PM
Strange that some sceptics here are criticising the British and German police for their failings without also extending that criticism to the PT police.  Also, is this criticism a tacit acceptance that the McCanns didn't hide their child's body or is there still a belief that the police of three countries are conspiring together to protect the McCanns whilst at the same time drawing attention to their own failings?

The PJ looked at him at the time as a matter of procedure it would seem.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406)

So how can they be criticised? We don't know why they dismissed him as a suspect but they did look into his possible involvement. How is it fair to say they dropped the ball when German Police and Met police seem to have known about him for 3 years now and still haven't found any solid evidence he was involved? It seems to me the German and UK police are at the same stage as the PJ were years ago despite knowing MORE about the suspect than they did.

"The Metropolitan Police said they were still treating the case as a missing person investigation, and that they had no “definitive evidence” indicating whether Madeleine is alive or dead.

“As the years go on, we are realistic about what we might be dealing with but there is always hope,” said Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy.

“We are asking the public for help to prove or disprove whether this man was involved in Madeleine’s disappearance.”

“We retain an open mind about his involvement and we will follow the evidence wherever it may take us.”'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html)

 
 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 02:59:04 PM
The PJ looked at him at the time as a matter of procedure it would seem.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406)

So how can they be criticised? We don't know why they dismissed him as a suspect but they did look into his possible involvement. How is it fair to say they dropped the ball when German Police and Met police seem to have known about him for 3 years now and still haven't found any solid evidence he was involved? It seems to me the German and UK police are at the same stage as the PJ were years ago despite knowing MORE about the suspect than they did.

"The Metropolitan Police said they were still treating the case as a missing person investigation, and that they had no “definitive evidence” indicating whether Madeleine is alive or dead.

“As the years go on, we are realistic about what we might be dealing with but there is always hope,” said Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy.

“We are asking the public for help to prove or disprove whether this man was involved in Madeleine’s disappearance.”

“We retain an open mind about his involvement and we will follow the evidence wherever it may take us.”'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html)

 
So you think it's fair to criticise the British and German police but not the Portuguese police for not thoroughly investigating him, nor for arresting and charging him for the vicious torture and rape of a woman in PdL either?  OK, be a PJ apologist, if it suits you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 03:12:05 PM
So you think it's fair to criticise the British and German police but not the Portuguese police for not thoroughly investigating him, nor for arresting and charging him for the vicious torture and rape of a woman in PdL either?  OK, be a PJ apologist, if it suits you.

I'm not an apologist, that seems rather rude. I am talking about the narrative in the UK press at the moment which seems to be German police = good, UK police = good. PJ = bad.  It is not actually based on the facts and is way too simplistic IMO. In Germany the police are getting criticism on how they handled things too. Why would the UK press put Germany and UK police in the good corner and PJ in the bad corner alone? It's just the UK media doing that.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/06/madeleine-mccann-german-police-ignored-warnings-over-suspect-christian-bruckner#maincontent (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/06/madeleine-mccann-german-police-ignored-warnings-over-suspect-christian-bruckner#maincontent)

"German media are focusing their attention on whether the federal police ignored warnings in 2013 from a local force that was on the trail of the Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner for a variety of crimes, including child abuse and drug dealing.

Investigators in Braunschweig who had been closely monitoring Brückner believed he should be viewed as a key suspect in the girl’s disappearance. But their alert was reportedly ignored by Germany’s Federal Criminal Office, the BKA, according to Der Spiegel, which has a team of 10 reporters working on the case.''

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 03:17:52 PM
Now would be a good moment for OG to tell the German police that they have had Madeleine McCann under surveillance and were just waiting for the right moment to rescue her, wouldn't it? It doesn't look like her bloodline and Morroco had any part to play in her disappearance either. It seems to me like there were a lot of wild theories around.

Wouldn't it be lovely if they were in the position to do just that but just think how disappointed some might be.

On the other hand we have no idea what might have happened to Madeleine or who is responsible.  But according to friends Christian Brueckner was involved in smuggling drugs into Portugal and who is to say he wasn't involved in smuggling a more valuable commodity than the usual proceeds of his burglaries, tourist passports ~ out.

What happened to the mantra of "keeping all options open" as Scotland Yard are doing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 03:20:56 PM
I'm not an apologist, that seems rather rude. I am talking about the narrative in the UK press at the moment which seems to be German police = good, UK police = good. PJ = bad.  It is not actually based on the facts and is way too simplistic IMO. In Germany the police are getting criticism too on how they handled things too. Why would the UK press put Germany and UK police in the good corner and PJ in the bad corner alone? It's just the UK media doing that.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/06/madeleine-mccann-german-police-ignored-warnings-over-suspect-christian-bruckner#maincontent (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/06/madeleine-mccann-german-police-ignored-warnings-over-suspect-christian-bruckner#maincontent)

"German media are focusing their attention on whether the federal police ignored warnings in 2013 from a local force that was on the trail of the Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner for a variety of crimes, including child abuse and drug dealing.

Investigators in Braunschweig who had been closely monitoring Brückner believed he should be viewed as a key suspect in the girl’s disappearance. But their alert was reportedly ignored by Germany’s Federal Criminal Office, the BKA, according to Der Spiegel, which has a team of 10 reporters working on the case.''
I posted an article from the UK press yesterday which raised questions about Operation Grange;s handling of the case also, so I think you may be mistaken.  But consider - if the PJ had done their job properly in the first place there would have been no need for Operation Grange and no need for the German police's involvement either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 03:37:10 PM
I posted an article from the UK press yesterday which raised questions about Operation Grange;s handling of the case also, so I think you may be mistaken.  But consider - if the PJ had done their job properly in the first place there would have been no need for Operation Grange and no need for the German police's involvement either.

Shouldn't that have an 'in your opinion' with it? The PJ could only ever work with the evidence they had IMO. Bruckner was exposed as the rapist of the 72 year old woman after a Portuguese cold case team linked the testimony of two friends who stole a video camera from him with the rape on it. Those friends inadvertently removed the key evidence, you can't blame the Police when that happens. Sometimes evidence comes to light years later or why else would there be appeals such as the German one?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 03:41:09 PM
So you think it's fair to criticise the British and German police but not the Portuguese police for not thoroughly investigating him, nor for arresting and charging him for the vicious torture and rape of a woman in PdL either?  OK, be a PJ apologist, if it suits you.

SY spent 12 million then doing what - they should have thoroughly investigated him 3 year ago doncha think

your post seems to be apologist for that,
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 03:46:51 PM
Shouldn't that have an 'in your opinion' with it? The PJ could only ever work with the evidence they had IMO. Bruckner was exposed as the rapist of the 72 year old woman after a Portuguese cold case team linked the testimony of two friends who stole a video camera from him with the rape on it. Those friends inadvertently removed the key evidence, you can't blame the Police when that happens. Sometimes evidence comes to light years later or why else would there be appeals such as the German one?
No it's a statement of fact.  If the PJ had done their job properly and found out who took Madeleine and brought charges in the initial investigation that resulted in a conviction then there would have been no need for Op Grange or German police involvement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 03:48:32 PM
SY spent 12 million then doing what - they should have thoroughly investigated him 3 year ago doncha think

your post seems to be apologist for that,
Then you have completely misinterpreted my post.  Perhaps you should re-read it and point to the bit where I declare Op Grange to be above criticism?  I look forward to your response.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 03:50:56 PM
I posted an article from the UK press yesterday which raised questions about Operation Grange;s handling of the case also, so I think you may be mistaken.  But consider - if the PJ had done their job properly in the first place there would have been no need for Operation Grange and no need for the German police's involvement either.

If the mccs had done there job properly Maddie would be here today.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 03:54:10 PM
No it's a statement of fact.  If the PJ had done their job properly and found out who took Madeleine and brought charges in the initial investigation that resulted in a conviction then there would have been no need for Op Grange or German police involvement.

 I respectfully disagree. There are many cases the world over that are only solved years later when for instance DNA advances are made or someone gives more information, ergo that key evidence was not available to the original investigators.

 I agree the PJ investigation was not perfect but that doesn't mean it's the only reason the crime hasn't been solved.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 03:54:21 PM
If the mccs had done there job properly Maddie would be here today.
Ah - the argument of last resort.  When backed into a corner lash out at the McCanns.  Nice.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 03:56:03 PM
I respectfully disagree. There are many cases the world over that are only solved years later when for instance DNA advances are made or someone gives more information, ergo that key evidence was not available to the original investigators.

 I agree the PJ investigation was not perfect but that doesn't mean it's the only reason the crime hasn't been solved.
"Not perfect" - understatement of the day.  IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 04:13:55 PM
"Not perfect" - understatement of the day.  IMO.

At least as you say it's your opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 06, 2020, 04:20:14 PM
I wonder at what stage Bruekner's DNA profile was placed on the German data base, which subsequently led to the Portuguese being able to link him with the 2005 rape in Luz?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 04:29:24 PM
Neither do you.

The mccs left children on there own - that's the truth

You just don't like me saying it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 04:31:25 PM
 From the Independent - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html

The Metropolitan Police admitted that Brueckner had been among 600 people previously considered potentially significant in the McCann inquiry.

But investigators said he was not considered a suspect until new information was received in response to an appeal made on the 10th anniversary of her disappearance in 2017.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 04:32:23 PM
I wonder at what stage Bruekner's DNA profile was placed on the German data base, which subsequently led to the Portuguese being able to link him with the 2005 rape in Luz?
It wasn't his DNA that linked him to the rape, not initially anyway

"Christian B was reportedly linked to the case after an acquaintance stole a camera from his home but later found footage on it showing him carrying out the attack"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 04:33:00 PM
I wonder at what stage Bruekner's DNA profile was placed on the German data base, which subsequently led to the Portuguese being able to link him with the 2005 rape in Luz?

What linked him apparently was the two friends stealing a video camera and viewing the rape which was recorded on it. They told police it was Bruckner.

"....The case had remained unsolved until a Portuguese police cold case team linked the rape to the testimony of the two acquaintances who had stolen the video camera. The alleged video was not shown in court and is not thought to be in police possession.....

He would have got away with the heinous crime but witnesses, two friends of Brückner, came forward many years later to testify against him.

They had stolen his video camera and found on it, according to a subsequent court case, recordings of at least two rapes. One showed the older woman being attacked and the other a young victim raped in his farmhouse. ''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/06/german-madeleine-mccann-suspect-everything-know/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/06/german-madeleine-mccann-suspect-everything-know/)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 06, 2020, 04:48:41 PM
It wasn't his DNA that linked him to the rape, not initially anyway

"Christian B was reportedly linked to the case after an acquaintance stole a camera from his home but later found footage on it showing him carrying out the attack"

I realise that; but there was a crime scene in Luz 2005 which yielded some unidentified hairs, subsequently used to convict CB in Germany. Did Germany not have his DNA on their database in 2005, 2007, 2010, 2013 or 2015 based on his conviction history?
The American victim survived & presumably was able to provide the police with certain eye-witness evidence...and her home was less than 10 mins walk from the scene of another potentially serious crime 2 years later. I can't help wondering why, if Luz was such a safe place, PJ weren't chomping at the bit to acquire DNA of local foreign sex offenders, especially one reportedly seen near 5A by 2 separate witnesses.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 04:55:57 PM
I realise that; but there was a crime scene in Luz 2005 which yielded some unidentified hairs, subsequently used to convict CB in Germany. Did Germany not have his DNA on their database in 2005, 2007, 2010, 2013 or 2015 based on his conviction history?
The American victim survived & presumably was able to provide the police with certain eye-witness evidence...and her home was less than 10 mins walk from the scene of another potentially serious crime 2 years later. I can't help wondering why, if Luz was such a safe place, PJ weren't chomping at the bit to acquire DNA of local foreign sex offenders, especially one reportedly seen near 5A by 2 separate witnesses.
Apparently the Portuguese didn't "do" DNA back in the dark ages of the 2000s.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 04:59:05 PM
From the Independent - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html

The Metropolitan Police admitted that Brueckner had been among 600 people previously considered potentially significant in the McCann inquiry.

But investigators said he was not considered a suspect until new information was received in response to an appeal made on the 10th anniversary of her disappearance in 2017.

Much like the PJ’s handling of him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 05:09:34 PM
Much like the PJ’s handling of him.

There must surely be a degree of embarrassment in Grange - there he was, a prime suspect par excellence - and they missed him

Bet there was a flurry of a*se covering the day that was discovered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 05:16:00 PM
There must surely be a degree of embarrassment in Grange - there he was, a prime suspect par excellence - and they missed him

Bet there was a flurry of a*se covering the day that was discovered.
Was a time when people on this forum believed Operation Grange was deliberately being prolonged indefinitely so as to cover the embarrassment of them not having a clue about anything.  Makes you wonder why they’ve agreed to go along with this new line of enquiry if the whole investigation was a face-saving one designed to protect not only the McCanns but themselves.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 05:21:34 PM
Madeleine McCann suspect linked to murder of girl, 16, whose body was found chopped up on beach
Brittany Vonow6 Jun 2020,
THE prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann could be linked to the murder of a 16-year-old German girl whose body was found chopped up on a Belgian beach.

Carola Titze had reportedly been in contact with a German man days before she disappeared while on holiday in De Haan in 1996.

⚠️ Click here for the latest news on Madeleine McCann

 Carola Titze was just 16-years-old when her mutilated body was found on the beach in 1996
7
Carola Titze was just 16-years-old when her mutilated body was found on the beach in 1996Credit: nordphoto
 Christian B has been named as a prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
7
Christian B has been named as a prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCannCredit: Bild
Tragically, her body was found badly mutilated in sand dunes just days later.

And local Belgian media VTM News today reported that prosecutors are now examining whether Christian B can be considered a suspect in the case.

Christian, who is now 43, would have been about 19 at the time of Carola's disappearance.

The young woman had reportedly been seen at a local disco with a German man before her death.

And despite police constructing a potential image of the suspect, no one was ever arrested.

Christian has this week been named as a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

And Christian, who is currently in jail for the rape of an American tourist, has now been linked to two other disappearances of children.

German detectives investigating Christian B have contacted the family of René Hasee to say they were looking into his 1996 abduction again.

Youngster René, from Elsdorf, Germany, vanished on June 21, 1996 while on holiday with his family in Aljezur - just 25 miles from Praia da Luz, in the Algarve.

He ran ahead during a family walk on the beach to go in the sea. After losing sight of him they never saw him again and were left with just his clothes lying on the beach.

 Belgium police had previously released a drawing of a possible suspect in Carola's murder
7
Belgium police had previously released a drawing of a possible suspect in Carola's murderCredit: nordphoto
 René Hasee vanished on June 21, 1996 while on holiday with his family in Aljezur
7
René Hasee vanished on June 21, 1996 while on holiday with his family in Aljezur
 Police are also probing the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, who vanished in 2015
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Police are also probing the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, who vanished in 2015Credit: PA:Press Association
Detectives believe the suspect was regularly living in the Algarve from 1995. He was already convicted of sex offences against children and would have been 19 at the time René disappeared.

Christian B is also being re-investigated over the disappearance of a girl dubbed the 'German Maddie'.

Christian B was reported to be in the same area as five-year-old German girl Inga Gehricke when she vanished in May 2015.

The little girl had been enjoying a family BBQ in woodland in the state of Saxony-Anhalt, around 50 miles from Berlin, when she vanished without a trace in chilling echoes of Madeleine's disappearance.

Portuguese police have since insisted they didn't discount Christian as a suspect in the case of missing Madeleine.

The British toddler was just three-years-old when she vanished in Portugal while on holidays with her family in 2007.

Christian B is currently serving a seven-year prison sentence for raping an American woman, 72, in Portugal.

We are now able to show his picture in full in the UK after it was published in a major German newspaper - as cops in both countries appeal for anyone who knows him to come forward.

The suspect, who we cannot legally name in full, was first thrust into the frame in 2017 after allegedly confessing to abducting Madeleine in a bar.

He was reportedly chatting to the friend in Germany when a TV report came on about the tenth anniversary of the girl's disappearance and he suggested he knew what had happened to her.



German sources claim he boasted he had "snatched her" but didn’t say he had killed her.

Christian B was first thrust into the frame in connection with Madeleine's disappearance in 2017 after allegedly confessing to abducting the girl while in a bar with a pal in Germany.

He was reportedly chatting to the friend when a TV report came on about the tenth anniversary of the girl's disappearance and he suggested he knew what had happened to her.

German sources claim he boasted he had "snatched her" but didn’t say he had killed her.

Prosecutors in Germany are investigating Christian B "on suspicion of murder" and believe Madeleine is dead and know how she was killed - despite no body being found.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 06, 2020, 06:00:51 PM
"Prosecutors in Germany are investigating Christian B "on suspicion of murder" and believe Madeleine is dead and know how she was killed - despite no body being found."


Let me get this straight.

They know how she was killed, but they're not certain she is dead.

Remarkable!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 06:04:04 PM
"Prosecutors in Germany are investigating Christian B "on suspicion of murder" and believe Madeleine is dead and know how she was killed - despite no body being found."


Let me get this straight.

They know how she was killed, but they're not certain she is dead.

Remarkable!

The way I read that is that Germans are absolutely positive she is dead,and suspect someone killed her


Meanwhile Grange refuse to accept she is dead because that wasn't in their remit and might upset the McCanns
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 06:08:39 PM
"Prosecutors in Germany are investigating Christian B "on suspicion of murder" and believe Madeleine is dead and know how she was killed - despite no body being found."


Let me get this straight.

They know how she was killed, but they're not certain she is dead.

Remarkable!
You haven’t got it straight. Try re-reading it with your brain in gear this time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 06, 2020, 06:12:05 PM
You haven’t got it straight. Try re-reading it with your brain in gear this time.

Thanks, I just re-read it & It say's exactly the same thing as when I read it the first time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 06:12:49 PM
Thanks, I just re-read it & It say's exactly the same thing as when I read it the first time.
Then you failed to engage your brain.  Never mind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 06:14:12 PM
The way I read that is that Germans are absolutely positive she is dead,and suspect someone killed her


Meanwhile Grange refuse to accept she is dead because that wasn't in their remit and might upset the McCanns

Scotland Yard are following the evidence.

What evidence do you think there is that Madeleine is dead?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 06:15:27 PM
Scotland Yard are following the evidence.

What evidence do you think there is that Madeleine is dead?

No idea but the Germans seem pretty clear about it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 06:21:15 PM
Scotland Yard are following the evidence.

What evidence do you think there is that Madeleine is dead?

What evidence do you think there is that Madeleine is dead?

Well if like you think CB is involved - Do you think maybe Maddie living a life of luxury.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 06, 2020, 06:23:20 PM
Scotland Yard are following the evidence.

What evidence do you think there is that Madeleine is dead?

We've been through this before, there is plenty of evidence that Maddie is dead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 06:23:41 PM
Madeleine McCann suspect linked to murder of girl, 16, whose body was found chopped up on beach
Brittany Vonow6 Jun 2020,
THE prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann could be linked to the murder of a 16-year-old German girl whose body was found chopped up on a Belgian beach.

Carola Titze had reportedly been in contact with a German man days before she disappeared while on holiday in De Haan in 1996.

⚠️ Click here for the latest news on Madeleine McCann

 Carola Titze was just 16-years-old when her mutilated body was found on the beach in 1996
7
Carola Titze was just 16-years-old when her mutilated body was found on the beach in 1996Credit: nordphoto
 Christian B has been named as a prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
7
Christian B has been named as a prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCannCredit: Bild
Tragically, her body was found badly mutilated in sand dunes just days later.

And local Belgian media VTM News today reported that prosecutors are now examining whether Christian B can be considered a suspect in the case.

Christian, who is now 43, would have been about 19 at the time of Carola's disappearance.

The young woman had reportedly been seen at a local disco with a German man before her death.

And despite police constructing a potential image of the suspect, no one was ever arrested.

Christian has this week been named as a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

And Christian, who is currently in jail for the rape of an American tourist, has now been linked to two other disappearances of children.

German detectives investigating Christian B have contacted the family of René Hasee to say they were looking into his 1996 abduction again.

Youngster René, from Elsdorf, Germany, vanished on June 21, 1996 while on holiday with his family in Aljezur - just 25 miles from Praia da Luz, in the Algarve.

He ran ahead during a family walk on the beach to go in the sea. After losing sight of him they never saw him again and were left with just his clothes lying on the beach.

 Belgium police had previously released a drawing of a possible suspect in Carola's murder
7
Belgium police had previously released a drawing of a possible suspect in Carola's murderCredit: nordphoto
 René Hasee vanished on June 21, 1996 while on holiday with his family in Aljezur
7
René Hasee vanished on June 21, 1996 while on holiday with his family in Aljezur
 Police are also probing the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, who vanished in 2015
7
Police are also probing the disappearance of Inga Gehricke, who vanished in 2015Credit: PA:Press Association
Detectives believe the suspect was regularly living in the Algarve from 1995. He was already convicted of sex offences against children and would have been 19 at the time René disappeared.

Christian B is also being re-investigated over the disappearance of a girl dubbed the 'German Maddie'.

Christian B was reported to be in the same area as five-year-old German girl Inga Gehricke when she vanished in May 2015.

The little girl had been enjoying a family BBQ in woodland in the state of Saxony-Anhalt, around 50 miles from Berlin, when she vanished without a trace in chilling echoes of Madeleine's disappearance.

Portuguese police have since insisted they didn't discount Christian as a suspect in the case of missing Madeleine.

The British toddler was just three-years-old when she vanished in Portugal while on holidays with her family in 2007.

Christian B is currently serving a seven-year prison sentence for raping an American woman, 72, in Portugal.

We are now able to show his picture in full in the UK after it was published in a major German newspaper - as cops in both countries appeal for anyone who knows him to come forward.

The suspect, who we cannot legally name in full, was first thrust into the frame in 2017 after allegedly confessing to abducting Madeleine in a bar.

He was reportedly chatting to the friend in Germany when a TV report came on about the tenth anniversary of the girl's disappearance and he suggested he knew what had happened to her.



German sources claim he boasted he had "snatched her" but didn’t say he had killed her.

Christian B was first thrust into the frame in connection with Madeleine's disappearance in 2017 after allegedly confessing to abducting the girl while in a bar with a pal in Germany.

He was reportedly chatting to the friend when a TV report came on about the tenth anniversary of the girl's disappearance and he suggested he knew what had happened to her.

German sources claim he boasted he had "snatched her" but didn’t say he had killed her.

Prosecutors in Germany are investigating Christian B "on suspicion of murder" and believe Madeleine is dead and know how she was killed - despite no body being found.

Well if that the case to me they seem to be clearing the book - like TIC
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 06:24:05 PM
I realise that; but there was a crime scene in Luz 2005 which yielded some unidentified hairs, subsequently used to convict CB in Germany. Did Germany not have his DNA on their database in 2005, 2007, 2010, 2013 or 2015 based on his conviction history?
The American victim survived & presumably was able to provide the police with certain eye-witness evidence...and her home was less than 10 mins walk from the scene of another potentially serious crime 2 years later. I can't help wondering why, if Luz was such a safe place, PJ weren't chomping at the bit to acquire DNA of local foreign sex offenders, especially one reportedly seen near 5A by 2 separate witnesses.
Germany. Germany set up its DNA database for the German Federal Police (BKA) in 1998.

DNA database - Wikipedia
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 06:47:56 PM
I realise that; but there was a crime scene in Luz 2005 which yielded some unidentified hairs, subsequently used to convict CB in Germany. Did Germany not have his DNA on their database in 2005, 2007, 2010, 2013 or 2015 based on his conviction history?
The American victim survived & presumably was able to provide the police with certain eye-witness evidence...and her home was less than 10 mins walk from the scene of another potentially serious crime 2 years later. I can't help wondering why, if Luz was such a safe place, PJ weren't chomping at the bit to acquire DNA of local foreign sex offenders, especially one reportedly seen near 5A by 2 separate witnesses.

  Could they request DNA from other countries just because someone had a criminal record?  Is being in the area enough justification to get it?
We have no idea why PJ dismissed Bruckner as a suspect in 2007. For all we know he could have had an alibi that put him somewhere else. We can't judge the PJ as incompetent in the matter unless we know why they let him go as a suspect...even then he may turn out not to be responsible and the Germans may have to drop him too. The German police seem to be trying to pin down his movements by asking if people saw the van he was living in and they also ( after 3 years)  said they are 'open minded' about his involvement.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 06:49:17 PM
What evidence do you think there is that Madeleine is dead?

Well if like you think CB is involved - Do you think maybe Maddie living a life of luxury.

I have seen a few reports that suggest Brueckner may have had a change of fortune in 2007 and in his conversation with his friend he never said he had Killed Madeleine ... only that he knew what had happened.

Snip
'It was conspicuous that he had boasted about a sudden financial windfall after he returned from Portugal in 2007. Friends remember him telling them that he had found cash in a pile of clothes, large sums of money, after breaking into a home in the Algarve.

'In addition to a mobile home, he also used the money to buy a derelict factory property in the state of Saxony-Anhalt.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394183/Christian-Brueckner-flagged-key-Madeleine-McCann-kidnap-murder-suspect-SEVEN-YEARS-ago.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 06:55:29 PM
  Could they request DNA from other countries just because someone had a criminal record?  Is being in the area enough justification to get it?
We have no idea why PJ dismissed Bruckner as a suspect in 2007. For all we know he could have had an alibi that put him somewhere else. We can't judge the PJ as incompetent in the matter unless we know why they let him go as a suspect...even then he may turn out not to be responsible and the Germans may have to drop him too. The German police seem to be trying to pin down his movements by asking if people saw the van he was living in and they also ( after 3 years)  said they are 'open minded' about his involvement.

With any luck the recent appeal may turn up exactly the information required to progress the inquiry.  We shall just have to be patient and content ourselves until the police have analysed everything they've got.
Whether or or not they share it with us is entirely up to them, but I rather doubt it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 07:04:29 PM
Scotland Yard are following the evidence.

What evidence do you think there is that Madeleine is dead?

Just yesterday you posted that the Germans had their finger on the pulse....and they think she’s dead.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 07:06:25 PM
Just yesterday you posted that the Germans had their finger on the pulse....and they think she’s dead.

In which case there wouldn't be a pulse.  Boom Boom.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 06, 2020, 07:13:01 PM
With any luck the recent appeal may turn up exactly the information required to progress the inquiry.  We shall just have to be patient and content ourselves until the police have analysed everything they've got.
Whether or or not they share it with us is entirely up to them, but I rather doubt it.


But now on Sky we have a very somber  Brunt explaining that the BKA have had this information since 2013,
 
Grange since 2012, but he omits to mention that the PJ had it in 2007,
 

and at least by  8th May because that is when they showed a PHOTO (not a photo-fit) of Bückner to at least one of the witnesses.

So it took Grange 5 years to get the information, and then to do nothing, 

it took the BKA 6 years to get the information, and to do nothing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 07:13:18 PM
With any luck the recent appeal may turn up exactly the information required to progress the inquiry.  We shall just have to be patient and content ourselves until the police have analysed everything they've got.
Whether or or not they share it with us is entirely up to them, but I rather doubt it.

Yes hopefully they get more info from their appeal but seems a bit desperate to be basing it on luck 5 years ( edit - 7 years!) after discovering this guy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 07:15:43 PM

But now on Sky we have a very somber  Brunt explaining that the BKA have had this information since 2013,
 
Grange since 2012, but he omits to mention that the PJ had it in 2007,
 

and at least by  8th May because that is when they showed a PHOTO (not a photo-fit) of Bückner to at least one of the witnesses.

So it took Grange 5 years to get the information, and then to do nothing, 

it took the BKA 6 years to get the information, and to do nothing.
Well we know they found his cars, and have thoroughly investigated his phone his movements and his background so I wouldn’t say nothing exactly.  Did the Pj do any of this back in 2007?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 07:19:56 PM

But now on Sky we have a very somber  Brunt explaining that the BKA have had this information since 2013,
 
Grange since 2012, but he omits to mention that the PJ had it in 2007,
 

and at least by  8th May because that is when they showed a PHOTO (not a photo-fit) of Bückner to at least one of the witnesses.

So it took Grange 5 years to get the information, and then to do nothing,

it took the BKA 6 years to get the information, and to do nothing.


As Bruckner was one of the infamous 600, it would be fascinating to know which number on the list he was and when he was eliminated from the investigation.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 07:26:53 PM
Well we know they found his cars, and have thoroughly investigated his phone his movements and his background so I wouldn’t say nothing exactly.  Did the Pj do any of this back in 2007?

How can we know what the PJ did or didn't do when they have judicial secrecy?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 06, 2020, 07:30:19 PM
How can we know what the PJ did or didn't do when they have judicial secrecy?
I thought the files on this case were released to the public?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 07:37:57 PM
I thought the files on this case were released to the public?

With sex offenders omitted due to privacy laws. For example....

"missing pages - Information that sex offenders listed on pages 293 to 300 were investigated in minute detail and nothing was found relating to the case of the missing child, Madeleine. 2 November 2007.''


However I did find an article referring to Amaral saying the VW Van was examined in 2007 as I suppose he can say what he likes now?

"The now lead suspect in the Madeleine McCann case was looked at in 2007 and had his van forensically tested, but ruled out of the investigation, a journalist who has covered the case extensively says.''

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/madeleine-mccann-cases-lead-suspect-investigated-in-2007-before-being-let-go (https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/madeleine-mccann-cases-lead-suspect-investigated-in-2007-before-being-let-go)

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 07:42:38 PM
I don't see any details  from Grange regarding how they went about investigating their 600 persons of interest.

They must be even more secret than the Portuguese. Whoever would have thought that
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 07:45:10 PM
I don't see any details  from Grange regarding how they went about investigating their 600 persons of interest.

They must be even more secret than the Portuguese. Whoever would have thought that

I suppose it's because it's ongoing. Ongoing for a very, very long time.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 07:45:24 PM
Scotland Yard are following the evidence.

What evidence do you think there is that Madeleine is dead?
If Christian Brückner is involved in the disappearance of three children and none of their remains have been found, I think there is a possibility that they are alive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 07:47:23 PM
The eternal optimist.

I guess that's one way of looking at it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 07:50:18 PM
The eternal optimist.

I guess that's one way of looking at it.

And then there’s reality.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 07:52:35 PM
With sex offenders omitted due to privacy laws. For example....

"missing pages - Information that sex offenders listed on pages 293 to 300 were investigated in minute detail and nothing was found relating to the case of the missing child, Madeleine. 2 November 2007.''


However I did find an article referring to Amaral saying the VW Van was examined in 2007 as I suppose he can say what he likes now?

"The now lead suspect in the Madeleine McCann case was looked at in 2007 and had his van forensically tested, but ruled out of the investigation, a journalist who has covered the case extensively says.''

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/madeleine-mccann-cases-lead-suspect-investigated-in-2007-before-being-let-go (https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/madeleine-mccann-cases-lead-suspect-investigated-in-2007-before-being-let-go)

Do you think  the nanny lied as well?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406

EXCLUSIVE: Madeleine McCann's nanny was shown prime suspect Christian Brueckner's picture just five days after she went missing from her family's apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 07:54:33 PM
If Christian Brückner is involved in the disappearance of three children and none of their remains have been found, I think there is a possibility that they are alive.

As in he sold them to some child trafficking ring that ships off white children to Africa? Surely he'd have been more well off?

 If he was involved it seems his M.O. was sadistic torture and making videos of it. He was also fond of keeping the videos and sharing them for shock value, there doesn't seem to be a video of Madeliene.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 07:56:01 PM
The eternal optimist.

I guess that's one way of looking at it.
I’d rather be optimistic than cynical and derisive. The Ariel Castro/Cleveland case has reference.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 07:58:01 PM
Do you think  the nanny lied as well?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406

EXCLUSIVE: Madeleine McCann's nanny was shown prime suspect Christian Brueckner's picture just five days after she went missing from her family's apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal

I don't know, do you mean because they told her his name? I've no idea how the privacy laws would work when they were investigating someone. I doubt they told her 'he's a sex offender' so maybe they didn't break any privacy law?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 07:59:19 PM
Do you think  the nanny lied as well?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406

EXCLUSIVE: Madeleine McCann's nanny was shown prime suspect Christian Brueckner's picture just five days after she went missing from her family's apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal

When was that statement made?

If she was shown a photo of Bruckner 5 days after the event then PJ were very much on the ball IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 08:01:29 PM
When was that statement made?

If she was shown a photo of Bruckner 5 days after the event then PJ were very much on the ball IMO

Exactly, being procedural following up known offenders in the area.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 06, 2020, 08:02:22 PM
I’d rather be optimistic than cynical and derisive. The Ariel Castro/Cleveland case has reference.

This man’s in prison and has been for some time. Where is he keeping the three, under his prison bed ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:04:48 PM
I’d rather be optimistic than cynical and derisive. The Ariel Castro/Cleveland case has reference.

Optimism leads to disappointment more often than not. IMO
I prefer realism
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:08:00 PM
As in he sold them to some child trafficking ring that ships off white children to Africa? Surely he'd have been more well off?

 If he was involved it seems his M.O. was sadistic torture and making videos of it. He was also fond of keeping the videos and sharing them for shock value, there doesn't seem to be a video of Madeliene.
As in he sold them to some child trafficking ring that ships off white children to Africa?
Are you suggesting that the continent of Africa has no white people/children, except for the ones you are referring to as been ‘shipped off’?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 08:09:19 PM
I don't know, do you mean because they told her his name? I've no idea how the privacy laws would work when they were investigating someone. I doubt they told her 'he's a sex offender' so maybe they didn't break any privacy law?

What are you questioning as Amaral predicted this German suspect a year ago? He said nothing was discovered to tie him to the case. The PJ showed his pic to witnesses to see if they recall seeing him. If one witness had seen him then of course they would follow it up!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:10:21 PM
This man’s in prison and has been for some time. Where is he keeping the three, under his prison bed ?

He committed suicide in prison.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:12:53 PM
This man’s in prison and has been for some time. Where is he keeping the three, under his prison bed ?

You obviously have no knowledge of the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:12:56 PM
What are you questioning as Amaral predicted this German suspect a year ago? He said nothing was discovered to tie him to the case. The PJ showed his pic to witnesses to see if they recall seeing him. If one witness had seen him then of course they would follow it up!

I'm guessing the nanny wasn't the only person shown the photo so it wouldn't be a case of just one person not seeing him.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:14:07 PM
He committed suicide in prison.

Who did ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 08:14:57 PM
As in he sold them to some child trafficking ring that ships off white children to Africa?
Are you suggesting that the continent of Africa has no white people/children, except for the ones you are referring to as been ‘shipped off’?

No. It's what some child trafficking theorists think happens and is obviously quite ridiculous.

And all I can say is 'blimey' re. your suicide comment!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:16:20 PM
The eternal optimist.

I guess that's one way of looking at it.

Christian Brückner has no record, at this time, of murder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 08:17:33 PM
What are you questioning as Amaral predicted this German suspect a year ago? He said nothing was discovered to tie him to the case. The PJ showed his pic to witnesses to see if they recall seeing him. If one witness had seen him then of course they would follow it up!

I'm confused. Amaral has said they looked into the suspect. I've never questioned him knowing about him or following it up. I was questioning how we the public would know exactly what was uncovered as it's not in the files.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:17:48 PM
Who did ?
Ariel Castro.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:18:46 PM
Ariel Castro.
 

I'm sorry,what's he got to do with Bruckner ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 08:21:28 PM
I'm guessing the nanny wasn't the only person shown the photo so it wouldn't be a case of just one person not seeing him.

Agreed because you would want to rule known offenders in or out straight away. Nanny's are the obvious witnesses to ask if there are pedo's about.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:22:14 PM
No. It's what some child trafficking theorists think happens and is obviously quite ridiculous.

And all I can say is 'blimey' re. your suicide comment!

Best you Google ‘Ariel Castro’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:24:15 PM
 

I'm sorry,what's he got to do with Bruckner ?
Nothing. Just a case where he abducted three women who were found alive.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 08:25:33 PM
Surely he'd have been more well off?

When he actually came back from Portugal in 2007 he was WELL OFF. The first thing that came to my mind after reading it is that he probably sold Madeleine. Just my thinking!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:25:39 PM
So you're just trying to divert and confuse the issue?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:27:14 PM
So you're just trying to divert and confuse the issue?
Are you talking to me, Jassi?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:28:19 PM
When he actually came back from Portugal in 2007 he was WELL OFF. The first thing that came to my mind after reading it is that he probably sold Madeleine. Just my thinking!

But still driving an ancient camper van and living in some friend's poxy attic. Doesn't sound loaded to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:29:24 PM
Are you talking to me, Jassi?

Yes. That's what it sounds like to me.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 08:29:58 PM
When he actually came back from Portugal in 2007 he was WELL OFF. The first thing that came to my mind after reading it is that he probably sold Madeleine. Just my thinking!

One man's 'well off' is another mans not so well off. He reportedly bought a mobile home ( older ones depreciate in value greatly) and a derelict building, who knows how much that might have been worth. The poster I replied to inferred Bruckner may have sold more than one victim, so not much to show for that IMO.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 08:31:27 PM
Best you Google ‘Ariel Castro’.

I know about him. Totally different M.O. to someone taking a 4 year old from their bed and selling her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 08:33:04 PM
But still driving an ancient camper van and living in some friend's poxy attic. Doesn't sound loaded to me.

Mr Bischof said he soon realised Brueckner was using his roof to dry out marijuana that he was selling, saying: 'He was proud he had dreamed up a way to dry it in the roof because of the heat. He was selling it and making money."

A big time international drug dealer too!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:41:45 PM
I know about him. Totally different M.O. to someone taking a 4 year old from their bed and selling her.
Yes. My point is that in Castro’s case the three women were presumed dead but found alive. Why can this not be applied to Madeleine, Inge and Reneé?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 08:44:01 PM
Yes. That's what it sounds like to me.
Use the ‘quote’ option to avoid confusion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 08:46:44 PM
One man's 'well off' is another mans not so well off. He reportedly bought a mobile home ( older ones depreciate in value greatly) and a derelict building, who knows how much that might have been worth. The poster I replied to inferred Bruckner may have sold more than one victim, so not much to show for that IMO.

Well, if a drug user needs drugs he would sell valuable things for little money.
Today I was reading about his actual profile, he was described as a psychopath, narcissistic and manipulative. It was an interesting read, but at the same time, I was thinking about the times of Robert Murat when the press was making up stories about him so you never know if this is true. But if the German police think he is a suspect and that Madeleine is possibly dead then he is quite dangerous.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 08:50:21 PM
Well, if a drug user needs drugs he would sell valuable things for little money.
Today I was reading about his actual profile, he was described as a psychopath, narcissistic and manipulative. It was an interesting read, but at the same time, I was thinking about the times of Robert Murat when the press was making up stories about him so you never know if this is true. But if the German police think he is a suspect and that Madeleine is possibly dead then he is quite dangerous.

Now where have I heard that terminology used in this case before ?

I thought he was just a dealer, not a user - perhaps he was both.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 08:51:18 PM
Yes. My point is that in Castro’s case the three women were presumed dead but found alive. Why can this not be applied to Madeleine, Inge and Reneé?

Because what I said about M.O.  Offenders who target older women to keep in a basement are very different offenders than child abusers who take pre-pubescent children. It's all a bit off topic isn't it and been discussed before?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 06, 2020, 08:55:23 PM
Well, if a drug user needs drugs he would sell valuable things for little money.
Today I was reading about his actual profile, he was described as a psychopath, narcissistic and manipulative. It was an interesting read, but at the same time, I was thinking about the times of Robert Murat when the press was making up stories about him so you never know if this is true. But if the German police think he is a suspect and that Madeleine is possibly dead then he is quite dangerous.

The info I've seen says he was a dealer, so why would he need to buy them for himself? 
   Sadistic abusers usually do have that 'dark triangle' profile so I can believe that, also explains why he would target different age groups as it's the torture and control of the vulnerable they get off on and not a specific attraction to an age group such as children.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: VIXTE on June 06, 2020, 09:09:46 PM
Quote
Brueckner was born to a woman named Fischer but given over to youth authorities at an early age. Between 1992 - when he was 16 - and 1994 he lived in a facility for young people with learning difficulties.



Quote
'Profilers at the BKA describe him in their report as a psychopath who is capable of anything. A man who nevertheless – or precisely because of this – had a charismatic aura and impressed the people around him. Most felt exploited, taken for a ride and cheated afterward.

They paint a picture of a manipulative narcissist who could appear charming, but was only trying to get money he would never pay back or sexual gratification.

'He was very engaging, dominant and sociable, he seemed like a hopeless dreamer who always had big plans,'says one companion

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394973/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-gave-underage-girls-drugs-exchange-sex.html
So, this is his profile but I think it comes from the German police aka  BKA?.


I am not sure about others but it has been a couple of days for me that something from a very old Madeleine messageboard is bothering me a lot.
This was in very early days, in May 2007 and as we all knew a lot about this case we tried closing our eyes and thinking about who has taken her. This was not like clairvoyance but rather a structured way of throwing away all the information we were given and try focusing on one point.
So, at the time I wrote that a see a handyman, with a van, quite slim and masculine and not either young or old, and that he does things with mathematical precision, putting things in his van and that he had green German uniform like a shirt on.  This picture of the guy at the time was so strong in front of my eyes.  I wish I can now read that!! But these messageboard do not exist anymore :(
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 09:31:41 PM
So you're just trying to divert and confuse the issue?
Jassi, looking at your contribution to the forum there is nothing constructive and/or informative about Madeleine’s disappearance. ‘Divert’ and ‘confuse’ is a reflection upon yourself. My opinion.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2020, 09:46:25 PM
Jassi, looking at your contribution to the forum there is nothing constructive and/or informative about Madeleine’s disappearance. ‘Divert’ and ‘confuse’ is a reflection upon yourself. My opinion.

I'm here to question, rather  than to  inform, though I post plenty of informative links if you could be bothered to look.
I also try to add a little humour here and there though I know some don't approve.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 06, 2020, 09:48:19 PM
Jassi, looking at your contribution to the forum there is nothing constructive and/or informative about Madeleine’s disappearance. ‘Divert’ and ‘confuse’ is a reflection upon yourself. My opinion.

Member's aren't tied by them rules of yours are they?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 10:04:50 PM
I'm here to question, rather  than to  inform, though I post plenty of informative links if you could be bothered to look.
I also try to add a little humour here and there though I know some don't approve.
Thank you.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 06, 2020, 10:13:22 PM
Member's aren't tied by them rules of yours are they?
Please elaborate re. ‘my rules’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 06, 2020, 10:20:00 PM
From the opening salvo.

Police believe the man, now in jail for a sex crime, was in the area where the girl, then aged three, was last seen.

Only believe its clear they cannot link him,thats the appeal for witness's.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 10:42:35 PM

But now on Sky we have a very somber  Brunt explaining that the BKA have had this information since 2013,
 
Grange since 2012, but he omits to mention that the PJ had it in 2007,
 

and at least by  8th May because that is when they showed a PHOTO (not a photo-fit) of Bückner to at least one of the witnesses.

So it took Grange 5 years to get the information, and then to do nothing, 

it took the BKA 6 years to get the information, and to do nothing.

Therefore the Judicial police had the information during the Golden Hours of Madeleine's abduction when it mattere most ... and did nothing with it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 10:58:21 PM
When he actually came back from Portugal in 2007 he was WELL OFF. The first thing that came to my mind after reading it is that he probably sold Madeleine. Just my thinking!

That was my immediate thought too.

I am intrigued by the fact that that now the German police have named the other side of the half hour phone conversation he had just before Madeleine disappeared that avenue has dried up.
Having the name, they will trace him and question him as a witness.  Who knows what may come of that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 11:02:58 PM
But still driving an ancient camper van and living in some friend's poxy attic. Doesn't sound loaded to me.

Not quite.
I have posted this already.  You may have missed it or maybe you are ignoring it in the hope it will go away.

Snip
'It was conspicuous that he had boasted about a sudden financial windfall after he returned from Portugal in 2007. Friends remember him telling them that he had found cash in a pile of clothes, large sums of money, after breaking into a home in the Algarve.

'In addition to a mobile home, he also used the money to buy a derelict factory property in the state of Saxony-Anhalt.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394183/Christian-Brueckner-flagged-key-Madeleine-McCann-kidnap-murder-suspect-SEVEN-YEARS-ago.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 06, 2020, 11:05:02 PM
Mr Bischof said he soon realised Brueckner was using his roof to dry out marijuana that he was selling, saying: 'He was proud he had dreamed up a way to dry it in the roof because of the heat. He was selling it and making money."

A big time international drug dealer too!

Everyone has to start somewhere.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 06, 2020, 11:10:29 PM
Growing his own marijuana plants is a small time local dealer and nothing more. Hardly scarface!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Erngath on June 06, 2020, 11:22:48 PM
Growing his own marijuana plants is a small time local dealer and nothing more. Hardly scarface!

His present confinement in a prison for the brutal rape of an elderly lady is much more akin to the Scarface description.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:04:12 AM
A good, concise article in the Times which answers some of the questions I had about this.  Let’s pray that if it does go to court it’s in Germany and not Portugal (where he’d probably walk free, be allowed to prosecute the McCcanns for allowing him to kidnap their child instead and then write a best selling book about his ordeal).

What happens next to Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner?
Peter Conradi
Saturday June 06 2020, 6.00pm, The Sunday Times
The emergence of Christian Brückner, 43, as a suspect in the Madeleine McCann case follows a joint operation by police in Britain, Portugal and Germany.

Where is Brückner?
In jail in Kiel, northern Germany, serving 21 months for dealing drugs on the holiday island of Sylt. The sentence, handed down in 2011, was initially suspended, but in 2016 he was convicted of sexual offences involving a child and the following year of grievous bodily harm and so was then obliged to serve the drug sentence.

Last December he was given a further seven years after he was convicted by a court in Brunswick, Lower Saxony, of raping a 72-year-old American widow at her beachside home in Praia da Luz in September 2005, about 20 months before Madeleine McCann’s disappearance. It was his 17th conviction. The woman, who returned to America, has not been named.

Brückner has appealed to Germany’s Federal Criminal Court against the rape verdict, which is therefore not yet legally binding. The matter has been passed to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg. He was extradited to Germany from Italy, to which he had fled in 2018, under a European arrest warrant.

With two-thirds of his drug sentence served, Brückner is eligible for parole. This is not automatic, however, and German legal experts have said that it is extremely unlikely that someone suspected of murder would be released early.


When could he be charged?
Brückner was revealed to be a suspect on last Wednesday’s edition of Aktenzeichen XY Ungelöst (File XY Unsolved), the German equivalent of Crimewatch — even though his name was not given.

In fact Brückner appears to have become a suspect in the case as long ago as 2013 after British detectives appeared on the same German television programme. According to Der Spiegel, a viewer then gave a tip to police in Brunswick, where Brückner was at the time running a kiosk. Police had passed the tip on to the Federal Office of Criminal Investigation but “it was apparently not acted upon, much to the consternation of the local investigators”, the magazine claimed.

Seven years on, Brückner has yet to be charged over Madeleine’s murder, apparently because there is insufficient evidence — which explains the decision to go on the programme again. “It is not enough for an arrest warrant or an indictment,” admitted Hans Wolters, from the public prosecutors office in Brunswick. Police have released photographs of the suspect and of the exterior and interior of his former home in Portugal.

Under German law, prosecutors are free to question Brückner about the McCann case, but it is thought that they have not yet done so. Judging by his past behaviour, he is unlikely to be co-operative when they do.

Legal experts were surprised that Christian Hoppe, of the Federal Criminal Police Office, who appeared on the programme, explicitly described the case as murder rather than as a missing person inquiry, as it has hitherto been treated by Scotland Yard. “That is very unusual,” said Arndt Kempgens, a German criminal lawyer who is following the case. “That can only mean they have found something else that they haven’t made public. Otherwise they would have spoken about a missing person.” It is thought that this something else could be photographs or information from other prisoners.

The German Madeleine


Inga went missing five years ago
Brückner has also been investigated in connection with the case of Inga Gehricke, a blonde five-year-old who disappeared on May 2, 2015, during a get-together in the woods with two other families near Stendal, in the eastern state of Saxony-Anhalt.

The parallels with the McCann case are striking. Inga’s parents initially thought their daughter had run into the forest to collect wood for a campfire. More than 100 police searched in vain for her for four days. Despite five years of public appeals and a reward of €25,000 for information leading to her whereabouts, Inga has not been found.

Brückner, registered as living 30 miles away in Brunswick at the time, was questioned the following February in connection with a piece of land he owned in Neuwegersleben, about 55 miles from where Inga disappeared. The land has a derelict former crate factory on it.

A passer-by came across some bones — apparently of Brückner’s labrador — buried there and alerted the police. In a bag they found a USB stick with pornographic image of children and a picture of Brückner naked.

Neighbours reported seeing him at the site most days in the three months leading up to Inga’s disappearance; he also appeared to have lived there for some time in an old caravan.

Investigators ended their investigation into any connections between Brückner and the Inga case after four weeks. It has since emerged that the day before her disappearance Brückner had been involved in a minor car accident at a motorway service area near Helmstedt, between Brunswick and Stendal, according to a local newspaper. On Friday state prosecutors in Saxony-Anhalt said they would reopen the investigation.

Third possible victim
Brückner is also suspected in connection with the disappearance of a German boy, René Hasee, 6, from a beach on the Algarve on June 21, 1996 — just months after Brückner had moved to the area.

The boy’s family, from Elsdorf, in North Rhine-Westphalia, had been on holiday in Aljezur, 25 miles from Praia da Luz. His father, Andreas, was contacted on Friday by police — the first time they had been in touch for 20 years. “There could be a connection,” he told the Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger newspaper. René had been running ahead of his mother and step-father on the beach on their way for a swim when they lost sight of him.

Although a body has not been found, Hasee said he had long since accepted that his son drowned, but told the paper: “He was actually also a very careful child. He would not have easily climbed into the Atlantic alone.”


Brückner was convicted of sexual offences involving a child in 2016
Where could he go on trial?
Under German law citizens may be tried either in the county where they allegedly committed a crime — in this case Portugal — or in the country in which they were arrested, namely Germany. The German and Portuguese authorities would decide between them.

If it were agreed to hold proceedings in Germany, the trial would be in a Schwurgericht (court of assizes), before three judges, assisted by two lay judges. Proceedings would be in public, although parts, such as those relating to sexual abuse, could be held in camera. The court may also visit the scene of the crime.

Madeleine’s parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, along with other people who were in Praia da Luz at the time of her disappearance, would be witnesses. The couple would also probably want to take advantage of a provision in German law allowing them to be Nebenkläger (co-plaintiffs) alongside the state.

This would allow them to put questions to the defendant themselves, heightening the courtroom drama. If convicted of murder in Germany, Brückner could face life imprisonment, which would mean a minimum of 15 years in jail.
@Peter_Conradi
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:05:27 AM
Growing his own marijuana plants is a small time local dealer and nothing more. Hardly scarface!
Yes, virtually Mother Theresa by all accounts.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 07, 2020, 12:20:04 AM

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11781226/madeleine-mccann-news-latest-suspect-update-christian-b/
37 MINUTES AGO
MCCANN SUSPECT REGULARLY VISITED RUNDOWN COUNTRYSIDE VILLA

Christian B regularly visited a rundown villa in the Portuguese countryside after Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, it has been claimed.

The property, not previously linked with the 43-year-old German who has been revealed as the key suspect in the toddler’s disappearance, could now become a focal point in discovering what happened to the three-year-old in 2007.

It is believed Christian B often stayed at the villa in the village of Foral in 2007 and 2008 and parked his Volkswagen van at a nearby restaurant.

The villa is about 40 miles from the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, the holiday resort where three-year-old Madeleine disappeared, according to the Mail on Sunday.

A German couple who have lived in the village for more than 20 years said they immediately recognised him when he was named by German officials earlier this week.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 07, 2020, 12:34:20 AM
He committed suicide in prison.

I meant Brueckner. The three woman in the Cleveland case were kept secured in a house and fed by the perpetrator. How could this case possibly be similar ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 07, 2020, 02:05:30 AM
I would think that everyone would be disappointed.

It was a hope of mine.

I still have reason for hope.  Wish I could share it.

BTW, in one of the reports mentioned in this thread, he was said to have loads of cash.   He claims it was from a burglary.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 07, 2020, 02:19:28 AM
I let my guard down and foolishly went with what I read in a tabloid.  8(8-))

Holly, the American lady and Christian B. did live down the lane/track from each other, but it is a long lane and they lived about 0.56 of a mile apart, crow flies.  The more northern part is just a track and maybe, maybe not, a small vehicle could negotiate it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 07, 2020, 02:45:15 AM
They did nothing when he was pointed at. Then again, 3 years ago they received a tip after the bar chat. OK, they might have been looking at him closely just to make sure. 3 years is an awful lot of time.  I think they have been doing their puzzle and now close to solving it.

Yep, and it was 2017 that I noticed a definite change in the posting of several members on here.  They stopped aggressing Kate and Gerry, thank goodness.  I mentioned it on here twice, but no one else seemed to have noticed.

Seems they heard about what was going on, IMO.  Seems the PJ, or someone, must have leaked/informed them.

At that time, Amaral too was changing his tune.   Likely he had links to the PJ still and he got the 'tip off' that SY were on to Christian Brueckner and he pulled in his horns to minimise the damage to himself ?


We all wondered why no money seemed to have changed hands, from The Mccanns to Amaral, after The Supreme Court found in his favour.      Maybe this was the reason ?


These are just the thoughts that are in my mind .  What do others think ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 07:17:48 AM
Yep, and it was 2017 that I noticed a definite change in the posting of several members on here.  They stopped aggressing Kate and Gerry, thank goodness.  I mentioned it on here twice, but no one else seemed to have noticed.

Seems they heard about what was going on, IMO.  Seems the PJ, or someone, must have leaked/informed them.

At that time, Amaral too was changing his tune.   Likely he had links to the PJ still and he got the 'tip off' that SY were on to Christian Brueckner and he pulled in his horns to minimise the damage to himself ?


We all wondered why no money seemed to have changed hands, from The Mccanns to Amaral, after The Supreme Court found in his favour.      Maybe this was the reason ?


These are just the thoughts that are in my mind .  What do others think ?
The court order was for the McCanns to pay court cost's not compensation of any kind.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 07:23:36 AM
What people are missing here is that this guy could be an important witness to events of that night if he was around,clearly no evidence to link him,charges would already have been made before the rabid press got up if there were any.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 08:30:18 AM
What people are missing here is that this guy could be an important witness to events of that night if he was around,clearly no evidence to link him,charges would already have been made before the rabid press got up if there were any.

Nothing at all except for the absolutely appalling criminal record he boasts ~ the fact that he lived minutes from the centre of Luz and also used a camper van ~ the fact  his phone places him in Luz just before Madeleine was abducted ~ the fact that he left Luz immediately after ~ the fact that he 'came into money at the same time ~ the fact he was a prolific and successful burglar who was known to illegally enter properties via windows.

In my opinion the "rabid press" are reporting information being given to them directly and openly by the police ... that is the German and English police ... and have received information from the public as a result.

I'm hoping some of that information will be useful in providing enough evidence for the police to solve some of the heinous crimes they are looking into because he can be placed where they occurred at the relevant time ~ just as he can be placed in Luz at the relevant time of Madeleine's disappearance.

Amaral who for some reason best known to himself told the world about Brueckner in April and having perhaps deliberately interfered with an active police investigation as a result has been silent since.
But think about why he did that ~ he is not taking Brueckner lightly by any means ~ and I don't think you are either.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 08:36:21 AM
What people are missing here is that this guy could be an important witness to events of that night if he was around,clearly no evidence to link him,charges would already have been made before the rabid press got up if there were any.
Ah, good point.  This burglar-cum-child abuser-cum-torturer-cum-rapist could have just been hanging around Luz that night, quietly minding his own business and seen Gerry parading through town with a corpse.  What a turn up that would be, eh?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 08:58:24 AM
Not quite.
I have posted this already.  You may have missed it or maybe you are ignoring it in the hope it will go away.

Snip
'It was conspicuous that he had boasted about a sudden financial windfall after he returned from Portugal in 2007. Friends remember him telling them that he had found cash in a pile of clothes, large sums of money, after breaking into a home in the Algarve.

'In addition to a mobile home, he also used the money to buy a derelict factory property in the state of Saxony-Anhalt.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394183/Christian-Brueckner-flagged-key-Madeleine-McCann-kidnap-murder-suspect-SEVEN-YEARS-ago.html

I stand corrected.

However , I have read that his camper van was sold to a dealer in 2015 and later impounded by police.
If he bought a new van in 2007, then have police taken  the right van into custody?
Are the pictures that  we have seen photos of the van he had around 2006 ?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 09:10:47 AM
Ask yourself this,if you were coming up to retirement and yet the case you were DCI on, is about to announce the biggest possible breakthrough in the most infamous/famous missing child case in the world,would you opt on retirement and let some one else have the kudos or see it through especially after the profile you allowed Vogue to write.
Nope nothing to see here,move along folks.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 09:29:27 AM
Ask yourself this,if you were coming up to retirement and yet the case you were DCI on, is about to announce the biggest possible breakthrough in the most infamous/famous missing child case in the world,would you opt on retirement and let some one else have the kudos or see it through especially after the profile you allowed Vogue to write.
Nope nothing to see here,move along folks.
LOL.  Another good point, yes clearly the DCI you are referring to was eager to quit the shit show asap so she wouldn’t have her good name sullied by these absurd developments.  As if this Christian guy could in any way be responsible when every fule no it was the parents wot dunnit.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 09:31:57 AM
Perhaps this retired DCI also realised that this new/last lead would likely drag on for years and in the meantime she had a life to live.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 09:36:25 AM
Perhaps this retired DCI also realised that this new/last lead would likely drag on for years and in the meantime she had a life to live.
Yeah, maybe she had enough of poring over images of children being abused and old women being tortured and wanted to retire on her big fat police pension in the sun somewhere.   And who can blame her?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 10:23:01 AM
‘A source close to the German police investigation said: "The suspect is saying nothing to officers so Kate and Gerry could be left in limbo for months, which is agonising for them."

It is understood German police were shown photos or video of Maddie's body or given a graphic account of how she died’. (Express)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 10:24:55 AM
‘A candle in Rothley, which usually burns around the clock as a symbol of hope for Madeleine and is re-lit daily by the church warden, has remained unlit since Wednesday’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 10:27:40 AM
‘A source close to the German police investigation said: "The suspect is saying nothing to officers so Kate and Gerry could be left in limbo for months, which is agonising for them."

It is understood German police were shown photos or video of Maddie's body or given a graphic account of how she died’. (Express)


OMG, the Germans have been infected by a 'close source'. Hope it's not the same as the ' close source to the family'

Daily Mail must be gutted that they've been scooped by the Express
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 10:32:38 AM
‘A source close to the German police investigation said: "The suspect is saying nothing to officers so Kate and Gerry could be left in limbo for months, which is agonising for them."

It is understood German police were shown photos or video of Maddie's body or given a graphic account of how she died’. (Express)

One would think therefore SY have seen them,yet they must have doubt,why else treat it still as a missing person.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 10:36:38 AM
One would think therefore SY have seen them,yet they must have doubt,why else treat it still as a missing person.

Very true.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 10:57:38 AM
Nothing at all except for the absolutely appalling criminal record he boasts ~ the fact that he lived minutes from the centre of Luz and also used a camper van ~ the fact  his phone places him in Luz just before Madeleine was abducted ~ the fact that he left Luz immediately after ~ the fact that he 'came into money at the same time ~ the fact he was a prolific and successful burglar who was known to illegally enter properties via windows.

In my opinion the "rabid press" are reporting information being given to them directly and openly by the police ... that is the German and English police ... and have received information from the public as a result.

I'm hoping some of that information will be useful in providing enough evidence for the police to solve some of the heinous crimes they are looking into because he can be placed where they occurred at the relevant time ~ just as he can be placed in Luz at the relevant time of Madeleine's disappearance.

Amaral who for some reason best known to himself told the world about Brueckner in April and having perhaps deliberately interfered with an active police investigation as a result has been silent since.
But think about why he did that ~ he is not taking Brueckner lightly by any means ~ and I don't think you are either.

Who saw his distinctive campervan that night? That should stand out like a sore thumb. Nobody to my knowledge and that's why they're asking for photos.

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 11:02:25 AM
Who saw his distinctive campervan that night? That should stand out like a sore thumb. Nobody to my knowledge and that's why they're asking for photos.

Is it the right van ? He reportedly bought another one later in 2007, presumably when he returned to Germany.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 11:03:29 AM
Anyone remember this headline from 2007,the suspect in question received a nice pay out,wonder if the German will receive the same in the fullness of time.



Madeleine suspect had 'child porn' on his computer

But the source said: "Things were found, including paedophile stuff, and that's why he remains of interest in this inquiry."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 11:04:43 AM
Who saw his distinctive campervan that night? That should stand out like a sore thumb. Nobody to my knowledge and that's why they're asking for photos.

Oh! some one will bound to be found by the press who remember it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 11:20:44 AM
Oh! some one will bound to be found by the press who remember it.

Perhaps there will be some sign of it on all those holiday snaps which were sent to the McCanns or their private detectives or CEOP or whoever it was.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 11:48:37 AM
Oh! some one will bound to be found by the press who remember it.

Agreed there will always be a few wackos out there who will now recall seeing it 13 years later. They have to be careful with these witnesses.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 11:56:24 AM
Agreed there will always be a few whackos out there who will now recall seeing it 13 years later. They have to be careful with these witnesses.

Can't see any such statement having any value other than pointing towards other events that might be useful.

There's little doubt that his van would be in the area - he lived in the PDL area so having seen it will hardly be world-shattering information.

If witnesses saw him driving it away from 5A around about 9 pm, then that might be a different matter.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 11:56:55 AM
Is it the right van ? He reportedly bought another one later in 2007, presumably when he returned to Germany.

The first vehicle is a distinctive VW T3 Westfalia campervan. It is an early 1980s model, with two tone markings, a white upper body and a yellow skirting. It had a Portuguese registration plate.

The suspect had access to this van from at least April 2007 until sometime after May 2007. It was used in and around the area of Praia da Luz.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 12:04:14 PM
Agreed there will always be a few wackos out there who will now recall seeing it 13 years later. They have to be careful with these witnesses.

Very careful or he could end up suing the same as Christopher Jeffreys.

The stories now been printed seems everyone coming out the woodwork yet stayed silent of there suspicions all these years.

How would they make credible witnesses when they blasting what they know to the media.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:04:49 PM
Perhaps there will be some sign of it on all those holiday snaps which were sent to the McCanns or their private detectives or CEOP or whoever it was.

CEOP Jim Gamble was certainly asking for them in 2007 and yet again in 2020. OG better get the 2007 photos that they received if they haven't done so!

22 May 2007
Specialist detectives will use a high-speed database designed to detect paedophiles in an attempt to identify whoever abducted Madeleine McCann.
Senior police officers within Ceop - the child exploitation and online protection agency - appealed yesterday for anyone who had been on holiday in Praia de la Luz in the two weeks to May 3, the day Madeleine disappeared, to send in photographs taken in the area of the Ocean Club complex, where the McCann family was staying. Jim Gamble, chief executive of Ceop, said police were looking for pictures with people in the background who were not connected to the photographer.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/22/ukcrime.sandralaville
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:12:50 PM
Very careful or he could end up suing the same as Christopher Jeffreys.

The stories now been printed seems everyone coming out the woodwork yet stayed silent of there suspicions all these years.

How would they make credible witnesses when they blasting what they know to the media.

The media have made this German guilty already so it's going to have an effect on certain people.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:13:38 PM
Very careful or he could end up suing the same as Christopher Jeffreys.

The stories now been printed seems everyone coming out the woodwork yet stayed silent of there suspicions all these years.

How would they make credible witnesses when they blasting what they know to the media.
Christopher Jeffries was a wholly innocent man who had his reputation unfairly dragged through the mud.  The same cannot be said for this individual.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:14:13 PM
The media have made this German guilty already so it's going to have an effect on certain people.
Such as who?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:14:33 PM
CEOP Jim Gamble was certainly asking for them in 2007 and yet again in 2020. OG better get the 2007 photos that they received if they haven't done so!

22 May 2007
Specialist detectives will use a high-speed database designed to detect paedophiles in an attempt to identify whoever abducted Madeleine McCann.
Senior police officers within Ceop - the child exploitation and online protection agency - appealed yesterday for anyone who had been on holiday in Praia de la Luz in the two weeks to May 3, the day Madeleine disappeared, to send in photographs taken in the area of the Ocean Club complex, where the McCann family was staying. Jim Gamble, chief executive of Ceop, said police were looking for pictures with people in the background who were not connected to the photographer.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/22/ukcrime.sandralaville

That would suggest that either he wasn't on the data base or he wasn't caught on camera in the area at that time
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:17:23 PM
Christopher Jeffries was a wholly innocent man who had his reputation unfairly dragged through the mud.  The same cannot be said for this individual.

So you can blame him for every unsolved crime without evidence? He worked in catering and talked on the phone with a catering manager? Is that suspicious that he abducted Madeleine to you?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:21:22 PM
So you can blame him for every unsolved crime without evidence? He worked in catering and talked on the phone with a catering manager? Is that suspicious that he abducted Madeleine to you?
I’m not blaming him for anything at all, I am hoping however that he is thoroughly investigated for all those crimes and if there is evidence to be collected on him, that it is done so and presented in a court of law.  What is your problem with that?  The fact that he worked in catering and talked on the phone is the very least of it fgs.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 07, 2020, 12:26:52 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8396063/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-tipped-tourists-leaving-apartment-doors-open-inside-man.html
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:29:47 PM
I’m not blaming hi. for anything at all, I am hoping however that he is thoroughly investigated for all those crimes and if there is evidence to be collected on him, that it is done so and presented in a court of law.  What is your problem with that?  The fact that he worked in catering and talked on the phone is the very least of it fgs.

Agreed he should be properly investigated but I've yet to see any evidence that he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance except for boasts that he knows what happened.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:30:43 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8396063/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-tipped-tourists-leaving-apartment-doors-open-inside-man.html

Health Warning. Do not visit this site unless you want to view a video of a very dissolute-looking Clarence Mitchell
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:32:15 PM
Agreed he should be properly investigated but I've yet to see any evidence that he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance except for boasts that he knows what happened.
You will see only what you want to see as you are convinced Gerry did the crime. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 12:34:03 PM
Agreed he should be properly investigated but I've yet to see any evidence that he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance except for boasts that he knows what happened.

Didn't Raymond Hewlett claim the same?

Maybe they both did it, along with Creepy Man, Victoria Beckham & some black dude.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 12:34:37 PM
Health Warning. Do not visit this site unless you want to view a video of a very dissolute-looking Clarence Mitchell

Warning.  The Daily Mail on Line is being phished by a fake Orange Site.  Much more important.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:34:51 PM
Police seemed to set great store in this phone call.
Now knowing who the originator was, they may judge it less important  IMO
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:38:01 PM
Didn't Raymond Hewlett claim the same?

Maybe they both did it, along with Creepy Man, Victoria Beckham & some black dude.

Is creepy man the same as spotty man ? There have been so many, I forget
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 12:40:50 PM
Police seemed to set great store in this phone call.
Now knowing who the originator was, they may judge it less important  IMO

Nope ... I think they might very well be even more interested.

Isn't the Portuguese guy's name it was registered to the equivalent of John Smith in English?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 12:40:55 PM
I am really pleased to see that so many of you are now supporting Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

Keep up the good work y'all.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 12:42:47 PM
Is creepy man the same as spotty man ? There have been so many, I forget

No Creepy man & Spotty man are two different people.

It can be hard to keep up with the number of creepy looking men seen lurking suspiciously close to apartment G5a.

Now we have another one to add to the list, but this one is a paedo who owned a car, campervan & mobile phone, so it must be him.

 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 12:44:44 PM
I am really pleased to see that so many of you are now supporting Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

Keep up the good work y'all.

I have always supported the presumption of innocence, but that doesn't mean Kate & Gerry didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:44:51 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8396063/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-tipped-tourists-leaving-apartment-doors-open-inside-man.html

That is suggesting that Diogo Silva is the inside man. They all left their doors open? Only the McCanns said they did at night.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:47:04 PM
No Creepy man & Spotty man are two different people.

It can be hard to keep up with the number of creepy looking men seen lurking suspiciously close to apartment G5a.

Now we have another one to add to the list, but this one is a paedo who owned a car, campervan & mobile phone, so it must be him.
He’s also a violent rapist who was definitely in PdL the night Madeleine went missing and who it would seem happened to be in the locale at the same time as a number of other missing child cases. 

It’s true though the Algarve and PdL in particular does seem to be a magnet for lowlifes.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 12:47:41 PM
‘A source close to the German police investigation said: "The suspect is saying nothing to officers so Kate and Gerry could be left in limbo for months, which is agonising for them."

It is understood German police were shown photos or video of Maddie's body or given a graphic account of how she died’. (Express)

'It is understood'.....usually means hearsay.  Isn't police seeing actual footage of Maddie's body slightly different than an account of how she died!?....which could be completely made up?  If they had video of her body they wouldn't need to be appealing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:47:47 PM
That is suggesting that Diogo Silva is the inside man. They all left their doors open? Only the McCanns said they did at night.
Maybe that’s why Madeleine was the one taken? 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:47:50 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8396063/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-tipped-tourists-leaving-apartment-doors-open-inside-man.html

I notice there is no attribution for this gem, only  Madeleine McCann suspect was tipped off about British tourists leaving their apartment doors open while they dined out by an 'inside man' at the complex where they were staying, a Portuguese newspaper has claimed."
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 12:48:23 PM
'It is understood'.....usually means hearsay.  Isn't police seeing actual footage of Maddie's body slightly different than an account of how she died!?....which could be completely made up?  If they had video of her body they wouldn't need to be appealing.
A video of her body wouldn’t necessarily prove who killed her.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 12:49:17 PM
He’s also a violent rapist who was definitely in PdL the night Madeleine went missing and who it would seem happened to be in the locale at the same time as a number of other missing child cases. 

It’s true though the Algarve and PdL in particular does seem to be a magnet for lowlifes.

Well that's that then, case solved. We may as well all pack up & go home.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:51:38 PM
'It is understood'.....usually means hearsay. Isn't police seeing actual footage of Maddie's body slightly different than an account of how she died!?....which could be completely made up?  If they had video of her body they wouldn't need to be appealing.

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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 12:52:56 PM
Does anyone find it curious that the German appeal says he 'had access' to the van?

'He lived a “transient lifestyle” in a camper van for days at a time. He was linked to houses in Portugal including one between one between Praia da Luz and Lagos.

He had access to a distinctive VW T3 Westfalia camper van from at least April until sometime after May 2007, which was used in and around Praia da Luz.''


why do they say this and then in later accounts that he sold it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 12:55:42 PM
A video of her body wouldn’t necessarily prove who killed her.

No not in absolute terms but how likely is it police wouldn't know where the video came from? We are told that Bruckner videos other rapes, one was on his video camera stolen by aquantainces. Now police are shown mystery photos OR video OR a description and we're supposed to believe they have no idea where these things came from?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 12:57:43 PM
Does anyone find it curious that the German appeal says he 'had access' to the van?

'He lived a “transient lifestyle” in a camper van for days at a time. He was linked to houses in Portugal including one between one between Praia da Luz and Lagos.

He had access to a distinctive VW T3 Westfalia camper van from at least April until sometime after May 2007, which was used in and around Praia da Luz.''


why do they say this and then in later accounts that he sold it?

I find the various accounts about the van very confusing.
He's supposed to have sold this van in 2015, yet according to other reports he bought a second van in late 2007. Is this the one he sold in 2015, in which case where did the first van go and how did police  get hold of it ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 12:58:19 PM
Maybe that’s why Madeleine was the one taken?

How convenient. With all the comings and goings and he wasn't seen checking all these apartments for an open door. He entered and saw Madeleine out of bed again I presume to not know what to do? Most would exit but he decides to take her. Then she is seen in a deep sleep and not awake by 9 eye witnesses.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 12:58:40 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/witness-claims-saw-madeleine-mccann-22151768
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 01:00:17 PM
I notice there is no attribution for this gem, only  Madeleine McCann suspect was tipped off about British tourists leaving their apartment doors open while they dined out by an 'inside man' at the complex where they were staying, a Portuguese newspaper has claimed."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11593.msg597322#msg597322
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 01:03:36 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/witness-claims-saw-madeleine-mccann-22151768

A witness claims she spotted Madeleine McCann getting into a German-owned Volkswagen van with a man weeks after her disappearance.

How does he/she know this when police state that Bruckner's van had Portuguese registration ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 01:04:08 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/witness-claims-saw-madeleine-mccann-22151768

So now this evil pedo became a daddy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 01:06:17 PM
I find the various accounts about the van very confusing.
He's supposed to have sold this van in 2015, yet according to other reports he bought a second van in late 2007. Is this the one he sold in 2015, in which case where did the first van go and how did police  get hold of it ?

Yes that's confusing Jassi. I also find this confusing. when he committed the rape on the 72 year old woman he was on foot. So he planned something quite brazen and didn't think he needed to have a vehicle to leave the scene or to scope out the scene.

"His most serious conviction was for a disturbing sexual attack on a woman at the other end of the age spectrum, however: the rape of a 72-year-old American woman whose flat was on the 1km route between his house and the beach which he walked every day. The attack took place on 2 September 2005, and according to court documents seen by the Guardian, it was planned in detail
According to the documents, Brückner entered the woman’s house at about 10.30pm through the open door of her living room. He dragged her through the house, tying her down, beating her with a 30cm scimitar, raping her, and then leading her to the kitchen where he forced her to hand over money before he left by foot, taking her computer.''
   
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995 (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 01:14:06 PM
Yes that's confusing Jassi. I also find this confusing. when he committed the rape on the 72 year old woman he was on foot. So he planned something quite brazen and didn't think he needed to have a vehicle to leave the scene or to scope out the scene.

"His most serious conviction was for a disturbing sexual attack on a woman at the other end of the age spectrum, however: the rape of a 72-year-old American woman whose flat was on the 1km route between his house and the beach which he walked every day. The attack took place on 2 September 2005, and according to court documents seen by the Guardian, it was planned in detail
According to the documents, Brückner entered the woman’s house at about 10.30pm through the open door of her living room. He dragged her through the house, tying her down, beating her with a 30cm scimitar, raping her, and then leading her to the kitchen where he forced her to hand over money before he left by foot, taking her computer.''
   
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995 (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/04/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bruckner-fled-police-in-1995)
People who commit crimes like this are usually brazen risk takers, not cautious risk averse types. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 01:22:28 PM
People who commit crimes like this are usually brazen risk takers, not cautious risk averse types.

That's not what my source said,  'planned in detail'  how is that being a 'risk taker'.

Also various media sources are telling us he had someone telling him when doors were open, so again that's planning and risk asessment.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 01:22:49 PM
So now this evil pedo became a daddy.

.....and Maddie happily took a 600 mile road trip with this total stranger.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Gertrude on June 07, 2020, 01:26:19 PM
So where is this police file of the alleged sighting in Alcossebre, Spain? Can anyone find it?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 01:28:17 PM
How convenient. With all the comings and goings and he wasn't seen checking all these apartments for an open door. He entered and saw Madeleine out of bed again I presume to not know what to do? Most would exit but he decides to take her. Then she is seen in a deep sleep and not awake by 9 eye witnesses.
Who said the suspect is Smithman?  And you seem to have it arse about face.  The apartment was targeted BECAUSE it was the one with the unlocked door, not that he targeted the apartment and then conveniently discovered it was unlocked.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 01:31:31 PM
Who said the suspect is Smithman?  And you seem to have it arse about face.  The apartment was targeted BECAUSE it was the one with the unlocked door, not that he targeted the apartment and then conveniently discovered it was unlocked.

How do you know the apartment was targeted at all?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 01:33:18 PM
From the Times today  - behind paywall so no link


Headline - Madeleine McCann case: police seek a ‘knockout blow’ to charge suspect Christian Brückner

The German paedophile suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann is said to have been placed under surveillance in jail in the hope that he will confess to the notorious crime to a fellow prisoner.

Police believe that Christian Brückner might inadvertently blurt out enough details about his involvement in her disappearance to allow them to charge him with her kidnapping and murder.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 01:33:28 PM
That's not what my source said,  'planned in detail'  how is that being a 'risk taker'.

Also various media sources are telling us he had someone telling him when doors were open, so again that's planning and risk asessment.

 No evidence of a break in,doors open.Some don't get it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 01:34:29 PM
That's not what my source said,  'planned in detail'  how is that being a 'risk taker'.

Also various media sources are telling us he had someone telling him when doors were open, so again that's planning and risk asessment.
The two are not mutually exclusive.  You can plan a mission in advance, doesn't mean it doesn't have serious risks involved.  He may have decided that using an easily identifiable vehicle on leaving the woman's house was more risky than walking home in the shadows.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 01:35:11 PM
From the Times today  - behind paywall so no link


Headline - Madeleine McCann case: police seek a ‘knockout blow’ to charge suspect Christian Brückner

The German paedophile suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann is said to have been placed under surveillance in jail in the hope that he will confess to the notorious crime to a fellow prisoner.

Police believe that Christian Brückner might inadvertently blurt out enough details about his involvement in her disappearance to allow them to charge him with her kidnapping and murder.
Wonder if he has access to the times online,nothing like a bit of warning.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 01:38:50 PM
A witness claims she spotted Madeleine McCann getting into a German-owned Volkswagen van with a man weeks after her disappearance.

How does he/she know this when police state that Bruckner's van had Portuguese registration ?

False number plates?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 01:40:25 PM
False number plates?

Possible, but still wouldn't mean German-owned, only German registered.
Bruckner's van was German-owned but Portuguese-registered.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 07, 2020, 01:46:33 PM
How do you know the apartment was targeted at all?

And if the suspect was alerted to the apartment being empty the alerter would have known that the group had children and that they were checking on them as he would have to, I’d assume, have know that the patio door was unlocked.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 01:51:41 PM
‘Diogo Silva appears to have ended up being the ‘new’ holder of one of the mobile phone numbers released by police in their appeal for information – a man with no connection to the case whatsoever, writes Correio da Manhã’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 07, 2020, 01:54:28 PM
Possible, but still wouldn't mean German-owned, only German registered.
Bruckner's van was German-owned but Portuguese-registered.

And where has this witness suddenly appeared from? I’m presuming she said something at the time and her story was followed up?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 01:56:32 PM
‘Diogo Silva appears to have ended up being the ‘new’ holder of one of the mobile phone numbers released by police in their appeal for information – a man with no connection to the case whatsoever, writes Correio da Manhã’.

How very interesting. Another theory out the window, it would seem.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 02:04:15 PM
How very interesting. Another theory out the window, it would seem.

Yeh,fact's keeping getting in the way.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 07, 2020, 02:04:56 PM
And what of ‘smelly man’ ? Surely Brueckner would be a shoe in for him yet not a whisper.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 02:07:19 PM
And what of ‘smelly man’ ? Surely Brueckner would be a shoe in for him yet not a whisper.

So many to choose from,from Tannerman to smelly man,bogus charity collector,rasta man,what a choice,yet no one says which he is,gotta be one of them.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 02:08:41 PM
So many to choose from,from Tannerman to smelly man,bogus charity collector,rasta man,what a choice,yet no one says which he is,gotta be one of them.

Surely it was invisibleman
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 02:14:26 PM
From the Times today  - behind paywall so no link


Headline - Madeleine McCann case: police seek a ‘knockout blow’ to charge suspect Christian Brückner

The German paedophile suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann is said to have been placed under surveillance in jail in the hope that he will confess to the notorious crime to a fellow prisoner.

Police believe that Christian Brückner might inadvertently blurt out enough details about his involvement in her disappearance to allow them to charge him with her kidnapping and murder.


Oh not that old chestnut - how many in there will want early release.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 02:16:59 PM
Christian Brückner
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 02:17:30 PM

Oh not that old chestnut - how many in there will want early release.

It all sounded a bit desperate if the is what police are relying on.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 02:21:47 PM
It all sounded a bit desperate if the is what police are relying on.

Very desperate - especially when GA predicted it last year seems it was on the cards 14 month ago
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 02:26:47 PM
How do you know the apartment was targeted at all?
That was the suggestion in the article we were discussing, do keep up.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 02:29:46 PM
Let's all hear it for Goncalo Amaral, shall we.  He did know what he was a doing of when he decided that The McCanns were guilty and this poor old Paedophile and Rapist had nothing to do with anything.

Sorry.  Wrong Thread.  But I am about past caring.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: sadie on June 07, 2020, 02:45:03 PM
The court order was for the McCanns to pay court cost's not compensation of any kind.

They haven't paid them, have they?

Could the identification of Chistian Bruecker and the potential there, be the reason why?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 02:48:16 PM
They haven't paid them, have they?

Could the identification of Chistian Bruecker and the potential there, be the reason why?

Like Eleanor says, "I'm past caring"
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 02:50:31 PM
Like Eleanor says, "I'm past caring"

But for entirely different reasons than mine.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 02:52:43 PM
In response to a reader’s comment about the possible prejudicial reporting in the media meaning the suspect would not receive a fair trial, the Time reporter responded thus


T
Peter Conradi
STAFF
18 HOURS AGO
CANNAE
No, not if the trial happens in Germany, since they do not have juries. As the piece says, the verdict would be decided by the judges, who will not be influenced by what we or any other media write.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 02:53:57 PM
They haven't paid them, have they?

Could the identification of Chistian Bruecker and the potential there, be the reason why?

Then the echr case will fail.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 02:57:08 PM
Like Eleanor says, "I'm past caring"
you never cared about anything to do with this case, be honest.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 02:57:50 PM
Then the echr case will fail.

Rubbish.  The Case is subject to another Court.  Only after that verdict will anything be decided.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 03:00:52 PM
Rubbish.  The Case is subject to another Court.  Only after that verdict will anything be decided.

Oh dear,read what the echr will and will not do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 03:02:35 PM
you never cared about anything to do with this case, be honest.

Not to anything like the emotional level that you seem to invest.
I view it as an interesting event that I intend to follow through to the end.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 03:04:07 PM
Oh dear,read what the echr will and will not do.

No.  Read what The ECHR Can and Cannot do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 03:06:16 PM
No.  Read what The ECHR Can and Cannot do.

Its not about Amaral.

the complaints relate to matters which involve the responsibility of a public authority (legislature, administrative body, court of law, etc.); the Court cannot deal with complaints directed against private individuals or private organisations;

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 03:10:20 PM
Its not about Amaral.

the complaints relate to matters which involve the responsibility of a public authority (legislature, administrative body, court of law, etc.); the Court cannot deal with complaints directed against private individuals or private organisations;

The Complaint wasn't directed at a Private Individual.  Or did you miss that?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 03:14:06 PM
No.  Read what The ECHR Can and Cannot do.

 It is important to tell clients clearly and  repeatedly that the Court is not a further appeal or ‘fourth instance’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 03:15:25 PM
Not to anything like the emotional level that you seem to invest.
I view it as an interesting event that I intend to follow through to the end.
Not to any level emotionally it would seem, only in its capacity to amuse you and to use it to cause offence. 
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 03:19:05 PM
The Complaint wasn't directed at a Private Individual.  Or did you miss that?

We're getting distracted here.

This is about the unnamed german suspect who was named by the press.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 03:19:27 PM
Not to any level emotionally it would seem, only in its capacity to amuse you and to use it to cause offence.

No, it's a sad case of course, but doesn't keep me awake at night, though it certainly helps keeps me awake in the daytime.

Offence is only taken by those who wish to be offended.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 03:22:17 PM
No, it's a sad case of course, but doesn't keep me awake at night, though it certainly helps keeps me awake in the daytime.

Offence is only taken by those who wish to be offended.
Rubbish.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 03:37:30 PM
No, it's a sad case of course, but doesn't keep me awake at night, though it certainly helps keeps me awake in the daytime.

Offence is only taken by those who wish to be offended.

Well the weather has turned so its something to do.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 07, 2020, 03:59:40 PM
No, it's a sad case of course, but doesn't keep me awake at night, though it certainly helps keeps me awake in the daytime.

Offence is only taken by those who wish to be offended.

i think offence is only taken by those who are vulnerable would be more accurate. I'm quite a compassionate person..
i feel for vulnerable poeple...
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 04:04:24 PM
It is important to tell clients clearly and  repeatedly that the Court is not a further appeal or ‘fourth instance’.

But it doesn't half have it's clout.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 04:05:08 PM
No not in absolute terms but how likely is it police wouldn't know where the video came from? We are told that Bruckner videos other rapes, one was on his video camera stolen by aquantainces. Now police are shown mystery photos OR video OR a description and we're supposed to believe they have no idea where these things came from?

If he had any footage or photos of Madeleine he would be arrested straight away and questioned.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 04:06:47 PM
i think offence is only taken by those who are vulnerable would be more accurate. I'm quite a compassionate person..
i feel for vulnerable poeple...

So do I - an just to remind you Maddie was vulnerable too.

Sounds we are both the same - just on a different side, believe different things.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 04:07:13 PM
i think offence is only taken by those who are vulnerable would be more accurate. I'm quite a compassionate person..
i feel for vulnerable poeple...

Good for you.  My compassion is looking dodgy.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2020, 04:07:36 PM
If he had any footage or photos of Madeleine he would be arrested straight away and questioned.

Even if there were photos, they would have to be able to him to them, not just exist
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 07, 2020, 04:10:42 PM
It is important to tell clients clearly and  repeatedly that the Court is not a further appeal or ‘fourth instance’.

It doesnt have to be to see justice done. Having looked at meny other cases amaral will not be directly involved but what he has said...the contents of his book and the evidence to support those statements will. there ha sto be  abalance between articles 8 and 10 and the right to free speech is generally acceptable if the statements are reasonable and based on evidence.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 07, 2020, 04:12:53 PM
So do I - an just to remind you Maddie was vulnerable too.

Sounds we are both the same - just on a different side, believe different things.

i certainly feel for maddie and I also feel for her parents. I see them as vulnerable too.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 04:56:53 PM
In response to a reader’s comment about the possible prejudicial reporting in the media meaning the suspect would not receive a fair trial, the Time reporter responded thus


T
Peter Conradi
STAFF
18 HOURS AGO
CANNAE
No, not if the trial happens in Germany, since they do not have juries. As the piece says, the verdict would be decided by the judges, who will not be influenced by what we or any other media write.

That is interesting.  I had absolutely no idea there were no juries in Germany.  Apparently that has been the case since 1924.

I did read somewhere that the victims of a crime or their survivors have the right to be allowed to question defendants in a trial but I didn't realise why that was and just how different the legal system was from ours.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 05:02:19 PM
i certainly feel for maddie and I also feel for her parents. I see them as vulnerable too.

I could say they had the choice to do what they did - Maddie didn't, but I won't.

I'll just say who was the adult here - who was the child.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Davel on June 07, 2020, 05:04:15 PM
I could say they had the choice to do what they did - Maddie didn't, but I won't.

I'll just say who was the adult here - who was the child.
The parents are still vulnerable
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 07, 2020, 05:13:13 PM
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-traded-young-22152126

ByEmma Robertson
14:52, 7 JUN 2020UPDATED14:54, 7 JUN 2020

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner would sleep with partygoers after giving them cannabis joints at sex parties, it has been claimed.



A witness who recognised Brueckner from around the same time as Madeleine disappeared alleges that he exchanged drugs for sex.
Speaking to Portuguese TV station TVI anonymously, she said she recognised him and his distinctive yellow and white VW Camper van.

The parties, nicknamed “Pizza Parties” took place in woods near the hippy village of Barao de Sao Joao a 20-minute drive from his ramshackle farmhouse near Praia da Luz.

The woman said: “It was a sort of payment in kind. He gave the girls weed and other things they wanted and in exchange they gave him sex because they didn’t have money to pay for the drugs.

“That was the way they did things.”

The woman told how he always spoke English and hung around with a lookalike pal.

She added: “I thought the other man was a brother or a friend. Both were tall and both were blond-haired.

“One had blue eyes and the other had green eyes. I thought both of them were English until I found out now one of them was German.

“I always assumed they were English because I always heard them speaking in English.

“I immediately knew the new Madeleine McCann suspect was him when I saw the camper van on TV.

“It was the one he used. The last time I saw him was in 2007 shortly before Madeleine vanished.”

While in Portugal the suspect was imprisoned twice and had only been out from his second sentence five months before Madeleine’s disappearance.

He served two months in Evora Prison in 1999 for a petty offence and a nine-month prison term on the Algarve in 2006 for diesel theft.

He is known to have returned to Portugal following a spell away from the country after Madeleine went missing in May 2007.

He's been linked by local reports to an assault in 2016 and a sex abuse case in 2017 near the town of Silves a short drive inland from Albufeira, where his camper van was seized by police last year.

It's alleged that in 2017 the suspect "confessed" to abducting the girl while in a bar with a friend in Germany.

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A reminder of a comment made by Murat to PJ in May 2007...
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm#p4p985
*snipped*
• States that the locale of Baroes is a locale where potential paedophiles exist interested in abducting children;



Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 05:55:49 PM
Who knew?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8395417/Name-new-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Christian-Brueckner-passed-police-SEVEN-years-ago.html

Name of new Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner was passed to German police SEVEN years ago by an acquaintance who remembered him from Praia da Luiz

https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-police-failed-identify-madeleine-mccann-suspect-2012-report.amp?__twitter_impression=true

UK police failed to identify Madeleine McCann suspect in 2012, Portuguese law official says:

Maybe because there's nothing to link him to Madeleines disappearance.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 06:03:49 PM


Scotland Yard did not open their case until 2013.

In 2012 evidence was still under review.

But the important thing for you to remember is that primacy rests with the Portuguese.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 06:09:22 PM
The biggest known suspect now hasn't even been questioned,how come he's so suspect?

Last night, Braunschweig state prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters told German newspaper BILD: ‘At the moment the criminal suspicion is based on clues. We haven’t interrogated the suspect yet regarding this case.’
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 06:11:07 PM

Scotland Yard did not open their case until 2013.

In 2012 evidence was still under review.

But the important thing for you to remember is that primacy rests with the Portuguese.

So for two yrs OG wouldn't have looked at the list of 600 whittling it down until 2013,what were they doing in the meantime?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 06:12:04 PM
The biggest known suspect now hasn't even been questioned,how come he's so suspect?

Last night, Braunschweig state prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters told German newspaper BILD: ‘At the moment the criminal suspicion is based on clues. We haven’t interrogated the suspect yet regarding this case.’
They haven’t questioned him yet because he has been non-cooperative in all his other police interviews and is unlikely to start spilling any beans now.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 06:12:25 PM

Scotland Yard did not open their case until 2013.

In 2012 evidence was still under review.

But the important thing for you to remember is that primacy rests with the Portuguese.

What about the mccs - weren't they going through files with a fine-tooth comb in case anything missed

AFAICR - didn't they pay for translation of the files out of there money sorry the fund.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 06:14:27 PM
They haven’t questioned him yet because he has been non-cooperative in all his other police interviews and is unlikely to start spilling any beans now.

How do you know that - it is only what you read
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 06:16:09 PM
How do you know that - it is only what you read
I know it because I read it in a report.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 06:17:09 PM
Seems like a blame game is afoot.

At a time, a detective constable named John Hughes from Leicester where the McCann family live, issued an international Interpol alert with a “risk to life missing person” warning demanding Spanish and German police investigate.

https://inews.co.uk/news/witness-madeleine-mccann-german-camper-van-2877292
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 06:18:30 PM
So for two yrs OG wouldn't have looked at the list of 600 whittling it down until 2013,what were they doing in the meantime?

Flying backward and forwards to Portugal it seems - with eventually £12 mill at there disposal and still asking for more
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 06:23:08 PM
This has been raised before: http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11042.465

News article to follow.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 06:27:35 PM
In it they urged those searching for Madeleine to probe links to a German sex offender whose surname was given as “Meissner” but who was known to use aliases.

‘It also said he was linked to other paedophiles - one of whom was named as Frankel.

The memo said the sex-offenders were involved in trafficking.

A source close to the case said these details now take on “huge significance” given the events of the past seven days.

Not least because police in Germany are actively investigating the scenario that Christian B - a known German paedophile - was behind the disappearance of Madeleine.

“This looks like the latest in what is emerging as a string of missed opportunities to properly investigate the case,” the source said’.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 06:33:39 PM
They haven’t questioned him yet because he has been non-cooperative in all his other police interviews and is unlikely to start spilling any beans now.

Yeh,no comment to a question not even asked.The state prosecutor says they haven't even questioned him yet regarding the case.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 06:36:21 PM
In it they urged those searching for Madeleine to probe links to a German sex offender whose surname was given as “Meissner” but who was known to use aliases.

‘It also said he was linked to other paedophiles - one of whom was named as Frankel.

The memo said the sex-offenders were involved in trafficking.

A source close to the case said these details now take on “huge significance” given the events of the past seven days.

Not least because police in Germany are actively investigating the scenario that Christian B - a known German paedophile - was behind the disappearance of Madeleine.

“This looks like the latest in what is emerging as a string of missed opportunities to properly investigate the case,” the source said’.
Where's this from,link please.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 06:37:46 PM
Yeh,no comment to a question not even asked.The state prosecutor says they haven't even questioned him yet regarding the case.
Just carry on pouring ridicule on the latest developments- you obviously need to in order to help you deal with it only time will tell if the police have good reasons for doing what they are doing.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 06:40:00 PM
Yeh,no comment to a question not even asked.The state prosecutor says they haven't even questioned him yet regarding the case.

Of course, if he makes no comment under interview, that mustn't be taken as an indication of guilt, same as it was for Kate.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 06:44:32 PM
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Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 06:53:40 PM
Of course, if he makes no comment under interview, that mustn't be taken as an indication of guilt, same as it was for Kate.
Quite right, however your opinion has always been that Kate giving “no comment” replies was an indicator of guilt so why have you changed your opinion now?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 06:53:56 PM
So for two yrs OG wouldn't have looked at the list of 600 whittling it down until 2013,what were they doing in the meantime?

Looking for evidence to present to the Home Secretary of the time to justify being authorised to start investigating Madeleine's case and for funding to be put in place.

At the time no-one was investigating Madeleine's case except for her parents.

But then I presume you already know all this.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 06:56:14 PM
Quite right, however your opinion has always been that Kate giving “no comment” replies was an indicator of guilt so why have you changed your opinion now?

I haven't. I'm still absolutely certain she dunnit, & no amount of local paedos with phones, jaguars & camper vans is going to change that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 06:58:25 PM
What about the mccs - weren't they going through files with a fine-tooth comb in case anything missed

AFAICR - didn't they pay for translation of the files out of there money sorry the fund.

Kate and Gerry McCann were forced to carry out their own investigations on Madeleine's behalf.  Because no one else was looking for her.

But I presume you already know that.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 07:00:32 PM
Looking for evidence to present to the Home Secretary of the time to justify being authorised to start investigating Madeleine's case and for funding to be put in place.

At the time no-one was investigating Madeleine's case except for her parents.

But then I presume you already know all this.

At the time no-one was investigating Madeleine's case except for her parents.

So how come they missed it. wasn't that what they were supposed to be doing in case anything was missed by PJ
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 07, 2020, 07:01:14 PM
I haven't. I'm still absolutely certain she dunnit, & no amount of local paedos with phones, jaguars & camper vans is going to change that.
So if this suspect gives no comment replies to police questions then he will also be guilty in your view?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 07:01:43 PM
So if this suspect gives no comment replies to police questions then he will also be guilty in your view?

No, because he didn't do it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: faithlilly on June 07, 2020, 07:03:50 PM
Kate and Gerry McCann were forced to carry out their own investigations on Madeleine's behalf.  Because no one else was looking for her.

But I presume you already know that.

Ah yes the investigations. Didn’t one of their own investigators write a report that was scathing of the parents ?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 07:08:19 PM
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Thank you goes with this.

Seems like a blame game is afoot.

At a time, a detective constable named John Hughes from Leicester where the McCann family live, issued an international Interpol alert with a “risk to life missing person” warning demanding Spanish and German police investigate.

https://inews.co.uk/news/witness-madeleine-mccann-german-camper-van-2877292
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Brietta on June 07, 2020, 07:14:33 PM
  (https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ap/A5_5/apenso5_vol_5_p969.jpg)
SLIPPED THE NET? Madeleine McCann cops warned Portuguese police her disappearance may be linked to German-based child-trafficker

Jon Lockett
7 Jun 2020, 18:04

BRITISH police warned Portuguese detectives Madeleine McCann’s disappearance could be linked to a German-based child-trafficker - just days after she vanished.

In the immediate aftermath of her vanishing, the Serious Organised Crime Agency sent an alert marked “urgent” to their counterparts working the case on the Algarve.

n it they urged those searching for Madeleine to probe links to a German sex offender whose surname was given as “Meissner” but who was known to use aliases.

It also said he was linked to other paedophiles - one of whom was named as Frankel.

The memo said the sex-offenders were involved in trafficking.

A source close to the case said these details now take on “huge significance” given the events of the past seven days.

Not least because police in Germany are actively investigating the scenario that Christian B - a known German paedophile - was behind the disappearance of Madeleine.

“This looks like the latest in what is emerging as a string of missed opportunities to properly investigate the case,” the source said.

“It shows that in the immediate aftermath of the disappearance the police in the UK were linking it, straight away, to a ring which led back to Germany.

“This development throws up a lot of questions that need to be answered. Not least who were these men? Were they ever traced? And did they know or have any links to Christian B?

"Even now both of these individuals must be found and spoken to because they could hold vital clues about what happened to Madeleine."

Details of the potential blunder comes amid mounting criticism of the Portuguese police’s handling of the case.

It's been reported that British detectives raised concerns that Madeleine had been spotted with a German man getting into a VW van weeks after she vanished.

We now know this is the make of the vehicle the Madeleine suspect drove.

Files also contain a report by a witness who saw a "strange" man matching Christian B's description loitering in the Praia da Luz resort two weeks before Madeleine was taken.

Another tourist reported seeing a "suspicious man" with a van of the type he drove.  Continued

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11804930/madeleine-cops-warned-german-based-child-trafficker/
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 07:32:36 PM
Yep its a blame game.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11803449/madeleine-mccann-suspect-name-tv-appeal/

ON THE RADAR Madeleine McCann suspect’s name was passed to German cops SEVEN years ago after TV appeal
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: kizzy on June 07, 2020, 07:43:46 PM
SLIPPED THE NET? Madeleine McCann cops warned Portuguese police her disappearance may be linked to German-based child-trafficker

Jon Lockett
7 Jun 2020, 18:04

BRITISH police warned Portuguese detectives Madeleine McCann’s disappearance could be linked to a German-based child-trafficker - just days after she vanished.

In the immediate aftermath of her vanishing, the Serious Organised Crime Agency sent an alert marked “urgent” to their counterparts working the case on the Algarve.

n it they urged those searching for Madeleine to probe links to a German sex offender whose surname was given as “Meissner” but who was known to use aliases.

It also said he was linked to other paedophiles - one of whom was named as Frankel.

The memo said the sex-offenders were involved in trafficking.

A source close to the case said these details now take on “huge significance” given the events of the past seven days.

Not least because police in Germany are actively investigating the scenario that Christian B - a known German paedophile - was behind the disappearance of Madeleine.

“This looks like the latest in what is emerging as a string of missed opportunities to properly investigate the case,” the source said.

“It shows that in the immediate aftermath of the disappearance the police in the UK were linking it, straight away, to a ring which led back to Germany.

“This development throws up a lot of questions that need to be answered. Not least who were these men? Were they ever traced? And did they know or have any links to Christian B?

"Even now both of these individuals must be found and spoken to because they could hold vital clues about what happened to Madeleine."

Details of the potential blunder comes amid mounting criticism of the Portuguese police’s handling of the case.

It's been reported that British detectives raised concerns that Madeleine had been spotted with a German man getting into a VW van weeks after she vanished.

We now know this is the make of the vehicle the Madeleine suspect drove.

Files also contain a report by a witness who saw a "strange" man matching Christian B's description loitering in the Praia da Luz resort two weeks before Madeleine was taken.

Another tourist reported seeing a "suspicious man" with a van of the type he drove.  Continued

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11804930/madeleine-cops-warned-german-based-child-trafficker/

Grey wavy hair -  55to 60 - 5ft 8" - van colour blue ???????
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Lace on June 07, 2020, 07:45:01 PM
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1292470/Madeleine-mccann-gerry-kate-mccann-british-police
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 07:51:53 PM

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1292470/Madeleine-mccann-gerry-kate-mccann-british-police


"It is understood German police were shown photos or video of Maddie's body or given a graphic account of how she died."

Why so vague?

Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 07:53:31 PM
55 to 60 years old  *%87

The German was 30 years old in 2007.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
Must be lots of interesting things some are saying,they're under watch.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: barrier on June 07, 2020, 08:01:12 PM
Martin Smith?

(https://i.imgur.com/CvWzUjb.png)
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 08:06:19 PM
Martin Smith.

(https://i.imgur.com/CvWzUjb.png)

Smithman was just another innocent tourist (who looked like Gerry & did not wish to speak) taking his child to the night creche.

Paedo man, he's our guy now, nobody saw him or his camper van, but he definitely did it.
The German police have proof & they are going to nail that paedo see if they don't.

Shouldn't be much longer now.....
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 08:06:41 PM
"It is understood German police were shown photos or video of Maddie's body or given a graphic account of how she died."

Why so vague?

How can footage or photos exist if OG are still calling it a missing person case?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 07, 2020, 08:07:34 PM
Martin Smith?

(https://i.imgur.com/CvWzUjb.png)

I would say so!
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 08:16:47 PM
Of course, if he makes no comment under interview, that mustn't be taken as an indication of guilt, same as it was for Kate.

You said it.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2020, 08:18:51 PM
You said it.

Indeed I did. How very perceptive of you. Give yourself a gold star.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Eleanor on June 07, 2020, 08:27:20 PM
Indeed I did. How very perceptive of you. Give yourself a gold star.

I've already got that.  What next?
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: Anthro on June 07, 2020, 09:56:34 PM
55 to 60 years old  *%87

The German was 30 years old in 2007.
It has reference to other imprisoned German citizens.
It is in the pj files.
Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
Post by: misty on June 07, 2020, 10:33:10 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8396679/Owner-villa-Madeleine-McCann-murder-suspect-lived-urges-police-search-grounds.html

The owner of a remote villa where the Madeleine McCann murder suspect lived after she disappeared has urged police to search her extensive grounds.

Lia Silva said she would fully cooperate with British and Portuguese police if they suspected the toddler's body could be buried somewhere on her land.

Christian Brueckner stayed at the house in 2007 when it was used as a shelter for troubled children and rented by a German woman called Nicole and partner Roman.

The tall, blue eyed German with piercing blue eyes was seen many times in the area and at the property in the weeks after the three-year-old disappeared.

Its current owner confirmed that she saw Brueckner at the villa on a number of occasions.

In an exclusive interview with MailOnline Silva urged police to search her 5,000 sq m property if they believed the missing child could be buried in the grounds.

She said: 'I just want the parents to get some resolution. If the police want to dig up my grounds they are welcome.

'I am fully expecting them to come here now that they know Brueckner was here. Personally I don't think she can be here.

'The soil is very hard and you'd need a digger or something like that. But if the police want to they can. I will do all I can to help I feel feel so sorry for them and they must be in hell not knowing.'

McCann suspect Christian Brueckner carried a handgun when he was living in the village of Foral, according the residents.

They described the German as 'intimidating' and led to many of the locals avoiding dining at the only restaurant in the village where he would often strut around.

The paedophile worked as a part time waiter at the O Foral restaurant after moving to the village and living in his camper van.

Lia Silva said:' I have been told that when he was here he has a gun that he would always be in a holster around his waist.
'Lots of people were very put off by that and found it very intimidating,

'People would talk about it as it was unusual. Back in 2007 you did not need a licence to carry a gun.'

Silva said she had never seen Brueckner with the firearm and believes it was for effect to bolster his image.

'He like to intimidate people from what I have been told. All the locals would talk about him with the gun as it was so unusual.'   

Silva, who is Portuguese but bizarrely speaks with an Australian accent, said she had never met Brueckner when he stayed at her home.

She discovered the German woman who rented the villa was good friends with Brueckner and he often stayed over.

She said: 'I didn't know his name at the time but he was a very good friend of Nicole. He was an ugly man who always wore a black leather jacket.

'He came here to help her. One of the girls that had been sent from Germany to stay with her ran away to stay with some Romanians a few miles away.

'He found her and brought her back but she was pregnant. I know he would often stay over at the villa as he was good friends with Nicole and her boyfriend Roman.

'I was in dispute with Nicole over non payment of rent and so did not go the the property but my friends would tell me he was there.

'He drove a VW camper van. I was staying with my parents while the villa was rented out. Nicole left owing me thousands.'

Silva now shares the property called Villa Bianca with eight rescue dogs who repeatedly run and jump up at wrought iron gates when people walk past.

At the nearby O Foral restaurant staff said they had not seen any police Involved in the McCann inquiry In the area.

The restaurants former owner spoke German and employed Brueckner on a part time basis as a waiter.

He has since moved away from the area but a neighbour said: ' Those who spoke German would stick together.'

Silva's home is off a dirt track and in as secluded position as the homes Brueckner lived in near the Ptaiz da Luz resort.

The single storey property is in a secluded position with its entrance of a dirt track and fencing topped with three layers of barbed wire.

The garden is overgrown with one car missing its front wheels and resting on bricks. It is surrounded by fields with the nearest neighbour more than 200m away.

Brueckner would park his VW in the car park of the O Foral restaurant where he worked part time as a waiter.

The restaurant changed hands six years ago with the current husband and wife owners unaware of Brueckner.

Residents in Foral, about 40 miles from the resort of Praia da Luz where McCann went missing, were shocked to find their tiny village linked to the paedophile.

A resident, who asked not to be named, said: 'It is awful to think he lived here. This all happened before I moved here but everyone who lived in Portugal knows the McCann story.'
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The man Tasmin Sillence saw twice, staring at 5a, was reportedly "ugly" & wearing a black leather jacket.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm

Concerning the individual, she describes him as being: Caucasian race, light skin, so he wasn't Portuguese, but could be British, according to her criteria. Approximately 180 cm tall, thin complexion, 30/35 years of age. Short hair, like shaved with 1 cm of length and fair, but she isn't sure if it was blonde because the sun was reflecting, and made perception more difficult. She didn't see the eyes because he wore dark glasses of black colour, with a structure of mass, a thick frame. He had a large forehead. Nose of normal size, a bit pointy and sharp. Large ears, close against the head. Mouth with thin lips, she didn't see his teeth. Chin pointing up, which stood out on a face that she describes as sharp. No beard, no moustache, a clean shave. No other special signs, apart from some small pimples on the face as a result of shaving. He looked ugly, even 'disgusting'.

The first time that she saw him he was wearing a sports style jacket of thin black leather, with a zipper and several pockets also with similar zippers, in silver. She saw no label or inscription. The jacket was open, therefore she saw a white t-shirt, with a dark blue label near the waist, which she cannot identify very well.

Trousers, she thinks, of blue jeans, worn out. Sports shoes (trainers) in black and grey, with a wave, maybe 'Nike' in a colour that she can't remember.

The second time, he wore the same jacket, this time zipped up, because the day was colder than the first one, windy. She didn't notice the rest of the clothing. She says that on that day he had a pen with a string attached to one of his pockets.
............

TMS said she would recognise the man again so I wonder if she was shown CB's photograph.

Linked to this report, on ITV news there was some mention of fostering German children at this village property.






Title: Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery dis